Speaker 1: Hey, well, welcome back to bet Your Happy Hour. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with Alicia.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Betterer Happy Hour at your first time on
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited
Speaker 2: to be here.
Speaker 3: We're excited to have you.
Speaker 4: I think we should start all the way back on
Speaker 4: Grant Season, because we actually talked about you quite a
Speaker 4: bit when we recapped Grant Season because you were such
Speaker 4: a big part of episode.
Speaker 3: One and then poof, you're gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that is a pretty good recount of how
Speaker 2: things went. I obviously, you guys know, like I did
Speaker 2: have a first kiss with him, We did share a
Speaker 2: really good conversation, and those continued to happen while I
Speaker 2: was on the show. So I was just as equally
Speaker 2: shocked the night that he sent me home the previous
Speaker 2: conversation we had leading into that really ceremony. He also
Speaker 2: kind of gave me reassurance that we had a really
Speaker 2: good connection and he was excited to see me again.
Speaker 2: I gave him some photos of my family and he said,
Speaker 2: I'll give these back to you when I see you again.
Speaker 2: So in my head, I'm like, okay, that's him kind
Speaker 2: of giving me a wink, like you're getting through this
Speaker 2: row ceremony without actually doing it. So yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was surprised, but I guess you went how it
Speaker 2: goes on The.
Speaker 3: Bachelor two or week three, Week two?
Speaker 2: Right? Two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: That's so shocking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's going like you share a kiss, everything's
Speaker 1: going well, your conversations are are going well, and then
Speaker 1: he takes photos.
Speaker 4: And you're actually actually see you later.
Speaker 1: Did you ever did you ever speak with Grant again?
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea why he did end up
Speaker 1: sending you home?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know exactly why he sent me home.
Speaker 2: My guest would be like physically, I'm not his type,
Speaker 2: Like he probably doesn't like blondes and blue eyes, which
Speaker 2: is fair enough. We all have a type. I have
Speaker 2: spoken with him after I went to celebrate him and
Speaker 2: ju Leanna at their engagement party post filming, so I
Speaker 2: saw him there and his mom and family, and we're
Speaker 2: all on good pages. It's just very friendly vibes between us. Two.
Speaker 4: Nice because you left the Bachelors so early.
Speaker 3: Were you surprised when you got the call at Paradise?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was so surprised. I was surprised because I
Speaker 2: left early and I had never watched Paradise before, so
Speaker 2: I really had no idea what to expect. And then,
Speaker 2: you know, going into summer, I had travel planned, so
Speaker 2: I got the call. I was actually in India with
Speaker 2: my little sister, so I kind of scrambled to get
Speaker 2: things together and get back in time to make it
Speaker 2: for Paradise. But I was so excited to be thought of,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I didn't know if I would be getting
Speaker 2: the nod or the look at, you know, from being
Speaker 2: on the show for so such a short amount of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're half Indian, half white. That's your mix?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that's my mix. Also, oh my god, but
Speaker 2: that's so crazy. You don't need a lot of like that.
Speaker 2: That mix is kind of.
Speaker 4: Niche, No, truly so niche, but crazy because you're so
Speaker 4: way passing.
Speaker 3: And I was saying to Joe, I was like, it's.
Speaker 4: Truly, you just never know what you're gonna get with
Speaker 4: mixed kids, Like you just don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: It's so true, and I kind of love it because
Speaker 2: growing up, people would always assume I just got engaged
Speaker 2: to an Indian. Especially now I'm older, you know, in
Speaker 2: my thirties, they're like, oh, you must have gotten married
Speaker 2: to a mister Gupta and that you've taken on their
Speaker 2: last name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Think it's a good example why, you know, you just
Speaker 2: can't judge a book by its cover. People are always
Speaker 2: surprised to see how the gene pool worked out for me.
Speaker 2: But then you see me next to my sister. We
Speaker 2: look people think we're twins. The only difference is she's
Speaker 2: got like your color skin and year round, doesn't have
Speaker 2: to even see the sun. She's just got this perfect,
Speaker 2: perfect glowing, like all year round tan. But yeah, she
Speaker 2: also has like the white jeans. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think we I think are mom was just such
Speaker 2: a bad ass. She passed along all her jeans and
Speaker 2: we only got a little bit of the Indian.
Speaker 4: Mom's jeans are strong. She said, my daughters are gonna
Speaker 4: look like me. I don't care how tam my husband
Speaker 4: is exactly.
Speaker 2: And if you knew my mom, that's like the epitome
Speaker 2: of her personality too, so it actually fits.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: How I've never been to India, You've never been the India,
Speaker 1: But it's a place I want to go. What part
Speaker 1: were you?
Speaker 2: Just?
Speaker 1: What part? Where were you?
Speaker 2: So we did the Golden Triangle, so we did Jaipur,
Speaker 2: we did the taj Mahal and Deli and then into
Speaker 2: the city for a couple of days. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of like what they recommend doing if you're going to
Speaker 2: be all the way over in India because it is
Speaker 2: quite far to get and then between those three places,
Speaker 2: it's like a four hour car ride and there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of like public transportation, so it really is
Speaker 2: worth seeing all those places when you're already over there.
Speaker 2: But it was amazing. It was the food was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That's like my favorite part when I travel is trying
Speaker 2: all the And they warned us, they're like, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get Deli belly, like you know. We booked through a
Speaker 2: travel agency that my family in India. They live there
Speaker 2: and they run a travel agency. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're going to take us to all the great places
Speaker 2: and they had all these really gentrified restaurants on the list,
Speaker 2: and my sister and I are like, no, take us
Speaker 2: on a tuk tuk to the middle of the town
Speaker 2: where everybody's getting like I want a translator and I
Speaker 2: want to get some like raw curry puffs or something,
Speaker 2: and it was incredible. They took us to this market
Speaker 2: and the food was it was the best food I
Speaker 2: had was just at like a random street vendor.
Speaker 1: How was it your first time there?
Speaker 2: It was since I was a little. My dad, so
Speaker 2: my dad's side, the family's from India, but when he
Speaker 2: was growing up, he was actually born in Kenya. So
Speaker 2: even though.
Speaker 4: So my Indian family like is from New Delhi, but
Speaker 4: then my grandparents were born in Kenya.
Speaker 2: So did they flee because of the coup because that's
Speaker 2: that's like the story that I hear is my dad
Speaker 2: says his parents there was like an oppressive group that
Speaker 2: came through India around our grandparents' time, and that's it
Speaker 2: was like kind of unsafe for them, so they went
Speaker 2: and started a business. I guess it was a really
Speaker 2: common thing to go to Kenya from India.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's like a huge like seek population in Kenya. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which I also random, but probably because of that exactly.
Speaker 2: So even though yeah, I do have Indian ties, a
Speaker 2: lot of my family did migrade from India, so I
Speaker 2: didn't really go back as a child to like visit
Speaker 2: family there per se. But I've been to Africa to
Speaker 2: visit my Indian side the family, and that's like my
Speaker 2: also favorite place on Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really want to go there. I've never visited
Speaker 3: on my grandparents too.
Speaker 4: My grandparents lived there, they have my uncle there, and
Speaker 4: then they moved to England, which is where a lot
Speaker 4: of Indian fan.
Speaker 2: And that's where my dad's living now. But they all
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. Yeah, they're talking to the same people.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's this tight knit community. All right, we should
Speaker 4: get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's get to the show. But do you
Speaker 1: go to London? Have you been to Dashume?
Speaker 2: I love that, I love Dashume. Yeah, I've been to London.
Speaker 2: I went to school in London for high school, so
Speaker 2: I said a lot of hangover there. I was actually
Speaker 2: born there originally, so I go back a lot. And
Speaker 2: this week I actually have three of my friends from
Speaker 2: England that are coming to visit me in LA and
Speaker 2: they've never been here. So I'm going to do like
Speaker 2: the grand tour. Exciting.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so funny. You can do a little watch
Speaker 3: party with them if they're.
Speaker 2: In Oh yeah, exactly. They have no idea what they're
Speaker 2: in store for. I don't think they get it over there,
Speaker 2: so there's gonna be a lot of catching them up.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you so you you end up going on
Speaker 1: Paradise where you hesitant all about going where you just
Speaker 1: kind of like all in, like, yeah, I'll take another
Speaker 1: shot at this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I was all in. Obviously, there are
Speaker 2: things that you the unknown can be scary, and I
Speaker 2: think for me, the only hesitancy was are there going
Speaker 2: to be any genuine quality men there that I could
Speaker 2: see myself actually binding romance with? And if not, then no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go do that. That sounds like
Speaker 2: my version of hell, to be honest, like stuck with
Speaker 2: nothing around you, in no way to escape, and all
Speaker 2: you have to do is talk to guys you're not
Speaker 2: interested in. No, I go to a bar on a
Speaker 2: Friday night if I wanted to do that. So I
Speaker 2: wanted to know who's going to be there. But obviously
Speaker 2: that's like part of the lore, and they keep that
Speaker 2: a surprise. And once I realized, you know, you're going
Speaker 2: to go in blind and I just have to fully hope,
Speaker 2: And I think I did I just went in with
Speaker 2: really high expectations and I was optimistic that there would
Speaker 2: be someone for me there. So once I got my
Speaker 2: head wrapped around that, and I was kind of approaching
Speaker 2: it from that mindset, it was like, what do I
Speaker 2: have to lose, Like, go have fun on the beach,
Speaker 2: make some friend, and hopefully make out with some guys
Speaker 2: and find romance. Best case scenario.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I mean I wouldn't make out with guys,
Speaker 1: but like I agree with everything else.
Speaker 2: But everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you? Were there any guys like on your list?
Speaker 1: Did you have a list of guys that you were
Speaker 1: potentially interested in?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've watched the Bachelor franchise, but not all of it,
Speaker 2: so I kind of wanted to keep it that way.
Speaker 2: They have recommended going back and watching things, but as
Speaker 2: somebody who's been on the show, I know that what
Speaker 2: you are shown isn't always what the person is like
Speaker 2: on the inside, and so I didn't want to really
Speaker 2: go in with preconceived notions and expectations of these men.
Speaker 2: Dale Moss and Pilot Pete. Pilot Pete since has a girlfriend,
Speaker 2: and yeah.
Speaker 3: So Dale was on your list? Yeah, that was a
Speaker 3: long shot.
Speaker 4: I mean I don't think anyone really expected to see
Speaker 4: him down there, but he is. He's in paradise. You
Speaker 4: walk in, does he immediately catch your eye? Does someone
Speaker 4: else catch your eye? What is your initial reaction?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I came in the way they had
Speaker 2: arranged it was there was this Birds of Paradise challenge
Speaker 2: where all the guys dressed up in these crazy costumes
Speaker 2: and feathers and then came out doing like mating calls
Speaker 2: and dances. So the women were all sat outside waiting
Speaker 2: for the men to come out one by one, and
Speaker 2: I actually entered with just the group of women. So
Speaker 2: at first that's all I knew who. I knew the
Speaker 2: women who were going to be there, but I didn't
Speaker 2: know what guys were there.
Speaker 3: And then you kind of had like a fashion show
Speaker 3: of men.
Speaker 2: Yes, as they were coming out like one by one,
Speaker 2: that was my real time learning who was there for
Speaker 2: the first time, which was really exciting and very fun
Speaker 2: way to be brought into the whole experience. But yes,
Speaker 2: so that's when the I saw Dale for the first time,
Speaker 2: and I was surprised. I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 2: when he walked out, I like registered, Oh, that's Dale.
Speaker 2: He was on my list of people I'd be interested in.
Speaker 2: It was just this hot body with like a red
Speaker 2: feathered dress on, and I was wearing red feather so
Speaker 2: all the couple seemed to be matching that night, and
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, okay, is this like a cue
Speaker 2: that this person somebody I should be like coupling up
Speaker 2: with or like looking at. And then we did have
Speaker 2: a really good conversation, like right away. We hit it
Speaker 2: off immediately, and we had really good chemistry. So I
Speaker 2: did notice him. He was definitely like one of the
Speaker 2: first people I would say I was excited to see there.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean it comes across that way as
Speaker 1: if you were watching it, it seems like you guys
Speaker 1: do have really good chemistry. It seems like you're both
Speaker 1: interested in each other. You seem to like Sean, but
Speaker 1: it seems like you are definitely more interested in dal Well.
Speaker 4: And I mean, your first impression of Sean was him
Speaker 4: making it with April, so maybe you need a little
Speaker 4: more time to get to know him.
Speaker 2: That was like the Actually that was the only redeeming
Speaker 2: thing of Sean that night. I thought that was hilarious
Speaker 2: that he did that. But we did have a conversation
Speaker 2: right after, and everybody was drinking and having fun, and
Speaker 2: I told Sean this our first conversation. He was just
Speaker 2: kind of like tipsy and being silly, and like, I
Speaker 2: don't think he remembers a lot of it. And from
Speaker 2: that conversation, yeah, I was like a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: skeptical of him. So and on top of that, like
Speaker 2: I would say, Dale is just physically my type. Like
Speaker 2: I've dated tons of different looking people, but if I
Speaker 2: had to say I have a type, it would be
Speaker 2: like tall, dark, handsome, So he fits that. Bill Sean
Speaker 2: is definitely a complete replica of my ex boyfriend, which
Speaker 2: also scared me. And that's something I conveyed to Sean
Speaker 2: early on, and like I was pretty open about that.
Speaker 2: So that was also why I think I was a
Speaker 2: little bit like trepidacious with the Shawn encounter at first.
Speaker 1: So why choose Sean on a date over Dale?
Speaker 2: So that morning I woke up and I was really torn.
Speaker 2: I had no idea who I was going to choose
Speaker 2: because there was a Row ceremony that evening, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't just take somebody on a first date. It was
Speaker 2: also now there's a rose ceremony.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, let me just break this now real quick.
Speaker 1: So you get in at night during a challenge where
Speaker 1: everyone's dressed like a bird, and then and being.
Speaker 2: Silly and goofy and like we're all lighthearted. The guys
Speaker 2: and the girls were both like locked down before that
Speaker 2: in a thunderstorm, so we were drinking in the hotel rooms.
Speaker 2: It was just like a very lighthearted night, and everybody
Speaker 2: was kind of like their alter ego. So I almost
Speaker 2: came in and met everybody's crazy night out alter ego.
Speaker 2: Woke up the next morning and then had to decide
Speaker 2: who was going on.
Speaker 1: A date with and then that night is a row ceremony, yes, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: And when you're on.
Speaker 2: A date, you're gone all day. So it's like I
Speaker 2: would literally be going into a row ceremony hoping that
Speaker 2: whoever I took on the date is going to give
Speaker 2: me a rose. And in my head, Sean was way
Speaker 2: more open and had a rose to give, and the
Speaker 2: way I viewed it was Dale was much less likely
Speaker 2: to give me a rose, saying that he's been with
Speaker 2: Kat for like ten days at this point, and in
Speaker 2: my head, like, I don't think anybody who's a good
Speaker 2: person would ditch somebody for ten days over somebody who
Speaker 2: walked in for one day, so that is kind of
Speaker 2: like the right thing for him to do. So that
Speaker 2: was the first thing that kind of made my decision
Speaker 2: to take Sean on the date, and then the second
Speaker 2: one was the two conversations I had that morning. I
Speaker 2: pulled Dale and Sean separately and talked to them for
Speaker 2: a little bit before giving out that day card, and
Speaker 2: both conversations were great. In Dale's conversation, something that stood
Speaker 2: out to me was he had expressed his interest in
Speaker 2: going on the date with me, but encouraged me that
Speaker 2: if I don't pick him, it's not going to change
Speaker 2: us getting to know each other. It's not going to
Speaker 2: stop him from wanting to get to know me and
Speaker 2: continue like building something. So it kind of seemed like
Speaker 2: a no brainer decision. I can keep getting to know
Speaker 2: someone who I'm physically attracted to but don't know enough
Speaker 2: about his personality, and stick around to guarantee that I
Speaker 2: can get to know everybody a lot more.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, no brainer, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the reality is, like the show is about
Speaker 4: finding love, but there is a little strategy involved to
Speaker 4: get to the point.
Speaker 2: Of the opportunity of exactly. Yeah, because to be able
Speaker 2: to have that time and being the last one out
Speaker 2: so I could lie and be like I was just
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to know Sean Moore. That was
Speaker 2: part of it, one hundred percent. I wanted to get
Speaker 2: to know either of those guys that I took on
Speaker 2: the date. I was interested in getting to know more
Speaker 2: at that point. But why wouldn't I pick the person
Speaker 2: who's going to give me a good shot at sticking
Speaker 2: around that night?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the last thing you want to do is go
Speaker 4: on the date with Dale. Maybe the connection is not
Speaker 4: really there. You He ends up giving his rose to Cat,
Speaker 4: as you probably expected he would, even if the date
Speaker 4: went great exact, then you're out of there twenty four
Speaker 4: hours in without getting to now explore Sean.
Speaker 1: Right, explore Sean. Do you think if you had zero
Speaker 1: interest in Sean you would have still made that decision?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, no, because it was like I was very
Speaker 2: split that morning waking up, and I really did consider
Speaker 2: giving it to Dale because of you know what I said, Like,
Speaker 2: there's also no point in being there if you don't
Speaker 2: think that you have a connection with someone. So if
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything coming out of a relationship with
Speaker 2: Sean and that leading somewhere. Then No, I definitely would
Speaker 2: have just picked Dale and been like, sh who cares.
Speaker 2: I don't care if I go home and don't get
Speaker 2: the rose because I don't want to be here interested
Speaker 2: in any of the other guys.
Speaker 3: How did the day go a Sean?
Speaker 2: It was good. It was really intense, which is another
Speaker 2: reason I'm glad I picked him. In retrospect, they had
Speaker 2: us explore the five senses through like taste, touch, sound,
Speaker 2: and we had these little cards that prompted each stage,
Speaker 2: and they were very intimate. Just all of them were like,
Speaker 2: you know, rub this honey here and get the ice
Speaker 2: cube in a place that you're going to get goosebumps.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't imagine. That's not what I imagine for
Speaker 2: any first date, but for it to be with Sean,
Speaker 2: who I did feel really comfortable with and we did
Speaker 2: have like the friend foundation there. I was much more
Speaker 2: comfortable in that situation than had I picked Dale or
Speaker 2: anybody else for that matter, just basically sitting down and
Speaker 2: then just like making out and rubbing honey and licking
Speaker 2: chocolate off each other's body parts.
Speaker 1: So, after your date with Sean, is the romantic connection
Speaker 1: growing or are you still like, Ah, I like this
Speaker 1: guy more of a friend. Want to see what happens
Speaker 1: with Dale.
Speaker 2: After the date, I was definitely felt more interested in
Speaker 2: Sean than I was at first, because it was so
Speaker 2: easy and natural, and I just felt very comfortable around him.
Speaker 2: We had so much in common. We really connected on
Speaker 2: like a deep family level, and we opened up about
Speaker 2: our past and our upbringings and things we're looking for
Speaker 2: in our future and our future partners, and a lot
Speaker 2: of those things aligned. So that made me feel like
Speaker 2: I made the right decision because I picked somebody who
Speaker 2: at the core is looking for the same things that
Speaker 2: I essentially am over just looks, which in the past
Speaker 2: I have gone from, you know, just the good looking guy,
Speaker 2: and it lets you down because That's not what I'm
Speaker 2: looking for. At the end of the day, I need,
Speaker 2: like so much more than just that.
Speaker 4: As a viewer, it seems like there is this spark
Speaker 4: and this mutual interest between you and Dale, but then
Speaker 4: moving into this latest episode, we don't really see it
Speaker 4: go any further what happened there.
Speaker 2: So it was really I feel like that it was
Speaker 2: just kind of it was always going to be that way,
Speaker 2: just because the timing of when I came in that
Speaker 2: after that really ceremony that was when it was announced
Speaker 2: Jesse announced that it's no longer a dating show. It's
Speaker 2: now going to be a competition show, and the couple
Speaker 2: that wins is going to be the couple that gets
Speaker 2: through these tests and relationship challenges and basically like the
Speaker 2: best couple together at this point. So in my head,
Speaker 2: I'm like one that completely gets rid of the whole
Speaker 2: like dating around part of the show, which I was
Speaker 2: deprived of because of the time I came in, Like
Speaker 2: I didn't get that opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1: So you're basically you just you just walked onto a
Speaker 1: challenge show basically.
Speaker 2: And I picked my partner, and at this point, like
Speaker 2: it would be it's lucrative for all of us and
Speaker 2: couples to spend our time and focus on getting to
Speaker 2: know the person we're with, especially me because I just
Speaker 2: got there and everybody else's ten days advantage knowing these people,
Speaker 2: and like I come in, none of the guys, like
Speaker 2: at first, hardly any of the guys even came up
Speaker 2: and like introduce themselves to me, which I thought was like,
Speaker 2: even that was strange, and I get it. It's just
Speaker 2: like a bizarre situation because people are in couples and
Speaker 2: whatnot and they don't want to give anybody like nerves
Speaker 2: or fear that they're interested in another person who walks in.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it was yeah, very like
Speaker 2: intimidating to me going into now a competition and I
Speaker 2: feel like I don't hardly know any of these people.
Speaker 2: They're not really trying to talk to me or make
Speaker 2: a connection because they have their established connections. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I've also have been told like it's gonna be kind
Speaker 2: of taboo to I would have continued to pursue Dale
Speaker 2: and like get to know him more. And I think,
Speaker 2: to answer your question in short, because of the way
Speaker 2: the show turned into a competition at that point, I
Speaker 2: don't think it was ever going to progress because both
Speaker 2: Dale and I at that were kind of everybody going
Speaker 2: to their partners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're on a unfortunately a just a a different
Speaker 1: show because I would say, like majority of past seasons,
Speaker 1: like even at this point in the show, no one's
Speaker 1: really locked lockdown exactly. There was more and even being
Speaker 1: just like the location of Mexico and on the beach,
Speaker 1: it just had more of like an openness to mingle
Speaker 1: and just like hang out as a group. Don't you think.
Speaker 2: That's exactly how I felt? And I was really you know,
Speaker 2: going back to I was kind of all in when
Speaker 2: I got the call to come to Paradise. I was
Speaker 2: really excited at that and to get to know everyone.
Speaker 2: Some of the best the best thing that came from
Speaker 2: my season on Grants was all the women and like
Speaker 2: those relationships that I made, and that's that's just it's
Speaker 2: meant so much to me and like will be friends forever.
Speaker 2: So in my head, I'm like, I'm going to meet
Speaker 2: some really incredible people that I share this cool experience with.
Speaker 2: And I did, and I don't take that back, but
Speaker 2: it was a very different experience than I thought it
Speaker 2: would be, like going on a dationally show versus a
Speaker 2: dating show. And I do think that had I come
Speaker 2: in day one or day two like earlier days, I
Speaker 2: do think that I, like Dayla and I probably would
Speaker 2: have ended up being coupled up. I think we did
Speaker 2: have a lot more in common than him and Kat
Speaker 2: did in some ways.
Speaker 1: Interesting, do you so when when Jesse comes down and
Speaker 1: essentially switches the structure of the show. Are you and
Speaker 1: Sean now more focused on like, all right, let's let's
Speaker 1: try to win a post to like let's get to
Speaker 1: know each other and see if we want a date
Speaker 1: in the real world.
Speaker 2: I think Sean and I were in a really good
Speaker 2: position because we were getting to know each other, and
Speaker 2: this was just like a way to expedite that, right
Speaker 2: because it was like we had to get to know
Speaker 2: each other even quicker now, and we had to do
Speaker 2: like play catch up on the time that we didn't
Speaker 2: have together that other people did. And there also was
Speaker 2: kind of like a lightness to it, like we didn't
Speaker 2: feel pressure at all because everybody else had ten days
Speaker 2: to like know their couple. We just met each other,
Speaker 2: so we're not really expected to know each other to
Speaker 2: the same degree and level as everybody else. But because
Speaker 2: we had so much in common and like our core
Speaker 2: values were like very similar, I think we both felt
Speaker 2: pretty good that we knew enough about each other to
Speaker 2: be able to, like, you know, make educated guesses on
Speaker 2: certain things, leading into some of the challenges where you
Speaker 2: know you had to know your partner. I think if
Speaker 2: you know enough about someone, you can kind of infer or,
Speaker 2: like guess what their answer would be to some things.
Speaker 2: So I think we felt pretty strong to say. We
Speaker 2: had really short amount of time together, and I don't
Speaker 2: think we were thinking of the money, because truly, neither
Speaker 2: of us thought that we were going to be the
Speaker 2: strongest couple at the end, Like that was such a
Speaker 2: you know, one in a million kind of thing for
Speaker 2: it to be us, So we weren't expecting that. We
Speaker 2: just it was fun. It made getting to know each
Speaker 2: other even more fun because it had kind of like
Speaker 2: a reason to have those conversations, and it was a
Speaker 2: super organic way of you know, asking how many kids
Speaker 2: do you want? That's just not something you would bring
Speaker 2: up out of the blue randomly, but when you're playing
Speaker 2: these games and you need to know certain things about someone, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just really expedited that whole honeymoon getting to know
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: VASE was as a group, was there like a majority
Speaker 1: of people like, oh, I think I think Andrew and
Speaker 1: Alex are the strongest couple right now, Like, was there
Speaker 1: any couple that was kind of like fared amongst the
Speaker 1: others for the competition?
Speaker 2: Yes, Jess and Spencer were always the strongest couple. I
Speaker 2: think for everyone, just because they coupled up so early,
Speaker 2: they were always connected by the hip, and so I
Speaker 2: would say those two were the strongest couple.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 4: We see that Jeremy and Bailey win the challenge, and
Speaker 4: the advantage is that they get to send a couple
Speaker 4: home at the Rose ceremony. Were you surprised that they
Speaker 4: chose Gary and Leslie and why do you think they
Speaker 4: made that choice?
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't surprised. So that was such a tough
Speaker 2: Rose ceremony because we knew it was going to be
Speaker 2: a Golden going home, or at least I think we
Speaker 2: all assumed it was. At that point. A lot of
Speaker 2: the Goldens who were there and who had been coupled
Speaker 2: up had been very vocal about the fact that it's
Speaker 2: platonic relationships. They've had their great love or you know,
Speaker 2: they like this guy as a friend, but now they're
Speaker 2: just kind of there for the experience, and they're really
Speaker 2: open about that. So I think all of the younger
Speaker 2: generation couples were thinking based on this being paradise and
Speaker 2: looking for a connection and love. I would assume we're
Speaker 2: going to prioritize like the real couples that are trying
Speaker 2: for that and sends a Golden's home. And also all
Speaker 2: of the Goldens were so they kind of knew that
Speaker 2: they should be going home, like you know, they're saying like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like we aren't romantic or you guys are
Speaker 2: going to have a great time, but like we're really
Speaker 2: enjoying our time just while we're here. So I expected
Speaker 2: a Golden to go home. I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: going to be Gary and Leslie. But after Gary's crazy
Speaker 2: bet zoo he did.
Speaker 3: Why do you think he did that?
Speaker 2: I think Gary gets caught up in like the performance
Speaker 2: and some of the showmanship, and I think he was
Speaker 2: having fun and he was, you know, doing a little
Speaker 2: bit of like a bit, and it probably wasn't even
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it registered through his head
Speaker 2: the consequences of making that bet. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if he did the math in his head. You could
Speaker 2: literally just throw a chep. You could just guess the
Speaker 2: wrong answer and still be safe. So I don't know
Speaker 2: why he did it, but you know, if you're going
Speaker 2: to be irresponsible, you're making that decision not just for
Speaker 2: you but for your couple now, because that's how we're
Speaker 2: playing this game, and unfortunately you made like a really
Speaker 2: risky move and it didn't pay off. And I think
Speaker 2: that's ultimately why it was Gary who got sent home
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what I said.
Speaker 3: Exactly what you said.
Speaker 4: I think that it seems like genius is I think
Speaker 4: that it seems like Gary and Leslie as much as
Speaker 4: they were exploring a romantic connection. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: Gary's mistake definitely put them in jeopardy, and then on
Speaker 4: top of that, it did seem like Faith and Kim
Speaker 4: had a stronger romantic connection. So if you plays are
Speaker 4: kind of making these decisions based off that, it would
Speaker 4: make sense that they would go with Leslie and Gary exactly.
Speaker 2: And I mean that was Bailey's ultimately decision to make,
Speaker 2: so I know that was probably really hard for her,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it was an easy decision. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if Jeremy had anything to say about it,
Speaker 2: or if he encouraged her one way or the other,
Speaker 2: But that was not easy to send any of the
Speaker 2: Goldens home. I can't imagine, especially for somebody who's such
Speaker 2: a sweetheart like Bailey has such a sweet and a
Speaker 2: sense to her, and she really does care about people.
Speaker 2: So that was really hard. That was a really hard
Speaker 2: road ceremony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with what has been aired of the show thus far,
Speaker 1: is there anything that has shocked you from what you're
Speaker 1: seeing within.
Speaker 2: Like the couples, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: Anything stand out within the Jeremy and Bailey stuff.
Speaker 4: You want to just say it because we're talking about Bailey.
Speaker 2: So that surprised me. So here's what happened. The boys
Speaker 2: had a really good strong group and camaraderie, and they
Speaker 2: were going back to their rooms and like before Row
Speaker 2: ceremonies and cocktail parties and talking and so you know,
Speaker 2: the Jeremy thing. I'm sure he brought up to the
Speaker 2: guys and they were all aware of it. So when
Speaker 2: I did hear about the Susi thing through the telephone,
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that it had gone ten days without
Speaker 2: anybody bringing it up. I think that you are just
Speaker 2: as guilty if you know something and you stay quiet,
Speaker 2: and you choose to stay quiet, But I think you're
Speaker 2: just as complicit and like the guilty. I think what's
Speaker 2: hard is I was surprised. I didn't realize how many
Speaker 2: times Jeremy like doubled down and said that like I
Speaker 2: don't want to win with Bailey. I want to call
Speaker 2: Susie back, where Susie like he was a broken record,
Speaker 2: and he said it so many times now I thought
Speaker 2: it when I heard it, I thought it was just
Speaker 2: one passing phone call to call her to come back,
Speaker 2: which was like not a big deal at all, Like
Speaker 2: I didn't think Bailey would even care to hear that.
Speaker 2: But now knowing how involved it is and how much
Speaker 2: he said it, I think that's probably what pushed Brian,
Speaker 2: because he's hearing it in the guy's room like every night,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure Jeremy brought it up more than once,
Speaker 2: which is probably why he felt like so compelled to
Speaker 2: say something like what else have you been hiding in
Speaker 2: line to me? Like I've I felt really bad for her,
Speaker 2: and I felt bad that I wasn't there because had
Speaker 2: I been there, like there was no way that would
Speaker 2: have got to day ten without her knowing that as my.
Speaker 1: Girlfriend playing Devil's advocate here a little bit just for fun.
Speaker 1: Is there any bit of grace for Jeremy talking about
Speaker 1: this amongst the guys in his room, where it's more
Speaker 1: like he's venting, venting, and not really one hundred meaning it.
Speaker 1: Like I like the him calling Susie. That's like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's just like, well you did that, Yeah, that you happened.
Speaker 1: But is there any bit of that or is it
Speaker 1: just kind of like.
Speaker 4: I think as a girl, it gets complicated when everyone
Speaker 4: else knows.
Speaker 3: It's not like he was in a.
Speaker 4: Private setting venting to a friend and like it got
Speaker 4: it got out and he was like, look, I was
Speaker 4: truly just burning off some steam. Like I think it's
Speaker 4: like you're micd up, you're on camera. It's getting around
Speaker 4: the beach, and for really to be the last to know,
Speaker 4: like the impact is just going to be so much
Speaker 4: more of a gut punch.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good excuse because at that point,
Speaker 2: as a friend, you could just feel like, hey, you're
Speaker 2: my friend, but I'm going to do the right thing
Speaker 2: and this is the right thing and you know that.
Speaker 2: Let's I'll help you out with it. We can both
Speaker 2: do like whatever. But staying quiet I just don't think's fair.
Speaker 2: And I think the other part that's hard. Yeah, everybody knowing,
Speaker 2: but now he's saying this and it's like ten twelve
Speaker 2: days later, like however many days into it, I think
Speaker 2: as a woman, I would be feeling to have uncertainties
Speaker 2: I think are it's normal. But then after a certain
Speaker 2: amount of days and when you're being told something else,
Speaker 2: and then behind your back you're being questioned like if
Speaker 2: you're compatible, or if he likes you, or if he
Speaker 2: wants whatever, I think that part would be hard for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know who.
Speaker 4: I would have loved to see Zoe.
Speaker 3: Throw her back in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Zoey.
Speaker 3: Zoe would not have let this get so far. Zoe
Speaker 3: would have been all over it.
Speaker 2: Zoe would have been all over it. But that's like,
Speaker 2: that's what I respect about her. And like, also, we're
Speaker 2: all adults. Like, we're all adults. It's just not that deep.
Speaker 2: I don't I also don't understand when we're on a
Speaker 2: show with cameras, mics, this is all gonna come out,
Speaker 2: you guys know, like it's all gonna come out. So
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you just be honest about the things you're
Speaker 2: saying and doing and get ahead of it and own
Speaker 2: it like it. That's the to me, a no brainer
Speaker 2: and win win for everyone involved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything else that surprised you before we wrap up?
Speaker 2: I was surprised. I had no idea idea about Jill,
Speaker 2: like being upset the night that she left, the night
Speaker 2: I came in, like, I had no idea until she
Speaker 2: came up and gave me a goodbye saying she was
Speaker 2: like leaving, that she was even thinking about going, So
Speaker 2: that was a surprise. I didn't know Kat was mad
Speaker 2: at Dale the night that we started talking. I had
Speaker 2: no idea there was that drama going on. I had
Speaker 2: no idea Jonathan was pursuing Kat so much behind closed
Speaker 2: doors that was like so sneaky, And did not know
Speaker 2: that was happening between any of them and.
Speaker 4: We else, I know, did any of the Parisa and
Speaker 4: Brian Steff surprise you.
Speaker 1: No, Well, yeah, and your roommates with Prisa, So would
Speaker 1: makes sense? That would that makes sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just Brian and Prisa are both such strong,
Speaker 2: like unique personalities, and you know, sometimes they say opposites attract,
Speaker 2: and I think they were kind of polarizing forces. But
Speaker 2: it worked for them, and because of that, there was
Speaker 2: just a lot of theatrics that came with the territory
Speaker 2: and it was I love I love being around them
Speaker 2: and watching them, like I think they're hilarious.
Speaker 1: Nice. Well, thank you so much. For coming on the
Speaker 1: podcast and taking the time. I'm sure this is the last,
Speaker 1: well it might be the last time you're on this podcast,
Speaker 1: but we're going to see more of you the rest
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much for having me. This
Speaker 2: was fun and I can't believe how much of a weird,
Speaker 2: insanely similar background you have.
Speaker 4: I know that was actually the coolest part of this
Speaker 4: podcast from yes, because I can't say I've ever met
Speaker 4: someone with the same ethic background as me.
Speaker 2: Me either, And you get it now, Like I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm with a kindred spirit who, like I don't
Speaker 2: even have to speak. You just understand. You understand, I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: I get it girl.
Speaker 1: You guys are best friends. Okay. And to all our listeners,
Speaker 1: especially the ones that are half Indian, half white, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in
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Speaker 3: Yeah, keep tuning in to Bachelor in Paradise every single
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