1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: one two. How often do you go on errands with 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: your children? How often do you leave them alone, strapped 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: in car seats while you go in to visit for hours? 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: That's what happened when a young mom, Brittany Valasquiz, leaves 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: her two year old son and ten month old daughter 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: strapped in car seats and where else Arizona? You know 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: how hot it gets there. I don't know how even 9 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: lizards lived there, dred twenty degrees? You know the rest 10 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: the children are dead? And is it taught mom? Red? 11 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: Taught mom all over again? Deja vu? She claims the 12 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: baby sitter did it? I mean, I see Grace. This 13 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Brittany Velasquez, 14 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: a young mom now suspected in counts of murder and 15 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: the deaths of two children, a two year old little 16 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: boy and a ten month old little girl. The children 17 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: were found dead at nighttime on Monday night, dead in 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: a car part in the driveway of the family's home 19 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: in Superior. Now. As of right now, police are not 20 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: saying how the children were killed. Yes, there's a chance 21 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: that they were a strangle, that they were shot, that 22 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: they were killed by blunt object. Likely No, they likely 23 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: died of heat stroke. Arizona authorities say. The mother of 24 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: the baby and toddle found strapped in the car seats 25 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: is identified as Brittany Velasquez. Right now, we're not exactly 26 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: sure about the circumstances surrounding this, but joining me right now, 27 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Lauren Howard, psychologists joining us out of New York. Ashley Wilcott, 28 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: juvenile judge and founder of child crime watch dot com, 29 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: DNA expert George Skiro, and Larry May her crime Stories 30 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Larry, thank you for being with us. Let's 31 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: just take it from the top. What happened. Here's what 32 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: police and superiors say. Brittany Valasque West told them that 33 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: she had left the children at this house inside the 34 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: car while she went to work for the day, and 35 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: when she returned fourteen hours later, the children were still 36 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: in the car and we're dead. She claims that she 37 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: was leading the children there for a babysitter to pick up, 38 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: and at this point, she claims the baby's hitter never 39 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: showed up to get the children. I think I know 40 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: who it is. I think at Zenda Gonzalez. She went 41 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: on the run after she murdered Tottenham Casey Anthony's daughter Keeley, 42 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: and I think she has surfaced now, Superior Arizona. You 43 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: know what some of the facts I have our bass accwords. 44 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: Let's get it straight, Larry Mayor. Now, the main fact 45 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: I had was correct that she was driving and she 46 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: leaves the children there in the car. Or did she 47 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: say she took them in the home and went to work. 48 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: I thought she went to visit someone. She went she 49 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: went to work at a restaurant and had she had 50 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: had a twelve hour shift at the restaurant. She told 51 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: police that she left the children in the car, strapped 52 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: in their car seats, and they were still strapped in 53 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: their car seats and still wearing the same clothes when 54 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: she returned at eleven o'clock that night to pick them up. 55 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: So she leaves them there, How does she get to work? 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: She has another vehicle that is taking her to and 57 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: from work. You mean she hitched a ride or there's 58 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: another vehicle part to the house. That wasn't clear. She's 59 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: she has access to two cars, one and and her 60 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: grandmother was driving one of them and Apparently her grandmother 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: gave her a ride to work and then picked her 62 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: up at work and drove her back to her car. 63 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Hitched a ride, I think, is the answer to that. 64 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: So is this her grandmother's house. No, apparently this is 65 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: the house. This is confusing. This is apparently the house 66 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: of the that she claims was supposed to be babysitting 67 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: the children. And the woman says she has no idea 68 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: what what Velasquas is talking about. That she never had 69 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: any arrangement to watch these children. She had no idea 70 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: they were there all day, and she certainly never went 71 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: out to look at them. Authorities say a mother is 72 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: responsible two young children tiny tots found dead and car 73 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: seat strapped in a vehicle in a rural Arizona community. Now, 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: this is what we know. Penall County Sheriff's office spokesperson says, 75 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: a young mom leaves behind two year old Christopher and 76 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: ten month old daughter Brooklyn strapped in the car seat. 77 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: But why From what I'm gathering from Larry Mayhor, she 78 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: goes in parks in an unrelated woman's driveway and leaves 79 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: the children there, claiming that woman is her babysitter. Larry 80 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: that appears to be the case. Police have not given 81 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: the name of the woman or the name of the 82 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: family who owned the house. Uh, and whether the those 83 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: two are connected. I'm sort of kind of connecting dots there. 84 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: I believe that that is the story that she told them, 85 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: was that the woman at the house was supposed to 86 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 1: be babysitting the children. Well, well, let me just break 87 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: in really quickly, because we have information she parked at 88 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: the grandparents or the great grandparents house. So wherever she 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: part the car kind of irrelevant because wherever it was part, 90 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: the people who lived in the house did not know 91 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: she was parking the car, much less leaving the children 92 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: in there. And it's also irrelevant as to her claim 93 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: some unknown, anonymous babysitter was coming to get the children 94 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: or lived in that house. You know why, because she 95 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Next straight out to Lauren Howards. Psychologists joining 96 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: us family members have now been quoted as saying that 97 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: she often left her children alone for hours or even 98 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: days at a time to go out and socialize and party. 99 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, how can you leave a twenty month old 100 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: and a two year old alone? You can't. I mean, 101 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: it's negligence, It's pure and simple negligence. And I understand 102 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: that her that the grandparents had pulled child services and 103 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: said she was unfit and is associative and that they 104 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: needed to take the children away there. I think the 105 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: grandparents are in their eighties and said, you know, eighty 106 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: year olds are not able to take care of a 107 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: ten month olds and a two year old, and child 108 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: Protective Services evidently did come, but filed reports did nothing. 109 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Well nothing, This is what defacts, says Department Family Children's Services. 110 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: In both reports, there was no evidence the mother was 111 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: abusing or neglecting her children. I don't know about you guys, 112 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: but leaving them alone for days on in is neglecting. 113 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: There were no concerns raised regarding Ms. Velasquez mental health. 114 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: No evidence presented that indicated mental health issues. We can 115 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: only make decisions based on available evidence and what the 116 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: law allows. You know what, that sounds like b s 117 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: to me, because yeah, Lauren Howard psychologist joining me out 118 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: of New York. I don't think she has mentally illness either. 119 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: She just wanted to leave and be free, so she 120 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: lea's for hours or days at a time. According to 121 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: family members, that right there, the children should have been 122 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: taken away. Okay, but they weren't. And now their dad 123 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: and you know, child Protective Services is not can't be 124 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: aware of the fact that she routinely leaves them alone 125 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: unless they're willing to accept the word of her grandparents. 126 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: In other words, the investigation that they did sounds to 127 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: me like a househol talked her for fifteen minutes and 128 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: less what can you find out in that time. I mean, 129 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: a psychopath could convince you that they're fine in fifteen minutes. 130 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: So clearly what you're looking at, and this is this 131 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: is not unusual. Child Protective Services are understaffed, overworked, and 132 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: you know they've got is they've got to do in 133 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: that day, and so how much time was they spending 134 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: actually investigating what her mental status is? The only real 135 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: report you're getting is from the grandparents, who you know, 136 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: we're not believing them or we're saying, oh, well, they're 137 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: all what do they know? I mean, I can I 138 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: can address I can address that point if you would 139 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: like me to, yeah, jump in, yeah, okay. Uh. We 140 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: have to remember that there are two grandmothers in this case, 141 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: her grandmother Britney velasque as his grandmother, and then the 142 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: grandmother of the children. Now, the grandmother of the children 143 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: is the one who called the police to report the 144 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: abuse and neglect, and her allegations included that Brittney was 145 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: leaving the children with her grandmother, who is eighty years 146 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: old and unfilled. Well, I I don't think that. I 147 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be a problem. Leaving the 148 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: children with the great grandmother, as far as defects is concerned, 149 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to see that as a problem. However, 150 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: leaving them alone for days and hours on end is 151 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,239 Speaker 1: a problem. Now here's the dichotomy. She Brittney Velasquez portrays 152 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: herself as a doting mother online, but relatives say they 153 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: reported her to d Facts Department Family Children's Services many 154 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: many times. And if you look online, which of course 155 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: I have the last quest, comes across as loving and 156 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: doating to her children, always posting about them on social media. 157 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: But that seems to conflict with the relatives reports, the 158 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: family reports. Now what does that mean, Lauren Howard? We 159 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: need to shrink for this. What is the the motivation 160 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: of painting a picture perfect life online when your life 161 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: is anything but that? Have you noticed that there's all 162 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: these awfully skinny people in luxury hotspots around the world 163 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: wearing designer duds. I'm having a hard time believing that's real. 164 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: This mom same way. It don't confused adoration of your 165 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: children and uh neglect. I mean the two can go 166 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: hand in hand. She might have seen them, the children 167 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: might have represented, you know, on candy to her, and 168 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: she rapped about how great they learned, how much you 169 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: adjored them, And that really has nothing to do with 170 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: her negligence on their behalf. It's very easy to you know, 171 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: pose on Instagram. Um, look at me and my gorgeous, 172 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: adorable kids and R and I a great mom and 173 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: oh I think I'll run off to that party and 174 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: leave the kids in the car or unaccompanable. Okay, wait 175 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: a minute, hold on. Listen to this George skiro DNA expert. 176 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Hold on, I haven't gotten to the evidence in the 177 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: car yet. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Um joining 178 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: me right now. Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge and founder of 179 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Listen to this post. This 180 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: is her. This is the mom that we now believe 181 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: leaves her two children in the car to die of 182 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: heat stroke. Quote. I really can't believe how s h 183 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: I T t y some other mothers can be. Repeat, 184 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: I really can't believe how s h I T t 185 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: y some other mothers can be. It really pisces me off. Ug. 186 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: Somebody quotes to her, somebody speaking to her, a family member. Yeah, 187 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: the one day you finally decide to get your kid, 188 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: you throw them off to go clubbing. It's such a joke. Okay. 189 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: So there's a war of words going on online as 190 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: she will cut defects, has been called several times. They 191 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: don't notice. The family is getting on her case about 192 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: clubbing well and leaving the children alone. What what are 193 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: they twiddling their thumbs? Yeah? Once again, I hate to 194 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: say it, but system fail because these are things that, 195 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: if they thoroughly investigated, should come to light as to 196 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: what she's doing or not doing. The other comment I 197 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: have to make with her is you know that Shakespearean 198 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: quote thou doth protest too much? There it is, and 199 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: a lot of parents do that. They're denied, denied protest protests, 200 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: and guess what, they're the ones abusing their kids. I 201 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: love that quote. I use it all the time whenever possible. Sadly, 202 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: the twins don't know what I'm talking about when I 203 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: start saying things like me, thanks, do protest too much? 204 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: But I still do it. It makes me feel better anyway. 205 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: So people are getting all over her online. Her family 206 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: is calling defects, Larry Mayheer, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Just 207 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: give me a general temperature reading for Superior, Arizona. The 208 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: average temperature at that time of year is sixty eight degrees. 209 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: For a high that day, it reached seventy five degrees. 210 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: The website kids and Cars dot org says heatstroke can 211 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: be uh fatal at a temperature fifty seven degrees. So 212 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: it was certainly warm enough. That's not as hot as 213 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: I expect that it to be. But the reality is 214 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: joining me right now. D n A expert Georgia Sciro 215 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: inside of a car Amazingly, it gets stifling lee hot 216 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: in there. It can be seventy degrees outside and in 217 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: the car it's ninety degrees George. Yes, that's correct, Nancy, yuh, 218 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: meaning closed atmosphere like that is going to amplify the 219 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: amount of heat that's absorbed by the vehicle and generated 220 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: within the vehicle. Um. I mean, we don't even allow 221 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: animals to be left in cars for that long, much less. 222 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: Children should not be left in cars at all under 223 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: those circumstances. I just can't get over this. Ashley Wilcott, 224 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: juvenile judge with Child Crime watch dot Com. Ashley the 225 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: leaving the child, I'm saying it is tott mom red uh. 226 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, deja vu all over again, because she's claiming 227 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: she leaves the car, or she's claiming the babysitter, the 228 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: imaginary babysitter is responsible and hold on, hold on, guess what, 229 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: I guess the advice of lawyers. She's calling the local 230 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Fox station and granting interviews. I bet her lawyer is 231 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: standing on his or her head right now. Let's take 232 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: a listen to what the new taught has to say. 233 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: It makes me very mad. I thought the trade, like 234 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I really pulled the trade. I haven't really been showing 235 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: too much emotion to everything that's going on because I 236 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: don't know how to feel like. I'm just very curt 237 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: My my pride and enjoy was taken from in It 238 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: just makes really bad who betrayed you? Who do you 239 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: think betrayed you? Like the babysitter. I mean, I just 240 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: want her to just say like the truth, like that 241 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: she had them. The truth is eventually going to come out. 242 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: It is. So she's taking time out from the graving 243 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: process to call the local Fox station to talk about 244 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: how she has been betrayed. And I just like to 245 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: point out, not judging, but as in Top Mom Casey Anthony, 246 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: when cops finally catch up to her and find her, 247 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: she has the full hair do, the makeup, the hot 248 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: pink lipstick found a and the full eyeliner. You know, 249 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: it's hard to keep that stuff on when you're crying. 250 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: Just I'm just putting it out there, but that's what 251 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm observing. What about it asked you will cat jump in. 252 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Not only that, but it's all symptomatic of narcissism and 253 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: a narcissist And so all of these little things go 254 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: together and she's gonna look her best, and she's gonna 255 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: sound her best, and it's all about her and everything's 256 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: great for her. Mug shot excuse me, as she will caught. 257 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: I know you're a lawyer. I know you're a juvenil judge. 258 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: I know you founded a website, but you're also a shrink. 259 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: When did you get your m D? Because you're throwing 260 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: out narcissistant like you know what you're dressed. I know, 261 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not just steal that from Lauren Howard. Lauren, 262 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you, but i'd be girlfriend. 263 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: I would love to give this girl the benefit of 264 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: a personality disorder diagnosis of narcissistic personality sort of. But 265 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: that is not the case. Sorry, No, absolutely not. This 266 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: is a self centered, not very bright that's clear self centered, 267 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: concerned with her own sort of survival and having fun 268 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: and having a life. She absolutely believes, I mean, you know, 269 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: it's the o j Uh syndrome. She acstlutely believes that 270 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: somehow or other she did make arrangements. She didn't profably 271 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: kill her kids. She would never do that, she loves 272 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: her kids. But I truly believe that's her where her 273 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: head is. She made arrangements, all right. She made arrangements 274 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: to lock her two children to slowly die inside her 275 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: air tight car over fourteen hours. To George skiro DNA expert, George, 276 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: what would you expect to find in the car if 277 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: this were a heat stroke? And what is a heat stroke? Well, 278 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: a heat stroke is when the body's exposed to uh 279 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: prolonged high tempictures over time that's going to cause the 280 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: body to eventually shut down. Uh. The preliminary UM prelimity 281 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: autopsy reports from what understand was dehydration and exposure. Of course, 282 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: they're also going to want to look in do toxicology 283 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: on the children to look for any mark exposure to 284 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: what heat, Yes, exposure to heat um and like I said, 285 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: dehydration from lack of water um and like I said, 286 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: the long term looking at things again, see if they 287 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: were if any uh any types of drugs were given 288 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: to them, if anything was done to even suppress their 289 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: their system even more maybe put the You may like 290 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: give them benagerl Yes, that's correct. I give my husband 291 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: half a bottle of benadol every night and it works great. 292 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: But when it comes down to children, n even a 293 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: tiny bit over can be fatal. Um, don't judge me. 294 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: George Skierra bet. When the children were young, they're having 295 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: all sorts of issues. I gave them their correct dosage 296 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: of benage real only, which I was so nervous about. 297 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I'd measure it out in a UM syringe, the kind 298 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: you get to perfectly measure it of course, about a needle. 299 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: Only to learn my husband came along right behind me 300 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: and also gave them ben drel Oh my stars. Of anyway, 301 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: obviously they're fine, but that is scary. So George Skiro, 302 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: you say that they're doing taught psychology to see if 303 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: she possibly um sedated them so they wouldn't scream. That 304 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: would be one possibility, yes, or to again just keep 305 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: them quiet, uh in the car, put them to sleep, 306 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And again when you when you 307 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: combine perhaps non therapeutic doses with that high temperature and heat, 308 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: that's only going to lead to one thing, and that's death. 309 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: The issue about being buckled into a car seat reminds 310 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: me so much of Susan Smith buckling her children into 311 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: the car seat and pushing the car into the water. 312 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: Her that feeling of helplessness. Now, let me understand something, 313 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: Larry May, her Crime Stories investigative reporter. Let me get 314 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: this straight. So she works at a restaurant. She's traps 315 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: her children into the car seats, leaves them in this driveway, 316 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: and she leaves and hitches a ride with her grandmother, 317 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: who takes her to work and agrees to pick her 318 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: up after a twelve hours shift. Police have they have 319 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: not connected the dots yet. My understanding is I believe 320 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: that she thought whoever lived at that house was going 321 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: to take care of her kids. The people at that 322 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: house said, we had nothing, We had no arrangement for 323 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: taking care of the kids. So obviously there was no 324 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: communication between her and the family that lived in this house. Well, 325 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: that sounds Ashley Wilcot exactly like what Top Mom said, 326 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: exactly like what Casey Anthony said about the imaginary babysitters 327 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: Denight A. Gonzalez exactly. And I have to say that 328 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: it's given social media amount of media coverage. Don't you 329 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: wonder if some of these people with these issues steal 330 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: the headlines, so to speak, and say, oh, it worked 331 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: for her. I'm going to say this, it was the 332 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: imaginary babysitter. You know what. I hadn't even thought of 333 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: it at that angle. Yet here's another twist on this. 334 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: Lauren Howard, her own brother Vincent the last quiz is 335 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: speaking out. Listen. You know, they just they never had 336 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: a chance. And she's very manipulative. So we would call 337 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: explain her mentally, she's explained she's doing. They would come 338 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: and talk to her and they would just leave. We 339 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: would never hear anything back. They would come talk to 340 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: her and leave. Come talk to her and leave. But 341 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: like I said, she would, she would manipulate them to 342 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: look normal. We tried, We begged cps to take the kids. 343 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: We've we begged the cops. M nothing would happen. So 344 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: the only thing we could do. We can't kidnap the kids, 345 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: so we would let them. You know, my grandparents let 346 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: them stay in her house. So and then other than that, 347 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much all we could do is know 348 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: that they're in a home being fed there Anderson Um 349 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: didn't even have a chance to live. They never got 350 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: to love anybody. Um. One thing I'm I'm happy about 351 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: that my grandparents. Um, they took care of them. Um. Um. 352 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: If it wasn't from my grandparents, those kids would have 353 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: never seen true love. Larn Howard, psychologist joining us out 354 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: of New York. That's her own brother. Yeah, I mean, 355 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, we know, we we've known about the grandparents. 356 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: I was not aware that the brother also um had 357 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: had felt the same felt the same issues with her. 358 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: It is not usual for naughty people or people doing 359 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: the wrong thing to be manipulated, and any mental health 360 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: professional is very much aware of that. And it's trained 361 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: to see through it. But so it really does go back, 362 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: as as Astley said, to a failure of the system. 363 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: The Child Protective Services was called several times, they came, 364 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: they did not do a thorough, appropriate, complete analysis of 365 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: the situation, and this is the result of it. And 366 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: there's no question that's what occurs. Now. I'm not blaming 367 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 1: Child Protective Services for this mother's behavior, but there I am. Well, 368 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: I'll just put it out there. Of course, they are 369 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: not the ones that kill the children, but they were 370 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: told over and over and over to save the children, 371 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: to get them out of the home. As she Willcott 372 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: Juvenile Judge catch this her last post, which I was 373 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: describing earlier about how s h I t t y 374 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: other moms can be well, the last statement that she made, 375 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: according to reports, the last comment on that thread states yes, 376 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: effing stupid mothers out there. Yeah. And I'm gonna say 377 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: this every time I try a case, my best evidence 378 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: is from people who know the person, the relatives, the friends. 379 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: If you would have, like if the defects would have 380 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: investigated and spoken to those people, or if there were 381 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: a trial and those people testified, you're going to have 382 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: the evidence that it's the mother who's sick, not the 383 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: other mothers like she wants to goin. Take a listen 384 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: to what local police saying. The mother has been booked 385 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: in to the Panel County Jail on two counts the 386 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: first degree murder. We are currently still investigating. We're awaiting 387 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: the autopsy and the toxicology reports for the two kids, 388 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: so those charges could change. We're gonna work with the 389 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: County Attorney's office to make sure that we get the 390 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: appropriate charging. Um. However, at this time, she is at 391 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: the Panel County Jail on two counts the first screen murder. Uh, 392 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: there was enough to book her, however, we want to 393 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: make sure that, especially in a case like this where 394 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: mother's lost two kids at the same time, we want 395 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that we have the appropriate charge. And 396 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: so still fair to say there was signs of foul 397 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: our bell play. There was evidence that allowed us to 398 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: book her into jail on two charges for murder. Where 399 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: those children, did they have gunshot wounds, stab wounds or 400 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm not aware of any gunshot wounds 401 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: or stab wounds. The call for was for two children 402 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: found the seast in a car um so we responded 403 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: with our detectives and our crime scene investigators. This is 404 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: a small community. We know Brittany Um. In the last 405 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: two years, we probably responded to her home to her 406 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: house on seven or eight different occasions for various matters, 407 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: anything involving the children, impossibly with lect or abuse. Maybe 408 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: we're still reviewing our records, but we know at least 409 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: one incident that happened on January three where CPS was 410 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: contacted in reference to children, and what was the result 411 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: of that. I don't know what action, if any, CPS 412 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: has taken UM at the time. UM. I don't know 413 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: if any of you are familiar with the process, but basically, 414 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: you contact their hotline, give us an opposition to the situation, 415 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: and then they make a determination from there. It is 416 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: my understanding that when the January three incident was reported, 417 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: they did not take the action. Family seemed to indicate 418 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: that you were trying to help in regards to CPS. 419 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement? Yes, and nothing was done 420 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, NOE. Was this frustrating for you? Yes, 421 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: this is a serious incident. This is a small community. 422 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: It is absolutely rocked superior um. The last homicide investigation 423 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: of any significant magnitude was probably eight or nine years ago. 424 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: Occasionally people die in car accidents in the area, but 425 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: this is unheard of for us, So you were considered 426 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: it could get to this level maybe that January goal. 427 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: One of our officers was yes, and that's why I called. 428 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: As far as warning signs, probably um or inside things 429 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: that would concern us, and I think I can speak 430 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: from my staff. We are a dedicated vote, a very 431 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: skilled batch of individuals, and they will do the right thing, 432 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: and they did. As far as other stayed entities, I 433 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: can't speak for what they did or didn't do. It 434 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: was reported by a relative that she would often leave 435 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: her kids at the home and expect someone else to 436 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: take care of them. Any indications, no clue to the 437 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: conditions children responding, I can't because I wasn't there at 438 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: the time. No discussions on that yet, not specifically. They 439 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: were found in the vehicle and they were dead and 440 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: CPR is performed actually inside the house. That the initial 441 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: information suggested that they have been removed from the vehicle 442 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: so that the mother could perform the CPR that prior 443 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: to your officers are riving. That's how I understood. So 444 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: when your officers arrived, the children were in. That's what 445 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: I understand, and her Brittany took the children out of 446 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: the car get into the house. That's what was reported. Yes, 447 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: Larry May her Crime Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true. 448 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: The brother also makes another allegation. He claims that he 449 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: and his family have been convinced that his sister is 450 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: bettally ill since she was very young, and she has 451 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: been a little off. In his words, you know you're 452 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: interesting to Lauren Howard. Psychologists joining us, Lauren. A lot 453 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: of times when people misbehave or they break the law, 454 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: they do something we don't understand, like top Mom, Casey Anthony. 455 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: We say she's crazy. That's the street word crazy. That 456 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: does not mean legally insane. The common vernacular of crazy 457 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: is they don't conform to what you think they should be. 458 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: That is not insane. A negligent mother, I mean to me, 459 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: you've got to be quote crazy to leave your child 460 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: alone for days on in while you get clubbing. But 461 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: that is not insanity under the law, Lauren, that is 462 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: not insane. Okay, But Nancy, you know that whoever her 463 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: assuming public defender is, they are going to go for 464 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: an insanity plea on this they are, and you know, 465 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: she's not showing remorse, she's being Her behavior is disassociated. 466 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: She doesn't think she's guilty. She doesn't, you know, it's 467 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: not one of those things where after she does that 468 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: she says, oh my god, look what I've done. No, 469 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: as a matter of facturer, right, Lauren Alan rolling again, 470 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: let's follow it with Lauren Howard just said, let's take 471 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: a listen. Now, keep in mind, keep in mind as 472 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: you are hearing this, that two children, Brooklyn Rose and Christopher, 473 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: are dead. This is their mother speaking out for the 474 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: first time. She takes upon herself to do a voluntary 475 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: interview with the local Fox station there in Arizona. Listen 476 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: to what she says. It may be very mad. I 477 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: thought the trade, like I really pulled the trade. I 478 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: haven't really been showing too much emotion to everything that's 479 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: going on because I don't know how to feel like 480 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm just very curb my I my pride and enjoy 481 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: it was taken and come in and it just makes 482 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: really mad. Who betrayed you? Who do you think betrayed you? 483 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: Like the baby said, I mean, I just wanted her 484 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: to just say like the truth, like that she had 485 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: them the truth is eventually going to come out. It 486 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: is well, you're it yourself. 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Imagine opening your door on 510 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: a bright Saturday morning to find a clown standing there 511 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: and full clown regalia with the orange wig, the red nose, 512 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: the high top shoes with balloons and flowers, and not 513 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: really putting two and two together. Suddenly, before you can 514 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: even ask a question, the clown raises a handgun and 515 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: shoots the mom of the home in the face, then 516 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: calmly turns around, walks to a Chrysler LeBaron convertible in 517 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: the driveway and leaves. That is exactly what happened to 518 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: a young mom, Marlene Warren, which she opened the door 519 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: on a Saturday, More to Flount to find that clown 520 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: in an orange wig, red nose, high tap shoes with balloons, incarnations, 521 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: and now years later the case is solved straight out 522 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: to Chuck Robert's Crime Stories investigative reporter Chuck, what happened well, 523 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: mar Marlene Warren living in a pretty upscale West Palm 524 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: Beach en play called the Aero Club opens your door 525 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: as you said on ninety, which of course is just 526 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: about years ago. And there is the plown wearing a 527 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: clown suit, carrying flowers and two foil balloons, one with 528 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: the inscription You're the Greatest and the other embossed with 529 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: snow white and opens and shoots twice with a thirty 530 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: eight caliber handgun. Her uh step son, a boy in 531 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: his twenties, actually a man in his twenty named Joey 532 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: Ahearn's who is the son of Michael Warren's uh former wife, 533 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: described in pretty good detail what the clown costume looked 534 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: like and how the woman calmly walked away and got 535 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: into the LeBaron and drove off. The only thing he 536 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: could describe other than the costume itself was that she 537 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: had brown eyes. Apparently she didn't speak, so he just 538 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: surmised that it was a woman. The car was abandoned 539 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: a parking lot a few miles away. Uh. No sign 540 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: of the clown costume itself, but there was some forensic 541 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: evidence that they retrieved and back in n they couldn't 542 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: do an awful lot with it. But here we are 543 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: twenty eight years later and they can and they did, 544 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: and that's produced and arrest. Oh my stars, and just 545 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: amazed that we're just finding out the evidence. Now, I 546 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: want to go back to the purchase of the clown costume. 547 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this woman speaking to ABC's twin 548 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: So you had a knock at the door, right, and 549 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: then what she said, I need to buy a costume. 550 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 1: And I said, can you come back tomorrow? We're closed, 551 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: and now I really need to get a costume tonight. 552 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: The Ruby's clown costume and Afro clown wig, Bob Kelly 553 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: clown makeup and sponge nose. I'd say probably around five 554 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: eight brown eyes, long chocolate hair, and jeans and a 555 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: men's work should Do you remember how much I think 556 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: the sale was? Like either seventy nine or eighty nine 557 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: dollars cash cash. Did you know why they were asking? 558 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: I said, could I ask please what this is in 559 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: reference to? And he said, well, you're probably going to 560 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: read about it all over the papers tomorrow morning. But 561 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: a woman was shot at her front door by a 562 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: person dressed in a clown costume wearing flowers and blooms, 563 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: and he shot her in the face and my Chuck 564 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: Roberts with me Crime Stories investigative reporter, Chuck. Have they 565 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: known all along where the clown suit was purchased or 566 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: they just learning that as well. I think they knew 567 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: it all along. Um uh, you know, a lot of 568 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: this is coming out very late. There was a three 569 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: thousand page document released by the police, uh maybe nine 570 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: months after the arrest of Michael Warren's now wife then 571 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: love her. At the time, she was always a suspect, 572 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: but the evidence was pretty circumstantial. But yes, you're right, 573 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: we just now learned that she was identified by two 574 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: employees of the clown shop and also identified by an 575 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: employee at a public's grocery store who sold her the 576 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: foil balloons. And I'm wondering, I mean, they know who 577 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 1: sold her the balloons, they know who we think gave 578 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: her sold her the clown ustum, but they didn't have 579 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: surveillance video at the publix to I d the purchaser 580 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: of the balloons. Incarnations Chuck apparently not. Yeah, that's a 581 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: very good point. She was disguising herself at the time, 582 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: but the description, according to the release of this information 583 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: last week, was pretty vivid. You know she has long 584 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: brown hair. The description was kind of dead up, I 585 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: would think, But in any case, they had to put 586 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: it all together. They had a motive. Um the fact that, uh, 587 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: the suspect, Sheila Keene Warren, was in love with the 588 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: wife with the husband of the woman who was killed 589 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: that day standing in her doorway. It's just shocking to 590 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: me that it's been twenty seven years since a young 591 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: mom's gunned down in her own home at the front door. 592 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: And you may wonder what could be possible a motivation. Well, 593 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: mar Lean Warren was the suspects husband's first wife, as 594 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: you know now we know, gunned down allegedly by his girlfriend. 595 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: Was she really the husband's girlfriend? They were rumored to 596 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: have had a secret relationship her, Sheila Keane and the husband, 597 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: Michael Warren, before she married him back in two thousand two. 598 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: Why according to employees, they say that the two have 599 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: been seen kissing and actually having sexual relations in the office. Uh, 600 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: and the neighbors say he was frequently at her home. 601 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: They denied the relationship to Lauren Howard, psychologists joining us, 602 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: this is the story as old as dirt. You know 603 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: what I really love, Nancy is the snow white balloon, 604 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: because that that sort of tells the story, doesn't it. 605 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure that was a purposeful choice to choose a 606 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: snow white balloon. Yeah, it's just all all the time 607 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: of mortal. I mean, you know, it's just funny. I'm 608 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: funny ha ha um donning this clown cart. It was 609 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: so premeditated, The whole thing was so planned and so decisive. 610 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: And the fact that she got away with it for 611 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: this long, I mean it is almost her liberating for her. 612 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, she never how she could not have gotten 613 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: caught is beyond me. But you know, I understand technology 614 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: has changed. UM. Motivation pretty clear, but murder take a 615 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: listen to this. The detectives during the initial investigation developed 616 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: some people of interest, one being Sheila Keen. UM. It 617 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: was rumored that Sheila Keene and Michael barn were having 618 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: an affair. UM. We now have learned since then that 619 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: they have married and they are currently married, and they 620 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: were living in the Tennessee, Virginia area. UM. The detectives 621 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: during the initial investigation, Detective Bill Williams and the rest 622 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: of his team AMEDD a phenomenal job documenting the entire case. 623 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: UM as well as collecting and preserving the crime UH 624 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: evidence from the crime scene. I like to say that UM, 625 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: in cold cases, we kind of we have a big 626 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: puzzle and some of the pieces already filled in, and 627 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: a lot of it was already filled in by the 628 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: thorough investigation done by the initial detectives. UM, we just 629 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: needed a few of those little pieces of the puzzle 630 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: and we were able to do that UM with DNA, 631 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: the new technologies and DNA, and we were able to 632 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: complete the puzzle. And I think that's what led to 633 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: the indictment. And we went back and interviewed numerous witnesses. 634 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: We had a LOK and find them and then interview 635 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: numerous witnesses. UM, we reviewed the evidence. We're able to 636 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: submit new evidence for UM DNA analysis and UM and 637 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: doing so we were able to get the indictment. The 638 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: case is still ongoing and UM we will definitely work 639 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: diligently to determine if anyone else was involved. Did you 640 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: talk about not just this case in the bigger pictures 641 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: the sheriff talked about a share state in turn, or 642 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: talk about the advancements in the technology that allow you 643 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: to be able to solve this kind of case. And 644 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: specifically what in the bigger picture just that allow you 645 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: to do and how far are you've calling that area. 646 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: That's a lot of questions UM. Back in UM, I 647 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: believe back then they just had a bio typing and 648 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: things like that. So now we have uh nicolo DNA, 649 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: we have touched DNA, we have mitochondrial DNA, and all 650 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: of those things together allow us UM to be able 651 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: to test items that weren't able to be tested back 652 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: in n UM. So it has definitely UM led us 653 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: to be able to solve a lot of our coal 654 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: cases through the advances in technology. Do you reiterate what 655 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: she said before she showed her and what the balloon said. 656 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: One balloon said You're the greatest and the other one, 657 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: I believe was a snow white balloon, and UM said 658 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: something to the effect of, oh, how nice. Detectives during 659 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: the initial vest of days, you were able to determine 660 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: that the same balloons and flower arrangement was purchased out 661 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: of public which was about six tenths to a mile 662 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: UM away from where Sheila Keen's apartment was at the time, 663 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: just just before the day, Yes, the same the same day. Yes, 664 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: all the evidence that you had back in. Do you 665 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: understand why she couldn't have been prosecuted that it just 666 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: wasn't quite over the line? Um, yes, that I mean 667 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: that obviously is the decision of the State Attorney's office. 668 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: And if they don't believe that their sufficient evidence to 669 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, then um, you'll 670 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: you get basically one shot. If you roll that dice 671 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: and you take that chance and she's found not guilty, 672 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: then she never can be charged again. So sometimes just 673 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: patience is the best and now here Virginia Police and Avington, 674 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: Virginia woman has been arrested and charged within twenty seven 675 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: year old capital murder case that originated out of Palm 676 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: Beach County. Tomorrow, the Worst count of Virginia Sheriff's Office 677 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: Criminal Investigative Division received information and from the Palm Beach 678 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office that they had obtained information in lead 679 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: king Sheila Keane Warren of Abington, Virginia to the nine 680 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: homicide of Marlene Warren. She's been charged with first degree 681 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: murder with the firearm of Marlene and Warren. She's been 682 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: transported to the Abington facility of the Southwest Virginia Regional 683 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: Jail in Abington, where she is awaiting extradition back to 684 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: Palm Beach County, Florida. The suspect of the arreste walked 685 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: up to the front door with the balloons in her hand. Uh. 686 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: The deceased victim came to the front door and was 687 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: shot at that location. Well, any murders horrific. It doesn't 688 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: matter wearing a clown costume or not taking him another 689 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: person's life. It's already for it against It just took 690 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: us twenty seven years to bring closure to this. To 691 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 1: the victims family murder case, just never go away. They 692 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: never go away. To Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and founder 693 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: of child crime watch dot com, the neighbors were stunned. 694 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: Isn't that always the way? They lived? In a very 695 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: affluent neighborhood actually on a lake. Listen to this, Ashley, 696 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: the very friendly, outgoing nice he was a happy, affectionate 697 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: type person. They would hug you when you'd go see them. 698 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: If you needed something, you call them and they'd be there. 699 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: I've been in Chalk ever since. Yeah, I couldn't believe 700 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: that that and still don't just hold him, pray that 701 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: she's not guilty, very distraught, which he would be. Hey, 702 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 1: Um told me, he said, you know, she didn't do this. 703 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: He's just so kind hearted. I saw absolutely. That's why 704 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: this whole thing is so hard to believe. Ashley Wilcott, 705 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm not stunned. You know what this You should never 706 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: be stunned by anybody that does anything because, bottom line, 707 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to affairs of the heart, it is 708 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: an old story. This does happen. The other thing I 709 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: want to point out in this case, Nancy, is you 710 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: know what, I generally believe, what goes around comes around. 711 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: And even though it's this many years later, guess what 712 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: she's arrested. You know, this is what we had at 713 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: the time. The costume shop employees, along with them detectives 714 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: learned flowers and balloons came in from a supermarket half 715 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: a mile from the victims home. The chryst Little Baron 716 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: was soon found abandoned in a nearby parking lot. It 717 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: had been reported stolen by a payless rental agency near 718 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,879 Speaker 1: Michael Lawrence car lot Bargain Motors. Now it had been 719 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,720 Speaker 1: rented to a couple that told detectives they had arrived 720 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: after hours at the pay less, hoping to leave the 721 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: car and finding nobody there, they went home and long 722 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: story short, the car ended up being stolen. So it 723 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: was a stolen car that was discovered later. What about 724 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: the outfit? George Skiro joining me d N a expert, 725 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: Now DNA technology has been used, explaining it appears that 726 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,879 Speaker 1: they used what's known as mitochondrial DNA to make this 727 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: uh association between some brown hairs that were found in 728 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: the vehicle along with some orange wig fibers UM, and 729 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: they used this to make this association to Sheila Keane 730 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,479 Speaker 1: Warren UM. Now, I don't know why it took so long. 731 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: The first mitochondrial DNA case in the United States was 732 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: back in so this technology has been around for almost 733 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: for over twenty years, so I don't understand why it's 734 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: taken that long, But it appears to be that's the 735 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: type of DNA association that they made in this case. 736 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: And this is a type of DNA that's inherited from 737 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: the mother only UM so passes from mother to daughter 738 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: or mother to son. And UH, it's not as specific 739 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 1: as the regular type of DNA that we we look at. UH, 740 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: it's more um you know, instead of one in ten 741 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,399 Speaker 1: trillion numbers. We get this is going to be more 742 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: like in the thousands as opposed to something very specific. 743 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,479 Speaker 1: But like I said, I don't know why it took 744 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: this long, given that the technology has been around so 745 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: gay as. We also learned that the husband told detectives 746 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: he and his wife had a great relationship, but his 747 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: employees told a completely different story. Her family does as well. 748 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: They claim that now dead Marlene Warren had threatened to 749 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: divorce him over quote numerous affairs Lauren Howard, numerous affairs, 750 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: and forb beating her. Well, do we think that Michael 751 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: Warren had something to do with this, that he was 752 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: aware of what his girlfriend was doing? Yeah, I think 753 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: that's the question. I mean, I don't know that, but 754 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean he's at our house all the time. They're 755 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: having sex at the office. I mean, don't you think 756 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: he knows she goes and rents a clown costume and 757 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: then his wife turns up Dad he doesn't think Wow. 758 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they never talk about it. It's very possible 759 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: they don't. But he may suspect it, just as the 760 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: police suspected it. I mean, it seems pretty obvious, right, 761 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 1: I mean, all of the in terms of motives. Who's 762 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: going to walk up to a woman's store and shoot 763 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: her in the face. There, there's got to be a 764 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: motive for it, and the only person with a motive 765 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: you know, you're right. So Chuck Roberts has a whole 766 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: another can of worms. We don't know, and he has 767 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: not been named as a person of interest whether he 768 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: knew about it or not. But let's get real, Chuck Roberts, 769 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: you know he never asked her, hey, did you do it? 770 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: And the rental car, remember the rental car was stolen 771 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: from a spot right beside his used car. Lone I 772 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: was from the Payless rental agency and he'd had a 773 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 1: dispute with Payless, so we're using that name in his 774 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: ads at Bargain Motors. So there was a dispute. It's 775 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of a complicated story. But the Chrysler baron comes 776 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,319 Speaker 1: back that can be traced back to Bargain Motors, and 777 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: I think that's another key that helps solve this cold case. 778 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: That plus testimony from Joseph Ahearn's Joseph Ahearn's attorney was 779 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: interviewed by investigators in Palm Beach and he told them 780 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: that a year before the shooting of Marlene Warren, that 781 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: Michael Warren asked him whether or not if a husband 782 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: killed his wife on her that it would affect his 783 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: his taking of her estate, and the attorney advised him, 784 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,720 Speaker 1: not really unless you're actually convicted a first degree murder 785 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: and indeed, uh the Michael Warren inherited her asset insurance policy. 786 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,839 Speaker 1: That is painful because, according to his employees, he said 787 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: he would never divorce his first swap because she would 788 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,800 Speaker 1: get half his assets and then bam, no more division 789 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: of property problems for him. She shot down at the 790 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: front door, clearly an assassination. We are on the case 791 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: waiting to see if any other charges will develop. Nancy 792 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:30,919 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend. Attention type two diabetics. 793 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: If you are a loved one has taken invocano invo 794 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: commet or invo Commet x R or other inhibitors for 795 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,720 Speaker 1: type two diabetes and suffered amputation of the toes, feet, 796 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: or legs, you may be entitled to substantial financial compensation. 797 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 1: Act now. 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