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Speaker 2: now the CEO of Food fifty two. She has written

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Speaker 2: a book, Nobody Cares About Your Career, which I laughed

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Speaker 1: I think, Nobody Cares about your career is exactly that,

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Speaker 1: not it's not the popular kids. It's not the kids

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Speaker 1: who did everything right. It's the kid who had something

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Speaker 1: they were interested in and worked really hard at it.

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Speaker 1: And I think resilience. You know, I think there's two things.

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Speaker 1: I think kids right now are very very rarely bored

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Speaker 1: because they mostly have phones, which just placate them. And

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Speaker 1: two they are they are helicoptered. You know. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I remember interviewing a guy once and he was like, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: if I'm to take to take this job, I really

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Speaker 1: need you to talk to my mom. And I was like, bro, like,

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Speaker 1: but you know, like sure, I'll talk to your mom,

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Speaker 1: But like, if you need your mom's approval to do

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Speaker 1: this job or you're somehow I'm beholden to your mother

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00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: because you work, oh, I was like, forget it. I've

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00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: had people be like I need you to talk to

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Speaker 1: my wife, and I also like, I don't love that either.

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Speaker 1: So I think people are co dependent in weird ways,

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Speaker 1: and people aren't able to think independently. And you know

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Speaker 1: this if you're in a startup or you're in the

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Speaker 1: heat of the moment, or whether you work in something

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Speaker 1: glamorous like content or radio or sports or you know whatnot,

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Speaker 1: or you work at like a computer company. You got

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Speaker 1: to be able to make decisions. You have to be

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Speaker 1: able to work under pressure. You have to be able

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Speaker 1: to mess up and be like, oh shit, I fucked up.

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Speaker 1: I got to fix this. And if you can't do

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Speaker 1: that when you're young, you're kind of screwed by the

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Speaker 1: time you're fifty, because then you what do you know?

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Speaker 1: What have you learned? What have you done?

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Speaker 2: Can I cannot imagine? First of all, I wouldn't hire

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Speaker 2: somebody who said you got to talk to my mom.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I wouldn't is because your judgment so

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Speaker 2: poor When that came out of your mouth, you thought

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Speaker 2: that was a sales pitch. It's like, for fuck's sake,

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Speaker 2: what are you saying like that? You should literally say

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Speaker 2: you you have to talk to my mom about her

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Speaker 2: castle role. It's the best castle role. You God, you

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Speaker 2: got to stop that sentence right there. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: interesting I saw something, uh, you know, browsing the Internet

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Speaker 2: and I and I do think there's really a lot

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Speaker 2: of smart people. I've hired people off you know, Xah.

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Speaker 2: I called you one time for advice and I said,

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Speaker 2: should the volume? Should I be on TikTok? I said,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to monetize it? And do you

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Speaker 2: remember the advice you gave me.

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Speaker 1: I probably said, like, get on TikTok? Who cares about

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Speaker 1: the monetization.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what you said. You said, get on it,

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Speaker 2: build an audience. You'll figure out the monitorization later. And

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Speaker 2: that's an interesting part because when you're at barstool or

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Speaker 2: now the CEO of food fifty two, how long are

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Speaker 2: you willing to commit to something before you see profits

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Speaker 2: or at least reasonable monetization.

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Speaker 1: Oh, if I see audience growth forever. I am a

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Speaker 1: highly impatient person. But if you put talent on a

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Speaker 1: platform or create content for a platform and it gets traction,

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Speaker 1: you've got to let The longer you do that, the

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Speaker 1: more you let that marinate, the further you explore with it.

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Speaker 1: I will wait weeks, months, I would wait years, because

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Speaker 1: the reality is if you the more audience you grow,

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Speaker 1: and if you find you've got to first, you know, first,

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Speaker 1: you have to have something to say, right, And then

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Speaker 1: you've got to find people who actually want to listen

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Speaker 1: to you and care what you have to say. And

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Speaker 1: then you want them to play with you, right, You

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Speaker 1: want to engage with them, and then you want them

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Speaker 1: to advocate for you. And maybe then you start not

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Speaker 1: just saying one thing, you're saying three things or doing

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Speaker 1: three things. The longer you wait to monetize that and

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Speaker 1: ask them to do something for you in return, which

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Speaker 1: is to buy a product or support a sponsor, it

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Speaker 1: creates this pent up demand that is really really palpable.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you look at Dave's the best at this,

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Speaker 1: if you look at Miss Peaches, Miss Peaches is arguably

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Speaker 1: the biggest personality of barshol sports right now. Do you

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Speaker 1: know miss Peaches?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure the dog, yeah, the dog yeah, so

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Speaker 2: remote and stuff, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of companies I imagine who

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Speaker 1: are like, oh, Dave like pimp our dog food, and

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Speaker 1: Dave like, you know, support this, support that, and he

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Speaker 1: held and the hold is of that pause. That hold

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Speaker 1: before you monetize is not lost time. It's actually a

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Speaker 1: huge advantage. And that's how I think about platforms. If

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Speaker 1: you can grow, it's like having a baby, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, You're just like really pregnant and then

515
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Speaker 1: you have the baby. Like growing audience and waiting to

516
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Speaker 1: monetize it is a very powerful tool that most people

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Speaker 1: don't have the stamina to wait for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't at the Volume take any you know,

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Speaker 2: VC money. It's it's we just I just said I

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Speaker 2: won't a salary. Yeah, we bootstrapped it. And I don't

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Speaker 2: necessarily know. I'm not. I'm not a control freak. I

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Speaker 2: like to pass the ball. I've got really smart people.

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Speaker 2: What is the value? You don't get the big payoff?

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Speaker 2: What is the value? Because whether I sell it or not,

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Speaker 2: I think I want the control to make make sure

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Speaker 2: I don't feel responsible necessarily for Fox Sports employees or

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Speaker 2: iHeart employees. I feel incredibly responsible for Volume employees. I

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Speaker 2: lose sleep. Yeah that's you know, they're my people, They're

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Speaker 2: my army, and so you know, it's it's and I'm

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Speaker 2: being selfishly. I'm asking this and I've thought about this

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Speaker 2: before because people say, oh, you're just you built it

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Speaker 2: to sell it, and I'm like, no, I didn't, really

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Speaker 2: I would I would consider a really cool partnership. But

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously Dave at some point could have didn't.

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Speaker 2: Now Dave was different. Dave bootstrapped it for a decade

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Speaker 2: before he made the money. Long people don't know Dave

537
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Speaker 2: was out there making nothing forever, twelve years of nothing,

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Speaker 2: just hustling. I get that. What is the downside? I

539
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Speaker 2: yes to the bag, to selling it big.

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Speaker 1: The bag has huge downside, and I think you're right.

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00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: I think you're building something. Look, if you, Colin wanted

542
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: to be like I want the highest ROI on my

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00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: dollar invested, you would not probably create a media company.

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Speaker 1: You would put it in the stock market, or buy

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Speaker 1: a piece of r or do something. So this is

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Speaker 1: a labor of love, I think, and that's partly what

547
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Speaker 1: makes it important. I think the bag is tough because

548
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: the bag, when you sell out for the bag, unless

549
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: you have a huge motor to keep going, and you

550
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: have a big reason now that you're richer and you know,

551
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: more comfortable than ever before, if you you have to

552
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Speaker 1: find that's an obstacle to overcome with fans, and I

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00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: think a lot of times when people get the bag,

554
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: they become a little lazy, Like you get better taste,

555
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: you want to travel, you buy your second house, like

556
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: you're not hungry to go build the mission, continue on

557
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: the journey, Like there's something to being hungry, you know.

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00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: The best years at Barstool, I think people would say

559
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: were probably the earliest years, and then they were the

560
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Speaker 1: beginning of my years because it was such a grind,

561
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't know if we would make it.

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00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: We still had so much road to climb. The best

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00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: years were not after the pen acquisition, you know. So

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Speaker 1: I think getting the bag also comes with responsibilities and

565
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: changes things, and that's hard for a mission driven, passion

566
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Speaker 1: driven brand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite part of the Barstool story is my

568
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: least favorite part of traveling, which is turbulence. So I

569
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Speaker 2: love I hate it on planes, and I love it

570
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: when I read the PHILM Night book. By the way,

571
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Speaker 2: people have no idea how close they were out of

572
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: money multiple times all the time. Yeah, all the time.

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00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: So when you entered Microsoft, what years were those?

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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, that was like early two thousands, like

575
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: two thousands, Okay, so.

576
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: They were established, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Baer. That

577
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: was good time. But what were the challenges of being now?

578
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: Apple was a rival, but what were the challenges of

579
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: a company where everybody was at least stockwealthy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean that. What you find, I think is

581
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: you become more bureaucratic, you become more inwardly focused. The

582
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Speaker 1: problem has become turf wars inside of a company or

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Speaker 1: which group is going to get I mean I worked

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Speaker 1: for a group that lost I think five hundred million

585
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: dollars a quarter, and we traveled first class all around

586
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Speaker 1: the world like nobody cared. But it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of politics, and I think those those are I think

588
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: that's what you trade. You trade politics and posturing and

589
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: bureaucracy that comes with cash. When you're hungry and you're

590
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: on the jump and you're on the come up, it's

591
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: so satisfying because it's all new and it's all fulfilling.

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00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the old axiom. It's a truism. Actually, is

593
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: that in wartime comfort food sales skyrocket in America and

594
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: in peacetime bungee jumping, sky diving adventure sales go up. People, Right,

595
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: your problems are different, your fun is different, based on

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00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 2: your economic set. For the record, there is some argument

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00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: in America, I don't think the economy is great, but

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Speaker 2: I also don't think it's in a free fall. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if it was, then volume wouldn't be growing at the

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Speaker 2: rate it's growing. Your CEO of food fifty two, I

601
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: often mentioned that I get on planes, there's no empty seats,

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00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: and these are not rich people. I don't fly a

603
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Speaker 2: lot of private if at all. Hotels try to book them.

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00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: They're busy. You tell me, as a CEO of food

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: fifty two, how is your economy? What do you see?

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Speaker 1: I see that people are spending. You know, I think

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00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: there's angst. I think there's like low level angst. You

608
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: look at the housing market and the interest rates like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, the houses aren't moving, which is actually kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting for the food fifty two business because if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a new house, you don't need so

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Speaker 1: much stuff. You're not redecorating, you're not not setting new tables,

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So in my economy, that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting factor that I'm watching. But by and large,

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Speaker 1: people are spending. Americans are great consumers, and that you know.

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Speaker 1: Americans like things. They want new things, they want to entertain,

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Speaker 1: they want a T shirt, they want better cookwar like

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Speaker 1: the consumption. Americans like to buy things and to consume

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Speaker 1: and I think we'll always like that, you know.

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Speaker 2: One of the lessons we learned early, and it was

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Speaker 2: hard because we looked at Barstool and we watched The

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Speaker 2: Ringer and a lot of different companies. And one of

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Speaker 2: the things very early I said is there are things

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Speaker 2: Barstool does well, but we never will. I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: not into selling merch. If we could sell some hoodies,

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Speaker 2: but that's a merch company, I said, we're not, and

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Speaker 2: we fooled around with it and I said, guys, it's

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Speaker 2: just not what we do. There's things that I think

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Speaker 2: the writing arm of the Ringer, I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 2: have the passion for writing my bag. It's not my bag.

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Speaker 2: So but I love doing live stuff and YouTube stuff

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Speaker 2: and gambling stuff and that's what we did well. But

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Speaker 2: it's are there things somebody once gave me advice, double

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Speaker 2: down on stuff that works and bail immediately if something doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Don't fall in love with your ideas, fall in love

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Speaker 2: with people. Is there anything you did at Barstool that

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00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: just didn't work in you're life? Okay about instincts?

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00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, a thousand things. I think you're right, So you know,

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00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: barstool thinks in T shirts. That's how people signal they're

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00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: part of whatever brand. And what we did well was

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Speaker 1: we grew you know, grew ninety brands in my time there,

642
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Speaker 1: and you know, twenty of them were pretty successful. But

643
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Speaker 1: because we thought in T shirts, everybody thought in T shirts,

644
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Speaker 1: and we hilled T shirts the same way we you know,

645
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: pimped out podcasts. But there was a lot that we

646
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: failed on. One thing that we failed on was we

647
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: built this really stupid subscription product called Gold because at

648
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Speaker 1: the time, and this is also like I think a

649
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: cautionary of having an investor is you know, the Charning guys,

650
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: and I love the Charning guys, but they were like, hey,

651
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: at some point, somebody is going to need to buy you,

652
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: so you need to hustle up and figure out, like

653
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Speaker 1: who's that going to be. And until passovers repealed, it

654
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: always looked like it would be a media company. Now

655
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Speaker 1: it was very obviously not going to be a media company.

656
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: But media companies wanted subscribers, right Everyone's moving to the

657
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: race to subscribers and the race to streaming.

658
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: So wild the New York Times exactly.

659
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Speaker 1: So we built a subscription product, but the barstool guys

660
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: and girls are such you know, their whores for attention.

661
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: And I say that in the best way possible. The

662
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: idea of putting something only behind a paywall was it

663
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Speaker 1: was it was against the religion, and it was so stupid.

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Speaker 1: And we built great tech. We built, you know, a

665
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Speaker 1: seamless way to do it. Stooley's, to their credit, bought it.

666
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Speaker 1: But it was a really it was forced you know,

667
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Speaker 1: you know, you know when you feel like you're doing

668
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Speaker 1: something wrong and like your heart's not in and you know,

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Speaker 1: isn't working. That was one of those things. We launched

670
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Speaker 1: a grooming product called wood, which you know, I still

671
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: think was, you know, kind of an interesting concept. We

672
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Speaker 1: partnered with a company. We made a line of grooming products,

673
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Speaker 1: but there wasn't a talent or personality behind it, and

674
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Speaker 1: no one felt like it was their own, so it

675
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: became nobody's and it was a failure. So we had

676
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Speaker 1: things like that littered all over the barstool road.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. The paywall. I've been again kind

678
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: of reluctant to go there, but I have serious and

679
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: Netflix and Apple TV and Amazon Prime and I buy UFC.

680
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: Is it inevitable? I mean, is it just I say

681
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: to myself, I don't want to go behind a paywall,

682
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: but frankly, I'm behind eight of them. I pay for

683
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: eight of them, nine of them. Where are you on

684
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: the paywall?

685
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I I don't love a paywall either. Why

686
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: I get the paywall? I get it. My friend Barry

687
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: Weise created an amazing cted the Free Press created an

688
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: amazing paywall business, which is news, but it's not I

689
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: don't love it. I'm more interested in how many people

690
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: can you entertain or how many people could you talk to?

691
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: And the idea of only talking to a certain group

692
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Speaker 1: I think one I think is kind of problematic for

693
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Speaker 1: society where everybody's just in their own little echo chamber.

694
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Speaker 1: And two I think it's I think it's for me,

695
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: it's less interesting, and that probably is wrong from a

696
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Speaker 1: business perspective, but I I think broadcast is interesting.

697
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't like when the MLS went to

698
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: Apple because my takeaway is they lost casuals. Yeah, and

699
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: that what what happens is you only get a tribal following,

700
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: and I don't want just a tribal following. I like pushback,

701
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: I like I like I want to hear from my haters.

702
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: I want to I don't want to go and just

703
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Speaker 2: be comforted with all my opinions.

704
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: I like to know.

705
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: I say, my audience drives the bus. They tell me

706
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: where to go. I don't form my opinion on them,

707
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: but I picked my topics based on my audience what

708
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Speaker 2: they're interested in. And it's so I'm I am a

709
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: believer that if if when when MLS went to Apple TV,

710
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Speaker 2: now I still watch it because I have Apple TV

711
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: for a lot of things, the Patriots Dynasty, but that

712
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: that's an example where I think you lose casuals and

713
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Speaker 2: I like I like casuals. I want to there's there

714
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Speaker 2: was a chapter in this book you talked about know

715
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Speaker 2: what your company's paying you to do?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And I think it's the downfall of Belichick in New

718
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: England is that bill Ois said do your job, and

719
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Speaker 2: then he got successful and the rings and he started

720
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Speaker 2: doing the general manager's job and the coaching job. And

721
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Speaker 2: he's a lousy He's a lousy GM. And I want

722
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: to talk to talk about that know what your company

723
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Speaker 2: is paying.

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Speaker 1: You to do? Yeah? I think, Look, I say it

725
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: in the book, which is the stupidest person at your

726
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: company is the is the person who doesn't understand how

727
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: your company makes money. And that may sound harsh, but

728
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it's true. Like, if you do not understand

729
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: how your company makes money, who your company's customer is,

730
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: if your company is making money, then you really have

731
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: to be wondering, like what are you doing all day?

732
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Speaker 1: And the reason I think this is important is there's

733
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Speaker 1: people get really whiplashed with layoffs and reorbs and job

734
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: changes and retitling. And the reality is, if you don't

735
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Speaker 1: understand what your company is paying you to do in

736
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: the context of what your company does at large, you're

737
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: probably not on a great path. And it's, you know,

738
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Speaker 1: to the Belichick check example. You know, when people aren't

739
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: clear on what their job is or their ambition is

740
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: for two jobs, when they're really getting paid for one

741
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: and the second is more interesting, you put you make

742
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: yourself vulnerable. You know. Jeff Zucker always had this like

743
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: really great quote which is like, don't give your company

744
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: the gun that shoots you. And I always liked that.

745
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a great quote, which is, don't give

746
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: your company a gun to shoot you. And the you know,

747
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: beyond like a sex scandal or whatever, like, cause the

748
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: way your company is going to shoot you is if

749
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: you're not doing your job. And I think that's sometimes work.

750
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, you get lost in the Mondays and the

751
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Tuesdays and this and that and this project and that

752
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: deadline and whatever, and you lose of like why did

753
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: they hire you in the first place. And I think

754
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: it's just good to keep a firm hold on that. Yeah.

755
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: So when I started the volume, you know, it's like

756
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: Jerry Seinfeld used to joke about his show. He goes,

757
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: I'm the world's worst actor. That was my show Number one.

758
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: So I like business, but I didn't go to Pan

759
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: or Wharton, and I don't know business. But I only

760
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: had a couple of things that I was already strident on.

761
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: One of the things I would say to my people,

762
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: and I would say, let's not worry about being right.

763
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: Let's get it right. So I don't give a shit

764
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: about your ideas. If they work, great, If they don't,

765
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: they're done. Yeah, Just I don't keep score. Yeah, And

766
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: I said, let's find what works. Do that. Yeah, be loyal.

767
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 2: Don't be loyal to your idea. Now it sounds smart,

768
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: but give me an example. What is the line on bailing.

769
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: Have you ever had an idea that you're absolutely sure

770
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: works and you stay with it too long?

771
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean so much. I had a startup

772
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: before Barstool that was a brilliant idea. It was a

773
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: social network for Justin Bieber and forty other music artists.

774
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: It was it was going to compete with Facebook and

775
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, Instagram and Google, and it was. It was

776
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: a good idea. It did not work. And you can

777
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: only put your head in the sands so long, where

778
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: you're like, this isn't working. I worked for another startup

779
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: in the fashion space, really interesting concept which was Hey

780
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Vogue and the idea of one editor in chief and

781
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: one way of saying fashion is it's dead. It's going

782
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: to be very democratized. The company was pre social, so

783
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: it like never had any distribution. It didn't work, So

784
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: I stayed in a lot of things. I think too long.

785
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I think what's hard? Is?

786
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: It?

787
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Kind of manifests in two ways. You either put your

788
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: head in the sand and you're like, I don't want

789
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: to know, I don't want to see, I don't want

790
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: to know. I love you know, I love my idea,

791
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: I love this, I love the image of this thing

792
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: or the second is like everybody plays like sixth grade

793
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: soccer or fourth grade soccer, where like everybody's glomed onto

794
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: the ball and it's such a pack that like you

795
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know who's kicking it, you don't know who's receiving it.

796
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: You can't tell who's good or not. And I think

797
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: that happens a lot, which masks both success and failure.

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Speaker 2: All Right, the book is nobody cares about your career Erica.

799
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Speaker 2: You know how highly I think of you, and you

800
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Speaker 2: did not have to spend thirty minutes of your day.

801
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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to.

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Speaker 2: Uh for the record, and I'm not flirting because I'm

803
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: happily married. But you have the best hair of anybody

804
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: I've ever interviewed in my entire life.

805
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Speaker 1: It's so dirty. I'm like, this should have like judged

806
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: up for you.

807
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: Now you're a rock star. Hey, thanks for doing this

808
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: a thousand times over. Well, I have to talk about Trump.

809
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: I've said this for a long time. I've always considered

810
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: myself sort of a left leaning independent. I'm kind of

811
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Speaker 2: a conservative on fiscal issues, more of a probably liberal.

812
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think pro gay marriage is liberal.

813
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't think pro pot is liberal. I think those

814
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: are moderate stances today. But I was in, you know,

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00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: supportive of those twenty five years ago. So I kind

816
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: of consider myself a moderate that if I am up

817
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: in the air on something fiscally, i'd go conservative. Socially

818
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: i'd go left. But you know, I've said this about

819
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: Trump before. He's trying to sell me in America that

820
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: doesn't exist. Like I'm sixty, I don't remember anything before

821
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: like six or seven years old. But for the last

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Speaker 2: fifty three years of my life, outside of the pandemic year,

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Speaker 2: I've loved America. I've lived everywhere Tampa, Vegas. I've been

824
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Speaker 2: kind of poor, middle class. Now I'm better off than most.

825
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: But he's trying to sell me this America stinks, and

826
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Speaker 2: I just don't see it. I live in a nice

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Speaker 2: neighborhood in LA. It's not a Top six or seven

828
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Speaker 2: neighborhood in LA. It's not a Beverly Hills of Malibu,

829
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Speaker 2: of Brentwood, of bel Air Hancock Park. It's not like

830
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Speaker 2: one of those swanky neighborhoods. But I don't see crime.

831
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Speaker 2: I'm not stumbling over homeless people. I see happy people.

832
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Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium's full leads Major League Baseball and attendance. Laker

833
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: games are full, NFL games are full. People they have

834
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Speaker 2: money in their pocket. Lax is packed. I just saw

835
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Speaker 2: a record airline revenue over the weekend. I'm constantly being

836
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Speaker 2: sold in America by Donald Trump crime rates or skyrocketing. No,

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Speaker 2: they're actually not. Starting In twenty twenty three, they have

838
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Speaker 2: plummeted coast to coast over two hundred cities. Violent crime

839
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Speaker 2: rates are down. I mean Los Angeles and some cities

840
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: may tick up in certain areas, but it's in America

841
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Speaker 2: he's selling me. It would be like watching your football

842
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 2: team and they play well and win, and your neighbor

843
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: says they're playing terribly and keep losing. No, they're winning

844
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Speaker 2: and they're not playing terribly. Like, you can't keep selling

845
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Speaker 2: me on how bad the country I live in is,

846
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Speaker 2: because it's not bad for me or my friends. I

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Speaker 2: have a friend that's a stay at home dad. He's

848
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: not rich. I have friends who work part time, starting

849
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: up businesses, who have worked at the same place forever.

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Speaker 2: I have middle class friends. They're not complaining about their

851
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: life constantly, and there I don't know what they are politically.

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Speaker 2: I really don't don't. I don't talk about politics with

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Speaker 2: my friends. I talk about my wife, I talk about sports,

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Speaker 2: I talk about you know, we talk about guy stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm not somebody that is. If you don't have policies

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Speaker 2: that I connect with, and you're always grouching and bitching

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Speaker 2: about the other side, I'm not really interested in you.

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Speaker 2: You know. Trump once tried to sell a vodka and

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Speaker 2: acknowledges he never drank. Ever, he's never really drank alcohol,

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Speaker 2: but he tried to sell a vodka. So I've thought

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Speaker 2: for a long time he's just kind of a con artist.

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Speaker 2: But I was sitting there thinking this morning that if

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Speaker 2: let's say I got busted for some really bad crime

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Speaker 2: in court, a drug crime, and my wife did too

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Speaker 2: in a separate case, and then so did one of

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Speaker 2: my kids, my manager, my agent, and my attorney, it

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Speaker 2: would be reasonable to conclude that I'm shady and involved

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Speaker 2: in a business that's not terribly legal. Well, Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is now a felon. His campaign chairman was a felon.

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Speaker 2: So is his deputy campaign manager, his personal lawyers, chief strategist,

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Speaker 2: his national security advisor, his trade advisor, his foreign policy advisor,

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Speaker 2: his campaign fix and his company CFO. They're all felons,

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Speaker 2: judged by the company you keep. It's a cabal of convicts.

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Speaker 2: It's not that I'm not willing to vote for conservatives.

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Speaker 2: I said I would have voted for Mitt Romney. Seemed

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Speaker 2: like a decent family man. Now he looks like he's

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Speaker 2: the publisher of Yachting Weekly, so he's not terribly relatable.

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Speaker 2: Is a big money guy. But I'm not somebody that

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Speaker 2: I liked the second bush Bush senior son. I liked him.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was a decent American, a decent human.

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Speaker 2: I guess he's got some artistic qualities. Now he paints

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Speaker 2: a lot. I liked his wife, Laura Bush. I thought

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Speaker 2: they were decent people. I liked the Obamas. I didn't

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Speaker 2: understand the outrage. Good family. Seemed like nice people. But

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Speaker 2: if everybody in your social circle is a felon, I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's rigged. I don't think the world's against you.

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Speaker 2: And to get people who agree on anything, thirty four counts.

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Speaker 2: Oh for thirty four, I mean that's a that's a

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Speaker 2: batting slump. Even the New York Mets could be impressed

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Speaker 2: with oh for thirty four, so when you're constantly trying

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Speaker 2: to sell me on an America that I don't see.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying inflation is not an issue. But I

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Speaker 2: get on airplanes all the time, and it's not a

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Speaker 2: bunch of rich people. I don't fly private. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: tell you the last time I fly private. Maybe every

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Speaker 2: couple of years. It'll be a family thing. We're trying

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Speaker 2: to get everybody in the same flight, but not very often.

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Speaker 2: I don't live in a fancy neighborhood. I get on planes.

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Speaker 2: There's people in normal clothes, don't look rich to me,

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Speaker 2: and the planes are all full, and the hotels are

901
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: all full, and the freeways were all full. That means

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Speaker 2: people are going to work. You're trying to sell me

903
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Speaker 2: on this story, in this narrative that's just not true. Well, Colin,

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Speaker 2: you're out of touch, out of touch to what I have.

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Speaker 2: Single people that live next to me, young families that

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Speaker 2: live next to me. People aren't grousing, they're not miserable

907
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: all day now, they're not talking politics. But you know,

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Speaker 2: Trump's entire game plan is the country isn't a free fall.

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Speaker 2: Maybe in the Trump centric neighborhoods it is. It's not anywhere.

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Speaker 2: For my sister, who lives rurally, doesn't have a lot

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Speaker 2: of crime in her neighborhood. I don't my friends don't.

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Speaker 2: We live all over Los Angeles, in one of those

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Speaker 2: big scary cities that voted for liberals. Oh scary. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Everybody was saying, hung jury.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: But when everybody in your team, everybody in your group,

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Speaker 2: your cabal is a felon, maybe maybe the world's not

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Speaker 2: against you. I mean, it is New York City. It

919
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Speaker 2: is New York City. I get it. They're gonna have peel.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it'll drive up his fundraising. But stop trying to

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Speaker 2: sell me on. Everything's rigged. The country's falling into the sea.

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Speaker 2: The economy's terrible. The economy's okay, it's not like on fire.

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Speaker 2: But get on a plane. Find all the empty seats.

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Speaker 2: I don't see them. Those aren't cheap either. A hotel

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Speaker 2: rooms over Memorial Weekend. I like living in Portland. I

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Speaker 2: like growing up on the coast of Washington. I like

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Speaker 2: living in la I have a place in Chicago. I

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Speaker 2: love it. I have really good friends and go regularly

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Speaker 2: to Rhode Island. I love that. Maybe maybe some of

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Speaker 2: you are just unhappy. Maybe you're only happy when you're unhappy.

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Speaker 2: But the America that I live in is imperfect. But

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Speaker 2: compared to the rest of the world, I think we're

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Speaker 2: doing okay. And if you're not, is it possible, just possible.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even saying probable. Is it possible if your

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Speaker 2: life has just been miserable for the last four years,

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Speaker 2: it's not exclusively the fault of somebody in sixteen hundred

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania Avenue. Maybe it's not all their fault the volume.

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