Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this week's wind Down, we have Ali Landry coming on.
Speaker 1: You guys heard her story, by the way, I haven't, No,
Speaker 1: I've heard pieces of her story. She's a former Miss USA.
Speaker 1: She's stunning too. She's beautiful, but she's like an on
Speaker 1: a mission to do good works for the world too,
Speaker 1: which I love, world peace, world peace. She's like she
Speaker 1: had um she dated Mario Lopez, right, yeah, they were engaged.
Speaker 1: Oh uh huh okay, and no Ac Slater forever got
Speaker 1: it noted? So she did not marry Mario. No, why
Speaker 1: didn't they get married? Uh? Yeah, we know it's out there. Well,
Speaker 1: it's hard because it's like he's a friend, got it,
Speaker 1: got it out in okay? You know. But I think,
Speaker 1: like we had said in the last episode, I think
Speaker 1: people can change. I don't think once a cheat are
Speaker 1: always a cheater. Got okay, and there you have it,
Speaker 1: and there we have it. I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's so hard too. I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: remember when they got engaged, but I can't imagine being
Speaker 1: so famous too and just having everything at your fingertips.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: like it's Temptation Island, right, Yeah, yeah, for sure. He's
Speaker 1: so well known well and you know any Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you look at remember that the Hugh Grant and
Speaker 1: who was that Hugh Grant and Elizabeth what is her name?
Speaker 1: I mean supermodel? Yes, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: He didn't he have an affair on her too when
Speaker 1: they were married. Yeah, So I feel like it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where, I mean, that's why always hate,
Speaker 1: like how could they get cheated on? I'm like, anybody
Speaker 1: can get cheated It's anybody, anybody. But I do love
Speaker 1: what she's doing. But no her Alilander's father in law
Speaker 1: found dead in Mexico sixteen days after kidnapping with her. So,
Speaker 1: the father in law and brother in law we're found
Speaker 1: dead in Mexico roughly two weeks after after they were kidnapped.
Speaker 1: I know they both sustained traumatic brain injuries and had
Speaker 1: been dead for several days when they were discovered in
Speaker 1: the rural area. But I mean I can't even I mean,
Speaker 1: can you even imagine no, no, out of their home.
Speaker 1: That's so scary because I know when they say that, um,
Speaker 1: like they say like don't go outside of the resorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's like you know, yeah, I wouldn't. I don't
Speaker 1: really like to deal like to got other resorts in Mexico, no, ma'am,
Speaker 1: because I'm not when I go to Mexico or I
Speaker 1: know those places, I'm like, I like the resort and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like Mexico is bad, like Cabo. I
Speaker 1: mean there's that one place in Cabo we like to
Speaker 1: go that like Flora something. But oh, I just don't
Speaker 1: really honestly leave resorts anywhere. Like I'm kind of like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm good right here, just cozy and cozy and where
Speaker 1: we're at like if. But I just think in that
Speaker 1: area like the Mexico And again, I don't want to
Speaker 1: like talk bad about Mexico. I also just have heard
Speaker 1: how I'm going to Jamaica in May. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay on there. I did, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even like when Sarah and I went to
Speaker 1: the Caribbeans, I just get scared leaving the resort for
Speaker 1: some reason, even though it's like they say it's super safe.
Speaker 1: You guys, know who are you talking to? So she
Speaker 1: had great loss. She loses a father in law and
Speaker 1: so was the brother in law like around the same
Speaker 1: time that she kind of started. Well, that's my question
Speaker 1: for her actually without triggering, But I have a couple
Speaker 1: of questions about that, because I'm really fascinated. She's created
Speaker 1: this whole brand around reshaping your Life, and I'm it
Speaker 1: seems pretty women focused from what I can understand. So
Speaker 1: I'm just really fascinated to know. I have a couple
Speaker 1: of questions actually, But her book is called Reshape your Life,
Speaker 1: Don't settle because you are worth it. So we'll take
Speaker 1: a break and then we'll get her on before we
Speaker 1: get Ali on the what's up with the therapy? Not trusting?
Speaker 1: So not only do I just not trust men, but
Speaker 1: I don't trust a lot of people. Yep, we got
Speaker 1: them and um, yesterday we have like a deep dive
Speaker 1: into that. From a very early age, it feels like
Speaker 1: I wasn't super nurtured to trust myself because reality was
Speaker 1: always questioned, my reality versus the family's reality. And so
Speaker 1: I I am so sure about so much, but I
Speaker 1: still will second guess myself. Interesting why because from very
Speaker 1: early on what I knew to be true wasn't What
Speaker 1: was their truth huh oh, that's interesting. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: in like reality versus reality versus reality. I bet i'd
Speaker 1: have a little bit of that too if I got
Speaker 1: dug with like other family members. Yeah, And it was
Speaker 1: really sweet because Amy's like, I really want to dig
Speaker 1: with you, and I want to get to like a
Speaker 1: good place with this, but I also want to do
Speaker 1: that like really quickly before your baby's born, right because
Speaker 1: I just don't we can't be doing this like postpartum
Speaker 1: and exhausted and totally agree. So it'll just be like
Speaker 1: a very intense few weeks, I think. But I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird when you get to this kind
Speaker 1: of place. I feel like I get excited to just
Speaker 1: dig and like untangle. Sure, and I'm at that place.
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of people reach out to
Speaker 1: me about us, talking about like our age and like
Speaker 1: when we argue or have things in these moments, how
Speaker 1: we go back to our childhood age or whatever. I
Speaker 1: just so many people reach out to me about that,
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm still trying to figure out my
Speaker 1: age though, figure out to do it at therapy, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I just go em DR. Most likely that's when
Speaker 1: like it'll pinpoint out that's not like an online quiz,
Speaker 1: you know, like any pagram. Well, I can remember different
Speaker 1: specific thing that we're so like, you know, memorable obviously,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't know. Well, it's interesting because
Speaker 1: I'm like a very assertive person, but I also just
Speaker 1: want everyone to feel like loved on, and so I'm
Speaker 1: very like we had a situation at a friend dinner
Speaker 1: the other night where I can knew that there was
Speaker 1: like a group there was two people that were like
Speaker 1: having a minute, and then I get like, I sit
Speaker 1: in the middle and make sure I bridge the gap
Speaker 1: because I don't was that me well times with Anna,
Speaker 1: good for you bridging that gap. But you know, like
Speaker 1: that is and some of that is great, Like Amy
Speaker 1: is like, some of that is just that's a natural,
Speaker 1: like good nurtury thing. And she's like, but sometimes like
Speaker 1: maybe not that situation exactly, but she's like, and there's
Speaker 1: some situations where it's okay to just like let it
Speaker 1: fall apart, but you don't want it to fall like
Speaker 1: you have a hard time not and that Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: well it has been since I was any biddie. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: so that is interesting. That leads me to something else.
Speaker 1: Where with that do you feel like you because you're
Speaker 1: so you're bridging the gap right between other people's feelings.
Speaker 1: So then when I had a situation where I I
Speaker 1: don't want anyone, didn't feel uncomfortable or the person. So
Speaker 1: it's like I like, I then insert to to just
Speaker 1: how do I say this, um without like telling the
Speaker 1: exact story. I don't know. I tried to and then
Speaker 1: you busted me. Well, no, this is a different story.
Speaker 1: But this is like I I never want anyone, Okay,
Speaker 1: so um, maybe this is helpful. But one thing I
Speaker 1: love is that you'll nip things like you won't. You're
Speaker 1: not like a You're not a mean girl like we
Speaker 1: get in a situation you'll grab somebody and pull. No, no,
Speaker 1: you're not anymore. No. Well, there was times where you'd
Speaker 1: be like I'll stand in my corner, she can stand
Speaker 1: in hers. But I've seen you specifically just like pull
Speaker 1: someone aside and say like, hey, like I just want
Speaker 1: you to know whatever, I didn't do that the other
Speaker 1: night though, Well you didn't need to say. That's where
Speaker 1: I normally would go because I want to feel like
Speaker 1: I have to say sorry for something that I didn't do.
Speaker 1: You didn't need to say sorry, but I would in
Speaker 1: the past to then have the situation not be awkward,
Speaker 1: because it was awkward, right, But I wanted her to
Speaker 1: go I'm sorry if that was because I felt like
Speaker 1: maybe she should have him been like I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: This was just a little like stressful and like whatever,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, girl, no worries, it
Speaker 1: all squashed. Yeah, But then I'm like, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I need to go say sorry. I didn't you
Speaker 1: actually didn't need to, and I was like proud of
Speaker 1: myself for not but then I also didn't like how
Speaker 1: it felt to have that, Like but it's also like
Speaker 1: a birthday party, and it's like we don't need to
Speaker 1: be like having therapy in the corner either. Like that's
Speaker 1: where I also go, okay, maybe another time, another place, right,
Speaker 1: Like this doesn't need to be do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Though, I like, you just don't want the
Speaker 1: negative and I don't like the energy, so I'll just
Speaker 1: be like I'll fall on a sword or or I'll
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, it's only non swords used to
Speaker 1: be my pastime, and I'm curious about your other story
Speaker 1: though I know, well it kind of like it. It
Speaker 1: goes kind of along the similar lines of that dinner,
Speaker 1: but just making sure that everyone's having a good time.
Speaker 1: And when I feel that maybe someone's not having a
Speaker 1: good time, I then like get more like anxious to
Speaker 1: like make a stronger blend. That makes sense, Yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why do it? Why shouldn't Why am
Speaker 1: I putting my own uncomfortable feelings on somebody else? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't know why what, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I used to care a lot about that, but that
Speaker 1: made me good at a lot of my jobs. Like
Speaker 1: I used to work in the record business, and so
Speaker 1: that was like, that was such a good trait to
Speaker 1: have for that season of life. Sure, and then I
Speaker 1: learned it no longer serves me. I'm oxygen mask on
Speaker 1: myself before assisting others. Right, oh yeah, good points. So
Speaker 1: now I'm just like, Okay, well, I'm I'm the girl
Speaker 1: that's texting you. Sorry you feel that way, I'm really not.
Speaker 1: But if someone texts you I'm sorry you feel that way.
Speaker 1: After you said I feel like these messages are quite aggressive,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you feel that way. You're done, You're dead
Speaker 1: to me. Hey, guys, this is where I like have
Speaker 1: a hard time because I'm like, just pick up the
Speaker 1: freaking phone and say, hey girl, things are getting crazy.
Speaker 1: You need to hear my voice say I'm sorry. This
Speaker 1: is not how it's so nipped. I think the text
Speaker 1: that being said my husband used to I think I've
Speaker 1: said this before. My husband used to come to me
Speaker 1: after we fought, and he would say I'm sorry we fought. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that is not an apology. What is
Speaker 1: that that much interesting? It would bother me, But I see,
Speaker 1: I see, because it's not even you wasted a whole sentence.
Speaker 1: You just wasted one that's worthless to me. Get out
Speaker 1: of here. Hey it's communicating, but is it not real?
Speaker 1: It's a spaceholder. It's just a little taking any accountability
Speaker 1: or asking what can I do different? Or no, but
Speaker 1: you can be. It should have been i'm sorry, we fought,
Speaker 1: and right right right, there should be more to it. It
Speaker 1: It should always sounds like an opening to me for
Speaker 1: the kid. It's not i'm sorry, period, it's i'm sorry
Speaker 1: we fought. Yeah, it's not a health thing to do
Speaker 1: this better. It's one sentence. Yeah, noa I hear you
Speaker 1: on that? Okay, Well, I'm glad we're in agreement. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: we fought cat. Okay, so can you guys. I want
Speaker 1: to do something kind of fun. Okay, and young oh
Speaker 1: I need it. So Maggie came here. She's like, is
Speaker 1: it me? So come sit, come sit, come sit over here.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what's happening. You want her? Where
Speaker 1: do you want her? No, it's I like it here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know. Maggie thinks we're soothing to listen to. I
Speaker 1: want to quote that. Let's let's sweeze in just a
Speaker 1: little big but no, you did not. You're good. Okay,
Speaker 1: So one seat over here. Okay, we'll caught all that piece. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to do something a little fun because
Speaker 1: I okay, this this kind of drives me semi nuts.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the brainy people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: gotta get on TikTok. And I'm like, I, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: on TikTok, but I don't know what to do and whatever.
Speaker 1: So Maggie. We met sweet Maggie at an event and
Speaker 1: she's young, she's fresh, she's hip, and she came up
Speaker 1: with this really cool idea. Do you want to tell
Speaker 1: them about what you want to do on Broadway for
Speaker 1: wine down? Oh boy, I would love to. Um. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: obviously this podcast is very about relationships. You talk about
Speaker 1: a lot of different things that a lot of young
Speaker 1: people are either going through in real time or in
Speaker 1: real time making the mistakes that you guys talk about
Speaker 1: and like try and avoid things like that. Maggie, Maggie,
Speaker 1: I really like you. I feel younger just because you're
Speaker 1: with us. To take a deep breath, Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: was like ran up the stairs, but okay, anyway, So
Speaker 1: my idea is that some time on Broadway every weekend,
Speaker 1: I am that girl that I meet so many girls,
Speaker 1: and literally, like I watched mistake after mistake, I am
Speaker 1: sometimes involved in them. But I thought you guys, like
Speaker 1: we could pose a question and we could hit the
Speaker 1: streets of Broadway and find girls just random, you know,
Speaker 1: if we like their outfit, we'll talk to them whatever
Speaker 1: gets us connected, and we'll ask them a question, and
Speaker 1: then you guys talk about it and you kind of
Speaker 1: like how would you act in that moment and how
Speaker 1: would you deal with it? Now, So Maggie's in a
Speaker 1: record the question and then we're gonna play it on here.
Speaker 1: So like some mondays we'll be like, all right, Maggie
Speaker 1: was live on the streets and Broadway, and we've got
Speaker 1: a you know, someone from Indiana asking us about whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, because usually we just get DM sent to us.
Speaker 1: But this way, it's like, if you see Maggie on
Speaker 1: the streets in Broadway, Maggie in the field, we'll come
Speaker 1: up a really good name. Yeah, so clearly that's not
Speaker 1: one that she liked. Okay, Maggie, how old are you?
Speaker 1: Just for record, I'm twenty one. You are job of fetus. No,
Speaker 1: this is a fetus tunny. You're beautiful and you have
Speaker 1: great energy. Thank you. Yeah, I really like you. I'm
Speaker 1: excited for you to be Maggie in the Field or
Speaker 1: whatever name you think is better. I think it was
Speaker 1: something on Broadway, like Maggie on Broadway or like where
Speaker 1: it's like. But again, like, okay, well, if this is
Speaker 1: wine Down, what shouldn't it be like wind up, wind up,
Speaker 1: I don't know, wind up on Maggie, Maggie, Maggie Broadway. Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy, let us know what this is like a whiteboard,
Speaker 1: off the record, I'll put a question on the Wine
Speaker 1: Down Podcast Instagram and you guys leave us your thoughts
Speaker 1: boom and so I don't know, just like whenever you
Speaker 1: find yourself down there, you're gonna just video. And then
Speaker 1: when we're recording on a normal weeks, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a little segment Maggie something something clear. We will
Speaker 1: not be on Broadway, you guys. When it was first
Speaker 1: brought up, I was like, I had a moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, how do we do that? How am
Speaker 1: I on Broadway once a week? Like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I can hang, but I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: For Maggie, I think you guys could hang. I think
Speaker 1: you could hang at least maybe once every other month.
Speaker 1: That could be fun. I think you guys need Oh,
Speaker 1: I think that'd just be great content anyway. No, I
Speaker 1: think you know wind Doown needs to get wind Up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wind Up on Broadway? Yeah, I like that. And then
Speaker 1: also I'm thinking, like for Cmas, like maybe we do
Speaker 1: a live podcast like somewhere downtown, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and grab some people from the streets. They can ask
Speaker 1: some questions like the whole thing. So we're going to
Speaker 1: manifest that. Okay, that's and then Maggie's gonna go do
Speaker 1: her work on Broadway and then you'll report back to us.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so excited, Maggie. You're like a
Speaker 1: whole new element. I'm here for this, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it has to be like all ages and maybe even dudes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Oh, I think dudes for sure.
Speaker 1: I think they are probably the ones that the more help.
Speaker 1: I think, well, you really feel, Maggie. There's about a
Speaker 1: twenty year gap between us, and I I just want to say, amen, Um,
Speaker 1: I could be Maggie's mother, just so we're clear, but
Speaker 1: I do Um. I think you're right, And I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Like even when we're out on wine, down
Speaker 1: on the streets, like on tour, I feel like guys
Speaker 1: actually have questions and they're a little like more anxious
Speaker 1: to ask in person or like anxious to just write
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I think this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be surprised how many sweet gentlemen
Speaker 1: have some inquiring minds out there. Yeah, for sure, I
Speaker 1: think that it would be very interesting. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: you get a couple of drinks, you feel a bit
Speaker 1: more relaxed, more loose, and I think the questions will
Speaker 1: be very interesting. We need to keep a blooper real
Speaker 1: as well, because I have a feeling like a little collaboration,
Speaker 1: like a little This feels very sex and city to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm here for it for a season. Dives on
Speaker 1: carry that's tough, tough, tough. It's okay, Maggie, it's okay.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and then we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about our guests that it's coming up very soon.
Speaker 1: Hy you guys, Hey Ali, I am Janna. This is
Speaker 1: how I'm Kristen and Catherine and we are at wind down.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming on to talk
Speaker 1: about your book. I love you and everything that you are.
Speaker 1: I've obviously followed you and everything that you've done, and
Speaker 1: I just the fact that you have this now book out,
Speaker 1: it's just like you you. Um, how do I say this?
Speaker 1: Like you just exude so much light. Thank you than
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, because you know, that's how I
Speaker 1: like to describe people, especially people I surround myself with.
Speaker 1: I really try to look for those people that you know,
Speaker 1: when they're when they walk into the room, it's like
Speaker 1: they are glowing. Lots of people I alway one around
Speaker 1: me because I feel like they lift me up, you know,
Speaker 1: just with their light. So thank you, no, of course,
Speaker 1: And I feel like for you, like you've you've had
Speaker 1: reasons to not have that light, you know, like there's
Speaker 1: been so many things that have happened in your life
Speaker 1: where you could have easily gone down a road where
Speaker 1: you're just like bitter or angry, just dark, and you've
Speaker 1: chosen to find that light. And I'm curious, like for you,
Speaker 1: what was like, how did you tap into that? You know?
Speaker 1: I've always yeah, I consider myself, you know, a student
Speaker 1: of life. I always want to grow, evolve. I love change.
Speaker 1: Some people like are really fearful of change. For me,
Speaker 1: I like, really I really love it because it means growth,
Speaker 1: and you know it hasn't I call those I've like
Speaker 1: two things I think specifically that I called my forced
Speaker 1: reshaped And one was around heartbreak, break and betrayal, and
Speaker 1: one was around tragedy and loss. And in both of
Speaker 1: those situations, I feel like I had a choice, you know,
Speaker 1: I could have easily swept those emotions and those feelings
Speaker 1: like under the rug and just kind of moved on.
Speaker 1: I mean, life happens fast, right, even when these things
Speaker 1: hit us, and it's going to happen to all of us.
Speaker 1: But you're at at that crossroads where you really have
Speaker 1: a choice. And for myself, I knew that if I
Speaker 1: didn't deal with the emotions, the pain, the despair on
Speaker 1: your knees and like complete desperation, that it was going
Speaker 1: to come back to haunt me later on in life,
Speaker 1: and that I was not willing to deal with. I
Speaker 1: knew that I had to sit in that pain in
Speaker 1: order to move forward and not make maybe not it
Speaker 1: wasn't you know it, Like I made mistakes in all
Speaker 1: of them, but I mean, I think in the betrayal situation,
Speaker 1: I obviously had a choice. I had to have to
Speaker 1: at least take a little bit of responsibility. So I
Speaker 1: just knew that I didn't want that in my life
Speaker 1: moving forward. I wanted to move forward. Of all it's transformed,
Speaker 1: all of it, And even though sitting in that pain
Speaker 1: it's hard, I feel like, and you got to do
Speaker 1: a lot of work, you know, I did a lot
Speaker 1: of work, but that's where the true transformation like happens. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm curious if we can go to that betrayal heartbreak piece,
Speaker 1: because I mean we can, we both can relate to
Speaker 1: being cheated on in relationships and like so many other
Speaker 1: women and men. But the it's interesting. I was reading
Speaker 1: something that I was that I was working on, and
Speaker 1: I was talking about forgiveness and how you know my
Speaker 1: ex husband and they say, you know, forgiveness is not
Speaker 1: you know, for the other person, it's for you. But
Speaker 1: I also wonder, do you really have to forgive them?
Speaker 1: Can you just be like, because I think there's a
Speaker 1: piece where I'm like, how do I say this, Like
Speaker 1: I I don't feel like you almost have to forgive them,
Speaker 1: and you don't, but that doesn't mean that it still
Speaker 1: harbors all there was, like the resentment and anger and
Speaker 1: issues like I can just be like, I don't forgive
Speaker 1: him for that peace and cheating on me during our
Speaker 1: marriage and you know, the separation of all the things.
Speaker 1: But I can just go. But that was our pass
Speaker 1: and you can accept it without forgiveness. And I'm curious
Speaker 1: kind of where you on with acceptance, you know, and
Speaker 1: the forgiveness piece of all that. I think I have
Speaker 1: a little bit of the same sentiments as you. You know.
Speaker 1: It's really the crazy thing is forgiveness is a hard
Speaker 1: thing to wrap your head around. Especially when you're in
Speaker 1: that situation of betrayal. Because my initial thing, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody says that you have to forgive in order to
Speaker 1: like move on. Well, I didn't understand what that meant,
Speaker 1: like in my mind, like he really it was horrible,
Speaker 1: you know what he did, And forgiveness for me almost
Speaker 1: felt like at the time initially like I was giving
Speaker 1: that person a free pass, and I just like, at
Speaker 1: you know, their stages. Right in the beginning, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm given him a free pass, like that's not cool.
Speaker 1: You don't do that to people, like you don't do
Speaker 1: that to another being, and so what I'm just supposed
Speaker 1: to say it's okay. But then I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: the more I kind of sat in it and dug in.
Speaker 1: I journaled through that time. I remember just like sitting
Speaker 1: in my sister was with me. I remember sitting I
Speaker 1: think in my house for like over a month. I
Speaker 1: was reading The Purpose Driven Life. At the time. I
Speaker 1: had like a student Bible. I had my passages, you know.
Speaker 1: Every time anger would bubble up inside of me or
Speaker 1: like I felt like I needed to take action, I
Speaker 1: would immediately go to that word in that like student
Speaker 1: Bible and I would read it and it was like
Speaker 1: peace would kind of like wash over at me, which
Speaker 1: was kind of like such a crazy thing. And then
Speaker 1: I just knew that over time, I didn't even want
Speaker 1: to carry I didn't want to carry any of it
Speaker 1: moving forward, you know. So but it wasn't until much
Speaker 1: later that and it's again, it's the place you're in,
Speaker 1: it's the process, and sometimes people say certain things and
Speaker 1: it lands on you in a completely different way. And
Speaker 1: it did land on me about how you know, if
Speaker 1: I didn't really dig into it and understand what forgiveness was,
Speaker 1: it was doing nothing for that person, Like it was
Speaker 1: really just for myself, right, So that I understood. So
Speaker 1: that was like okay, yeah, because then it takes away
Speaker 1: the power from that person, you know, then you take
Speaker 1: it back for yourself, like I want to be amazing,
Speaker 1: I want to move forward with no resentment nor whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's sort of how I kind of held onto
Speaker 1: forgiveness moving forward. But I think because I did that
Speaker 1: work in that time, a lot of work just about it,
Speaker 1: like a lot a lot of a lone time. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, all of it. I look back and I
Speaker 1: almost think like it was one of my greatest gifts.
Speaker 1: I truly it changed me as a woman. I understood
Speaker 1: my worth and that's kind of part of why that
Speaker 1: title is there, like you are worthy, because if you don't,
Speaker 1: another woman doesn't see it in themselves. I want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that, like you are worthy. I recognize my worth.
Speaker 1: And I knew that moving forward, I was going to
Speaker 1: do things differently and I needed to be very clear
Speaker 1: about how I was going to move forward. So like
Speaker 1: I wrote it down. I wrote down very very specifically
Speaker 1: that man, that the man that I wanted to come
Speaker 1: into my life, what I needed him to look like,
Speaker 1: what qualities I needed him to have. So when it
Speaker 1: came in and it was not that, it was like whoa,
Speaker 1: you know, the siren was going on. And it's also
Speaker 1: probably easier to just be like nope, oh yeah, now
Speaker 1: I don't have turned to on that right, Like so
Speaker 1: it's just it's like clarity, right, and I'm so type
Speaker 1: that I just don't want to make a mistake your life, right,
Speaker 1: So I knew I needed to figure it out. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know, I have a strong faith. You know,
Speaker 1: my faith is very important to me. And also it
Speaker 1: was like kind of surrendering, like I didn't trust myself
Speaker 1: a lot of that time, and I sort of leaned
Speaker 1: on God and was like, look, I made a horrible mistake,
Speaker 1: like I totally screwed up. I need you to like
Speaker 1: put one foot in front of the other because I
Speaker 1: don't want to make the same mistake yet, right, And
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it. Yeah, I know. It's so
Speaker 1: interesting because I'm like when when I hear you talking,
Speaker 1: because it's like it's so easy to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgive you, but I'm like, I don't really. I
Speaker 1: started I started peeling back layers. I'm like, do I
Speaker 1: really forgive him? It's almost like I feel sorry for
Speaker 1: him because like that just meant that he was hurt. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's like hurt people, you know, like hurt people.
Speaker 1: But I also can be like but it's okay, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's I'm sorry, and it's okay. Like at this point,
Speaker 1: it's like it's okay now, right, because you see the gift,
Speaker 1: you see the sliver lining, you see that you're so
Speaker 1: much better off. It's like, thank you for showing me,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what I deserve and what I don't.
Speaker 1: It's almost like instead of saying like a forgiveness. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a saying I forgive you. It's almost like
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Oh gosh, yeah, thank you. And
Speaker 1: that's also something I talk about in the book. It's
Speaker 1: about the mindset. It's about flipping the switch, which is
Speaker 1: really hard to do, right, but again, like doing that
Speaker 1: work being very specific of what you're doing, so not
Speaker 1: just saying just thank you, like why why are you thankful? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am so thankful to you because of this and
Speaker 1: this and this, and like just that being super specific
Speaker 1: with the details, because that becomes the new story. So
Speaker 1: when you're moving forward and people are asking you these
Speaker 1: questions about that, it's it's different now, you know, like
Speaker 1: you can say, yeah, that happened, but look, this is
Speaker 1: what happened, this is what came out of it, this
Speaker 1: was this is the fruits of it. I did the same,
Speaker 1: thank goodness, I went through that with the betrayal, because
Speaker 1: what was even harder was the tragedy and loss we
Speaker 1: experienced in our family when we lost both my father
Speaker 1: in law and my brother in law and horrific situation.
Speaker 1: But it was that as well. I mean, yeah, we
Speaker 1: sat in that despair for a long time and then
Speaker 1: we had to flip it and think about, you know,
Speaker 1: life being so short, leaving living really truly in the moment,
Speaker 1: and what did we really want our life to look
Speaker 1: like moving forward? Like we have one life, like make
Speaker 1: it a masterpiece, like you got one shot at this game, right,
Speaker 1: So all like that, there's so much of that in
Speaker 1: the book, you know, using my own examples and trying
Speaker 1: to help people with their own roadmap to their reshape,
Speaker 1: but just kind of giving my perspective because the fact
Speaker 1: that I got through those things on the other side,
Speaker 1: honestly and the way I did, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: almost like miraculous. All yea, I have a question for you,
Speaker 1: so I know I read that you I kind of
Speaker 1: want you to walk us through like the timeline of
Speaker 1: like there's there's this loss of trust right in the cheating,
Speaker 1: and then there's the loss of your sweet father in
Speaker 1: law and brother in law. At what point is that
Speaker 1: does it start to take the physical toll? Because that
Speaker 1: part is really fascinating to me. I want to know
Speaker 1: like even though and I have felt this a bit
Speaker 1: in my own journey, like you can handle it mentally
Speaker 1: and you can find the faith in all the things
Speaker 1: but your body eventually does keep the score a little.
Speaker 1: So were those like the hair loss, the not sleeping?
Speaker 1: Was that all? Do you think effects of your body
Speaker 1: keeping score? Is that how you and when that happens?
Speaker 1: This is loaded, But I'm like fascinated because I love
Speaker 1: that you were like, I'm taking charge and figuring it
Speaker 1: out because a lot of women kind of like fall
Speaker 1: into this like oh, you know, and they're fixing, they're
Speaker 1: band aiding these little things and not like getting to
Speaker 1: the heart and like really you know, reshaping and reconstructing.
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, it's funny you says, I
Speaker 1: never really thought about it like that, Like what does
Speaker 1: the body still actually hold on from the traumas? Right?
Speaker 1: You can do as much like emotional healing, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the body, you know, living, reathing, this cellular level, it
Speaker 1: takes you know, you take it all in. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of that for sure was an effect
Speaker 1: of what I went through. Um, but I do think
Speaker 1: a lot of it had to do with like my
Speaker 1: girlfriend's like, yeah, we're just getting older. That's what happens
Speaker 1: when we age. The aging definitely is like one thing.
Speaker 1: But for me, what was exciting about that part the
Speaker 1: physical part again was that I was able to dig
Speaker 1: in and get to the other side of it, like healthier,
Speaker 1: more energized, growing my hair back, more sex drive, you know,
Speaker 1: like better digect like really get to the other side
Speaker 1: of it. And I'm going to be fifty in like
Speaker 1: a few months. I feel better. I feel like I
Speaker 1: look better now than I did in my thirties, honestly,
Speaker 1: Cart And I don't want a car whatever Europe too,
Speaker 1: And I don't want you to, like I want people
Speaker 1: to buy this book because I just think like the
Speaker 1: kind of human you are, like you have a special
Speaker 1: like light about you. You're I like my husband, and
Speaker 1: I would call you a shiny one. And so I
Speaker 1: really do like I'm excited to read. I just want
Speaker 1: you to, like Cliff note, like if someone's listening right
Speaker 1: now and they're like, okay, but where do I even
Speaker 1: start first add to Cart the reshape your life because
Speaker 1: you're magical. But is it like blood work, Like what
Speaker 1: did you like, where did you even begin that little
Speaker 1: part of the journey. And again, just cliff Note it
Speaker 1: so that we're still all just the part for the healthy,
Speaker 1: identify them in different areas. Yes, please let me just
Speaker 1: say for it for whoever is listening. The way, the
Speaker 1: best way I'm the best way I could describe it.
Speaker 1: The way I felt at that time was I felt off,
Speaker 1: but I did not feel sick enough to go to
Speaker 1: the doctor. If that made any sense, makes you know,
Speaker 1: much sense. And I was in a high pressure situe.
Speaker 1: It only showed up really because I was on a
Speaker 1: live television show on Fox, you know, doing my day
Speaker 1: to day, my mom thing, you know, taking the kids
Speaker 1: to school, grocery shopping, cookie. It wouldn't have showed up
Speaker 1: the way it did. It's only because I was on
Speaker 1: live television. And when I got off of that show,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was in a boxing match with
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and I was exhausted, and I would climb
Speaker 1: in bed and eat Cheetos and you know, brownie brittle,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just I felt like I
Speaker 1: was living half a life, and I just I was
Speaker 1: not going down like that. So I would absolutely say
Speaker 1: that the blood panel is your baseline. You've got to
Speaker 1: know where you are, you know. And I just had
Speaker 1: doctor Amy Killen. If you don't follow her, you should,
Speaker 1: because she's fabulous. She really digs into hormones and health
Speaker 1: integrative medicine in a really cool way all the things
Speaker 1: that I believe in that help to me. She really
Speaker 1: presents it in such a cool way for women to
Speaker 1: kind of grasp so really that that blood blood work
Speaker 1: will it's going to show you exactly what's happening, because
Speaker 1: part of you feels crazy, like like am I Like
Speaker 1: you know they say our pms. You know, you hear
Speaker 1: that story for years and years, like men don't really
Speaker 1: believe it, like it's a thing. But when you see
Speaker 1: that blood work, you're just like, Okay, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is exactly why I'm feeling like this. I am
Speaker 1: completely deleted in this area. My testosterone is like totally plummeted.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, you just see it all and then
Speaker 1: you could start supplementing specifically, you know, based on what
Speaker 1: those numbers are and not just buying the random things
Speaker 1: off the counter, and when you go to hope, Foo's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that sounds great, I need that or I
Speaker 1: need that, and then you take them for a second
Speaker 1: and then you know you're done because you have no
Speaker 1: idea why you're taking it. Well, the consensus, the consistency
Speaker 1: always matters to me, you know, like but I do
Speaker 1: think you're right. We also live in a society where
Speaker 1: we're inundated with like by this, by that, this will
Speaker 1: make you feel this way, and it's like we never
Speaker 1: I just feel like we've been given this, like really,
Speaker 1: God gifted beautiful intuition to kind of like know ourselves
Speaker 1: and know our children in that same way, you know,
Speaker 1: like you it's that gift. And I think everything gets
Speaker 1: so noisy we don't listen to it sometimes. So I'm
Speaker 1: really inspired at the way that you were like, hang
Speaker 1: on a second, like let me get silent with myself
Speaker 1: and my body. Yeah, I know that this this cheetah
Speaker 1: brownie building and I am pregnant, so that did appeal
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not gonna lie. I feel you hang
Speaker 1: on a second. That brownie brittle and bad piece really
Speaker 1: hit home. But I think it's so often we start
Speaker 1: to settle because that is what we hear, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it must be aging, you know, Like I'm forty one,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, oh, of course I'm tired. But
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to be tired either, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why I think it's important to go and pinpoint it,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I'm in the same kind of
Speaker 1: boat where I'm like, I'm just tired all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like, but I'm taking this and
Speaker 1: I'm taking that, but I don't really know what I need.
Speaker 1: So like actually pinpointing it is so and you even
Speaker 1: tried what depression pills and you're like it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: Like I'm still like my iron is low. I take
Speaker 1: those bills, but I'm like, I'm still tired. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I'm a mom of three and I'm running from
Speaker 1: here to here to hear. But it's like, do I
Speaker 1: have to be this tired? You know? So literally I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you and I'm like putting it on the
Speaker 1: blood panel on the calendar. I also think it's what
Speaker 1: we eat too, right, Yeah, absolutely, I feel so much
Speaker 1: better when I have a cleaner diet or when i'm
Speaker 1: you know, not drinking wine every night. You know. My
Speaker 1: thing is is like I've been eating cleaner and I'm
Speaker 1: more tired. Maybe your body is like what you're doing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why, actually you're depleted it. Maybe you're going
Speaker 1: to see it all in your blood panel. And what
Speaker 1: I don't want to do ever, is to overwhelm women.
Speaker 1: You know, I think the book is really presents like
Speaker 1: the basics, like kind of like at the I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like now into the longevity and the biohacking and
Speaker 1: like the stem cells, and that's that's like the next book.
Speaker 1: But I really wanted to meet women at the beginning
Speaker 1: of their journey. So it's the simple, simple things that
Speaker 1: you do. It's the things you those little things you
Speaker 1: do every single day that really make the biggest difference. Right,
Speaker 1: So let's get the blood panel done. Let's put some
Speaker 1: very specific practices in throughout your day that you could
Speaker 1: tap into that's going to set you up for success.
Speaker 1: Like I talk about like a morning routine, like just
Speaker 1: something easy, so easy that you're going to do in
Speaker 1: the morning that's gonna make you feel grounded, like you
Speaker 1: have control of your day, so you're not like feel
Speaker 1: feeling like you were hit by the mactruck life. You know,
Speaker 1: as soon as you open your eyes and you're deflecting, deflecting, deflecting.
Speaker 1: So all of that is definitely presented. And then going
Speaker 1: back to your question about going through those things and
Speaker 1: then the emotional that toll honestly today because you know
Speaker 1: the book is set up into mind, the mind shape,
Speaker 1: heart shape, health shape, and soul shape. Right, So, because
Speaker 1: I did work in all of those areas and again
Speaker 1: went through those crazy, insane traumas, I don't I feel
Speaker 1: so strong, like as a human being, like as a woman,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for those I feel so wise, I
Speaker 1: feel so strong, I feel so peaceful in my body,
Speaker 1: in myself. I don't feel like I need to put
Speaker 1: even material things into my life, like to fill me up.
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like as a woman, I stay
Speaker 1: in my lane. I do me. I'm uniquely me. I'm
Speaker 1: able to recognize where something comes in that just wouldn't
Speaker 1: serve me because of those things. So, because those things happen,
Speaker 1: even though yes they're but again it's a it's how
Speaker 1: we flip the switch. It's absolutely how we flip it.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I was having my boyfriend the
Speaker 1: other night reading something that I was that I wrote,
Speaker 1: and he looked at mean, He's like, I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: that you went through all this, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm like that. So I was like, I'm so happy
Speaker 1: that I went through all of it, and it was
Speaker 1: it was so hard to see and relive at certain points,
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously Press loves to bring up things
Speaker 1: and I talk about it, right, So it's like there's
Speaker 1: a piece of that too where I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: with with you know, my experiences. Having said all that,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel and now I know. There's so
Speaker 1: many things I know now because of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I went through. So it's like it and being able
Speaker 1: to be like, no, I'm so thankful and like or
Speaker 1: what did I learn in this? And like how have
Speaker 1: I grown in this? Like I'm better for it, which
Speaker 1: I never thought I would, Like I would have loved
Speaker 1: to have not gone through it, but I'm so much
Speaker 1: better on the other side because of it. That's the beauty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the beauty. Is it hard? Because I think about
Speaker 1: that and like the faith aspect and listening to what
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, you know, to me, I am
Speaker 1: one that has always felt like, you know, things happen
Speaker 1: for a reason, God has a plan all those things.
Speaker 1: I know. That's got to be really hard in those
Speaker 1: really hard moments. Like I mean, obviously I've never lost
Speaker 1: someone in a tragic way and you know, or been
Speaker 1: cheated on or all of that. But is it hard
Speaker 1: to hear that in that moment for both of you,
Speaker 1: Like when you're going through it like this happens for
Speaker 1: a reason God, but but then you also believe that
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, obviously, But it's just
Speaker 1: like hearing y'all talk about it, that's got to be
Speaker 1: so hard to hear in that moment. I would say, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean more so with the tragedy yause my father
Speaker 1: in law was the most I mean beautiful human being
Speaker 1: you've ever met. I honestly thought when they took them
Speaker 1: that they would give him back because they just would
Speaker 1: fall in love with him. So that was really hard
Speaker 1: to wrap your head around, Like losing two people one
Speaker 1: is hard enough, but two at the same time in
Speaker 1: such a horrible way. And we were really both my
Speaker 1: husband and I we were going through the motions like
Speaker 1: with our faith. I mean, yes, we were still going
Speaker 1: to church on Sunday because we had our kids, but
Speaker 1: we were really angry with God, like we were just
Speaker 1: like why would you do this? Like you took a
Speaker 1: good one, like why would you do that? And it
Speaker 1: went We went through a lot of that's when we
Speaker 1: really started like a prayer and meditation practice and you know,
Speaker 1: spiritual advisors, a lot of reading, you know, messages come
Speaker 1: to you like at different times. And I'm Catholic, and
Speaker 1: the funny thing is I was hosting a Catholic conference
Speaker 1: and you know, my husband's in the room because he's
Speaker 1: still angry. He's like, I didn't even want to go
Speaker 1: down there right now. I mean it was still from
Speaker 1: when everything had happened. And there was a priest that
Speaker 1: got up there and he was talking about Mary and
Speaker 1: like there's a book called thirty three Days to Morning Glory.
Speaker 1: And I never really had a devotion to Mary. I
Speaker 1: mean I also have friends that are Christians and you
Speaker 1: know just kind of like, let's go straight to the
Speaker 1: big Guy, and you know, we don't really need to
Speaker 1: go to Mary so much. So I'm hearing this and
Speaker 1: I'm just like we were so again like angry with
Speaker 1: God and the relationship was not there, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was like a light bulb went off to me
Speaker 1: in that moment and I just thought, wait, maybe Mary
Speaker 1: is the answer for us. It was just it was
Speaker 1: like just delivered ran to my husband. I said, you've
Speaker 1: got to meet this priest. We got we have to
Speaker 1: like dig into this I introduced them and we started
Speaker 1: doing this devotion, the thirty three Days to Morning Glory,
Speaker 1: and it was Mary who brought us back into union
Speaker 1: with her son with Jesus, which is crazy for me
Speaker 1: to say, because again, like there was no like you know,
Speaker 1: I loved I mean, you know Mary, mother of God. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it's just crazy how things kind of work, you know.
Speaker 1: That is beautiful yet that Yeah, peace has always been
Speaker 1: so fascinating to me when you go through such a
Speaker 1: tragedy and have this faith aspect you know how, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a fascinating process, you know what
Speaker 1: that looks. It's interesting that Mary is the connection though,
Speaker 1: because Mary knows tragedy better than any of us, right,
Speaker 1: I mean Mary lost her only son. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: for you to identify with that is just like that
Speaker 1: is just not coincidental to me at all. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: That is like the most gifted, like wonderful in a
Speaker 1: tragic public way, she lost her son. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I mean thank you for letting me share that with
Speaker 1: you guys, because I don't share a lot about you know,
Speaker 1: my faith. Your faith is very personal and never know
Speaker 1: this world like how people take it. But that's how
Speaker 1: I got through these things. I mean truly, that's the
Speaker 1: place and I had to go to pull me through. Um,
Speaker 1: definitely had nothing to do with myself. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of the divine right, UM, thank you for sure,
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, thank you. We we we appreciate that
Speaker 1: because we're you know, we're all on our Christian journey
Speaker 1: and you know it's um sometimes you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to I've I'm probably the newest on that journey. Um,
Speaker 1: just like now understanding like the wise of you know,
Speaker 1: going through things like well, why did that happen? Where
Speaker 1: was God in this? I always ask where is God?
Speaker 1: Where is God in this? Like I don't understand? And
Speaker 1: then it's it's, um, he shows up and he shows
Speaker 1: you later. Sometimes it's not in the moment that you need,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's where the peace comes,
Speaker 1: where it's like cap under your question. It's like in
Speaker 1: that moment, it's it's so surrender. Yeah, have you thought
Speaker 1: about that at all? Like, Uh, it's something we've been
Speaker 1: practicing a lot lately and it's really helped us because again,
Speaker 1: like we all want to control, right, Like you feel
Speaker 1: like if you let go being a parent, being a
Speaker 1: mom and you know you're running a household, you else,
Speaker 1: you're hugged like you have so much going on and
Speaker 1: if you let go, then it's all going to fall
Speaker 1: to you know what. Um, but we've had to learn,
Speaker 1: I mean, and also being in this business that we're in,
Speaker 1: it's nothing as promised. You may be working today, you're
Speaker 1: not working tomorrow when job comes in and it goes out,
Speaker 1: you know, so there's a lot of so do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're about to fall off the edge? And
Speaker 1: so we uh, we read we read The Surrender Experiment
Speaker 1: by Michael Singer and just the idea of surrender was
Speaker 1: very interesting to me because again type A trying to
Speaker 1: control everything at all times, and I feel like surrender
Speaker 1: kind of goes hand in hand with faith, right. So um,
Speaker 1: it's definitely a practice, right, but something that maybe you know,
Speaker 1: just to ponder and to think about. That was one
Speaker 1: of my first books I read after my divorced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one of my first books. It's a great book.
Speaker 1: Have you read it. It's a great it's really good one.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. But your book, though, I'm so excited I
Speaker 1: am getting through, but back to you in your book,
Speaker 1: that is. But no, um, I just can I just
Speaker 1: ask one question around that. So it's been eight years
Speaker 1: from that tragedy. M yeah, how are How are you
Speaker 1: in the family doing? You know, we are doing amazing.
Speaker 1: My brother, let's see, my brother in law's two children
Speaker 1: are thriving. I mean one is in the top school
Speaker 1: in Germany, the other one or they're both in school
Speaker 1: in Germany. Um, they're doing so well. My mother in law,
Speaker 1: you know, she her dream was always too. She loves
Speaker 1: the beach, she loves the ocean they live in. She
Speaker 1: lives in Tampico in Mexico, and we were able to
Speaker 1: get her a little place in front of the ocean
Speaker 1: so she could watch the sunset every single day. And
Speaker 1: so she's doing well. Obviously, it's harder for her because
Speaker 1: she lost both her husband and her her firstborn at
Speaker 1: the same time. My husband doesn't talk about it as
Speaker 1: much as he you know, you ste I think that
Speaker 1: we are doing really, really well, and I think that
Speaker 1: we feel their presence now more than ever. I feel
Speaker 1: like we get signed all the time, and they are
Speaker 1: We definitely change the way we live, for sure. We
Speaker 1: do live very much in the moment, like in the moment,
Speaker 1: being present, knowing that tomorrow is definitely not promised. We
Speaker 1: make decisions differently as a family. My husband loves to surf,
Speaker 1: always dreamed of having like a little place on the beach,
Speaker 1: but we live in southern California, Like there's no way
Speaker 1: we could afford that, And we're renting a house like
Speaker 1: in a beautiful place in Lochayan, and we really need
Speaker 1: to buy a place, and we decided to build a
Speaker 1: beach house like in Mexico, like driving distance, which is nuts,
Speaker 1: so crazy, But going back to the thing like life
Speaker 1: is short, right, like create what you what you so
Speaker 1: desire and what you love. And in the book I
Speaker 1: also talk a little bit about and as as adults,
Speaker 1: as women, you know, do the things that set your
Speaker 1: soul on fire. I feel like son, so often as
Speaker 1: we get older, we stopped doing those things that like
Speaker 1: like that fire, you know, because again, life, the responsibilities,
Speaker 1: all of it. So just to remember those things and
Speaker 1: make sure you do that, you know, daily. I just
Speaker 1: saw Oprah and Gail, who I love. I know all
Speaker 1: we all love some Oprah right They're in Jordan right now,
Speaker 1: you know, covering themselves up with mud, and writing on
Speaker 1: the camels and and that was sort of their message yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was online and just saying like don't forget to
Speaker 1: do the things you love, like again, like you have
Speaker 1: one life. I was like preached sisters, like that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: I love it. And it's all his with all of
Speaker 1: that too, it's it's a growth opportunity hydrotherapists. She calls
Speaker 1: it AFCA. It's a fucking growth opportunity. Oh yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's like with everything, it's like look at it AFCA.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's kind of my motto AFCA. I
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, um, Ali, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on the show. I just your light. I've just everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I so appreciate it. I know you're just yeahiful.
Speaker 1: Thank you for just breathing and everything you have to say.
Speaker 1: I love that you took the initiative to write about
Speaker 1: all of this though, because I think the simplifying it's
Speaker 1: like the how do you eat an elephant one bite
Speaker 1: at a time? Is something I always say. But it's like,
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