1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Daybreak EUROP podcast. Good morning, It's Tuesday, the thirtieth of December. 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Carolyn London. Coming up today. The price of 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: silver rebounds after plunging by the most in years as 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: traders booked profits. We have a special report on how 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: China's shadow lng fleet is offering a lifeline to Putin 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: plus Arise Sir Idris. The UK's new year's honors list 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: is revealed, including knighthoods for the actor as well as 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: for the new ambassador to the US. Let's start with 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: a roundup of our top stories. The price of silver 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: is rebounding after its biggest one day drop and more 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: than five years. The white metal is trading around seventy 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: four dollars announce, following a nine percent slide in the 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: previous session as traders booked profits following a powerful year 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: end rally. Mike mcglow has senior Commodity strategist at Bloomberg Intelligence. 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: The narratives that they're using now for pulling up silver 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: have been around for years. We've all known about the 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: demand from soul and everything, But to me now it's 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: in that speculative excesses stage. I think people are realizing 20 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: it's much more beneficial maybe to allocates to some precious 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: metals where there's only four versus cryptocurrencies where there's. 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: Twenty eight million, Mike McGowan speaking there as Gold also 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: regained its footing and trading today following its steepest drop 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: in two months. Despite the sudden pullback this week, both 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: precious metals are still on track for their best annual 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: performances since. 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy nine. 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: Russian President Vladimir Putin says he will revise his country's 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: negotiating position after claiming Ukrainian drones targeted his residence. According 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: to the Kremlin, Putin told you US President Trump of 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: his decision in a call on Monday. Kiev has cast 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: the Russian claims as fabrication aimed at derailing the peace process, 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: his Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, whose words are spoken 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: by a translator. 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: Much on the night from the twenty eighth to the 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: twenty ninth through Decent twenty twenty five, the Kiev regime 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: carried out a terrorist attack using ninety one long range 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: attacking drones against the State residents of the Russian President 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 4: in the Novgorod region. All drones were destroyed by the 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: air defense system of the Russian Armed Forces. No information 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: has been received for regarding casualties or damage caused by 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: the drone debris. 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Lavrov adda that Russia will retaliate and that targets had 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: already been selected. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski dismissed the Russian 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: claims as a new lie and warned that Moscow could 46 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: be using it as an excuse to prepare an attack 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: on government buildings in Kiev. However, President Trump appeared to 48 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: side with Putin while speaking with reporters. 49 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 5: So one thing to be offensive because they are offensive, 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 5: it's another day to attack his house. It's not the 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 5: right time to do any of that, and can't do it. 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 5: And I learned about it from President Bonde was very. 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: Angry about it, as when Trump was speaking. 54 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: As one Kremlin advisor told Russian media that while Moscow 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: intends to work closely with it's the US on peace efforts, 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: it will reconsider a number of previously reached agreements. The 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: US president meanwhile, it's threatened to strike Iran again if 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the country rebuilds its nuclear capacities. Speaking as he met 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Neettan Yahoo, Donald Trump expressed concern 60 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: that Iran is seeking to revive the program. 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 6: Now. 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 5: I hear that Iran is trying to build up again, 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 5: and if they are, we're going to have to knock 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 5: him down. 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: We'll knock him down. We'll knock the hell out of them. 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: But hopefully that's not happening. 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 5: I heard Iran. 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 7: Wants to make a deal. 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: If they want to make a deal, that's much smarter. 70 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: You know, they could have made a deal the less 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 5: time before we went through, you know, the big attack 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 5: on them. 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: The US President also said he would support Israel and 74 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: striking Iran if it continued with its ballistic missile program. 75 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: The comments comments. 76 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Tehran has seen a wave of protests after the local 77 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: currency slumped to a record low, pushing up food prices 78 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: and deepening an economic crisis in the sanctions hit country. 79 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: Pockets of London, so called Stockbroker Belt, suffered as the 80 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: biggest house price declines in twenty twenty five, as the 81 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: southeast of England and the capital fell behind other regions 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: with more Here's Bloomberg's Crispit. 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 7: The figures from Lloyd's Bank reveal a chasm in house 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 7: price growth between areas in and around the capital, the 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 7: most expensive in the UK, and the rest of the country. 86 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 7: The West Sussex town of Crawley and high Wickham saw 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 7: the biggest falls of any UK town or city, with 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 7: prices there falling by eight point nine percent and seven 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 7: point four percent respectively. The figures are in stark contrast 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 7: to large swedes of the rest of the UK, with 91 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 7: Plymouth and the southwest of Stafford in the West Midlands 92 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 7: topping the list for house price growth in twenty twenty five, 93 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 7: with both areas enjoying increases of more than twelve percent. 94 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 7: In London, Chrispit, Bloomberg. 95 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: Radio and more than one thousand people have been recognized 96 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: in the UK's New Year Honors list. Actress Idris Elber 97 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: as being whilst reh Aviigman has been made an honorary 98 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: Dame after leading England's women's football team to back to 99 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: back victories at the Euro's Former Olympic Ice dancers Jane 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Torvill and Christopher Dean are also being honored. They say 101 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: they're thrilled with the accolade. 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 8: It looks like a. 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: Little kid jumping up and down. It can sit still. 104 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 8: I mean, it's such an amazing award to honor and 105 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 8: we're really humbled by it. We've been together for fifty 106 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 8: years and skated and performed and entertained over all that time. 107 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: Jane Torville and Christopher Dean speaking there. The UK's new 108 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: ambassador to the US, Christian Turner, is also being knighted 109 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: for services to foreign policy, alongside Barbara Woodward, a diplomat 110 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: who will be named Deputy National Security Advisor and is 111 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: set to become a dame with Those are your top 112 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: stories on the markets. The MSCIS Pacific Index flat this morning, 113 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: the NICKA in Tokyo down three tenths of one percent. 114 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: The Hangkstang in Hong Kong, though up by one percent. 115 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: Eurostocks fifty features are just slightly lower this morning, as 116 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: our SMPM and e's on Wall Street. The tenure treasury 117 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: yield is up a basis point to four point one 118 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: two percent in a moment more on the volatility in 119 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: gold and silver prices, plus a Bloomberg investigation takes you 120 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: inside China's shadow LNG fleet that's offering a lifeline to 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. 122 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: Another story that I've been reading this morning about. 123 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: The rise of the silver content creator Bloomberg Opinions, Andrea 124 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Papuk has been writing about the wave of influencers who 125 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: are gaining followers into their sixties and beyond. Take for example, 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Aki and Kochi, who are a couple from California in 127 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: their seventies or a huge hit on social media showcasing 128 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: their daily outfits. Andrea writes this is both the reflection 129 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: of how wealthy this generation is, but also how it 130 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: particularly provides a voice for older women to reclaim their 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: voice and visibility. 132 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: She says it'll. 133 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: Take more than a bunch of influencers to dismantle unconscious 134 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: bias in the workplace that limits's career progression, But she 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: says we shouldn't dismiss the impact of the rise of 136 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: these older influencers either. As populations age and people delay 137 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: their retirement, these third age influencers are restoring some relevance 138 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: and legitimacy to age groups which are sidelined in many professions, 139 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: and it signals to those born after nineteen eighty that's 140 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: shaping tastes, sparking trends, and driving product interest online doesn't 141 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: have to fizzle out as the years pass, and you 142 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: can still have digital clout for decades to come. Perhaps 143 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: some comfort to those of us who are thinking ahead 144 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: into the future. You can read Andre's peach a Bloomberg 145 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: dot com forwards Lash opinion, and we'll put a link 146 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: to it in our podcast show notes as well. Let's 147 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: turn back to what's been happening on markets as well, 148 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: as well as that plunge that we've seen in silver 149 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: and goal prices, some rebound in trading today, our market's 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: live stretch. As Mark Cranfield is with us now for 151 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: more and more. Good to talk to you. So pretty 152 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: dramatic drops in silver in particular down nine percent yesterday, 153 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Goal down as much as five percent. Talk us through 154 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: where things are trading today and what we should be 155 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: reading into this volatility. 156 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 9: Both a little bit higher today. In fact, it is 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 9: platting on which is helping out quite a bit. That's 158 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 9: helping to push silver higher. Goal is higher, but it's 159 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 9: lugging behind the other two. Quite a bit of it though, 160 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 9: has got to do with the weakness in the US dollar, 161 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 9: and some of that is because of the Chinese currency. 162 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 9: As you were saying earlier it's gone below dollar yu one. 163 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 9: That's gone below seven for the first time in a 164 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 9: couple of years for the onshore market, so that's generally 165 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 9: helping currencies. Australian dollars one of the best performance today 166 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 9: and that's typically what happens when the yue is also 167 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 9: performing well. As far as silver is concerned, though it's 168 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 9: rebounding slightly today, it probably isn't going to last because 169 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 9: the way in which it reversed after the cash market 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 9: reached about eighty four at one stage yesterday, we're trading 171 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 9: down to seventy four now, but during that reversal it 172 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 9: was on huge trading volumes. People talk about this time 173 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 9: of year being quiet, thin liquidity, there is no indication 174 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 9: at all that they were seeing liquidity in the precious metals. 175 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 9: In fact, if you look at the futures market, the 176 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 9: combined volumes for Friday and Monday were the two biggest 177 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 9: days of the year in twenty twenty five, even though 178 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 9: it's December, so it shows you there's still a lot 179 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 9: of people involved in the market and the speed of 180 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 9: liter reverse suggests that silver will probably have a soft 181 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 9: start to twenty twenty six. 182 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean the year today figures are incredible for silver 183 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: a nearly one hundred and sixty percent higher, gold up 184 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: some sixty seven percent. Should we expect to see as 185 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: much of a focus on these precious metals into twenty 186 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: twenty six as we have this year. 187 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 9: Well, it's an unusual set of conditions which have come 188 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 9: together to make precious metals in demand, and for the moment, 189 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 9: those things are very much in place. So you have 190 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 9: falling interest rates in the United States. We still expect 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 9: for the Reserve to lower interest rates a couple more 192 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 9: times next year. You have a relatively weak US dollar. 193 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 9: Chances are that the dollar will stay under pressure next year. 194 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 9: That's all supportive of precious metals. In addition to that, 195 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 9: you have a lot of geopolitical tension around the world, 196 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 9: whether it's UK and Russia, whether it's China, Taiwan, whether 197 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 9: it's other parts of the Middle East as well, all 198 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 9: of those things. In fact, some people describe twenty twenty 199 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 9: five as are on the busiest year for geopolitics for 200 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 9: a decade now. Obviously, silver gold are places that people 201 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 9: tend to go to as a hedge against that. So 202 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 9: you have this unusual situation where it's both being used 203 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 9: as a hedge and as a play on what's happening 204 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 9: in the monetary policy situation as well. It doesn't often 205 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 9: come together at the same time. So all of those 206 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 9: things that are very much in place, and they will 207 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 9: probably continue to support the precious metals into the early 208 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 9: part of the year at least. 209 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: Mark. 210 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: We've spoken many times over the past year on days 211 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: when we've seen big market movements, But I wonder when 212 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: you look back as the year as a whole, I mean, 213 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: is it the geopolitics that characterize the moves we've seen 214 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: on markets? Is twenty twenty five going to be remembered 215 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: as an exceptional year on markets? 216 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 9: I think what we've learned this year is the influence 217 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 9: of governments is probably greater on financial markets, and it's 218 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 9: been for a very long time. So typically, if you're 219 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 9: a trader, you look at what central banks are doing, 220 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 9: You look at where they're positioned in terms of hiring, 221 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 9: whether raising or lowering interest rates, what that means for 222 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 9: various financial markets, and then governments are somewhere down the 223 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 9: list that has gone completely the other way around. Now 224 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 9: clearly what's happening and we see it particularly United States, 225 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 9: in China and Japan, the moves by governments, whether it's 226 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 9: to influence fiscal policy, whether it's to influence geopolitics, is 227 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 9: having a much greater weight on the thinking in financial 228 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 9: markets even than what central banks are doing. So that 229 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 9: is a change which has really taken place this year 230 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 9: and may well continue through into next year as well. 231 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, thanks so much for joining us for your analysis. 232 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: As always our market's live strategist, Mark Cranfield, stay with us. 233 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: More from Bloomberg Daybreak Europe coming up after this. 234 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 6: Now. 235 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: A shipping network designed to circumvent restrictions on sanctioned Russian 236 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: gas has been quietly growing thanks to cooperation between Beijing 237 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: and Moscow. Russia has been working with China to create 238 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: a parallel system similar to the one it uses for 239 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: oil that's less vulnerable to Western intervention. Bloomberg has been 240 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: investigating the extent of this network, and Steven Stopchinski, who 241 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: leads our team covering energy and as it, joins us 242 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: now for more. 243 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: Stephen, good to talk to you. 244 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: How big is this network of shadow vessels that's moving 245 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: Russian LNG. 246 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 10: So we've been able to identify fifteen vessels that are 247 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 10: in the shadow fleet, linking either to Russia or to China. 248 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 10: Now this is relatively small in the grand scheme of things. 249 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 10: The Shadow oil fleet has over one thousand vessels. But 250 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 10: I think what's interesting here is this is just the beginning. 251 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 10: There are more vessels that could potentially be added as 252 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 10: they get older. Generally, the shadow fleet operates on older vessels, 253 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 10: and there are now ten percent of the global LNG 254 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 10: fleet that are over twenty years old. That is potentially, 255 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 10: you know, going to be scrapped. They're seen as dinosaurs. 256 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 10: They're too old to continue operating. And that's where the 257 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 10: shadow fleet kind of operates in that realm where the 258 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 10: people behind the scenes could potentially decide to buy these 259 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 10: vessels instead of going to the scrapyard. They offer a 260 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 10: little bit more money to get them, turn them dark 261 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 10: and start delivering this sanctioned fuel from Russia to China. 262 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: Talk to us about the role that China is playing 263 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: and I suppose creating this fleece. 264 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 10: So what's interesting is it's not just helping to create 265 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 10: the fleet, but they're also the buyer. 266 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 3: Right, you can't have a shadow fleet. 267 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 10: If you just have people selling the energy and putting 268 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 10: it on the water in going places. That's what happened 269 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 10: in twenty twenty four. The US had slaped the Biden 270 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 10: administration slab sanctions on Russia's Arctic energy to facility in 271 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 10: northern Russia in twenty twenty three. When it began producing, 272 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 10: they just couldn't find any buyers. 273 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: No one wanted to touch it. 274 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 10: The Biden administration sanctioned all the energy vessels that went 275 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 10: to the facility, the shadow fleet ships, and no one 276 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 10: wanted it. But now in twenty twenty five, the Chinese 277 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 10: have basically designated one energy import terminal in southern China 278 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 10: called Behai, to just only take sanctioned energy from Russia. 279 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 10: That's likely to help insulate their other companies which buy 280 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 10: energy from the United States and other Western nations that 281 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 10: have slap sanctions on Russia. And so one they're a buyer. 282 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 10: Two they're helping to start to collect some vessels. Two 283 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 10: ships have been identified that have not been sanctioned yet 284 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 10: by the United States or Western authorities that are helping 285 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 10: to ferry fuel from sanctioned Russian plants or Russian ships. Now, 286 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 10: all of this together is creating sort of this network 287 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 10: that is allowing Russia to export the sanctioned fuel and 288 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 10: again sort of mimic that peril network that we saw 289 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 10: built for oil. 290 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: This is a fascinating piece of reporting. Stephen. 291 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: Can you talk us a little bit through how you 292 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: and the team managed to track these ships? 293 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 294 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 10: I mean, first off, there is a lot of these 295 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 10: ships have AI S tracking systems in them, so we're 296 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 10: able to see where they're going and when they pick 297 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 10: up sanctioned fuel. Now the Chinese ships are a bit 298 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 10: trickier we have to look at. Basically, we talked to 299 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 10: brokers to figure out how these ships are are are 300 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 10: being purchased or sold. When an old ship is purchased 301 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 10: by an unknown company, that kind of puts off an 302 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 10: alarm bell within the industry that says, hey, maybe this 303 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 10: ship is trying to go dark. Now, there was one 304 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 10: ship called CCH Gas that did a ship to ship 305 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 10: transfer with a sanctioned Russian vessel. We were able to 306 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 10: track it from the very beginning with satellites. 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