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Speaker 2: I open to stuff I never told you production if I

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Speaker 2: heard you, And today we are bringing back a classic

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Speaker 2: a bit earlier than we normally bring them back. But

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Speaker 2: because Samantha and I have been talking about it a

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Speaker 2: ahead and bring it back. And this is one that

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Speaker 2: you did Samantha on the male Loneliness Epidemic, which after

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Speaker 2: we did it, I saw a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Other newer articles being written about it.

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Speaker 2: That happens to us a lot when we research things

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Speaker 2: right right after it comes out, you know, to to

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Speaker 2: people are clearly still talking about it. We're clearly still

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Speaker 2: talking about it, So I thought we might as well

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Speaker 1: Please enjoy. Hey, this is any and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I ever told you a protection

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another Monday Money where I ponder what is

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Speaker 3: happening in the world.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to my social media Oh dear good Book thinks Well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of stuff that always pop

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Speaker 3: up that I've realized that I have not paid attention

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling I'm not the only one, not

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Speaker 3: just on social media, but also just regular media as well.

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Speaker 3: There's this phrase the male loneliness epidemic, which I've already

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Speaker 3: read articles were like, okay, epidemic is being misused here

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Speaker 3: because it's not something that is catchable or like all

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Speaker 3: these things. But there are things happening Again. Maybe it's

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Speaker 3: Lord has released a song something about the man of

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Speaker 3: the year. Let's give it up for this man of

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Speaker 3: the year song or something, and people women specifically have

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Speaker 3: Or her husband or like something bad, like usually really

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Speaker 3: really alarming texts. A lot of them that have to

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not play like some of them that extreme.

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Speaker 3: So obviously with that content, we're not going into abuse

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Speaker 3: So the phrase again, it seems self explanatory. There's a

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Speaker 3: US Surgeon General Vivic Marthy placed a spotlight on America's

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Speaker 3: If we know this could equal this, that could equal that,

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Speaker 3: What's more, men in today's society may view deep relationship

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