WEBVTT - When I Paint His Masterpiece: The Beltracchis

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of Iheartradiozon Elizabeth. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's ridiculous. Oh man, do I all right? You ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard of wife carrying as a competitive sport? No, I've not.

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<v Speaker 1>So it started out apparently in Finland, where it has

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<v Speaker 1>a definitely decidedly questionable history. But wife carrying as a sport,

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<v Speaker 1>it involves track that has to be two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight yards long, exactly that number, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>has to have two dry obstacles, one wet obstacle swarty goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>and a husband has to carry their wife. Now, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find these contests everywhere. They're like in Finland, Kazakhstan,

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere you look, you know. But in America we do

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<v Speaker 1>them proper. Okay. There's the North American wife carrying Championship

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<v Speaker 1>you can find at the Sunday River Resort in newy Maine,

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<v Speaker 1>like any wry newy okay, right, And they usually do

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<v Speaker 1>it in the fall, and it involves people male female

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<v Speaker 1>partnership when they're all leaf peeping. Yeah, so the exactly

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<v Speaker 1>out there like oh it's gouse the leaves. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do a championship run. So yeah, they basically

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine a husband carrying his wife like fire like

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<v Speaker 1>fireman over the shoulders, or like maybe like bear hug

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, upside down, where like they're all s

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of weird ways, but however they can like

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<v Speaker 1>clutch each other and then they run as fast and

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<v Speaker 1>as hard as they can over three obstacles and hell

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<v Speaker 1>and dale, Yeah, for two hundred and seventy eight yards

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And you can't drag her, No, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta its whole thing is the carrying in. That's the name. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, ridiculous. That is very ridiculous. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what else is ridiculous? No, hit me with it? Forging

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<v Speaker 1>art while in jail for forging art? Wait, what this is? Ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 1>Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent ridiculous. Oh you damn right. Yes, I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>established that I like four things. Okay, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>like more than four things in life, but these are

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<v Speaker 1>the main four dogs, which are the greatest living creatures

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. Trains, but not in like the knowing the

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<v Speaker 1>model or history kind of way, pretending to not watch TV,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the hit Fox TV show nine one one, and

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<v Speaker 1>art crimes. Yes, those are four things I like. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any cool dog stories today, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been on a train lately, and I'm all caught up

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<v Speaker 1>on the stories. OA, so that leaves art crime nice.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta fresh you for me, I do. I really

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<v Speaker 1>liked telling you the tale of Elmer Dahorri Elmir. Excuse me. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was fantastic. There was something so compelling about someone

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<v Speaker 1>who had talent, someone who life had totally put behind

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<v Speaker 1>the eight ball, and someone who was so charming and

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted more than anything to be loved and valued. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved hearing about his criminal escapades. Today. I

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<v Speaker 1>have another Forger for you, right, he also has talent.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also rather audacious and charming, but he's not as

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<v Speaker 1>charming as Elmir of course. Um. You know how if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at an established artists Apple Music page, say,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Oasis, Okay, I don't know about theirs, though,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll have like their essentials, which is like the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>hitch and then then sometimes they'll have deep tracks, but

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<v Speaker 1>they also have both influences and inspired by and so

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. The inspired by collection for the band

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<v Speaker 1>is really good. Um. Anyway, if there wasn't inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>Elmer Dahorri track list Wolfgang or I should say Wolfgang,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say Wolfgang. I'll americanize it Bell Tracky, he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>right up there, okay. So Wolfgang Beltracky is an inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>for almerda hard Well, he would he was inspired by Elmire.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I got it backwards. Why there you go? So

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang Beltracky. He was born Wolfgang Fisher. Wolfgang Fisher picked

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<v Speaker 1>up Bell Tracky along the way. Well, you'll find out

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<v Speaker 1>in Hexta, Germany. Sure, I am gonna like you say

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<v Speaker 1>it like I know it. I'm butchering the hawkster with

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yes, so Hexta Hexta Yeah. In nineteen fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>His father was an artist. He was like a muralist.

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<v Speaker 1>He restored church frescoes. He's like the German Diego Rivera.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes so no, so Wolfgang Wolfie. He began painting when

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<v Speaker 1>he was ten, and when he was fourteen he painted

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<v Speaker 1>a piece copied from Pablo Picasso. After his father had

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<v Speaker 1>to ten to do the exact same thing. Like his

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<v Speaker 1>dad tries copying it. This is what he said. I

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<v Speaker 1>was fourteen and my father had given me a postcard.

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<v Speaker 1>I was allowed to use my father's oil paints for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. I didn't like the original I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was too sad, so I changed it, omitting a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of material and making the picture less monochromatic. The

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<v Speaker 1>painting took an afternoon. My father didn't touch a brush

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<v Speaker 1>again for the next two years. Oh my god, can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine that moment where the father like walks into

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<v Speaker 1>the room to see what he's done, and he's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>never mind, and it just goes into sadly puts his

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<v Speaker 1>brushes away. They get dusty for the next two years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just like wow. Right. So when he was seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang was expelled from high school and he'd quit art

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<v Speaker 1>school in Akin after four years studying there. Sure, so

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do when you quit art school? Go

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<v Speaker 1>to it T Tech where you can start learning to code.

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<v Speaker 1>No no clothes, You buy yourself a Harley Davidson, and

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<v Speaker 1>you become a nomadic hippie. Oh I like his choice. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So he travels throughout Europe, smoking hash, dropping acid with

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<v Speaker 1>US soldiers stationed at nearby NATO base on their way

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<v Speaker 1>home from Vietnam, you know, as they would have stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did he go as a nomad? Well, for a

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half. He crashed on a Moroccan beach

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<v Speaker 1>and he lived in the commune Choices. Oh yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the commune in Spain. He lived in a

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<v Speaker 1>houseboat in Amsterdam, and he ran a psychedelic light show

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<v Speaker 1>at the Paradiso nightclub there. I think what we have

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<v Speaker 1>established is is that under General Lisamo Francisco Franco Fascist,

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<v Speaker 1>Spain was a great place to do drugs. Apparently everybody

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<v Speaker 1>doing drugs in the seventies like, I gotta hit Spain. Yeah, anyway, going,

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<v Speaker 1>So he drifted around Barcelona, Paris, London. What did he

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<v Speaker 1>do in all those places, Well, he bought and sold paintings.

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<v Speaker 1>He founded antique markets, and his career as a forger

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<v Speaker 1>was born in those markets. One day he noticed a

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<v Speaker 1>wintry landscape painting of iced over as he saw that

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<v Speaker 1>it sold for a lot of money. But he found

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<v Speaker 1>that the ones with these kind of winter scenes made

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<v Speaker 1>more if there were ice skaters in the painting. So

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<v Speaker 1>with the Disney, He's like, are you know what you

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<v Speaker 1>need is some ice skaters? So he bought a set

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<v Speaker 1>of paintings for two hundred and fifty dollars each by

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<v Speaker 1>this unknown eighteenth century Dutch painter. He then painted ice

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<v Speaker 1>skaters into the winter landscape and he resold them for

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<v Speaker 1>a profit because like, ice skaters are big business or

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<v Speaker 1>something apprently, so he sitsuing. Like then he starts buying

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<v Speaker 1>these old wooden frames and he creates winter landscape paintings

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<v Speaker 1>with ice skaters in them, sold as works by old masters.

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<v Speaker 1>So he like had this technique where he would put

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff all over the painting and then scrape the

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<v Speaker 1>old paint off and then you know, make his own thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the eighties he really ramped up his forgery business.

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<v Speaker 1>He painted in waves, as he called them, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>whatever his needs were. Quote, sometimes I'd paint ten works

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<v Speaker 1>in a month, and then I'd go for six months

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<v Speaker 1>without doing any He's just yeah, he's take a little

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of your retirement when you can get it. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen ninety two, Wolfgang meets Helene BELTRACKI, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there it is progressive. So they were each living with

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<v Speaker 1>another partner when they met. Helene was with her longtime boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang lived with his ex girlfriend and their four year

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<v Speaker 1>old son. Okay, he met Helene because her boss was

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<v Speaker 1>backing a project of his using money made from his forgeries.

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<v Speaker 1>He bought an eighty foot sailboat and he hired a

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<v Speaker 1>five man crew all for this project. What was the project?

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<v Speaker 1>He was gonna do some plane air paintings and this

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<v Speaker 1>is something this would be right up your alley. He

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<v Speaker 1>was writing and filming a documentary about pirates. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I love this guy. He makes all the right choices.

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<v Speaker 1>So he planned to sail around the world. He was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go from Majorca to Madagascar, then to South

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<v Speaker 1>America because he wanted to follow the career paths of

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<v Speaker 1>all the pirates. Totally get into car. He was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go from Sir Francis Drake to the

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<v Speaker 1>South China season. So he's doing every he's going. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's covering the whole history. So Helene, she did not

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<v Speaker 1>find Wolfgang to be all heba hoba at first. She

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't into it. She thought he was a big mouth

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<v Speaker 1>as what she called him. So Wolfgang, he organized a

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<v Speaker 1>seminar series on sixteen millimeter film production as you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Helene attended spent some time with him, her mind gets changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfie goes from zero to hero. He is an artist. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what she said, quote, I saw that he

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<v Speaker 1>was an absolute perfectionist, intelligent, educated, and a totally open

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<v Speaker 1>social human being. So he just wins her over. By

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the week, she has dumped her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>and moved in with him. Wow, I like it. How's

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<v Speaker 1>that pirate documentary going? And you know whatever? Not great? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it served as so exactly, So the film

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<v Speaker 1>production it fell apart and the crew gets stranded in Maorca.

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang gave the boat away and and pay the crew. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it exactly, he's loose. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days after they first got together, Helene saw the paintings

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<v Speaker 1>that he had from all these famous artists, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>curious about him. Here's how she tells it. Quote I

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<v Speaker 1>asked him, are these actually real? And he said they're

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<v Speaker 1>all mine? I made him. I said, so you're an

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<v Speaker 1>art counterfeiter and he said, exactly, that's my work, that's

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<v Speaker 1>my metier. Obviously she's cool with it. Why is she

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<v Speaker 1>cool with it? Who knows? So anyway, Helene and Wolfgang

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<v Speaker 1>they get married in nineteen ninety three. Nine months later,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a daughter named Franziska, and Wolfgang took Helene's

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<v Speaker 1>last name, changing from Wolfgang Fisher to Wolfgang belt Truckey. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds cooler. It does sound cooler, and I'm imagining

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<v Speaker 1>as an artist. He's like, listen to the Ring of back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, completely. So Helene, she wasn't just cool with

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<v Speaker 1>the counterfeit paintings. She's like she wanted in on that lefe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, she's angry. She was all about fraud life.

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<v Speaker 1>So she reaches out to Lempert's major auction house in Cologne.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that she had a painting for sale by

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<v Speaker 1>the French cubist George Vamier and quote they sent their expert.

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<v Speaker 1>She looked for a few minutes, said it was wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>and then asked how much do you want for it?

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<v Speaker 1>So the lady bought it for twenty thousand Deutsche marks. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what Elaine said. The first time. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like being in a movie. It was like it

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with me. It was another person,

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<v Speaker 1>an art dealer whom I was playing. Everybody with the movies,

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<v Speaker 1>ye always with the movies of the movie. So she

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<v Speaker 1>just roll places. Sorry, doesn't even ever do crime and

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<v Speaker 1>think that they're in a play, you know, maybe pre movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a Eugeno Neal. I just felt like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's shocked at how easy this is. So she

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<v Speaker 1>said quote normally a person would think that these experts

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<v Speaker 1>would study the paintings and look for proof of its provenance.

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<v Speaker 1>The authenticator asked two or three questions. She was gone

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<v Speaker 1>in ten minutes. It was super easy. A year later,

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<v Speaker 1>that same forged Valnier sold at auction in New York

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<v Speaker 1>for a million dollars. Well you know there it is. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and their money easily parted. So nineteen ninety three, Helene

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<v Speaker 1>debuted her Fletch Time collection. Wolfgang would paint in his

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<v Speaker 1>studio while Helene, she had a sister named Jeannette, and

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<v Speaker 1>then another accomplice named Otto schulteke ketting house I'm destroying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they organized the sale of the paintings. Wolfgang

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<v Speaker 1>met Otto in a cafe. He introduced him to people

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<v Speaker 1>as Count Otto. What a great name, of course. Wolfgang

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<v Speaker 1>describes Otto as someone not really up on the art

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<v Speaker 1>world and its history and such, but like a quick learner, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so he takes him under his wing. He learned about

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<v Speaker 1>the forgery racket, totally on board. He's like count me in.

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<v Speaker 1>So Helene and her sister they went to auction houses

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<v Speaker 1>and they said that they inherited an art collection from

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<v Speaker 1>their father, Werner Yeagers. And according to them, Yeagers had

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<v Speaker 1>been a client of Alfred fletch Time, the famous Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>art gallery owner who lost his gallery to the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>So keep it mind that the Nazis looted more than

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and fifty thousand works of art there. I

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<v Speaker 1>it was like twenty percent of the art in Europe. Yeah, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are more than one hundred thousand pieces that

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been recovered or returned to the heirs of the owners.

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<v Speaker 1>So Wolfgang in Helene said that in order to save

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<v Speaker 1>his works from the grubby clutches of the Nazis, flesh

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<v Speaker 1>Time sold a bunch of the paintings to Yeager Helene's grandpa,

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<v Speaker 1>who then hid them in the Cologne Mountains for the

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<v Speaker 1>duration of World War Two. They had doctored photographs and

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<v Speaker 1>forged documents to back and claim. So there were experts

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<v Speaker 1>who also for a fee would back his staff. Experts

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<v Speaker 1>can always be bought exactly, and the auction houses they

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<v Speaker 1>were stoked to be able to get their hands on

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<v Speaker 1>all these old master works believed to time. So much

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<v Speaker 1>like Elmer Dhri, Wolfgang didn't copy existing works. He painted

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<v Speaker 1>quote in the style of designer impostor. It's harder to

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<v Speaker 1>question right well, and then the way he came up

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<v Speaker 1>with it is so genius. So the piece as he

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<v Speaker 1>created were then said to be works that had been

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the shuffle somewhere, whether missing pieces or one's

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<v Speaker 1>not known about until then. He created titles and different

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<v Speaker 1>motivation stories behind the creation of the piece in question.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what he said. Quote. Every philharmonic orchestra merely

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<v Speaker 1>interprets the composer. My goal was to create new music

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<v Speaker 1>by that composer. In doing so, I wanted to find

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<v Speaker 1>the painter's creative center and become familiar with it, so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could see through his eyes how his paintings

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<v Speaker 1>came about, and of course see the new picture I

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<v Speaker 1>was painting through his eyes before I even painted it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how that worked, you know, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're really good as an artist, and because I can

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<v Speaker 1>only speak as like a film student. Or it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you can eventually art to see how an editor would work,

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<v Speaker 1>how they would cut this, or how a composer would

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<v Speaker 1>score this, or I would director would want to move

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<v Speaker 1>on this and follow that. You get that sense. But

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<v Speaker 1>as an artist, it's such a two dimensional thing I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to about. Not that it's easier, but I

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<v Speaker 1>bet they could do that really well in that vision

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<v Speaker 1>like a crazy feeling, you know, like as a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm writing in the voice of a character created,

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<v Speaker 1>like you get into it and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>you're that person. Yeah, it's just flowing through you. You You

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<v Speaker 1>don't having to thank or you're in the what of

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<v Speaker 1>the flow state. But to have that two dimensional quality

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<v Speaker 1>imagines being able to put on lenses like imaginary lenses,

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<v Speaker 1>and also you can see the world like Picasso right

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<v Speaker 1>and exactly so, like he would study the catalogs of

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<v Speaker 1>existing works for artists, and he'd research their schools of practice.

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<v Speaker 1>But then what he did that was so smart is

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<v Speaker 1>that he looked at what was registered as having gone

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<v Speaker 1>missing during World War two. Brilliant and because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>there usually weren't reference images for the paintings just like

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<v Speaker 1>vague descriptions. So he's like, all right, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he's also pulling through their notes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like going into their diaries and trying to find them

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a thing. Oh, he did tons and tons

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<v Speaker 1>of research on it, and when he found a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of missing, missing piece of work, he would start painting

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<v Speaker 1>it based on whatever written narrative there was for it,

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<v Speaker 1>with knowledge of the artists uber So he's like any

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions that other people had at the time writing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's just filling in the gaps, and he was good.

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<v Speaker 1>The paintings were selling, the prices are going up and up.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what Wolfgang had to say about a max Ernst

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<v Speaker 1>painting that he did. Quote his widow, Dorothea Tanning, and

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<v Speaker 1>artist in her own right, said that one of my

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<v Speaker 1>forgeries was the most beautiful Max Ernst painting she had

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. The trick is to paint a picture that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist and yet that fits perfectly into an artist's

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<v Speaker 1>body of work. So exactly like Elmer. When we get

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<v Speaker 1>back from this break, I'll tell you other ways. Wolfgang's

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<v Speaker 1>criminal enterprise was pretty much like Elmer's. We're back, hey, Hey, o,

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang Beltrackey. Yeah, he's making fake pieces by famous artists.

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<v Speaker 1>He's using the Nazi theft of art from German Jews

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<v Speaker 1>and others to make cover for himself. There were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who were duped by him, auction houses

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<v Speaker 1>like Christie's and lem Parents. Art scholar Verner Spice. You're

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with it. Oh, of course, I used to get

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<v Speaker 1>the newsletter Experience Speaks were your favorite experienced art collectors

0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Reinhold Erth and Danielle Philipacchi the verse. Haven't called me

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<v Speaker 1>since that, you know, the incident, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that we could reconnect. I know, maybe therapy would

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<v Speaker 1>be good, sit down talk therapy. Yeah. Um, actor Steve Martin,

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<v Speaker 1>Banjoe Buddy Banjo Boys, Steve Martin. So, because it was

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<v Speaker 1>nearly impossible to trace these pieces, experts, mediators, purchasers, they

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<v Speaker 1>all got suspicious after a while. Remember Wolfgang and Helene.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that the pieces came from Helene's actual grandfather,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a wealthy industrialist, Werner Yeagers. So they said

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<v Speaker 1>that Yeagers had been friends with Alfred Flechteim in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties, and as we know, he's this German Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>art dealer. They said that Yeagers bought the paintings from

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<v Speaker 1>Flesh Time in order to save them from the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>The story, though, had holes. So in the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the big problem, Yeagers was actually a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi party. Well there is that he's not saving

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<v Speaker 1>it from himself. Yeah, he trying to pull the hole,

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<v Speaker 1>like I got pulled in, but I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say he's dead. And he also had no interest in

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<v Speaker 1>art in his life. It was completely doubtful that he

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<v Speaker 1>even knew flextime. Okay, So when people tried to call

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<v Speaker 1>him out on this, Volfgang and Helene, they pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>all these old photographs what they said were from the

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<v Speaker 1>twenties of Helene's grandmother, Josephine Yeagers, with the paintings in

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<v Speaker 1>question hanging on a wall in the background. They're like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come to find out these photos are fake. So

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<v Speaker 1>Helene would dress in period clothing and pose as her grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it. Wolfgang used an old camera and like pre

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<v Speaker 1>war developing paper to take these pictures. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>he said. Quote. We were asked if perhaps there were

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<v Speaker 1>some family photos in which the paintings could be seen. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course there were. I got myself an old camera

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<v Speaker 1>on one of those big cardboard things from the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as old film roles in larger's trays, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>I could find at the flea market. So he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can get you some pictures. They created fake labels

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<v Speaker 1>that stated that the paintings were from sam Lung flex Time,

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<v Speaker 1>the flex Time collection. So with the success of this collection,

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters did it again later with a second large

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<v Speaker 1>art collection, the Knops collection, and that was also collections.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but they had to like have oh why

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<v Speaker 1>we got this? So in this story, Knops was the

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather of Auto, the other four germ count Auto. Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So Count Otto has this grand father, Knops, who also

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<v Speaker 1>just dies ilected. His name is Count eight, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So Otto inherited the art collection upon his grandfather's death. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>where here we are, you know, more paintings. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Beltrackeys made a lot of money from these forgeries, and

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<v Speaker 1>they spent a lot of money. They spent seven million

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<v Speaker 1>euros on this enormous villa in Freiburg, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>town in southern Germany. If you're going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>a villa, right, Well, it took nineteen months to restore

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<v Speaker 1>this villa after they bought it. And while they were

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<v Speaker 1>having the restoration, they stayed in the penthouse suite of

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<v Speaker 1>the Columbia Hotel for seven hundred euros a night. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just ragging it up and their neighbors are like blown

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<v Speaker 1>away by these spending habits. They traveled, They went on

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<v Speaker 1>these shopping sprees. When the renovations on the villa were done,

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<v Speaker 1>they invited a hundred people to their housewarming party. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, it wouldn't be a proper villa warming

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<v Speaker 1>party without a four member flamenco band flown in from

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<v Speaker 1>Granada to sing and dance for the guests. It's only problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, I mean, come on doing this

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<v Speaker 1>or do what? Are we animals? M So they're living large.

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<v Speaker 1>But as is obvious from the fact that I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you about them, it didn't last. Oh I was worried

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<v Speaker 1>about this because you're telling me about them. It was

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<v Speaker 1>something small that took them down. Though. It was those

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<v Speaker 1>fake labels that would be their undoing. Oh. Interesting, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>experts were suspicious of their authenticity and considering the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they'd never seen labels such as these on any

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<v Speaker 1>other artworks prior. Oh yeah, that's and well they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like copy a label, they made a new right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the labels didn't compare in quality to Fletch Times labels. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And they also, like those labels, had a custom stamp

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<v Speaker 1>that was very recognizable. It would have been worth it

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<v Speaker 1>to them to buy an actual flex Time just to

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<v Speaker 1>get the stamp and then be able to exactly for

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of money that they're taken in. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>they're buying villas, you know, buy a flex Time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well there was on their label. There's like a weird

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<v Speaker 1>caricature of flex Time at Wolfgang Drew. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, um Ralph Jens, who was an expert, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>he did something no one had done before. He questioned

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<v Speaker 1>the labels. This is what he said, quote Fletch Time

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<v Speaker 1>was a connoisseur, a collector, a man of taste. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no way he would have permitted such a silly portrait.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just the caricature, Like this guy was serious.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did he have like a good girl. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>an observation. You're with your boy doctor doctor Bendor would

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<v Speaker 1>know yes, oh my god, Bendor, and I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>his last Yeah, he's like an English art story expert. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, he's the best. But he has just

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<v Speaker 1>the best lines for his reasoning. Oh yeah, he would

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<v Speaker 1>definitely do that with I don't believe it totally. So

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six, Wolfgang in Helene sold a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fourteen painting supposedly by Heinrich Compendonk called Red Picture

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<v Speaker 1>with Horses to a Maltese company, Tristeco, and Tristec commissioned

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<v Speaker 1>to art historians to inspect the work. They're like, why

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<v Speaker 1>are there ice skaters in this picture? So they confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the paint that was used didn't exist

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen Oh yeah, that's always a year it was

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly made. Wolfgang had purchased a tube of paint in

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<v Speaker 1>the Netherlands that contained titanium white and made mostly of

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<v Speaker 1>titanium dioxide. It was still in development when they were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saying that this painting was created. So Wolfgang

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<v Speaker 1>he blamed his desire for convenience on this slip up quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I had always used a zinc white, which was completely normal.

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<v Speaker 1>In Kampendoc's day. Yeah. Usually I mixed the paints myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was missing some pigments, so I took a

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<v Speaker 1>zinc white from a tube, a Dutch product, but unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't say that it contained a small amount of

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<v Speaker 1>titanium white. In other words, the whole thing was discovered

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<v Speaker 1>because of an incorrectly labeled tube. He's very facility. He

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<v Speaker 1>just got lazy. I think you can point that finger

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<v Speaker 1>right back this way. So in twenty ten, the buyer

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<v Speaker 1>painting filed a complaint with the District Court in Cologne

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<v Speaker 1>in order to be reimbursed for the purchase price two

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<v Speaker 1>point nine million euros. Yeah to hell, have a rebate, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a little chargeback on the card. Berlin State Criminal Police

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<v Speaker 1>got word of the forgeries, they launched an investigation. Forensics

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that the labels were made with a modern paper

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<v Speaker 1>to look old, and the glue was also modern. Zaren Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>close you, Oh yeah, I want you to picture it closed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's August twenty seven, twenty ten. You own Cologne, Germany's

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<v Speaker 1>hottest restaurant, Zarin House. It's terribly posh. It's super small,

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>known for our sculptures of salad. Zaren House. You recommend

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<v Speaker 1>the crudo, or maybe the roasted duck with wild spice,

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>strudel and beetroot. It's very good this time of yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You and the staff that you all wear patent leather jumpsuits.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, we all like to look very good.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we are seven fo it's your idea, No,

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>it was their idea. So your greeting guests, as they

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<v Speaker 1>approach the hostess to claim their reservations, incomes the Beltrackey family.

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<v Speaker 1>The goods. They're regulars, like, hey, guys, they spend well,

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:17.120
<v Speaker 1>they eat well. They're two teenage kids. Manuel and Franziska

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<v Speaker 1>are particularly adventurous eaters you've noted, so they enjoy this

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 1>wonderful meal and all the exquisite wines that you've recommended.

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 1>They get up to leave and you walk with them.

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 1>You're chatting about the weather and the plants that they

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 1>have for this fall. You hold the door to the

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>restaurant open for them as they file out. Just then

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you hear approaching sirens and the screeching of wheels. Five policemans,

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>lights and sirens ablaze, come careening up to the curb.

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Police jump out, armed with automatic weapons and police dogs.

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>The police order Wolfgang in Helene into a policeman. You

0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:01.199
<v Speaker 1>stand by a gog. Wolfgang tosses his car keys to Francesca.

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>The teens look at you, but you've already headed back inside.

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to go back because this is too much funny.

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>You don't need the trouble. Basically, so the kids look

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 1>at each other, they shrug, and they make their way

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>home alone in the family car. This is what Franziska said.

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 1>This is what the daughter said. We went back to

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the house and called a lawyer. I had no idea

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.199
<v Speaker 1>what this was about until I saw the news on

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>television and read it in the newspapers. Blissfully ignorant of this. Sorry,

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:34.479
<v Speaker 1>the television, I don't know. So Wolfgang in Helene. They

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>were in custody for fourteen months between the time of

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>their arrest and their trial in October of twenty eleven.

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>In jail, Wolfgang painted portraits of fellow inmates, and he

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and Helene wrote to each other what they say were

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>seven thousand to eight thousand pages in total, constant letter writing.

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>And it was during this time that Helene was diagnosed

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>with breast cancer. So they're just going through all this

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff In September of twenty eleven, the group went on

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>trial in Cologne, Germany. Wolfgang in Helene, Helene's sister Jeanette,

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and Otto count Otto about my man count eight. There

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>were fourteen works of art that were confirmed as forgeries, okay,

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and those had earned them twenty one million dollars hot damn.

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>And there were another thirty three pieces that were supposedly

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>by all these other artists that Camp and Docmax Earnst

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>they're under investigation as well. Wolfgang loves an audience, so

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>when he was called to the stand, he gave more

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of a soliloquy than a confession, because they've cut this deal.

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 1>If you confess, then will reduce the sentence. So he

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 1>regaled them with stories of his wild youth, and he

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>went on. He went after the arrogance and greed of

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the art world. He also said the whole thing was

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>quote great fun exactly. And then he did this post

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>trial interview with Vanity fair as you do. He said

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>he was thrilled to share how he was able to

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>like dash off these paintings that he would later sell

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>for millions. Quote, I did in three or four hours,

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes even faster. So he's just whipping these that's amazing,

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and it really kind of it's not an insult to

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the great masters, but it kind of puts into perspective

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>how long some of their stuff might have taken, you know. Well,

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's interesting because it's like they put all of

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>this thought and development into it and then he just

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of swoops in after and it's like the table's

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>already been set. Yeah, you know, he's just going to

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>tinker around a little bit. It's just basically an artistic

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>fax machine at that point. Pretty much. Now, when we

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 1>get back from this break, I'm going to tell you

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>how Wolfgang's inflated ego worked out for him in terms

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>of sentencing. Oh, Zaren Elizabeth, Welcome to my crime flop house. Dude.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm really liking this ever since you left the crime

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Dojo and you got this new crime floppers I mean,

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>everything's well, it's a lot dirtier. I gotta say, well, there,

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get scabies from sitting on that, so yeah,

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure already have that. But I like you

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>apparently a lot more time to yourself now that you're

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>not cleaning all the time exactly. That's nice. I have

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a busy on the go lifes. So October twenty eleven

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>there was a forty day trial Wolfgang Beltrockey. He gets

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to six years, Helene gets sentenced to four. Both

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of these sentences were in open prisons. What does that mean.

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>It meant that they went to work outside during the

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>day and then check back in each night. So that's

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 1>like beyond work furlough because they just did their thing. Yeah,

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>so they're basically they just have to sleep in a prison. Yes, exactly,

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>it's like a hotel. They just have a really crappy hotel.

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>That was their prison sentence. So they would like meet

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>up at the studio in the morning, hang out work

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>until it was time to get in separate cars, and

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>then make their way back to prison. They would literally

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>drive next to each other on the freeway and then

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>one would have to get off in an exit and

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>they'd wave to each other. Are you kidding me? I'm

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>not kidding you. Wow, Europeans approach to prison, I mean

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I wish we had this type of approach to prison

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>for the non violent effects the world. Well, this is

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>what the judge said. Quote to clear up any confusion,

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Mister Beltrocky has agreed to take back all his forgeries

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and return them to their owners, signed this time with

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>his own name. Some slacks the right name on these things,

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>so Wolfgang, Um, he agreed to paint only in his

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>own name moving forward. No, wait with Steve, you said

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Steve Martin was one of his victims. Yeah, did he

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>come forward in this like, I don't know. I was

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>wondering if he was like angry about it, because he

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>seems a little prickly sometimes. Yeah, I know it doesn't he? Yeah? Yeah,

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>God bless him. Um, So he said I can They

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>told him you can only paint in your own name

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>going forward, because it goes back to remember with elmir

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it was like, did you actually signed it? That's whole

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>thing about a forgery is if you if you don't

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>sign it to deceive exactly. So it's the signature that

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>makes the forgery. Um. And then he also had to

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 1>move from Germany to France. They just like kicked him

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>out of Germany. You're out of here, buddy, I mean,

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I bet you ran this by like this law about

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>copyright law and having to put your name on a painting.

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>If you ran that by a sovereign citizen, they probably

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>lose their mind because it's all about the law and

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the name. Like, this is what happened? Man? Did they

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>take your name and that's your identity? You're like, oh, brother,

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>this is great. Keep going. Oh my god, I love

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>sovereigns like in the abstract. Sorry, so Bell Tracky right

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>he um, oh, I forgot to tell you otto he

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>got five years and Jeanette got a twenty one month

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>suspended sentence. Oh so she doesn't even have to sleep

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>in prison. No, she just has to wear like a

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>cool bracelet. Um. So after he got out of prison,

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Bell Tracky admitted in all these interviews that he actually

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>forged maybe fifty different artists. He's like, there were a

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>lot more, Buddy. I like how he just keeps wanting

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to flex something. But totally. He also just took me

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>at ten minutes they had in ballpark. How many did

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you sell? He's like, I don't know, thousand, two thousands

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>could be, but he wouldn't disclose the exact number or

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like the locations of This is what he said in

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>an interview. He said, wouldn't it be the height of

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>vanity if I were to tell you now where the

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>paintings could still be hanging. So I mean there's some

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>still out there. Oh you know that in the Houston Museum. Three.

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>The magazine says, this isn't exactly what one imagines as

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a full confession, Wolfgang, Wait a minute, I made a

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>confession about the paintings that were the subject of the trial.

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Aside from that, if the police had asked me at

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:33.959
<v Speaker 1>the time, I would have told them where the paintings were,

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 1>at least as far as I knew. That's on the cops. Yeah,

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>they missed the boat on that had me on the stand.

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>So it was pretty much acknowledged that the galleries, the

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>auction houses, they all turned a blind eye to pretty

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>obvious clues. We keep hearing this, Oh well there. It

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just fake labels. They were misspelled names and like

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>frames that didn't match the pictures that were supposed to

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>be made out of the same wood. The money was

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>too good though for everyone involved. Well, I was just

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>like a target print you get for a dorm room.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>They've been painted over. It was like one of those

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>kids in the big hats, like holding a rose. So

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>they could increase the value though tenfold, between buying from

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Helene and then selling it at auctions, so of course

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to pass it up. That's what I

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>keep saying. This is what journalist Henrik van Spresshart said,

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a little more detective work at the right time could

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>have exposed the so called yagers and knops collections. But

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>something in the art market seems to resist, almost hysterically,

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>any discussion or disclosure ranks. They're like, how do you

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>think we move all this money? Come on now, so

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang he accused the galleries and the art houses of

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.479
<v Speaker 1>being consumed with quote greed and depravity in their mission

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>to acquire these high dollar pieces. Per der Spiegel, German

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>news magazine, quote doubts are bad for business. A dealer

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 1>who buys a painting for one hundred thousand euros but

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>knows that he can sell it for two hundred thousand

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>or three hundred thousand euros post doesn't want to ask

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>too many questions about its origin. So you got from

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>every angle everyone's pointing out like this is all big racket.

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>We all know. As long as everyone gets their beak wet,

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>no one cares, right, But you know, there were those

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>who paid high non monetary costs thanks to the fraud

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>reputations were damaged. Oh so art scholar Andrea Ferminich of

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>bon She was called to examine a supposed compendanc piece.

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, it should be stated that Compendonk produced over

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 1>twelve hundred works. Damn well, factory Compendonk. Yeah, there are

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.359
<v Speaker 1>so it's like really easy to say, like this could

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 1>have been lost in the shuffle. But there were also

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>two other experts who were called in to look at

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the same piece. This is what she said, quote no

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>expert is immune from mistakes. The damage to my person

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>is so big that I'm not able to say anything

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>quote official. The damage for the experts of art is

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>so enormous, and the public understanding of BELTROCKI as a

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>hero so absurd that I hope you can understand my opinion.

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Another one, your buddy Werner Spice. He was another casualty

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of it. He was referred to as one of the

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>most influential art historians of the twentieth century. Sky was huge.

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 1>He was a friend to both Max Ernst and Pablo Picasso,

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and he was an expert on both of their catalogs

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of work. So Wolfgang comes along, DUP's Spice gets him

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>to issue certificates of authenticity for five works that were

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>supposedly by Ernst. One of the certificates was for the

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>fake Lafouette Deum Spice put controversial Swiss art dealer Eve's Bouvier.

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we all know about his kind in contact

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>with Helene and so they sold the piece to a

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>private company for two point three million dollars and the

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>painting was then sold to New York publisher Daniel Philippacci

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>for seven million. Wow. Yeah. In two thousand and four,

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Spice authentic hated an alleged Max Ernst painting tromblemndetail, and

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the painting was sold to a collector for more than

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 1>six hundred and fifty thousand euros. And then in May

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>of twenty thirteen, Spice was convicted in order to payback

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>that collector. Huh so. The decision, though, was overturned by

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the Court of Appeal of Versailles. They stated that Spies

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>had quote expressed an opinion outside of the determined transaction unquote,

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and could not therefore be quote charged with a responsibility

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>equivalent to that of an expert consulted in the context

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of a sale. Quite understands that basically saying, in his

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>professional capacity he was he wasn't doing as part of

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the actual sale itself. So the court said that a

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 1>quote cannot be required of the author of a catalog

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Reisen to subject each work in a catalog published under

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>his responsibility to the execution of a scientific expert assessment,

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>which requires the removal of fragments of the work and

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 1>represents a significant cost. Okay, so they're basically saying he

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>did go up to this this criteria, and no one

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>expected them because he didn't say that. He didn't say

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I analyzed it right. And while he may have created

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 1>this catalog reison, they for Ernst, Yeah, he just based

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>on looking at it. How could he have known you'd

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>actually have to like, that's how good. It's more of

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a curatorial catalog exactly. So Spicy ended up facing a

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>civil lawsuit for certifying seven Max Ernst paintings. It turned

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>out to be faked. So rich people are suing him.

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and it totally tarnished this reputation that he

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>had built over more than half a century. In twenty fourteen,

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.799
<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang in Helene, they collected those letters that they'd sent

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>each other and had them published into a book. Oh wow,

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 1>So they did like a whole letters between Henry Miller

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and Annias and Inn and they also wrote an autobiography. Yeah,

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>they're a little duly because of course I got to

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 1>write a book. It's what you do in prison, Elizabeth,

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you write books. But how look how fun it was

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>until you got to like the people whose careers they Yeah,

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I know. This is the one thing is like, you know,

0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>meach as long as people aren't getting hurt by a crime.

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't crime, but people are getting hurt by this

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>crime was like Sokom when these like rich people fall

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>for it. But then yeah, at least yeah, well the exam.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind separating a fool from their money if

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.839
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't actually hurt the fool, right, true, I will,

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I will say that every time. So a documentary about

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the couple was made in twenty fourteen called Beltracky The

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Art of Forgery. It got a German Film Award for

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<v Speaker 1>Best Documentary. It was by Arnip Birkenstock. No, his father

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Ryanhart Birkenstock, founder of the shoe company. No, it was

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>legal counsel for the Beltracky's. Wait a minute, so their

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 1>lawyer's kid made a documentary and they were all wearing Burkey.

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not an easy documentary to track down, but thanks

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to my library card, and if you don't have one,

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's wrong with you. I was able

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to watch it through Canopy, which is a nap or

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>canopy dot com. So in it, Wolfgang waxes about the

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Fauvis and how they went to the south of France

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.479
<v Speaker 1>and they painted things that no one had ever painted before,

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>in a way that no one had painted, capturing light

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and the way people hadn't seen it. And so he

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.919
<v Speaker 1>talks about how much he would have loved to be there,

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>as if it's only time that prevents him from doing

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 1>something wholly new. You know, he's like, God, if I

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>were there, I could have been one of these guys,

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like seeing these modern takes on everything. Oh well, I

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>can't go back in time, ally, buddy, look around right,

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.399
<v Speaker 1>how about you try it now? Hit a brand new

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>moment right now, here's rom dos. He'll explain it to you.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So he's really boastful about his skills. He said, quote,

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing I couldn't paint. I could paint anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when he's asked about all the various old masters

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and like classical artists, that he could replicate. He affirms

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>each one listed to him, even quote, I could paint

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a new Leonardo. He calls him like simple, like oh Leonardo.

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.720
<v Speaker 1>So I like that after he took down his father

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>as an artist, no artist was said anybody I'll take

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>down You will take down your father. Well, the craziest

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>part about the documentary is that the crew follows both

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Wolfgang and Helene as they spend the day in the

0:39:57.600 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>studio and then buzz off back to jail in the evening.

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 1>That's how I got to see them driving next to

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>each other. You actually got to see them do it. Yes,

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Why does he do in the studio all day? Pretty

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>much what he was always doing. So he gets these old,

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>mediocre paintings, he strips them down to the canvas, paints

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a forgery, ages it artificially, like there's one he gets

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>this canvas from Barcelona, and he's like shoving lint and

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>dust and dirt behind the canvas stretcher so that if

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>someone were to look down. He recreates taking those phony

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 1>pictures from the twenties down to even creating a makeshift

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 1>parlor for his wife to sit in, posing in front

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of the fakes. So I suppose he's doing that for

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 1>the film crew, but it's like, this is what you're

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>out of jail doing, like faking it up. So anyway,

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>he goes to this dinner party and one of his

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>friends said that he heard a rumor that Wolfgang had

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>invested in quote ocular prosthetics in the United States. Ocular prosthetics.

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.320
<v Speaker 1>It's a little too close to Baron Bruno right right

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>on other ocular prosthetic is a glass of one of

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 1>our old episodes. A little too close for comfort, I say. So.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 1>He paints portraits of other inmates when he's in jail,

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and they all seem to want him to learn to tattoo,

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 1>and he declined. One of the when he's declining, there's

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>a really uncomfortable moment when Wolfgang talks about how if

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>he tattooed the guys that art collectors would want to

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.800
<v Speaker 1>take their skin when they die, worse than the banks.

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 1>We would take this wall. Wait, the dude that he's

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.879
<v Speaker 1>painting says, I'd make it into a lampshade. Oh, now,

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>if you're German, you may want to be careful about

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that kind of ref more than may. So it's so uncomfortable. Anyway,

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>what's Wolfgang doing Now, um, let's see he is in

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>crypto coin. You're so close? Oh really? Well he does

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>speaking engagement and then he creates work under his own

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 1>name NFTs. Ah, I should have gone one step over

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 1>on the scams. I know. In twenty twenty one, he

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>released a series of NFTs called The Greats, and he

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>reimagined Leonardo da Vinci's Salvador Mundi in the style of

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>other artists like Vincent van Gogh and Andy Warhol. That's interesting.

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 1>So he does like a master work and then has

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 1>all the other master painters do this master work their way. Well,

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a promotional like an MTV kind of thing, kind

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of Yeah, there's a promotional video for it that says, quote,

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 1>armed with over sixty years of experience, he is the

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>only person who has the crucial knowledge and skills to

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>pull this off. The armed. Yeah, he's armed and dangerous.

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 1>They add that the NFTs will see him quote become

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>part of history himself. Yeah. You love these hype things,

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Like the people get paid to write these things. I

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.319
<v Speaker 1>just like I want to pat them on the back.

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Look at you, you you can paid nonsense. Now here's my takeaway. Sure,

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I like to cheer on the forgers, but I feel

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>bad for the authentic. Yeah. And also, our researcher Andrea

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>sent me a great Pablo Picasso quote. If the counterfeit

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 1>were a good one, I should be delighted. I'd sit

0:42:56.280 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 1>down straight away and sign it. Oh yes, I've heard yeah,

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>which it makes me wonder what the artists themselves would

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>make of all this. I think Picasso, you know, yeah,

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>like I'll take that joint. Zarin, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>It's wild because like we've we've covered some of this,

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>which is that you have like a painter like Picasso

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>who is literally stealing his imagery from other works of

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>art and other people just don't know about, which isn't

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>counterfeit because that's the whole inspiration aspect. So the fact

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that these other painters, like it's not that he's like lazy,

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 1>because he's doing all kinds of work well, and it's

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>like every kind of style. It's not even like oh

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I only do modernists or I only you know, he's

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>all over the place. But there's like one switch that

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>just gets kicked over in the wrong direction and then

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden he just does all of this

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff as opposed to like taking all this abundant talent,

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and as we talked about looking around the world and

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 1>finding something, you know, commenting on that visually with his

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>own visual language. He's right there and he's like, Nah,

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather be a jukebox machine of art and I'll

0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>just play this hint, I'll playing that hitt, and I'll

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 1>just keep putting my own buttons. Well. And we've talked

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>about this before, the difference between like artists and artisan

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>basically like are you a draftsman or are you an artist?

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>So that's it. That's all I have. Volve's gang. I

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>did like that he took his wife's name. That is

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Cool, Yeah, good for him. That's all I

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