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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: Episode number one thirteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
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Speaker 1: We've got an hour of Cowboys Talk for you guys today,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk a little bit about the coaches.
Speaker 1: They met the final the staff has been finalized, and
Speaker 1: they met with the media earlier this week. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about some of the things that stood out as
Speaker 1: we talk to them a little bit later in the show.
Speaker 1: We're also going to get into finishing up ore We've
Speaker 1: been doing this the last two shows, but finishing up
Speaker 1: our evaluation of the free agency market, particularly the Cowboys
Speaker 1: free agents, and and whether the Cowboys shouldn't move on
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Speaker 1: how big, what priority they should be. I think we
Speaker 1: have the secondary left to do, and there are a
Speaker 1: ton of guys in the secondary. They we'll have to
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Speaker 1: Cowboys talk. How's ever ready doing today? Great? Darren? Out
Speaker 1: of breath, just listening to you there. Man, gotta go, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta Well. It feels kind of weird because
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys did a show last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here hanging out. But y'all, yeah, yeah, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all did a show last It's still just where you're
Speaker 1: doing it once a week though, it does. But but
Speaker 1: I'm liking it. Yeah, I'm not playing. I'm liking it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: everybody do it? Yeah? All right, So let's jump in
Speaker 1: earlier this week, the Cowboys coaching staff. The new coaching
Speaker 1: staff on their only two holdovers. I guess if you
Speaker 1: count Leon, that would be three. He counts well, but
Speaker 1: he's not like he's like an assistant position coach. If
Speaker 1: you're thinking, yeah, the coordinators and the position coaches, there two,
Speaker 1: but but Leon is an assistant defensive line coach. But
Speaker 1: three holdovers. Um, So let's go around the table. I
Speaker 1: want you guys just tell me as you were talking
Speaker 1: to the coaches. It could even be a lot that
Speaker 1: you just thought of as at just how the staff
Speaker 1: was put together. But I just want to talk about
Speaker 1: about some of the different things you've noticed, um, that
Speaker 1: that you've you know, that just caught your attention about
Speaker 1: this coaching staff. Let's start with you Nick. I think
Speaker 1: that uh, you know, there's a lot of experience. Obviously
Speaker 1: that that's one thing that stands out the most. But
Speaker 1: I just think it's a good mixture of a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. You've got guys that have been head coaches,
Speaker 1: you have eyes that have been college coaches. In the
Speaker 1: Marissa Linquist, you have um a culture coach pretty much.
Speaker 1: I mean the assistant head coach, Rob Davis is a
Speaker 1: culture coach. I just think it's a it's a good
Speaker 1: mix of a lot of different things that it's not
Speaker 1: this is what we do. That's what we're used to
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, And I think it's just it's just a
Speaker 1: good mixture of of young, old, you know, pro coaches,
Speaker 1: college coaches, just just a lot of different things to
Speaker 1: kind of thrown in here. And I think McCarthy will
Speaker 1: be the right guy. Hopefully he's the he's the guy
Speaker 1: the kind of you know, mixes it all together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's actually I did the math on it. I just
Speaker 1: realized I forgot to include Mike McCarthy in that. So
Speaker 1: it's this staff has one hundred and sixty five combined
Speaker 1: years of NFL coaching experience and throw in McCarthy's fifteen,
Speaker 1: I think, and so well, how to I have no
Speaker 1: last year? I thought last year? No, no, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: what was happen? Think it was probably be half of that.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, Kellen Moore and Colombo, those
Speaker 1: guys are sitting at one. Colombo, you got Keith O'Quinn
Speaker 1: with like less than five years of experience, ms only
Speaker 1: got four or five, two or three. Yeah, it might
Speaker 1: have been way less difference, Yeah, much different. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think they overcorrected. I don't mean
Speaker 1: that in a bad way. They just were like, we're
Speaker 1: going to do the opposite of what we were doing before. Right,
Speaker 1: there's five guys with head coaching NFL head coaching experience. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's another two or three that have been coordinators. Some
Speaker 1: of these guys have had really nice NFL careers. Al
Speaker 1: Harris is a long time starter in the NFL. Really
Speaker 1: good player, by the way, Yeah, a really good players game.
Speaker 1: Leon Lett maybe not on the level that Al Harris was,
Speaker 1: but definitely had a long, you know, a nice NFL career. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he was better than Al Harris, wasn't he
Speaker 1: You think, Well, I don't know Dal Harris ever make
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl. I don't know that. On the top
Speaker 1: of my head. I kind of think he did too.
Speaker 1: He was pretty good player for a while. Well, Al
Speaker 1: Harris didn't have two big blunders on that National TV either.
Speaker 1: The point being is talking about guys with like decade
Speaker 1: long careers, even you know, the lowest guy on the
Speaker 1: Tone Poles probably Scott Tolziene and he played in the
Speaker 1: league for a while. Yeah. So yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the thing that jumps off the page to me. The
Speaker 1: other thing I tweeted that out and a few people
Speaker 1: were like, well, do you worry that that's kind of
Speaker 1: a too many cooks in the kitchen type of situation.
Speaker 1: And I don't think so, because the other thing is like,
Speaker 1: this is going to sound bad, But these are not
Speaker 1: like ascending coaches, you know what I mean. These are
Speaker 1: not guys that are like trying to climb the ladder
Speaker 1: and be the like they've done all that kind of
Speaker 1: like Rob Marinelli. Rob Marinelli's like, I've been there, I've
Speaker 1: done that. I've had some high highs and some really
Speaker 1: low lows, extremely extremely low lows. And I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody here had a low quite on Rod's level. But
Speaker 1: these are, like I said, and that doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: bad coaches, but they've been through the ringer of the
Speaker 1: highs and lows of the NFL coaching experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've all been fired multiple times times, they've had failed
Speaker 1: head coaching stints, and again I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 1: means they're bad coaches, but I think when you've been
Speaker 1: through that, you're a little bit more content to just
Speaker 1: kind of be like, let's let's go with that. You're
Speaker 1: more thankful for the job actually, and you're not just
Speaker 1: doing this looking for your next opportunity so much. Yea,
Speaker 1: And I think that could be a good thing. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there's value in having that experience and knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even want the hit guy, Like I don't
Speaker 1: want to be hit colched anymore. Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to Joe Philbin about that, but maybe
Speaker 1: Joe Philbin is like I really love coaching offensive line,
Speaker 1: Like I've had enough of that hit coaching thing in Miami.
Speaker 1: I'm good if I just coach offensive line from here
Speaker 1: on out. Mike Nolan may be the same way I
Speaker 1: tried it in forty with the forty nine ers. I'm
Speaker 1: just happy being a defensive a defensive coordinator. That's where
Speaker 1: I want to be. And so there's some value in that.
Speaker 1: You look at guys like well, if wait Phillips, they're
Speaker 1: a good example of that. They're just really good coordinators,
Speaker 1: really good position coaches don't necessarily have to be a hitler.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Joe Philbin or Mike Nolan, but
Speaker 1: I can tell you that's how Jim tom Sula came across.
Speaker 1: That's my new favorite guy in the world, by the way.
Speaker 1: He's fun to talk to and he's started like he
Speaker 1: started out the whole thing. He was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: good at this media stuff. I just try to get
Speaker 1: through without cursing. I was like, we're gonna be friends,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's been That's also been the experience.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have added too. Having this, it's
Speaker 1: almost like a breath of fresh air. Again, nothing against
Speaker 1: the guys that were here before, but it's been at
Speaker 1: least three or four coaches that just in our training table,
Speaker 1: which is the area where we go for lunch, I've
Speaker 1: just walked up to me and been like, hey, how
Speaker 1: you doing. My name is whatever? What's your name right?
Speaker 1: It's just there's a there's a there's an openness right now.
Speaker 1: Now that may all change once they start hearing us
Speaker 1: and we kind of going in on him after a
Speaker 1: bad game. But it's been really refreshing. And Tom Sulu
Speaker 1: wasn't a good example that came up. We talked for
Speaker 1: probably about ten minutes, and it's just a nice seems
Speaker 1: like a really really nice guys, just very very down
Speaker 1: to earth. We'll see how well he coaches, but you know,
Speaker 1: so far, I like the guy. It's funny, I'm stealing
Speaker 1: this anecdote from Taylor Stern. But she introduced herself to
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan the other day, and you know, I I
Speaker 1: you know, you get to talk to these guys and
Speaker 1: it's useful and you want to build relationships, but at
Speaker 1: the same time you want to be like respectful and
Speaker 1: give them their distance. And so she introduced herself to
Speaker 1: Nolan and he was like, it's so nice that you
Speaker 1: came up and said something, because like nobody's talking to us,
Speaker 1: like we're like the new kids at school. I was like,
Speaker 1: y'all feel like the dorky, out of place kids at
Speaker 1: school because like I'm just trying to be respectful and
Speaker 1: give it your distance because you're these big time football coaches.
Speaker 1: But like they feel, I guess out of place because
Speaker 1: they just got here. And so yeah, like they're eager
Speaker 1: to get to know people and have conversations. And it
Speaker 1: makes me think, makes me wonder if at other teams
Speaker 1: there's less of the walls that maybe we have here
Speaker 1: where because of our our roles here, absolutely we tend
Speaker 1: to you know, we tend to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more I think forthride in our opinions about the team,
Speaker 1: which could you know, create that kind of distance. Not
Speaker 1: only that, but I think, I mean, I think this
Speaker 1: is a rare instance of like an NFL building where
Speaker 1: like the completely non football staff intermingles with the football staff,
Speaker 1: Like and we don't really count, right because like we
Speaker 1: do media, we interview these guys, but like you know,
Speaker 1: the accountants and the lawyers are down there getting lunch
Speaker 1: next to the coaches and players. I don't think that
Speaker 1: happens in a lot of buildings. Amber. What struck you
Speaker 1: about this coaching staff? Well, you know I always talk
Speaker 1: about me trying to analyze people and looking at them
Speaker 1: their behavior, how they move, where they look, and all
Speaker 1: these things, and this is I mean, it's fun because
Speaker 1: I can't figure it out, Like I don't know how
Speaker 1: it all comes together, which is exciting, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, the unknown. It's the unknown, like it could
Speaker 1: go either way, but it's still fun to kind of
Speaker 1: see all these different guys, different ages, different kinds of
Speaker 1: experiences to come together and build something new, something that
Speaker 1: how do you say, he's them fassilas Fossil or Fassi
Speaker 1: right Fossil? Okay, Well him, I think I really like
Speaker 1: what he said during his interview. One of the things.
Speaker 1: You know, you keep wondering how they're gonna make this
Speaker 1: Special Teams better from what we've seen in the past years.
Speaker 1: And something he didn't necessarily go into full details. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not really going to get into all that, but
Speaker 1: once something that I liked hearing is the fact of
Speaker 1: just making the players feel important, making them feel like
Speaker 1: day don't necessarily get to choose their own players. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to work when it comes to Special Teams.
Speaker 1: You have to work with what you already got in
Speaker 1: the roster. So being able to have that kind of
Speaker 1: mentality and being like, you know what, my plan here
Speaker 1: is to start fresh, clean and just make sure that
Speaker 1: these players feel like they're important, they are their starters
Speaker 1: in Special Teams. So that kind of mentality I really
Speaker 1: really like to hear. Yeah, he was really that was
Speaker 1: a refreshing interview. You know. I asked him a bunch
Speaker 1: of questions there about that, and he, you know, he
Speaker 1: said what she just said, But you know, hey, it
Speaker 1: you you matter. It's a third a third a third
Speaker 1: in McCarty. He goes, Mike McCarthy told me that Special
Speaker 1: Teams is absolutely on the same levels offense defense. He goes.
Speaker 1: That's all I needed to hear, So that sounds good.
Speaker 1: I just hope that when it comes down to free
Speaker 1: agency draft things like that, that you're drafting that way
Speaker 1: and he can get the guys that he wants and
Speaker 1: more important than cuts, like that's the part where it
Speaker 1: becomes a big deal is when you start making those cuts,
Speaker 1: are you factoring in how's this affecting your special teams?
Speaker 1: That's the part that really it's always like the receiver.
Speaker 1: It's that fifth guy that's like he's a young receiver
Speaker 1: and then receivers coaches like he's going to develop. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but he can't recover a punt. Ventell Bryant can do that. Now,
Speaker 1: Well that veteran guy. Yeah, that guy you're trying to
Speaker 1: keep around and he's your third or fourth guy, but
Speaker 1: he's not gonna help you on special teams. He can't
Speaker 1: play special teams. Yeah, I got it like that. Yeah, Dave,
Speaker 1: tell me something that you heard from one of the
Speaker 1: coaches that that really stood out to you. I spent
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, I spent a long time talking to Jim
Speaker 1: tom Sula. Um nah, No, he's fun to which I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's kind of it's been a trend. I mean,
Speaker 1: McCarthy's been saying it is, like, you know, they're just
Speaker 1: not buying into this hype about like four three verse
Speaker 1: three four. So then and that was a big part.
Speaker 1: He had this whole spiel, you know, Tom Seula had
Speaker 1: this whole spiel. Nick really loved it. He's like, if
Speaker 1: you're weak, if you're strong side defensive end, stands up,
Speaker 1: you're playing three four And if he puts his hand
Speaker 1: in the dirt, you're playing four three. Like, it's really
Speaker 1: not it's not that right. He's like, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of true. Which but honestly, that wasn't even
Speaker 1: the thing that jumped out to me the most. Um.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I really loved hearing him say,
Speaker 1: ed Warder was asking him about, um, you know, how
Speaker 1: do you rotate your guys? That was the thing that
Speaker 1: it was a source of consternation all last season. And remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was the Eagles game or d Law
Speaker 1: and Quinn were like on the sideline and crunch time.
Speaker 1: Tom Seula was like, Yeah, I love rotating my guys.
Speaker 1: If all of them can play. If I look out
Speaker 1: there and it looks different then we got problems, which
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, And he was like he was like
Speaker 1: my first He's like my first year in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He's like, we had four guys that could rush, And
Speaker 1: I told him like, if you tap your helmet, I'm
Speaker 1: looking the other way, like I'm not letting you come out.
Speaker 1: And if you got a problem with that, you can
Speaker 1: talk to the guys behind you and help them work
Speaker 1: their game up, because otherwise you're not coming out. We'll
Speaker 1: see if that actually we'll see that love it. We'll
Speaker 1: see if it actually plays out that way. But it
Speaker 1: was fun to hear. Yeah. It's funny how just being
Speaker 1: vocal about something like that can make a difference in
Speaker 1: our perceptions, you know, how you perceive things, because it
Speaker 1: could have been the same way last year, even though
Speaker 1: they weren't doing it on the field, But just admitting
Speaker 1: that or saying something like that, it makes you feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you feel better, regardless of what the outcome is, but
Speaker 1: it makes you feel better. Just like Mike McCarthy when
Speaker 1: he came up here and did his first press conference,
Speaker 1: just hearing him being so vocal about things and you're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just the person, you know, just what
Speaker 1: Anna do with my hands, I mean, just stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean just yeah, and I think you're seeing the
Speaker 1: personality of some of these guys. But that part right
Speaker 1: there is very very good to hear, just because there
Speaker 1: was so many times last year when it just felt
Speaker 1: like third, you know, this is the third rotation, you know,
Speaker 1: and they got a punt back to the eight yard line,
Speaker 1: so it's first and ten back at the eight and
Speaker 1: the crowd's getting involved. This is where you have a
Speaker 1: chance to really pin them back, and it's like, why
Speaker 1: is it Armstrong, Hyder, Tristan Hill and Bennett here? Like
Speaker 1: why is these the four? Like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: let's get a safety. Yeah, and they went ninety two
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, so that didn't really matter, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he I mean Tom Speueler probably taught like the average
Speaker 1: these interviews averaged probably I don't know, ten to twelve
Speaker 1: minutes a piece, Like they weren't these super depth things,
Speaker 1: but I mean Tom Sewela talked for like twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: It was awesome, and I was just like, thank god
Speaker 1: we had extra people because I kind of like I
Speaker 1: looked around, I was like do I need to be
Speaker 1: somewhere else, and everybody else had a cover, So I
Speaker 1: was like, cool, because I don't really want to leave.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand right here and talk to Jim tom
Speaker 1: Sewel you guys talk to me a little bit about
Speaker 1: Rob Davis. That's an interesting you mentioned it a little earlier.
Speaker 1: He's a guy's coming in. He as the title of
Speaker 1: assistant head coach. It's more of a culture coach. Met
Speaker 1: him down in the training table. He's just talking about
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that they're that they're wanting to do,
Speaker 1: And it was really fascinating to me because I haven't
Speaker 1: really heard Maybe there are other guys like this around
Speaker 1: the league, but I hadn't really heard of other teams
Speaker 1: that had a position quite like this, and especially a
Speaker 1: position like this that has the title of assistant head coach.
Speaker 1: Talking about what you've heard from him and just about
Speaker 1: what you think this position will be that it's really
Speaker 1: tough to kind of figure that out. He was asked
Speaker 1: that question several times about you know, I guess the
Speaker 1: line from the movie Office Space, like what would you say?
Speaker 1: What would you say? You do here? Like he asked
Speaker 1: that question. Now it was several different people, you know,
Speaker 1: just in a in a nice way, like so what
Speaker 1: are you gonna be doing? But he did talk about
Speaker 1: culture a lot and and kind of coaching the coaches,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I'll get on the XS and
Speaker 1: os if I need to, I help the special teams
Speaker 1: if I need to. But I think that you know,
Speaker 1: his his what he's gonna do is is really like
Speaker 1: any assistant head coach is gonna be kind of the
Speaker 1: guy that eyes and ears a little bit for McCarthy,
Speaker 1: but I think he'll do it in a way where
Speaker 1: he's a part of the team and not like that
Speaker 1: that assistant that's like, you know, running to the coach
Speaker 1: and every time you see something you didn't like, is that?
Speaker 1: Is it more kind of managing just the culture of
Speaker 1: what's going on around If a little you know, thing
Speaker 1: kind of rears up over here, you kind of go
Speaker 1: and handle it right, you know. And as and as
Speaker 1: is the case when you've got fifty three men on
Speaker 1: your team and you got a coaching staff of what,
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen eighteen guys, You're going to have disagreement.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have things that kind of flare up here
Speaker 1: and there is that kind of the role that you're expecting.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I mean we've we've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of things, like from a player development standpoint as well.
Speaker 1: You know that those are some of the things that
Speaker 1: he's going to be doing. So and they have a
Speaker 1: staff already in place that does that. So I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be working with a lot of different departments
Speaker 1: here me reading between the every team in the league
Speaker 1: has these guys like football ops guys. They schedule things,
Speaker 1: they help players with off the field stuff. They you know,
Speaker 1: he's the I feel like fixer has a negative connotation.
Speaker 1: I don't mean for it too, but he's just like
Speaker 1: he's gonna he'll handle whatever issue comes up that a
Speaker 1: player might need that's not football and nick, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have people in place. Every team in the
Speaker 1: league has that. Me reading between the lines, I think
Speaker 1: it's just like McCarthy was like, oh, we already have
Speaker 1: that staff. Cool, Well, I want him anyway, and I'll
Speaker 1: do what I gotta do to get him here. And
Speaker 1: so he's got this kind of unorthodox position, which doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter. It's just funny to meet. McCarthy's like, that's
Speaker 1: great that these guys are here, and that's awesome and
Speaker 1: they can help us too, But I'm bringing my guy
Speaker 1: in like that's how I read it. One of the
Speaker 1: things he said to me that I thought stood out
Speaker 1: was he said, this isn't gonna be part of my
Speaker 1: job make sure guys are held accountable. Which it's great.
Speaker 1: That's great something theybody who is who's primarily responsible for
Speaker 1: making sure that people are being held accountable to whatever
Speaker 1: it is that they're supposed to be doing. I think
Speaker 1: that's a great role to have on a football team. Again,
Speaker 1: of that MANI players that many coaches. It's good to
Speaker 1: have somebody just overall looking at accountability across the entire
Speaker 1: you know, Mike McCarthy said something a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But it's all about the locker room. The locker rooms.
Speaker 1: The important part here is is how these players and
Speaker 1: how they handle things. And here's a quote from from
Speaker 1: Rob Davis that Johnny Opping wrote on our site. The
Speaker 1: quote from Rob says, the NFL can provide a lot
Speaker 1: of distractions for these young men coming into the league.
Speaker 1: Most of us come from humble beginnings, middle class all
Speaker 1: the way down to poverty, and sometimes this be pretty
Speaker 1: big for us when we walk into the NFL. So
Speaker 1: he says, they're gonna do the XS and os. I
Speaker 1: hope to provide assistance with both xs and os, but
Speaker 1: more importantly in the life and development of the whole player.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So that's I don't know if that's vague
Speaker 1: or not. We're still trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: what it means. But I mean it's good. I mean,
Speaker 1: and just talking to him. You've talked to him, and
Speaker 1: I've talked to him. I mean, it seems like a
Speaker 1: good guy and a good role for what they're doing here. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go and take our first break. When
Speaker 1: we come back. We're gonna move into our talk about
Speaker 1: free agency before we do, though, Nick, I did want
Speaker 1: to hit you one more time. You had you had
Speaker 1: an interesting thing you told me about a conversation you
Speaker 1: have with a new wide receiver coach Adam Henry. We'll
Speaker 1: hit that when we come right back. Then we'll jump
Speaker 1: into free agency. We'll do that when we come back.
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Speaker 1: Back to the break Welcome back. We're in the second
Speaker 1: segment of the Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: studios at the Star. We're talking about some of the
Speaker 1: coaches and the new coaching staff. Nick. Before we went
Speaker 1: to break, I wanted you to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about at Henry. Yeah, the wide receivers coach. He said,
Speaker 1: you had an interesting conversation with him, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was some interesting things he told you. I haven't
Speaker 1: written that story yet. But but the thing that he
Speaker 1: said that that kind of stood out the most is
Speaker 1: it's very cliche for coaches to say, you know, oh
Speaker 1: this guy right here, I mean, the players love him.
Speaker 1: He's a player's coach. He flat out said, I am
Speaker 1: not a player's coach. I am not a player's coach.
Speaker 1: I'm a coach's coach. And then okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: And he said, basically, what it means is that I
Speaker 1: want the players to to, you know, fall in line
Speaker 1: with what we're doing as our staff. And this is
Speaker 1: what we're asking of you. We want you to come
Speaker 1: into this system and be you know, do things the
Speaker 1: right way, run the right routes, you know, learn all
Speaker 1: of these things we're trying to teach you. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be your best friend. I am your coach.
Speaker 1: And so if that means that I am not a
Speaker 1: player's coach, fine, I am your coach. And so he
Speaker 1: was he was like, that doesn't mean that we can't
Speaker 1: have a good relationship and you can't you know, we
Speaker 1: can't respect each other. But I don't like the term
Speaker 1: players coach. I'm a coaches coach and you're the player.
Speaker 1: Which that's interesting because Adam Henry twice twice coached Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham and Jarvis Landry, who I don't know that either
Speaker 1: one of them has a reputation for being easy to coach,
Speaker 1: and they both adore him. So yeah, absolutely, I think.
Speaker 1: But you know something, I think sometimes people people tend
Speaker 1: to adore people that well, I shouldn't say like that.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes players they they really like coaches who
Speaker 1: they know they would always give them the unadulterated truth,
Speaker 1: and that comes along with being that coaches coaches you're not.
Speaker 1: You don't care who they are, what their profile is.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna coach you, and I'm gonna coach
Speaker 1: you hard. And I think players sometimes respect And we've
Speaker 1: seen this firsthand here. Sometimes somebody of leadership can come
Speaker 1: into a situation they don't really know them, and you
Speaker 1: kind of set the ground rules and you come you
Speaker 1: come across very blunt. We were on a conference call
Speaker 1: at training camp one time about this, yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like, this is how things are supposed to be
Speaker 1: and where everybody's like, who's this guy? And this isn't fun,
Speaker 1: you know, And then ever since then you're trying to
Speaker 1: get to that level and you realize that it was
Speaker 1: a plan. Yeah, there was a plan in place, and
Speaker 1: he got you know, so that might be this might
Speaker 1: be part of the plan. I'm not a player's coach,
Speaker 1: I'm your coach. And then you know, like, okay, I
Speaker 1: respect that. And then every time it's I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it's not real. It's just you got these guys
Speaker 1: building it up to that expectation. In reality, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what he's wanting you to do. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like when you're in when you're in grade school,
Speaker 1: Like the teacher that first day school establishes a fact
Speaker 1: I'm running this classroom and we're gonna do it my way.
Speaker 1: You kind of deal with that teacher a little different
Speaker 1: for the rest of that year than the teacher that
Speaker 1: comes in and says, hey, guys, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: fun class. Like, you probably have a little different way
Speaker 1: that you'll deal with that teacher because of how they
Speaker 1: set things up at the beginning and what your expectations
Speaker 1: are of them. Remember grade school, Yeah, has it been
Speaker 1: that long for you? Yeah? Yeah, it has. It's been
Speaker 1: longer for you, has it? Which is funny because Okay,
Speaker 1: like two years ago, I'd be like, yes, this is
Speaker 1: what this receiver room needs. Got Dez, Terrence and Beasley
Speaker 1: like this is a nightmare. I don't really, I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know how hard Adam Henry is
Speaker 1: gonna have to work to win that room over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do think this if you, if you're one
Speaker 1: of the people that ascribes to the belief that amar
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper needs more priding, needs more, pushing, needs more, Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody to drive him, then maybe you look at this
Speaker 1: and say, maybe you'll get every ounce of what you
Speaker 1: think you can get out of Amari Cooper by having
Speaker 1: somebody who is a hard, hard coach, somebody that really
Speaker 1: pushes him hard, you might get a better player than
Speaker 1: somebody that just maybe coddles him. I'm not saying I
Speaker 1: don't know if if sanje Lyle coddled him or not.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. What I'm saying is, though having
Speaker 1: that hard coach might be a better thing for somebody
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe he said he didn't say this, but
Speaker 1: maybe he's got the same thing as Tom Seweler about
Speaker 1: the rotation. You know, I should have asked him that
Speaker 1: like fourth and eight with the season seasons on the line,
Speaker 1: like would you like the best players of who are
Speaker 1: you gonna put out there? Yeah, that would have been
Speaker 1: a good question. You're right, well, you have plenty of
Speaker 1: time we do to go back around and get that
Speaker 1: question answered. All right, let's move let's talk about free agency.
Speaker 1: We've been going through this thing. We've we've gone through
Speaker 1: the offense now, we've gone through the specialists, and we've
Speaker 1: gone through the defensive line. We got about halfway through
Speaker 1: the linebackers last time. The question really is is the
Speaker 1: guy a priority free agent, the guy that you have
Speaker 1: to sign. Is he a guy that you keep if
Speaker 1: you know, if things can work out, or is he
Speaker 1: a guy you just let walk because you feel like
Speaker 1: his time here is done? All right, So let's let's
Speaker 1: move on with the linebackers. Let's talk about Malcolm Smith.
Speaker 1: He got here what round week ten, eleven, fifteen sixteen?
Speaker 1: Oh is that late? Played two games? Played two games? Okay?
Speaker 1: How he played Eagles and it sounds right based on that.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on him? Do you think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys should look at bringing him back or do you
Speaker 1: think you just kind of let him walk? You know,
Speaker 1: this thing is always tough because there's a new coaching
Speaker 1: staff here, so we were always able to answer things
Speaker 1: of like this is the type of player that he
Speaker 1: likes or he likes it. So we're still trying to
Speaker 1: figure that out. Um. But the type of player, if
Speaker 1: they're saying what they said all along, is that I
Speaker 1: like a certain type of football player, the type of
Speaker 1: guy that can that can get off the couch and
Speaker 1: go play two games like he did and play pretty well.
Speaker 1: I think that he showed some signs of something that
Speaker 1: you can work with there, So you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's a big game player. He's a Super Bowl MVP. Um,
Speaker 1: he's had some decent years. I think he I think
Speaker 1: he's a guy I would try to bring back at
Speaker 1: me at least for numbers, but more than anything special teams.
Speaker 1: I is he a guy that can play special teams
Speaker 1: If that's what John Fossil's looking for, then yes, because
Speaker 1: that your backup linebacker's got to have the experience to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, everything he just said, I mean, I
Speaker 1: would like to think you could sign him for a
Speaker 1: very very low price. And if that's the case, then
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I'd love to have him as my fifth
Speaker 1: or sixth linebacker for me, any of those guys um
Speaker 1: in the linebacker positions, I would like to see what
Speaker 1: else is available during free agency, Like that would be
Speaker 1: a position where I would be I would like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to get somebody else in free agency rather than
Speaker 1: just signing your own if obviously that person is better
Speaker 1: than what you've got currently. That's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually I agree with that. I'd rather Fossil get get
Speaker 1: a guy in here. If that's his guy, fine, I
Speaker 1: doubt it, though. I'd rather Fossil get his linebacker that
Speaker 1: he's played against for special teams for my backup linebacker,
Speaker 1: kind of like Besotia did with those guys. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's I mean, yeah, I guess i'd probably bet
Speaker 1: against it. But I mean, but again, like what level
Speaker 1: of free agent are you talking about here, Like you're
Speaker 1: gonna go after Danny Trevathan, Corey Littleton or Van Noy. No,
Speaker 1: you're not going to spend that kind of names. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and so like you're getting I mean, you're going down
Speaker 1: the line. But The thing you consider here is you
Speaker 1: got four guys of your eight linebackers that want the roster.
Speaker 1: For those guys are free agents this year, unrestricted free agents.
Speaker 1: The only guys you got left or Christian Covington, Luke Gifford,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, and Layton vander Esher exactly. And that's my point, like,
Speaker 1: do you do you feel like you need to have
Speaker 1: some of these, like at least one or two of
Speaker 1: these guys needs to be a priority, just for the
Speaker 1: sake of some consistency. Yeah, and just for the solid
Speaker 1: guy that's true consistency with what like the scheme's changing,
Speaker 1: that's McCarthy say. He's like defense is going to be
Speaker 1: a departure. So is there consistency in the sense that
Speaker 1: like we know their names and know what they can
Speaker 1: and can't do? I guess, But does that matter to them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? I doubt it. Yeah, I think that it
Speaker 1: might be a sneaky need of some for some depth
Speaker 1: of those guys that can play as starters, because you
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen with Sean. How concernn are
Speaker 1: you with Layton Ender? I mean they keep saying and
Speaker 1: he it's expected to have a full recovery and it's
Speaker 1: going to be fine and ready to go for the offseason.
Speaker 1: But are you guys feeling my concern level as a seven?
Speaker 1: If ten is like oh my god, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the worst thing ever, and one being like,
Speaker 1: no problem, I'm a seven. I think I put myself
Speaker 1: closer to like a five, Like I don't. I'm just
Speaker 1: being never never take them at face value that everything
Speaker 1: is perfect. But also I'm not just convinced that he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to like player. Let me let me,
Speaker 1: let me preface that my my comfort level with the position,
Speaker 1: or my level of concern for the position is a
Speaker 1: seven because there's nothing really behind there because he you're
Speaker 1: asking him to do so many things and then he's
Speaker 1: got a neck injury and Dayalen Smith, yes, he made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I think there's some there's definitely some
Speaker 1: issues in his game when it comes to pass coverage.
Speaker 1: That's what they that's the number one thing they have
Speaker 1: to figure out. Linebackers and my need to figure out
Speaker 1: what can we do with Jalen Smith to make him
Speaker 1: like a dynamic player because I think he's a good player.
Speaker 1: He gets a bad rap if he was off of
Speaker 1: social media, we would have a different opinion. We have
Speaker 1: a different opinion. I agree with he's he's not a
Speaker 1: bad player at all. I agree with that. It's just
Speaker 1: I still think he's a liability and coverage though, Like
Speaker 1: if without any of that, I still think people would
Speaker 1: have said he had a disappointing season. But I think
Speaker 1: you could be a really great linebacker in this league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if you're not great in coma. I've seen really
Speaker 1: good linebackers and leagues aren't great in coverage. You just committed.
Speaker 1: You just well, basically what you have to do is
Speaker 1: you just have to change what their role is. Like
Speaker 1: what we do know of him, he's a really good
Speaker 1: pass rusher, so maybe you find ways to have him pass,
Speaker 1: you know, rushing in those kinds of situations more frequently
Speaker 1: than you have him backing out and in I feel
Speaker 1: like I was more upset than excited this year when
Speaker 1: I saw him playing as far as the things that
Speaker 1: he was doing on the field, Like from what I remember,
Speaker 1: just in general, I feel like he would do things
Speaker 1: that would upset me more than get me on my feet,
Speaker 1: like oh yes, let me tweet out Jal in between
Speaker 1: the whistles or after the whistles, Well that kind of
Speaker 1: kind of both, kind of both. I'm trying to keep
Speaker 1: that whole other thing separate from the actual plane. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were times that I guess it's it just ties
Speaker 1: together because he carries himself as, oh, I'm so good
Speaker 1: and this and that, and then when you see him
Speaker 1: making even little mistakes, it's like, Okay, you should be
Speaker 1: playing better. So I guess it just it kind of
Speaker 1: goes hand in hand when it comes to that, because
Speaker 1: if he wasn't like that, I think I would be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not that bad. But because we have a certain
Speaker 1: perception of him, it makes you feel or think that
Speaker 1: he should be playing at this other level. So we're
Speaker 1: not seeing Christian Covington, Luke Gifford, Jalen Smith, and Layton
Speaker 1: vander Esher under conto before. Yeah, I really hope Sean
Speaker 1: Lee decides to come back for another season. That would
Speaker 1: be awesome. Let John Fossil and Mike Nolan and decide
Speaker 1: on a journeyman type of guy to sign, and if
Speaker 1: they want to draft a guy with a not crazy
Speaker 1: high pick that sounds great to me. Let's roll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say this I kind of fall in between
Speaker 1: the two of you guys on Layton. And it's not
Speaker 1: so much that I don't believe he will be able
Speaker 1: to come back and resume his career, no problem. What
Speaker 1: I am concerned about is this is a neck injury
Speaker 1: that started back in college that now was a problem. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't trust the future. That's by issue is it's
Speaker 1: not so much him coming back and he may come
Speaker 1: back and have a great next year and a great
Speaker 1: even year after that. My question is is this going
Speaker 1: to be something that is going to crop up two
Speaker 1: or three years from now. I don't know that. And
Speaker 1: again I've never heard anything like that. But next and
Speaker 1: backs aren't like those are the kinds of things that
Speaker 1: I've had. Next surgery, it doesn't. You don't always feel
Speaker 1: better even after the surgery, and you never you I know,
Speaker 1: for me, I'm not back to normal. So it's that's
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I just wonder in the future, what
Speaker 1: is this? What is he? And how to that? Nick Field,
Speaker 1: You're right, and I'm I love to say hope is
Speaker 1: not a strategy, but like it's I mean, what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do, It's not. Are you at a point where
Speaker 1: you need to do something drastic. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, might be the difference of the linebacker that
Speaker 1: you sign, the journeyman or the guy, the Danny Trevathian guy,
Speaker 1: something like that. That's been a starter and could could be.
Speaker 1: That's why I want Sean leeback. Yeah, because that I
Speaker 1: can do that on a discount, which at like, I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to spend major resources ie first, second or
Speaker 1: third round pick or pay a guy starter money, because
Speaker 1: that's expensive. It's really I mean, it could be really expensive.
Speaker 1: What did job rolls go up when he said you
Speaker 1: can do it on discount? Were you worried about whether
Speaker 1: you can do that on discount? Well, the discount wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Then he cut his salary down to three million. It
Speaker 1: was a discount from seven million. Yeah, but are you
Speaker 1: going to get it again? How much money is Sean
Speaker 1: Lee going to command? With his injury history and his age.
Speaker 1: He's says, let's run it back three million again. That's
Speaker 1: not that's three millions not cheap you and Pam three
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, are you kidding me? Top
Speaker 1: of the top of the million, we've been around top
Speaker 1: of the line linebacker? The play is costing you sixteen
Speaker 1: million a year in this day and age. So if
Speaker 1: you tell me I can get Sean Lee for less
Speaker 1: than less than one quarter of that salary, maybe you can't.
Speaker 1: Though I'd pay him up to like five or six
Speaker 1: if you one year deal. Yeah, I do that. He's
Speaker 1: the one guy that I would see him being like, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm down. If we're being real, it would probably be
Speaker 1: like three with incentives to hit up to a certain
Speaker 1: number if you hit snap counts and all that type
Speaker 1: of stuff, which again I'm okay with. For sure, I'm
Speaker 1: certainly okay with I just I'm not so if Layton. Sorry,
Speaker 1: if Layton has another issue like this next year, then
Speaker 1: it's time to really think about what you're gonna do
Speaker 1: for the future. But right now, it's like when you
Speaker 1: see a crack in the foundation of your house, like
Speaker 1: you're gonna level the thing, or you're gonna try to
Speaker 1: fix it first before you sell the house, or bulldoze
Speaker 1: it and build it over again. I think I think
Speaker 1: the whole part about this three four and four to three,
Speaker 1: and you know, they're just trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: scheme that fits with the players, and I think it
Speaker 1: all revolves around Jalen Smith because I think he is
Speaker 1: a unique player that there's a good role for him.
Speaker 1: They have to figure that out, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a domino effect that will affect other things. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, Jalen Smith should be playing in a traditional
Speaker 1: three four. I could see him being right in the
Speaker 1: middle of the defense where you don't have to cover
Speaker 1: as much and you're taking on blocks and he's big
Speaker 1: and he can handle that. Or he's a three four
Speaker 1: rusher that can rush from the outside. I think he's
Speaker 1: a better fit in a three four scheme, And maybe
Speaker 1: they're going to do some different maneuvering around to fit
Speaker 1: some things. And you've seen him have success when rushing,
Speaker 1: you know and creating some pressure, so he's shown you
Speaker 1: that he can do that and be good at it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think he goes back to
Speaker 1: what he does well he is. I think he is
Speaker 1: a good straight line runner. If he has point A
Speaker 1: to point B and he has to get there, I
Speaker 1: think he can do that well. I think change of
Speaker 1: direction is tough for him. I think lateral movement can
Speaker 1: be tough for him, at least in what we've seen
Speaker 1: so far. So figure out ways to more often than not,
Speaker 1: have him running straight line, running from this point to
Speaker 1: that point. And I think he'll be fine. I think
Speaker 1: he'll be a really good player. But the more you
Speaker 1: got him out in coverage, the more he's having to
Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, kind of change the direct. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what he's best suited for. I
Speaker 1: just don't. He's become kind of a punchline a little bit.
Speaker 1: And you know that happens to players the law all
Speaker 1: the time, and it first, it happens after you get
Speaker 1: a contract. I mean, Brandon Carr was that way. I
Speaker 1: mean Terrence Knewhan became that way. Yeah, it happens, and
Speaker 1: you kind of forget the fact that you know, you
Speaker 1: got paid because you're really a good football player. They
Speaker 1: just got to figure out ways to make him a
Speaker 1: good player. And you know, if he's making a lot
Speaker 1: of good plays, people will be they'll be swiping in
Speaker 1: their living rooms, you know, cheering him on. Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: That's a that's got to be like a top three
Speaker 1: priority for this coaching staff for sure, making sure he's
Speaker 1: used the best way possible before we go to our
Speaker 1: final break. Let's real quick Joe Thomas. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Joe Thomas? If he I mean, I'd be
Speaker 1: happy to sign him back. I think that's he did.
Speaker 1: He did more for this team than Malcolm Smith. But
Speaker 1: I think it's similar to that, is like, how do
Speaker 1: the coaches feel about him? Is there a guy available
Speaker 1: that they like more because they're more familiar with him?
Speaker 1: I didn't have to stay healthy enough for a guy
Speaker 1: they didn't play enough. It didn't seem like he was
Speaker 1: always kind of hurt, but not every ads ad inural
Speaker 1: problems and he's got the always got the four to
Speaker 1: six week injuries seem like. But but man, he's a
Speaker 1: hitter though, I mean, he's a he's a good guy
Speaker 1: to have on on special teams if if if the roles.
Speaker 1: At this point, we just need healthy guys in that position.
Speaker 1: You don't need to add somebody else that's dealing with
Speaker 1: What's a great point actually because of all of because
Speaker 1: like you said, their question walks with all those guys,
Speaker 1: I would I would opt for the guy that is
Speaker 1: so steady and healthy, and yeah, that's why I won.
Speaker 1: Is my fifth linebacker round, so I want is my
Speaker 1: sixth line But I want these guys to be just
Speaker 1: just guys. I know we're going to be healthy and available.
Speaker 1: It would probably it would probably make people mad because
Speaker 1: Layton's here, Jalen's here, Shaun Lee might be back. But
Speaker 1: like Draft one, in the fourth round, that's where they
Speaker 1: got Hitchens, That's where they got Wilson. Can contribute right away.
Speaker 1: You can play special teams. You could go there playing
Speaker 1: on the last I checked, which and I'm like, Hitchens
Speaker 1: is playing pretty well. They drafted Hitchens to be that
Speaker 1: guy and he had to step in and start right away.
Speaker 1: So like you can get that kind of upside. That's
Speaker 1: like the sweet spot for where I would love to
Speaker 1: drive and just you guess you gotta churn that production.
Speaker 1: It's like running back. Like linebackers, you can't expect them
Speaker 1: to be at the top of their game. I mean,
Speaker 1: Luke Keikley just retired at twenty eight. Just keep churning
Speaker 1: the talent at that position. You know, there's seven former
Speaker 1: Cowboys going to be playing in the Super Bowl, so
Speaker 1: disciplined six she's great for them, for them. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize this till the other day that Mike Webber the
Speaker 1: draft picked from Ohio State running back very much under.
Speaker 1: He's on the Chiefs practice squad. We'll get a ring
Speaker 1: if they went they picked him, they picked him up
Speaker 1: and you can do after the season ended or two
Speaker 1: put on their practice squad. So he's yeah, good friend,
Speaker 1: you want to dive into the players. They're one of
Speaker 1: their starting cornerbacks. Is a guy that Cowboys traded for
Speaker 1: a ham sandwich? Do we want to do that various? Well,
Speaker 1: to have that conversation we don't have. He's this daughter,
Speaker 1: he's a starter and is playing well. How much better
Speaker 1: would you feel about this team's cornerback situation if Charvarius here,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that problem right now. They literally
Speaker 1: traded him for a guy that never played a regular
Speaker 1: season snap here, Okay, let's take our final break. We're
Speaker 1: gonna come back and we're gonna talk about this secondary
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Speaker 1: we're talking free agency here. Later in the show, before
Speaker 1: we end, I'm gonna nail these guys down on their
Speaker 1: predictions for the Super Bowl as well. So it makes
Speaker 1: you get those ready, makes sure you stay tuned to
Speaker 1: hear what Amber and Dave and Nick have to say
Speaker 1: about what they think is gonna happen this Sunday. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's get back into this. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of guys in the secondary who are unrestricted free agents
Speaker 1: this year. Let me read off the list, and I think,
Speaker 1: what we'll do, since we only have one segment, only
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, think what we'll do is we'll kind of
Speaker 1: take this as a group and you guys can kind
Speaker 1: of pick and choose the guys you think and the
Speaker 1: guys you think you kind of let go. You can
Speaker 1: put them kind of in groups. All right, So you've
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown who was an unrestricted free agent. You've
Speaker 1: got Cavon Frasier, CJ. Goodwin, Jeff Heath, Byron Jones, Darien Thompson,
Speaker 1: all unrestricted free agents this year. You have an exclusive
Speaker 1: rights free agent in Jamill Showers and a restrictive free
Speaker 1: agent that's Meal Showers. Is your list wrong, Dave, that's
Speaker 1: not my That came straight from Cowboys PR says that
Speaker 1: Deonte Burton is also a restricted free agent. I guess
Speaker 1: with the guys, maybe they might they might have Jamil's
Speaker 1: rights because he because he retired, he's not he hasn't
Speaker 1: played all year. He's not coming back, all right, So
Speaker 1: that all being said, giants talk to me about those
Speaker 1: safeties and cornerbacks. I guess let's start first with the cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: You got Byron Jones and you've got Anthony Brown. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you think the Cowboys should do with their
Speaker 1: with their cornerback position? With these unrestricted free agents? It
Speaker 1: was hard not to read into Will mcclay's comments about
Speaker 1: Byron at the Senior Bowl, which, like I mean, to
Speaker 1: some degree, there's only so much he can say. He's
Speaker 1: not the owner or technically the general manager. But we
Speaker 1: asked him about Byron and he was like, he's a
Speaker 1: starting caliber corner and we like him a lot. We'll
Speaker 1: see if he fits in our plans. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: that is hardly a glowing endorsement of an All Pro.
Speaker 1: How about Mike Nolan? That was what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Those are interesting. He said that he wasn't talking about
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, not really, but he talked about Troy Aikman
Speaker 1: used to say, I'm not worried about throwing at cornerbacks
Speaker 1: that aren't going to catch the ball. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: knock it down, I'll fine. I'll throw him complete passes
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm worried about Dion and those guys
Speaker 1: catching and taking it back. So if you're just gonna
Speaker 1: knock the ball down. I ain't worried about you. I
Speaker 1: looked over and I was like, Byron Jones, that's not good.
Speaker 1: So he's not worried about guys that knocked the ball down.
Speaker 1: And it's been two years. Is that? I think he
Speaker 1: had one last year one and it was like on
Speaker 1: a hail mary because the problem last year and then
Speaker 1: we were talking about he didn't then enterteen nineteen and
Speaker 1: he's got like two for his whole career. I know
Speaker 1: that one of him was to deflect against the Redskins
Speaker 1: for a touchdown and another one was like on a
Speaker 1: hail mary at the end of the first half. That
Speaker 1: it really you know, it would have been a turnover
Speaker 1: on downs anyway, he doesn't. But if that's the priority,
Speaker 1: then he hasn't had one since twenty seventeen. Is that
Speaker 1: the right way to look at it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he covers, he covers really well. He covers well.
Speaker 1: He he stays relatively healthy. I mean, I know he
Speaker 1: got banged up a little bit, he stays healthy, and um,
Speaker 1: he's a good, good guy to have miss the game.
Speaker 1: Did he maybe at the end of the year, maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: DATILASKI did. I don't remember red skinning game, but I
Speaker 1: he checks the boxes in a lot of ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just not the turnover he covers. Well, he's got
Speaker 1: really good size, good speed, good attitude, I mean good.
Speaker 1: I think he's a leader. I think he's he does
Speaker 1: everything the right way. Um, he just doesn't get turnovers.
Speaker 1: But I could live with that. But it's like, are
Speaker 1: you realistically are you gonna have two corners that are
Speaker 1: that talented to the point where they are playmakers and
Speaker 1: getting turnovers and all that, Like if you have one,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have like one of those. You know you're
Speaker 1: not gonna have two players like that in your second day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't have any, but bring somebody else. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the rest of the cornerback and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: they don't even knocked the ball down, So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do. You're saying, I don't value the guy
Speaker 1: that at least knocked the ball down and created incompletion.
Speaker 1: So are you didn't gonna replace him with a guy
Speaker 1: that doesn't even knock the ball down? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I'd rather kick that guy, and like Yeamber says,
Speaker 1: go and draft at the seventeen spot, go out and
Speaker 1: draft a really good cornerback that you think is a
Speaker 1: ball hawk. And now you put those two guys opposite
Speaker 1: to each other. Now you got something. You're working with
Speaker 1: something at that point. That's what people said about Brandon
Speaker 1: Carr and Mo claiborne. It is true saying that, but
Speaker 1: it was like that. But what it turned out to
Speaker 1: be was a bad draft pick because I think Brandon Carr,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's still playing the league get the
Speaker 1: level that he is, says that he is good in
Speaker 1: that kind of role. Give me the other guy, which
Speaker 1: different players though I mean forth of those guys, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know that Byron has the ball skills
Speaker 1: to magically be like a seven pick cornerback. But I
Speaker 1: think at this point I have to believe it's something
Speaker 1: about the scheme and the way the Cowboys wanted their
Speaker 1: dbs playing the ball that just nobody over the course
Speaker 1: of seven years could do it on a consistent basis
Speaker 1: because I think they just harped so much on don't
Speaker 1: give up the big play, like I mean, and and
Speaker 1: it's hard to say which side of this you really
Speaker 1: fall on because Marcus Peters will get you five interceptions
Speaker 1: and return too for a touchdown, but he's gonna give
Speaker 1: up big plays too. Those things go hand in hand,
Speaker 1: and I don't think the Cowboys were willing to risk that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe this coaching staff will be. I don't know. The
Speaker 1: thing with Byron for me is sorry, you know there's
Speaker 1: another point to that too. Another reason they didn't want
Speaker 1: to risk that is because they never put a high
Speaker 1: priority at safety. I never really had a safety back
Speaker 1: there to clean up that mess. So maybe you should
Speaker 1: focus on that. Maybe they should focus on a safety
Speaker 1: that's a ball hawking safety that you you know, that
Speaker 1: can cover a lot of ground, and then that can
Speaker 1: make your cornerbacks a little bit more aggressive. As what's
Speaker 1: a great point. Yeah, they don't. Since they don't value
Speaker 1: safety that way, then they have to value cornerbacks in
Speaker 1: a different level. I think the world of Byron, and
Speaker 1: I think his coverage skills are good enough that he's
Speaker 1: worth paying. But that's easy for me to say, and
Speaker 1: I think this is the riddle of the entire offseason
Speaker 1: for me, because let's be realistic, They're probably not going
Speaker 1: to come to terms with dak Ramari before the deadline
Speaker 1: to tag people think. No, I don't tag people. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make the decision for by. I get that.
Speaker 1: I guess I did for a little bit. I kind
Speaker 1: of have a feeling, my personal feeling has kind of
Speaker 1: a feeling that they're going to get the quarterback done
Speaker 1: before that, and that's going to give them franchise and
Speaker 1: a transition tax to be I hope, I hope you're right,
Speaker 1: because that would make New Orleans while we're all in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: I mean, as much of a pain in the ass
Speaker 1: as that would be. I hope you're right because it
Speaker 1: would make life easier on them. I don't think I
Speaker 1: believe it because there's so much money to be lost
Speaker 1: or gained. I mean, you know, Dak's smart enough to
Speaker 1: know what would happen if he hit free agency, but
Speaker 1: he never hit free agency exactly, but he knows. But
Speaker 1: why would he just if they're not willing to pay
Speaker 1: him what he thinks he's worth, why would he just
Speaker 1: agree to it sometime over the next month. And I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think this is gonna be just him
Speaker 1: giving in. I think they're gonna negotiate and they're gonna
Speaker 1: to a conclusion. Everybody feels good. Okay, I hope you're right,
Speaker 1: But I am expecting Dak and Amari to be on
Speaker 1: tags on March fifteenth, and therefore the Cowboys won't have
Speaker 1: a choice but to let buyer and hit free agency
Speaker 1: and somebody with money not coming back Vias who needs
Speaker 1: a corner I mean, I can just what does Philadelphia needs?
Speaker 1: They They're just like, we don't care if he gets picks.
Speaker 1: We just already that can cover around Philadelphia's like that's
Speaker 1: their number. One time. They liked him in the draft process,
Speaker 1: I remember, I vividly remember nervously watching the picks countdown
Speaker 1: until the Eagles picked, thinking like, okay, if if Jones clears,
Speaker 1: Philly will get him, and if not, who knows what
Speaker 1: we'll do. Which that's you know, obviously it worked out
Speaker 1: the right way. But Philly likes him. They need a cornerback,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get so much freaking money in free agency.
Speaker 1: Interceptions are no interceptions, And that's just what I think
Speaker 1: is going to happen, because they are because I don't
Speaker 1: think they will have a tag to use on him.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. And by the way, they are
Speaker 1: the team that we were just talking about that has
Speaker 1: those guys that they don't even knock the ball down
Speaker 1: like they've been without cornerbacks. That cornerbacks have been really bad.
Speaker 1: So they're like, give me a quarnerback that's gonna at
Speaker 1: least create incompletion. Stop good. They're like, you mean to
Speaker 1: tell me he can keep up with receivers. That's all
Speaker 1: we need, and you just need him to not be
Speaker 1: four yards behind the receiver. It was his first position coach. Oh, geez, Byron,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Jerome Henderson and Joe Baker, Yeah, where's giants? Giants?
Speaker 1: I don't know the giants Enjoran Generis Jenkins experiment didn't
Speaker 1: go so well. They're with the Giants? Who Joe Baker
Speaker 1: and Joe Baker Jerome Henderson is Yeah, they put the
Speaker 1: whole crew back together and Garretts getting the band back together. Wow. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's it creates an interesting riddle to solve because
Speaker 1: if Byron leaves in free agency, you have to sign somebody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you have the draft and you got to draft somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you don't sign somebody who's capable of starting. Then
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly what they always say you can't do,
Speaker 1: which is pigeonholing yourself into a position where pick seventeen
Speaker 1: or pick fifty one or maybe both. Everyone need to
Speaker 1: be cornerbacks. Everybody knows it. You're like, Okay, these are
Speaker 1: the three guys they might be able to get, and
Speaker 1: that's just not a way to win a draft. That's
Speaker 1: how people jumped you in getting sure pay. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate to bring up Nolan Carroll because that failed spectacularly.
Speaker 1: But if you can't keep Byron, then you will need
Speaker 1: to sign a guy like that who you can at
Speaker 1: least trot out there a week one if you don't
Speaker 1: draft somebody better. All right, real quick, let's hit these safeties.
Speaker 1: You got Cavon Phrase, you got Jeff Heath, You've got
Speaker 1: Darien Thompson. Darren Thompson was an interesting guy, played some
Speaker 1: quite a bit for the Cowboys this year, and I
Speaker 1: thought he was Okay, he was solid, But I think
Speaker 1: at the safety position, that's basically what you've had the
Speaker 1: last years, or guys you can say at the best
Speaker 1: are solid players. Not signing any of those guys, not
Speaker 1: one of them. So we've just in this, in this,
Speaker 1: in this conversation, we've decided you got a draft linebacker,
Speaker 1: you decided you got a draft cornerback, you decide you
Speaker 1: got a draft safety. Are you signing? Seriously, I'm absolutely
Speaker 1: bringing back thirty eight the goat Heath. All y'all, kay, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: think about this before you get mad again. If you
Speaker 1: don't do anything, what I get it? How you have
Speaker 1: to address these problems before the draft you have? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I wonder? I wonder how. I wonder
Speaker 1: how the rest of the league, in particular these new
Speaker 1: coaches see him, because I think a lot of what
Speaker 1: he was here for all these years and why he
Speaker 1: got opportunities is because Garrett loved him and that coaching
Speaker 1: staff loved him. I don't know if another coaching staff
Speaker 1: that comes in and watches film on him is gonna
Speaker 1: be like, man, we look because part of what they
Speaker 1: love are the intangibles of who he is. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know if they love or get the name Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: All I know is they need to sign a guy
Speaker 1: who can start, but they would prefer to not start.
Speaker 1: That's what the special teams. Jeff Heath is a special
Speaker 1: team's demon. Yeah, and in a in a perfect world,
Speaker 1: he would be on a small salary as my ace
Speaker 1: special teamer who can start in a pinch. But you
Speaker 1: need him here so that we're not sitting there at
Speaker 1: picks seventeen saying well it's gotta be Grant Delpit or
Speaker 1: else we're gonna suck. Yeah, because that would be what
Speaker 1: you don't want to be there. No, he wouldn't be expensive.
Speaker 1: Would he just had a kid? Like he's he's not
Speaker 1: moving back to uh Lake Orion, Michigan or wherever he's from,
Speaker 1: Like it's not as cool as Dallas, Texas. Like there's
Speaker 1: a reason all these guys stay. There's a reason all
Speaker 1: these dudes stay. First, taxes, climate, there's a million reasons why. Um,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be here anyway. I'm not signing him
Speaker 1: like right away. He's going to test the market. Now,
Speaker 1: if he's a guy that can come back in the
Speaker 1: you know, one two year deal, I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: If that's the role. That still kills Day's point that
Speaker 1: you want him by draft because you want to be
Speaker 1: able to draft. I'm talking about the second wave of
Speaker 1: free agency, which is like nine hours later after all
Speaker 1: the craziness happens in the first wave, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be right here to laugh at y'all on March fifteenth.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he won't be. Remember you remember who
Speaker 1: their first you remember who their first signing was? Last
Speaker 1: year everything was last year is totally different. I'm just
Speaker 1: Darian Thoms. No, it was Jamazol Wally, and and years
Speaker 1: before that it was James Hannah and everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the big money. Earl Thomas is coming
Speaker 1: and it's Jamaezela Wally, and this year it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. Everybody's gonna freak the hell out. The one
Speaker 1: thing I know about smile, the one thing I know
Speaker 1: about new coaches is they like to surround themselves with
Speaker 1: guys if they're comfortable with. And so it's people like
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath that I could see ended up in in
Speaker 1: New York because the coaching staff buy in large, picked
Speaker 1: up and moved there. Fantastic point, right, And so I
Speaker 1: see a situation where these coaches will say, Hey, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna just have a solid safety, let's go get
Speaker 1: a solid safety that we know and trust and whoever
Speaker 1: that might be. I don't know who the name is.
Speaker 1: That's the guy that they go get Chris Banjoe seriously,
Speaker 1: like he's the same, it'll be the same guy, Like
Speaker 1: it won't be right. And again, all that does is
Speaker 1: just secure you that you don't have to rush into
Speaker 1: a bad decision in the draft. You got a guy
Speaker 1: that in a pinch, you can play at safety and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a solid guy for you. He's gonna
Speaker 1: a special team or that kind of thing. Is Chris
Speaker 1: Banjo under contract? Like he was with McCarthy Bay that name,
Speaker 1: he's freaking He's Jeff. He's Jeff Heath. Actually he's from Sugarland, Texas.
Speaker 1: He went to as MU. He was he was like
Speaker 1: the fifth safety on the Packers with McCarthy. He spent
Speaker 1: time with Nolan in New Orleans. Yeah. See, that's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy. I don't know if he goes there
Speaker 1: and he's available, Yeah, I don't as available he's available.
Speaker 1: I can't believe y'all never heard of him. No, I'm sorry, Chris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean all right, we only have a few more
Speaker 1: minutes here, so I want to lock you guys down
Speaker 1: on Super Bowl picks. Who do you think is gonna
Speaker 1: win this weekend. Let's start with you, Nick, forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers by seventeen. I'd like I'd like for to be
Speaker 1: a close game. Chris Banjoe is a free agent. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm just saying he remember Kyle cuts us
Speaker 1: out Banjoe. Okay, sorry, I just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can really stop the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: That their defensive line is so good. They'll have that
Speaker 1: they'll have him running all over the place and he'll
Speaker 1: he'll be good doing it. But I think the way
Speaker 1: they run the ball and they just dominate the line,
Speaker 1: and I just see them winning the game, pulling it away.
Speaker 1: I hope the Chiefs win. Um. I love watching Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes played, but I just think the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: are so strong on the both lines. Yeah, that's I mean.
Speaker 1: I've thought a sneaking suspicion all week that the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers are gonna win because they're they're the more
Speaker 1: complete team. And I agree with everything Nick just said.
Speaker 1: Having said that they buckled down on Derrick Henry and
Speaker 1: made Tannehill beat him and he couldn't do it. And
Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo is better than Tannehill, but is
Speaker 1: he capable of lifting them if the running game's not there?
Speaker 1: Because the Chiefs proved if they commit to it, they
Speaker 1: can stop it. That's it's really I mean, I hope.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a fantastic game because the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers are a better team, but the Chiefs have
Speaker 1: the best player in the game. And I've been saying
Speaker 1: all this player in the game too. I've been saying
Speaker 1: all week that I think the night but I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't go against Mahomes. I can't. Like I've you know,
Speaker 1: I love Aaron Rodgers, Like a quarterback of that caliber
Speaker 1: just means so much. I think the Niners are the
Speaker 1: better team, but I think the Chiefs will find a
Speaker 1: way to win, all right, Amber, I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a closed game. But the forty nine Ers, the
Speaker 1: way they've been playing, at least on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball, just the aggressiveness and the energy that
Speaker 1: as soon as the game starts, even the last game
Speaker 1: they played, it's like so much energy there. And if
Speaker 1: they can keep that up for this week, which I
Speaker 1: think they definitely can. Defense a defense like that with
Speaker 1: so much aggression and energy can definitely win you that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. There's so much like the Panthers to me
Speaker 1: a few years ago. I mean, they just sucked for
Speaker 1: so long that you're just gonna get good defensive players.
Speaker 1: You just keep stacking these defensive players together. A sudden
Speaker 1: they hit, you know, you get a real like Giants
Speaker 1: Patriots vibe like Buckner and Bosa are just terrifying Mahomes
Speaker 1: all day. But that's the thing is, Mahomes is not
Speaker 1: Tom Brady like. Mahomes can do crazy stuff like the
Speaker 1: run he had against the Titans, where you can do
Speaker 1: everything right and rush the hell out of collapse the pocket,
Speaker 1: and he still does something insane. And I know Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans want the forty nine ers to lose because they
Speaker 1: think that matters with the six and all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've already been passed right two teams twice, so you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's more to it than that, though. I
Speaker 1: think Cowboy fans just don't like the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been an NFC rival for years chief decades,
Speaker 1: and that was the arrival back in the day Dallas
Speaker 1: Texans that it's a different way before any of us yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I'll put it like this. I've seen some
Speaker 1: really great defenses throughout the history of the NFL. I've
Speaker 1: been able to witness. It's rare that a great defense,
Speaker 1: particularly a great defensive front, gets to Super Bowl and loses.
Speaker 1: I don't care what kind of offense are going against.
Speaker 1: And we saw the greatest, in my opinion, the greatest
Speaker 1: offense in the history of the game at Patriots offense
Speaker 1: get beat in the Super Bowl because that defensive front
Speaker 1: was really, really good, and I just I believe that
Speaker 1: because of that, San Francisco has the edge in this game. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Kansas City because i love watching Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes play. I'm a Patrick Mahomes fan, so I'm rooting
Speaker 1: for him to win this game. But when you look
Speaker 1: at it, I just I just think history says when
Speaker 1: you match up a really great I'm talking about a
Speaker 1: really great defensive front against whatever kind of offense, it
Speaker 1: typically ends up that defferensive defensive front wins this game.
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna I'm gonna say San Francisco wins.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I picked the Chiefs then, because it would
Speaker 1: be silly if we had a clean sweep on the show.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'll be rooting for the Chiefs, no
Speaker 1: doubt about our rooting for the chi I have not
Speaker 1: come across a Cowboys fan who's this rooting for the
Speaker 1: forty nine? Are you all right? We appreciate you, guys.
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