1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I heart radio. Yes, 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've never talked about this, but 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: were you. Were you into sports in school? Uh? So? 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: I really wish I could say yes, because I enjoy sports, 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: so once I get caught up in something, I really 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: really like it. So for a little while, I was 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: really into football because I really liked college football. And 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: this was after I left college, which is funny. I 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: really wish we had a soccer team. I would absolutely 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: have tried to play that. I think I would love that, 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: but we didn't have that available in little Ela j, Georgia. 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: So growing up I really wasn't into that much of sports. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: I was more into I did do some cheerleading. I 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: know everybody likes to debate about what that is, but 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: I loved it. I love the dancing, I love the stunts. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: It was really fun. But yeah, outside of that, not really. 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: I think I just got two winded when I was 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: like and I needed money, so my path went down 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: jobs rather than extracurricular activities. Right. Yeah, I was really 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: into spurce. I was really into soccer and volleyball. I 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: loved volleyball, but my school was also small and they 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: didn't have a team. But after I left the town 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: I came from to lon Aga, it's grown quite a 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: bit and now they have a volleyball team and I'm 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: really mad about that, but good for you. But right 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: my school did too. Of course, I think it was 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: like ten years after, so like immediately after, but there 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: was soccer because I think my niece was playing. I'm like, 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: good for you playing a soccer I really wish I 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: could have. Yes, yeah, me too. I'm just saying like 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: I was kind of lightly into a lot of like 33 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: I played a lot of basketball with my friends, and 34 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm swimming. I loved swimming. Of course I didn't really 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: have access to a pool because that was kind of 36 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: a also came after I I left, But when I did, 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, But then, as I guess before, I 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: did get really selfconscious about my body and I kind 39 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: of dropped out of all of those things, which bothers 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: me to this day. And then I was in marching band, 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: which isn't a sport, but it was physical, it was competitive. 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: It was competitive. I had to go twenty five yards 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: of the room between my legs while playing a clarinet 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: in less than ten moves. God, that's weird. It was impossible. 45 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: They had to change it because we kept falling over. 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: I want to see the blooper will on that lie. 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: I think it exists. And we got judged on a 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: competition once and I just remember the judge saying so 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: dryly like, oh, there goes a clarinet down to the ground. 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: So you had a commentator that's even better. It was 51 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: quite embarrassing. So today we wanted to talk about and 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: this is going to come back into play in this episode. 53 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: I promise we're going to talk about some laws around 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: trance people that have been passed in the United States. 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: We sently are laws that have been floated. Yeah, we 56 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: want to discuss some of those. Disclaimer the data's March 57 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 1: one as we record this, and things do change very rapidly. 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Soon after taking the office, President Joe Biden released the 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: and intersex Persons around the World, calling on American agencies 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: operating internationally to quote ensure that United States diplomacy and 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: foreign assistants promote and protect the human rights of lgbt 63 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: q I plus persons, among other things, It decrees that 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: these organizations should work to decriminalize the l g b 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: t q I plus community in their respective countries, providing 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: protection for l g b t q I plus refugees 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: and asylum seekers, addressing human rights abuses, and joining forces 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: with other international organizations that are similarly aligned. And this 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: was after Obama did something similar inn So here's a 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: quote from them, the random quote around the globe, including 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: here at home. Brave Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: intersex or the lgbtq plus activists are fighting for equal 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: protection under the law, freedom from violence, and recognition of 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: their fundamental human rights. The United States belongs at the 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: forefront of the struggle, speaking out in standing strong for 76 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: our most dearly held values. You shall be the policy 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: of the United States to pursue an end to violence 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, 79 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: or expression, or sex characteristics, and to lead by the 80 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: power of our example and the cause of advancing the 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: human rights of lgbt q I plus persons around the world, 82 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: and biden instead of this, when we defend equal rights 83 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: of the people the world over, of women and girls 84 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: of LGBTQ individuals, indigenous communities, and people with disabilities, the 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: people of every ethnic background in religion. We also ensure 86 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: that these rights are protected for our own children here 87 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: in America. The memorandum gives one hundred days for the 88 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: administration to undo any directives or initiatives that conflict with it, 89 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: specifically calling out the Trump era stuff that came out 90 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: of the Trump era. Biden's administration also aims to halt 91 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: the HI the AIDS epidemic, tackle violence against trans women 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: of color, ending exemptions to anti discrimination laws against the 93 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: lgbt Q plus community, and combating homelessness amongst that community. 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: This administration also repealed Trump's ban on transgender people serving 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: in the military, and just a f y I data 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: suggest almost nine thousand trans people served at the military 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and Biden signed an executive order that 98 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: cited post doc versus Clayton County, Georgia to direct federal 99 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: agencies to adhere to that ruling that found that discrimination 100 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: in the workplace based on sexual orientation or gender identity 101 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: violated Title seven of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen 102 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: sixty four, So to address violence targeted towards the trans community, 103 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: Biden pass an executive order called Preventing a Combating Discrimination 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation. It 105 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: decreed that Jim's health centers and shelters should not discriminate 106 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: against women. As you might imagine, that was an unfortunate 107 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: and media backlash to all of this and is a 108 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: continued debate. As we see. On Biden's very first day 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: in office, the hashtag biden erased women trended on Twitter. 110 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: This was largely based on the misguided and transphobic idea 111 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: that doling away with MP's definition of quote biological women 112 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: would really mess up the fairness of sports. Yes, and meanwhile, 113 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: conservatives all over the United States have introduced and in 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: some cases passed anti trans legislation, particularly in the world 115 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: of sports. In Montana, for instance, lawmakers proposed banning transgender 116 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: girls from participating in competitive sports. Tennessee Representative Bruce Griffey said, 117 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: when arguing for such a bill, what if one of 118 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: the boys is not doing well so he pretends to 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: be transgender to win. I'm protecting a discriminated class that's 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: girls and women in sports, and there was the same 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: Women's Sports Act in South Carolina. North Dakota House passed 122 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: a ban on transgender students from joining teams that matched 123 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: their gender identity, as well as withholding funds from events 124 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: that do allow trans athletes to play on teams aligned 125 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: with their gender identity. Right. And also there's somethings going 126 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: around in Georgia which I just don't even want to 127 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: mention her name, Green was trying to pass about actually 128 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: giving exams, uh, gender exams, and it's just an absurd 129 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: and that has not passed obviously, that's just being floated around. 130 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: But the way people are kind of backing her up, 131 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: and when I say people, I mean her supporters, it's 132 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: really sickening. And just to be clear, there is no 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: research to back this assertion up none, And in fact, 134 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: what research that has been done on young trans athletes 135 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: found that they face extremely difficult obstacles. They face gender dysphoria, trauma, 136 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: and discrimination, to name a few. And we already know 137 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: the amount of hate crimes and the amount of just 138 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: bullying for any l g pt q I plus is absurd, 139 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: and especially those in the transgender community. So this is 140 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: this is kind of that same argument about the band 141 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: on the bathrooms? What anyway? And according to the author 142 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: of Whipping Girl, a trans sexual woman on sexism and 143 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 1: the scapegoating of feminity, Julia Serrano, quote, there's a certain 144 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: amount of society respectful wanting to be a man. People 145 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: are a lot more disturbed concerned by feminine boys than 146 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: they are by masculine girls. And um Idaho became the 147 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: first state to institute quote, sex examinations as a prerequisite 148 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: before playing sports, and a federal judge allowed for a 149 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: preliminary injunction, saying, quote, the state has not identified a 150 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: legitimate interest served by the act other than an invalid 151 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: interest of excluding transgender women and girls from women's sports 152 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: entirely regardless of their physiological characteristics, calling the examinations quote humiliating. 153 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Then you've got South Dakota Representative Fred Deutsch, who last 154 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: year attempted to criminalize surgery and hormone blockers related to 155 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: trans people after hundreds protested it failed, But he wasn't done, 156 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: proposing a bill that would prevent people from changing the 157 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: sex on their birth certificates, barring clerical error. There's also 158 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: Alabama's Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act proposing felony charges 159 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: for healthcare workers who offered prescriptions or surgeries to that 160 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: quote intended to alter the appearance of a miner's gender 161 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: our delay puberty, with certain exceptions, enlabeling these procedures and 162 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: medications dangerous and uncontrolled human medical experimentation. According to the 163 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: a c l U, a record year in terms of 164 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: anti trans bills, and after Biden reinstated protection for trans folks, 165 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: over a dozen states challenged said protections. Forty four trans 166 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: people were killed, and the highest on record, many of 167 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: them black and brown women. So, yeah, there is so 168 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: much work to do, and this is just the beginning, 169 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of things happening right now 170 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: and things that are conversations that are being had, and 171 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: a Biden administration has taken some good steps, but there's yeah, 172 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: always more to be done. And uh, I would love 173 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: to to keep this conversation going and and let any 174 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: listeners let us know if there are pieces of this conversation, 175 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: especially around the world, that we can touch on. And 176 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: didn't want to say congrats to Elliott Page. I'm becoming 177 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,359 Speaker 1: the first transman to appear on the cover of Time magazine, 178 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: right and it was such a really inspiring article. Also, 179 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: we're still watching and seeing what's happening with Dr Rachel Levine, 180 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,479 Speaker 1: who may be one of the first transgender cabinet level appointee, 181 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: so we'll definitely be watching that as well. 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