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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. West Huuler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours on a Tuesday, And as always,

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Speaker 2: we have got plenty to get to. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: our Tuesday rewind some final thoughts and additional observations from

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Speaker 2: the Steelers twenty five. A part of me the Chargers

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Speaker 2: twenty five the Steelers ten.

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Speaker 3: Was that the final score. Did I just mess that up? No?

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Speaker 3: That was the final twenty five to ten. We will

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Speaker 3: do our Fantasy Football Focus today.

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Speaker 4: I would get it wrong all the time, Like the

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Speaker 4: day after. I never remember the score. I just did

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Speaker 4: know the feeling.

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Speaker 3: And I usually have the rock score up the day

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Speaker 3: after just to make sure I don't mess it up.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday rewind Fantasy Football Focus, power rankings, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to Chris Adanski here in about ten

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Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes, get all the latest from the South

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Speaker 2: Side from him. But Matt, where we start, as always,

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin his weekly Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Press conference, and.

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Speaker 2: Obviously there's there's a weekly ebb and flow to his

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Speaker 2: press conference. He talks about the previous game, updates on

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Speaker 2: any injuries, and then previews the upcome for the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: and he highlighted three areas that he felt were key

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Speaker 2: in the Steelers loss to the Chargers. Matt the first

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Speaker 2: repeated failure on offense on third downs coupled with a

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Speaker 2: lack of splash to overcome it.

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Speaker 4: So Tuesday morning is Matt stats. Yes, it is. The

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Speaker 4: bulk of it. I would say sixty percent of it

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Speaker 4: happens between when I wake up up from when I

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Speaker 4: in the morning, and then I'll do a bunch of

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Speaker 4: night too. But over the last three games, they are

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Speaker 4: miserable on third downs. If you combine the three games,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's really really poor. I mean it's like

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Speaker 4: it's fourteen percent or something like that, and accenuated by

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Speaker 4: this past week obviously, right, I mean, that's we're gonna

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back to time possession over and over

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Speaker 4: and over and over. And that's just one more you know,

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Speaker 4: cause of the symptoms, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is no doubt nine games in now, Like

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Speaker 2: I was talking about this with Jerry Dulac when we

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Speaker 2: were doing the Tomlin Recap show, the Press Conference recap show.

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Speaker 2: Nine games in now, like these are even more than trends.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, these are what you are. It is what

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Speaker 2: you are. And you are a team that has been

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Speaker 2: out snapped in all nine games. You're a team that

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Speaker 2: has been out possessed an eight of nine games. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is the boogeyman in the room right now.

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Speaker 4: The battles isn't who you are. There's the Borough era,

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Speaker 4: there's a Brownie where there's the Flacco era. You know,

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Speaker 4: like last year I broke the Steeler season into three eras.

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Speaker 4: After I was done, there was justin fields good d Russ,

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Speaker 4: you know, and it was real distinct then like EPA

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Speaker 4: was drastically different on all those lines. Steelers are though,

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Speaker 4: this is who you are. Yes, yeah, I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is who you are. And of course you get better

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Speaker 4: and worse, but this is who you are. These are

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Speaker 4: not just like oh that was kind of a flash

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Speaker 4: defense or you know, you know, this is what you are.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely second thing was losing the time of possession battle,

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Speaker 2: creating limited chances for Jalen Warren and the defense wearing

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Speaker 2: down over the course of the game. This is Matt

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Speaker 2: once again going to the doctor and rattling off all

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Speaker 2: your symptoms. Yeah, and it's all related to the same

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Speaker 4: Can you tell me those again? The Warren one.

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Speaker 2: Creating limited chance, so losing the time of possession battle

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Speaker 2: that created limited chances for Jalen Warren and also wore

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no question again. It so much of it can

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Speaker 4: just be umbulled with time and possession, you know. I

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Speaker 4: mean that is to me, is the huge thing. But

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Speaker 4: these are the next step down of why you're losing

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Speaker 4: time and possession. So let's start with Warren. Tim Ben's

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Speaker 4: texted me this morning and asked some of the people

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Speaker 4: it true that Jalen Warren didn't play.

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Speaker 3: Oracle football here in Western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: Susday morning, I'm doing mat status. Let me alone. But

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Speaker 4: he asked, he is is it true that Jalen Warren

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Speaker 4: didn't play one snap on third down? And I think

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Speaker 4: he's correct. I try. I think I saw that yesterday

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Speaker 4: I couldn't one hundred percent verify for him, and I

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Speaker 4: But I'm not cool with that. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 4: Gainwell out snapped him in the game, and they got

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Speaker 4: of or away from Warren in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 4: I can't even write a scenario why Gainwell should have

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Speaker 4: more snaps than Warren if everybody's healthy. Yes, because it's

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Speaker 4: not like he's a bad third down back either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, he's the only scenario that should

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Speaker 2: happen is when you were in Dublin and you had

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Speaker 4: Of course, you know, right then you hand it to

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Speaker 4: the guy, you know, to the number two. But another

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Speaker 4: thing I dug up this morning too, yards per route run.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously just a receiving stat. Warren's third amongst

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Speaker 4: all running backs in the league, and every year he's

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Speaker 4: top five. He's let's not forget that, he's an awesome

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Speaker 4: get into a hurry up, third down, throw throw throw mode.

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Speaker 4: I'm fine mixing in gainwell then, but not outstapping Warren.

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Speaker 3: Jagewell should have a role in that regard because he's

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Speaker 4: Too, exactly. That's what all he can, that's all he does.

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Speaker 4: But not one or the other. Right now, if some

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Speaker 4: of that is the game is out of reach, we

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Speaker 4: want to save Warren. That garbage signs different, that's totally different.

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Speaker 4: But him not playing on third downs or him not

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Speaker 4: getting enough in the passing game worries me. And the

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Speaker 4: other thing is another thing I just stug up this morning.

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Speaker 4: Over the last three games, the Steelers are at the

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Speaker 4: top of the league. I'm not sure where exactly they rank,

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Speaker 4: but it's about two thirds of their snaps or passes.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot.

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Speaker 4: They're tenth, and so Cincinnati's number one in terms of

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Speaker 4: run pass ratio and it's by a bunch, makes sense.

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Speaker 4: And then it's some bad teams like the Titans that

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Speaker 4: are always losing, you know, but the Steelers are tenth.

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Speaker 4: That's not how they want to play. That's for the season.

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Speaker 4: And then the football database site that I go to

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Speaker 4: also says your last three so they're also like ten

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Speaker 2: Which again is a signess when you consider the first

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Speaker 2: of those third games was the Green Bay Packers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: where they had eighty one rush yards after thirty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Eighty one yards at.

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Speaker 4: The half, right, right, right, that's a great point, right,

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Speaker 4: and then the second half you just didn't.

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Speaker 3: Just three carries in the second half.

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Speaker 4: Right. So again, all of this is under the time

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Speaker 4: of possession umbrella. But if you throw like crazy, you're

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Speaker 4: gonna have bad time possession. Oh, by the way, the

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Speaker 4: Bengals are terrible in time of possession. I think they're

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Speaker 4: the only team worse off the top of my head,

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Speaker 4: because they throw like crazy and their defense is terrible,

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Speaker 4: you know. So there are ways to help, I mean

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Speaker 4: better on third downs, you know. Maybe Warren should be

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Speaker 4: out there more than gain well in every game of course,

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Speaker 4: less passing. I tell you what, the running game was

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Speaker 4: getting better.

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Speaker 3: More on that.

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Speaker 2: I want to expand on that at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the hour when we do our Tuesday rewind, because.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I have some stuff on that too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I want to get more into that.

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Speaker 4: I want to dig more into what Tomlins said.

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Speaker 3: Correct, correct, but say bookmark that one for about twenty

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Speaker 3: thirty minutes from now.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll talk about it all week. It's really relevant

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Speaker 4: against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Third thing from Mike Toman was just quite simply, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure everyone agrees with this one, expected this one. When

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Speaker 2: you lose a turnover battle three to nothing, you're not

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Speaker 2: putting yourself in a position to succeed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, history is really obvious with the Steelers in turnover.

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Speaker 2: Battle, absolutely, especially recent History. Also said that you know,

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Speaker 2: he did appreciate another stable performance from Jalen Ramsey and

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Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar. Sounds like Jalen Ramsey's gonna stay there. And again,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they have a ton of options

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Speaker 2: at this point in that regard Matt because they're so

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Speaker 2: banged up now at cornerback.

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Speaker 2: And with that, here's what we here's what we were

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Speaker 2: updated on. With injuries, Cole Holcomb and Jabrol Peppers limited

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Speaker 2: Holcomb will finally be back in the mix after dealing

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Speaker 2: with that illness.

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Speaker 4: This could be rewind stuff too, but I'm about done

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Speaker 4: with Harrison as that was a cute four to three

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you mentioned that. My might all right teaser.

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Speaker 2: My two Tuesday rewind observations were centered around the run

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Speaker 2: game and Peyton Wilson. Really, okay, we'll get there about good,

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Speaker 2: we'll get theirreed about twenty thirty minutes. Optimistic about Isaac

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Speaker 2: Samalu being able to return this week, which is massive.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the most important of all of these, right.

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Speaker 2: Scotty Miller finally cleared to practice with that broken finger,

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Speaker 2: so after missing two weeks of practice, he'll return to

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Speaker 2: practice this week. Darius Slay's still in the concussion protocol.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Slay was the one I was worried about.

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Speaker 2: So sounds like good news for Isaac Samalu, optimistic news

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Speaker 2: for say Malou.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not so great with Sleigh.

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Speaker 4: In today's NFL rarely are you back anymore the week

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Speaker 4: after a concussion. It's just the percentages are way down

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Speaker 4: than they were five, ten years ago, even two three

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Speaker 3: Which is probably a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, on the whole, right, right right, I'm sure you

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Speaker 4: can still yer concussion protocol in a week. But it

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Speaker 4: happens for whatever reason, much less now than it used to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it does, Yes it does. And I think

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Speaker 2: there's rhyme to that reason. It's something that we're more

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Speaker 2: in tune to and uh and noticing. But yes, certainly

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Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on. That's kind of the

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Speaker 2: latest injury update there.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, this will also be a Tuesday Rerune type

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Speaker 4: of thing too, just I don't want to forget two

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Speaker 4: games in a row now that Pierre got thrown thrown

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Speaker 4: in the action and I thought he played well.

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Speaker 3: Tom we talked about that as well, so that he

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Speaker 3: was that they were never gets.

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Speaker 4: Conference before we sit down. Yes, I learned with everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I think that there's some some quiet confidence that he's

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Speaker 2: going to be all right amongst that group. He also

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Speaker 2: mentioned they have released one Thornhill and brought back undrafted

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Speaker 3: Buzz.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for taking the time as always, and uh,

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Speaker 2: They they have issues, and they are many, as tounchyok,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, obviously a lot of those things can contribute.

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Speaker 5: Both on that one, and then even the play that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you said not a lot of for third down here?

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Speaker 5: he's been with the way the safety has been stabilized

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Speaker 5: with Douger and uh with Doug and Ramsey back there

436
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Speaker 5: by the way, if ponne Hills catching strays, I feel

437
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Speaker 5: like all all press conference he said something, we've really

438
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Speaker 5: struggled Locky in that area. He said it'll be there.

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Speaker 5: And then later on I asked about the the transaction

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Speaker 5: on Monday the year reference yesterday that you mentioned. He

441
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Speaker 5: said Porne Hills play was not off the snuff, So yeah,

442
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Speaker 5: there was a lot of uh activity. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

443
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Speaker 5: But but it's but and then the other aspect of

444
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Speaker 5: that is in terms of keeping Ramsey at safety, is

445
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 5: he tom and gushed about James Pierre. He went on

446
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Speaker 5: with a real long answer talking about how much he

447
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 5: likes James Pierre. We know Danny Smith loves James Pierre

448
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Speaker 5: on the special teams unit. So yeah, now that all

449
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Speaker 5: being said, we'll see what's going on with Slays this week.

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Speaker 5: And then a concussion. I guess you don't know, especially

451
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Speaker 5: we sit here on Tuesday. But Cincinnati, especially judging by

452
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Speaker 5: what happened only what it was that twenty twenty six

453
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Speaker 5: days ago, it's not exactly the best matchup at all

454
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Speaker 5: to be tinkering with your you know, or or not

455
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Speaker 5: breaking in. It's not like Pierres a rookie or something.

456
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Speaker 5: But putting a new starter out there at outside corner

457
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Speaker 5: with one of one of them is gonna have to

458
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Speaker 5: be on Jamar chase of that game. And you know

459
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Speaker 5: another one of of course, I T Higgins. So that's

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Speaker 5: that's something to watch this week at least. But yeah,

461
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Speaker 5: it certainly seems like they weren't gonna do it, but

462
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Speaker 5: this way if slays not if Slay is out or

463
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Speaker 5: it looks like Stay might certainly looks like Stay might

464
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Speaker 5: be out if they're keeping a Ramsey at safety. Now

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Speaker 5: at this point, you know, seems like, you know, I

466
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Speaker 5: never know what happens with injury and whatever else might happen.

467
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: It seems like that's going to be the permanent move

468
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Speaker 5: now the rest of the season. Chris A.

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Speaker 2: Damski with us here on the drive, Uh buzz. Maybe

470
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Speaker 2: a little pessimistic on Darius Slay's potential availability for Sunday,

471
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Speaker 2: but sounding like better news for Isaac Saamalu.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that that sounded like, you know, I kind of

473
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Speaker 5: got the impression last week that it might be one

474
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Speaker 5: of those things like, you know what he's keep Remember

475
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Speaker 5: he played two games in a row and left in

476
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Speaker 5: the fourth quarter and then he did badly practice in

477
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Speaker 5: the middle. I think that was their templay. Okay, let's

478
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Speaker 5: keep him off is well, it's not his feep, you know,

479
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Speaker 5: keep you know, don't put any uh you know, it's pectorial.

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Speaker 5: So but you know what I'm saying. Okay, what's keep

481
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Speaker 5: with limiting his damage is limiting his reps. So we

482
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Speaker 5: keep him healthy, and then he misses another we have

483
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Speaker 5: to leave another game. I think the idea was lasting.

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Speaker 5: You know what, what's just shut him down for a week,

485
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Speaker 5: which just rep all week with mentor Anderson and Pete

486
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Speaker 5: and let's go out and play a game and then

487
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Speaker 5: we'll get him back next week and run this back again.

488
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Speaker 5: And the way he talked this week, I want to

489
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Speaker 5: use the word optimistic. I think about it. And he'll

490
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Speaker 5: return to practice for almost certainly, and well, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure we'll be limited probably on Wednesday. But he

492
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Speaker 5: did one limit of practice all uh two weeks ago

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Speaker 5: the whole week, two d nps and one limited, so

494
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Speaker 5: he's enough of a veteran he's a need all the

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Speaker 5: practice time. But yeah, I would say it looks at

496
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Speaker 5: this point for sure that's trending up to get to

497
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Speaker 5: say I'm all the bactic on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Also looks like there's a good chance Cole Holcombe is back.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that's probably the end of Malie Harrison's

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Speaker 4: defensive snaps?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I'm probably more polish on Harrison

502
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Speaker 5: than than most are a lot of people, I mean

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Speaker 5: all the people. The matter of course will be you know,

504
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Speaker 5: Tara Lustin and Mike Thumbin and what they do there.

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Speaker 5: That'll be interesting to see, if you know, they need

506
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Speaker 5: a week to get and hold him. They're worried about.

507
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Speaker 5: Although he's not gonna play every snap anyway, he probably

508
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Speaker 5: gonna play a dozen or so, probably in his role

509
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Speaker 5: or as it is so, and I guess the matchup

510
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Speaker 5: against the Bengals doesn't exactly scream Malik Harrison deployment either,

511
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Speaker 5: so you have that going for you. I was surprised

512
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Speaker 5: that Peyton Wilson, what do you play a boy? Sixty

513
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 5: of the snaps against the Chargers. I thought you were

514
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Speaker 5: kind of attending about to the point where he was

515
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Speaker 5: going to be in every down. Guy. I thought they might,

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Speaker 5: especially if the game he had against the Colts, that

517
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Speaker 5: it might be him and Queen out there, you know,

518
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Speaker 5: if not one hundred percent from Wilson elite, you know,

519
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Speaker 5: up there in ninety percent range. And he played a

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Speaker 5: lot less than I thought. Maybe I thought maybe he

521
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Speaker 5: had got to that level, and so I think they'll

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Speaker 5: probably see what whatever the illness was had him out

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Speaker 5: of the conditioning here for a week. But you're right

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Speaker 5: and more talk it through and think about it, especially

525
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Speaker 5: the Bengals the mashup. It's it's not the it's not

526
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Speaker 5: the run thumping team that that Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Was brought in for.

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Speaker 3: Really buzz.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Bengals, last one I've got for you,

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Speaker 2: how do you expect things to go against Joe Flacco

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Speaker 2: and Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, I mean, Jamar Chase

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Speaker 2: and t Higgins.

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Speaker 3: Uh this this this time around at Acrocure Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Think they're gonna make some kind of adjustment, right, not

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Speaker 4: gonna just run back the same game plan. Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I mean you obviously have an adjustment. You

537
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Speaker 5: have two different safeties, two new safeties or two players

538
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Speaker 5: you know, certainly a new player overall. So I'm sure

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Speaker 5: that's what they're hoping. And I agree with Tomlin that

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Speaker 5: it's that has been their best safety play they've gotten.

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Speaker 5: I do kind of wonder again if it's it's Pierre

542
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Speaker 5: is going to be I'm sure they won't won't be

543
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Speaker 5: playing press man. They won't be, you know, playing that

544
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Speaker 5: against them, and they got to make some adjustment and

545
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Speaker 5: it's wild like Chase has more unless it changed this week.

546
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Speaker 5: Leading into the last week, Chase has more targets than

547
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Speaker 5: the entire Steelers wide receiver corps has.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Blows my mouth in terms of in terms of that's

550
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Speaker 6: a stat right, I think he has fifty five targets

551
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Speaker 6: since Flacco showed up, which is only three games.

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Speaker 5: Wow. That Yeah, that's crazy that neighborhood. Well, like I said,

553
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Speaker 5: we know what we like. I said, we all saw

554
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Speaker 5: this movie just three weeks, so I certainly I don't know.

555
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 5: I don't want to give away you guys assume you

556
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Speaker 5: make score predictions, but I'm assume it's not going to

557
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 5: be the old sixteen thirteen. Probably, Yeah, I think I

558
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 5: think pretty much Steelers regardless of every game the Bengals play,

559
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 5: ends up being what forty five to forty three or whatever.

560
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Speaker 5: So it'll maybe it'll be fun to watch on Sunday

561
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Speaker 5: at least everybody for sure.

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Speaker 2: Could be another track meet, certainly, and hopefully we'll see

563
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers shake off some of that that rust or

564
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Speaker 2: those cobwebs that we've seen over the last couple of

565
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Speaker 2: weeks against a Bengals defense that is always ripe for

566
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Speaker 2: the picking Chris Danski. Make sure you're checking out his

567
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Speaker 2: work in the trip of course listening to him and

568
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Speaker 2: our guy Tom at noon on the Steelers Blitz on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: Buzz, thanks for the time as always, man, and we'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you soon.

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Speaker 5: Aw was a pleasure, guys, talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Then there he.

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Speaker 2: Goes the second most famous Mars grad on the Steelers

575
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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

576
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Speaker 4: How about it?

577
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Speaker 2: Tom, also the second most famous Libo grat the Steelers

578
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Speaker 2: Audio Network.

579
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Speaker 4: Kind of funny that that combiny is in two different shows.

580
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Speaker 3: It is hilarious.

581
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 4: That's pretty good.

582
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Speaker 2: That needs to be a new Every show on the

583
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network needs to at least have a Lebo

584
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Speaker 2: grad or a Mars grad for from now until perpetuity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell you what, man, it maybe having different

586
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 4: safety situations, maybe yeah, maybe it's it's better than it was.

587
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: But I'm already I'm already a little worried about it.

588
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: You're already a little worried about it.

589
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: I think Chase is going to get a lot of targets.

590
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, Paul Skeens is going to throw

591
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and two mile an hour fastballs.

592
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Speaker 3: You know it's coming, but that doesn't make it any

593
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: easier to deal with, right, Yeah.

594
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly. Sometimes these guys are that good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely don't think there's any chance that Joe Burrow is

597
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: gonna play, but that's obviously something will continue to think.

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: He said this morning he's shooting for Thanksgiving.

599
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: Is oh, so that would have him out two more.

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Speaker 4: This is windows just opened yesterday, so yeah, I mean

601
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Speaker 4: it doesn't sound like there's any chance this week.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so certainly something will keep an eye on the

603
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Speaker 2: injury reports, of course as we roll along later in

604
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Speaker 2: the weeks. But when we return hit is time for

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Speaker 2: the Tuesday rewind. We've got observations and they are not

606
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Speaker 2: pretty for.

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Speaker 4: The most part. I mean, it wasn't a pretty game.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a pretty game. It makes it hard to

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Speaker 3: have pretty automot making sure.

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Speaker 4: You though, Pierre was better than people think, and yeah,

611
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: safeties are better than people think. We've already covered that

612
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Speaker 4: stuff though, I mean, there were some good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do some Tuesday rewhy when we come back

614
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Speaker 2: on the other side, we'll kind of final thoughts and

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Speaker 2: observations from Chargers twenty five Steelers ten before we start

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Speaker 2: to turn.

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Speaker 3: The page and look ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, Shuler, Matt Williamson, it does the drive on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your.

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Speaker 1: Tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven home

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Speaker 1: of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Bottom half of our number one on a Tuesday, and

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Speaker 2: that means something around here. Of course, it is time

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Speaker 2: for our Tuesday rewind. It's a simple concept. Monday nights,

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: Matt and I go back and rewatch the Steelers previous game.

626
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Speaker 2: We share additional observations and thoughts that we didn't get

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Speaker 2: to on kind of Mondays. Just download instant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, shoot, marinate a little bit too exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of simmer and Marinate and I made some excellent

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Speaker 3: corn showder last night. Man. Yeah, little little bacon shudder, cheese.

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Speaker 3: It's soup season. You a soup guy.

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Speaker 4: Oh, big soup guy, big super Steelers soup. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you that I still have? It was

634
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Speaker 2: from Sports Illustrated for Kids. You remember Sports Illustrated for Kids. Yeah,

635
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: that was like my jam when I was.

636
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Speaker 3: A kid, Like that was like my grandparents. That was

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Speaker 3: part of my Christmas gift every year is they renew

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Speaker 3: my subscriptions.

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Speaker 2: Illustrated for Kids. John Elway's Hamburger soup is in there. Wow,

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00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: it's delightful. I still have it in our little recipe book.

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00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to make that at some point. That's

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Speaker 2: before before the season is over. But yeah, it is

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Speaker 2: soup season and I'm excited about that. But it is Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Rewind here today, Matt Weach have a couple that we

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Speaker 3: want to get to. Do you want to start? Do

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Speaker 3: you want to jump into the because we've kind of

648
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Speaker 3: teased it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You want to jump into the Peyton Wilson and the

650
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Speaker 2: Malik Harrison And yeah, I just my observation was just

651
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Speaker 2: they were taking Peyton Wilson off the field too much.

652
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: I think that's true.

653
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: I think he's been one of the brighter spots of

654
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: the defense this season, and I understand it worked in

655
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: a way against the Colts. Don't get me wrong, but

656
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: I just I don't sixty percent of the snaps whatever

657
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: it was that he was on the field. I want

658
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson closer to ninety percent of the snaps on

659
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: the field. I don't want him on the sideline that often.

660
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: So.

661
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: I agree. Now I'm gonna counter it a little. I'm

662
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 4: sure their logic is he's just not a big time

663
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: take on run defender.

664
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: Old school.

665
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: Style, right right, right, you know, I mean he's a

666
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: run and hit guy more than a take on old

667
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: school dude. However, that's what the whole position is around

668
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: the league, now, I mean, and I understand stopping the

669
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: runs important, and he's not a bad run defender. He's

670
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: defends it differently than Harrison or whomever, which obviously he's

671
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: not type right. He's got a strange body type, to

672
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 4: be honest with you. He's got a high waist, he's

673
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: got short arms, he's six three or six four or whatever.

674
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: Doesn't look like both linebackers, No, he doesn't. Now, I

675
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: only think of this, so pull back curtain and I

676
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: do Matt stats. The Special Teams bullets are the hardest

677
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 4: ones that come up with because there's not that much

678
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: to talk about new week the week in the Special

679
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: teams world.

680
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: And usually I have like two Boz finally missed one,

681
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 3: Right's right?

682
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: I mean? Then I usually have like two or three

683
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: or maybe four bullet points, depending if I can find

684
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 4: something interesting. Sometimes only one. But when I'm struggling, and

685
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't come up with much For the Bengals. I

686
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: go back at every periodically and I just go, these

687
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: are the Steelers special teams snap leaders. He's near the top.

688
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: People don't think about that. It's a good point. It

689
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: takes a lot out of your body. I mean those

690
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: are big collisions and a.

691
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Lot of sprint. You know, your yeah, forty sixty yards downfield.

692
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: So if you just covered a punt or a kickoff,

693
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: do you really want to cover Christian McCaffrey out of

694
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: the backfield and that's play? Yeah, right, right right, So

695
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's a factor. I also think that

696
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: this is just a hunch, but I do think since

697
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: the Killer Brew injury and this Castro move and sermon

698
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: and these guys being elevated, I think they're trying to

699
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: figure out their special team snaps a little bit more totally.

700
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: So maybe they'll take some away from Wilson because they're

701
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: playing defense.

702
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: That's right, yeah, process by you.

703
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if that's in the mix, because I mean,

704
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: that's the kind of if people don't think about, but

705
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: organizations do. So yeah, I'm on board with that. I

706
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: think he's one of their best eleven defensive players clearly,

707
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: if not their top six or seven.

708
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: You know, right, Yeah, I think he might even be

709
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: in the top half of that of that best eleven.

710
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: I would even be open to making him the green

711
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 4: dot never leave the field player. And I think Queen

712
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: gets too much of a bum wrap around here for

713
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: whatever reason, because they signed him from outside the organization.

714
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: People are hard on big frigates their money, that it's

715
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: their money. Yeah, but I would be open to the

716
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: idea of Wilson also being the green dot never leave

717
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: the field guy and Queen plays seventy. Yeah, that could

718
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 4: happen next year or or soon. I don't know.

719
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: I certainly think it's a possibility. I think he's been

720
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: one of the bright spots on that defense this season. Yeah,

721
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: but your special team's point is well taken. He can't

722
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: play every defensive snap and then run down a bunch

723
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: of kickoffs and a handful of defense special team snaps.

724
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: You do have to give him some blow in some

725
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: type of way you want to stick on the defensive side.

726
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: You mentioned you had some James Pierre thoughts.

727
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know much else other than I think

728
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: he's playing the best football of his career. And I'm

729
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: glad that Tomlin mentioned it that I'm not crazy, you

730
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: know that watching his tape, it's better than it's ever been.

731
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 4: I think they trust him more on defense, more than

732
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 4: they ever did. I don't think he's challenging slagh for

733
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 4: a job, but I think they're closer to people think. Yes,

734
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: I mean, wheneverybody's healthy.

735
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: I mean, a solid performance on Sunday might go right

736
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: in that. In that regard for Pierre, especially considering that

737
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: the competition he's going to have to go up against. Yeah,

738
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: spinning the block offensive side of the football, So unless

739
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: there was anything else you wanted to.

740
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: Do, that side I think is pretty safe because in

741
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: a lot of it we've also touched on safety plays better,

742
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: Pierre is better. Benton and company did a lot of

743
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: damage to a really bad O line. You know, I

744
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: think we know those things, you know.

745
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 5: All right?

746
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: Offense, I've got one that kind of relates to the

747
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: trenches and Jalen Warren a little bit. I've got one

748
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: that's more of a bigger picture observation where you want

749
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: to go here? What do you want to All right,

750
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: let's start with this one because this isn't something we

751
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: really We didn't mention it all yesterday and haven't yet today.

752
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: One of my.

753
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: There concerns with this offense, we've talked about them. Yeah, protection,

754
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: run game, time of possession, Aaron Rodgers performance as of late,

755
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: wide receiver performance, tight end performance as of late, all

756
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: these things that we've discussed. One thing that we haven't

757
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: talked about. Red zone success for this offense is suddenly

758
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: very fleeting. It was great for first half of the season,

759
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: literally best in the National Football League. And that's important

760
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: for an offense that isn't getting down there a ton.

761
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: They weren't getting there a lot, but when they were,

762
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: they were making hay. Now they're not getting there a lot,

763
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: and they're not making any hay. That to me is

764
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: a is aye. Maybe you could even call it a

765
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: secondary concern because a lot of these things work in tandem.

766
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: You're not running the ball successfully when you're not getting

767
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: good play from Aaron Rodgers. Of course you're not going

768
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: to get to the red zone. You're going to struggle

769
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: more when you do.

770
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: All this stuff goes hand in hand. That's what the

771
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: sport's about. It's not like a your eighth hitters not hitting.

772
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's a whole ecosystem, you know, complimentary football. All

773
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: these things are in the same kind of sphere and

774
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: the same kind of ecosystem. The red zone success that

775
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: felt like it was a real strength for this team

776
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: for a while, seems like it's going in the opposite

777
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 2: direction that it's like very fleeting over the last few weeks. Yeah,

778
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: it's good getting there much and when they do, they're

779
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: not having success.

780
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: Emily often top of talk about you know, hidden yardage

781
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: and turnovers and time of possessions and even like sack

782
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 4: differential and explosive differential and stuff that we've talked about

783
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: more and more. But sometimes you also got to be like,

784
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 4: like Tomlin said, better on third downs, better on red zone.

785
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: I mean, those are two areas I look at every

786
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: week in the staff at who's good and bad on

787
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: third downs? And red zone?

788
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: Key indicator every week.

789
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, this has been going on since I've known anything

790
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 4: about football, you do. I mean, these are old school

791
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: stats that are still very relevant. First off, an observation

792
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: I have is I have a new respect and I

793
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 4: definitely underrated the Chargers front seven. Yeah, it's way better

794
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: than I thought I thought Khalil Mack was playing Hurt caledwell,

795
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 4: the rookie nose tackle type, along with guys like Hand

796
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: that no one's ever heard of or pretty darn good

797
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 4: players already. They throw that three package of three outside

798
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: linebackers with Tuy and o Way now along with Mac

799
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: on the field together, that's a pretty darn good group,

800
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 4: especially against the pass.

801
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: Bud getting a handful of snaps.

802
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if that's your fourth dude, it's pretty good.

803
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: Pretty nice. That's pretty nice. And he's not the player

804
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: he was when he left here, but he's still a

805
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: high quality depth piece for sure. Would throw him in

806
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: there ten to fifteen snaps a game. So I do

807
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: want to give the on these Tuesday sessions. If the

808
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: opponent deserves more credit, you gotta you gotta throw that

809
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: stuff out there, and really the best way, And we

810
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 4: said this going in. I mean their pass defense is great,

811
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: to run defense is bad, which goes back to why

812
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: don't you run the ball more? You know why it's

813
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 4: still still at such a high percentage of pass That

814
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: makes less and less sense to me seeing how the

815
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: game went. A concern I have is it's Rogers, but

816
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: it's also the passing game where they're very very low

817
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: in play action percentage still, and we know it's a

818
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: lot of shotgun, but you can still run play action

819
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: and there's studies that it doesn't matter how well you

820
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: run the ball. Play action still, Yes, they play action

821
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: is still the.

822
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: Same notes, and I used to argue about that all

823
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: the time.

824
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: I don't believe it. I mean, I think there.

825
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: Doesn't either, But I'm like, listen, the numbers are the numbers.

826
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: There's there's lies, there's statistics.

827
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: So I believe both of you, I guess. So side note,

828
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 4: I believe when you use play action it helps you

829
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: no matter what basically you know.

830
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: And it's gonna be a lot val regardless.

831
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: Yes, but I definitely think that motes a linebacker would

832
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: know the difference when Derek Henry's running down your.

833
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: Throat, I and no doubt about it as opposed to

834
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: you know, Joe blow average running back.

835
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, when gainwell reor Warren's getting two yards of carry

836
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: as opposed to when Henry's in his prime, just smash

837
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: it and you got to tackle that to every time.

838
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: So I definitely think that some of those stats lie

839
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: a little bit. But I definitely think it's also more

840
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: beneficial to use. But there at the bottom of the

841
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 4: league now there's only three or four offenses using play

842
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: action less. And where I'm going with this, though, is

843
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: the route concepts within without play action. I have no

844
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 4: data to support this, but so many of the non

845
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: play action throws from Rogers are predetermined at the line

846
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 4: of scrimmage, which he's great at. But they're almost all boom.

847
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 4: I mean they're all the real quick.

848
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: Stuff out in one and a half seconds, yes.

849
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: And sideway stuff or boom just getting this guy's hands,

850
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: and the play action stuff is the longer, developing, go

851
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: through my reads quarterbacks right right right, He's doing a

852
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: lot of wonderful quarterback stuff before the snap, but not

853
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 4: a lot after. Yes, and we opened the show of

854
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: you are what you are at this point, defenses now

855
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: know this stuff one thousand percent.

856
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: You know absolutely you can get away with it for

857
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks maybe ye, yeah, But these defensive

858
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: coordinators are millionaires too.

859
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 4: And like you mentioned, Bud Bud is I mean, he's

860
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 4: an edge guy's two hundred and seventy pounds. We've seen

861
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: Bud Debreez, a big human being. He's dropping into throwing

862
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: lanes and non play action situations, knowing that the quick

863
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: hitters are coming.

864
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: You know, yep, it was all right there on film. Yeah,

865
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: and it worked out very well for the Chargers.

866
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: Last one I've got, Matt is just this is I

867
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: will put my hand up and I will say, if

868
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Speaker 2: it worked, we're singing the praises.

869
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: If it doesn't, you're second guessing it. It's one of

870
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: those things. That's one of these coaching life in the

871
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: National Football League.

872
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: And I do give the Steelers credit for we slam.

873
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: In particular, this coaching staff often we I'm going the

874
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: general Steeler fan medium you and I for being too static.

875
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: Just do what you do and stick to it. Okay,

876
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: don't be stubborn, try something different. But hindsight is twenty twenty.

877
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: I didn't understand the revolving door at left guard.

878
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 4: I know.

879
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you start with Andre's Pede at left guard.

880
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: You bump Anderson out, you get a procedure penalty on

881
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: Pete on the very first snap of the game, before

882
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: even anything had happened. It backs you up on your

883
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: very first series, you go three and out. I think

884
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: that was part of the issue with establishing the run.

885
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: I just I understand that.

886
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: He's much of the year too. It's not like, boy,

887
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: this guy's so good, we have to.

888
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: Get exactly you know, exactly right.

889
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: I just again, if it would have worked out, we'd

890
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: be sitting here these last two shows singing the praises.

891
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: And they tried something different and it worked, and the

892
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: Chargers weren't ready for it. But it wasn't working, and

893
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: they continued to try and shuffle around too many parts there.

894
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: I just felt like part of.

895
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 4: The line is all about continuity, all about connuity and rhythm,

896
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 4: and they just with that revolving guard at left door.

897
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: They never established any of it Sunday night, and it

898
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: started right from Jump Street on the very first play

899
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: of the game, because that ends up being a twelve

900
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: yard run on the first play of the game, were

901
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: singing a difference. I'm not naive enough to not admit that.

902
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: But in hindsight, when you watch it on film, it

903
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: looks pretty jumbled, it looks pretty confused. It looks like

904
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: a lack of continuity.

905
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 4: So, just like our Peyton Wilson conversation, I'm going at

906
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 4: least gonna try to rebut it a little. Absolutely. First

907
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 4: of all, you mentioned that first play of the game,

908
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: Chargers kicked the ball out of bounds, and I know.

909
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: This is at least going to be a field goal.

910
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: On the worst case.

911
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: You pick up a first down, almost nullifies that right

912
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 4: off the bat, Like, what are we doing here? You

913
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: know they just gave you a gift. It had nothing

914
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: to do with you. They blasted out of bound start

915
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: to forty. I mean, it's such an advantage nowadays.

916
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: Get two first downs and you're in bas territory.

917
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 4: I'm with you on terms of the left guard situation.

918
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: Now.

919
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 4: What we didn't mention is I seem all who doesn't play.

920
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 4: I don't want jumbo corn beef whatever to go away, though,

921
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: absolutely want more.

922
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: I want it to be more.

923
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, it needs to be a staple, or it

924
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: needs to be an every down. We're gonna do it

925
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: every or in every week thing, no matter what agreed.

926
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: I think we talked about this. Max Starks taught me this.

927
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that the substitution rule. The substitution rule.

928
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if we went into the detail about

929
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: it yesterday or not. I don't think we did. But

930
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: I was on a lot of different outlets and one

931
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: of them I did, and I couldn't remember. So if

932
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 4: you're a tackle eligible, you know, like you have to

933
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: if you if somebody numbers reporting, if you have to

934
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: report eligible, you cannot stay in the game the next snap.

935
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: At a different position as a non eligible.

936
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 4: Yes, you know what I mean. So you.

937
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: Can't go from the extra offensive lineman right back into

938
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: the starting left guard correct on back to back snaps.

939
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: I didn't.

940
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: I didn't know that until like a week or two ago.

941
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: Max told me.

942
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 4: Something the announcement, same thing, you know, right, But Max

943
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: obviously would So that's a little weird in itself. So

944
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: there's a handful of snaps where Anderson's not on the

945
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: field and Pete is, even though you'd prefer Anderson on

946
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: the field because of what you did. Now my my

947
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: other cart counter argument against you, but I do agree

948
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 4: with you as a yes or no statement. I think

949
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: Pete only played ten snaps or eight snaps. It it's

950
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: not a ton. But still, so what's the answer, I

951
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 4: guess is the next question? I see them all who

952
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: can't play this week? What do you do for Jumbo?

953
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think I'm leaving peace to

954
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: do that. I think I'm leaving Anderson at guard.

955
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I kind of think I

956
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: am too.

957
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: I just I don't want to again, it's all I

958
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: don't like moving. No, lineman, you talk, you talk to.

959
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: The tounches in the Wolfs of the World, which you

960
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: and I were privileged to do every day for a decade,

961
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: and they tell you it's all about continuity. It's five

962
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: fingers on a fist. Yeah, you know, like that's an

963
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: offensive line. And I just particularly for a unit that

964
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: is so young and inexperienced. Yeah, you take you take

965
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: Saamalu out of that, and he's.

966
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: The new piece, you know. I mean it's like as

967
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: and Anderson need to be there every down too, or.

968
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: You know, Broderick and Fraser have twenty some starts in

969
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: their NFL careers. The rest of those guys are still

970
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: very very light in the wallet in that regard. I

971
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: just again, I am willing to hand up. If it

972
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: would have worked, we would have spent I spent ten

973
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: minutes yesterday singing their praises. I tried something different, and

974
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: we accuse him of being too static and they and

975
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: they got aggressive and it paid off. But yeah, I

976
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: just I want to see them continue to use that

977
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: corn beef like you mentioned, but I don't want it.

978
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: You got to find a way to do it without

979
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: a revolving door at left guard.

980
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: So we've had this conversation with with Chris Hallick and

981
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: I think some of the other beat guys over the

982
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: last two weeks, knowing that samal who's been dealing with

983
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 4: stuff and it's been thrown out there that you could

984
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 4: do it that way. Or Calvin Anderson can just be

985
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: the sixth guy now because I guess he's done a

986
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 4: little bit of it. I don't think he's done a

987
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 4: ton because he hasn't seen the field that.

988
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: Much, but he has played a lot of different positions

989
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: throughout his career.

990
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a persatile guy, So maybe that's the answer.

991
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: Or Pete who's also played tackle, I mean, came in

992
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 4: the league as a first und tackle. Maybe he's just

993
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: trusted him enough to start him at left guard. Yeah,

994
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 4: and maybe maybe we'll never have talked about it again

995
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: and see them all who plays, but that would be

996
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: the ideal situation. Yeah. So I just don't know what

997
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: the answer is, but I'm with you. There's a reason

998
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: that the largest human beings on a football field are

999
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 4: the only ones that don't rotate out? Yes, can we

1000
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: think they would get the most tired. But the tackle

1001
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 4: d linemen are rotating in and out. But left guards

1002
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: and centers and right tackles.

1003
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Speaker 2: Aren't you know there's rhyme to that reason. Yeah, Williamson

1004
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: Hour in the books, another hour ago. When we return

1005
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: on the other side, we'll start with a little fantasy

1006
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: football focus. As we're getting closer and closer to playoff time,

1007
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: the road is narrowing in your fantasy football leagues. We'll

1008
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: get into some waiver wire conversation to start Hour number two.

1009
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Speaker 2: West Shuler, Matt Williamson. It is the Drive on Steelers

1010
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