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Speaker 1: July second. I'm here in Las Vegas, Nevada. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I got my credential for I went to the fight tonight.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually here t Mobile arenas just beside me here.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 1: the Morning Combat duo. By the way, the other half

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. He is right now doing a CBS Sports

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Speaker 1: He's doing a CBS Sports HQ hit. He will be here.

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Speaker 2: As soon as that hit is done, so we'll get

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Speaker 2: the both of us here in just a minute. But

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Speaker 2: for right now, we are gonna go over all of

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Speaker 2: the results from UFC two seventy six, which just finished

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Speaker 2: moments ago. So if you're joining me, well me and

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Speaker 2: Brian now, I appreciate it. Thumbs up on the video,

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Speaker 2: is Luke sober today?

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Speaker 3: Good news? I am completely.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna get to all the results from the

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Speaker 2: main event, from the co main event, and the entire

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Speaker 2: of the main, entirety of the main.

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Speaker 2: Card, but I do want to save some of that

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Speaker 2: for the extra credit podcast if we can, okay, what

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Speaker 2: to do beyond that? I appreciate you guys tuning in.

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Speaker 2: This was a long one, This was a long week.

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Speaker 2: That was a long event, and I saw that people

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Speaker 2: which tells you a lot about sort of how folks

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Speaker 2: interpreted it as a reminder if you don't want spoilers,

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Speaker 2: now's the time to go. I know you're like, why

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Speaker 2: would you not want spoilers if you're here? But people

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Speaker 2: complain about it because they're crazy, So I have to

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Speaker 2: give that warning. All right, without further ado, Let's get

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Speaker 2: this party started, shall we?

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Speaker 3: Oops? Ooops sing? Here we go?

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Speaker 4: All right, here we are, okay, let's see da dad.

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Speaker 3: Well we're try. Sorry my bad. All right.

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Speaker 2: I hope everything looks good. I think it does. I

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Speaker 2: in stone. All right, let's go to the results and again.

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell will join us here in just a few moments.

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Speaker 2: If we pull them up. Israel Adessaigne I'd assigned it,

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Speaker 2: however he would like.

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Speaker 4: To pronounce it. He remained your UFC middle A champion.

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Speaker 2: With scores of fifty forty five, forty nine forty six,

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Speaker 2: Could see a case for forty eight forty seven, although

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Speaker 2: that would be very generous. I don't know how accurate

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Speaker 2: that would be. But the problem was the fight was

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Speaker 2: not great. It was not a great fight. It was

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Speaker 2: not particularly entertaining, it was not particularly scintillating. And the

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Speaker 2: first thing the champion said when he was interviewed by

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Speaker 2: Joe Rogan postfight was that he and his team did

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Speaker 2: a really good job of not letting him up having

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Speaker 2: kind of volley of strikes, and they weren't at anyway,

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Speaker 2: when they were pressed up against the fence, cannoneir would

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Speaker 2: but there wasn't really any volleying. Now, there were some

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Speaker 2: good parts in either direction. To an extent, for Izzy,

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Speaker 2: I thought that his jab was pumping pretty well through

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Speaker 2: certain stretches of the fight. I talk about this all

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Speaker 2: the time. It drives the fans crazy, and I understand it.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't take it away, he's gonna win. Namely,

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Speaker 2: point are his jab in a sense like a boxer

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Speaker 2: Right, we go back. I bring this up all the time.

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Speaker 2: Blahovic fight. Yes, later in the fight the wrestling played

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Speaker 2: that fight was a very different one. By the way,

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Speaker 2: didn't see that from cannonear.

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Speaker 2: Landed a little bit, the lay kicks were landing pretty

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Speaker 2: Let's look up some of the numbers on what the

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Speaker 2: round one twenty two to eighteen, in round two twenty

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Speaker 2: Round four twenty four to sixteen for Isy and then

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was totally out of the fight, right.

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Speaker 2: There was never a point where you were like, well,

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Speaker 2: Kennony or can't win this's except if you just sort

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Speaker 2: of assessed that he didn't have the technical skill or whatever.

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Speaker 2: feel that, but he never marched past a certain limit.

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Speaker 2: He never marched through anything. He never really turned any

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Speaker 2: which again he largely did, if he can largely pick

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Speaker 2: You know, that's his fight to lose at that point.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we look at the targeting, I think this

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Speaker 2: percent of the head, that makes sense, twenty two percent

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Speaker 2: and twenty four percent of the leg. But the number

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Speaker 2: The number that I want to see is to what

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Speaker 2: extent Cannoneer did targeting of the leg round one eleven

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Speaker 2: In fact, he landed more leg significant strikes than I

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Speaker 2: This was not These are not like terrible numbers by

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Speaker 2: any stretch. These are not even bad numbers by any stretch.

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Speaker 2: Nothing about this was bad except for if you're a fan,

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Speaker 2: probably the entertainment quotient, because the fight itself just kind

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Speaker 2: of hummed along, right. It never really had a whole

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Speaker 2: It didn't have any peaks and troughs, but the fight

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Speaker 2: just was kind of ho hum. It just kind of

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Speaker 2: marched along. Is he had a gap basically on Kenonyar,

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Speaker 2: both in terms of overall ability and the capacity to

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Speaker 2: land more numerically.

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Speaker 3: And that's really what it was.

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Speaker 2: That there wasn't much There wasn't much more to it

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Speaker 2: than that. Candidly, and you guys know, I'm a big listen.

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge supporter of Izzy. I you know, I

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Speaker 2: make noble. I don't hide the fact that I think

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Speaker 2: quite highly of his game. I don't hide the fact

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Speaker 2: that I've thought very highly of what he has accomplished.

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Speaker 3: To this point.

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Speaker 2: He has done extremely well in the middleweight division. He

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Speaker 2: has been dominant in a whole lot of ways. On

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Speaker 2: the other hand, Richard Mann from Fight Metric has a newsletter.

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Speaker 2: I always recommend it and he puts it out I

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Speaker 2: don't know, usually every Wednesday of every week. And one

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Speaker 4: Put it on me, baby, Okay, let's do it, all right, Greg?

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Speaker 4: Can you hear him?

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Speaker 5: Hq uh, sweaty quick? And I got the job done.

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Speaker 5: It is in this city. But how deep are you

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Speaker 5: I also thought Cannonier would take more chances. And I'm

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Speaker 5: Luke and I know there was some booze, but I

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Speaker 5: don't look at this as a as a knock. There

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Speaker 5: I got no knock here because Cannoneer stayed dangerous until

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Speaker 4: It did nothing.

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Speaker 2: Though this was a time how many did you give

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Speaker 2: to Cannoneir? The clear round was? Round three? Are clear

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Speaker 5: You know, you and I were talking when there was

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Speaker 5: it's pretty damn even. You know, I think Canonir did enough.

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Speaker 5: But you know, you look at the stats in real time,

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Speaker 3: I don't ever believe those They're not correct.

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Speaker 4: That cage is not that octagon that's smart at all.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't call it luber four.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but look, what do you want me to

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Speaker 2: One thing I'm bringing up and I brought this up

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Speaker 2: this fight Metric newsletter and one thing he had pointed

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Speaker 2: I think a couple of things, and maybe it's all

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Speaker 2: these things together and it's right. One is these guys

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Speaker 2: are game planning better for Izzy. The tape on him,

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Speaker 2: I said as before, like there's a shitload of tape

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Speaker 2: on Izzy. And if you come from a good team

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Speaker 2: like MMA Lab dude, and what did we say before

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Speaker 2: I don't know if if Cannonyar is gonna win. He

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Speaker 2: is going to have a good game plan. Maybe not

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Speaker 2: a winning game plan, but a game plan, a good

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Speaker 3: And I think you saw that.

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Speaker 2: The other one is I don't know if the argument

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Speaker 2: where he yet has another title defense, it sounds kind

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Speaker 2: of crazy to say the gap is narrowing. But the

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Speaker 2: his UFC campaign he is not enjoying, for whatever reason

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Speaker 2: you want to put that up to, he is not

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Speaker 4: To what do you attribute him?

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Speaker 5: You know, some of that is people learning their lesson.

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Speaker 5: You know, you start watching the tapes of the people

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Speaker 5: that did come at him. He watched the tapes of

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Speaker 4: How do you typically win rounds? I mean, obviously, you

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Speaker 4: know if you.

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Speaker 5: Land the bigger shots, but a lot of times to

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Speaker 5: this guy, he's gonna match that, and he's gonna sting

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Speaker 5: you with shots. So you know, there is a little

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: No is the answer.

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Speaker 4: It's like, how much damn can you put him on him?

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you, do you believe that Cannon here,

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Speaker 5: who I think has his boxing, his defense's head moved.

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Speaker 5: I always thought was criminally underrated. I thought the last

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Speaker 4: Did that become at all a flaw rather than something that.

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Speaker 5: Helped him because he tried to open up offense, but

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Speaker 4: He needed to be reckless to win this fight two

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Speaker 2: He needed to take more risks to win this fight

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Speaker 2: start to finish, right.

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Speaker 5: Had to be moments where he was going to command

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Speaker 4: For the most part, I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like I often wonder when these guys are fighting,

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Speaker 2: coming up, and you're a a Again, there was not

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Speaker 2: And it always sometimes seems like these guys, it's so

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Speaker 2: easier for me to say this, and I'm not in

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Speaker 2: they realize the fight is lost and they want to

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Speaker 2: just turn in a commendable performance, like I didn't get

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Speaker 2: they're available, but also that the risk is that you

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Speaker 2: slept and they're like, I went four rounds with this

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Speaker 3: Do I want to give all of that away?

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Speaker 2: I think that's sort of the thing that I wonder

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Speaker 4: Though it is all part of I had an idea

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that road got closed, and I quickly realized by

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Speaker 5: that you know, if I disobey, I'm gonna get stopped.

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Speaker 5: So you don't lose heart and give up and start

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Speaker 5: circling backwards. If you're if you're elite and tough, and

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Speaker 5: Jared Kennedy has proven that he's both. But when he

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Speaker 5: can't even find that the first crumbs of success outside

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Speaker 4: Right, that's second half a round four, it was clear

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Speaker 2: To bed, and also round three was his best round.

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Speaker 2: That was the time to pick it up right there

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Speaker 2: by the way, Mikey, will you got onto the stream?

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Speaker 3: Everything good?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: All right, because you guys are looking real concern back there,

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Speaker 3: Well we do.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't look like a hostage video right now. It

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Speaker 4: does look like a hot Yeah. Should we should we

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Speaker 4: tell our families we love them?

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Speaker 5: I mean, should we just stop the analysis and you

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Speaker 5: can apologize for yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Luke? I'm sorry, you know I love you.

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Speaker 5: You're still wearing your badge.

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Speaker 3: I don't give a ship who cares?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about the fans walking out before or like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't get that in this case because cannoneir

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Speaker 5: they can do what they want. The booing to me, like,

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is a booable performance Atasanya also

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Speaker 4: This is not a guy you can f with.

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Speaker 5: But part of me leaning toward that prediction was the

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Speaker 5: I was starting to buy into that belief and against Cannoneir.

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Speaker 5: You can be lulled, I think at times into thinking

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Speaker 4: That guy was willing to take big time damage.

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Speaker 5: He's willing to just be patient and sit through that

438
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 5: in ways that sometimes they're inhumane to land that big shot.

439
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,360
Speaker 4: At Sonia knew of the danger in there. I thought

440
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,640
Speaker 4: he was offensive enough. I really don't have a problem

441
00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:58,840
Speaker 4: with that.

442
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 2: No, I don't have much of a problem with it either,

443
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,680
Speaker 2: although again it's not like this is I'm not sure

444
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,919
Speaker 2: how to couch or explain this criticism and exactly.

445
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 4: But the answers in the vape sticking. It always is

446
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 4: in the vape stick.

447
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 2: But I'm being dead serious, which is to say, it's like,

448
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,680
Speaker 2: what can we say critically about Izzy's performance? He is

449
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 2: it's extremely difficult to pick the lock, to find a

450
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 2: clear opening on him, to consistently land on him. On

451
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 2: the other hand, these guys have kind of figured out

452
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 2: just enough to stay close to him without ever turning

453
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 2: a corner, and it makes for less than desirable action,

454
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 2: I think for the fans, I think that is a

455
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 2: thing that we're seeing. It reminds me a little bit

456
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 2: of John Jones toward the end of his light heavyweight run,

457
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,679
Speaker 2: where he would have just and then those fights were

458
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 2: a lot of different and they would kind of open

459
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: up in different ways, but there was so much tape

460
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: on John. There was so many things he could do,

461
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: but guys would game plan around it, and he would

462
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 2: kind of just be reserved by virtue of the things

463
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: they were showing him, but he was still just enough

464
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 2: better than them that they couldn't overcome that.

465
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 4: It feels a little bit like that, is that a

466
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 4: fair assessment.

467
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 5: That's a decently fair assessment.

468
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 4: It's but like, look, you would you agree Cannon here

469
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 4: did show really good defense and head movement.

470
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 5: He sure did to not be in a situation where

471
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 5: it looked like he was on the verge of getting

472
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 5: dropped and taken.

473
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 2: He didn't get dropped. I didn't see him WinCE. I

474
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,400
Speaker 2: mean his eye got his right eye got a little

475
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 2: I don't know there was an eyepoke.

476
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: There was an eye poke.

477
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 5: But I don't say that for us to give him praise,

478
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 5: because again, if you felt like he didn't take enough

479
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,479
Speaker 5: risk giving that a thirty eight, is he getting back

480
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 5: to this title shot?

481
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: You know, you'd say unlikely. You never know, because that's

482
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 2: like me, that's the thing. Okay, So that's difference with

483
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: a Tory the toys still in his twenties. So if

484
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: he if he can't get there, well, partly he's not

485
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 2: fully developed. That part is he's got time left, dude,

486
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: time is up for cannoneir So, so.

487
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 4: I think because he's getting pieced up.

488
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 5: I mean when you're getting pieced up and you start

489
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 5: to feel like I could go, that triggers a lot

490
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 5: of fight or flight in people, and they just go

491
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 5: for it. Cannon near again. I think his defense in

492
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 5: his head movement in some of the counter strikes once

493
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 5: in a while he was hitting it gave him a

494
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 5: false sense of confident into security that he was closer

495
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 5: than he was to cross in that line, and he

496
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 5: really wasn't.

497
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 4: In the end.

498
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 5: Because if you're gonna say, I don't know how you

499
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 5: put in exactly into words, how great is he is,

500
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 5: but he's now showing him he can go close to

501
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 5: that flame and not get burned.

502
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he is.

503
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: He was not afraid to be fighting at a distance

504
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 5: that you would think in theory, you don't want to

505
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 5: be there With Jared Kennedy.

506
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: I would to say this fight, relative to some of

507
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: the previous ones, a little bit more successful boxing from

508
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Izzy for example, against Romero, you hardly saw any of

509
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: that and the leg kicking, although you saw much more

510
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: of the leg kicking again, but guys are learning from this,

511
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 2: they're kind of taking things away from it. But still

512
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: he is to have this much tape on him, to

513
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 2: have guys this much game plan for him, and for

514
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: him to still have that edge in the division, it

515
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 2: is remarkable.

516
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 4: It is very difficult to do. However, crowd pleasing it might.

517
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: Be fine, certainly, I'm not here to tell you have

518
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: to like things you don't like, But how difficult it

519
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: is to pull off what he does is extreme.

520
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 5: I mean different of the rare people that have had

521
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 5: success against him. Gasolin took chances, and I think he

522
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 5: was a little bit more explosive than is he thought

523
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 5: that was an earlier version of and look and they

524
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 5: went to sorry, no, I'm not farting. I thought you

525
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 5: were lifting.

526
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: I mean that would have been.

527
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 3: Yesterday was my fa Today is not my faral day.

528
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 5: Wow round Burgundy, all right, but you know, you know,

529
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 5: and it became a war and it was what it was.

530
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 5: But Gaslam also had to take back heavy damage and

531
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 5: be willing to do that. But I'm in the midst

532
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 5: of this point though, when also though, we did see

533
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,479
Speaker 5: Izzy become safe and defensive against you all Vermero when

534
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 5: he got hit in the first round, but he never

535
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 5: really repeated that, so it's hard to look at that

536
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 5: as a trend. And then look when Yan was able

537
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 5: to land the big jab in the league kicks, you

538
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 5: saw Izzy slow down. Jared Cannoneer never put Izzy in

539
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: a spot where he was going to slow down his

540
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 5: offense out of fear.

541
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 4: And that's really the biggest thing.

542
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 5: I think negatively can say it's Cannoneer because at least

543
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 5: gastolom And and certainly Yon they were more offensive. Cannonear,

544
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 5: I think, wasted two rounds trying to figure Izzy out

545
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 5: and trying to get close with counter shots. At some

546
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 5: point you do have to let things go offensively, not

547
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 5: just from a counter standpoint. Now from a defensive standpoint,

548
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 5: you need to take the fight to him. Kar never

549
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 5: tried to take the fight to him until.

550
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: It was too late.

551
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: Interesting, I'm looking at the numbers here in terms of targeting.

552
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: Adasania Adessina whatever targeted Vittori and Whittaker to the leg

553
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: much more than he did against Cannonear thirty six and

554
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: forty two percent, respectively.

555
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: Cannon Air just twenty five percent.

556
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 2: Sort of tells you the boxing took the pressure off

557
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: of Busy I think to rely on the leg kicks

558
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: as much or to focus on them as much as

559
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: he did, so his offense was a little bit more varied,

560
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: but still twenty five percent is really high.

561
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what the USC standar would be.

562
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: This is not GSP trying to try to just wrestle

563
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 5: from top position in neutralizing. This is really I'm so

564
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 5: glad you brought that upca Sonya predicted you know, I'm

565
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 5: gonna f this guy up and said all that.

566
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 4: It doesn't It didn't mean in the.

567
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 5: End he was gonna be reckless.

568
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 4: But again, he stood so close to Canoneir and was.

569
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 5: Comfortable with that different distance that he's basically saying, bring

570
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 5: your offense to me, and I'm gonna end you by countering,

571
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 5: and like he's so comfortable in the storm. Yes, that

572
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 5: that's why I think you hold back any criticism and

573
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 5: instead you say, Okay, somebody's gonna take a chance.

574
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: You have to take a chance. You look them up

575
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 4: at the lights.

576
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: You have to do that.

577
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: I think that's right. But I'm glad you about GSP.

578
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: It does seem to be the case that when champions

579
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: and everyone's going to have a different number for it. Obviously,

580
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: say Pier had a significant amount of title defenses and

581
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: Anderson lost his. You know this terrible Chris Wideman knockout

582
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: right and I want to say terrible. I mean, you know,

583
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: it's like a bad thing for him. But there are

584
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: these champions that kind of hold on for a pretty

585
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: long time. Jones now him. It's GSP when they kind

586
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: of get into that settled in multi title defense stage.

587
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: Of their career.

588
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: And again, Jones is very different in many ways and

589
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: so is GSP. But they kind of get to a

590
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: point where they still have the lead on the division.

591
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: The guys can do things to make it interesting, but

592
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: they can't quite cross over the hump unless the guys

593
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: stick around the division too long, where it's case like

594
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: Demetris Johnson lost or whatever. But you see this kind

595
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: of evening out of like they have this dramatic rise,

596
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: then they kind of hold that title, and then they

597
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: have these performances that are you know, obviously too difficult

598
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: for their contemporaries to deal with. But they're not these

599
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: remarkable flashes that you saw early in their career. Obviously

600
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: they were fighting lesser opposition at those times. But I'm

601
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: just saying, do you not notice similar patterns in that way?

602
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: I think is he's in the midst of that a

603
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: little bit.

604
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: What does experience give you at that level? It gives

605
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 4: you an ability to know how to win close rounds.

606
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 5: John Jones was great at knowing how and some of

607
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 5: that some of knowing how to win close rounds is

608
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 5: not taking a big offense in return and having great

609
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 5: defense amid the fire, and obviously John Jones was somebody

610
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: who could also fight in the fire and still come forward.

611
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: I think he's is he.

612
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: Wasn't even breathing through his mouth though by round five,

613
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: even by round five he was breathing through his nose.

614
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: And I think some fans are gonna look at that

615
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: and say, look, dude, you didn't take hardly any damage.

616
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you know some of those like kicks

617
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: were hard and yes, skin and ears a threat, of course,

618
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: but you're not tired.

619
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: You didn't get beat up. Why was there not more

620
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 4: on your end?

621
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: Now?

622
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: Of course, if you're easy, you're gonna be like, well, listen,

623
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm the champion's the challenger.

624
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: He's got to take a So the challenger is dangerous

625
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: as shit.

626
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: But I think what's left is that, like, in either

627
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: way you want to look at it, could more have

628
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: been done, at least in theory. Yes, But dude, I've

629
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: often said this too, is he doesn't make stupid fucking decisions.

630
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: He never makes stupid fucking decisions. And as a consequence,

631
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: that doesn't lead to a high enertainic ootion all the time,

632
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 2: least in this later stage of his career whatever.

633
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: But it leads to w's you're.

634
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: Gonna try to survive in advance.

635
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: This is the opponent to do it too.

636
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: But you know, back to something I was trying to

637
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 4: touch on but it was a puppy that lost his way,

638
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: is that you know industry, right technology, you know, you

639
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: know that whole bit. The whole point is this.

640
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 5: When I mentioned how Gasoline and Blohovich had success, they

641
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 5: used offense to set up the success. They used entry

642
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 5: type points, kicks, jabs like there just wasn't there. Cannoneer

643
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 5: was just set trying to settle for one shot that

644
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 5: would turn the tide. You're not gonna do that against

645
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 5: is You have to make is he trade with you.

646
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 5: You have to make Isy's output go down by the

647
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 5: danger you bring. There's a lot of things you have

648
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: to do. None of it is easy. Gastolin was willing

649
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 5: to lean on his chin and take big chances, and

650
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: it worked for him for a lot. But you've never

651
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: seen Iszzy in a fight like that again. And I

652
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 5: think there's a reason he proved, you know. I mean

653
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 5: that by the way, I do think one thing about Izzy.

654
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: He doesn't get the respect for the opening of round

655
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 5: five against Gaslom when he's you know, like I'm prepared

656
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 5: to die. I'm prepared, Like that was this turning point,

657
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 5: Like oh shit, I'm also a little warrior at this level.

658
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: So if anyone wants to take me to that point,

659
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: this is what's gonna happen.

660
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: He's nasty, and I think that fight plays a significant

661
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: role in Izzy's decision making because I've said it before. Obviously,

662
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: he lost to Bohovich, and you know, you've seen some

663
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: big punches landing from Whittaker and stuff, but that was

664
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: the last time you saw.

665
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: Is he hurt.

666
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: You haven't seen him hurt since the Gastoline fight. And

667
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to come. He went to

668
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: that place and that fifth round that he had against Gasolom.

669
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: You were there in Atlanta, Dude, that was fucking epic.

670
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to do that shit again

671
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: if he doesn't have to.

672
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: He's basically telling people, take me to that place. That's

673
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: what he did by standing that close to Canada. Take

674
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 5: me there.

675
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be easy for You're probably not going

676
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 4: to get there. Canaander didn't take that bait. He took

677
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: his swing.

678
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 5: It was better than Lord Murphy again. Shiftchenko though, I'll

679
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: tell you that much. In terms of game planning, and

680
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 5: you shouldn't strategy.

681
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, they can't all be winners, can they.

682
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: It's like our Friday Show.

683
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: They can't both represent in Alaska?

684
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: Though, Oh that's right, all right, so, dude, that fight

685
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: didn't really blow up the fans' attention, but we got

686
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: to talk about that Comaine.

687
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: So let's read the decision.

688
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: Officially, Alexander Volkanowski retains his title defeating Max Holloway dude

689
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: fifty forty five fifty forty five, fifty forty five. And

690
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 2: here's what I'll say about this, and there's a lot

691
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: to say.

692
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: Abc uh.

693
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: By far the least competitive bout of the trilogy, Volkanovsky

694
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: has a claim in my judgment as you can say

695
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you want about pound for pound, that's

696
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: your best fighter in the sport.

697
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: Everyone else can eat shit. That's the very best fighter

698
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: in the sport.

699
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: Damn.

700
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: I just said the same thing on HQ without any

701
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: of these you really is you know.

702
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 5: They said, look, you know you've got a close, strong

703
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 5: guy code fifteen seconds, give us, give us what you

704
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 5: your biggest takeaway from there? And I was like, look,

705
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 5: I loved me some Oosemina loved me out of Sonia.

706
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 5: Nobody fucking does that to Max Holloway, dude. And he

707
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 5: was already in ten tense close rounds with Holloway and

708
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: he just beat the This is not a disrespect but

709
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm saying it. He beat the piss

710
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: on a Max home.

711
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: And I can't believe I said this to it. I

712
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: said this, we were watching it. You can tell the

713
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: audience the truth. I don't care who wins or loses,

714
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: but the way Max loss kind of broke my heart

715
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: a little bit. I don't care that he lost the

716
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: better man once a night, just no argument. He didn't

717
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: knock Max down, and he didn't stop him, obviously, but

718
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: he beat Max in so thoroughly.

719
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: I don't even know what else to say it.

720
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: Max was definitely flat, though we do have to just

721
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 5: address that. He came out flat. There was no Christmas.

722
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: The speed difference was massive. Ye I'm gonna say eighty

723
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 5: percent Volcanowski of course. In the end, I mean, look,

724
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 5: I hate to there's certain superlatives I hate to use

725
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: because you got to leave something up there in the

726
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: just In kid like this was virtuos. I'm the fucking

727
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 5: Jimmy Hendrix. I mean, it was just like, holy shit.

728
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 5: So I want to go back to something I tried

729
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 5: to say in the live show yesterday, but you were like, yo, BC,

730
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: fuck you remember that?

731
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, some people had a good time with that.

732
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: They did. The people there, people there, their audience at

733
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: home hated it.

734
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 5: But here's the thing I said, Look, don't discount how

735
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 5: he fought Volkanovski against Korean Zombie the way everybody is Max.

736
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: Everybody's saying, look, great performance, but we expect that it's

737
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: a different level against TKZ and it is.

738
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: But the intention, dude, the intention.

739
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 5: This was a Volkanowski who needed something to fire himself up.

740
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 5: So we took the fact that Max was talking trash.

741
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 5: He took the fact that you know, you're in max

742
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: Territory nine Island, they're gonna be cheering for the US

743
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 5: guy against you know, the.

744
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: Foreign pirate here. But look, he kept that shit on

745
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: his shoulder.

746
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. He put it, he loved

747
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 5: it on his shoulder. He came out even talking to

748
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 5: the camera on the walk about how good Australia is

749
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: and boom me all you want. And then he came

750
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: out there and fought against Max with the same intention

751
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: of like I'm gonna piss on you like he did

752
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: against Korean Zombie.

753
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: Now it blew us away that he had that success.

754
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: But he was crisper, faster, more powerful by far than

755
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 5: the guy he was against Max, who used brilliant footwork, combinations,

756
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 5: leg strikes and darting in and out to you know,

757
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: do his wizard chest moves, and it was amazing. It's

758
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 5: a totally different, evolved guy where when we both look

759
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 5: in at the camera and say, yeah, I love me

760
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 5: some mouseman. But you know, he was he was life

761
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: or death against Colby and then was you know, one

762
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: a close fight against Colby, and like Alex is widening

763
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: the gap on everyone.

764
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: But it's best.

765
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: Illustrated by what he did tonight because like Max wasn't

766
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: even in this fight for a second, Luke, And when

767
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: Max showed a little bit of life that one round

768
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 5: there was a round.

769
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: Three or four, maybe it was one of the takedowns.

770
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 5: Around five, Alex just shut the door, closed strong and

771
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 5: they came out in round five, opened the cut again

772
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: and just butchered him.

773
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: And you haven't seen It's not like I thought Alex

774
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: Elks was never not offensive.

775
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 5: Watched the Josie all the fight, right, watch them mendus

776
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: fight like he's always been offensive. But I just haven't

777
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 5: seen this intention to sit down on the shots and

778
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 5: load up and dude, it wasn't one thing.

779
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 4: It wasn't just the power, just the speed. I mean,

780
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: it was everything.

781
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: There's one thing that people aren't really picking up on. Again,

782
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: I'd have to rewatch it maybe forty eight more times.

783
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, you wasn't fainting.

784
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: All that much Volkanovski.

785
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Now there was some obviously plenty of stan switching, don't

786
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: get me wrong, But dude, relative to the first fight

787
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: or even the second fight, he was kind of, again

788
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: relatively speaking, flat footed, and he beat the shit out

789
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: of Max.

790
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: Dude.

791
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: That was punishing to watch. The right hand that split

792
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: him open. Max's face was fucked up. The other there

793
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: was a cut over one eye. I think it was

794
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: the left eye. The right eye was swollen shut. They

795
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 2: didn't even interview Max afterwards. Dude, that was as thorough

796
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: a closing of the book on that rivalry as Again,

797
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: now you could possibly not knockout would have been the

798
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: most thorough thing.

799
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: But like you know, in the first two fights, it

800
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: was like, well, how was the scoring, bah blah blah blah.

801
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: Dude, this fight was over. It was just arithmetic.

802
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: I mean it was. There was not a single close round.

803
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: There wasn't really a single close moment, a couple of

804
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: these and strikes Max ad a few different ways. I

805
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: will say I didn't understand Max's strategy all that much.

806
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: He what was the first thing I said when they

807
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: started up. I was like, dude, he's so squared up.

808
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: He's presenting a bigger target to Volkanovsky, and he's hunkered

809
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: down a little bit although his feeder closer. It almost

810
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: like he was trying to bring in some of the

811
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: strategy from the first and second fight and get the

812
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: best of both worlds, and Volkanovsky just no sold all.

813
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: Of that shit. He had no answer at any point

814
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: for what he was doing.

815
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 5: I do think Max has certainly evolved much better than

816
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 5: the two of them since their first and second fight,

817
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 5: and I do agree with what I said earlier that

818
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 5: he's just he's now being more dangerous with his offense.

819
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: I mean, he's just getting completely well rounded. But the

820
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: gap in speed was wide this time around, so it's like,

821
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: so so let me. I'm not saying that. It's like

822
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: I want to give all the praise that he deserves.

823
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 5: And I also just said I think he got he

824
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 5: was the one that got better Max, even though he

825
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 5: had the amazing performance against Cater The mileage is such

826
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 5: a difference. Alex is three years older, but the mileage

827
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: difference is huge in that regard. I'm wondering now, in hindsight,

828
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: if that great fight against Year were coming out of it,

829
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: We're like, did Max do great because he wanted or

830
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 5: not so great because he was getting lit up early?

831
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 4: Was that the last stand? Not forever? I'm not saying

832
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: retired tomorrow. I'm saying, like that guy, that guy, was

833
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 4: that the last stand against you?

834
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 5: A year? And I don't know, I say, got old overnight,

835
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 5: but but but he ain't young, Luki, you know, what

836
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: do you make up? He got second chapter, he got

837
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 5: second half of the career right now.

838
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: And let me read some of these numbers. So actually

839
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: we should compare this.

840
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: So Volkanovski landed one ninety again quantitative not qualitative, although

841
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: qualitative certainly is there as well. Volkanovski landed one ninety

842
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: nine to Max's one twenty seven. Now, if we go

843
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: to the other fights that he had, excuse me, I'm

844
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: going to look him up here real quickly.

845
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: A party will tell me these are bullshit. No, no,

846
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: these are the final ones. These are the final ones.

847
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: So these ones matter.

848
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: So again, remember these numbers one to one twenty seven.

849
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: In the second fight, it was one thirty seven to

850
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: one oh two, much closer, And in the first fight

851
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: it was one fifty seven to one thirty four, still

852
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: much closer. This was the biggest gap, at least numerically,

853
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: that he had. On top of that, BC real quickly

854
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: U of course, oh for three on takedown attempts, I

855
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: didn't think he was ever really going to get him,

856
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: but I thought maybe he could go for the like

857
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, Jared was trying to go for the single leg,

858
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: not really getting the takedown, but then pressing his into

859
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: the fence.

860
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything with it. But that's not a

861
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: bad strategy on him itself.

862
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 4: He has he loved it.

863
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, he had sixteen seconds of control time.

864
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: That is it.

865
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: Holy fuck man, you.

866
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: Can't control Jesus.

867
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: And then if you, and if you, and then if

868
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: you look at the targeting, seventy six percent of the head,

869
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: fourteen percent to the leg, and just nine percent to

870
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: the body. Dude, he was, Max, you want me to do?

871
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: I think it was through three rounds, I'll say, dude,

872
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: Max can't even find him. So what can't find.

873
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 5: Here's why I want to ask you, because there's a

874
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 5: couple of potential options, okay. One is that Volkanowski like

875
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 5: just made a leap and a half in the last

876
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 5: couple of fights, just as you know, and that could

877
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 5: be it.

878
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: Two is that the.

879
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 5: Damage caught up with Max and he got any even

880
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 5: though he went against the year, he got a little

881
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 5: overnight and now we're seeing it here. Three do we

882
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 5: find out like Max was injured or had a horrible

883
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 5: weight cut, or do we find out something after the

884
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: fact that you go, oh, that makes sense.

885
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this.

886
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: When I sat down with him, he did look thin,

887
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: but like I didn't think people were like, oh, he

888
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: looks terrible. He didn't look as.

889
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: Terrible in person, for whatever that is worth.

890
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 5: You know who told me at the live show, Melissa

891
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 5: of NATCHO said that Max in the face looked you know.

892
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: You didn't get a bad way cut. You wonder he's thirty.

893
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: You know that way cut is hard to make.

894
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: Is that why he's saying let's go for the knockout

895
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: thinking in his mind, you know, my best chance then

896
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: is to shorten the other one is too.

897
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: I asked him about damage, and he even brought up

898
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: in the press conference like you know, we're talking about

899
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: damage when he tried to do like the Allen Iverson thing. Dude,

900
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. He looked like the damage caught

901
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: up with him today, Like he just looked.

902
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: It's like maybe all of the above in a way,

903
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: it may be as no denying Volkanovski level enough, dude,

904
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: the fact that he wasn't and he didn't he do.

905
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: I can't go back. I can't say this enough.

906
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: There's no stat on this, so there's no way for

907
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: me to definitively prove this. Go back and look at

908
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: how much he was fainting in the third round of

909
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: the second fight, that was the round where the fight

910
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: began to turn in Volkanowski's direction.

911
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: And how much effort he was putting into foot fans

912
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: and shoulder fans.

913
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: Dude, he was just waiting on Max and then beating

914
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: the shit out of him as he entered escaping at

915
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: an angle and then popping him on the retreat. How

916
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: many free shots did he get when Max was pulling

917
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: back or even rolling, whether it was a kick or

918
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: a punch, he had he found wherever. It was like

919
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: he had a fucking GPS tracker on the guy and

920
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: was just pile pile pole.

921
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: It was what you were thinking. I used to take

922
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: my screen, my gun right up to the screen and

923
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 4: just fucking beat the ship.

924
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe. I couldn't believe, dude, he just

925
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 2: it looked effortless the whole time. Max looked like God

926
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: Matt Max. That Max was almost unrecognizable, even though he

927
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: did close round side.

928
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: There was points in round five where I'm like, oh,

929
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: is he just trying to be a nice guy here,

930
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 5: you know, which we've seen at times, because you could

931
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 5: have stopped it.

932
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: I mean, that was so bad.

933
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 5: He could have stoped it.

934
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: You could have stopped it again in the in New

935
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: York City, they probably would have stopped it, Like when

936
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: we we had the d S.

937
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: And the construngk P.

938
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 5: You know him very well. He tweeted at me and said,

939
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: it's the same cut that was opened up in the

940
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 5: Poier rematch.

941
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Right, But he like, here's the thing, Like Max took

942
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: a beating in the war a fight, but he gave

943
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: PORI a a fucking beaten to Like you know, he

944
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: he rocked and and like had poorier kind of you know,

945
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: trying to cover her up and hold on for his

946
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: dear life.

947
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: In a couple of those moments he couldn't do.

948
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 5: Ship chef cast to show up. Take those weird blinking

949
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 5: cup things. Put it right on the Johnson. Just revive him.

950
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean, just you know, he needed he needed one

951
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: of the seven margaritas I had yesterday.

952
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: All right, So here are the striking totals per round

953
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: again quantitative not qualitative.

954
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: I didn't pop anybody that choke. These guys are dead

955
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: behind the case. Well, first of all, I mean, could

956
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: he have he's eating all the edibles and I'm.

957
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: Not gonna say his name, but he's eating all the edibles. Bakers,

958
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: there's did you go to the stores like sir?

959
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 4: We don't have it off? Okay, I'm glad you're working

960
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: on the show. Okay, So this is what.

961
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 5: Somebody tore up the bet.

962
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: You can't use the bet the studio room bathroom? Who

963
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 4: tore up that bathroom? I walked in, smell like I didn't.

964
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't go.

965
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: Did you take a jump in the pathway?

966
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 4: No, you walked out. I saw you.

967
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: All right, hold on, dude, this is what yesterdays show

968
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: was supposed to be and I ruined it.

969
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: I had too many you know. That was like like

970
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: I wasl think that Sully selling your joke. Dude. That

971
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: was like trying to land the plane in the eight.

972
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: We'll talk about this.

973
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I accept, I accept my responsibility for yesterday, I

974
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: really do. But BC, be honest, it wasn't one hundred

975
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 2: percent of my fault because we had ridiculous technology issues.

976
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: When do you want to have this talk with the viewer? Okay?

977
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: So striking totals quantitative.

978
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: Round one Volkanovski twenty eight to Max's twenty four, pretty close.

979
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: Round two thirty seven to twenty seven, Round three forty

980
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: to twenty six, Round four there was a little bit

981
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: of an effort there from Max forty four to thirty one.

982
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: But how about this round five fifty to nineteen. Now

983
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't know this off hand, BC, but I'm gonna

984
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: guess if I looked at any of the other rounds

985
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: in any direction, no one had that much of a

986
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: striking differential. So that's thirty plus strikes in a difference.

987
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 5: Let me, actually, have you ever seen Richard Man person?

988
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 4: If I see him in person, I'm not going in

989
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: a Bakman at all. That's disrespect.

990
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: Literally, just a great number.

991
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 4: You numbers guy. He's a great numbers guy, you know.

992
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

993
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at these striking totals here per round. Yeah,

994
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: here's the this is the second fight, right, Uh no,

995
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: this is the first one. So nineteen nineteen, round one,

996
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty one, round two, twenty five to fifteen,

997
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: thirty four, twenty four, then thirty seven, twenty three.

998
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: So nos numbers. To me, it was an ass kicking,

999
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: That's all I knowed. I'm just pointing out three to

1000
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: nothing that was the second fight.

1001
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 5: What I was saying, You and I are huge. I mean,

1002
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 5: you love Alex two, but you and I are just

1003
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 5: such huge of Max's character, of his legacy, of his

1004
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: legend all that.

1005
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: Yes, I looked at the numbers. That's the most dominant

1006
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: round of all three fights.

1007
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: He's still only thirty.

1008
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: But I want to ask you honestly, I mean, he

1009
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 5: has recreated himself at times where we weren't sure exactly

1010
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 5: where he is physically or mentally. There's a ton of

1011
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: money fights you can make by moving up and fight

1012
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: the other aging, you know, I mean him against I'm

1013
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 5: sure McGregor is still his super fight him against any

1014
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: of the mean it's Chandler.

1015
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: Gregor want to hallowey after a performance like this though, Like, I.

1016
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 5: Get what you're saying, so I want to so that

1017
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 5: plays into it as well. I want to ask you

1018
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 5: what do you think should be next for Team Max?

1019
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 5: This is a night of retirements, right, Don Serni, Jessica, I.

1020
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, listen, here's what I would say. Do I

1021
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: think that Max Holloway can continue to beat elite fighters

1022
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: potentially in two divisions? I believe that, Yes, of course

1023
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: I believe that.

1024
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 5: But but.

1025
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 2: I know for a fact he makes an absolute shit

1026
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: ton of money and won't say how much from his gaming.

1027
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 4: I know you have an is just like twitch type thing,

1028
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: like like I think it's Facebook gaming.

1029
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: I don't know shit about gaming, so you have to

1030
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: have somebody else.

1031
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: But you know he's got He's a smart dude, he's

1032
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: got a great team around him, beautiful family, beautiful family.

1033
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying he has to hang it up,

1034
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: but he's taken a lot of damage. Tonight was another

1035
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: night where he took a lot of fucking damage. Not

1036
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: like an abusive amount, but not a great amount either

1037
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: would be.

1038
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 5: Time to at least because he's so young, it might

1039
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 5: be time to at.

1040
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 4: Least break a year. Yeah, take take a year, a

1041
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: year and.

1042
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 5: A half off, and you know, and look, even even

1043
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 5: if he does that and comes back in, all he

1044
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 5: does is his face is take fun old guy fights.

1045
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: He's allowed that. He can still make a lot of money.

1046
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: You can still win those.

1047
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 5: I mean, you would love to see him against Tony Ferguson,

1048
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 5: against name the you know, name the aging fun guy

1049
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: that he can make great fights with. But I would

1050
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 5: like a break in between. I don't want to see

1051
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 5: him rush back and try to fight another top contender.

1052
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: I don't want, you know, I mean like, I don't

1053
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: want to see any of that. But let's not act

1054
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 5: like McGregor isn't damaged physically himself, you know, so I

1055
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: would love that, but yes, I don't.

1056
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: Don't listen. Okay, let me ask you this dead serious.

1057
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: If they made it one fifty five, who do you favor?

1058
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: Matt?

1059
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: And I know it was a bad performance on that

1060
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: for Max, but Max or McGregor, because before I would

1061
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: have said Max, no problem.

1062
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's still Max probably still the most.

1063
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 5: And Max would have to answer questions like McGregor doesn't

1064
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 5: have to answer questions from layoff an injury, for sure,

1065
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 5: and I do know that. Do you believe, by the way,

1066
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: speaking quickly of McGregor, that the talks of this Mayweather

1067
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 5: thing is as serious as some of these weird online

1068
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: reports are saying that Mayweather offered him one hundred and

1069
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: sixty million for the rematch, Like, do you believe any

1070
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 5: of that?

1071
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I dismissed the first fight as like nonsensical

1072
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: bullshit for people who didn't know combat sports, and then

1073
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: it was like one of the biggest fights in combat

1074
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: sports history, So I'll just shut the fuck up.

1075
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: This time.

1076
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: It seems implausible because it would require them to work

1077
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: in all likelihood with the showtime again, which you know,

1078
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't think Daniel really wants to do.

1079
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: But you know, money talks, so whatever.

1080
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 5: That money is that big and they did it in

1081
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 5: like the Middle East, and Dana can.

1082
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 4: Get half of it. Yeah.

1083
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: I want to say something about Max's run. We went

1084
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: over this on the resume review. I'm really glad we

1085
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: do the resume review. I guess it was a bit

1086
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: of a curse. Unfortunately this time again. Fuck that kind

1087
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: of sucks. But I will say this, We did.

1088
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 4: One on Jessica, we just haven't published it yet, so

1089
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: I guess that even right.

1090
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: But dude, that run he had from twenty fourteen against

1091
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: Wilchobe all the way to I won't say the Dustin

1092
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: Poorier fight because he rebounded against Edgar, but that night

1093
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: December fourteenth, twenty nineteen, that Max Holloway run is so special.

1094
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: But he made his man, he met his fucking match,

1095
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: and the win against Cater was remarkable. The win against

1096
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: Rodriguez was fucking blood and guts. But he's not the

1097
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: top dog at featherweight. There's just no controversy about it anymore.

1098
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 5: And how similar do you feel about Max right now

1099
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 5: to how you felt about Jose Aldo watching him getting

1100
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 5: violently knocked out the second time by Max.

1101
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Look, okay, I will say this, I felt pretty similar. However,

1102
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: look how wrong I was given that Jose went to

1103
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: Bansamwaite and didn't exactly change his fortunes but really kept

1104
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: the flame alive. We'll see what he can do against

1105
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: morodwall T.

1106
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 5: Max, are not excuse makers. There is a chance you

1107
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 5: got old Overnet against Yea, and this is what it's

1108
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 5: gonna be like moving forward, Yes, but I really feel

1109
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 5: like something, something was off him and mixed with Volkanovski virtuo.

1110
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 5: So maybe there was not gonna be a scenario where

1111
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 5: he was gonna win this fight. But I feel like

1112
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 5: we're gonna find out something down the road. I don't know,

1113
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 5: We'll see, We'll see.

1114
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: We might just find out that Volkanowsky had his fucking number, dude,

1115
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: That's what we.

1116
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 5: Might find out and had because you know, when we

1117
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 5: were I'm glad also that we did by the way

1118
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: we pumped down a shit lo out of content.

1119
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: Well, they haven't even seen some of the longer things

1120
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 4: that we did. I mean, but I'm glad we did

1121
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: the rewatch the watch party.

1122
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 5: I am glad because rewatching that first one, that third

1123
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 5: judge WO did five nothing Volkanowski.

1124
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 4: I'm much more looking back four, one, five.

1125
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 5: You know, I think I ended up with three two

1126
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 5: the second time, but I could see easily where you

1127
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 5: can go five nothing there. So in reality, Luke, it's

1128
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 5: like Volkanowski was closer to dominating the first fight than

1129
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 5: he was.

1130
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 4: In a in a pick um.

1131
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: It wasn't dominant, but you get what I'm saying, Like

1132
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 5: it was closer to that the second one. Yes, Max

1133
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: had great first round, in great second round and dropped

1134
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: him twice, you know, once in each but that comeback

1135
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 5: over the final three rounds, Volkanowski was amazing and now

1136
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: five shutout dominant rounds.

1137
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: For a rivalry between two greats, it really wasn't you

1138
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: know what I mean it was?

1139
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 5: It was it was more unclose than it was you

1140
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 5: know nip and tuck debate who won that round? You

1141
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Luke, I mean, he was the

1142
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 5: better man like across the board almost was.

1143
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: From round three on the second fight.

1144
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 5: He never looked back and doesn't he have excuses that

1145
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 5: he could have leaned down on the second one, which

1146
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 5: I know he still won by disputed decision, but didn't

1147
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 5: he have Like with the travel with COVID, like there

1148
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 5: were there was like.

1149
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: Legitimate well I think Australia's again the time with his

1150
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: coaches that he Yeah, I mean Australia's COVID restrictions were

1151
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: pretty significant, so I think that definitely impacted training. But

1152
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: you know that Max was fucked up in that fight too,

1153
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: like he couldn't they were all on zoom and ship

1154
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: like the whole thing was a mess. But tonight, dude,

1155
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: you can say whatever the fuck you want to. Let's

1156
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: talk about Volkanoski for a second. So I don't do

1157
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: pound for pound rankings, but you do what is the

1158
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: I saw people being like, well, Kamaru's like actual resume

1159
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: still necessitates him being put in pound for pound, and

1160
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: I can understand that. I would like you to speak

1161
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: about it. But dude, just just like talent, Volkanowski is

1162
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: the best fighter in the sport.

1163
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: Number one.

1164
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is so good.

1165
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 5: Usban two Signia three Jones. You know, Jones is off

1166
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 5: the list because of an activity, but John Jones is

1167
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 5: in the discussion obviously, and you know there's a couple

1168
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: of other guys that does to be wherever you have

1169
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 5: him four five sixty seven right there. But no, dude,

1170
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: it is Volkanowski because he is he is having an

1171
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: Usmann like run when Usman kind of were like, oh shit,

1172
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: now he's adding you know, striking, and now he's knocking

1173
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 5: Monsviet all out. And you know, but again he also

1174
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 5: had very close fights with Kolby Covington twice. And look

1175
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 5: at Volkanowski, except for the rematch with Max, He's not

1176
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: having these very close fights, and uh, yeah, he had

1177
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 5: a scare against Ortega, but that is gonna go down

1178
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 5: as like such a a huge It's more of a

1179
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 5: what he proved.

1180
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: What he proved he exactly, you know, to.

1181
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 5: See him bend like that but not break and then

1182
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: be the dominant guy overall in that fight. He's never

1183
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 5: lost in there, Luke. He has a win that's so

1184
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 5: dominant over a version of Aldo that still has it.

1185
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 5: That again, I still believe although kind of was just

1186
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: like no Moss fuck it. Uh looking back the coal market,

1187
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 5: he knocked out Chad Mendez and put him into retirement.

1188
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: He Uh, Darren Elkins, he whooped up on you know, I.

1189
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 4: Mean, I get it. Maybe I'm jumping the gun on. Okay.

1190
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: Now he's got three wins over Max and win overall

1191
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 5: though he in four time defenses. He's the greatest featherweight

1192
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 5: of all time. I mean, look, Jose is fucking Jose.

1193
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 5: You're right, but he doesn't have to do much more

1194
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 5: if he's not already the greatest featherweight of all time, Luke.

1195
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 5: And it feels too soon in a way, but he's

1196
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 5: also twelve to zero in the octagon, and now he's

1197
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 5: got Is it what five title defenses? Not? Do they

1198
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 5: make that up?

1199
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: No?

1200
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 5: Four four four? Because Max has three? Damn So, Luke,

1201
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 5: I like what he did afterwards he said, not only

1202
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 5: it wasn't just I'm done here, let me move up

1203
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: and fight.

1204
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 4: Charles Olivera, which you want to get your thoughts in

1205
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 4: a second, but.

1206
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 5: It was I want to be active enough, and what's

1207
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 5: the smart thing to do? When you hit your absolute best,

1208
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 5: you'll ever be? Right now, this is his prime prime,

1209
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 5: the absolute prime. He says he wants to defend both.

1210
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: He wants to fight Olivera, but he wants to be

1211
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 5: active in both divisions. Is that possible on this level?

1212
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: You can say Manda.

1213
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 5: Newness has done it, but the divisions aren't as loaded

1214
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 5: or competitive, Luke, is it is it possible to do that?

1215
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 4: Before you get into the ali VERI siut of it?

1216
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: I think I think there's a few guys knocking on

1217
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 4: featherweight josh imt them. Dude. I'm not saying that he's

1218
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: gonna look better.

1219
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I mean, Yahyar is interesting in the

1220
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: sense that he's so unorthodox and quick that you could

1221
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: see him catching Bolkanowski with something that's not crazy again,

1222
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: or Tega dropped him, Mendez dropped him, Max dropped him.

1223
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 5: Like, if I'm on a rushing quick I could talk

1224
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 5: as a beat back into the game.

1225
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 4: I don't think you could. He ain't dropping Volkanowski.

1226
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is, you know,

1227
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: he has shown some very limited but some vulnerability in

1228
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: that sense, So maybe you think they would have a

1229
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: chance there, but I wouldn't pick Yeah, you're over mac bolk.

1230
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: Six fight. So dude, here's the thing. He wants to

1231
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: go to one fifty five.

1232
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: Now, this would be a fucking nightmare because in the

1233
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: sense of this, in this way, olivera got stripped of

1234
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: the title, which was bullshit, but whatever, because you know,

1235
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: DC just tripped you know.

1236
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: I cheated like a motherfucker in Buffalo.

1237
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, I'm like, well, then we're gonna give the

1238
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: title back to Okay, but either way Chuck yeah, yeah.

1239
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: So the point is you have Oliver waiting. They don't

1240
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: know who the pune is supposed to be.

1241
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: It should be Makachev, but they don't want to make

1242
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: it abdobvious or whatever the fun they're gonna do with that.

1243
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: I think whatever I don't know how I'm trying.

1244
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: Now you have olivera saying he wants to fight Connor,

1245
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: and there's all this stuff Volkanovsky coming up, Like what

1246
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: would they do?

1247
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: Would they do Volkanowsky? All of it?

1248
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: They do?

1249
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: I saw that too, But when they do Volkanovsky islam

1250
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: for the title as some kind of like here's the thing.

1251
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: Do I want to see Volkanovsky go to one fifty five?

1252
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: Not a doubt. I would love to see it against.

1253
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: You're saying we got things to figure out first and

1254
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: lightly dude, lightway, it's a bit of a fucking disaster

1255
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: right now, and all this would do would clog it up.

1256
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: So what I'm hoping is they can get that other

1257
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: one fifty five fight made so we.

1258
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: Can get some clarity and then see where Volkanovsky can

1259
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: fit into the picture. How interested are like legit interested

1260
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: are you? And like in a way that is you

1261
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: think he's competitive to go to one fifty five?

1262
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 5: I mean I wouldn't not be interested. I'm gonna be

1263
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 5: a sick fight, right and but I want to ask

1264
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 5: you about that. And it almost doesn't matter the opponent here.

1265
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 4: Now.

1266
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 5: I know Max is big for featherweight in terms of

1267
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 5: length and heighten he always has been, but Max had

1268
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 5: a five inch heighten reach advantage. Volkov looks small like

1269
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: I mean he always he's always looked small against Max.

1270
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: But he looks small.

1271
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 5: That he came down from a higher waight playing rugby,

1272
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 5: and maybe that speaks to now he's fallen in love

1273
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 5: with his power and figuring it out. But just straight

1274
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 5: up size wise, the same fears you had of Henry

1275
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 5: Suhudo coming back and fighting Volkanovski and trying to become

1276
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 5: a three division champion. Do you have any of those

1277
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: fears of the size difference? Dude?

1278
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, First of all, this idea that Suhudo's gonna fight

1279
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: Volkanowski and win, get the fuck out of here. I've

1280
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: been telling you all that was a stupid idea.

1281
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 5: I've been telling you By the way Suhudo in al

1282
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 5: Jah had to stare down in Vegas.

1283
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: That's a much better fight. Love that fight.

1284
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: That'd be great, dude. They ain't in a bansom weight

1285
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: on earth. Who's gonna give a fucking Volkanowski problems? Get

1286
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here. With all that, so I

1287
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: forget the rest of your question.

1288
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: Point to you, you have a fear about his size

1289
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: and potentially moving up. Charlie All sure, I think he's

1290
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: obviously very strong.

1291
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: I think he could hold his own, but there's a

1292
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: question like how far does that actually extend against somebody

1293
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: like Michael Chandler, who is not the overall complete package

1294
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: of Volkanowski is, but he is, dude. Chandler in the

1295
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: off season gets close to two hundred pounds. That's a

1296
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: big kid. Dude, that's a real big kid, a big

1297
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: He's thirty four year old, thirty five year man. But

1298
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, he's a big dude. So

1299
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: I do I do wonder about that. I think it's

1300
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: a very legitimate question. That's why it's so intriguing. But

1301
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: it's why it combat sports. What's the most exciting thing?

1302
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: A few things. The guys on their rise up is

1303
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: super exciting. The other one is the guys who can

1304
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: move through weight classes.

1305
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 4: That is so special.

1306
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: What's so special in boxing? It's less true in MMA,

1307
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: but it would still be very fucking awesome.

1308
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 5: Would you put fighters starting only fans pages on that

1309
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 5: list of what's great about fighting?

1310
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: Okay?

1311
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Are they like near the BKFC stage of their career?

1312
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 2: Because that says a lot about what they're going to show.

1313
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm just saying bullshit. I don't even know what I'm

1314
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: saying anymore.

1315
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: Let's talk about some of the other fights that the

1316
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 4: life cycle. How much will they show well the end

1317
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: of their run?

1318
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 5: I mean, oh yeah, by the way, would you like

1319
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 5: I know that Chandler versus poor A is something sexy

1320
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 5: a ship, but would you like Max against Chandler?

1321
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, you mean after Max gets time off? I like

1322
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: the other one, Max versus Tony, I like, I like

1323
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: that one a little bit more.

1324
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: That's a little more, you know what that converse with Tony.

1325
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 4: I think a lot of the fights you can make, Yeah,

1326
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 4: those are some good ones.

1327
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: The Chandler one, wouldn't hate it. Wouldn't hate it. I

1328
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: don't know if it's my first choice, but wouldn't hate it.

1329
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 5: Would you think Max is more likely to just come

1330
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: back against a big dangerous name then take the year

1331
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 5: off or two years off, like we're sort of I mean,

1332
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 5: like he is. He is a fighter, Luke. It's maybe

1333
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 5: hard to talk about like that.

1334
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: He does.

1335
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: But when you're thirty, dude, all the more reason it's

1336
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: his His thirty is closer to like a real thirty four.

1337
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 5: And it's funny because Rory McDonald lost while we were

1338
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 5: was on TV doesn't even like the same fighter, you know.

1339
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 5: And I'm sure we'll get to that this week of

1340
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 5: Morning Combat from the PFL this weekend. But you know,

1341
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 5: one thing I had said afterwards to Bronstead or who

1342
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 5: how rude was that YouTube comment or saying he looks

1343
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: like a teacup Jawa.

1344
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so rude, not rude enough for you

1345
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: to not laugh at it.

1346
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous, but wow, okay, you know, I'm sure I

1347
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 6: had a I'm sure which one was I talking about it?

1348
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter, Oh no, no, no, I said, what

1349
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 6: if you know, because we said, like the warning sign

1350
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 6: for Rory was the Fitch fight and the talk about

1351
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 6: God telling him not to hurt people, you know, in

1352
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 6: that moment, what if he had taken a year and

1353
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 6: a half off.

1354
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 5: We've taken eighteen months.

1355
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: Off and just sometimes sometimes the damage is done. It

1356
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much time off you take. Now I'm

1357
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: not saying that's the case with Max. Will have to see,

1358
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: but there there can be times where you take time

1359
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: off and you ain't getting recharged there's nothing left to rechargeah.

1360
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, in.

1361
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: Terms of just getting your lights put out, how about

1362
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: Alex Pereira.

1363
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: I don't know why I keep saying phina.

1364
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't speak Portuguese, but my understanding is if it

1365
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: starts with an R or has two rs in the middle,

1366
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 2: that's when you say an Ah. He doesn't have either

1367
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: of those, but okay. He sends Sean Strickland to the

1368
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: land of wind and motherfucking ghosts two thirty six of

1369
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: round number one ko a leftick from hell, almost identical

1370
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: to the punch that City Kickboxing is Carlos Olberg used

1371
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: on Tafon and Chukui, which I talked about on the

1372
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: Extra Credit like extensively this past week.

1373
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 5: Holy shit, Yeah, I mean we do this was possible.

1374
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 5: And there were times I looked at the betting a lot.

1375
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, can we talk about Sean Stricklands strategy? No?

1376
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 5: No, no, because you asked me to talk about my

1377
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 5: reaction and then you're like sorry.

1378
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 4: It was like when you're like, can we do a

1379
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 4: Jake chat? Dude? Somebody sorry.

1380
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: I tweeted this morning and someone called me Luke Moss

1381
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: Margarita's Thomas.

1382
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like, that's a good thing. That's a

1383
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: good thing I think.

1384
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously I was impressive. There were times this

1385
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 5: week when you look at that line you're like, what

1386
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 5: if he really is that good and now we're getting

1387
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 5: plus money on him against a guy who without big power,

1388
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: who's gonna potentially follow him around and walk into it.

1389
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 4: No one thought that strategy. We can get to that

1390
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 4: in a second.

1391
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 5: But god, I'm glad he did this because him versus

1392
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: is he is such a great storyline matchup and I

1393
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 5: think has potential to be very interesting if if Paita

1394
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 5: is the type of striker that came there wasn't in

1395
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 5: that fight to try to discipline and slow down as

1396
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 5: he's output. I mean, that could be a chess match

1397
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: with big explosive moments, and I love the storyline.

1398
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 4: But to prove that you're that good by by knocking

1399
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: him out that brutally, so there's no doubt here, Luke.

1400
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I can't take credit for this

1401
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 5: because I predicted Trickling the Wits like you yep, But

1402
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 5: this fight was so close on paper. When it got

1403
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 5: us so excited, we knew it could go either way.

1404
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 5: And one thing I said, was, you know, could it

1405
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 5: look like Kendo bispeng one. It kind of looked exactly

1406
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 5: like Kendo bisby one except for one big ridiculous follow

1407
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 5: through punch.

1408
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: You know, if you had told me that Strickland was

1409
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: going to fight like that, I would have never have

1410
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: picked him.

1411
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 4: Now, the one thing I will defend Strickling on.

1412
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: The one thing.

1413
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: Putting Pereira on his heels was at least in theory,

1414
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 2: not a bad idea, but in order for that.

1415
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 4: To work so many other pieces.

1416
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: He was so flat footed and just kind of marching

1417
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: into him And it wasn't like he was putting on

1418
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: those heels, but it didn't feel like very strategic pressure.

1419
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: It bore, just felt like consistent and dude.

1420
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 5: Would I mean, it's easy to say it now in hindsight,

1421
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 5: because you're right, he had a strategy that was bent upon, uh,

1422
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 5: you know, with pressure and you know, and movement and

1423
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 5: try to get Perrera to make a mistake and all that,

1424
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 5: and you know, given their lack their gear experience gap obviously,

1425
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 5: Pereira has the extreme history and glory and having beaten

1426
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 5: Izzy twice. But it's a slow transit, you know, it's

1427
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 5: a slow transition sometimes to this game.

1428
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: He could have exposed no takedowns. But that's my point.

1429
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 5: It's easy to say in hindsight because he got demolished

1430
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 5: what he should have done, But he probably should have

1431
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 5: shot early and put in the thread of that, which

1432
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 5: would have helped the pressure he was trying to put

1433
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 5: on by come forward and he was trying to swim

1434
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 5: with his head a lot luke.

1435
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, there were times he was trying to just

1436
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: kind of swim in and move in.

1437
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 5: But even then he was he was keeping the movement

1438
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 5: to such a tight area that he's still in range.

1439
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: And then he was flat footed.

1440
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: He wasn't bouncing, he wasn't taking angles, he wasn't hardly

1441
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: fainting at all. He was just reacting and walking forward again, like,

1442
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: could I do any better? No, he would have beat

1443
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: my ass in fucking ten seconds. It would have been nothing.

1444
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: But this is what I mean.

1445
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: Do I think that Alex Pereira is obviously insanely talented

1446
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: and just a devastating threat and somebody who I think

1447
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: is going to make easy fight, no doubt about it.

1448
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: But on Strickland is a good fighter, a very good fighter.

1449
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: He should not lose this quickly unless something desperately went wrong.

1450
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: Just didn't love his approach to this fight. Really really

1451
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: really didn't understand it, really didn't like it.

1452
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Strickland talked a big game this week,

1453
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 5: so maybe there was that pressure in this moment to

1454
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 5: if I'm gonna beat this guy, I'm gonna have to

1455
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 5: kind of try to dominate him. And that might be

1456
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: dominating with power, it might be dominating with pressure and

1457
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 5: always hold the control of the fight. And he was

1458
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 5: fighting Luke to get that control and he never got

1459
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 5: that control, and he got sense some.

1460
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: Of the fight metual guys are making fun of what

1461
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 3: we're shooting this thing.

1462
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should probably just end it down.

1463
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: No, No, we gotta figure out we just have to

1464
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: finish the the main court here a little bit.

1465
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: Do you agree with my assessment that Pereira is going

1466
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: to be a good match for Izzy to get more

1467
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: out of him.

1468
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1469
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 5: I really got that a couple of minutes ago. And

1470
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 5: I think, like you know, there may be slow moments,

1471
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 5: maybe tense moments, but this is gonna have to be

1472
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 5: a different issy than it. Cou's a different type of

1473
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: challenge in Cannonir and it's going to be fun to

1474
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 5: see a guy who you know, it's not like we

1475
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 5: expect Izzy to take down all that could end up

1476
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 5: being in play for all we know is he's adding

1477
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 5: things to his game constantly and he's great. But if

1478
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 5: this is a slow, tense chess match that speeds up beautifully,

1479
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a dangerous ass fight because we don't

1480
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 5: actually know how good. We don't know who per data

1481
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 5: ceiling in general on the MMA side, So that's what

1482
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 5: makes this extra scary. So it's you know, when you

1483
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 5: fast track somebody, he had three challenges, he passed them

1484
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 5: all by all three by stoppage. He found a way

1485
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 5: to look spectacular coming into a title fight on a

1486
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 5: fast track, but also not having all the questions answered, Luke,

1487
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 5: which is gonna make this. It's gonna make the bedding

1488
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 5: line interesting. It's gonna make the anticipation of it because

1489
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna pump the the the preview system with the

1490
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 5: highlights of him knocking his he down, you know, knocking

1491
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 5: his he out right of course, and you're gonna say

1492
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 5: that was in bigger gloves. Now we got at four

1493
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 5: ounce gloves. That is going to sell itself loud.

1494
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: If you didn't see it tonight, and maybe it's on

1495
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: Instagram too.

1496
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1497
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: I just saw it on Twitter, the Glory kickbox and

1498
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: the official Glory Kickboxing Twitter accoun out boy, they had

1499
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: some They had some memes ready for old Sean Strickland.

1500
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: They were because they took the clip of him saying like,

1501
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: oh I could beat the shit out of any Glory

1502
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: kickboxer and blah blah blah, and then they sort of

1503
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,479
Speaker 2: super imposed it over like some kickboxing highlights, and shit,

1504
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: it didn't and they had it the second he was knocked.

1505
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: Out, ready to go.

1506
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 4: So former employer, Yeah, it was fun working for them.

1507
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: I learned a lot actually, all right, how about Brian

1508
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: Barbarina defeating Robbie Lawler TKO round two, four forty seven

1509
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: at distance. Lawa looked pretty good. Barbarina just ate a

1510
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: fuck ton of damage and then just got busy with

1511
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: all of the strikes. I think he threw over one

1512
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety strikes in one of the rounds, which

1513
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: is a Walterwait record for a single round.

1514
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 5: Now, look, he had to come back from it, like

1515
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 5: you mentioned, and he had to dig deep into hell,

1516
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 5: which again he's good at by the way, there's a

1517
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 5: three fight winning streak now for him, so which is

1518
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 5: you know, this is big, But this was supposed to

1519
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 5: be a feel good story because Robby Lawer came out

1520
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 5: and he looked younger and friskier in the head movement

1521
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 5: and yeah, he was getting into the pocket and exchanging

1522
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 5: and it had the the the you know, the exchanges

1523
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 5: that were sexy that we liked. We expected this to

1524
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 5: be an all action affair and it was. But it

1525
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 5: was really looking like Robbie, you know, bought a couple

1526
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: more fights. It looked like he kind of just figured

1527
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 5: some things out for a while. But you know, the

1528
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 5: reason why we picked Barberina or I did coming in

1529
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 5: was if it turned into a full on war, you

1530
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 5: were gonna like the younger guy who's been a little

1531
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 5: bit more battle tested, also been battle tested, but a

1532
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 5: little bit more durable of late. You know, he did

1533
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 5: almost retire, but I want I wanted this for for Robbie,

1534
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 5: though I wanted this win.

1535
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: But uh damn, when you asked about retirement, we already

1536
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: had two of them. But I would go if I

1537
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: was Robbie, he's been finding a law he's taken. We

1538
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: don't talk about it.

1539
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: He's taken a fuck ton of damage.

1540
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's we don't talk about it because it's

1541
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 5: difficult too and while we should talk about it responsible ways.

1542
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 5: And I think you asking Max and you know maybe

1543
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: some other fighters we talked to, like it's a it

1544
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 5: has to be a discussion, but damn, that's not an

1545
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 5: easy discussion because it's it's part of what you accept

1546
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 5: and in these type of combat sports, and and it's

1547
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: hard that we have to come sometimes put it into

1548
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 5: our analysis of how this guy take it too much?

1549
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 5: Will that show up in this fight? You know what's

1550
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 5: Max is going to be looked like next time? Was

1551
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 5: that just virtuoso Volkanowski? Or did we see clear signs?

1552
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 5: And I don't know much more Robbie can gain. I mean,

1553
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 5: you know this looked like a triumphant like maybe last

1554
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 5: victory effort. It didn't happen now, I.

1555
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: Mean he walked into Last of the Mohicans theme song

1556
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: and what does he lost four or five? I mean,

1557
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 2: he's question Actually, let me verify that before you move

1558
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: on with I think it's.

1559
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: Six of eight and four or five and he's forty

1560
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 4: years old and.

1561
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: Dude, jesus, Yeah, he hasn't won two in a row

1562
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: five fifteen, twenty sixteen, Yeah.

1563
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 4: Us five or six they've been to you know, Colby

1564
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 4: r DA.

1565
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: Look, look, he had the Roy McDonald fight and then

1566
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: the Carlos kind of fight, two insane wars, and his

1567
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: career was never the same after that.

1568
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 5: He's look at that seven and two. Since then he

1569
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 5: beats Serroni by the two and seven. Yeah, two and seven,

1570
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 5: excuse me. And then of course he stopped Nick Diaz,

1571
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 5: which doesn't get it.

1572
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: And then two wins were Seroni, who was you know,

1573
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 2: kind of getting towards the end of his run. And

1574
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: then all right, real quickly here the sean O'Malley, petrim I.

1575
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 5: Just said the two wins were Diaz and Seroni, and

1576
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: then you were like, yeah, but b see the two

1577
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 5: wins were ds and I was.

1578
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 3: Just like, give me a margarita and shut your mouth.

1579
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 2: Yeah uh and okay, and all serious as Pedro Munho

1580
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: is shown, O'Malley, no contest, dude, This one sucked because

1581
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: Munio's look like he had a good strategy of like

1582
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: leg kicking and then constantly mirroring the stand switch and

1583
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: staying out of punching range. In large part, and it

1584
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: kind of muted a lot of the offense of what

1585
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: O'Malley had.

1586
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 5: Joe Musso asked me, an HQ, if Pedro Munoz acted

1587
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:21,959
Speaker 5: to try to get out.

1588
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 4: So do you think he was a way out dude?

1589
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 5: He was.

1590
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 4: This was this was a Pedro Munho's fight. He was

1591
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 4: kind of frustrated. I don't have to say he was

1592
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 4: frustrating O'Malley, but he was making it the type of fight.

1593
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 5: He was trying to lower the output, because if you

1594
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 5: get into an output fight with O'Malley, he's gonna he's

1595
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 5: so dynamic and quick and creative, he's gonna find that opening.

1596
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 5: Munyos was landing the leg kicks, which is a smart

1597
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 5: strategy that Vera did, and that changed that fight in

1598
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 5: a big way. Why would he look to get out?

1599
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 4: You saw the.

1600
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 5: Replay, Luke. It was a full hand coming into the

1601
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 5: eye and he got him twice with the same finger

1602
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 5: in both eyes.

1603
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: Luke, all right, so he fingered him. Okay, so that

1604
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: should they do a river base? Yeah, third base, pop

1605
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: goes the weasel. Should they do a third second?

1606
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 4: Fighth? They do a rematch?

1607
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 5: I mean, in reality, they probably should, but but I

1608
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 5: don't want to say, like, sorry, Patro Muno's you lose,

1609
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 5: by the way.

1610
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 4: To the judges. The judges gave Munyos round one, so

1611
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: he won. Typically, yeah, you have to.

1612
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 5: You have to because we didn't learn anything from it,

1613
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 5: and Munyo's at least showed or no, we learned something.

1614
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 5: Munyo's at least showed he could succeed in that set,

1615
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 5: bringing down the you know, the offense and the output

1616
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 5: to raise his possibility of landing.

1617
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 4: A big shot that could change him.

1618
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 5: We didn't see enough exchanges to see what this was

1619
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 5: going to look like.

1620
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: All right, well's answer some question. I know there's a

1621
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: bunch more that happened. We're gonna save some of that

1622
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 2: for extra credit. So let's answer some of the questions

1623
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: from the fans here, b see Anthony Smith said, Izzy

1624
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: is a lot like Mayweather to your point, stunts on

1625
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: his opponent's defense, but who doesn't always take wild chances

1626
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: for wild results.

1627
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 4: Of course, we already talked about that. How about this

1628
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 4: for you?

1629
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: Will Pereira's length be the biggest issue for Adasignia, Ada whatever.

1630
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 5: Padta whatever?

1631
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what's the length difference here?

1632
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 5: Because look at Asnia is used to like six eight

1633
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 5: intreat advantages like he had over like Victorian cost of

1634
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 5: this was.

1635
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 4: Smaller against uh Can And I think you saw some

1636
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 4: of that danger in there.

1637
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 5: But what's the I guess we have to click on it, Luke.

1638
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna help me out there.

1639
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: He has as.

1640
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 5: Padda has a seventy nine inch reach according to Wikipedia.

1641
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 5: And then is he is what eighty four.

1642
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: Eighty eighty?

1643
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 5: Okay, so it's basically virtually identical.

1644
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 4: Id I mean that's gonna be a part of it.

1645
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 5: Is that the one reason, no, how about this, The

1646
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 5: main reason is he's got sick power in both hands.

1647
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 5: But that main reason Luke gets gets some more gold

1648
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 5: coins thrown on top because he beat him twice, including.

1649
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 4: Once by knockout. And I know, as he says, rewatch

1650
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 4: the fights, Okay, great, I'll rewatch it. Do you have

1651
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 4: If you have big success, that's great? But he lost

1652
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 4: them both and you can't fake that kind of confidence, Luke.

1653
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 5: If I kicked your ass in the street twice and

1654
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 5: now you want to fight me in the m m

1655
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 5: A cage, Luke, I'm gonna kick your ass a third time.

1656
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna believe it.

1657
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay, the problem with this person writes, the problem with

1658
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: Iszy is that he's too good on his feet. There

1659
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: isn't another champ that shuts down other fighters by having

1660
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: such a gap in talent.

1661
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: See here's the difference Habib did.

1662
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: Actually, but Habib found the finish or at least brutalizing

1663
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: rounds much more often. He's still like Habib didn't really win,

1664
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm just gonna stand the whole time. I mean

1665
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: a little bit with like Winter, but even then there

1666
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: was a bunch of takedowns on that one.

1667
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 5: Too, himself out with the takedowns when he finished, and.

1668
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 4: It was a late noose thing.

1669
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: But whatever, But like is he has that same kind

1670
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: of I'm so much better than like, who's the best

1671
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: striker at middleweight? Again, we'll see what about Perira, but

1672
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: it's for now it's Izzy. But he doesn't turn it

1673
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: necessarily of late into these like you know, dramatic finishes

1674
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 2: and brutalizes.

1675
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you. I can't wait to see it.

1676
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 4: I remember during the hard when you were like, since Alex,

1677
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 4: you're to talk to you. But there's a good joke here.

1678
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 5: Okay, it's weird that you're actually reading the fans questions

1679
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 5: nor really like that question fucking sucks.

1680
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: I asked him for questions, go ahead.

1681
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 4: We asked him yesterday too.

1682
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, uh yeah, I forgot what I

1683
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 5: was gonna say, but I did get the nice little you.

1684
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: Know, since Alex beats Strickland, I guess that means he

1685
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 2: doesn't jack off the cartoons.

1686
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 4: I had to get that one in there.

1687
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for you.

1688
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 4: By the way, it's all people being like yo, he

1689
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 4: tens sevent him at the press conference.

1690
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: How many fucking times do you need to see something

1691
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: at a press conference that has fuck all to do

1692
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: with what happens in a fight Again, McGregor just sunned

1693
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: Mayweather for four stops on the tour and then got

1694
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: tuned up in front of everyone. It doesn't mean shit,

1695
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: I keep trying to tell you, donks, it doesn't mean shit.

1696
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 3: Okay.

1697
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 5: I don't think they're yeah, well they're.

1698
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 4: No, no, no no.

1699
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: But I had people tweet me being like yo, yo yo,

1700
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: that's gonna that's gonna play a factor later.

1701
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: Uh okay?

1702
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: Is he is going to encounter the perception issue that

1703
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: he can't surpass Anderson's middleweight goat because of his fight style.

1704
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: True or false.

1705
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 5: I mean that's not helping him in this discussion be

1706
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 5: closer than maybe he could be, But it's gonna be

1707
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 5: the totality of it, Luke, And I think also, you know,

1708
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 5: after Perreira, who else is is he has reason to

1709
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 5: stay around fort at middleweight.

1710
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be.

1711
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 5: Time to make the full time move, which means changing

1712
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 5: your body if that's necessary for him. I mean, look,

1713
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 5: he got humbled against Young, but he get dominated. Like

1714
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 5: there was almost an argument to make that I he

1715
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 5: could have won three too. Not a huge argument, not

1716
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 5: a powerful one. But my point is like he was

1717
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 5: at moments and he was in that fight. He's got

1718
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 5: to be able to believe with a different focus and

1719
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 5: working on his wrestling that that move feels closer than not. Luke,

1720
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 5: who else is climbing the midweight ranking?

1721
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 3: I agree? I think if he beats Yeah, moved it

1722
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 3: to a.

1723
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 5: Five unless Strickland bounces back with a huge win and

1724
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 5: is he wants like a payday or wants some you know,

1725
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 5: something like that.

1726
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 3: Someone says similar to Chefchenko's.

1727
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: Assassin ko artist descriptions. I think saying, is he is

1728
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: a quote KAO artist is inaccurate. He's very smart and

1729
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: safe and costas is only recent kao exciting, fight fair.

1730
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 5: If he can get into a downhill position against you,

1731
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 5: he's going to probably knock you out right. Oh yeah,

1732
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 5: but you know lately the competition I don't think it's like,

1733
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 5: is the competition catching up? Well, No, the competition's great

1734
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 5: and when you continuously That's why I picked Cannoneer in

1735
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 5: this one, because it's hard to be as great as Izz.

1736
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 5: He has been, right. I thought he laid it against

1737
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 5: Ramero and took a chance that was a little maybe unnecessary,

1738
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 5: got away with it.

1739
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 4: But he hasn't done that again.

1740
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 5: And yeah, if you're not on his level at all,

1741
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 5: he's gonna turn the tables, go downhill, walk you down,

1742
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 5: and get you out of there.

1743
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 4: He was offensive against Cannon near like. This isn't the

1744
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 4: argument to make right now, Luke, but it's good.

1745
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,520
Speaker 5: It's anyone competing with Anderson.

1746
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 4: Silver for some type of thing that is he is.

1747
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 5: There's part of us that just loves the full Caro

1748
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 5: side of Anderson Silva because in his mid to late

1749
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 5: thirties he did video game shit. I mean, he had

1750
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 5: you know, the front kick to knock out bell Fort,

1751
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 5: the dancing around Forrest, you know, the comeback with the

1752
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 5: broken rib against Jail. That be that built the folklore

1753
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 5: of this Michael Jackson character who was like the Jordan

1754
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 5: of MMA for that stretch is he's got his own thing, Luke,

1755
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 5: and the totality of the wins are gonna speak to it,

1756
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 5: as would if he moves up and gets a championship

1757
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 5: in a second division, which I'm not saying, like do it,

1758
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 5: You'll be the favorite, you know.

1759
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 4: But he also, Luke, he can compete right now for

1760
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 4: the two or five title against any of those guys

1761
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 4: he can, look.

1762
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 3: He can maybe so.

1763
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: Prodska was there in attendance as well. Something I want

1764
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 2: to give a shout out to Dean Thomas. I think

1765
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: Dean Thomas is the smartest guy they have on that broadcast.

1766
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: Then nobody quite knows wrestling like Daniel Cormier. I know

1767
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 2: some people don't like Cormier as a commentator, some do.

1768
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: I get it, but when it comes to the wrestling,

1769
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: he is quite good.

1770
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 4: Obviously. Rogan is you know, been in forever and sort

1771
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 4: of like has tenure, and.

1772
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 5: You think he felt upset about me saying that he

1773
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 5: normally dresses like a busboy.

1774
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 4: So today was that what he called you? The other dude?

1775
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 4: He wore like a.

1776
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 5: Classic like nineteen fifties black and white suit.

1777
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 4: It looked good.

1778
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 5: He didn't but in the top.

1779
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 4: I don't get that. If you're gonna wear a suit,

1780
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 4: you got button though, I mean he does. They can find.

1781
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: I do I have an eighteen inch neck?

1782
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: I can find.

1783
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 5: It didn't look like a rental. It kind of looked

1784
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 5: like a rental. Yes, So maybe he like like threw

1785
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 5: up on his regular clothes or something.

1786
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: No, the UFC outfits him, and I wonder if they

1787
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 4: tried to get him one.

1788
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say. Maybe his normal office was being used

1789
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 5: at like Gonzalez Gonzales, you know.

1790
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 4: Like so John, I thought Joe reserved it for that night.

1791
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 3: No, No, did Joe also have explosive diarrhea?

1792
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 4: For it's an establishment. I will say this.

1793
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 3: Dean Thomas is a fucking legend.

1794
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 4: Dude.

1795
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: He adds with those little bits of information, more detailed

1796
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: than virtually anyone else on the broadcast.

1797
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 3: And I get his job is easy.

1798
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: He gets to come in like Trevor Wippen's great but

1799
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: he's feathery. He keep trying to picture and Dean gets

1800
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 2: to parachute in with an insight and you get the

1801
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 2: hell out. It's harder to do that for much longer

1802
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: stretches of time, and I get that, but I want

1803
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: to say, Dean is the fucking man. And I will

1804
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: also say there are times when I ask Dean questions,

1805
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: like on Whatsapple message him and he gets back to me.

1806
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: He'll shoot videos to explain things to me. Dean is

1807
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: the fucking man. He is a treasure and they put

1808
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: him on the analyst desk for ABC. I want to

1809
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: see him more. Dean Thomas shouts to you, dude, you

1810
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 2: are awesome in like the.

1811
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 5: Inner circle of Dana White friendship right now. Like he

1812
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 5: used to be like Nick the tooth like tooth and

1813
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 5: you know, it's like Matt Sarah and all those guys.

1814
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 5: But like I actually feel like like I would want

1815
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 5: to hang out with Dean Thomas.

1816
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dean seems like good people.

1817
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, Dean bur draft again.

1818
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: And then someone else asks, if you're gonna pay seventy

1819
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: five bucks for a pay per view.

1820
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 4: Can we not have to watch commercials? I agree with you, Yeah,

1821
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 4: I agree with that too, by the way.

1822
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 3: You mean the z Owne pay per view.

1823
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 4: It's just like, what the fuck.

1824
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: We'll have a bunch more to say in the coming week.

1825
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 2: I know that Monday is a big holiday here in

1826
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 2: so we will still have content for you that day.

1827
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 2: Be on the lookout for it.

1828
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna have.

1829
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 5: An MK bonus weekend show tomorrow.

1830
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 3: We should talk about that.

1831
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: I have an idea, but yes, the answer is yes,

1832
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 2: there's there's gonna be content coming your way. Plus, we're

1833
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the Serrony retirement. We're gonna talk about, yes,

1834
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: the jiska I retirement. By the way, two futures one

1835
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: today Ian Gary and Macy Barber, and then there was

1836
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 2: two retirements.

1837
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 4: There's a changing up the garden.

1838
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 5: You want to save until Wednesday show.

1839
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: Where we'll talk about the live show.

1840
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it on Wednesday, you know.

1841
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 3: And there's a lot to say, mostly I love you

1842
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: and I'm.

1843
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 5: Sorryday sorry to me, say sorry to the people.

1844
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 4: Now. The people in attendance had to go time. We'll

1845
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 4: save it, but they everyone at home hated it.

1846
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm sorry, folks. Well, I do

1847
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 3: appreciate you guys watching now.

1848
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: And by the way, let's just say one more thing,

1849
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: thank you to all the CBS producers who showed up,

1850
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: showtime producers who showed.

1851
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 4: Up, all the multip people.

1852
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 5: Are our CBS Sports editorial team was here, brookow Shack,

1853
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 5: Brandon Wise. Was great to see those guys. I mean,

1854
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 5: everyone chipped in this week. Whether or not you love

1855
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 5: the Friday Live show, and a lot of people, by

1856
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 5: the way, I thought it was fucking awesome anyway, but

1857
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 5: I got some lovers too. I will say, you're gonna

1858
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 5: love when you see all the content we shot this week,

1859
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 5: and I think you know, we covered this top to

1860
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 5: bottom and all the bonus stuff that we normally do.

1861
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 4: Shout out to.

1862
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 5: Chuck, you know, and and all those guys who joined

1863
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 5: our live show, but Chuck who helped us build some

1864
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 5: of those things ahead of time. But the stamina this

1865
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 5: week that we had to show, that our team had

1866
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 5: to show. Yep, man, that's that is inspiring.

1867
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: But I also am like, I can't do this yet

1868
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 4: for a long time.

1869
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: No no, And lastly, obviously thanks everyone who showed up yesterday.

1870
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: Thanks to MGM for helping us stage it. I know

1871
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 2: that a lot of folks didn't like it, but in general,

1872
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: for the week that we had, thank you to all

1873
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: of the MK fans out there who paid attention, who

1874
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: did like the Max Holloway interview, who did like some

1875
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 2: of the stuff that we did.

1876
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 5: What if I roofed your drink to try to get

1877
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 5: you fired so it could be BC and he wanting

1878
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 5: moving forward? That's a that's a good dock storyline.

1879
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 4: More to come on that.

1880
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I wouldn't put it past you. I wouldn't put

1881
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 3: it past you.

1882
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 4: All right.

1883
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: I want to thank again you guys all one more time.

1884
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for watching. Thumbs up hit subscribe for all

1885
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: of us in the room. I'm gonna go take a

1886
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: dump in that toilet.

1887
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 4: That's buying Campbell.

1888
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm Luke Thomas. We appreciate you guys watching. Until next time,

1889
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 3: get some sleep.