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Speaker 2: From doing that show? What that documentary about that coach?

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Speaker 1: Peanut.

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Speaker 2: Who's our special guest today? Man, I mean got to

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Speaker 2: be the biggest afro we've had on the show.

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Speaker 4: It is by far the biggest AFRO we've had on

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Speaker 4: the show. Seven seven year linebacker NFL that he won

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Speaker 4: super Bowl forty six with the Giants. He's a writer,

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Speaker 4: he's a producer. He has a production company called More

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Speaker 4: Street Productions. He is the show All American is loosely

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Speaker 4: based on his life. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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Speaker 4: to the podcast. Spencer pay Singer.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, the Pride of the Dara Heights Pride.

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Speaker 5: I would say south Central, but Grandpa.

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Speaker 2: But now they say it's not even south central anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's just South La.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no. If you're if you're from if you're

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Speaker 5: from south central, south central, we did not say South La.

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Speaker 5: If you're a native, it is still south absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So who says South La.

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Speaker 1: Then let's cull that up.

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Speaker 5: Transplants people that lived from the valley that come over.

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Speaker 5: But if you're from south Central, it is south Central, Okay,

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Speaker 5: till I die, till I die.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Thomas is all south exactly.

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Speaker 1: He's he know my cousin lives in Bigglehood. So yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I like it. I can get down win it.

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Speaker 4: I thought south south Los Angeles South LA was a thing,

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Speaker 4: but no, it's Inglewood, south south Central all day.

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Speaker 1: I respect it, all right, all right, that's what flatles feel. Spencer.

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Speaker 2: I got a I got a real question for you,

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Speaker 2: and I saw your interview with Jamail Hill and found

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Speaker 2: out that you had your Super Bowl forty six rings stolen.

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Speaker 2: So have you had have you gotten this ring back?

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Speaker 2: Have you had it replaced? Because at the time, you're like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I'm not paying twenty some thousand dollars to get a

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Speaker 2: the guy tried to pawn it once but that didn't happen,

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Speaker 5: It's still in the wind, still in the wind. It's

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Speaker 5: it's one of those things that you try not to

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Speaker 5: think about throughout the year, but well, my best twice

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Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, thank you, but no, it's it's one

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Speaker 5: of those things where you know, it's it's probably just

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Speaker 5: But I always said, once I do a concept, whether

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Speaker 5: I was a couple of years ago. With inflation everything happening.

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Speaker 5: My my goal is to whether a film or TV

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Speaker 5: but I can't. I can't fit that right now. I

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Speaker 5: Some see that's the if you want to get into

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Speaker 5: the details of it. Insurance lapsed for one month, oh

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Speaker 5: I said, okay, I'll handle it once I get down

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Speaker 5: It was like, we don't have to say got bad luck.

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Speaker 1: There, so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to explain to everybody that that doesn't know?

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Speaker 2: Because I heard the interview, so I kind of know

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Speaker 5: So it sucks. But to me, it was one of

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Speaker 5: on what I'm doing now to potentially get that ring back.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so I've been in two Super Bowls. You've

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Speaker 4: been in two super Bowls. You got one. I don't

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Speaker 4: have one. You clearly you have one. What memories do

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Man, I think just just realizing in that moment. I

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Speaker 5: remember one of our first timeouts when we run onto

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Speaker 5: rewind about twelve thirteen months prior to that, I actually

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Speaker 5: looking at things. Tyler Sash and Greg Jones are rookie

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Speaker 5: Champions if their side of phild screens.

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Speaker 1: We just lost.

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Speaker 5: We closed our eyes kind of like just cuddling it

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Speaker 3: Run around crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you went to the excuse me, so y'all

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Speaker 4: go to the White House meet President Obama. Did he

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Speaker 4: have any jokes, because I know when you went to

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Speaker 1: He had like old man jokes. He did.

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Speaker 3: So, who's the old guy on the team.

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Speaker 2: He hit me with two old man jokes, and so

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Speaker 2: he was like, man, you you must be the old

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Speaker 1: Ready are coming, I mind trick? You thought you were

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I I got a picture of it too,

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Speaker 5: and I tell everybody, I'm like, this is the moment

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Speaker 5: I tried to keep a roack Obama and he came

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Speaker 2: So in twenty seventeen, you actually went to the Carolina Panther, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Was on his you know, before he left.

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Speaker 2: What was that experience like like being in that room

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really good group too, and they were already kind

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Speaker 5: I didn't know how it was going to happen. You know,

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Speaker 5: But year seven for me was okay, I'm walking away

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Speaker 3: Was it How was it when you so?

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Speaker 4: Was it easier having all these projects before you left

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Speaker 5: to right. Can he send me something? So I literally

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00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 5: put my playbook aside. I remember, it's like Wednesday or

439
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,440
Speaker 5: Thursday night, put my playbook aside and wrote a one

440
00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,240
Speaker 5: page document about just the ebbs and flows of what

441
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 5: became all American. And by that time I had known

442
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,919
Speaker 5: how to take you on the ride of a compelling story.

443
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,919
Speaker 5: So I sent that off. A couple weeks later, I

444
00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,399
Speaker 5: get a call from them saying, something's interesting here, and

445
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 5: I knew statistically we were eliminated from the playoffs. So

446
00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 5: I set that meeting like a month in advance, and

447
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,000
Speaker 5: my first day back in LA in the offseason, I

448
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,200
Speaker 5: went to Warner Brothers, sat down, had a conversation with him,

449
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,320
Speaker 5: and then I think two or three weeks later we

450
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Speaker 5: went into contract negotiations.

451
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Speaker 1: That's fast.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that thing really heated up. Yeah, I don't know

453
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 2: what was on. Do you still have a copy of

454
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Speaker 2: that one page?

455
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:03,919
Speaker 1: Oh?

456
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering, like, you got to like put

457
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,439
Speaker 2: that up somewhere because you really hit.

458
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 1: Them with it. One page.

459
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was It wasn't even that it was like

460
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 5: more like a paragraph, but it was essentially just playing

461
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,960
Speaker 5: into the fact that no matter who you are, if

462
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,920
Speaker 5: you're the fire hundred million dollar man or the guy

463
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 5: just walking down the street, we all know what it

464
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 5: feels like to live a universal truth of being an

465
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 5: outsider in a new world. So, yes, the shows about

466
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,239
Speaker 5: a young black kid from South Central going to bell

467
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 5: It was high and then potentially into the NFL, but

468
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 5: it was also the story of an outsider entering a

469
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 5: new land. And that's something that no matter who you are,

470
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 5: race create ethnicity, like, you understand what that universal feeling is.

471
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 5: And largely when you are pitching a concept like that

472
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 5: that can go on a CW or Fox or what

473
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 5: have you, you want to capture a broader audience than

474
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 5: who you just think is going to watch this. So

475
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 5: you know, I was really just writing these stories to

476
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 5: to understand where my position would be outside of the league.

477
00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 5: But then once James became a full embodiment of a person,

478
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 5: it was like, Okay, I think we could do some

479
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 5: good here.

480
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 4: So but was that easy to sell them because you

481
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 4: actually lived it? You know what I'm saying, Like just

482
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 4: I'm just saying from the standpoint of like living in

483
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Speaker 4: South Central, But then now you're going around and like

484
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 4: you from You're from a ton of black people, right,

485
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,959
Speaker 4: so every day you see people that look like you,

486
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,959
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, you're in this new

487
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 4: space and nobody looks like you. I have similar experience

488
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 4: with that. I'm from a military side of the family

489
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 4: or a military background, right, So I was always the

490
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 4: guy who didn't there wasn't a lot of people that

491
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Speaker 4: looked like me. So then I went to Chicago South Side,

492
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 4: and then I went to a school, and then everybody

493
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 4: looked like me, and I thought that was weird.

494
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 3: I was like, what are white people like?

495
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had black teachers, black janitor, black principle. But

496
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 4: for me, that was like so weird because I had

497
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 4: always just been like the minority and I was cool

498
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 4: with I guess I was used to it. So then

499
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 4: when I was placing that situation like what are what age?

500
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Speaker 1: Is that? What a what a?

501
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: Hispanics said? What are where everybody else at?

502
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 4: I was used to growing up in the military, like

503
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 4: it's you got a melting pot of some of everybody.

504
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: So for me, at an early age, I experienced that.

505
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 4: And I know you said that to one of your interviews,

506
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 4: like by the time he was thirteen, and then you

507
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 4: get to high school, and then when you get to college,

508
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 4: you're like, yo, this is I lived this at fourteen already,

509
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 4: Like I'm good, so I can I can navigate these worlds.

510
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 3: Like how was that it was?

511
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 5: Going to your point? You know, sort of navigating both

512
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 5: those worlds, you get comfortable in that swim, you know,

513
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 5: for me as thirteen, fourteen years old being thrust into

514
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 5: Beverly Hills out you know, even the real stories. My

515
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 5: uncles had football coach at Beverly, so I had known

516
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 5: from from I know, I had known if Beverly was

517
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 5: high school as the school I knew I was probably

518
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Speaker 5: gonna have to go to. But it was largely because

519
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 5: my family had a football presence there right that was

520
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 5: never really on campus beyond the Friday night games being

521
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Speaker 5: maybe the water boy, the ball boy, what have you.

522
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 5: But once I got there and I realized, like, oh,

523
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 5: I just went from you know, South central Englewood, which

524
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 5: is predominantly black and Latino, to you know, predominantly Jewish,

525
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 5: Asian and or other. Beverly was two percent black. But

526
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 5: that two percent are still largely friends to this day.

527
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 5: Like there's maybe twenty or thirty of those people that

528
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 5: I still talk to on a daily basis because we

529
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 5: have this crazy, insane group chat that like will get

530
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 5: us all put in jail if.

531
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Speaker 1: We all got one, we all got one, say less.

532
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Speaker 5: But what it allowed me to do or experience at

533
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 5: such a young age was to know that, you know,

534
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Speaker 5: weir are deeper than our skin color.

535
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: You know.

536
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 5: Was it allowed me to understand so many different faiths,

537
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 5: creeds and ethnicities at a young age, the point where

538
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff that's happening today, I can

539
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 5: hit my friends from from back in the day and go,

540
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 5: how are you slash your community? Like experiencing this like

541
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 5: let me know. But then on the other hand, it

542
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 5: allowed me to be comfortable in any room I walked into.

543
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 5: So to your point about about even going to Oregon,

544
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 5: organ was also two percent white, I mean two percent black.

545
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 5: So I'm walking in, I'm like, oh, I've been here before.

546
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 5: I know how to move and shake in this land

547
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 5: where I did have a handful of players that kind of,

548
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 5: you know, click up with the team and don't really

549
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 5: experience life outside of just being in a little ecosystem

550
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 5: of football. But I will credit a handful of those

551
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 5: guys that they kind of looked at me and was like, Okay,

552
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 5: he's not really from our experience, because you know, when

553
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 5: you look at the bios, it says Spencer Pacing and

554
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 5: Los Angeles Beverly was high school, it doesn't say South Central,

555
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 5: but went to Bedlis High School. So a lot of

556
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 5: my teammates just casually kind of pushed me to the

557
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 5: side because they didn't think I came from a lived

558
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: experience with them. It wasn't until they could relate to you. Yeah,

559
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 5: it wasn't until and I knew what they were experienced,

560
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 5: but they were experiencing something at eighteen nineteen that I

561
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: experienced at thirteen fourteen. So I was like, Okay, I'm

562
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 5: not gonna damn you guys for thinking one thing or

563
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 5: another for me about me. But in a sort of

564
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 5: a beautiful way, All American allowed for some of those

565
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: conversations to come back around. Now I had a handful

566
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 5: of my college players. I was like, hey, man, like

567
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 5: I actually didn't realize like you were from South Central.

568
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 5: I know you told us, but we just didn't leave

569
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 5: you back then. And I was like, no, I understand,

570
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 5: it's not I'm not fighting for my identity. I was

571
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 5: comfortable in my identity and who I was, right, you know,

572
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 5: I credit those those players that end up hitting me

573
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 5: up when they really didn't have to to go. Okay, like,

574
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 5: we see you, you weren't you weren't lying to us?

575
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: Right? Uh? Tell me this though. So you entered the

576
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: NFL as a rookie, Yes, win a super Bowl? Yes?

577
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: All right?

578
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: So now you enter into this second act as a

579
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: screenwriter and have a massive hit.

580
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: Yes, right in there? Right? I mean you told us like, dude,

581
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: I was in contract, I talked to two weeks.

582
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 2: So you know, the odds of that are extremely low, astronomical.

583
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: And so when I when we bring that up, does

584
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: that what is it when we just take a step

585
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: back from that, Like, do you ever realize how how

586
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: much you're accomplished in like and how the odds are

587
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: against you to do that? And when I say these

588
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: things to you, how does that make you feel inside?

589
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 5: It allows me to take a moment go while like

590
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: that happen. Whenever somebody says that it makes that connection,

591
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 5: I'm just like, how did I even get here? You know,

592
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: I'm only thirty five and I still feel like I

593
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 5: have so much life to live and so many other

594
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 5: careers to even partake in. But to understand ironically all

595
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 5: American season production season and like an NFL season like

596
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 5: eerily mimic the same sort of cadence. You know, we

597
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: start writing the current season in the springtime, we go

598
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 5: into production in the fall time, which will be fall camp.

599
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: We premiere in their early fall, and then go the

600
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 5: next few months, which is an NFL season. So one

601
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: thing that was really dope for me is to in

602
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 5: that pivot, in that transition. It was the cadence kind

603
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 5: of largely remaining the same of.

604
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: When I was to like get up, you get right

605
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: back in the games.

606
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 5: So to feel that, to understand like there's a bit

607
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 5: of survivor remorse with that of why was either person

608
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 5: And there's there's a long history of reasons of how

609
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 5: I became this person is not just me. It's eighty

610
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: dates back even to my grandparents and my great grandparents

611
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 5: being part of the great migration. So it's me honoring

612
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 5: them as much as I as much as you say,

613
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 5: like all these great things, Like I'm thinking of my

614
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: grandparents and my great grandparents right now because I'm like

615
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 5: you guys, made those decisions to like get out to

616
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 5: Los Angeles.

617
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, where'd they come from?

618
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 5: So on my dad's side, they largely came from Mississippi

619
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 5: and Michigan. Say, in Mississippi, yeah, and then on my

620
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 5: mom's side Louisiana. I'm sorry, Louisiana and Michigan. On my

621
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 5: mom's side in Mississippi. So great migration product of it.

622
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: Memphis ten, that's where mine came from. Moved straight up

623
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: to Chicago. Yeah, mine just kind of stayed in Alaba state.

624
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 4: They was like, we never got out.

625
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: We like that and we'll be right back.

626
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: So all American and you're in your sixth season, right,

627
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: So you get there, you pitch this idea, you tell

628
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: your story to a bunch of writers in the writer's room, right,

629
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden they come back and

630
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: they give you a brand new product and you're like,

631
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: wait a minute, this thing happened like this was a

632
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 4: brother Latino. Wait wait that that happened that wait, wait

633
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: a minute, like the whole thing had changed. How hard

634
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 4: was that to trust the process and just say, let

635
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: us take this, we got you this, this is what

636
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: we do. When you know your experience and you can

637
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 4: tell your story better than anybody.

638
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 3: You lived it, you know how it is?

639
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: How hard was that to trust the process of letting

640
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 4: your writers just do what they do?

641
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: Oh man, it was multifaceted. So when you're to your point,

642
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 5: because I love like you guys to do your homework,

643
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: and I feel like they do their homework. The original

644
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 5: script see the original The original script actually had a

645
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 5: lot of people to know this, But Billy Baker was

646
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 5: originally Latino, which then changes dethnicity of his two kids.

647
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 5: And when I first got that and I thought I was,

648
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 5: I wasn't mad at it. I was mad more so

649
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: that like, this wasn't my story. The fact that you know,

650
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: we all have our own history that we that we

651
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 5: that we vault and if anybody attempts to change that,

652
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 5: we go hold on. That's not what happened. That was

653
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 5: happening to me at a at a network level that

654
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 5: millions of people are going to see. So there was

655
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 5: some initial trust from from the early riders are going, Hey,

656
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: in order to tell a compelling story, we have to

657
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: sort of change a couple of things to make sure

658
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 5: the teenage girl is watching this for the same reason

659
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: the sixty year old man is watching this because there's

660
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 5: a structure to writing a teen drama. So it was

661
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: allowing myself to go, Okay, I'm gonna see I'm gonna

662
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 5: trust you guys, but like, just can we tweak a

663
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 5: couple of things, And you know, credit to some of

664
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 5: the early writers and whatnot and which largely allow them

665
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: to still on the show to today. They allowed me

666
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: to come in and tell my stories and put them

667
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: in organic ways to elevate the show. And you know,

668
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: arguably so our first season, our original showrunner stepped away

669
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: in k and KEETCHR. Corel Carroll then took over as

670
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: a showwner and is now still the showrunner. She has,

671
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 5: I believe, three shows on air incredible black women, incredible

672
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 5: strong writer, amazing, amazing mentor amazing champion for stories about us.

673
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 5: If she didn't take the reins when she did, All

674
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: American maybe goes half a season, maybe a full season,

675
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 5: and it's kind of just like lost to history. So

676
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 5: those early couple of years of understanding that Spencer James

677
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: is now changing my own history, it messed me for

678
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: a little bit. I will be completely like extremely vulnerable

679
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 5: with you because again, our history, like our lived experience,

680
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 5: is something that like we vault, that's our story that

681
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 5: we own that if nothing else in the world. And

682
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 5: now I have people looking at me kind of mad

683
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: that I actually didn't get shot like it sells like

684
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 5: it says in the TV show. I've literally had high

685
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 5: schoolers go, oh man, you've never been shot before, and

686
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, like you don't want I shouldn't. That's

687
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 5: not a bad thing. So it was it was getting

688
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 5: to a point where, you know, realizing Spencer James had

689
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: to serve a purpose larger than just telling my story.

690
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: It was Spencer James and the cast largely reflect the

691
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 5: teen experience in America today, and for the past couple

692
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: of years, we always felt every seventy ten years, there

693
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 5: comes that teen drama that sort of defines an era.

694
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 5: You know, it's Friday Night Lights, It's Gilmore Girls, One

695
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 5: Tree Hill, nine to two, or oh, those type of shows.

696
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 5: Those shows never really had a black lead. Those shows

697
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: never had black characters going through you know, unapologetically black stuff.

698
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 5: And we felt, if we did this right, all Americans

699
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 5: stand up there next to those iconic teen dramas as

700
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 5: just the next spoken the will of teen dramas going

701
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 5: down the road.

702
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's a great explanation. So but I

703
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: got to take it back just a little bit personal.

704
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: So at any point in time you like y'all won't

705
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: give my script and I'm going along.

706
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: Like did you did that ever happen?

707
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: And I want to know early on when you're starting

708
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: to see some of these things where you like like nah,

709
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: this that ain't it, Like I want to come in

710
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: like this has to happen because that was because trying

711
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: to keep it real right right, because it is it

712
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: is your story, yeah, And so when you have to

713
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: be able to give up the reins like this, I'm

714
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: just like, man, that's got to be so hard because

715
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: not only is this my story, but this.

716
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: Is my life.

717
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And so you kind of spoke on that

718
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I just want to know from

719
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: a personal standpoint, at any point till me like nah, bro,

720
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: like I'm taking my home, like.

721
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Nah, there I go somewhere else.

722
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 5: There were a couple of times where I had to

723
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: have those hard conversations with the early showgrun of.

724
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Just like why is this in here? Yeah?

725
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 5: To explain this to me because I do not see

726
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 5: a path forward with this being in here. Yeah, and

727
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 5: you know, credit to them and the staff.

728
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: That's a very professional way to say that.

729
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: Well, so here's the thing, like I knew, especially in

730
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: those early days, what an opportunity this was. I knew

731
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: that this was if I've spent the last four to

732
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 5: five years teaching myself how to scream, right, and now

733
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 5: I have people attempting to tell my story, I can

734
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: use this. This is allowing me to get into the door,

735
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: and now I can get busy in this world. So

736
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: it wasn't so much being shortsighted of I'm taking my

737
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 5: ball and going home. It was Okay, I see some

738
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: folks up stuff, But how can I massage this in

739
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: a way to where like we're still moving things forward,

740
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: my voice is still heard. But then I'm also allowing

741
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 5: this to spawn out and create other opportunities. So it

742
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: was having that foresight to know to know that.

743
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: So I guess what I don't understand. What I'm confused

744
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: on is you have a group of writers, right, yes,

745
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: so they write the story. Do you write anything else

746
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 4: when they when it comes out? Or is it just

747
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: they write it and you make a couple edits or

748
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: like how much?

749
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: How much? How much?

750
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: Not even releverage.

751
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: How much pool do.

752
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: You have when you say no, let's change that, so

753
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: add this, do this, take that out.

754
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: What's amazing about our writer's room, especially again shout out

755
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: to NK and our staff, is it is an extremely

756
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 5: collaborative experience. It's never and for people in the writer's room,

757
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: it's never you go off and write the script. You

758
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: go off and write the script and then we'll just

759
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: come back and make sure everything's aligned. Every scene, every emotion,

760
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 5: every dialogue is poured over by ten writers including me

761
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: and the Showbunner got it. Well, it's not so much

762
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm writing this, I need you to write

763
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: the rest of it, or let me see a review

764
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: to make sure it's good. It's before a word is

765
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 5: even written, that writer who's tasked with writing that episode

766
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: has a ten to twelve page document going by scene,

767
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 5: who's in the scene, what emotions are coming from the scene,

768
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 5: what are we getting out of that scene to then

769
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 5: go off and write it. And that is what's largely

770
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: with especially in the earlier seasons that I had such

771
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 5: a great hand in helping craft. Now like I'm involved

772
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 5: as much as I can be. I have a couple

773
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 5: other projects that are in development right now in various stages.

774
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 5: So it's like I can't be there as much as

775
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 5: I can be, but whenever I go there, we get

776
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: right back into it.

777
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: You know.

778
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: It is genuinely a family slash ecosystem because our showrunner,

779
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 5: if you do good work for our show runner, NK,

780
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 5: she will elevate you within the world of.

781
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: All American Yeah, so what other projects I know you

782
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: just mentioned. What other projects are you working on that

783
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: you can speak of?

784
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the you know, I'm currently writing a film

785
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 5: for Kevin Hart's company. I pitch them a story.

786
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: Again.

787
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 5: We're in Inglewood right now. I went to school in

788
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: Ingwood from K through eighth and it's a story about

789
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 5: a young black kid from Inglewood seeking his first kiss

790
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: before the end of the world. It takes place the

791
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 5: week of winter break, right before Y two k hits,

792
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 5: so December nineteen ninety nine, and it's every bit of

793
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 5: the wood, a little Scott Pilgrim versus the world, just

794
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 5: like some like some of those neighborhood movies where you know, yes,

795
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 5: the world is ending, but all this kid, our main

796
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 5: character cares about is getting his first kids. So it's

797
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: sort of an ode to my elementary school, in my

798
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 5: middle school. A lot of the names that populate the

799
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 5: script are my friends. A lot of them are still

800
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 5: my friends till today. Another film i'm writing, actually, you know,

801
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 5: because we are where we are, is I'm writing a

802
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: film about Bill None. Bill None the second. So Bill

803
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: Nunn was actually like one of the greatest NFL scouts

804
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 5: to ever live. He's right now the only black man

805
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: to enter the NFL, the NFL Hall of Fame without

806
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: ever playing the game. You know, this is a guy

807
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 5: who in nineteen sixty nine Dan Rooney hired him or

808
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: convinced him to join the Steelers staff when the Steelers

809
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 5: were one of the worst in net organizations in the NFL,

810
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: and from sixty seven I think you passed away. I

811
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 5: want to say in twenty fourteen he was sort of

812
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 5: the architect behind what we know the Steelers to be today.

813
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: You know, he in.

814
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 5: Nineteen seventy four he found or was technically the architect

815
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 5: behind the greatest draft class of any sport ever. Where

816
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 5: you guys know, if you're a general manager, you find

817
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: one Hall of famer, you're like, I can hang my

818
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 5: hat on that. He orchestrated a nineteen seventy four draft

819
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: that found them five and one draft, four drafted and

820
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 5: one undrafted guy in Donnie Shale. So it's this crazy

821
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 5: cool story of how a black scout in nineteen sixty

822
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 5: seven through nineteen seventy four created a energy, a dynamic

823
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 5: around the changing of the black athlete from the more subdued,

824
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 5: respectable Jackie Robinson in the sixties, mid sixties and whatnot

825
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 5: to the changing of the ties. And now you're getting,

826
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 5: you know, a Jim Brown, You're getting a Muhammad Ali,

827
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 5: You're getting those guys go hey, if you hit me,

828
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hit you back. So it's this cool story

829
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: of how a guy is essentially shepherding a new black

830
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: athlete into the NFL, making them realize they actually have

831
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: power in this space. So really excited about that. I've

832
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 5: been working with the family. Actually spent some time with

833
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 5: the Pittsburgh Steelers about I think it was last year

834
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: the year before, just going through the archives, meeting with

835
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 5: all the Woney family as much as many as I could,

836
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin even says personally, there are conversations

837
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 5: that me and Bill Nunn Junior had that I cannot

838
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 5: tell anybody, you know, it's just it's he was such

839
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: a powerful person. And you know, Lord wheeling like, we're

840
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 5: creating an incredibly dope story kind of with a little

841
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 5: splash of black sportation in it because of the time.

842
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 5: This was a time in the in the seventies where

843
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: you know, black athletes, specifically the NFL. You know, you're

844
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 5: seeing the Me and Joe Greens become who they were.

845
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: This is also the time when black sportation was at

846
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 5: was at pretty much an all time high. This was

847
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: the new next wave in cinema. I can only imagine

848
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 5: what that looked like being a black player in the

849
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 5: NFL seeing yourself for the first time in a shaft

850
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 5: or superfly and as a person of prominence and it's

851
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: not getting killed at the end of the film and

852
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 5: outsmarting people. How does that play on the field when

853
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 5: you can see yourself for the first time in film

854
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 5: being vaulted as a superhero and not a villain.

855
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: You know?

856
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: So, yeah, really cool story. I'm really excited to do it.

857
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 5: We've been working on a story for some time now,

858
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 5: and the materials are just about done. I'm just doing

859
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 5: some small tailoring. But to me, Bill on Dream was

860
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 5: every bit Denzel Washington American gangster. It's a hidden figures

861
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 5: type story, but it's also a moneyball type story because

862
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 5: we're talking about the science of scouting.

863
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and we really want to.

864
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 5: Get intricate with the science of scouting and how Bill

865
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: Nunn found players because it was a unique way in

866
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 5: how he found players as well.

867
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: So that's really dope.

868
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: Now I gotta go back a little bit because you

869
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: did bring it up. Man, I'm sorry, I think it

870
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: It really took off in my own mind because I

871
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 2: was really intrigued by it, and that is the whole

872
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: you got into the executive producer.

873
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: You helped with the.

874
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: HBO show documentary b as High, which was about Bishop

875
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: Sycamore in the scandal, And look, I gotta be honest

876
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: with you, it was good.

877
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

878
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: That coach is still throwed off in my book, and

879
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: like he still believes like what he did.

880
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: Was and it's like it's it's you can't tell that

881
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: man nothing.

882
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

883
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: So when I heard that you did this, I was like,

884
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: I gotta know, I just gotta know, Like what did

885
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: you learn from doing that show? What that documentary about

886
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: that coach? The situation, like just share with it. Was

887
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: it not to just say, man, you full of thank you?

888
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

889
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: You don't know he was lying. Yeah, he acts like

890
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: he didn't hear.

891
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: I'll say it.

892
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: How hard was it, bro?

893
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: You full of you?

894
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Full of it?

895
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: Bro?

896
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: It was?

897
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and then like when everybody else found out

898
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: that like.

899
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: Holdo, holda hold on, this isn't a real school.

900
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't like it was a whole bunch of

901
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: emotions from everybody.

902
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: And so I was so happy that you did that documentary.

903
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 5: Man, thank you, because that was a documentary that it

904
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 5: caught like wildfire.

905
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.

906
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 5: It was one of those things where when the story dropped,

907
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 5: I actually didn't watch the game. I just heard it

908
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: on Twitter, just just blowing up. I jokingly I read

909
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: an article and jokingly sent it to a colleague of

910
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: mind that works with Adam McKay, and I said, we

911
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 5: should go after this story. I didn't know what it

912
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 5: was at the time. I just knew there was a

913
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 5: team that got blown out by the best team in

914
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: the country and they should not have been there. There's

915
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 5: a story behind.

916
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: This, and they looked like grown men. But now I

917
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: know why they wasn't in shape, so it was grown men.

918
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 5: So I mean I hit my colleague gop. He sends

919
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 5: me a message from Adam McKay was like, go get

920
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: this if you can. So that's all I needed. So

921
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 5: I'm on Twitter, I'm on Instagram trying to figure out

922
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: like some end to the team end up getting in

923
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 5: front of a handful of the players and the coaches.

924
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 5: But mind you, there were other production companies like circling

925
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: this story. So I'm an independent producer. I was just

926
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 5: trying to like fight them off for using all American

927
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 5: and go like, hey, I've lived the experience that you

928
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 5: guys are trying to live, Like let's have this conversation

929
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 5: because I know all of y'all could not have been

930
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 5: in on this story, you know, like something's happening here.

931
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 5: I was able to bring Michael Strahan and Adam Kay

932
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: together to co producer with myself, and it was just

933
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 5: this crazy.

934
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Story of.

935
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 5: The truth is owned by whoever has the information, and

936
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: for somebody like Roy, there's a grey area there, yeah,

937
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 5: that he lives and thrives in, and if you get

938
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 5: too close to him you can start to believe it too.

939
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 5: You know, there's those long days on set and whatnot

940
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 5: where you're hearing him talk and everything. It's like, you know,

941
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: he looks like us, he talks like us and everything.

942
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 5: So you're hearing him, you're like, well, yeah, you are right.

943
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 5: High school football is romanticize assets, like let's do it

944
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: for the lower of it all. But it's really a

945
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 5: multi billion dollar year industry. I just want a piece

946
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 5: of it. And you're like, dang, that's you're kind of

947
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 5: right there. So you he throws up a lot of

948
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: these half truths, but then he'll sneak in a little

949
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 5: bit of a lie in there and go it's up

950
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: to you to find it. So now you're kind of

951
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: weeding through what's what and you look up and he's

952
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: just smiling at you, like waiting for you to like

953
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 5: see if you did it or not. So it was

954
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 5: it was an interesting two years kind of running and

955
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: gutting with their project, going to Columbus, Ohio a few

956
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 5: times out of the year. I think that the kids

957
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 5: who are absolutely wrong in some in some of those situations.

958
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 5: But it's one of those things where I think the

959
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: reason why the story hits so hard is because this

960
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: wasn't a story that had a nice bowl wrapped around it.

961
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 5: It was a story that goes, if you hate me,

962
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: by logic, you have to hate the system of high

963
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 5: school football because the system of high school football allows

964
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 5: me to operate based on the rules that they don't

965
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 5: have in it. So I'm going to be around. I'm

966
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 5: not in jail, and I can do this again. And

967
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 5: I think that's why the doc hit the way it did,

968
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: because it wasn't this bad guy gets caught up and

969
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: now he's in jail or whatever.

970
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look like your.

971
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 5: Uncle, I look like somebody you know that football that's

972
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 5: in a position of power, and I'm free to rome. Yes,

973
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 5: you should terrify you if you if you have kids

974
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 5: or anybody you love playing pres sports.

975
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: So true, but I don't even say it was dangerous.

976
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: But to me, it just kind of took over.

977
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 2: It really did take over the country for a little

978
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: bit because nobody can really believe, like, how does that happen?

979
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: And so I'm really glad you got to bring that

980
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: story to us all and share with us, because we

981
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: all were like, how does this like how there's no

982
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: way this dude table But it was great that you

983
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: were able to share that with us.

984
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: So thank you. I really do thank you for that.

985
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that you did that until like,

986
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: until we start doing some research on this.

987
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: So I really really appreciate that. Now.

988
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: The thing that a lot of us deal with it's

989
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: perception versus reality. And so Coach Vera would always tell us,

990
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, perception is reality until you change it.

991
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 3: And so perceive you how they treat you.

992
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I wonder how you have to deal

993
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: with this? Is that that how often do you have

994
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: to deal with Oh, you're a football player that's trying

995
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: to be this writer versus no, no, no, I'm actually more

996
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: than the football player, Like I'm a screenwriter now that

997
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: used to be a football a football player, and not

998
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: saying like and look, for my whole career, I wanted

999
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: to be known as more than just a football player.

1000
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, you're no longer a

1001
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: football player. And I'm now I'm trying to tell my son, no, no, no, dude,

1002
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: I used to ball like I can't. And so everybody's

1003
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: in this constant battle of perception versus reality, and so

1004
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: with you in this industry, it's a completely different industry

1005
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: than most of us could never get into and you've

1006
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: been able to crack into it, and not only that,

1007
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: but you're a young budding superstar in this realm, Like

1008
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: how do you constantly deal with that battle? It may

1009
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: be the pressures that come along with it.

1010
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's definitely pressures with it, Absolutely pressures, And I

1011
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 5: think it's It wasn't until recently, maybe like a year

1012
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 5: or two ago, where you know when you when you

1013
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 5: get when somebody introduces you or you have to introduce

1014
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 5: yourself and they're like, oh, what do you you know?

1015
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 5: What do you do and everything? You're just like a

1016
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 5: how much time do you have? How far do I

1017
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 5: go back to start the description of who I am?

1018
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 5: And it was really me and maybe about two years ago,

1019
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 5: going when I have to introduce myself, I am a writer, producer.

1020
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 5: I'm no longer I played in the NFL for a

1021
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: little bit on the Super Bowl, I made the commitment

1022
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 5: to go, I'm a writer producer.

1023
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: Now what comes with that is.

1024
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: Becoming a writer and producer and knowing that when you

1025
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 5: say that, you can stand on your word, because if

1026
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 5: anybody asked to read something of yours or to see

1027
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 5: your work, you can take it out the bag and

1028
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 5: go here, take a look. Do you want a feature?

1029
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 5: Do you want to do you want a short fielm

1030
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 5: do like?

1031
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: I have it all?

1032
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 5: So it was it was it was making that decision

1033
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, making sure if find it

1034
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 5: how I wanted to define it, because to be honest,

1035
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 5: you know, even that first year or so in the

1036
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 5: in that transition, there were people even on set of

1037
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 5: all Americans, that could not talk to me if they

1038
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 5: weren't talking about football or we use a football pun

1039
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 5: when there was no reason, like we could be talking

1040
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 5: about like the financial market. We'd be talking about real

1041
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 5: estate or whatever whatever, and they'll go like, oh, like

1042
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 5: it sounds like you really punt it that, you know,

1043
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: and it's just what are we doing here? Like what

1044
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 5: do we didn't need to We didn't need to take

1045
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: me down that route. Or there's some people, there's some

1046
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: people on set that would go, hey, if you want

1047
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 5: to go play another season, like we'll take it from here.

1048
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 5: You just come back when the lights on. I'm like, no,

1049
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: you guys gotta understand this is what I love. Therefore,

1050
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to be here from sun up to sundown

1051
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: through the night. A lot of those early scenes the

1052
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 5: early season football scenes are shot from five pm to

1053
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 5: five am. We call it beating the sun, So it's

1054
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 5: being on set during those dog days, during those dark

1055
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 5: hours where it's like, if if a box needs to

1056
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 5: be moved, I'm fine moving that because that pushes the

1057
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 5: production forward. And earlier on there were a few people

1058
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 5: that just could not see beyond the bio of, oh,

1059
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 5: this guy's an NFL player, so I should only talk

1060
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 5: to him aout football because that's all I think he

1061
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: wants to talk about. So the pressure was there to

1062
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 5: go externally. They see me as something, not that I

1063
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 5: want to prove them wrong. I'm just trying to prove

1064
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: myself right. I'm trying to prove myself right in the

1065
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 5: fact that this is not my new career. I'm deciding

1066
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 5: that this is my new career and now let me

1067
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 5: go make it my new career. So it was a

1068
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: lot of a lot of doubt to start off of

1069
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 5: am I going to be the guy that just has

1070
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: all American on the air. One of my biggest fears,

1071
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: and I know maybe we all experience it, is when

1072
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 5: you leave the league, you feel like this window is

1073
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 5: kind of closing. One opportunity you know, the people aren't

1074
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 5: going to Maybe some people aren't going to answer that

1075
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: phone call anymore, they're not going to answer that email.

1076
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 5: That code email that you're sending doesn't carry much weight

1077
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: because it doesn't have Chicago Bears.

1078
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: Or Caro and Panthers attached to it, you know.

1079
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 5: So I always had that fear of being the guy

1080
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 5: that had All American on the air, not being the

1081
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 5: guy like, oh yeah, I don't know All American on

1082
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 5: the air, but now he has a couple other things

1083
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 5: that he's working on. That was my drive of not

1084
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 5: not allowing football and even All American to be the

1085
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 5: one or two things in my life that were able

1086
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 5: to pop off because I'm thirty five years old. All American,

1087
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 5: you know, for better or words could be off the

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00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: season in the next couple of seas, off the air

1089
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 5: in the next couple of years. If I'm ninety years old

1090
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: still talking about my playing days when you first meet me,

1091
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 5: or All American, like, I've kind of failed that life

1092
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 5: because I've only lived hopefully my first what third of

1093
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: my life. Yeah, so's it's that want to continue to

1094
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 5: redefine myself, to chase the dreams that I define for myself.

1095
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: That gets me up, That allows me to pick up

1096
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 5: my kids, That allows me to go and say like, hey,

1097
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 5: my son, my daughter. I want to be able to

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00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 5: convince you guys that I played football because you guys

1099
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 5: have never really seen it before. And it's funny seeing

1100
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 5: my son look at like highlights. I've just recently showed

1101
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 5: him one of two clips and he's like, are you

1102
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 5: serious as you like if you have a homet I

1103
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 5: can't like verify if this. I'm like, no, no, that's me,

1104
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: Like your last name is on that jersey and he's like,

1105
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 5: all right, he's only four years old, so he doesn't

1106
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: understand it. But to me, that is a win because

1107
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 5: he has seen me in so many other lights outside

1108
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: of just being the guy that played on the gridiron.

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00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: Ye.

1110
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, Well we always trying to ask everybody this question.

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00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: You know, it goes a lot of different ways, and

1112
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: that is.

1113
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: Who do you have on your mount rushmore of influence?

1114
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: It could be on the field, off the field, this

1115
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: is yours.

1116
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: You get four kind of okay, so you you take

1117
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: that wherever you want.

1118
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: Of influence? I would, I mean Barack Obama's up there

1119
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 5: when I remember where I was exactly where I was

1120
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 5: when he won the election. Was I was in my

1121
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 5: in my house in Eugene, Oregon, doing econ homework, and

1122
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 5: the entire town lit up, and I was like, oh man,

1123
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 5: I got practice in the morning, you know, so Obama's

1124
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 5: up there.

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Speaker 2: So hold on because I was not expected Barack Obama

1126
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: to make the just because of what he accomplished, what

1127
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: he didn't get in to meet him.

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Speaker 1: Like, I get it.

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00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's to to know that historically he should

1130
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: not be there. Not only is he there, like we said,

1131
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 5: he knows how to command the room, no doubt not.

1132
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 5: Somebody's just happen to be there. He's like, all right,

1133
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: what are we doing here? Yeah, that's something to me.

1134
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: That was like I I you can learn how to

1135
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 5: move if more than anything, you can learn how to.

1136
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: Move like Barack Obama. Okay, I like that.

1137
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 5: The next person is sort of an unsung hero is

1138
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 5: honestly like Larry Wilmore, you know, writer, producer, super producer

1139
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: for all the shows that you know, the Insecures of

1140
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 5: the World, the Bernie mac Show, like you know, even

1141
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 5: dating back to I believe in Living Color, like Larry Wilmore,

1142
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 5: Little Larry Wilmore has been sort of a a curator

1143
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: a black television and film for the past like thirty years.

1144
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 5: Like he's the guy that people call to fix problems

1145
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: on their show. He's the guy to get if a

1146
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: network has a good writer or director or producer that

1147
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 5: they want to like, Okay, we want to give this

1148
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 5: person something. We got to sit in the larry first

1149
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 5: so he can like kind of put it through the

1150
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 5: ringer to make sure the product is just as good.

1151
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 5: So he's he's absolutely part of my part of my

1152
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 5: Mount Rushmore. Who else would it be? Who else would

1153
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: it be? He stuck me with this. I would say

1154
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: my older brother. And the reason why I would say

1155
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 5: my older brother, justin Pa Singer, is he taught me

1156
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 5: how to respect football. You know, I was actually a

1157
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 5: basketball player growing up, and I want to I want

1158
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 5: to go to U and CE I want to be

1159
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 5: a two guard. And it wasn't until I got to

1160
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: high school and saw how he carried himself and respected

1161
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 5: on his body and what he put into the game

1162
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 5: that I was like, if I have to play football

1163
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 5: to get to the next level, because my high school

1164
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 5: wasn't really send anybody to do want basketball. I now

1165
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 5: know how to do that because I saw my older

1166
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: brother doing that, so he's undoubtedly up there. And lastly,

1167
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: I will say it would be my grandfather. You know,

1168
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 5: my grandfather is somebody that and I know there's a

1169
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 5: ton more, but these are the ones that are on

1170
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 5: my heart right now. My grandfather was somebody that again

1171
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 5: as a project of the Great migration, moving to Los Angeles,

1172
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 5: sending his family, sending for his family. Once he raised

1173
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 5: a couple couple of dollars, I was able to give

1174
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 5: his own place. The house that I grew up in

1175
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: is the house that he raised my dad and my

1176
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 5: dad's brothers in. You know, the house my dad still

1177
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 5: lives in that house, and with my son being there,

1178
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 5: there's now four generations of pay singers that have that

1179
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 5: have populated that house. You know, this is a guy

1180
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 5: who he died in one of the richest black neighborhoods

1181
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 5: per capital in the country, Literaria Heights. But you look

1182
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: at his legs and his hands. He still has scars

1183
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 5: from picking connon because he was a sharecropper growing up

1184
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 5: as a kid. So his life story of going from

1185
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 5: sharecropping in playing dealing Louisiana to dying comfortably in his

1186
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 5: own bed in the richest black neighborhood. Proa capita in

1187
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 5: the country is like to me, like the American dream.

1188
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 5: And I recently went to his house that he grew

1189
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 5: up in, that we still owned the land in Mississippi

1190
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 5: and kids, you and that as soon as I stepped off,

1191
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 5: I just started balling. I was by myself. I was

1192
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 5: doing speeding engagement in Arkansas. Saw where the house was,

1193
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 5: drove that extra hour or so. As soon as I

1194
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 5: stepped on the land, I just started balling because I like,

1195
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 5: I felt, I felt him, I felt my family, I

1196
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 5: felt my ancestors. And I just walked the land for hours,

1197
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 5: just picking up things, putting stuff down. And it was

1198
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 5: my grandfather, my brother, Larry Wilmore, and Barack Obama top

1199
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 5: of mind right now in my heart. Like those are

1200
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: the guys I will vault any day of the week.

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00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: Well said, Well said, yeah, Will said, I'm good. I'm good.

1202
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 3: Great answer, great answer.

1203
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: All right, man, get us out of here.

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00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,759
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Speaker 4: wrong that Spence. Hey, y'all, appreciate y'all, Thank y'all for listening.

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Speaker 1: We out