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It's the show that she has the secrets 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: of success experience firsthand, by marketing and Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: I will know he's giving me advice on many occasions. 22 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: In the case you didn't notice, I'm not broke. You 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: know he'll be interviewing celebrity CEO, entrepreneurs and industry decision makers. 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: It's what he likes to do, it's what he likes 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: to share. Now it's time to hear from my man, 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald Money Making Conversations. Here we go. Welcome to 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation. I'm your host, Rashan mcconnald. It is 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: time to start reading other people's success stories and I 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: can always say every week, start writing your own. I 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: always tell you if you have gifts, leave with your gifts. 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: You have passion, leave with your passion and don't let 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: your age, friends, family, or coworkers stop you from planning 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: or living your dreams. All Money Making Conversation have a 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: lot of interviews with celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and people like 35 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: to call industry decision makers. My next guest is Gina Yashare. 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: Gene is releasing her first book, the memoir Cat Handed. 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: The British comedian of Nigerian heritage, is the co creator, 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: co executive producer, writer and actress in the CBS hit 39 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: series Bob Hopps Aba Showler. Her book Cat Handed chronicles 40 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: her odyssey our journey. We can use the over term 41 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: because she's funny and we're gonna talk about her humor 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: to America and bringing into Hollywood, and there's lively and 43 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: humorous memoir and it's I would to say, it's also informative. 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: We should put that in there because it talks about history. 45 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Jenna Yashare has appeared on appeared on countless television shows 46 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: both in the UK and the US. She's on her 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: way to being one of the great stars from Britain. 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: And guess what we share something. She performed on Death 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Comedy jam and it's the onliest British comedian performer Jeff 50 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: County jam. I also performed on Death Comedies and Please 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. Gina, Yeah, Shai, nice to 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: leave you. Sean, how you doing, my friend? Uh, let's 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: let's start with the name. Let's start with the names, 54 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: because that means you know, my name is Rushan and 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, as I was coming to them through the business, 56 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: I had so many people say my name different and 57 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: sometimes I let that slide because I just wanted to 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted stage time. I wouanted somebody to let 59 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: me in the front door. So if you caught me rude, Russian, 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: uh rashin, I went with it, you know. And then 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: it came to the point where rashan, what's my name? 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: And and I held to that, and then I corrected 63 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: people talk about your journey with your last name, and 64 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: also because I know it's important to talk about that 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: because people don't understand that it comes with respect, it 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: comes with also statue because once people started saying it right, 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: it means you elevating your game. Talk about your exactly 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: exactly I want to. Obviously, my name is Nigerli and 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: my parents to night from Benin City and Niger, and 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: my name is Yeah and that yeah, and it's actually 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: spelled I y A s H g r E. But 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: when I started doing comedy, they kept mispronouncing the name 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: and pronouncing the eye, which is almost silent, and so 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I so I dropped the eye from my name. So yes, 75 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: because the eyes almost saying yesterday, the eyes silent. So 76 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: I dropped the eye to help people put out pronounce 77 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: it properly. And they still mispronounced it for a long time. 78 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: I get called the sheer yes, like old. So I 79 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: have to make I've got this thing now I go 80 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: it's yesterday. I think yes, hooray and people, you know, 81 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: so I can tell who has done their research before 82 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: the show when they pronounced my name quit he did good. 83 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: I think you did. I like that, like that, like 84 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: I like the tush hooray, I like that. I like that. 85 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that almost like cheering your 86 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: name because actually exactly a breath of fresh air. You know, 87 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: you are breash of fresh air. And we want to 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: talk about a couple of things. You want to talk 89 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: about their Because I was a sitcom, right, you know 90 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I did? Uh? I did? Of course. I broke it 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: with Steve Harvey and Me and the Bars on ABC. 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: Then I did Robert Towns and Parenthood and Sister Sister 93 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: with the Twins, Tim Tomorrow Marrow and then Jamie Fox series, 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: and I also did Monique series, The Parkers, and so 95 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: I so we I wanted to do this interview because 96 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: of the fact that I felt we related a lot. 97 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: But you just came from British and you have a 98 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Nigerian background. But we are both people of color, which 99 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: means that we also experienced racism. Also, people passing over 100 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: was ignoring our talents. Talk about your journey a little 101 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: bit from the writing side, the sitcom side, to get 102 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: your story, your show that your co executive producer, that 103 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: you co created on the air on CBS. Yeah. I mean, 104 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: the thing is, I never considered myself a TV my. 105 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: I was like a stand up comic. That's what I do, 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: that's what I love, That's what I'm gonna do forever. 107 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: And I was hoping to become successful as that hugely successful. 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean I am successfuls to stand up comic guy 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: for quite a while, but that was all I wanted 110 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: to do. I've never been crazy ambitious. My dream was 111 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: to be the best friend on someone else's sitcom and 112 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: used that stydom to sell out bigger comedy clubs and arenas, 113 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: and that's all I wanted to do. People will offering 114 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: me gigs for years to write on TV shows, and 115 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't want to day job. 116 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to work for anybody else. I like 117 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: working for myself. I don't And I've heard horror stories 118 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: of the politics and things that go on in writer's rooms, 119 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, I want no parts of that. 120 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: So I avoided writing on a TV show from all 121 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: my career. This show came out of the blue. I 122 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: just got to call out the blue, but from Chuck Glory. 123 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: My agent got a call saying, Chuck Laurie of Big 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Bang Theory two and a half then he wants to meet, 125 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: and I was like okay. And I was living in 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: New York at the time, very happily doing my stand up. 127 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: I lived in l A for a few years, struggle 128 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: to make money, and I was like, you know what, 129 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to New York because as a stand up 130 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: come I can make a living in New York. I'm 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: getting New York. So I was living happily in New 132 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: York for six years, had no plans to come back 133 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. So I had this meeting. I flew 134 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: over to l A to meet Chuck. I mean, originally 135 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: I was like, well, they're flying me first class, right, 136 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: I've just come off along tour first class, And my 137 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: agent was like, uh, they don't fly people first class 138 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: because it's just from meeting. And I was like, well 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: then I'm not going. So basically I knew my work 140 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: from day one. I was like, if they really want 141 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: to meet me, I googled Chuck Lory, I've googled Warner Brothers. 142 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: I see how much money they got. They could afford 143 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: the first class tickets. So I held out for that, 144 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: and they did. They flew me first class for this meeting. 145 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: And I walked into a meeting with Chuck Worry and 146 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: basically he was like, I'm trying to make this show. 147 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: I love Billy Gardell, who I made Michael Molly with. 148 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I want to do another show with him, but this 149 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: time I don't. I don't want I want to productive 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: put the female protagonist to be a Nigerian woman. Wow us. 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: So obviously we were three white guys because it was 152 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Chuck Loriy, Eddie Gardetski and Our Higgins where he's main 153 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: two collaborators on a lot of few stuff. And he 154 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: was like, we're three white guys. We need you to 155 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: sort of consult on all things African. Now, in my head, 156 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: I was like what. I was not feeling it at all. 157 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: I was based suspicious. I was like, this feels exploitative. 158 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: I've seen you know, I've had ideas of mine stolen before. 159 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: So I was not. I was not into it at all. 160 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: But in the room, I was like, Okay, interesting, sounds interesting. 161 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: Let me think about it. And I left and I 162 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: called my agent and I was like, I don't want 163 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: to do this. This, this sounds weird to me. They 164 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: want me to consult on all things African. Sounds weird, 165 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: sounds racist. Don't want do it. But basically, my I 166 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: have friends and family who will call me out and 167 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: tell me when I'm being an idiot. And my brother 168 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: called me from London and screened at me for two hours. 169 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: My best friend called me from London screamed at me 170 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: for another two hours, and like, this is an opportunity. 171 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: You complain about the industry and how you're not authentically portrayed, 172 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: and now you've got an opportunity to do this and 173 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: you're turning it down. And I was like, you know what, 174 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: You're right. So I stayed in a room with Chuck 175 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: and Alan Eddie and we knocked out this pilot for 176 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: the Shower and I said to them, if I'm doing 177 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: the show, it's gonna be authentthentic. We want Nigerian actors 178 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: to play a lot of the roles, you know, because 179 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: when you watch TV and movies with Africans, the accents 180 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: are always wrong. America seems to see Africa as a 181 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: country and not a continent. There's lots of different countries, 182 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: different languages, different religions, different traditions, different styles of dress, 183 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: different everything. So I was like, if we're gonna do this, 184 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to be authentic. We're gonna I'm gonna pick 185 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: the tribe, I'm gonna pick the language. 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I'm talking to 234 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: Jeanie Yasha. She's the co creator, co executive producer of 235 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: this hit CBS series Bob Hawps Alba Shoulder. Now I'm 236 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: gonna just tell you right now. You know, being in 237 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: the writer's room with sitcoms, you know, and you were 238 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: not wrong in your feelings. Somebody comes in there, white 239 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: and and they're telling you they won't you be the 240 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: the official guide or voice for the African, the African 241 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Nigerian character. Right there, I'm like, really, okay, who is 242 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: this a joke? Really? So I felt you would see 243 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: they were right too, because they said, we'll go back 244 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: and ask more questions because this is, you know, Chuck 245 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: Laureate Big Bang theory. The guy, the guy is super rich. 246 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: We all know that, okay, and so and so absolutely 247 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: and so he really is, he really is? And so 248 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: and that's just a you know, uh two and a 249 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: half min just a number of series he's done over 250 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: the years. Because Barbar Laurie has been arounds long as 251 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: I've been doing sitcoms. Back in I've been writing no sitcoms. 252 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: So when the show Bob Hearts Bob Hearts at a 253 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: Shoulder came about and you did a pilot, did you 254 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: ask for any additional writers of color on staff? How 255 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: did they work out? Oh? Absolutely? Um. I said to them, Look, 256 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: here's the thing you've discovered me. But there's a lot 257 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: of means out there, and if we're gonna make this 258 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: show authentic, we can't be dealing having a room full 259 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: of the same old white guys that you've been working 260 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: with for years. So I want to make sure we've 261 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: got black marks in the room. But what I did, 262 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: I did I circumvented the normal way of trying to 263 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: force them to take on black rights, what I would 264 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: do with obviously on the start up comics. So I 265 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: book a comedy club and I'll be headlining, and I 266 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: put my black friends on the shows, and then invite 267 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: Chucking the guys to come to the shows. I invited 268 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: them shows, and I didn't tell my friends what I 269 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: was doing because I didn't want them to be nervous. 270 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: And I just go, yeah, just come and open the 271 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: show from me. I'm headlining, Come and do twenty minutes 272 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: up in front of me. So I invited my friends 273 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: onto the show and put them on the shows. And 274 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: then I invited Chuck and Alan Eddie to my comedy show. 275 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: And whenever they went, oh, we like that person. She's 276 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: very funny. We really liked her, and I go, we're 277 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: really good because she also writes. I. So I then 278 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: set up meetings between these comedies that they liked, and 279 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: then and that's how I got black black writers on 280 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: the show. So I got Gloria Bigielow, who was a 281 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: stand up comic in l A. That's how I got 282 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: her on the show. I put her on my comedy night. 283 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: They liked her. I was like, well, she writes, and 284 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: I put them together. They had a meeting, they loved her, 285 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: and now she has been a writer from day one 286 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: on the show. And that's how we did. And then 287 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: we went out and looked for young Nigerian writers and 288 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: young Black writers to put in the room. So that's 289 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, I insisted that the room has to reflect 290 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: this show, and they were open to it. They were 291 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: open to no one will be the only black riding 292 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: in the room fighting. I need other black writers and 293 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: I need women as well. I need a nice mixed room. 294 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: And that's what we did. So I'm very proud of that, 295 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: uh and that. And also when we were passing the show, 296 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: I made sure that I sat in all the auditions, 297 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: so when those black actors walked into a room and 298 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: saw me sitting there, they knew that they were not 299 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: going to be asked to do any kind of coonery. 300 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, well, you know 301 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: what that thing came up to me afterwards and said, 302 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: it was so good to see you in the room 303 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: because it made that It puts us at ease immediately. 304 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: I really people needn't understand the process that you're going 305 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: through and being a portrait and a person who was 306 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: involved in sitcoms right there, it can lead to stupid jokes, 307 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: It can move to I remember when Steve Harvey were 308 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: doing sitcom Me and the Boys on this first calm 309 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: for some reason, you know, whenever he would just scream, 310 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: then the audience in the stands would laugh. And so 311 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: the writer's in room suddenly will create moments. Don't you 312 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: scream here? Won't you scream here? He said, why because 313 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: the audience laughs. He said, that's not me. That was 314 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: just a moment that happened. And so so people you 315 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: need And plus I love the fact g you know 316 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: that you said, hey, I want more than my boys, 317 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: because sometimes you don't want to be the person that 318 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: leads everybody down this one line, and then you become 319 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: an expert when you're really not. You just talent the 320 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: person who lives this protsial, particular life and you need support. 321 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: And that's where the writer's room is about, especially in sitcoms, 322 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: because it's usually about just give people background information by 323 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: tending to have writers in the sitcom room because you 324 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: you pitch jokes, you pitch storylines, and I always tell people, 325 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: and Gena will agree with this, you're writer script and 326 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: you may think that's an Emmy winning script. You give 327 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: that script to the writer's room and the only thing 328 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: that's probably left on that script is the name of 329 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: the script in your name? Am I write? Oh yeah, absolutely, 330 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: we've written stopped and then we'll go back came. Then 331 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: it may change complete hundred percent, but the basic premise 332 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: premises there, and we all pitching to make it better. 333 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: And sometimes I've handed it a skip to go that's scene. 334 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: I but what's that toastic? And then we work on 335 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: it and I go, all right, you're right, it's better now. 336 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: I hate to admit it, but it's better. Absolutely. But 337 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: that's that's the whole part about And by bringing up 338 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: virtutile talent like you on because making that transition from 339 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: a stand up comic to a writer, and because the 340 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: check the money is good everybody. I'm just to let 341 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: you know you get health benefits. And I remember the 342 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: first time I saw my check, I showed it to 343 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: my wife. She said, you get paid all that, and 344 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I was just a staff right Affectually, I came on 345 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: board as an executive story of it, and you know 346 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: that checks nice, that was back in ninety two. Okay, 347 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: that check was way nice back in ninety two. It's 348 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: way better now. And so that's why. Really you might 349 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: see the people in front of the cameras working, but 350 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: sometimes the writers and the producers behind the cameras are 351 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: actually making more money than the actors in front of 352 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: the camera. Talk about that whole or awakening, because like 353 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: you said, you just wanted to do stand up, You 354 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: just wanted to be on stage. But then they are 355 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: awakening of getting that steady check, getting insurance, being validated 356 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: as a producing the writer opened so many more doors 357 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: and respect for your brand. Correct. Absolutely, I had no idea, 358 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: So I had no idea. So you know what. Originally 359 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: they brought me as a consultant. I was just gonna 360 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: be consultant, and a couple of days in Chuck was like, 361 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: you know what, Uh, you can't do their consultant. We 362 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: need you to help us write this show. So they 363 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: bumped me up to co create it. Because I created 364 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: the characters. I told them what the characters were gonna 365 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: be about, what they were gonna do. So I literally 366 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: created all the characters based on so they kind of 367 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: knew we can't do this without Gina, so they bumped 368 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: me up to co creator and producer. And so, you know, 369 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: when those check started coming and I was like, oh 370 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: my god, this white boys have been earning all this 371 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: money all this time. What have I been doing wasting 372 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: my life with this standard stuff? But you know, we 373 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: last we laughed. But that's true myself and as an actor, 374 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: because we're know I are talking about that, but we're 375 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: talking about you got a separate check when you wrote 376 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: a script. Now, I know back in the day it 377 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: was sixteen thousand dollars per script. I don't know what 378 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: it is now, but I'm pretty sure it's more than 379 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand dollars perscribed. And the check just keep coming in. 380 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. So obviously I get 381 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: a check as a writer produced, I get extra check 382 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: as a co creator. Then I also, because I'm a 383 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: comedian and I'm a performer, I wrote myself in as 384 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: an actor. I've always wanted to be the best friend 385 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: on someone else's sitcom. So when we started writing and 386 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: I was like, um, I think Sean that needs the 387 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: best friends. What do you think, guys? I think she 388 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: needs a confident And I created this character. They didn't 389 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: know I was creating it for myself, this character. So 390 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, you've got all those checks pluster with pepees. 391 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: You know, during the pandemic when there was a lot, 392 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: a lot of material because a lot of shows got 393 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: shut down. I show got repeated a lot, and these 394 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: sex just kept coming in and mail box money, mail 395 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: box money, come on now day. Oh, I'm like, this 396 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: is madness. And I was like, no one though, these 397 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: white boys love being on the shots because these checks 398 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: keep coming. Just something Gina, Uh, I still get checks 399 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: from Jamie Fox Show, that's nat. I still get checks 400 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: from Sister Sister, that's nint seven. I still get checks 401 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: from from the Parkers. That's two thousands. So you do, 402 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: those checks will keep coming. And that's why you go, 403 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: how these people living because they're living off residuals, they're 404 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: living off for royalties. And I just feel it's such 405 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: a blessing that Chuck really saw that and say, look, 406 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna do right by you. Okay, 407 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I can have you sitting over here as a consultant, 408 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: but the real money in the game is writing, co producing, 409 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: co creating. Put your name in those different titles. A 410 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: check comes with each one, and now that allows you 411 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: to pay it forward with your other peers on the 412 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: show and educate them about the process of Hollywood really works. 413 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: Isn't that really the process you now know? Now you 414 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: can share how Hollywood works exactly. I'm learning as I go, 415 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: and then as I learned, I called my all my 416 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: people and listen, this is what we gotta do. This 417 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: is where the money's at. We've got to create. We've 418 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: got to create. This is anybody wants to be in 419 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: front of the camera, which is all good, but your 420 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: mercy of the people behind the camera who are creating 421 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: and writing those flips. Now, let's go back. Let's go 422 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: back to Adoption of teams from foster care is a 423 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: topic not enough people know about, and we're here to 424 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: change that. I'm April Dinuit, the host of the new 425 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: podcast Navigating Adoption, presented by adopt Us Kids. Each episode 426 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: brings you compelling, real life adoption stories told by the 427 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: families that lived them. With commentary from experts. 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So, like I said, 453 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: I know we've never met Gina, but I just feel 454 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: that we have such a bond because we we journey. 455 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: I come from a big family, six histers, two brothers, Houston, Texas. 456 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: And your book cat Handed talks about uh Nigeria and 457 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: it talks about polygamy and talk about the British rule. 458 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: It talks about how people are considering what you're doing 459 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: to being sending for all asius living a lifestyle of polygamy, 460 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: but talked to about how that really was an advantage 461 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: and also since a royalty, like we joked off air 462 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: that in my family, my mom and dad suchially my 463 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: dad was in Nigeria having six shisters in two and 464 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: two sons. He was in great shape, three songs. He 465 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: was in great shape. So talk about that whole lifestyle, 466 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to come with your transfer over to London, England. 467 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: How their lifestyle and then we're gonna talk about coming 468 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: to America. Let's get started. In Nigeria, Yeah, I mean, obviously, 469 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: polygamy was widely practiced. My grandfather had many wives and 470 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: many children, and it was a matter of survival. It 471 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: was a matter of keeping a closeness in the family, 472 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: and the whole family lived on one complaint pound and 473 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: that's how it was. And it wasn't seen as citizal 474 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: to why people came over and we're like, what are 475 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: you're doing is wrong? It's there forward braining to these deities, 476 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna worship this white garden, this white Jesus and 477 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: basically force their religion and their lifestyle and their beliefs 478 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: on the African people. And and basically a lot of 479 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: our stuff got sort of watered down and lost over 480 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: the years, and to a certain point, we've forgotten some 481 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: of our original, um you know, traditions because it got 482 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: beaten and stolen from us, you know. Um. So that 483 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: was where my so my mother came from. That my 484 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: mother's father, she had lots of brothers and sisters from 485 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: various wives of her father and all the all the 486 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: women lived on a compound that it's not always not 487 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: always happy, you know, love and happiness. Because my mother's 488 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: mother was poisoned by one of the other wives because 489 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: there was some jealousy. There's a hierarchy and my mother's 490 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: mother was the first wife and so she, you know, 491 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: she was top of the hierarchy and was prone. She was, 492 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: you know, throne to resemble from the other wives. It 493 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: was like an episode of Dynasty or something. It's like 494 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: a real soap popular happily, but that was the tradition 495 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: and that was the life that my mom came from. 496 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: But as a daughter, which was kind of the patriarchy 497 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: in Nigeria's race young as a daughter, you know, a 498 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: lot of time the daughters weren't always educated. They were 499 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: motherhood and wiped him. But because my mother was keenly 500 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: intelligent and her father was a well traveled businessman. He 501 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: was traveling all over, were traveling over the mail because 502 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: doing business, so he was quite an open minded and 503 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: well traveled guy. And he chose to educate my mother 504 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: because you could see that my mother was extremely intelligent, 505 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: and she sent her to really good schools and she 506 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: was educated and my mother became one of the youngest 507 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: headmistresses school you know school principles in Nigeria. She was 508 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: in a school principle before she was twenty four years old, 509 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: so she was highly educated. And eventually she ended up 510 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: coming to England to further her studies. And it was 511 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: in England that she met my father. But basically she 512 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: was kind of like forced to go over it, right, 513 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: she was kind of killing mother was killed by the 514 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: other wife because she was so educated and so beloved 515 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: by her father. My mother, her mother had begged her 516 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: father to send her away that she's in danger from 517 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: the other wife. She was envious of her education and 518 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: the fact that she was so beloved by her father. 519 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: So after her mother died, her father was like okay 520 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: and sent her to England. Said, look, here's money, go 521 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: to England, further your studies. Make her life in England. 522 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: Because you know, England was seen as the motherland. Nigeria 523 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: was a British colony, so England was seen as the 524 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: motherland of night children. A lot of Nigerians wanted to 525 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: go to England to study, gain those qualifications and then 526 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: come back and bring their their new qualifications back to 527 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: my jew and help build the country. So my my 528 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: my grandfather sent my mother to England to study and 529 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: that's where she was and that's where she met my father, 530 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: and that's where my history begins. Well, your history where 531 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 1: your history is a great history, you know in the 532 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: cat candid, let's talk about that titlor because I want 533 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: to go. I'm talking to Jina Yashire. You know, she's 534 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: the co executive, he's the co creator, actress, co starring 535 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: on this series Bob Hearts Bob Hart ab Sholo, which 536 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: is a CBR hit series. Now, when when I talk 537 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: about this about you in general, Um, what I want 538 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: to make sure people understand is that cat handed is 539 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: a word for clumsy, awkward. You know, she's left handed. 540 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: That's what cat means left in the British terminology. So 541 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: where where are we leaving with? Is were leading with 542 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: the word awkward tired to cat? We leave the word clumsy, 543 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: tired to cat or just out of a fish out 544 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: of water, which one of those terms. Oh, there are 545 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: so many meanings for the books. As you you said, 546 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: cat handed is a British Oh, British word for left 547 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: handed also mean it's clumsy or good, which I don't 548 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: believe we are. I think we're living in the right 549 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: handed world, so we're perceived as clumsy. If I'm at 550 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: the bar and I'm next to you, what I'm talking about, 551 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm gesticulating with my left hand. I'm gonna knock, however, 552 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: your drink because you put your drink on the right 553 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: hand side of your body, which is your dominant hand. 554 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: My left hand is my dominant hand. I'm gonna luck 555 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: you drink over and then you're gonna call me clumsy, 556 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: but it's not. It's a right handed world and I'm 557 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: just clumsy in it because everything is catered for the 558 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: right handers. So that's why cat handed means it's clumsy. 559 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: And it also talks about my journey. My journey has 560 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: never been straightforward. I've had to duck, dive, and weave 561 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: and and circumvent various obstacles that have been put in 562 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: my way. So that's also another meaning of cat handed, 563 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: in that my journey has been unconventional. Also, khat is 564 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: another word for pooh. And I know if you knew that, 565 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: I did not know that my research. I didn't know 566 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: that in my research. You know, our research and your girl. 567 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: Many cultures, African culture, Middle Eastern culture, the left hand 568 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: is the hand that's supposed to be the one that's 569 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: used to wipe your bottom after you do a pooh 570 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: kat is another word for pooh, so kat basically means 571 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: pooh handed. So though are very and as a Nigerian, 572 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: because my family is African, I was born left handed. 573 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: For a long time, I was forced to write with 574 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: my right hand because the left hand is seen is unclean. 575 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: And even in the Bible, you know, there's terms that say, 576 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, Jesus sat on the right hand side of God. 577 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: The right hand is always the good side. The left 578 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: hand is always seen as unclean. So when I was 579 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: a kid, yeah, forced to write with my right hand, 580 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: forced to cook with my right hand, forced to do so. 581 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: If my mom walked into the kitchen and I was 582 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: serving up food with my left hand, I got a 583 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: slap around the head and all that food would go 584 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: in the flash and we start again. So hence that's 585 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: why the title of the book is that, because it 586 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: encompasses various aspects of my life on my journey. Wow, 587 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: you're amazing, uh, And I want to wrap up by 588 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: asking a couple of more questions. One, why did you 589 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: write the book? Because it's a memoir, you know, and 590 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: a memoir is usually told you want people to be 591 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: motivated by your story, which I am motivated by your story. 592 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: But why did you write the book? And also become relatable? 593 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: I felt a lot of your story was relatable because 594 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: if in the beginning and you know, well, you know, 595 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: you may be in London, England, but you dealt with racism, 596 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: just like I deal with racism in America, and sometimes 597 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: we don't understand that there's a Black Lives Matter the 598 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: movement and in London as it is in America. Talk 599 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: about the importance of the memoir and also talk about 600 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: how timeling this book is because it also is a 601 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: history less and books. It walks through the path of 602 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: how basically you can say that you know, Nigeria was 603 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: was was undermined it and basically robbed and the jury 604 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: and the success and the wealth was brought into British museums. 605 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: So talk about that and help us out as as 606 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: we as we recommend people to pick up this book 607 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: because it is an amazing book. Cat handed, Yeah, I 608 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: mean why I wrote the book convinually? It started off 609 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: as just on Instagram, there was a hashtag slowback Thursdays 610 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: where you past old pictures, and I was posting old 611 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: pictures and writing the story behind the pictures. So I 612 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: posted a picture and write an elaborate post explaining the 613 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: history behind the picture, and people were really interested in saying, 614 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, your stories is so good, why don't 615 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: you write a book? So I started keeping those posts 616 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: in a folder and eventually a literally agent saw my 617 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: post and contacted me and says, you need to write 618 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: the book. So I, you know, I kept the post like, well, 619 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: maybe one day in the future about the book. But 620 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: I never really considered that this would happen so soon. 621 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: So that's how the universe worked. And I wanted to 622 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: talk about my history because people don't seem to realize 623 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: that the UK started slavery, imperialism. The United Kingdom ruled 624 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: most of the planet at one point, so people think 625 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: that American racism is the be all and end all 626 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: the racism. No, Americans learned that from the Brits. Americans 627 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: came from the Bridge. What we don't what you know? 628 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: You don't realize that a lot of the black people 629 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: that are from the Islands Jamaica, Barbendos, Trinidad, so we 630 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: should these are all Caribbean descendants of slaves. The British 631 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: did their slavery slightly different from America, and that I 632 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: used to do a routine on stage where I did 633 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: the British did equivalent of the Americans did the equivalent 634 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: of going robbing someone's house, as is, stealing people from 635 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: Africa and bringing them back home to their own house. 636 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: The bridge that the equivalent of stealing stuff but keeping 637 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: it in other people's house, went to Africa and stole 638 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: black people. They didn't bring them all to England. They 639 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: hid their dirty doings and put the black people on 640 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: Caribbean islands too, for the for the sugar plantations and 641 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: on Caribbean islands, and that's where all those black people 642 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: who come from those islands are descendants of states. So 643 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: when African Americans, you know, there's been a discord for 644 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: a long time between African Americans and people coming from Africa, 645 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: people coming from the islands our history, it's almost identical. 646 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: Black people in the Caribbean almost suffered exactly the same cruelty, 647 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: exactly the same awfulness that they did on American land, 648 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: on plant plantations within America. So what I wanted to 649 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: do was when I wrote the book, I started with 650 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: the history of Africa, Nigeria in particular, and the history 651 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: of what Britain did to Africans and how they spread 652 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: black people all over the world. That it's not the 653 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: Belgians were the terrible slavers, the Dutch, the South Africa, 654 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, all of it. So I just wanted to 655 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: show the commonality between black people. Wherever you end up 656 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: in the diaspora, We've all had very similar experiences. Accents 657 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: might be different, we might speak different languages, but the 658 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: experiences are very similar. Um. So that's part of the 659 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: history of what when I explained that, and then when 660 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: I talk about my upbringing in England, I was also England. 661 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: People think called England, so genteel racism doesn't England and work. 662 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: You're now discovering it with what happened with you know, 663 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: Megan Market and Prince Harry. But racism is just as 664 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: prevalent in Europe as it is in America. I spent 665 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: my life running away from skinnets, being abused racially at work, 666 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: being pulled over by the police all the time for 667 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: no reason. The only reason that less black people die 668 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: at police hands in England is because our police do 669 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: not carry guns on a routine basis. They only carry 670 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: guns for uh for for particular incidents where they are 671 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: then have given special permission to have. They do not 672 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: carry guns on a day basis. And that's the only 673 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: reason the black people are not dying at the hands 674 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: of police at the same numbers in England as America. 675 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: The only reason the police in America are just as 676 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: racist as the ones in England. The ones in England 677 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: just as racist as a man. So I wanted to 678 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: cover some of that in my book. I mean, there's 679 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: obviously humor. I'm a comedian. I want to make you laugh, 680 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: so I'm also talking, you know, putting injected quite a 681 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: lot of humor in the book. But I wanted Americans 682 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: reading the book to see that we have black people 683 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: who have much more in common all over the world 684 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: than we've been led to believe. You are amazing. Gina 685 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: Yashare her book Cat Candid as a memoir about her 686 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: life her journey. She's also CBS start I'm a movie 687 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: of to Start start Up as a comedian, writer, co producer, 688 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: co creative. Thank you for taking the time to come 689 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: on Mind and Making conversation. Gina, You're amazing. Thank you 690 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: so much for having me. 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