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Speaker 1: Welcome and everybody. We've got Patrick No C.
Speaker 5: Walker, We've got Josh Rodriguez, We've got Tommy Yarish with
Speaker 5: Chris Beam in the beck. I'm Kyle Yeoman. So glad
Speaker 5: you've joined us. We have flipped the calendar to June.
Speaker 5: We are one month closer to football. We are right
Speaker 5: around the corner now. Of course, OTA's continue this week.
Speaker 5: We've got access to practice starting this afternoon and so
Speaker 5: we'll get to talk to coach Schottenheimer shortly, get to
Speaker 5: talk to the players in the in the locker room,
Speaker 5: much like we did all of last week as well.
Speaker 5: Media days are this week and that's a big thing
Speaker 5: around here. So it's kept all of us busy over
Speaker 5: the last couple of days, but getting some FaceTime with
Speaker 5: some of these players, getting to really know and feel
Speaker 5: that culture that Brian Schottenheimer continues to try and build here.
Speaker 1: And then next week it is mini camp time.
Speaker 6: Indy caa't we're only ninety some odd days.
Speaker 1: Away from edatory too. It's mandatory minatory. That's a big word.
Speaker 1: It's a big, big word around here.
Speaker 4: Many annually it's a big word around these parts.
Speaker 1: It's see can you spell it?
Speaker 5: Like the Frisco, Texas or the Allen, Texas native that
Speaker 5: won the National Spelling Bede the.
Speaker 6: Other day, No shouts to that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys areticipating in the spelling I did once.
Speaker 5: I didn't win it, shocker, but I did actually participate.
Speaker 6: In What word did you stumble on? I don't remember
Speaker 6: what was the best word.
Speaker 1: That you got.
Speaker 6: I don't remember indubitably spell it.
Speaker 1: That's it. I tripped up on that one. I know
Speaker 1: exactly what.
Speaker 4: I wasn't the spelling bee annually from like grade school
Speaker 4: all the way up to ninth grade, and I would
Speaker 4: routinely make district and stayed a couple of times back
Speaker 4: in Georgia.
Speaker 1: But the thing, the word that really states finalist Patrick
Speaker 1: it is. That's why he's got to say what it is.
Speaker 4: Words are me and I am words. So to this
Speaker 4: day I can spell it in my in my sleep
Speaker 4: because that was where that got me eliminated.
Speaker 1: No, we're not doing that right now.
Speaker 6: Spell it why O N O.
Speaker 1: It's the last part that'll throw you after A. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have O N O M A T O
Speaker 1: P O. That's what the yeah the yeah.
Speaker 4: So I was like pe and they were like they're like,
Speaker 4: get out of here. Would you do this to a
Speaker 4: sixth graderic? Did you throw out of the sixth grader
Speaker 4: in front of everybody, all of their loved ones.
Speaker 1: That's traumatic. Hey, you're a professional writer, now made it
Speaker 1: worked out?
Speaker 6: Haha, jokes on you unqualifying.
Speaker 5: I feel like Tommy would have won like every spelling
Speaker 5: severly not.
Speaker 7: No, I didn't participate in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Texas education, then give you any opportunity that is.
Speaker 7: No, I'm nowhere.
Speaker 8: I'm nowhere near smart enough to participate in the spelling
Speaker 8: be yeah me neither. I use auto correct is the
Speaker 8: greatest invention that ever happened to technology, just because there
Speaker 8: are so many Like even to this day, there are
Speaker 8: simple words that I like just misspelled from time to time,
Speaker 8: and I just keep seeing it corrected and corrected. I'm
Speaker 8: really making myself sound horrible here, but that's all right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, no, but no.
Speaker 8: Autocorrect is a great tool and I'm very glad it's
Speaker 8: there because spelling spelling bees would never have been in
Speaker 8: my future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird, my my.
Speaker 5: Whenever I type in my my text messages, it says
Speaker 5: OT as it automatically corrects it to news and notes.
Speaker 1: Patrick, would you like to give us some OT? Hey?
Speaker 7: Give them give them another for that?
Speaker 3: Lord.
Speaker 4: Okay, so news and notes obviously no no transactions uh
Speaker 4: here over the past week, past couple of weeks, since
Speaker 4: OT has have begun. We'll see if the Cowboys continue
Speaker 4: that trainer, if they make a move here as mandatory
Speaker 4: mini camp gets ready to fire up, and then of
Speaker 4: course they will go into their lull before training camp.
Speaker 4: But now that it is officially June and it is
Speaker 4: June second, some transactions should start to land around the
Speaker 4: league now that it's post June first, June third, Hey,
Speaker 4: there you go, but it's.
Speaker 1: Still post June first.
Speaker 6: It is post June first, technically first.
Speaker 1: However you slice it, so some transaction should start.
Speaker 6: Taking points off of that one like a spelling bee,
Speaker 6: like a spelling.
Speaker 1: Trigger. But no.
Speaker 4: So for the most part, news and notes are based
Speaker 4: on conversations that we've all had with players in the
Speaker 4: locker room coming out of OTA's last week and the
Speaker 4: week prior, as well as just observations for God that
Speaker 4: we've seen on the field. I will say one of
Speaker 4: the biggest news and notes for me kind of leads
Speaker 4: right into a guy who's going to be leaned upon heavily.
Speaker 4: A lot of odds are on him, and I'm talking
Speaker 4: about Tyler Goyiton. Tyler Goyton, he sounds much more confident,
Speaker 4: not that he didn't sound confident last year this time
Speaker 4: last year, but as the season war on and he
Speaker 4: really began to feel the rigors of the NFL season
Speaker 4: and what that means and what that entails, and the
Speaker 4: toll it took on his body, and he came to
Speaker 4: an awakening and understood that.
Speaker 1: He wasn't taking as great of care of his body
Speaker 1: as he thought he was. So what does he do?
Speaker 4: He gets with Tyler Smith, he gets with the Cowboys
Speaker 4: nutritionists completely overhauls his diet, ditches fast foods and fried foods,
Speaker 4: entirely switches to high protein meals. He said, lots of salmon, steak, chicken,
Speaker 4: things like that. He is leaner, and I asked him
Speaker 4: if he's looking to tweak a little bit more going
Speaker 4: into training camp, maybe add some more muscle mass. Not
Speaker 4: that he's a slim guy by any stretch of the imagination,
Speaker 4: but you can see that some of that added unnecessary
Speaker 4: weight has completely melted off. He said, he's moving much better.
Speaker 4: He's moving his mass much more easily. His joints feel better.
Speaker 4: That's great news because he understands exactly what the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Need him to be.
Speaker 4: Going into year two, this is a revamped offensive line.
Speaker 4: With Zach Martin now retiring, the elder Statesman are Terrence
Speaker 4: Steele and Tyler Smith, and Tyler Smith is going into
Speaker 4: year four, So that tells you an elder statesman in
Speaker 4: year four a lot of youth there. So the blind
Speaker 4: side of Dak Prescott's going to have to be pretty solid.
Speaker 5: I want to hit on Tyler guid In there because
Speaker 5: that was a big storyline from this past week because
Speaker 5: it started with Brian Schottenheimer talking about him in the
Speaker 5: press conference and alluding to how good of an offseason
Speaker 5: he's had because he was talking about all the offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: The question it was your question, It was.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I asked you about Booker, about Tyler Booker, and
Speaker 8: he kind of on his own accord, went out of
Speaker 8: his way to talk about Tyler Geyton. And so you
Speaker 8: know that says something that, Okay, this guy's sticking out
Speaker 8: of practice to the head coach. But you know, at
Speaker 8: least from our perspective, and you know, I wasn't here
Speaker 8: last year during training camp, but there were a couple
Speaker 8: of times where I heard you guys talking about man,
Speaker 8: this guy Stonewall, Nica Parsons, and you know, he's looking
Speaker 8: really good, but you know, the ebbs and flows in
Speaker 8: terms of okay, he's out these days and he's.
Speaker 7: Not getting the snaps on certain days.
Speaker 8: For a rookie, especially a left tackle, one of those
Speaker 8: premium positions in football, that's valuable reps that you're missing.
Speaker 8: So now that he's healthy, Brian schodheimmer mentioned he's been
Speaker 8: here every day for OTAs and every day for practice.
Speaker 8: Those are reps that a young guy like him absolutely
Speaker 8: needs to get better.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 8: It's great that he's done the work with his body,
Speaker 8: and it's great that he's slimmed up, but some of
Speaker 8: the issues that he had last year were cerebral and
Speaker 8: you know, just way too many bad penalties. So I
Speaker 8: appreciate him, you know, I appreciate him making the changes
Speaker 8: in his body, and it's something that a lot of
Speaker 8: young players have to deal with in terms of changing
Speaker 8: their diet, getting their lifestyle right. But there's still a
Speaker 8: lot that he needs to do to really take that jump.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 8: Cowboys offensive linemen have done that in year one to
Speaker 8: year two. They've taken jumps forward. But Guy's got a
Speaker 8: big chef to take and I think, you know, he's
Speaker 8: going to really benefit from a coaching staff that has
Speaker 8: prioritized the offensive line with guys like Clayton Adams and
Speaker 8: Connor Riley.
Speaker 6: I think we talked about that last year after he
Speaker 6: was drafted and coming into the league, in that he
Speaker 6: didn't necessarily have an offseason. He immediately jumped into training
Speaker 6: and that was something that switched positions and switch positions.
Speaker 6: So I mean, of course there's going to be growing
Speaker 6: pains along with that, and then he had some health
Speaker 6: availability issues during camp and throughout the season. I think
Speaker 6: all of that is combined in saying that he didn't
Speaker 6: necessarily have a break as soon as he was drafted
Speaker 6: to the NFL. Now with a better understanding of how
Speaker 6: the year is going to go for him from a
Speaker 6: playing aspect, and on top of it, two, your article
Speaker 6: was excellent, felt I was reading like a bodybuilder magazine article.
Speaker 6: I mean, because I loved articles on like health, fitness, nutrition,
Speaker 6: all of that. I mean, it doesn't look like I
Speaker 6: love it, but I do.
Speaker 4: I swear disagree. I also disagree, and I mean behind
Speaker 4: the scenes, I know the work that you put in
Speaker 4: the gym.
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly so, but I love that. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 6: love it. It's it's inspirational, for sure, But it also
Speaker 6: go to the goes to show how he's maturing in
Speaker 6: a way, like you said getting rid of like even nutrition,
Speaker 6: like saying fast foods all of that. It's clear that
Speaker 6: he's putting in the work. Obviously, now he has a
Speaker 6: better understanding of how the season is going to go
Speaker 6: and what the position is going to demand of him.
Speaker 5: Well, we talked about and Tommy alluded to the year
Speaker 5: one to year two jump. Think back to Tyler Smith.
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith was a solid rookie season. He put together
Speaker 5: a great rookie season, played a lot of left tackle,
Speaker 5: kind of bounced around a little bit, and then once
Speaker 5: he settled into a spot and had a full off season,
Speaker 5: he became a Pro Bowler the year after that. I'm
Speaker 5: not anticipating a Pro Bowl type season from from Tyler
Speaker 5: Guidon actually a second team ap for Tyler Smith too.
Speaker 5: You're not anticipating that sort of jump. But what is
Speaker 5: the jump that's anticipated from Guidon that would ease your
Speaker 5: mind about the offensive line, because to answer my own question,
Speaker 5: it would be a considerable solidified starter at left tackle,
Speaker 5: somebody that you can rely on.
Speaker 1: Does he have to have a Pro Bowl No? Does
Speaker 1: he have to have an All Pro No? Would both
Speaker 1: of those things.
Speaker 5: Be awesome If you can get that type of play
Speaker 5: out of them, absolutely make it happen. However, I think
Speaker 5: as long as he solidifies his availability one and stays
Speaker 5: on the field and becomes a solidified starter to where
Speaker 5: the penalties go down, the pressures go down, that's what
Speaker 5: it would look like.
Speaker 4: So for me, I agree, it looks like, you know,
Speaker 4: a significant reduction in penalties and it looks like a
Speaker 4: significant increase in availability.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, so he played in eleven games.
Speaker 4: Exactly, So stay on the field, remain healthy, do away
Speaker 4: with the large majority of the penalties, and I think
Speaker 4: that the wrist will kind of start to settle in,
Speaker 4: because again, this is going to be the first or
Speaker 4: the second full year, only the second full year of
Speaker 4: him playing left tackle at the football level. So for me,
Speaker 4: it's just those two things, and I think the rest
Speaker 4: will settling in, especially as he gets more of that
Speaker 4: combo chemistry with Tyler Smith.
Speaker 1: I think that will work itself out.
Speaker 4: And Tyler Smith he spoke with us as well, more
Speaker 4: so about Booker, but he also makes some key points
Speaker 4: about Tyler Geyiton's progress and how they as an offensive
Speaker 4: unit have been kind of ingratiating themselves with each other,
Speaker 4: whether it be cookouts or working out in the off season,
Speaker 4: things like that. All of these things matter. These are
Speaker 4: things that the media doesn't always see. These are the
Speaker 4: things that fans rarely see. But it's the type of
Speaker 4: camaraderie that builds the type of brotherhood that you saw
Speaker 4: with like Travis Frederick and Zach Martin and Tyron Smith
Speaker 4: and oh By the way, weren't those three first round
Speaker 4: picks in a span of four years? Well, who are
Speaker 4: the three now in the span of four years? Tyler Smith,
Speaker 4: it's Tyler Goyton, and it's Tyler Booker. So it's a
Speaker 4: Tyler Tyler Tyler show. So if those guys, along with
Speaker 4: Cooper BB obviously and Terrence Steel, if they can gel
Speaker 4: like the cowboys and Schoenheimer are looking for them too,
Speaker 4: then Tyler Goyton will come along.
Speaker 1: As he starts to see other guys come along, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I missed Tyler. We don't even know
Speaker 1: the time. There's four Tyler's on the rocks. Tyler Neville
Speaker 1: shouts out the top.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got Tyler Neville. You had Tyler Bottish upfront.
Speaker 5: That would have been interesting. All four of this guys
Speaker 5: on the left side.
Speaker 6: Bring Steven Tyler in here, just because at that point,
Speaker 6: just all tied up.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good show title, a t up, all
Speaker 1: tied up? All right? What's next? On the OTA News
Speaker 1: and Notes list?
Speaker 4: From there we talk about I know that Tommy had
Speaker 4: a fantastic piece about OSA uh and I would defer
Speaker 4: to him on that. Let him tell you what OSA
Speaker 4: was talking about and just progressing talking about.
Speaker 1: What was it talking about.
Speaker 8: So I think the interesting part of what with what
Speaker 8: Osa was talking about was, and I've talked about this
Speaker 8: in the past on on the shows, is that look,
Speaker 8: Matti Refluce in the past has said, Hey, the three
Speaker 8: technique defensive tackle is the engine of his defense. Right,
Speaker 8: that's kind of where it all starts. And so this
Speaker 8: is a guy that the Cowboys played, that Cowboys paid
Speaker 8: eighty million dollars over the next four years for and
Speaker 8: you bring in a guy like Matt eberflus Is, you know,
Speaker 8: that's a big part of his defense and a big
Speaker 8: role that has to be played in that scheme. So
Speaker 8: he said, you know, based off some of the things
Speaker 8: that we're being asked to do right now, is going
Speaker 8: back and just watching some of the tape from last year,
Speaker 8: I'm like, if I was doing the stuff that we're
Speaker 8: being coached to do now, I'm making this play, I'm
Speaker 8: making that play. So just seeing that there's going to
Speaker 8: be a lot more opportunities based on the stuff that
Speaker 8: he's having us do. So, you know, that's always a
Speaker 8: good thing, and it's it's easy to say in retrospect,
Speaker 8: right when you go back and watch film on yourself,
Speaker 8: you say, okay, well if I had done this and
Speaker 8: I had done that. Obviously, the spur of the moment,
Speaker 8: the heat of the moment, you do different things. But
Speaker 8: the adjustments that need to take place so that you
Speaker 8: can do those things in the game setting happened behind
Speaker 8: the scenes in practice, and you know when you work
Speaker 8: schematically with your coaching staff and just prepare for those
Speaker 8: kinds of situations. So you know, matt Eberflus was what
Speaker 8: he was as a head coach, but as a defensive
Speaker 8: play caller, this guy's really good think and you know
Speaker 8: he's had a good history in terms of those three
Speaker 8: technique defensive tackles and his defenses overall have been good,
Speaker 8: and it starts up front on the defensive line. They
Speaker 8: usually stop the run pretty well, which is something that
Speaker 8: Dallas has struggled to do for the last however many years.
Speaker 8: I don't know if they've got the person hell necessarily
Speaker 8: to be in great shape right now, but if you
Speaker 8: want to be in great shape, it's got to start
Speaker 8: with the three tech in Mattieberflus's defense, and they've got
Speaker 8: a pretty good one in Osa.
Speaker 6: Did he talk about working with Solomon Thomas at all.
Speaker 6: I know he was kind of a big topic on
Speaker 6: the last episode, but I'm just curious, like what their
Speaker 6: tandem is going to look like going into the season.
Speaker 7: If they did. I don't know if I put it
Speaker 7: in here, but he did.
Speaker 4: I asked them specifically, how are things coming along with
Speaker 4: bringing Solomon Thomas into what is going to be a
Speaker 4: new culture, but also just the impact of and what
Speaker 4: it means to have Solomon Thomas, because we talked about
Speaker 4: it before, Osa averaged over the first three years of
Speaker 4: his NFL career, he averaged just around sixty percent of
Speaker 4: the defensive snaps. Okay, well because of injury and lack
Speaker 4: of production behind him. On the depth chart last season
Speaker 4: it ballooned to seventy eight percent. You're not going to
Speaker 4: be able to get him or keep him fresh and
Speaker 4: fourth quarters or even the second half of the season,
Speaker 4: and we talk about availability. Knock on wood. He's been
Speaker 4: healthy to this point, but how much longer does that
Speaker 4: last if you keep him at seventy five seventy eight,
Speaker 4: eighty percent. Solomon Thomas in that aspect alone, I believe
Speaker 4: will be massive for the durability the continue durability of OLSA.
Speaker 6: Lots multiple rights right that guy.
Speaker 1: But Osa was talking about that.
Speaker 4: He talked about the Cowboys adding another proven playmaker in
Speaker 4: Solomon Thomas. Not necessarily just a rookie that's coming in
Speaker 4: that has to learn how the NFL works and learn
Speaker 4: the speed of the game. But Solomon Thomas, He's been there,
Speaker 4: done that, been productive doing it. So when you add
Speaker 4: that talent in rotation with Osa, Osa talked about how
Speaker 4: excited he was with that, and I am, I'm right
Speaker 4: there with him. I said that once Solomon Thomas was signed,
Speaker 4: I was like, I love the dynamic of them rotating.
Speaker 4: But then also you have to know that every once
Speaker 4: in a while they will play shoulder to shoulder in
Speaker 4: certain sense, and that's exciting as well.
Speaker 1: When does that happen? What's the down and distance? That's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting.
Speaker 8: And the other interesting thing was Solomon Thomas too, And
Speaker 8: I've just realized that I put this in the article.
Speaker 8: Was you know, this is a guy who around the
Speaker 8: league is one of the more respected people. Uh, you know,
Speaker 8: when we met him, he talked a little bit about
Speaker 8: his defensive line foundation that he works with Dak Prescott
Speaker 8: with for mental health for children. And you know also
Speaker 8: was kind of talking about that too. From a leadership standpoint,
Speaker 8: it's like, hey, Solomon Thomas came in, Dante Fowler has
Speaker 8: been here before, you know, DeMarcus Lawrence leaving. That leaves
Speaker 8: a big leadership gap on the defensive line. So it's
Speaker 8: up to him, Michael Parsons, Solomon Thomas and those guys
Speaker 8: to kind of try and fill that void. And so
Speaker 8: you know, that's another aspect of Solomon Thomas that he
Speaker 8: fits from a culture perspective. Now from a scheme perspective,
Speaker 8: he's not the biggest guy in terms of height.
Speaker 7: I know you gave it. In terms of height, he's
Speaker 7: not the tallest.
Speaker 1: Just getting off of being viral, yeah.
Speaker 7: I know, I know we're talking with doesn't get much
Speaker 7: better than that.
Speaker 8: But you know, from a defensive tackle standpoint, he's a
Speaker 8: little bit undersize from that perspective. And last week I
Speaker 8: think Solomon talked about that as well. But you know,
Speaker 8: this is a guy who's just trying to fit and
Speaker 8: he plays nitty gritty and he's going to need to, frankly,
Speaker 8: for this defense. I don't think he's kind of lived
Speaker 8: up to the billing or he's what the third overall
Speaker 8: pick back in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: I like that you're bringing that up. Yes he was.
Speaker 5: That was I kind of chuckled there a little bit
Speaker 5: because all of it's fun and games. Right now, you're
Speaker 5: hitting batting practice home runs.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: It's the off season. You're practicing. Things look great, the
Speaker 5: swing's crisp. You're gonna have to hit home runs though,
Speaker 5: when teams are trying to strike you out exactly, that's
Speaker 5: what's going to happen, just exactly. Once you can hit
Speaker 5: the curve ball, then we can We'll be fine. But
Speaker 5: when Patrick was talking about Osa's comments about having a
Speaker 5: proven playmaker, my devil's advocate comment would be, when has
Speaker 5: he been proven? When has he done that? He's had
Speaker 5: different flashes. I was gonna say, he's fled, but the
Speaker 5: consistency hasn't been there. If it was there at any
Speaker 5: point he was a third overall pick, he would get
Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt. Wherever he would have ended up,
Speaker 5: he would have either stayed in San Francisco or stayed
Speaker 5: in Las Vegas, or stayed in New York instead. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's spent three years in New York that's a decent
Speaker 5: tenure there. He could spend two or three years here
Speaker 5: in Dallas, and I think that would be a win
Speaker 5: because that means he did something enough to keep.
Speaker 1: Contributing to keep him around.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, But to this point in his career, I think
Speaker 5: it would be safe to say that his production has
Speaker 5: not matched the expectation.
Speaker 6: Sure, over pick, But do you feel a sort of
Speaker 6: comfort as far as the familiarity with Aaron White and
Speaker 6: Cotton goes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? See in terms of leadership, in terms of x's
Speaker 1: and o's.
Speaker 6: And fit in someone that obviously understands his system.
Speaker 5: Of course, that I'm cool with, and I think it
Speaker 5: will benefit him. But I think going into it saying
Speaker 5: that he's a proven playmaker, I don't think I would
Speaker 5: tab him as that. I don't think I would tap
Speaker 5: him as a proven playmaker. I would say a proven leader.
Speaker 5: I would say a proven teammate, which is fine, and
Speaker 5: you need those guys.
Speaker 1: On your team.
Speaker 5: But if you're going to look at me and say,
Speaker 5: outside of Osa, he's the next best playmaker on your team,
Speaker 5: I don't feel great about.
Speaker 1: But well, here's the question.
Speaker 4: Let's dovetail from that, and those are fair points. Absolutely
Speaker 4: let's dovetail from that and let's go let's go youthful. Okay,
Speaker 4: keep to the defensive tackle position. Keeping to OTA's observations.
Speaker 4: Jay Toya and he's pronounced doya, Yeah, practicing this Toya
Speaker 4: taking reps with the first teamers.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun in the preseason taking reps with
Speaker 1: the first teamers. That's gonna be some fun there.
Speaker 4: Because obviously we know the Cowboys are hoping for a
Speaker 4: huge step from Mazzie Smith in year three and typically,
Speaker 4: as trends go, more often than not, year three tends
Speaker 4: to be the breakout year or the most likely breakout
Speaker 4: year four defensive lineman, defensive tackles. So could that be
Speaker 4: for Mazzie Smith? Fingers crossed with that's the case. But
Speaker 4: if we're talking about I mean, guys, so now we've
Speaker 4: talked about you know, a former third overall pick who's
Speaker 4: been in the league and Solomon Thomas and he's being
Speaker 4: at it right on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Speaker 4: You got a late round pick, a seventh Throe Peak,
Speaker 4: a rookie and j Toyah who has the size and
Speaker 4: he has the skill set. How quickly can he put
Speaker 4: that into play? That's what's going to make it interesting.
Speaker 4: Because if he can make even a a par level
Speaker 4: impact for this defensive tackle position, oh well he and
Speaker 4: if Solomon Thomas can match serve or better, well, this
Speaker 4: team is in a much better position at DT than
Speaker 4: they were last year.
Speaker 1: It's a little bar to try and cross. That's fair,
Speaker 1: and try and get over that's fair. However, you're one
Speaker 1: that they need to get away, got to get over
Speaker 1: it and something and you know.
Speaker 8: If you want to look at it from you know,
Speaker 8: if you're looking if you're thinking best case scenario with
Speaker 8: Solomon Thomas and Toya, you know, you look at Thomas,
Speaker 8: he had his best three years I think in the
Speaker 8: NFL under.
Speaker 7: Aaron White Cotton. So something has worked there, at least
Speaker 7: relative to the rest of his career. Something's worked there.
Speaker 8: Uh, and too, Doya was part of, you know, to
Speaker 8: top ten defenses his last two years of college at UCLA.
Speaker 8: The difference though, both of them are undersized, and Douey
Speaker 8: is coming into this as a rookie and he's not
Speaker 8: playing Stanford anymore. So Stanford, No, stanf is out of
Speaker 8: the Big ten?
Speaker 1: Are they okay?
Speaker 7: He's not playing USC anymore?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 8: You know it's it's it's a lot to ask for
Speaker 8: from a guy that early, but he was in the
Speaker 8: pack te Yeah, sure, rest in.
Speaker 7: Peace, Pac twelve. Are they actually coming back?
Speaker 8: I think, But you know, it's it's it's a lot
Speaker 8: to ask for a rookie, and it's a lot to
Speaker 8: ask for for Solomon Thomas. I think too, because you know,
Speaker 8: in the sense that this is a defensive line that
Speaker 8: needs a lot of help, I think outside of OsO
Speaker 8: Digiezua and you know, Mazzie Smith is still a big
Speaker 8: question mark. And you know you're telling me that in
Speaker 8: the depth of that rotation, we're relying on a seventh
Speaker 8: round pick two, seventh, Justin Rogers, Tommy A. King, Desote,
Speaker 8: Denzel Dackson. You know, there's only seven bodies in that room,
Speaker 8: and it is not very deep. I don't think so
Speaker 8: that that's got to be. I know, we'll talk about
Speaker 8: this a little bit later in the show, but that
Speaker 8: that is concerning.
Speaker 5: Let's move into it. We were originally going to have
Speaker 5: it in the third segment. Let's keep things in coming
Speaker 5: up next, I want to talk about top three needs
Speaker 5: currently on this Cowboys rosters, things that we can look
Speaker 5: at after OTAs and getting a better look at this team.
Speaker 1: Do you still feel the same as you.
Speaker 5: Did prior to OTAs and prior to the off season
Speaker 5: workouts about specific holes on the roster. Then later in
Speaker 5: the show, who does George Pickens' presence help the most
Speaker 5: on this Cowboys offense? That's going to be our third
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Speaker 5: Tommy Yarish. All right, so our comment of the day
Speaker 5: today actually is a question. It's a great question because
Speaker 5: we talked a little bit about the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Position nineteen ohs six exec So.
Speaker 5: I don't know what that means, but that's the name
Speaker 5: on YouTube says serious question about right tackle, about right tackle,
Speaker 5: I expect the rookie to struggle, But Terrence Steele has
Speaker 5: been rough since returning from injury and has become a liability.
Speaker 1: Do you one do you believe that too?
Speaker 5: Is that something of a concern and should somebody like
Speaker 5: Awesome Richards get a shot moving in there?
Speaker 6: I wholeheartedly disagree, but I completely understand the comments. I
Speaker 6: think if you're watching ty, if you're watching Terrence Smith
Speaker 6: exclusively over the last two years since he's been back
Speaker 6: from his injury, I don't think you can say that
Speaker 6: he's a liability. I think he is inconsistent, which has
Speaker 6: been an issue, and he's facing the way to a
Speaker 6: lot of excellent lines. He's facing a lot of excellent lines,
Speaker 6: not only throughout the league but in the division. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's it's just a tough task, a tall order for anybody.
Speaker 6: I just think it's been in consistency and who knows
Speaker 6: if he's a hunt. Granted it's been two years since
Speaker 6: that injury, but like, who knows if he came back
Speaker 6: from that injury one hundred percent. I would say last
Speaker 6: year should be your barometer on like judging his production
Speaker 6: since that injury.
Speaker 4: If that makes sense, I agree, but not in this timeline.
Speaker 4: On in this current timeline, and let me explain. When
Speaker 4: he was initially returning from injury, I could argue that
Speaker 4: he was a bit of a liability. I could absolutely
Speaker 4: times that he didn't have a lot of confidence in
Speaker 4: the knee. He had to get over the mental hurdle
Speaker 4: of having suffered which was at that time the most
Speaker 4: devastating football injury that he had ever, you know, suffered.
Speaker 4: As time has gone on, you've seen some inconsistency, but
Speaker 4: what you've also seen and I'll pull up the stats
Speaker 4: here in the moment while you guys are talking about it.
Speaker 4: Last year alone, he got progressively better. But when did
Speaker 4: he get progressively better? When Zach Martin got injured and
Speaker 4: came got pulled off of the field, then you saw
Speaker 4: better play at right guard, which then allowed Terrence Steele
Speaker 4: to excel a bit more at right tackle, as opposed
Speaker 4: to trying to figure out the combo block with a
Speaker 4: guy like Zach Martin who obviously future First Battle Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer, but just wasn't playing like himself, so he
Speaker 4: was struggling within his own body he had a degenerative
Speaker 4: ankle in the issue, so he couldn't, so the combo
Speaker 4: blocks weren't there, et cetera, et cetera. And then you
Speaker 4: bring in Brock Kaufman, and all of a sudden, Terrence
Speaker 4: Steel is playing much better. So I think that as
Speaker 4: much as it is the time that's now been removed
Speaker 4: from the injury that's helping Terrence Steele, what's also going
Speaker 4: to help him is just better right guard play. Insert
Speaker 4: Tyler Booker into this conversation. So if Tyler Booker can
Speaker 4: be that and immediately, then you're going to see Terrence
Speaker 4: Steele become what Terrence Steele once was when he went
Speaker 4: from being an undrafted guy to earning the right to
Speaker 4: be the right starting right tackle and then earned another
Speaker 4: contract and doing so. So again, for me, it's less
Speaker 4: of what's Terrence Steele want to do and more of
Speaker 4: what does it look like at right guard? What is
Speaker 4: Tyler Booker going to do? Almost immediately, I think those
Speaker 4: two things played hand in hand.
Speaker 6: That's fair, you know.
Speaker 8: I think we've talked a lot about how this offensive
Speaker 8: staff is so centered around the offensive line, and they're
Speaker 8: going to develop this offensive line to run the ball well.
Speaker 7: Something that a friend of the show, Nick Harris, has said.
Speaker 8: Over and over again, as there is nobody on the
Speaker 8: offensive line that's going to benefit more from this new
Speaker 8: staff than Terrence Steele.
Speaker 5: And I wholeheartedly it was he and Bobby Belt that
Speaker 5: that charge on the draft show.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and they're both correct.
Speaker 8: And you know, I think when you look at Terren
Speaker 8: Steele's earlier career when he and Zach Martin were playing together,
Speaker 8: they complimented each other so well, and Zach Martin loved
Speaker 8: to play alongside Terrence Steel. That was one of his
Speaker 8: favorite guys to go and block with, and you clearly
Speaker 8: saw why they were able to run the ball really well,
Speaker 8: and they worked very well together on the right side
Speaker 8: of the offensive line. To build off of what Patrick's saying,
Speaker 8: nobody's going to benefit from the Cowboys draft on Tyler
Speaker 8: Booker more than Terren Steele because they're there's your, there's
Speaker 8: your He's not. I'm not saying he's going to be
Speaker 8: Zach Martin, but it's better than Zach Martin with a
Speaker 8: degenerative ankle. So you know, anytime you've got that kind
Speaker 8: of problem on the offensive line, then you know it's
Speaker 8: it's going to be a downgrade in health, but you know,
Speaker 8: and even with health, it's something that we've kind of
Speaker 8: talked about a little bit over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: Is and Javonte Williams talked about it a while ago too.
Speaker 10: Is.
Speaker 8: You know, everybody's return from injuries like that, especially when
Speaker 8: they're that severe, is different, right. Some guys it may
Speaker 8: take a year, some guys it may take two years.
Speaker 8: Some guys it just may never be the same again.
Speaker 8: And so, you know, I think you saw last year
Speaker 8: towards the tail end of the season that Terrence Steel
Speaker 8: was solely but surely starting to put it together with
Speaker 8: some consistency next to him, And now that he's going
Speaker 8: to have, you know, Tyler Booker for the foreseeable future
Speaker 8: next to him, you would think that that's going to
Speaker 8: be a good sign as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one. I think that's correct.
Speaker 5: I think this year is going to be a really
Speaker 5: good indication on whether or not Terren Steele is your
Speaker 5: long term answer at right tackle because you have the
Speaker 5: new coaching staff that should benefit He's a year further
Speaker 5: along removed from his injury than what he was previously.
Speaker 1: He's going to have a.
Speaker 5: Young, hungry, strong right guard that's gonna be healthy, knock
Speaker 5: on Wood to play next to. There's all these things
Speaker 5: that are playing a factor to helping Terrence still be
Speaker 5: better in twenty twenty five than he was in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. If it doesn't happen, that's when you have
Speaker 5: the questions around is he the future?
Speaker 1: Yeah? At right tackle, So he's going to have There's
Speaker 1: a lot on the line for him this year and
Speaker 1: moving into it.
Speaker 5: Nothing's going to change before the end of the year
Speaker 5: there and this is the last year that he's in
Speaker 5: their contract. I think he's got one more after this
Speaker 5: after this year. I can double check that moment.
Speaker 1: I should have checked it. God, I want to go
Speaker 1: into top three needs on this roster.
Speaker 5: If you had to rank him one, two and three
Speaker 5: of position groups that you feel like could use another piece,
Speaker 5: another player, where would you start with that?
Speaker 1: Patrick, one, two and three, go through your entire list, one,
Speaker 1: two and three.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a good one, because I will give
Speaker 4: the Cowboys credit. They have addressed these positions. Just when
Speaker 4: you thought that they weren't going to address wide receiver,
Speaker 4: they dropped George.
Speaker 1: He's under contract till twenty eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 4: They dropped George Pickens in your lap at wide receiver
Speaker 4: out after this year, potential out on Terren Steele's contract. Sorry, no,
Speaker 4: you're good. I'm processing a tackle.
Speaker 1: Where you going?
Speaker 4: You get Solomon Thomas, you at least have some solid potential,
Speaker 4: albeit late round picks j LaToya for example. Safety you got,
Speaker 4: you got the I don't want to say the old guard,
Speaker 4: but you got the veterans with Malice Hooker, Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 4: and then you got the young guard Marquise Bell. I'll
Speaker 4: be a coming back from injury. Looks good so far
Speaker 4: moving around in O t A is one year Thomas,
Speaker 4: very high ceiling there. At safety, I'm going to say cornerback,
Speaker 4: it's probably yeah. I'm gonna go with cornerback as my
Speaker 4: number one. Trevon Diggs. When does he come back?
Speaker 1: Huge question?
Speaker 4: What does he look like when he comes back? Deron
Speaker 4: Blan are you keeping him outside? Are you moving him
Speaker 4: back into the nickel because you lost Jordan Lewis. He
Speaker 4: did take some snaps in the nickel.
Speaker 1: He did, and it's.
Speaker 7: So I know, I'm just saying he done a long
Speaker 7: way to go.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and then it goes from there.
Speaker 4: Really, Kaylyn Carson up and down rookie season, more downs
Speaker 4: than ups coming off of season ending, ir what does
Speaker 4: he look like in year two? Josh Butler? When will
Speaker 4: he be ready? Probably no time soon because he suffered
Speaker 4: his torn a cl in December.
Speaker 1: You just have a lot of question he's running already though.
Speaker 4: He is though, but as far as being medically cleared,
Speaker 4: of course around against teams probably because typically you're talking
Speaker 4: about a year, you know for that to happen, he
Speaker 4: might not be ready until a potential postseason game. You
Speaker 4: want to trade it for Kye kyer Elam, But what
Speaker 4: does that look like for you? That's a big question mark.
Speaker 4: So for me, number one cornerback still pressing concern for me,
Speaker 4: I don't know how that shakes out from there.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go I think you're said at tight end.
Speaker 4: I think Brevin span Ford is going to really push
Speaker 4: that for t E three, might even push Schoolmaker for
Speaker 4: TE two. To be honest, I think Jake bounces back
Speaker 4: and Jake Ferguson didn't have as bad a year as
Speaker 4: poor year as the fans are making it out to be.
Speaker 4: It's just it wasn't as great as the previous year,
Speaker 4: which was a Pro Bowl year. But then you know,
Speaker 4: you had quarterback, you had changed, you had injuries. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was fighting fish and the knee, so.
Speaker 1: I think he bounces back. Think tight end.
Speaker 4: So cornerback, I still need to see what the running
Speaker 4: back room looks like. I need to see, so I'm
Speaker 4: going to go running back number two. And oh boy,
Speaker 4: number three, well we talked about it. Let me just
Speaker 4: let's just go back to defensive tuch just because I
Speaker 4: need to see how that shakes up.
Speaker 6: Absolutely for me, priority wise, number one would be cornerback.
Speaker 6: I don't know who you're starting three at this point
Speaker 6: are and a lot of that is due to health.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think you have bodies, but healthy bodies
Speaker 6: is the question mark. Is Duran going to be starting
Speaker 6: in the slot?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 6: I mean you said he's he's taking snaps here in OTAs.
Speaker 1: This is pretty far out.
Speaker 6: We won't know until we're actually on the field at
Speaker 6: training camp. So there's just so many question marks at
Speaker 6: cornerback for me. And then another thing that Tommy brought
Speaker 6: up earlier in the show was defensive tackle and just
Speaker 6: the depth there and the numbers. I mean, you have
Speaker 6: a king paste O Diggi, Zua Rogers, Mazzi Smith, Solomon
Speaker 6: Thomas j Doya Doya.
Speaker 1: It's like a soft okayya.
Speaker 6: And that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 6: That was the end of the list.
Speaker 1: There is that's the end of the list.
Speaker 6: There needs to be more bodies in that room, and
Speaker 6: more significant, I think, bodies to contribute to starting games.
Speaker 6: I mean, and I mean not starting necessarily, but just
Speaker 6: spelling in more and getting actual snaps. That's a concern
Speaker 6: for me. The health that defensive end is tricky. I mean,
Speaker 6: is Sam Williams go to be one hundred percent ready
Speaker 6: to go? I mean, at this point you'd think, so
Speaker 6: it's been it will be a year once we get
Speaker 6: to training camp. It was like the one of the
Speaker 6: first practices that we had a training camp where that happened.
Speaker 6: So it's still up in the air. But I would
Speaker 6: say cornerback, defensive tackle, and then you have to go.
Speaker 6: I can't say running back. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't.
Speaker 5: Those are my hey, I can I I did. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I would say that order. I would say corner, defensive tackle,
Speaker 5: running back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm kind of.
Speaker 4: Right now, and let's through. Isaiah's out there while you're
Speaker 4: mulling that one really quickly. So Isaiah shouts out to
Speaker 4: stand stand back.
Speaker 1: He's in. He's in the group chat. He said, he
Speaker 1: liked your fresh twist. But thank you, brother, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Lock Brothers, Lock Bros, Lot Bros. My heart in your heart.
Speaker 4: Hey, give the body some low. Isaiah said, for him,
Speaker 4: number one is cornerback. Number two is wide receiver. Number
Speaker 4: three is offensive tackle. He's going he at three.
Speaker 5: There are some people in the comments that I think
Speaker 5: would agree that with that, just based off of the
Speaker 5: Steel and Guidan conversation that we had throughout the show,
Speaker 5: some people feel that way. I think both guys were
Speaker 5: not very good last year and are expected to be better.
Speaker 5: I would rather see what the two younger guys have.
Speaker 5: I mean, Terrence Steel's still what in his twenties.
Speaker 1: At the moment. Yeah, of course, see what you've got
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 5: Let's see what what happens there, and then if you
Speaker 5: have to address tackle next year, address it in free agency.
Speaker 5: I don't want to have to draft another first round
Speaker 5: offensive tackle. But he said wide receiver too. He said
Speaker 5: wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that one. I think you're
Speaker 1: pretty but I okay.
Speaker 4: So this dialogue with Isaiah to understand his even with
Speaker 4: Pickens there he w R three like who is that?
Speaker 4: But I feel like I think to between Tolbert and
Speaker 4: Turpin alone before you start listing out. Okay, Well, Mingo, Mingo,
Speaker 4: brooks Ingle, Mingle, mingle with Deck is going to make
Speaker 4: a hell of a push for w R three. I
Speaker 4: believe because if you go back and look at Mingo's
Speaker 4: film in the limited games that he played for the
Speaker 4: Cowboys after the trade, the disconnect between he and Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush was evident, but he was separating. Mingo was like
Speaker 4: he was running good routes, he was getting good separation,
Speaker 4: but Cooper Rush just could not. He was skipping the ball.
Speaker 4: He was sailing the ball, and ming I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 4: mine Carolina.
Speaker 1: So I think that.
Speaker 6: Incredible at that point.
Speaker 1: I think that, mister fantastic. If you will, Isaiah and
Speaker 1: Deck will will make it.
Speaker 5: Will make it that Isaiah clarified, he said he wants.
Speaker 5: He says, offensive tackle is a depth selection.
Speaker 1: That's what I got you. Backup, OT got you. That's fair.
Speaker 8: That's that's fair and he's that's a valid point. I
Speaker 8: don't I still don't think that. You know, the defensive
Speaker 8: tackle for me, is the most glaring issue on this
Speaker 8: team there is you just don't have depth there. You
Speaker 8: don't have reliable depth at all. So Stephen Jones said
Speaker 8: over and over again, player is twenty four to seven man,
Speaker 8: it it should be for them if they're looking for
Speaker 8: another defensive tackle, because I think they're desperately in need
Speaker 8: of one. You know, I'm not necessarily saying you need
Speaker 8: to go and get you know, an Aaron Donald or
Speaker 8: anything like that, but you need somebody who's at least
Speaker 8: you know, yeah, I mean, if he wants to's, that's
Speaker 8: not a bad start. But you know, they don't necessarily
Speaker 8: need a world break or they just need a guy
Speaker 8: who can come in and be a solid depth piece,
Speaker 8: who can you know, who can be part of the
Speaker 8: rotation and contribute that way. After that, it's it's running
Speaker 8: back for me. Just because we've heard this this coaching
Speaker 8: staff talk about.
Speaker 7: We're gonna run the ball're gonna run the BA, We're
Speaker 7: gonna run the ball.
Speaker 8: I don't think they have a dude in that room
Speaker 8: in terms of like this is a guy who can
Speaker 8: be our bell cow, who can handle the offensive load,
Speaker 8: who can you know, contribute the most in our run game.
Speaker 8: They have guys who can be that, who have been
Speaker 8: that in the past, and Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders.
Speaker 8: But you know, Javonte Williams is still kind of nursing
Speaker 8: back from an injury. He said he's fully healthy. Now
Speaker 8: does that translate? Do you see what we saw from
Speaker 8: his first couple of years in Denver. Can Miles Sanders
Speaker 8: find a way to return to what he was in
Speaker 8: Philadelphia in twenty two when he went to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 7: It's just too many unknowns. And then Jayden Blue.
Speaker 8: I know so many people are excited about Jayden Blue,
Speaker 8: and rightfully so, because this is a guy who can
Speaker 8: change the game with his speed. But he's not a
Speaker 8: bell cow. He's not a guy that's going to carry
Speaker 8: the ball twenty twenty five times a game. So where
Speaker 8: does that fit into this? And I think that's going
Speaker 8: to be something that, you know, until they figure that
Speaker 8: room out, it's going to be interesting to see how
Speaker 8: that happens. And then cornerback for me, yeah, I'll put
Speaker 8: it third because right now it's not great it is
Speaker 8: not great when you look out on the practice field
Speaker 8: and you see Kayer Elam and Andrew Booth as your
Speaker 8: starting corners, that's.
Speaker 5: Not Don't forget about Keemon Hall, go mean green.
Speaker 8: Chemon Hall was taking some slot snaps. But you know
Speaker 8: when those two were on the outside, it was Deron
Speaker 8: Bland in the slot. So keem On Hall was another
Speaker 8: guy taking slot. Why Nay Thomas took some slot corner
Speaker 8: reps to So but when they get healthy, it's not
Speaker 8: it's a pretty good room. It's a pretty good room
Speaker 8: with Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 5: You think, assuming they all come back healthy health absolutely,
Speaker 5: and that's that's a bit of something.
Speaker 1: Emphasis on healthy, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: If you didn't have her three starters on the field
Speaker 6: at the same time at any at any point last.
Speaker 7: Sea, right, and that's and and you see what happens
Speaker 7: because of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: So, But when that room is healthy, it's a pretty
Speaker 8: good room. And agree if Savone revel is what he
Speaker 8: was on tape at East Carolina, you know you put
Speaker 8: those two out there with Deron Bland, that's that's a
Speaker 8: solid solid corner.
Speaker 6: Well, if you can guarantee me they will be healthy,
Speaker 6: I'll move him to number three.
Speaker 7: No, well I can't.
Speaker 8: Okay, well then yeah, I'll let the trading staff handle that.
Speaker 8: But but that's what I'm saying is once they if
Speaker 8: they're healthy, I think that is not as big of
Speaker 8: a concern. But until they until they get to that point,
Speaker 8: then yes, it's absolutely a concern. Because you know, we
Speaker 8: saw what happened last year with with Andrew Booth at
Speaker 8: times when he would really get picked on. I think
Speaker 8: Klein Carson was kind of in the same boat. I
Speaker 8: think back to that Eagles game where they just really
Speaker 8: picked on him, and then kyri Elam.
Speaker 7: Has looked great at points in practice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been probably the biggest surprise.
Speaker 1: He's looked great.
Speaker 8: But this is Otat said, there's no pads on this
Speaker 8: is this is when you're supposed to look good.
Speaker 7: Everybody should be looking good right now.
Speaker 4: And I'll say one quick tidbit and then I'll talk
Speaker 4: to you col just to address something that I see
Speaker 4: going on in chat. First of all, I think, thank
Speaker 4: you ladies and gentlemen, because you're having a lot of
Speaker 4: good conversations.
Speaker 1: This is probably the best chat we've seen. Contributing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lost the board.
Speaker 4: Let me correct something, because everyone who follows me and
Speaker 4: follows my stuff knows how I am about the salary
Speaker 4: cap and the narrative and false narratives around the salary cap. Yes,
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys can bring in whomever, presumably they would
Speaker 4: like to, because right now they have thirty two million
Speaker 4: dollars in salary cap space. And then this is June third,
Speaker 4: So any posts or pre June first transactions that I
Speaker 4: was already already done. The money is there if they
Speaker 4: would like to add anyone. Stop blaming individual contracts for
Speaker 4: the front offices willingness or unwillingness to make moves because
Speaker 4: the money's there.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Okay, Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 5: And another question out of the chat, Ace said, uh,
Speaker 5: we should give filmfa a chance.
Speaker 4: And also go higher if you get Michael Parsons deal. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that'll look great.
Speaker 5: This one season said we should give Phil Moss, Phil
Speaker 5: Maffa a chance in that running back conversation, I think
Speaker 5: everybody has a chance in that running back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. It's gonna be fun to figure
Speaker 1: out open, yeah, wide open.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a blast this preseason.
Speaker 5: You're gonna see every every wonderful The only one I
Speaker 5: think that may take pads off is probably Javante. I
Speaker 5: think they're pretty sold on him just from conversations. I
Speaker 5: think they're pretty sold on Javante being a guy. I
Speaker 5: don't know if they see him as the guy. I
Speaker 5: think they see him as.
Speaker 6: A piece of this solid piece moving forward.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's the guy yet, which is
Speaker 5: still on his plate to take advantage of because he
Speaker 5: has that opportunity.
Speaker 4: Also, wonder how much of Miles Sanders as the veterans
Speaker 4: he looked, he had a good practice.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how much of.
Speaker 4: Him we'll see in the preseason, just just off the strength,
Speaker 4: and in the preseason is while you're doing evaluation, it
Speaker 4: is tilted heavily towards youthful, evacuated.
Speaker 5: You're gonna see a lot. You're gonna see a lot
Speaker 5: of Von Po, see a lot of MafA. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: gonna be wild, all right. Due one guy we will
Speaker 5: not see in the preseason is going to be George Pickens.
Speaker 5: I don't believe we'll see him at all. Of course,
Speaker 5: Brian Schotneimer could change things and starters could play at all.
Speaker 5: Don't count on it, however, I want to know who
Speaker 5: he benefits most on the offensive side.
Speaker 1: If you're in the chat, give us your answer right now.
Speaker 5: Who is benefiting most from George Pickens Being in Dallas
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Speaker 5: Ask the question who does George Pickens presence benefit the most?
Speaker 1: Who does it benefit the most?
Speaker 5: And we'll start with the UH with the I mean
Speaker 5: obvious choice is Dak right, good receiver helps your quarterback.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take Dak out of the equation.
Speaker 5: Okay, So outside of Dak Prescott, who does it benefit
Speaker 5: the most?
Speaker 6: Josh Rodriguez with cdee Lamb Baby, I think it opens
Speaker 6: up more for cd Lamb. I think you now have
Speaker 6: an have to keep the secondary honest. On the opposite
Speaker 6: opposing team. I think now you have an opportunity for
Speaker 6: Ceedee Lamb to be able to get some of that
Speaker 6: heat off man and with George Pickens being on the field,
Speaker 6: you have to be honest. You have to say respect
Speaker 6: both wide receivers and say where we have to cover
Speaker 6: both of these guys because this guy will take the
Speaker 6: top off.
Speaker 4: I agree, but I'll see your CD Lamb and I'll
Speaker 4: raise you a Jake Ferguson, Oh, I see, I'll see
Speaker 4: you that because for me, yes, it is as obvious
Speaker 4: that it'll benefit CD as it is as obvious that
Speaker 4: it'll benefit Dak Prescott. I think it's a little bit
Speaker 4: of a sleeper for Jake Ferguson in that when you're
Speaker 4: an opposing defense, if you have to account for two
Speaker 4: wide receiver ones which is falling intensive purposes, which you
Speaker 4: got with Pickskins and Lamb, that's going to allow Jake
Speaker 4: Ferguson to do so much damage in the middle of
Speaker 4: that field. And we've seen Jake Ferguson be able to
Speaker 4: make plays after the catch and things like that get
Speaker 4: him in space well with Pickens and Lamb kind of
Speaker 4: keeping you, you know, horizontally horizontally stretched pause.
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to do it.
Speaker 7: I knew it.
Speaker 1: That's gonna allow Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 4: To be able to run those those slants and those
Speaker 4: INDs and sit down and catch those passes and then
Speaker 4: turn around and make plays against linebackers and smaller defensive
Speaker 4: backs and safeties who are trying to crash down on him.
Speaker 4: But one false move and then there's a mistackle and
Speaker 4: there's you know, chunkyardist to be had. So for me,
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be Jake Ferguson that benefits the most.
Speaker 4: Outside of the too obvious. With your CD Lamb and
Speaker 4: Dack Prescott, you are going to hell and taking me
Speaker 4: with you. At least bring some ice water.
Speaker 8: Nobody say anything, you know, I think the easy the
Speaker 8: answers are CD and DAK and you know, I think
Speaker 8: Patrick makes a really good point with with Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 8: But I think this kind of alleviates a little bit
Speaker 8: off the run game too. I think when you've got
Speaker 8: the threat of two wide receivers like Ceedee Lamb and
Speaker 8: George Pickens playing on the same field together, that's a
Speaker 8: lot that you've got to account for. If you're a defense,
Speaker 8: So maybe that opens things up for you. Maybe that
Speaker 8: means less crowded boxes that you've got to deal with
Speaker 8: when you're running the football. So if that's the case,
Speaker 8: then you know, maybe a Javante Williams or a Jayden
Speaker 8: Blue or Miles Sanders can get to get something done
Speaker 8: for you.
Speaker 7: But that goes back to the need at running back.
Speaker 8: Is like, if you had a guy and you had
Speaker 8: a guy that you knew you could count on, that's
Speaker 8: great situation for him there. But nonetheless, I think overall,
Speaker 8: if this run game is what Brian Schottheimer and this
Speaker 8: coaching staff are wanting it to be, I think the
Speaker 8: addition to George Pickens helps your run game.
Speaker 1: Out a lot. Asia agrees stand back dropped the same thing.
Speaker 1: Oh does he running back? Let's go running back? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think of course it's going to help your run game.
Speaker 5: You still got to have to you have to establish
Speaker 5: a run game absolutely. I mean, because we've talked about
Speaker 5: this many many times over the years, but when is
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott at his best when he can play action correct,
Speaker 5: when play action can be effective. So you've got to
Speaker 5: run the ball first in order for that to happen.
Speaker 1: I agree though.
Speaker 5: The more you have a threat outside and the more
Speaker 5: teams have to allocate their resources to try and slow
Speaker 5: down both Seed Lamb and George Pickens, it's going to
Speaker 5: open things up. You're gonna see lighter boxes, You're gonna
Speaker 5: see less run game support. You're gonna be able to
Speaker 5: run the football more effectively and then thus establish the
Speaker 5: run play action then built on top of that, and
Speaker 5: it's good for everybody. This is why adding a legitimate
Speaker 5: wide receiver two was such a concern this year, because
Speaker 5: you felt close. And that's where I'm just going to
Speaker 5: continue adding on the layers here. I think guys like
Speaker 5: Jalen Tolbert do benefit. Whoever takes that wide receiver three
Speaker 5: spots going to benefit. Let's put it that way, because
Speaker 5: it is a wide open conversation between Tolbert, Turpin, Mingo Flinoy,
Speaker 5: whoever wants to be in that conversation. Wide receiver three
Speaker 5: is wide open. And I keep going back to last year.
Speaker 5: Jalen Tolbert had seven touchdowns, which led the team last year.
Speaker 5: If he can still have some level of impact similar
Speaker 5: stat line doesn't even have to have the seven touchdowns,
Speaker 5: it's five or six. He has some level of production,
Speaker 5: he could be widely known as one of the better
Speaker 5: wide receiver threes in the league with one of the
Speaker 5: better wide receiver duos in front of him.
Speaker 6: He just can't have that number two spotlight on him.
Speaker 6: I really think that that is just very non beneficial
Speaker 6: to what he.
Speaker 1: Fits into this role.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he fits into this role, and so I think
Speaker 5: he'll be the one that ultimately takes over the wide
Speaker 5: receiver three spot because he's done it in the regular season,
Speaker 5: he's done it throughout practice, and he's been one of
Speaker 5: those guys that Brian Schottenheim has already talked.
Speaker 6: To me with Dick, he's got chemistry reliable in that
Speaker 6: third slot for sure.
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfect fit.
Speaker 5: So it just moves everybody else down the line, down
Speaker 5: the depth chart, and it helps them fit into those
Speaker 5: roles better and better. I agree with Ferguson, I agree
Speaker 5: with the run game. I agree with everybody else that's
Speaker 5: out there cd UH in terms of pickings availability, that's.
Speaker 1: Why you had to add this wide receiver to That's fair,
Speaker 1: I like or however you.
Speaker 6: Want to however you want to say it. Ace Boogie
Speaker 6: painted a picture in the comments like he's been on fire.
Speaker 1: I like this though.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see C. D. Pickens, Turpin and
Speaker 6: Blue on the field together.
Speaker 1: Package NASCAR package stretching horizontally.
Speaker 7: Offensive mass package.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I like that though. I mean as a defense,
Speaker 1: that a lot of formation.
Speaker 6: That's a lot of that's a lot of speed.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like this seriously.
Speaker 4: Also shout out to CD Pig Earlier I called it
Speaker 4: my fellow spelling spelling Bee guy. He said he was
Speaker 4: in spelling be went to state twice.
Speaker 1: That guy did.
Speaker 4: Shouts out to my shouts out to everyone who's ever
Speaker 4: participated in spelling Bee's pressure.
Speaker 1: That was the weirdest shout out I've ever showed up.
Speaker 6: Shout out the spelling.
Speaker 1: Bee shout out to everyone who's ever participated.
Speaker 4: Damn right, it's about versatility on this show.
Speaker 1: Right, we're talking football, You're gonna get a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything.
Speaker 5: I mean, we could talk basketball. The Origin of Magic
Speaker 5: had a great rebrand this.
Speaker 6: It's a little familiar. Is a lot talking about the star.
Speaker 6: Looks a little italicized star on there. You see do
Speaker 6: you not see it.
Speaker 1: On like the word mark? Yeah, I'm saying if you
Speaker 1: untealize it.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, Yeah, move that over into the
Speaker 5: camera because I agree with you. It looks like it's
Speaker 5: instead of hitting bold, they hit a tal size on
Speaker 5: their word document.
Speaker 6: Just saying it's a little a little hey.
Speaker 7: Those those uniforms though, they are sweet. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were even talking Italian during the break, That's true.
Speaker 4: We were talking cow cup to just Italian fragrance is
Speaker 4: Italian cooking wafting through his residuce.
Speaker 6: He says that while about to eat a plantain over there, Dude,
Speaker 6: look at how green this banana is.
Speaker 1: It needs to grow up. Is gonna sit on my
Speaker 1: desk first and then well then we'll attack it.
Speaker 6: It's immature.
Speaker 5: One thing you want to see from OTA is as
Speaker 5: we wrap up this edition, final OTA practice open to
Speaker 5: the media is today, and then we get in the
Speaker 5: mini camp where we get to see all of practice
Speaker 5: next week, which.
Speaker 1: Will be fun. I want to see. I want to see.
Speaker 4: Better accuracy from Joe Milton is what I want to see.
Speaker 4: I've seen him make some throws where I've raised an eyebrown.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, there it is, there it is.
Speaker 4: And I've seen some throws where I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 4: that ain't it. That's not it, that's not it at all.
Speaker 4: Arm Strength is definitely not the issue whatsoever. Athleticism is
Speaker 4: definitely not the issue. He just needs to be more
Speaker 4: consistent with his ball placement. So I want to see
Speaker 4: more accuracy, or I should say more consistency in his
Speaker 4: accuracy as we go into a three day mini camp
Speaker 4: next week.
Speaker 5: I actually charted their throws last week, so in the
Speaker 5: full eleven on eleven Dak went. And the reason I
Speaker 5: charged this somebody put it up on like ESPN for
Speaker 5: the Browns quarterback room.
Speaker 1: I don't know why there's a graphic.
Speaker 6: For OTAs because it's the Browns.
Speaker 5: I guess it's because it's the Browns quarterback room. If
Speaker 5: you want to make a graphic out of this, more
Speaker 5: power to you.
Speaker 1: But it's it's OTAs. Guys. Come on four for six Dak.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of deep shots.
Speaker 5: He threw a four, threw a dime to CD Lamb
Speaker 5: down the left sideline and just hit CD's hands and
Speaker 5: fell in complete.
Speaker 1: That catch is going to be made on Sundays.
Speaker 5: And then he had a curl broken up by kyr Elam,
Speaker 5: who had a really nice play on Jake Ferguson. That
Speaker 5: was a four for six and then Milton went four
Speaker 5: for five last week, but it was really underneath.
Speaker 1: They didn't really try the deep ball a ton.
Speaker 5: He missed his first one and then he ended up
Speaker 5: completing everything after that, but it was all sliding catch
Speaker 5: over the middle. There was one spinning catch up the
Speaker 5: scene from Princeton Fant who made a nice play, turned
Speaker 5: back to the ball, spun around and kept going and
Speaker 5: then outs on the sideline and then another slide I
Speaker 5: didn't catch up with the back shoulder by Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 5: So last week was decent and the full team portion
Speaker 5: seven on seven was a little bit shakier. He went
Speaker 5: three for five in that passing side of things, but
Speaker 5: again it's ot as. I just want to see more accuracy, consistency,
Speaker 5: more consistency, good days build on top of it.
Speaker 1: But just to add to your point.
Speaker 6: There, I don't want to give you guys a real answer,
Speaker 6: so I'm going to go with this. I want to
Speaker 6: see the Nike Vapor Pro one ceedee Lamb's signature cleat.
Speaker 6: I want to go see that bad Boy.
Speaker 1: Is that the one with the snot on it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Pity those are because he can't do the celebration anymore.
Speaker 7: Have you seen I thought it was slime.
Speaker 5: I mean, nobody wants to buy snot shoes, but that's
Speaker 5: why I call it. But yeah, it's a reference to
Speaker 5: the snotty news. Am I going to get fine?
Speaker 1: Now? Maybe? I hope so be pretty fun? Please?
Speaker 6: I hope you can.
Speaker 1: That would be a great segment next week.
Speaker 6: But that's what I'm looking for it. I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: out there and get a peek.
Speaker 8: At him today, looking for is there more of a
Speaker 8: steady first team defensive line. There's been so much rotation
Speaker 8: with you know, at the both defensive tackle and off
Speaker 8: the edge. You know, you've got Solomon Thomas, Mazzi Smith,
Speaker 8: Ohso Diggy Zua all rotating in and out that we
Speaker 8: I talked about taking some first team reps, but really
Speaker 8: at edge two we've seen D'ante Fowler, Peyton Turner, Marshawn Neeland.
Speaker 8: Sam Williams is off working to the side, but he's
Speaker 8: going to be in that equation. So there's just a
Speaker 8: lot of Donovan Azeraku, the second round pick, So there's
Speaker 8: a lot of rotating and a lot of trying to
Speaker 8: figure things out. Now that we've got two more OTAs
Speaker 8: left and this is the last one that we get
Speaker 8: to see, do things start to get a little bit
Speaker 8: more solidified before we head into mini camp.
Speaker 7: That's what I'll be looking for.
Speaker 1: Today, Melvin, I suit you did there? What do you say?
Speaker 1: He said?
Speaker 4: Oh, he's not talking about that kind of slow. That's
Speaker 4: a different conversation. We can't talk about it only here
Speaker 4: because if you actually know what the nose white, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to put that out there for you.
Speaker 1: See, I don't know what it means. I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: It's cool.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Well, when we come back next week,
Speaker 5: it'll be our final episode of the season, final episode
Speaker 5: of the off season.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, what season has to start yet?
Speaker 1: Where we will be back in training camp?
Speaker 10: Is?
Speaker 1: When? Is it already mid February? I hope?
Speaker 5: So? But yeah, once we will, we'll wrap up the
Speaker 5: off season next week. We'll we'll talk about what to
Speaker 5: expect going into the summer, and then after that, the
Speaker 5: next time the Mike's turned back on, we'll be in
Speaker 5: the cool crisp air of Oxnard, California. But we got
Speaker 5: one more show and we'll be back next week. Tommy,
Speaker 5: do you know if you're back next week if Isaiah
Speaker 5: is not.
Speaker 6: I don't I think he I think he's out.
Speaker 1: You think he's out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, we'll see Isaiah in training camp. We'll see
Speaker 5: Tommy next week for Patrick nose Walker, for Josh Rodriguez,
Speaker 5: Tommy as Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys. We'll
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