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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They called me Ben. We were joined

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Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Paul mission controlled decade.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Another

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Speaker 1: Matt said his name originally kind of in an odd cadence,

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm a jerk. That's so brown town of you,

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Speaker 1: so brownish. So one note in brown note. So have

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Speaker 1: you guys been doing Hey? Great, Ben h I hope

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Speaker 1: you're doing well too. You you were on the Biggest Adventures.

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Speaker 1: We've recorded one episode since you've returned, um, and we

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Speaker 1: do with Mr Dan Harmon That's true. We we did

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Speaker 1: And it was just the whole thing was kind of

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Speaker 1: So it's a weird one. Yeah, it is. It is

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Speaker 1: we're in a situation that, uh, some English teachers would

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, what I'm saying here is the pharmaceutical companies

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Speaker 1: big Farmer could not get away with this alone. They

427
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Speaker 1: would need to have some cronies there with them, some

428
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Speaker 1: people who could get some other things done. They need

429
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Speaker 1: help from. You know, the nonprofits that are out there

430
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Speaker 1: that take in hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not

431
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, Government agencies and other independent researchers who

432
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Speaker 1: were going through and either suppressing the research that's out

433
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Speaker 1: there or you know, covering up various aspects of certain

434
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Speaker 1: diets or cures. Um like. Is it do you guys

435
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Speaker 1: think it is in any way possible that all of

436
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Speaker 1: these different groups could be cooperating so that let's say,

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Speaker 1: US eight million people worldwide die each and every year.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I mean some sort of massive cover

439
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Speaker 1: up conspiracy hedge them on situation will ultimately get if

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Speaker 1: if so, and we're walking through this hypothetically, right, these

441
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: different institutions would have to work together pretty well, right,

442
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: and they would have to have some sort of omerta,

443
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: some sort of brilliantly watertight agreement. And you know that

444
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: number is true if they are actively scheming to in

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00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: some sort of plan that results in eight million people

446
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: dying every year, this comes very close to being in

447
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Speaker 1: a case of medical genocide. Let's be real for a second.

448
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Speaker 1: What do you think the chances are this is actually

449
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Speaker 1: the case? I you know, I'm gonna save it for

450
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Speaker 1: the end. Okay, I'm gonna say I'm gonna save it

451
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: for the ends, because just with that piece, just hypothetically,

452
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: that's a lot of cooperation, you know what I mean.

453
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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this a lot more lately, um,

454
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Speaker 1: since the Harmon thing. Um when when like when can

455
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: you smell a conspiracy? That's probably there's some has some sand.

456
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: It's usually when that level of cooperation benefits all parties.

457
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: Only then are people most likely to keep their mouth shut.

458
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Speaker 1: Who when the cover up is active and you know,

459
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: um necessary to continue to enrich said parties or you know,

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Speaker 1: keep them from getting caught in some kind of collective lie. Yeah,

461
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: and well, you know, pre Epstein I would have been

462
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: much more skeptical about some of these things. In this case, however,

463
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: there is a big elephant in the room, which is,

464
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Speaker 1: let's say it's true. Let's just hypothetically say it's true.

465
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Speaker 1: What happens when one of the conspirators is diagnosed with cancer? Right?

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, do they say, well, for the good or

467
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: the cause? You've got to continue on to stage four, buddy,

468
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: we we can't let people know. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, okay,

469
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: so we did that that survey, right from what two

470
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Speaker 1: thousand six? Right, Well, in two thousand and two, there

471
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: was a guy named Ted Gansler. This comes to us

472
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Speaker 1: from one of our colleagues, author Dave Ruse, writing over

473
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Speaker 1: for house Stuff Works. Uh. Ted Gansler, at the time

474
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Speaker 1: was Strategic director for Pathology Research with the American Cancer Society.

475
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Speaker 1: He edits the Cancer Journal for clinicians. This guy's his

476
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Speaker 1: bona fides, right. He heard this hidden cure, the suppressed

477
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: cure for cancer story so often that in two thousand

478
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Speaker 1: two he conducted a survey about the most common misconceptions

479
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Speaker 1: of cancer, and in this he asked about one thousand

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Speaker 1: Americans if they believed there was a conspiracy to hide

481
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Speaker 1: a cure for cancer. According to Gunsler, the result was

482
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Speaker 1: even more shocking than he had expected. He found again

483
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Speaker 1: this two thousand two that not only lead the twenty

484
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Speaker 1: seven point three percent of the people pulled believe that

485
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Speaker 1: there was a cure for cancer being repressed, but another

486
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Speaker 1: fourteen percent said, I don't know. It seems like something

487
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Speaker 1: they would do, though maybe it happen. That's where that's crazy. Um.

488
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: And again, that's just kind of what we've been talking

489
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Speaker 1: about here. It's in another version of this conspiracy theory,

490
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: or another aspect to it, is that that thought that

491
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Speaker 1: somebody somewhere has a cancer cure and it's being kept

492
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Speaker 1: secret for one reason or another. Well, but to your question, then,

493
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Speaker 1: I mean, if we're staying in the realm of hypotheticals

494
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Speaker 1: and thought experiments, if if one of the members of

495
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Speaker 1: this conspiracy were diagnosed, wouldn't by virtue of being in

496
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: the inner circle, they'd get the cure and they would

497
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Speaker 1: just keep it quiet and they never come out with

498
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Speaker 1: the fact that this person was diagnosed. It would just

499
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Speaker 1: be business as usual. Isn't that sort of the the

500
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Speaker 1: argument we make with the super elite that potentially possessed

501
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: technology that's beyond the reach of uh smear immortals like

502
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: life extension technology and things like and that how it

503
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Speaker 1: would work hypothetically hypothetically. Yeah, But then we also have

504
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: to wonder how to explain the deaths of people who

505
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: are you know, billionaires who expired due to cancer cancer

506
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Speaker 1: related causes? Is that part of the cover up to

507
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: do they really die of something else and they said, okay,

508
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Speaker 1: call it cancer so that the peasants don't know we

509
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Speaker 1: have the cure. Well, they're presumably living on a billionaire

510
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: island somewhere. Yes, Yeah, is Warren Buffett like the only

511
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Speaker 1: billionaire who has a modest ranch style home. He seems

512
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Speaker 1: like he likes to keep it relatively on ostentatious for

513
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Speaker 1: the most part. He spends his money in smart ways

514
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Speaker 1: and not in showy ways. That's a good question, though, Ben,

515
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Let us know if you know a

516
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: modest billionaire who can help illuminate our investigation into the

517
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: idea of a suppressed cancer cure and maybe pump millions,

518
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Speaker 1: if not billions into cancer research, right, Like, oh, you

519
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: know what, great example, David co There died of cancer. Right,

520
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: So here's here's another twist to this story. Not only

521
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: do about one one in three Americans believe that there's

522
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: something fishy here, but there are multiple numerous groups, individuals,

523
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Speaker 1: and institutions who claim not only is there a suppress cure,

524
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Speaker 1: but that they have discovered this cure or a cure.

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Speaker 1: We could do an entire series on the various claims involved,

526
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Speaker 1: but let's take a break for a word from our sponsor,

527
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and we'll look at a

528
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Speaker 1: couple of let's call them notable highlights. Guys, I've got

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Speaker 1: to admit I put this first one in here just

530
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Speaker 1: because I think the guy's name is awesome, all of

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Speaker 1: his claims aside. The name Royal Rife is an amazing name,

532
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: classically good name, so good, somewhere between a news anchor

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Speaker 1: and a porn star perhaps perhaps Yeah, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's one of those names that I would use

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Speaker 1: as a different persona you know, and like an airport

536
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Speaker 1: or a strange city. Royal Raymond Rife, call me roy Royal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only Royal I know is from the

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Speaker 1: fictional Royal Tannin Bounds. His name was Royal, the main

539
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: character played by Gene Hackman. I've never I've never known

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Speaker 1: a person named Royal before. Well, you know, the future

541
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: looms vast and welcoming before us, and the horizon of

542
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: time rushes towards us. Even now you think it's welcoming.

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00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: I find it quite foreboding. I'm you know, I am.

544
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to manifest the secret, even if I don't

545
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Speaker 1: believe in it, the secret secret, the one from the book. Yeah, yeah,

546
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: subsequent film adaptation just gonna think positive. Well, Royal Rife

547
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: certainly was thinking positive when he developed a beam ray.

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Speaker 1: That's in quotation, it's a beam ray. What is it

549
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: a beam or array? It's it's a beam ray. It's

550
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: a beam ray. Um. It's not a weapon. It's a

551
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, a tool to be used to cure certain

552
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: diseases if aimed, you know, in the right place, and

553
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: used correctly. And one of those things that he thought

554
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: he could cure was cancer. And the way it's done

555
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: is through vibrating the cancerous cells. Vibration, essentially is the

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Speaker 1: means by which Royal Rife believed his beam ray could

557
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Speaker 1: cure cancer. Yeah, He built on the work of a

558
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Speaker 1: fellow NYM doctor, Albert Abrams. Abram's thought that every single

559
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: disease had a unique electro magnetic frequency, and these men

560
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: believe that because of that, doctors could kill or treat

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Speaker 1: disease or cancer cells by sending an electrical impulse identical

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Speaker 1: to that cells electromagnetic frequency. This you've heard of this before,

563
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: if you're a longtime listener to this show. This is

564
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: sometimes called radionics. Are a D I O N I

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Speaker 1: C S. It's a It's an fascinating concept, right, if

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Speaker 1: you could isolate just the bad cells and then take

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00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: those out. There's a very similar and and and I

568
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: think if we're heading in the direction, I believe we

569
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: are similarly debunked technology that was using forensics called I

570
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: can't remember the name, but it used radioactive isotopes to

571
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: identify the materials and lead in bullets, and the concept

572
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: was that they all had these distinctly unique signatures per

573
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Speaker 1: specific bullet. But it turns out that wasn't the case

574
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Speaker 1: at all. It would be like the equivalent of picking

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Speaker 1: up a conk shell and saying this is you know,

576
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: this is a unique conk shell, But it would actually

577
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: have a similar signature to like every other conk shell

578
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: that ever existed. So there were folks that were put

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Speaker 1: into prison for a very long time using this technology,

580
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: and then it was debunked and those people were subsequently

581
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: released but couldn't get their lives back. Also true. So

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Speaker 1: we know that Rife, similar to samul Weiss, was certain

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Speaker 1: that the Academy had turned on him, right, and he thought,

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Speaker 1: I am bringing this pioneering cure to the world. I

585
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: don't want to make a ton of money. It's not

586
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: about the money, right, It's about saving lives. There was

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Speaker 1: a San Diego Evening Tribune article that came out about

588
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: Rife in and in this he's it's interesting. He stopped

589
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: short of saying I can cure cancer, but he says

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Speaker 1: I can devitalize disease organisms and living tissue with certain exceptions.

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00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: Sounds like pr to me. Yeah, So he's like, I'm

592
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying this is a panacea for everything.

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Speaker 1: But the problem with his beam rate, similar to the

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Speaker 1: problem with a lot of radionics experiments and a lot

595
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: of orgon experiments, was that people said it could not

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Speaker 1: be independently replicated, and independent researchers then throughout the nineteen

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Speaker 1: fifties discredited Rife. You can see his obituary in the

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Speaker 1: Daily Californian when he passed away at the age of

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Speaker 1: eighty three on August five, nine one uh and according

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Speaker 1: to the Daily Californian, Rife died penniless and convinced that

601
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: there was there was something rotten afoot in the Academy.

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Speaker 1: They published it in the much maligned Disgraced column in

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Speaker 1: the obituaries that day. Wow, whatever happened to the disgraced column?

604
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: And now people it's not PC anymore? Yeah, yeah, I'm

605
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: joking obviously, but it does seem like they don't say

606
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: things like that in people's obituaries anymore. No, they don't

607
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: even say like suicide. They don't say anything about cause

608
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: of death. It's all just the broad strokes of who

609
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: they're you know, who left their left behind and all

610
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: that stuff, which is fine, sure means you gotta do

611
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: your homework a little more. Back in the day used

612
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: to be like everything about about it by the dish

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Speaker 1: from their obituary. Yeah, there was a certain amount of schadenfreud,

614
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 1: and some of those earlier ones I think so too

615
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Speaker 1: better or worse today what do you think oh bits

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00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: in general, I'm gonna say better. Nope, Nope, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say worse. Nope, I'm gonna say neutral. I would say, well,

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Almost all obituaries are now written ahead

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Speaker 1: of time, unless it's you know, if it's a person

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Speaker 1: of note, there's probably an no bit in one at

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Speaker 1: least one major newspaper. If you are a person of note,

622
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, exactly, and then some stuff will be

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Speaker 1: added to it. So I would say it's probably more accurate.

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Speaker 1: Obituaries are probably more accurate for at least people of

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Speaker 1: whatever standing, whatever metric we want to be polished. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The final PR statement, how many times do you think

627
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: they've updated Jimmy Carter's oh bit on file? Multiple? Yeah?

628
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Every time that poor guy takes a fall. There is

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Speaker 1: an editor in chief somewhere who like looks at the

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Speaker 1: USB drive or their dropbox or in my you know,

631
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Speaker 1: in in my head. What what this editor does is

632
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: they they have an alert whenever former President Carter is

633
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Speaker 1: injured or something, and then they look down at their

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Speaker 1: at at the like the bottom third drawer in there,

635
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Speaker 1: of course, in their wooden news desk, and they open

636
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: that bottom drawer just a little bit, and then they

637
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: pull out they pull out the one sheet for the obituary,

638
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: and they read through it to see if they need

639
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: to make any changes. It's probably like a mad libby

640
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: blank space right where they put what actually happened, and

641
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: then they just put it on their desk and they

642
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: wait to see what happens. And then you know, the

643
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, uh, next thing, you know, Jimmy

644
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: is back building houses with habitat for humanity. So with

645
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: a sigh of relief, the editor in chief takes that

646
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: one sheet, they put it back and that third drawer

647
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: and then they pull out Dick Cheney's and put on

648
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: there and they just hope to do a voodoo incantation. Right.

649
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean, it's true that it's true that

650
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: this obituary does not seem particularly forgiving and Rife's case,

651
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: he did blame the lack of recognition on an actual conspiracy.

652
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: He said the A m A, the American Medical Association,

653
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: the Department of Public Health, and other elements of what

654
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: he called organized medicine like that nice dovetail with organized crime.

655
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: He said they had brainwashed and intimidated his colleagues. And

656
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: so he died seeing himself as a new semil Vice

657
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: who was destined to be posthumously acknowledged for his work. Wow.

658
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, I love that we brought it back to

659
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: simil Vice already because that is that is a feeling

660
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: I think no matter, no matter what where the truth

661
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: lies with a lot of these people were going to

662
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: be talking about in these cures. Like we've said before,

663
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: nobody believes their villain, right. I think a lot of

664
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: these people probably believed so deeply in their own version

665
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: of a cure that, um, there was almost maybe again

666
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: a matter if it's true or not, there was magical

667
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: thinking happening, I want to say, um, in the in

668
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: their own belief for their cure. Yeah, yeah, you know,

669
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: And that's that's a fair point and that a lot

670
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: of people might not want to hear, right is, especially

671
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: when you have the sunk cost of spending your entire life,

672
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: entire professional life, trying to pursue this in in what

673
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: is a noble way. We can say Royal Rife at

674
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: the very least was not uh some kind of flim

675
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: flam man. He genuinely believed what he was doing. There.

676
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: There's another example, well, let's go away from a person

677
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: for a second and let's look at an actual substance.

678
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: There's a thing called La trill, which was widely sold

679
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: as a cure for cancer until was banned by the

680
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: f d A. Know, when something is banned by the

681
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: f d A, that gives a lot of fuel to

682
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: the fire for people who believe in suppress medicine, because

683
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: then you can say the FDA banned it, not because

684
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: it didn't work, because it was where king. Yeah, And

685
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the reason for this band was that there had been

686
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: extensive clinical trials in the seventies and throughout the eighties

687
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: that proved it had zero effect on cancer whatsoever except

688
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: the the delightful side effect of giving cyanide poisoning to

689
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: folks who attempted this this remedy that often proved to

690
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: be fatal. So good on you, f d A for

691
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: taking poison off the market, for doing your job and

692
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: way to go. But you can still find it today.

693
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: That's the thing about this substance. It's not sold under

694
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: that name. It's sometimes called amygdalen or vitamin B seventeen,

695
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: and that sounds like a really intense vitamin. It's a

696
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: high class sophisticated vitamin amygdalin is fun yeah, oh yeah,

697
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: like the amygdala. I don't know why. I know amygdala

698
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: is different from me modula oblongata, but I always think

699
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: about that, and I always imagine the professor from water Boy.

700
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: We all to learn about those pieces of the brain,

701
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: and usually in the same day in school. Yeah, I

702
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: think that's it. So funny story about vitamin B seventeen.

703
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: There's no such thing. Oh, there's not a there's not

704
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: a vitamin B seventeen. How many B s are there? Sixteen? No,

705
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Out of twelve? Is that the maximum

706
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: maximum B complex p B peak B. Finally, let's see,

707
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: there's B one, B two, B three. It's definitely B

708
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: six B twelve. I feel like, now we've got the bueller. Oh, no,

709
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: funny thing is it's not completely sequential. Well, there's there's eight.

710
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: You've got B one, B two, B three. Then there's

711
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: no B four. No, it's too funny. They can't. There's

712
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: B six, which is bias NB seven fold eight, and

713
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: then we got no B eight. Was that that too

714
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: funny too? I think so. I think B four and

715
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: B eight are just to arrive B nine and then

716
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: we go all the way to twelve, shoot up to twelve.

717
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: B nine is funny, that would be good. Maybe that

718
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: should have been the one that cured cancer. Cancer B

719
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: nine We got here too late, you know what I mean,

720
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: at least for the naming conventions. We really could have

721
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: done some good with that. We could have whiteboarded the

722
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: heck out of this man. Man. But the problem with this,

723
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: Brian Dunning writes a fairly good summation of this over

724
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: at SKEPTID, is that this B seventeen case is one

725
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: of the only cases we can find of a product

726
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: being banned or suppressed, however you want to describe it

727
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: by f d A, by big pharma. And that's because

728
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: the product did have toxic effects on people. So that's

729
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: a that's a real case of a cancer treatment being

730
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: pulled from the market. It was not pulled from the market,

731
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: the story goes, because it was in any way effectively

732
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: treating cancer. It was just it was more effective at

733
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: giving people sanide poison. There you go, I mean, what

734
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: was the cyanide content of this of this drug? Man?

735
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: They should have known. They're always trying to find new

736
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: uses for cyanide. If it's gonna gets a bad rap,

737
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's the thing. Sanide was the

738
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: original Corn. Everything has corn in it now, and it

739
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: used to be sane. Let's let's go back to um

740
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: k ko are sorry? Yes, yeah, yeah, yes yeah. What's

741
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: that guy's name? Jonathan Davis? He plays the bagpipes and

742
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: has his white boy dreads. I'm actually like working with

743
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: him a little bit, like, you know, in a weird

744
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: tertiary way. Oh cool, you guys, homies. No, but he's

745
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: writing some music for a thing. Oh nice, man, sound

746
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: like it's weird. It sounds just like that, right, who

747
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: does the baselines? Is it still the other Fielding? Yeah?

748
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: He always played his bass like pointing directly. It was

749
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: almost like a cello. Yeah, very slippery, slappitty. So there's

750
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: another guy who is not a member of Corn. His

751
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: name is Stanislav Brasinski. I would have been cool if

752
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: there was a guy in Corn named Stanislav business. He

753
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: got Fieldy head Monkey, Jonathan Davis and stanislavs. Brasinski. Yeah,

754
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy has a story. I think I've

755
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: mentioned this before, but I had a cousin out in

756
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Texas who was working with Stanislav Brasinski like directly with

757
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: the foundation in some kind of respect. But she wanted

758
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: us actually to do an episode on this, but I

759
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of turned it down because she was very adamant

760
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know the position today, but very adamant

761
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: that Stanislav did have the cure for cancer. Yeah. There's

762
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: a documentary about Brasinski um called The Cancer Cover Up,

763
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: which is available for free on YouTube. This is not

764
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: an endorsement, but if you want to learn more about

765
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: the story, I would check that out with the knowledge

766
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: that if you couldn't tell from the title, the documentary

767
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: is very much of the opinion that Brazinsky is actually

768
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: treating cancer with success. Uh. His surfaces in the late

769
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: nineties sixties when he proposes that there is a naturally occurring,

770
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: continuously functioning biochemical system in the body that is different

771
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: and distinct from the immune system, and that this other

772
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: system can correct cancer cells by means of special chemicals

773
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: that reprogram these cells. And this leads him to create

774
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: what is known as the Bersinsky clinic. Yeah, cells that

775
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: in particular, as we have discussed already, the cancer cells,

776
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: that something has gone haywire within their genetics and they're

777
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: just reproducing and in in the inert in weird ways

778
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: and yet reproducing. Basically believe this stuff would stop that

779
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: um turning back into regular cells. So the clinic itself

780
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: that it's called the Brasnsi Clinic. It was founded in

781
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: seventies six and it is in Texas. Um it just

782
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: kind of goes along with my my cousin's story and

783
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: perhaps why she got interested in the first place. And

784
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: it's best known for this controversial therapy known as anti

785
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: neo plaston that sounds a little weird, anti neo plastin um,

786
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: and it was developed by Brasinski in the nineteen seventies.

787
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: Now this is his term anti neo plastin for this

788
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: group of Now get this urine derived peptides, okay, peptide

789
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: derivatives as well as mixtures that Brasinski named to use

790
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: in his cancer treatment, so that those are the the substances,

791
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: the chemicals that would get pumped into you if you

792
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: were undergoing treatment. And the clinic has been the focus

793
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: of some ongoing criticism, mainly because of the way this

794
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: anti neoplastic therapy is promoted, also because of the cost

795
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: for people with cancer participating in in trials and then,

796
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: of course there are some other medical professionals who object

797
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: to the way in which these trials are run. There

798
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: have also been legal cases brought as a result of

799
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: the sale of this therapy because it doesn't have or

800
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: it didn't have approval from the Texas State Board. There

801
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: are also a lot of allegations that the numbers are

802
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 1: being manipulated about successful cases, survivors, how long, what side

803
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: effects there could be. Um, there's a lot of I mean,

804
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: it's what. There's a lot of controversy out there about this,

805
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: and it's certainly worth your time to look into if

806
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: you're interested in this kind of thing. Again, we're not

807
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: trying to make anyone believe in or not believe in

808
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: any of these things. It's just kind of giving you

809
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: what we've found. And it's important to note a examples

810
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: like this. This is just one of many examples, but

811
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: it's important to note this one in particular because it

812
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: is an ongoing case, you know what I mean, It's

813
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: not something from the eighteen hundreds or the nineteen thirties.

814
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: If you go to the website quackwatch dot org, you

815
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: can read a whole bunch about Stanislav Brazinski and the

816
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: treatments and what it's supposed to be happening the claims there.

817
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: There have been several published clinical studies that you can

818
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: actually read parts of in there. We would highly recommend

819
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: it absolutely. There is one other example that we have

820
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: to hit today because many of our fellow listeners wrote

821
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: into us recently about this case. And this case comes

822
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: to us through a through strange avenue. It's the story

823
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: of a man born Alfredo Derrington Bowman, but perhaps better

824
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: known today as Dr Seby. I don't know, guys, I

825
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: don't know why, but my my cadence keeps falling into

826
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: this rod serling thing. Dude, I just was about to

827
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: say that was to us, says doctor Sebut it's always

828
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: been my dream to be that guy you already uh

829
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: tell us about. We actually had a very interesting uh

830
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: and it's funny. It was deja vu for me at

831
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: this point. Matt and I and a ride from l

832
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: a X to our hotel on this last trip we

833
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: all took to l a UM. We got into the

834
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: conversation while we were there and said we had this

835
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: conspiracy open minded critical thing to approached to Conspiracy Theories podcast.

836
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: Just how we tend to phrase it um and he

837
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: asked if we had heard of Dr Seby, and he

838
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: seemed to really stand behind him very much. And I actually,

839
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: funny had a similar conversation with another lift driver years ago,

840
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: and he was like preaching the gospel of Seby to me.

841
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: I had not heard of the guy at all, but

842
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: now now I know a little bit about him. Why

843
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: do you think we're talking about him right now because

844
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: of that? Because of that ride, buddy? So uh no,

845
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: I won't. We'll tell us a little bit about Dr

846
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: se absolutely. This comes from a healthline dot com article

847
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: that describes Dr Seby as a gentleman who claimed that

848
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: his diet could cure everything from AIDS to sickle cell anemia,

849
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: to leukemia and lupus. But he was sued in nine

850
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: three and was ordered to stop making these claims. But

851
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: that is it's not the first time that he had

852
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: to go to court with with these kinds of things.

853
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: But that one is important again, because he had to

854
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: stop saying those things. He absolutely had to stop. He

855
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: was he was required by law to cease promotion of

856
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: his his diet because it's literally what we would call

857
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: maybe a fad diet for all intents and purposes involving

858
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: things like uh um, vegetables, fruits, grains, not seeds, oils

859
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: and herbs, things that he would particularly curate um animal

860
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: products big no no uh and seby basically promote well,

861
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: he was essentially promoting a vegan diet, yes, but along

862
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: with herb like some supplemental or some herbal supplements into

863
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: some other supplements. UM. I would say that they it's

864
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: not that they weren't allowed to continue promoting it, you know,

865
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: or or using this diet or selling this kind of thing.

866
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: It was just that can't make those claims in order

867
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: to promote it. Right. It's the same kind of stuff

868
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: that Alex Jones has got in trouble for, I believe, yeah,

869
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I don't think he's allowed to

870
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: say some of the things that he once said in

871
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: terms of how those things can you know, prevent you

872
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: from getting irradiated or whatever, you know, in the apocalypse. Here's,

873
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: in my opinion, one of the reasons why Dr Saby

874
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: was so successful. It's because the the methodology about why

875
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: these supplements and why this diet worked. It feels really simple,

876
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: and if you're anybody, you can hear someone describe of

877
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: this and say, okay, yeah, I could get that. I

878
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: could get behind that. And the whole concept here is

879
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: that all illness within the human body comes from high

880
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: levels of acidity, which then results in mucus production and

881
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: the mucus depending on what part of the body is ill.

882
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: Let's say you've got a bum elbow or something, and

883
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: you've got some arthritis in there. Um. Dr SEBI's belief

884
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: is that there's mucus build up in there from high acidity,

885
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: and his diet is going to be alkaline and reduce

886
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: the acidity and basically get your body back in harmony,

887
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: and then your mucus will go away and your illness

888
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: will be away away a minute, does this sounds eerily

889
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: familiar to the the medieval uh quackery of humors and

890
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: and flam and mucous spile? It was, It was. It

891
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: was all related to the balance of these bodily fluids. Right,

892
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: is that it certainly comes from an older belief system.

893
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: It does come from an older belief system, but so

894
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: does the medieval belief in humors UH the idea that

895
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: one could be melancholic, Right, I have a great book

896
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: on that. If you guys ever, never mind, never mind,

897
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and read it. The

898
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: illustrations are great. This also yeah, okay, I'll bring it

899
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: in h This is also back when one of the

900
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: forefronts of European medicine was to have people p in

901
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: in glass or transparent beakers and then to hold the

902
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: urine up to the light and guess what was wrong

903
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: with the person based on uh, the interpretations of the

904
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: europe do it like a wine tasting where you switch

905
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: it around. There was some sniffing, for sure. There was

906
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: some sniffing. I don't think. I'm really sorry, and I

907
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: don't know how widespread asparagus was. We do know, just

908
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: not to derail. But not everyone. Not everyone's p will

909
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: smell funny when they eat asparagus. It's true. It's kind

910
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: of like the cilantro thing. Or is it that you

911
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: can't smell it? That's what I'm say. And not everybody

912
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: can smell it. I don't know. Look man, science out

913
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: on that one. Let us know, folks, let us know.

914
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: I know there are several people have listened to this

915
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: show for years wondering when we were going to finally

916
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: address the elephant in the room of asparagus and urine.

917
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: So there you are, folks. That's we finally got around

918
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: to it. There's a there's a brain stuff about that.

919
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: I know, I'm Josh. I think it's a Josh one.

920
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: So let's uh, let's just get back to Seby really fast,

921
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: because a lot of the criticism ends up well, not

922
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the criticism, but there is criticism to

923
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: be uh to be levied at Dr Sebi because the

924
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: claim basically here is that you can you can heal

925
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: yourself from literally anything from AIDS to cancer to whatever

926
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: it is if you follow this diet consistently for the

927
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 1: rest of your life and it will never come back

928
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: and you'll be good to good your medicine. Yes, And

929
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: it's again it's one of the those things where it

930
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: was linked to profit because there was a company. There

931
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: is a company right now that you can go to

932
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: the website for. It's a Dr Seby's Sell Food Dr

933
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: Seby's Sell Food um. It offers supplements meant to quote

934
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: expedite the healing process if you're following along with the diet,

935
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: and you can check this out for yourself at Dr

936
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: Seby's sell Food dot com where he has Nutritional Guide,

937
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: a blog. Um, you know, his whole methodology is his

938
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: is bio and all this stuff, and of course you

939
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: can purchase these things. And I believe the the basic

940
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: pack in question here is what like seven fifty bucks

941
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: Advanced Pack. The Advanced Pack, so you can get in

942
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: for a little You can get in, you know, for

943
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: maybe a couple hundred Yeah, I think there's a couple

944
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: and they're they're like in the two hundred three hundred

945
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: dollar range. But I'm sure if you did research you

946
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: could find independent suppliers of the different substances offered in

947
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: the pack and maybe save money. I'm I haven't done

948
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: the math on it. No. Well, actually, uh, the the

949
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: Advanced Pack is sort of the basic pack. Then there's

950
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: an all inclusive pack that's fifteen hundred dollars. So there's

951
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Advance is the lowest tier. That's the lowest tier of

952
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: like a whole uh collection of stuff, and you can

953
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: buy individual um, you know, remedies or whatever. There's something

954
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: called the Booster Package, which is five seventy five dollars,

955
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: and you can buy you know, individual things from everything

956
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: from bromide plus capsules for thirty bucks to dr Seby's

957
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: blood pressure balance herbal t sixteen bucks. The point here

958
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: is that it's not cheap to get in on this

959
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: kind of diet if you're going to follow it and

960
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: take the supplements provided by the company. However, many people

961
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: will swear that the program has healed the one ailment

962
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: or another. At the time of reporting, as far as

963
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: we could find, no universally acknowledged scientific studies supported these claims.

964
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: They still live squarely in the realm of the anecdote,

965
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: which doesn't make them fall It just means that at

966
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: this point they have not held up to scientific rigor.

967
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that there's no sense to it, because

968
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: clearly some people believe that it has worked now and

969
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right then, But I will say I think

970
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: it's a little unusual and not unusual at all, maybe

971
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: on the nose that the labels on all these products

972
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: literally look like the kind of labels you would have

973
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: seen on the snake oil stuff sold out of carts

974
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: back in the old and the olden days. You know,

975
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: it's like an old font and says doctor sebbe is

976
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: sell food, and like it's got a picture of him

977
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: in the middle, and it's like tooth powder, you know.

978
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's like even the names of them is like, Uh,

979
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: there's something called eye wash and green food. Yeah, I'm

980
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: just too in my opinion, it's as close as you

981
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: can get to making it look like medicine or having

982
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: the mind go to medicine without claiming that it's actually medicine,

983
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: because the FDA will pop you for that. Uh. There's

984
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: also a conspiracy related to Dr sev that extends be

985
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: on his claims um to cure cancer, and that is

986
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: the conspiracy surrounding his passing. Here's how a lot of

987
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: people found out about Dr Seby. It was not through uh,

988
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: seeking cancer treatments. It was through the interest of the

989
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: late MC and activist Nipsey Hustle, whom some of our

990
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: fellow hip hop fans may be familiar with. Hustle, at

991
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: the time of his own death, was reportedly working on

992
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: a documentary about Dr Seby, and we found a quote

993
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: from him where he seems to confirm this. He says,

994
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm working on doing a documentary on the trial in

995
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: ninety in the ninety eighties, and Hustle says, when Dr

996
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: Seby went to trial in New York, it was because

997
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: he published in the newspaper that he had cured AIDS.

998
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: He beat that case, says Nipsey, but nobody talks about it.

999
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: I think the story is important if you look into

1000
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: the case. The way that the events broke down was

1001
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: that he was charged in eight seven with practicing medicine

1002
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: without a license, but he was acquitted because jurors claimed

1003
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: the state had failed to show he made an actual

1004
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: medical diagnosis. Yeah, and and a claim that he was

1005
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: selling the cure necessarily because it was more about diet. Right.

1006
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: And after winning that case in the ninety eighties, he

1007
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: went on to work with various celebrities who believed in

1008
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: his cause. Now, just I'm sure many of us listening

1009
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: know this, but we have to emphasize it. Just because

1010
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: someone happens to be famous does not in any way

1011
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: make them smarter than you. It doesn't make them dumber

1012
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: than you, It doesn't make them special in particular. It

1013
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: just makes them a person, right, And and they probably

1014
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: have a better credit card than you. They probably have

1015
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: a better credit rating. Yeah, shows really heavy slate one.

1016
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: So I didn't say credit rating, I say credit card. Okay, Yeah,

1017
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: what the heft? So people like Michael Jackson, Steven Seagal,

1018
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy, John Travolta, Lisa left Ie Lopez all swore

1019
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: by Dr Seby. Lisa Lopez said, I know a man

1020
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: who's been curing eight since nineteen seven. In her vociferous

1021
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: public support of the guy. But shortly afterwards, she was

1022
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: run off the road and died after leaving Seby's Usha

1023
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: healing village in Honduras. And some people will tell you,

1024
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: people who believe there's more to the story. Uh, they'll

1025
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: tell you that she was also targeted because she had

1026
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: been spreading his healing message. He's also reputed to have

1027
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: worked with Michael Jackson to treat painkiller addiction, and Seby

1028
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: later sued Michael Jackson for almost four hundred grand in

1029
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: unpaid bills and then six hundred something in lost revenue.

1030
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: The case was dismissed in twi and a year later,

1031
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: Dr Seby dies. He's eighty two years old. He's in

1032
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: a jail cell in Honduras. He was a rested for

1033
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: carrying stacks and stacks of cash. Yeah, it was I

1034
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: think thirty something thousand, and like forty fifty something thousand

1035
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: in another case. And uh, he couldn't he couldn't say

1036
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: where it came from. That was the big issue. He's like,

1037
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: I just have this money. And he ended up in

1038
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: jail and then got pneumonia and passed away. Um or

1039
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: was it pneumonia. It's officially pneumonia. But people who believe

1040
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: that the Academy or Big Pharma was suppressing his work

1041
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: will say that he was murdered by the medical industry

1042
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: to again silence his message. Here's the deal, Um, if

1043
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: Big Pharma was going to take out Dr Seby, their

1044
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: best chances were in the eighties probably or prior to

1045
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: the eighties, before it was a big deal, and then

1046
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: they had all the way up to two thousand and

1047
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: sixteen to get the job done. And if they did

1048
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: in fact murder him, Um, just the the amount of

1049
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: time an effort. Um, it just doesn't make sense to me.

1050
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: You're saying they would have known the efficacy of his

1051
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: claims at earlier and then would have acted accordingly, as

1052
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: opposed to wait until he got famous, or maybe they

1053
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: couldn't take him out because he was too hot at

1054
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: the time or whatever. I just I'm trying to game.

1055
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go down the It doesn't feel like

1056
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: he got killed to me, But that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 1: So with with this, what we see is this, these

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Speaker 1: are enormously contentious issues, and there's another conspiracy or a

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Speaker 1: theory that gets ignored, that gets lost in the wash

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Speaker 1: here or in the churn of different narratives, and it's this.

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Speaker 1: It's something that's well, there are two, I would argue

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Speaker 1: both are a little more plausible, and one is disturbing

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Speaker 1: and one is incredibly disturbing. The first is this that

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Speaker 1: there's a huge imbalance between private and public funding of

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Speaker 1: cancer research, and that leads critics to say, know, big

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Speaker 1: Pharma may actually be slowing down the search for a

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Speaker 1: cure to cancer. The conspiracy here is not that it's

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Speaker 1: not that it exists, but that searching for it is

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Speaker 1: being stymy because these are profit driven entities and they

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Speaker 1: focus their money on developing patentable single drug treatments, in

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Speaker 1: getting someone hooked for life on a pill, instead of

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Speaker 1: testing combination therapies or exploring a way to repurpose cheaper

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Speaker 1: generic drugs. And if that's the case, then we're looking

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Speaker 1: at something pretty dispressing. It's less of a of a

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Speaker 1: clever conspiracy by some shadowy cabal, and it's more like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people bumbling for short term profits because

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Speaker 1: the long term stuff just won't deliver what the stockholders want.

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Speaker 1: The other one, and this one we saved to the

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Speaker 1: end because I think it's by far the most frightening. Um,

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Speaker 1: what if there is no conspiracy, What if there just

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Speaker 1: is no cure? What if all these things just don't work.

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Speaker 1: That's a world that people don't want to live in.

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Speaker 1: And if anything, man, I mean that the thing that

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Speaker 1: points to that as being the most believable option is

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Speaker 1: the fact that these billionaires dive cancer. And that's hard

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Speaker 1: to walk away from. That's hard to square if any

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Speaker 1: of this stuff is true. I mean, I suppose you

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Speaker 1: could take the you know, Epstein approach, and you know, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he he died, he's dead, and he died of suicide,

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Speaker 1: and now he's maybe actually secretly living on an island.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps some of these billionaires made it look like they

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Speaker 1: died of cancer when in fact they did receive the

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Speaker 1: care and are now living off the grid. Who knows

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Speaker 1: how we prove it. I don't know. I'm just again

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Speaker 1: thought experiment. Yeah exactly. And that's the thing. So now

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Speaker 1: we we wrap up, and we of course we we

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Speaker 1: don't have an answer, but this is a huge conversation

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Speaker 1: that is going to going to be continuing in some

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Speaker 1: form or another, very very likely for the rest of

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Speaker 1: our lives unless there is some sort of pantacy had discovered.

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Speaker 1: Let's ask ourselves the case for or against conspiracy. So

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Speaker 1: people who argue there is a conspiracy are gonna say

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Speaker 1: that it's a profit motive. There may be some lenthusiast

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Speaker 1: argument and they are saying that cancer helps call the population,

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Speaker 1: but cancer takes a while to kill people when it

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Speaker 1: is fatal. Then there's the the argument against the conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: which also hinges on profit. Why would a profit motivated

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Speaker 1: entity not instantly jump on the ability to be the

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Speaker 1: exclusive source of a cancer cure that is hand over

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Speaker 1: fist money. And it also would allow those people that

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Speaker 1: you cured to then take whatever other drugs that you're

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Speaker 1: selling that they might need in their lives. Right, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And there's one thing for sure as we end today,

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Speaker 1: several of the alternative cancer cures being sold to sick

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Speaker 1: people across this planet are themselves the result of true conspiracies.

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Speaker 1: Their schemes to exploit the desperate hopes of people who

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Speaker 1: are suffering from horrific disease and to take their money

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Speaker 1: without actually helping them at all, and in some cases

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Speaker 1: harming them. If you or a loved when are currently

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Speaker 1: battle in cancer, please do not give up hope, and

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Speaker 1: please please please be vigilant if you choose a certain

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Speaker 1: treatment plan, whether tried and true or relatively unorthodox, consult

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Speaker 1: a medical professional, preferably several if you can, before beginning treatment,

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Speaker 1: and make sure that if something may possibly help you,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't also harm you. That's really great, Ben, it can't.

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Speaker 1: A cancer diagnosis is one of the most terrifying things

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Speaker 1: you can go through. And I think all of us

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Speaker 1: here can see why these treatments have been UM so

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Speaker 1: popular because we just we want to be, like you said, Ben,

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Speaker 1: we want to believe that there's something out there that

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Speaker 1: can help us. UM. So write to us. Let us

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Speaker 1: know if you have been trying something, if it's been

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Speaker 1: working for you or a loved one, let us know, UM,

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Speaker 1: if you've found some things to just completely not work,

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Speaker 1: how you feel about all of these things. UM. If

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Speaker 1: you have, maybe you have an insider perspective on either

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Speaker 1: the medical industry or within of these cures. Just write

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Speaker 1: social media is for the birds, totally get it. You

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Speaker 1: If even if it doesn't go on the air, we're

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Speaker 1: You're the gate keeper. And the key Master. I would say,

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Speaker 1: keep it tight unless you know it's gonna be a

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