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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, January twenty ninth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Episode number one thirteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We're locked in s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,

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Speaker 1: We've got an hour of Cowboys Talk for you guys today,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk a little bit about the coaches.

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Speaker 1: They met the final the staff has been finalized, and

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Speaker 1: they met with the media earlier this week. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: We're also going to get into finishing up ore We've

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Speaker 1: been doing this the last two shows, but finishing up

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Speaker 1: our evaluation of the free agency market, particularly the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: free agents, and and whether the Cowboys shouldn't move on

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Speaker 1: Cowboys talk. How's ever ready doing today? Great? Darren? Out

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Speaker 1: of breath, just listening to you there. Man, gotta go, man,

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Speaker 1: you gotta gotta Well. It feels kind of weird because

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys did a show last week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're back here hanging out. But y'all, yeah, yeah, y'all,

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Speaker 1: I'm liking it. Yeah, I'm not playing. I'm liking it. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: everybody do it? Yeah? All right, So let's jump in

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, the Cowboys coaching staff. The new coaching

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Speaker 1: staff on their only two holdovers. I guess if you

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Speaker 1: but but Leon is an assistant defensive line coach. But

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Speaker 1: three holdovers. Um, So let's go around the table. I

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Speaker 1: want you guys just tell me as you were talking

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Speaker 1: this coaching staff. Let's start with you Nick. I think

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Speaker 1: Marissa Linquist, you have um a culture coach pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, And I think it's just it's just a

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Speaker 1: happens in a lot of buildings. Amber. What struck you

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Speaker 1: coaches and the new coaching staff. Nick. Before we went

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Speaker 1: to break, I wanted you to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about at Henry. Yeah, the wide receivers coach. He said,

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Speaker 1: you had an interesting conversation with him, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was some interesting things he told you. I haven't

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Speaker 1: written that story yet. But but the thing that he

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Speaker 1: said that that kind of stood out the most is

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Speaker 1: it's very cliche for coaches to say, you know, oh

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Speaker 1: this guy right here, I mean, the players love him.

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Speaker 1: He's a player's coach. He flat out said, I am

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Speaker 1: not a player's coach. I am not a player's coach.

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Speaker 1: I'm a coach's coach. And then okay, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: And he said, basically, what it means is that I

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Speaker 1: want the players to to, you know, fall in line

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Speaker 1: with what we're doing as our staff. And this is

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Speaker 1: what we're asking of you. We want you to come

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Speaker 1: into this system and be you know, do things the

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Speaker 1: right way, run the right routes, you know, learn all

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Speaker 1: of these things we're trying to teach you. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to be your best friend. I am your coach.

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Speaker 1: And so if that means that I am not a

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Speaker 1: player's coach, fine, I am your coach. And so he

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Speaker 1: was he was like, that doesn't mean that we can't

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Speaker 1: have a good relationship and you can't you know, we

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Speaker 1: can't respect each other. But I don't like the term

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Speaker 1: players coach. I'm a coaches coach and you're the player.

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Speaker 1: Which that's interesting because Adam Henry twice twice coached Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham and Jarvis Landry, who I don't know that either

475
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Speaker 1: one of them has a reputation for being easy to coach,

476
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Speaker 1: and they both adore him. So yeah, absolutely, I think.

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Speaker 1: But you know something, I think sometimes people people tend

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Speaker 1: to adore people that well, I shouldn't say like that.

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes players they they really like coaches who

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Speaker 1: they know they would always give them the unadulterated truth,

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Speaker 1: and that comes along with being that coaches coaches you're not.

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Speaker 1: You don't care who they are, what their profile is.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna coach you, and I'm gonna coach

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Speaker 1: you hard. And I think players sometimes respect And we've

485
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Speaker 1: seen this firsthand here. Sometimes somebody of leadership can come

486
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Speaker 1: into a situation they don't really know them, and you

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Speaker 1: kind of set the ground rules and you come you

488
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Speaker 1: come across very blunt. We were on a conference call

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Speaker 1: at training camp one time about this, yeah, and it

490
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Speaker 1: was like, this is how things are supposed to be

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Speaker 1: and where everybody's like, who's this guy? And this isn't fun,

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Speaker 1: you know, And then ever since then you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get to that level and you realize that it was

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Speaker 1: a plan. Yeah, there was a plan in place, and

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Speaker 1: he got you know, so that might be this might

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Speaker 1: be part of the plan. I'm not a player's coach,

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Speaker 1: I'm your coach. And then you know, like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: respect that. And then every time it's I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that it's not real. It's just you got these guys

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Speaker 1: building it up to that expectation. In reality, that's kind

501
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Speaker 1: of what he's wanting you to do. Yeah, it's kind

502
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Speaker 1: of like when you're in when you're in grade school,

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Speaker 1: Like the teacher that first day school establishes a fact

504
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Speaker 1: I'm running this classroom and we're gonna do it my way.

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Speaker 1: You kind of deal with that teacher a little different

506
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Speaker 1: for the rest of that year than the teacher that

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Speaker 1: comes in and says, hey, guys, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: fun class. Like, you probably have a little different way

509
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Speaker 1: that you'll deal with that teacher because of how they

510
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Speaker 1: set things up at the beginning and what your expectations

511
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Speaker 1: are of them. Remember grade school, Yeah, has it been

512
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Speaker 1: that long for you? Yeah? Yeah, it has. It's been

513
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Speaker 1: longer for you, has it? Which is funny because Okay,

514
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Speaker 1: like two years ago, I'd be like, yes, this is

515
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Speaker 1: what this receiver room needs. Got Dez, Terrence and Beasley

516
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Speaker 1: like this is a nightmare. I don't really, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that. I don't know how hard Adam Henry is

518
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Speaker 1: gonna have to work to win that room over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I do think this if you, if you're one

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Speaker 1: of the people that ascribes to the belief that amar

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper needs more priding, needs more, pushing, needs more, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody to drive him, then maybe you look at this

523
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Speaker 1: and say, maybe you'll get every ounce of what you

524
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Speaker 1: think you can get out of Amari Cooper by having

525
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Speaker 1: somebody who is a hard, hard coach, somebody that really

526
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Speaker 1: pushes him hard, you might get a better player than

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Speaker 1: somebody that just maybe coddles him. I'm not saying I

528
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Speaker 1: don't know if if sanje Lyle coddled him or not.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. What I'm saying is, though having

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Speaker 1: that hard coach might be a better thing for somebody

531
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Speaker 1: like that. Maybe he said he didn't say this, but

532
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Speaker 1: maybe he's got the same thing as Tom Seweler about

533
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Speaker 1: the rotation. You know, I should have asked him that

534
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Speaker 1: like fourth and eight with the season seasons on the line,

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Speaker 1: like would you like the best players of who are

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Speaker 1: you gonna put out there? Yeah, that would have been

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Speaker 1: a good question. You're right, well, you have plenty of

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Speaker 1: time we do to go back around and get that

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Speaker 1: question answered. All right, let's move let's talk about free agency.

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Speaker 1: We've been going through this thing. We've we've gone through

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Speaker 1: the offense now, we've gone through the specialists, and we've

542
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Speaker 1: gone through the defensive line. We got about halfway through

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Speaker 1: the linebackers last time. The question really is is the

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Speaker 1: guy a priority free agent, the guy that you have

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Speaker 1: to sign. Is he a guy that you keep if

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Speaker 1: you know, if things can work out, or is he

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Speaker 1: a guy you just let walk because you feel like

548
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Speaker 1: his time here is done? All right, So let's let's

549
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Speaker 1: move on with the linebackers. Let's talk about Malcolm Smith.

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Speaker 1: He got here what round week ten, eleven, fifteen sixteen?

551
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Speaker 1: Oh is that late? Played two games? Played two games? Okay?

552
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Speaker 1: How he played Eagles and it sounds right based on that.

553
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on him? Do you think the

554
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Speaker 1: Cowboys should look at bringing him back or do you

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Speaker 1: think you just kind of let him walk? You know,

556
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: this thing is always tough because there's a new coaching

557
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: staff here, so we were always able to answer things

558
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Speaker 1: of like this is the type of player that he

559
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Speaker 1: likes or he likes it. So we're still trying to

560
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: figure that out. Um. But the type of player, if

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Speaker 1: they're saying what they said all along, is that I

562
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Speaker 1: like a certain type of football player, the type of

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Speaker 1: guy that can that can get off the couch and

564
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Speaker 1: go play two games like he did and play pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I think that he showed some signs of something that

566
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Speaker 1: you can work with there, So you know, and you know,

567
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: he's a big game player. He's a Super Bowl MVP. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's had some decent years. I think he I think

569
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Speaker 1: he's a guy I would try to bring back at

570
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Speaker 1: me at least for numbers, but more than anything special teams.

571
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: I is he a guy that can play special teams

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Speaker 1: If that's what John Fossil's looking for, then yes, because

573
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Speaker 1: that your backup linebacker's got to have the experience to

574
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Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, everything he just said, I mean, I

575
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Speaker 1: would like to think you could sign him for a

576
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Speaker 1: very very low price. And if that's the case, then

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Speaker 1: hell yeah, I'd love to have him as my fifth

578
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Speaker 1: or sixth linebacker for me, any of those guys um

579
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Speaker 1: in the linebacker positions, I would like to see what

580
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Speaker 1: else is available during free agency, Like that would be

581
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Speaker 1: a position where I would be I would like the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys to get somebody else in free agency rather than

583
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Speaker 1: just signing your own if obviously that person is better

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Speaker 1: than what you've got currently. That's a good point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually I agree with that. I'd rather Fossil get get

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Speaker 1: a guy in here. If that's his guy, fine, I

587
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Speaker 1: doubt it, though. I'd rather Fossil get his linebacker that

588
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Speaker 1: he's played against for special teams for my backup linebacker,

589
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of like Besotia did with those guys. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's I mean, yeah, I guess i'd probably bet

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Speaker 1: against it. But I mean, but again, like what level

592
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Speaker 1: of free agent are you talking about here, Like you're

593
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Speaker 1: gonna go after Danny Trevathan, Corey Littleton or Van Noy. No,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to spend that kind of names. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and so like you're getting I mean, you're going down

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Speaker 1: the line. But The thing you consider here is you

597
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Speaker 1: got four guys of your eight linebackers that want the roster.

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Speaker 1: For those guys are free agents this year, unrestricted free agents.

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Speaker 1: The only guys you got left or Christian Covington, Luke Gifford,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, and Layton vander Esher exactly. And that's my point, like,

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Speaker 1: do you do you feel like you need to have

602
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Speaker 1: some of these, like at least one or two of

603
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Speaker 1: these guys needs to be a priority, just for the

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Speaker 1: sake of some consistency. Yeah, and just for the solid

605
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Speaker 1: guy that's true consistency with what like the scheme's changing,

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Speaker 1: that's McCarthy say. He's like defense is going to be

607
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Speaker 1: a departure. So is there consistency in the sense that

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Speaker 1: like we know their names and know what they can

609
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: and can't do? I guess, But does that matter to them? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not? I doubt it. Yeah, I think that it

611
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: might be a sneaky need of some for some depth

612
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: of those guys that can play as starters, because you

613
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Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen with Sean. How concernn are

614
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Speaker 1: you with Layton Ender? I mean they keep saying and

615
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Speaker 1: he it's expected to have a full recovery and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be fine and ready to go for the offseason.

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Speaker 1: But are you guys feeling my concern level as a seven?

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Speaker 1: If ten is like oh my god, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the worst thing ever, and one being like,

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Speaker 1: no problem, I'm a seven. I think I put myself

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Speaker 1: closer to like a five, Like I don't. I'm just

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Speaker 1: being never never take them at face value that everything

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Speaker 1: is perfect. But also I'm not just convinced that he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be able to like player. Let me let me,

625
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: let me preface that my my comfort level with the position,

626
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Speaker 1: or my level of concern for the position is a

627
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Speaker 1: seven because there's nothing really behind there because he you're

628
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Speaker 1: asking him to do so many things and then he's

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Speaker 1: got a neck injury and Dayalen Smith, yes, he made

630
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I think there's some there's definitely some

631
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: issues in his game when it comes to pass coverage.

632
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: That's what they that's the number one thing they have

633
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Speaker 1: to figure out. Linebackers and my need to figure out

634
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Speaker 1: what can we do with Jalen Smith to make him

635
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: like a dynamic player because I think he's a good player.

636
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: He gets a bad rap if he was off of

637
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: social media, we would have a different opinion. We have

638
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: a different opinion. I agree with he's he's not a

639
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: bad player at all. I agree with that. It's just

640
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: I still think he's a liability and coverage though, Like

641
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: if without any of that, I still think people would

642
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: have said he had a disappointing season. But I think

643
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: you could be a really great linebacker in this league. Yeah,

644
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: even if you're not great in coma. I've seen really

645
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: good linebackers and leagues aren't great in coverage. You just committed.

646
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: You just well, basically what you have to do is

647
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: you just have to change what their role is. Like

648
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: what we do know of him, he's a really good

649
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: pass rusher, so maybe you find ways to have him pass,

650
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, rushing in those kinds of situations more frequently

651
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: than you have him backing out and in I feel

652
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: like I was more upset than excited this year when

653
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: I saw him playing as far as the things that

654
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: he was doing on the field, Like from what I remember,

655
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: just in general, I feel like he would do things

656
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: that would upset me more than get me on my feet,

657
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: like oh yes, let me tweet out Jal in between

658
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: the whistles or after the whistles, Well that kind of

659
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of both, kind of both. I'm trying to keep

660
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: that whole other thing separate from the actual plane. I mean,

661
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: there were times that I guess it's it just ties

662
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: together because he carries himself as, oh, I'm so good

663
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: and this and that, and then when you see him

664
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: making even little mistakes, it's like, Okay, you should be

665
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: playing better. So I guess it just it kind of

666
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: goes hand in hand when it comes to that, because

667
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: if he wasn't like that, I think I would be like, Okay,

668
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: it's not that bad. But because we have a certain

669
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: perception of him, it makes you feel or think that

670
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: he should be playing at this other level. So we're

671
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: not seeing Christian Covington, Luke Gifford, Jalen Smith, and Layton

672
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: vander Esher under conto before. Yeah, I really hope Sean

673
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: Lee decides to come back for another season. That would

674
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: be awesome. Let John Fossil and Mike Nolan and decide

675
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: on a journeyman type of guy to sign, and if

676
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: they want to draft a guy with a not crazy

677
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: high pick that sounds great to me. Let's roll. Yeah,

678
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: I will say this I kind of fall in between

679
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: the two of you guys on Layton. And it's not

680
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: so much that I don't believe he will be able

681
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: to come back and resume his career, no problem. What

682
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: I am concerned about is this is a neck injury

683
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: that started back in college that now was a problem. Again,

684
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't trust the future. That's by issue is it's

685
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: not so much him coming back and he may come

686
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: back and have a great next year and a great

687
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: even year after that. My question is is this going

688
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: to be something that is going to crop up two

689
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: or three years from now. I don't know that. And

690
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: again I've never heard anything like that. But next and

691
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: backs aren't like those are the kinds of things that

692
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: I've had. Next surgery, it doesn't. You don't always feel

693
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: better even after the surgery, and you never you I know,

694
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: for me, I'm not back to normal. So it's that's

695
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I just wonder in the future, what

696
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: is this? What is he? And how to that? Nick Field,

697
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: You're right, and I'm I love to say hope is

698
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: not a strategy, but like it's I mean, what you're

699
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna do, It's not. Are you at a point where

700
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: you need to do something drastic. I don't think so.

701
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean, might be the difference of the linebacker that

702
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: you sign, the journeyman or the guy, the Danny Trevathian guy,

703
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: something like that. That's been a starter and could could be.

704
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: That's why I want Sean leeback. Yeah, because that I

705
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: can do that on a discount, which at like, I'm

706
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: not ready to spend major resources ie first, second or

707
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: third round pick or pay a guy starter money, because

708
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: that's expensive. It's really I mean, it could be really expensive.

709
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: What did job rolls go up when he said you

710
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: can do it on discount? Were you worried about whether

711
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: you can do that on discount? Well, the discount wouldn't.

712
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Then he cut his salary down to three million. It

713
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: was a discount from seven million. Yeah, but are you

714
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: going to get it again? How much money is Sean

715
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Lee going to command? With his injury history and his age.

716
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: He's says, let's run it back three million again. That's

717
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: not that's three millions not cheap you and Pam three

718
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, are you kidding me? Top

719
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: of the top of the million, we've been around top

720
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: of the line linebacker? The play is costing you sixteen

721
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: million a year in this day and age. So if

722
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: you tell me I can get Sean Lee for less

723
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: than less than one quarter of that salary, maybe you can't.

724
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: Though I'd pay him up to like five or six

725
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: if you one year deal. Yeah, I do that. He's

726
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: the one guy that I would see him being like, yes, okay,

727
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm down. If we're being real, it would probably be

728
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: like three with incentives to hit up to a certain

729
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: number if you hit snap counts and all that type

730
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: of stuff, which again I'm okay with. For sure, I'm

731
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: certainly okay with I just I'm not so if Layton. Sorry,

732
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: if Layton has another issue like this next year, then

733
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: it's time to really think about what you're gonna do

734
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: for the future. But right now, it's like when you

735
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: see a crack in the foundation of your house, like

736
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna level the thing, or you're gonna try to

737
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: fix it first before you sell the house, or bulldoze

738
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: it and build it over again. I think I think

739
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: the whole part about this three four and four to three,

740
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know, they're just trying to figure out the

741
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: scheme that fits with the players, and I think it

742
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: all revolves around Jalen Smith because I think he is

743
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: a unique player that there's a good role for him.

744
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: They have to figure that out, and I think that's

745
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: a domino effect that will affect other things. I mean,

746
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: to me, Jalen Smith should be playing in a traditional

747
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: three four. I could see him being right in the

748
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: middle of the defense where you don't have to cover

749
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: as much and you're taking on blocks and he's big

750
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: and he can handle that. Or he's a three four

751
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: rusher that can rush from the outside. I think he's

752
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: a better fit in a three four scheme, And maybe

753
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: they're going to do some different maneuvering around to fit

754
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: some things. And you've seen him have success when rushing,

755
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you know and creating some pressure, so he's shown you

756
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: that he can do that and be good at it.

757
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think he goes back to

758
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: what he does well he is. I think he is

759
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: a good straight line runner. If he has point A

760
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: to point B and he has to get there, I

761
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: think he can do that well. I think change of

762
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: direction is tough for him. I think lateral movement can

763
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: be tough for him, at least in what we've seen

764
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: so far. So figure out ways to more often than not,

765
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: have him running straight line, running from this point to

766
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: that point. And I think he'll be fine. I think

767
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: he'll be a really good player. But the more you

768
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: got him out in coverage, the more he's having to

769
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, kind of change the direct. Like,

770
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what he's best suited for. I

771
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: just don't. He's become kind of a punchline a little bit.

772
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: And you know that happens to players the law all

773
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: the time, and it first, it happens after you get

774
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: a contract. I mean, Brandon Carr was that way. I

775
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: mean Terrence Knewhan became that way. Yeah, it happens, and

776
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: you kind of forget the fact that you know, you

777
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: got paid because you're really a good football player. They

778
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: just got to figure out ways to make him a

779
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: good player. And you know, if he's making a lot

780
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: of good plays, people will be they'll be swiping in

781
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: their living rooms, you know, cheering him on. Yeah I do.

782
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: That's a that's got to be like a top three

783
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: priority for this coaching staff for sure, making sure he's

784
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: used the best way possible before we go to our

785
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: final break. Let's real quick Joe Thomas. What are your

786
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: thoughts on Joe Thomas? If he I mean, I'd be

787
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: happy to sign him back. I think that's he did.

788
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: He did more for this team than Malcolm Smith. But

789
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I think it's similar to that, is like, how do

790
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: the coaches feel about him? Is there a guy available

791
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: that they like more because they're more familiar with him?

792
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have to stay healthy enough for a guy

793
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: they didn't play enough. It didn't seem like he was

794
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: always kind of hurt, but not every ads ad inural

795
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: problems and he's got the always got the four to

796
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: six week injuries seem like. But but man, he's a

797
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: hitter though, I mean, he's a he's a good guy

798
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: to have on on special teams if if if the roles.

799
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: At this point, we just need healthy guys in that position.

800
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: You don't need to add somebody else that's dealing with

801
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: What's a great point actually because of all of because

802
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: like you said, their question walks with all those guys,

803
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I would I would opt for the guy that is

804
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: so steady and healthy, and yeah, that's why I won.

805
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: Is my fifth linebacker round, so I want is my

806
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: sixth line But I want these guys to be just

807
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: just guys. I know we're going to be healthy and available.

808
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: It would probably it would probably make people mad because

809
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Layton's here, Jalen's here, Shaun Lee might be back. But

810
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: like Draft one, in the fourth round, that's where they

811
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: got Hitchens, That's where they got Wilson. Can contribute right away.

812
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: You can play special teams. You could go there playing

813
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: on the last I checked, which and I'm like, Hitchens

814
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: is playing pretty well. They drafted Hitchens to be that

815
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: guy and he had to step in and start right away.

816
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: So like you can get that kind of upside. That's

817
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: like the sweet spot for where I would love to

818
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: drive and just you guess you gotta churn that production.

819
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: It's like running back. Like linebackers, you can't expect them

820
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: to be at the top of their game. I mean,

821
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: Luke Keikley just retired at twenty eight. Just keep churning

822
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: the talent at that position. You know, there's seven former

823
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys going to be playing in the Super Bowl, so

824
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: disciplined six she's great for them, for them. I didn't

825
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: realize this till the other day that Mike Webber the

826
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: draft picked from Ohio State running back very much under.

827
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: He's on the Chiefs practice squad. We'll get a ring

828
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: if they went they picked him, they picked him up

829
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: and you can do after the season ended or two

830
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: put on their practice squad. So he's yeah, good friend,

831
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: you want to dive into the players. They're one of

832
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: their starting cornerbacks. Is a guy that Cowboys traded for

833
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: a ham sandwich? Do we want to do that various? Well,

834
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: to have that conversation we don't have. He's this daughter,

835
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: he's a starter and is playing well. How much better

836
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: would you feel about this team's cornerback situation if Charvarius here,

837
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that problem right now. They literally

838
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: traded him for a guy that never played a regular

839
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: season snap here, Okay, let's take our final break. We're

840
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: gonna come back and we're gonna talk about this secondary

841
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: because that is an area where the Cowboys have a

842
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: lot of change is coming. We'll talk about this. We'll

843
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: right back. This is Dallas cow Was that come radio?

844
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: I want to use what the pros use? How about

845
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: the official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys, Jack Black.

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Speaker 1: so let's get back into this. We got a lot

887
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Speaker 1: of guys in the secondary who are unrestricted free agents

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Speaker 1: this year. Let me read off the list, and I think,

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Speaker 1: take this as a group and you guys can kind

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Speaker 1: of pick and choose the guys you think and the

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Speaker 1: guys you think you kind of let go. You can

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Speaker 1: put them kind of in groups. All right, So you've

895
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown who was an unrestricted free agent. You've

896
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Speaker 1: got Cavon Frasier, CJ. Goodwin, Jeff Heath, Byron Jones, Darien Thompson,

897
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: all unrestricted free agents this year. You have an exclusive

898
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Speaker 1: rights free agent in Jamill Showers and a restrictive free

899
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Speaker 1: agent that's Meal Showers. Is your list wrong, Dave, that's

900
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: not my That came straight from Cowboys PR says that

901
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: Deonte Burton is also a restricted free agent. I guess

902
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: with the guys, maybe they might they might have Jamil's

903
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: rights because he because he retired, he's not he hasn't

904
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: played all year. He's not coming back, all right, So

905
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: that all being said, giants talk to me about those

906
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: safeties and cornerbacks. I guess let's start first with the cornerbacks.

907
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: You got Byron Jones and you've got Anthony Brown. Um,

908
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: what do you think the Cowboys should do with their

909
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: with their cornerback position? With these unrestricted free agents? It

910
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: was hard not to read into Will mcclay's comments about

911
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Byron at the Senior Bowl, which, like I mean, to

912
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: some degree, there's only so much he can say. He's

913
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: not the owner or technically the general manager. But we

914
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: asked him about Byron and he was like, he's a

915
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: starting caliber corner and we like him a lot. We'll

916
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: see if he fits in our plans. And I'm just like,

917
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: that is hardly a glowing endorsement of an All Pro.

918
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: How about Mike Nolan? That was what I was gonna say.

919
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: Those are interesting. He said that he wasn't talking about

920
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, not really, but he talked about Troy Aikman

921
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: used to say, I'm not worried about throwing at cornerbacks

922
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: that aren't going to catch the ball. If you're gonna

923
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: knock it down, I'll fine. I'll throw him complete passes

924
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm worried about Dion and those guys

925
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: catching and taking it back. So if you're just gonna

926
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: knock the ball down. I ain't worried about you. I

927
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: looked over and I was like, Byron Jones, that's not good.

928
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: So he's not worried about guys that knocked the ball down.

929
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: And it's been two years. Is that? I think he

930
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: had one last year one and it was like on

931
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: a hail mary because the problem last year and then

932
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: we were talking about he didn't then enterteen nineteen and

933
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: he's got like two for his whole career. I know

934
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Speaker 1: that one of him was to deflect against the Redskins

935
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Speaker 1: for a touchdown and another one was like on a

936
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: hail mary at the end of the first half. That

937
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: it really you know, it would have been a turnover

938
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: on downs anyway, he doesn't. But if that's the priority,

939
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: then he hasn't had one since twenty seventeen. Is that

940
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: the right way to look at it. I don't know.

941
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 1: I mean, he covers, he covers really well. He covers well.

942
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: He he stays relatively healthy. I mean, I know he

943
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: got banged up a little bit, he stays healthy, and um,

944
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: he's a good, good guy to have miss the game.

945
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: Did he maybe at the end of the year, maybe, Yeah,

946
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: DATILASKI did. I don't remember red skinning game, but I

947
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: he checks the boxes in a lot of ways. Yeah,

948
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: it's just not the turnover he covers. Well, he's got

949
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: really good size, good speed, good attitude, I mean good.

950
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: I think he's a leader. I think he's he does

951
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: everything the right way. Um, he just doesn't get turnovers.

952
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: But I could live with that. But it's like, are

953
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: you realistically are you gonna have two corners that are

954
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: that talented to the point where they are playmakers and

955
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: getting turnovers and all that, Like if you have one,

956
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have like one of those. You know you're

957
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: not gonna have two players like that in your second day. Yeah,

958
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: but they don't have any, but bring somebody else. I'm

959
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: looking at the rest of the cornerback and I'm like, well,

960
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: they don't even knocked the ball down, So what are

961
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: you gonna do. You're saying, I don't value the guy

962
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: that at least knocked the ball down and created incompletion.

963
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: So are you didn't gonna replace him with a guy

964
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't even knock the ball down? Yeah? Yeah, I

965
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: mean I'd rather kick that guy, and like Yeamber says,

966
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: go and draft at the seventeen spot, go out and

967
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: draft a really good cornerback that you think is a

968
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: ball hawk. And now you put those two guys opposite

969
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: to each other. Now you got something. You're working with

970
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: something at that point. That's what people said about Brandon

971
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: Carr and Mo claiborne. It is true saying that, but

972
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: it was like that. But what it turned out to

973
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: be was a bad draft pick because I think Brandon Carr,

974
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: the fact that he's still playing the league get the

975
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: level that he is, says that he is good in

976
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: that kind of role. Give me the other guy, which

977
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: different players though I mean forth of those guys, I

978
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: don't I don't know that Byron has the ball skills

979
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: to magically be like a seven pick cornerback. But I

980
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: think at this point I have to believe it's something

981
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: about the scheme and the way the Cowboys wanted their

982
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: dbs playing the ball that just nobody over the course

983
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: of seven years could do it on a consistent basis

984
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: because I think they just harped so much on don't

985
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: give up the big play, like I mean, and and

986
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: it's hard to say which side of this you really

987
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: fall on because Marcus Peters will get you five interceptions

988
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: and return too for a touchdown, but he's gonna give

989
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: up big plays too. Those things go hand in hand,

990
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think the Cowboys were willing to risk that. Yeah,

991
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: maybe this coaching staff will be. I don't know. The

992
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: thing with Byron for me is sorry, you know there's

993
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: another point to that too. Another reason they didn't want

994
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: to risk that is because they never put a high

995
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: priority at safety. I never really had a safety back

996
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: there to clean up that mess. So maybe you should

997
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: focus on that. Maybe they should focus on a safety

998
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: that's a ball hawking safety that you you know, that

999
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: can cover a lot of ground, and then that can

1000
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: make your cornerbacks a little bit more aggressive. As what's

1001
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: a great point. Yeah, they don't. Since they don't value

1002
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: safety that way, then they have to value cornerbacks in

1003
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: a different level. I think the world of Byron, and

1004
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: I think his coverage skills are good enough that he's

1005
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: worth paying. But that's easy for me to say, and

1006
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I think this is the riddle of the entire offseason

1007
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: for me, because let's be realistic, They're probably not going

1008
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: to come to terms with dak Ramari before the deadline

1009
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: to tag people think. No, I don't tag people. I mean,

1010
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make the decision for by. I get that.

1011
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: I guess I did for a little bit. I kind

1012
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: of have a feeling, my personal feeling has kind of

1013
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: a feeling that they're going to get the quarterback done

1014
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: before that, and that's going to give them franchise and

1015
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: a transition tax to be I hope, I hope you're right,

1016
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: because that would make New Orleans while we're all in

1017
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah, that's how

1018
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: I mean, as much of a pain in the ass

1019
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: as that would be. I hope you're right because it

1020
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: would make life easier on them. I don't think I

1021
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: believe it because there's so much money to be lost

1022
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: or gained. I mean, you know, Dak's smart enough to

1023
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: know what would happen if he hit free agency, but

1024
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: he never hit free agency exactly, but he knows. But

1025
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: why would he just if they're not willing to pay

1026
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: him what he thinks he's worth, why would he just

1027
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: agree to it sometime over the next month. And I

1028
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: don't I don't think this is gonna be just him

1029
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 1: giving in. I think they're gonna negotiate and they're gonna

1030
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: to a conclusion. Everybody feels good. Okay, I hope you're right,

1031
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: But I am expecting Dak and Amari to be on

1032
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: tags on March fifteenth, and therefore the Cowboys won't have

1033
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: a choice but to let buyer and hit free agency

1034
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: and somebody with money not coming back Vias who needs

1035
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: a corner I mean, I can just what does Philadelphia needs?

1036
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: They They're just like, we don't care if he gets picks.

1037
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: We just already that can cover around Philadelphia's like that's

1038
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: their number. One time. They liked him in the draft process,

1039
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: I remember, I vividly remember nervously watching the picks countdown

1040
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: until the Eagles picked, thinking like, okay, if if Jones clears,

1041
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: Philly will get him, and if not, who knows what

1042
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: we'll do. Which that's you know, obviously it worked out

1043
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: the right way. But Philly likes him. They need a cornerback,

1044
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get so much freaking money in free agency.

1045
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: Interceptions are no interceptions, And that's just what I think

1046
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: is going to happen, because they are because I don't

1047
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: think they will have a tag to use on him.

1048
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong. And by the way, they are

1049
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: the team that we were just talking about that has

1050
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: those guys that they don't even knock the ball down

1051
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: like they've been without cornerbacks. That cornerbacks have been really bad.

1052
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: So they're like, give me a quarnerback that's gonna at

1053
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: least create incompletion. Stop good. They're like, you mean to

1054
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: tell me he can keep up with receivers. That's all

1055
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: we need, and you just need him to not be

1056
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: four yards behind the receiver. It was his first position coach. Oh, geez, Byron,

1057
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: wasn't it. Jerome Henderson and Joe Baker, Yeah, where's giants? Giants?

1058
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't know the giants Enjoran Generis Jenkins experiment didn't

1059
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: go so well. They're with the Giants? Who Joe Baker

1060
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: and Joe Baker Jerome Henderson is Yeah, they put the

1061
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: whole crew back together and Garretts getting the band back together. Wow. Um.

1062
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: But that's it creates an interesting riddle to solve because

1063
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: if Byron leaves in free agency, you have to sign somebody, Yeah,

1064
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: and you have the draft and you got to draft somebody. Yeah.

1065
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: If you don't sign somebody who's capable of starting. Then

1066
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly what they always say you can't do,

1067
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: which is pigeonholing yourself into a position where pick seventeen

1068
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: or pick fifty one or maybe both. Everyone need to

1069
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: be cornerbacks. Everybody knows it. You're like, Okay, these are

1070
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: the three guys they might be able to get, and

1071
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: that's just not a way to win a draft. That's

1072
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: how people jumped you in getting sure pay. And I mean,

1073
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I hate to bring up Nolan Carroll because that failed spectacularly.

1074
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: But if you can't keep Byron, then you will need

1075
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: to sign a guy like that who you can at

1076
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: least trot out there a week one if you don't

1077
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: draft somebody better. All right, real quick, let's hit these safeties.

1078
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: You got Cavon Phrase, you got Jeff Heath, You've got

1079
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Darien Thompson. Darren Thompson was an interesting guy, played some

1080
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: quite a bit for the Cowboys this year, and I

1081
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: thought he was Okay, he was solid, But I think

1082
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: at the safety position, that's basically what you've had the

1083
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: last years, or guys you can say at the best

1084
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: are solid players. Not signing any of those guys, not

1085
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: one of them. So we've just in this, in this,

1086
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: in this conversation, we've decided you got a draft linebacker,

1087
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: you decided you got a draft cornerback, you decide you

1088
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: got a draft safety. Are you signing? Seriously, I'm absolutely

1089
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: bringing back thirty eight the goat Heath. All y'all, kay, no, seriously,

1090
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: think about this before you get mad again. If you

1091
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: don't do anything, what I get it? How you have

1092
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: to address these problems before the draft you have? Okay,

1093
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: you know what I wonder? I wonder how. I wonder

1094
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: how the rest of the league, in particular these new

1095
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: coaches see him, because I think a lot of what

1096
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: he was here for all these years and why he

1097
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: got opportunities is because Garrett loved him and that coaching

1098
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: staff loved him. I don't know if another coaching staff

1099
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: that comes in and watches film on him is gonna

1100
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: be like, man, we look because part of what they

1101
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: love are the intangibles of who he is. Okay, I

1102
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: don't know if they love or get the name Jeff Heath.

1103
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: All I know is they need to sign a guy

1104
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: who can start, but they would prefer to not start.

1105
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: That's what the special teams. Jeff Heath is a special

1106
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: team's demon. Yeah, and in a in a perfect world,

1107
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: he would be on a small salary as my ace

1108
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: special teamer who can start in a pinch. But you

1109
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: need him here so that we're not sitting there at

1110
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: picks seventeen saying well it's gotta be Grant Delpit or

1111
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: else we're gonna suck. Yeah, because that would be what

1112
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to be there. No, he wouldn't be expensive.

1113
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: Would he just had a kid? Like he's he's not

1114
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: moving back to uh Lake Orion, Michigan or wherever he's from,

1115
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: Like it's not as cool as Dallas, Texas. Like there's

1116
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: a reason all these guys stay. There's a reason all

1117
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: these dudes stay. First, taxes, climate, there's a million reasons why. Um,

1118
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be here anyway. I'm not signing him

1119
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: like right away. He's going to test the market. Now,

1120
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: if he's a guy that can come back in the

1121
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, one two year deal, I'm all for that.

1122
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: If that's the role. That still kills Day's point that

1123
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: you want him by draft because you want to be

1124
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: able to draft. I'm talking about the second wave of

1125
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: free agency, which is like nine hours later after all

1126
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: the craziness happens in the first wave, and then I'm

1127
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: gonna be right here to laugh at y'all on March fifteenth.

1128
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he won't be. Remember you remember who

1129
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: their first you remember who their first signing was? Last

1130
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: year everything was last year is totally different. I'm just

1131
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: Darian Thoms. No, it was Jamazol Wally, and and years

1132
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: before that it was James Hannah and everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1133
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the big money. Earl Thomas is coming

1134
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: and it's Jamaezela Wally, and this year it's gonna be

1135
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. Everybody's gonna freak the hell out. The one

1136
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: thing I know about smile, the one thing I know

1137
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: about new coaches is they like to surround themselves with

1138
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: guys if they're comfortable with. And so it's people like

1139
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath that I could see ended up in in

1140
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: New York because the coaching staff buy in large, picked

1141
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: up and moved there. Fantastic point, right, And so I

1142
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: see a situation where these coaches will say, Hey, if

1143
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: we're gonna just have a solid safety, let's go get

1144
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: a solid safety that we know and trust and whoever

1145
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: that might be. I don't know who the name is.

1146
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: That's the guy that they go get Chris Banjoe seriously,

1147
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: like he's the same, it'll be the same guy, Like

1148
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: it won't be right. And again, all that does is

1149
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: just secure you that you don't have to rush into

1150
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: a bad decision in the draft. You got a guy

1151
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: that in a pinch, you can play at safety and

1152
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a solid guy for you. He's gonna

1153
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: a special team or that kind of thing. Is Chris

1154
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: Banjo under contract? Like he was with McCarthy Bay that name,

1155
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: he's freaking He's Jeff. He's Jeff Heath. Actually he's from Sugarland, Texas.

1156
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: He went to as MU. He was he was like

1157
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 1: the fifth safety on the Packers with McCarthy. He spent

1158
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: time with Nolan in New Orleans. Yeah. See, that's the

1159
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: kind of guy. I don't know if he goes there

1160
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: and he's available, Yeah, I don't as available he's available.

1161
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe y'all never heard of him. No, I'm sorry, Chris. Yeah,

1162
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean all right, we only have a few more

1163
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: minutes here, so I want to lock you guys down

1164
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: on Super Bowl picks. Who do you think is gonna

1165
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: win this weekend. Let's start with you, Nick, forty nine

1166
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: Ers by seventeen. I'd like I'd like for to be

1167
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: a close game. Chris Banjoe is a free agent. By

1168
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: the way, I'm just saying he remember Kyle cuts us

1169
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: out Banjoe. Okay, sorry, I just I don't know. I

1170
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can really stop the forty nine ers.

1171
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: That their defensive line is so good. They'll have that

1172
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: they'll have him running all over the place and he'll

1173
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: he'll be good doing it. But I think the way

1174
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: they run the ball and they just dominate the line,

1175
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: and I just see them winning the game, pulling it away.

1176
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: I hope the Chiefs win. Um. I love watching Patrick

1177
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Mahomes played, but I just think the forty nine Ers

1178
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: are so strong on the both lines. Yeah, that's I mean.

1179
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: I've thought a sneaking suspicion all week that the forty

1180
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: nine ers are gonna win because they're they're the more

1181
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: complete team. And I agree with everything Nick just said.

1182
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: Having said that they buckled down on Derrick Henry and

1183
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: made Tannehill beat him and he couldn't do it. And

1184
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo is better than Tannehill, but is

1185
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: he capable of lifting them if the running game's not there?

1186
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: Because the Chiefs proved if they commit to it, they

1187
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: can stop it. That's it's really I mean, I hope.

1188
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a fantastic game because the forty

1189
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: nine Ers are a better team, but the Chiefs have

1190
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: the best player in the game. And I've been saying

1191
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: all this player in the game too. I've been saying

1192
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: all week that I think the night but I can't.

1193
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't go against Mahomes. I can't. Like I've you know,

1194
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: I love Aaron Rodgers, Like a quarterback of that caliber

1195
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: just means so much. I think the Niners are the

1196
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: better team, but I think the Chiefs will find a

1197
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: way to win, all right, Amber, I think it's gonna

1198
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: be a closed game. But the forty nine Ers, the

1199
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: way they've been playing, at least on the defensive side

1200
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: of the ball, just the aggressiveness and the energy that

1201
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: as soon as the game starts, even the last game

1202
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: they played, it's like so much energy there. And if

1203
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: they can keep that up for this week, which I

1204
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: think they definitely can. Defense a defense like that with

1205
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: so much aggression and energy can definitely win you that

1206
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. There's so much like the Panthers to me

1207
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: a few years ago. I mean, they just sucked for

1208
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: so long that you're just gonna get good defensive players.

1209
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: You just keep stacking these defensive players together. A sudden

1210
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: they hit, you know, you get a real like Giants

1211
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: Patriots vibe like Buckner and Bosa are just terrifying Mahomes

1212
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: all day. But that's the thing is, Mahomes is not

1213
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: Tom Brady like. Mahomes can do crazy stuff like the

1214
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: run he had against the Titans, where you can do

1215
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: everything right and rush the hell out of collapse the pocket,

1216
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: and he still does something insane. And I know Cowboy

1217
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: fans want the forty nine ers to lose because they

1218
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: think that matters with the six and all that. I mean,

1219
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: they've already been passed right two teams twice, so you know,

1220
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: I think there's more to it than that, though. I

1221
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: think Cowboy fans just don't like the forty nine ers.

1222
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been an NFC rival for years chief decades,

1223
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: and that was the arrival back in the day Dallas

1224
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: Texans that it's a different way before any of us yeah,

1225
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: you know. I'll put it like this. I've seen some

1226
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: really great defenses throughout the history of the NFL. I've

1227
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: been able to witness. It's rare that a great defense,

1228
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: particularly a great defensive front, gets to Super Bowl and loses.

1229
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't care what kind of offense are going against.

1230
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: And we saw the greatest, in my opinion, the greatest

1231
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: offense in the history of the game at Patriots offense

1232
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: get beat in the Super Bowl because that defensive front

1233
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: was really, really good, and I just I believe that

1234
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: because of that, San Francisco has the edge in this game. Now.

1235
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Kansas City because i love watching Patrick

1236
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: Mahomes play. I'm a Patrick Mahomes fan, so I'm rooting

1237
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: for him to win this game. But when you look

1238
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: at it, I just I just think history says when

1239
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: you match up a really great I'm talking about a

1240
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: really great defensive front against whatever kind of offense, it

1241
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: typically ends up that defferensive defensive front wins this game.

1242
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna I'm gonna say San Francisco wins.

1243
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad I picked the Chiefs then, because it would

1244
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: be silly if we had a clean sweep on the show.

1245
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'll be rooting for the Chiefs, no

1246
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: doubt about our rooting for the chi I have not

1247
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: come across a Cowboys fan who's this rooting for the

1248
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: forty nine? Are you all right? We appreciate you, guys.

1249
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: You want us for back next Wednesday, more talk on

1250
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys till then for Nick even, Dave Hellman and

1251
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eelts and this has been The

1252
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:39,120
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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,960
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