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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with you.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you about doctor Michael O. Sala, internationally

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Speaker 2: recognized scholar who is taught at the universities in the

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Speaker 2: US and Australia, including the American University in Washington, d C. Today,

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Speaker 2: he is most popularly known as a pioneer in the

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Speaker 2: development of the field of exopolitics, the study of main

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Speaker 2: actors and institutions associated with the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

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Speaker 2: His books include US Army Insider Missions, US Air Force

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Speaker 2: Secret Space Program, and his website is linked up at

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Speaker 2: Coast tocoastdam dot com. Michael, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: How have you been, thanks Jorje. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 4: Moved from Hawaii, living in Key West these days.

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Speaker 2: Big move. When did you do that?

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Speaker 4: I did that about three years ago, Key West, January

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Speaker 4: of last year.

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Speaker 3: And it's lovely out here.

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Speaker 2: It's not bad, not bad at all. What's you know

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Speaker 2: in the world of actual politics, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot to.

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Speaker 4: Report at a in terms of lots of events happening

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Speaker 4: concerning UFO disclosure in the US Congress and the official

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Speaker 4: interest growing, but yet nothing concrete has been achieved in

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Speaker 4: terms of the public learning the truth. We just we're

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Speaker 4: getting more information, we're getting more whistleblowers coming out, more

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Speaker 4: members of Congress are taking it seriously, but no official

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Speaker 4: statements from the executive branch that all this is real.

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Speaker 4: So we're still we're still kind of struggling to make progress.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever get the answer from government?

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Speaker 3: I think we will.

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Speaker 4: I think it's we're in the midst of some kind

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Speaker 4: of process. There seems to be like a two steps forward,

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Speaker 4: one step back process happening here. And exactly why that's happening,

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Speaker 4: that is the question many of us are asking. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we've been having ever since the hearings began in the

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Speaker 4: US Congress, public interest and legacy media interest in UFOs

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Speaker 4: has really taken off, but yet we haven't made any

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Speaker 4: real progress in following up what the whistleblowers have said

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Speaker 4: in these hearings. In twenty twenty three July, you had

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Speaker 4: David Grush come forward, and he really broke new ground

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Speaker 4: when he was saying that he was aware of up

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Speaker 4: to forty different insiders and whistleblowers who had first hand

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Speaker 4: knowledge on UFO crash retrieval operations, corporate reverse engineering projects, and.

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Speaker 3: The existence of non human intelligence.

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Speaker 4: So that was kind of like, to my mind, the

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Speaker 4: higher watermark in the official disclosure efforts, because now, all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, you had people at high levels in

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Speaker 4: Congress and legacy media talking about these types of esoteric

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Speaker 4: issues that others have been speaking about for decades but

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Speaker 4: never were taken seriously. Now, all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 4: big news. And so we were expecting that Congress would

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Speaker 4: follow up and hold further hearings and get more information

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Speaker 4: and get more facts concerning these UFO crash retrieval operations.

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Speaker 4: Since David Grush came forward, it's it's kind of like

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Speaker 4: going backwards. It's taken a step back, And of course

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Speaker 4: then there's this proposed legislation, the up Disclosure Act, which

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Speaker 4: has had a kind of similar fate.

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Speaker 2: The fact that it's taken a step back. You think

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Speaker 2: that was by design or accident.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe it was an accident or I think

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Speaker 4: it is by design, and I wouldn't blame it on

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Speaker 4: the usual actors. I mean, I think people might say, well,

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Speaker 4: this was a deep state action. This was taken by

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Speaker 4: those that have long been in favor of secrecy.

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Speaker 3: But there's good reason.

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Speaker 4: To think that maybe even the white hats, those that

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Speaker 4: to slow this down a bit, Maybe we need to

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Speaker 4: get the public to a certain place first before all

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Speaker 4: of this is disclosed, because of the potential for a

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Speaker 4: kind of like societal back breakdown, because I imagine that

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Speaker 4: there would be a lot of angry people who are saying, well,

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Speaker 4: this was kept from us for decades, and some of

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Speaker 4: these technologies are life saving. I mean people might say, well,

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Speaker 4: my uncle or grandmother would have been saved if these

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Speaker 4: advanced technologies are dealing with health were released years ago,

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Speaker 4: in fact, but instead they were kept secret for all

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Speaker 2: I think it was twenty seventeen when The New York

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Speaker 2: Times came out with a story about the abs UFO videos.

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Speaker 2: The tech tags that changed a lot of things, didn't it,

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Speaker 2: they Michael, It sure did.

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Speaker 4: That was really the beginning that opened the door to

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Speaker 4: official interest in the UFO issue. Prior to that, as

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Speaker 4: you well know, I mean, there's been lots of researchers

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Speaker 4: interest at all. It was like a career loser. But

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Speaker 4: after twenty seventeen, after those articles came out in the

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Speaker 4: New York Times in Politico, it signified a shift. It

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Speaker 4: signified that you could be in Congress or in the

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Speaker 4: legacy media and you could talk about these topics and

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Speaker 4: it would actually be okay.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't lose you career over it.

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Speaker 4: And so that was a big shift. And so after

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Speaker 4: that you had the beginning of these congressional hearings in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. I believe the first one was held

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Speaker 4: since the nineteen sixties, so we're talking like over a

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Speaker 4: fifty year span. Between these congressional UFO hearings, you had

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Speaker 4: the creation of a task force by the Navy, the

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Speaker 4: UAP Task Force.

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Speaker 3: And then that evolved.

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Speaker 4: Into what's today called the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office,

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Speaker 4: which in theory should be kind of leading the charge

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Speaker 4: in having whistleblowers coming forward talking about what they know

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Speaker 4: on the UFO issue. But in fact, the Raw Office

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Speaker 4: has been a big disappointment. Rather than encouraging and protecting

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Speaker 4: whistle blowers, it's been hindering them and pretty much kind

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Speaker 4: of like filtering out their testimonies, like that the whistleblowers

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Speaker 4: released to the public for lack of evidence. And of course,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the whole point of whistleblowers coming forward is

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Speaker 4: to generate interest so that the evidence can be found

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Speaker 4: through investigations. But if you're just going to lock away

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Speaker 4: the whistleblower testimonies because of lack of evidence, then you're

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Speaker 4: not You're not really going to move the UFO disclosure

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Speaker 4: process forward much at all. And so the Error Office

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Speaker 4: has been heavily criticized, especially especially under its first director,

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Speaker 4: Sean Kirkpatrick, and the present director doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 4: changing the kind of like stance or the position of

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Speaker 2: It's almost as if they're saying to themselves, what am

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it seems to be conflicting kind of priorities there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, on the one hand, they're supposed to screen

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, they.

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Speaker 4: Are taking the approach that while without any hard evidence,

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Speaker 4: they just fall back on the more traditional UFO sidings.

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Speaker 4: And you know, frankly, I mean, there are tens of

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Speaker 4: shifted the debate all that much. What's going to shift

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Speaker 4: things is for people like David Grash to come forward

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Speaker 4: and to be able to safely disclose what they know.

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Speaker 2: And I assume the Error of Office has been shut

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Speaker 2: down because of the shutdown of a government, right.

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Speaker 4: Well, there you go. I mean, that's right, that's probably

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Speaker 4: one of the non essential branches of government that has

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, I think the funding will start flowing

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Speaker 4: again at some point and these non essential government entities

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Speaker 4: will begin functioning again. Now, there have been some people

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Speaker 4: because it's failed to really protect whistleblowers. But I think

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Speaker 4: to perform a vital function, but it's not being allowed to.

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Speaker 4: And that's where we get to this question of, well,

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Speaker 4: who's really slowing down the disclosure process? You know, what

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Speaker 4: are they waiting for? I think they are waiting for

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Speaker 4: a major event, because ultimately, the officer of the President,

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Speaker 4: I mean, President Trump can just with a few words

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Speaker 4: change things dramatically. But he's been silent on the UFO issue,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's because he's been advised not to

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Speaker 4: talk about it at the moment because it's not the

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Speaker 4: right time. Isn't here yet for the kind of disclosure

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Speaker 4: having to wait. But I think when the time is right,

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Speaker 4: I think you'll get announcements from the Office of the President.

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Speaker 4: And that's going to be when we really head into

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Speaker 4: this official disclosure ter tory.

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Speaker 2: Who does the Arrow Office report to? What agencies?

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Speaker 3: Wake on?

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Speaker 4: The Arrow Office reports to the Pentagon and to the

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Speaker 4: Office of the Director of National Intelligence, So it's kind

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Speaker 4: of like jointly run and so it's kind of like

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Speaker 4: kind of reporting mechanism. What we really need is an

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Speaker 4: yet happened. I mean, that was one of the things

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Speaker 4: so they would make recommendations, and the President would get

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Speaker 4: So the Error Office doesn't have that capacity yet. It

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Speaker 4: really is just reporting to Pentagon officials. I think, like

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Speaker 4: it's Kathleen Hicks, that the Error Office ultimately reports to her.

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Speaker 2: So it really doesn't have any autonomy, does it.

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 4: No, I mean it can be stymied at different levels

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Speaker 4: you know, they're not really supporting whistle blowers they're hindering

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Speaker 4: discouraging whistle blows from coming forward, and so that kind

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Speaker 4: of slows down the whole disclosure process. Because whistleblowers who

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Speaker 4: come from the intelligence community or the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 4: I mean, these people have careers. I mean you look

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Speaker 4: at someone like David Grash. I mean he was a

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Speaker 4: fourteen year Air Force veteran and he achieved a kind

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Speaker 4: of senior rank within the bureaucracy, but in becoming a whistleblower,

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Speaker 4: his career was pretty much destroyed. And others look at

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Speaker 4: that and say, well, what's to stop that from happening

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Speaker 4: to me? If I come forward and talk about what

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Speaker 4: I know of UFO crash retrieval programs and reverse engineering

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Speaker 4: of recovered technologies and non human intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Michael, how much of the administration do you think they know?

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Speaker 4: I think within the administration there are people in particular positions,

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Speaker 4: especially in the National Security Council, that are reading to

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Speaker 4: these programs because I think a lot of these programs

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Speaker 4: are actually run by the corporate world. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're the ones that are actually studying the material recovered

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Speaker 4: the reverse engineering, and so they managed by officials within

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Speaker 4: the National Security Council. The funding comes through the Pentagon

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Speaker 4: because the Pentagon has that capacity to be able to

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Speaker 4: send funds to whatever unacknowledged special access programs it wants

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Speaker 4: a good example of a president that was very interested

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Speaker 2: How much do you think the ninety two year old

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Speaker 2: Israeli professor HAIMI Ashed knows?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's a good example of someone who

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Speaker 4: Reconnaissance Office, And this is the kind of official who

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Speaker 4: the Galactic Federation and that Trump was told by the

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Speaker 4: Federation that at the time hadn't arrived yet for disclosure,

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Speaker 4: that we were not technologically advanced enough. And what that

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Speaker 4: about say fossil fuels used to power rockets, sell or

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Speaker 4: for petroleum for powering cars and so forth. That was

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Speaker 4: an example of the kind of technology that is still

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Speaker 4: very primitive by extraterstrial standards, and that for US to

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Speaker 4: be ready for disclosure of extraterstrial life and organizations like

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Speaker 4: the Galactic Federation, we had to move on to more

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