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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, and welcome to BLEEP. This week, we have

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Speaker 1: a great interview with Representative Robert Garcia. He's from California.

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Speaker 1: He's the Democratic ranking member on the Oversight Committee, and

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Speaker 1: in that role, he's been spearheading the investigations into the

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Speaker 1: Epstein files. He took us behind the scenes, he took

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Speaker 1: us behind closed doors. We talked about the interview with

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates, with Pam Bondi, and many other things related

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Speaker 1: to the Epstein files. He also discussed his recent visit

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Speaker 1: to Delaney Hall, which is the immigration detention center in

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Speaker 1: New York. That's where there's been protests erupting because of

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Speaker 1: the conditions there. But before we get to that, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Trump's latest fiasco, and of course

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the reflecting Pool. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: let's just take note that there are no body, there's

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Speaker 1: been nobody in the United States since the Epstein files

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Speaker 1: have been released arrested or brought in for questioning by

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Speaker 1: DOJ regarding those files. But there have now been at

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Speaker 1: least five people arrested accused of vandalism over the reflecting Pool,

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Speaker 1: wrongly accused, and they are going to apparently throw the

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Speaker 1: of the law. So let's talk about the Reflecting Pool,

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Speaker 1: shall we, Because honestly, if it wasn't great, because it's

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Speaker 1: such a significant, you know, historically significant part of America

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Speaker 1: and monument of America, it really would be comical and funny.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's still comical despite the fact that it

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Speaker 1: is the Reflecting Pool. So let's break it down a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I'm sure you guys have heard about this fiasco,

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Speaker 1: but there's a few things that I think are worth highlighting.

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Speaker 1: First of all, as you all know, Donald Trump offered

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Speaker 1: no bid contracts to two companies, and I kid you not,

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Speaker 1: one of those companies is called green Water Solutions. I

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Speaker 1: am not making this up. Go look it up. Not

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Speaker 1: only is it called Greenwater Solutions, which seem like quite

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Speaker 1: the omen for what would happen to the pool, but

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Speaker 1: it's owned by this Trump donor. And like you know,

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Speaker 1: these guys have been like Trump's pool guys, I guess

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Speaker 1: in mar A Lago and other places. And this Trump

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Speaker 1: donor his name is JJ Kafaro or something like this.

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Speaker 1: I am begging you all to go google this guy

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Speaker 1: and look at his picture. He looks like. When I

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Speaker 1: first saw his picture, I thought I was seeing him

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Speaker 1: in costume. I thought he was in Halloween costume, dressed

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Speaker 1: as a pre Ocempic Gomez Adams. But no, this is

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Speaker 1: actually what guy looks like. I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: it's possible to give a no bid contract, And that's

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Speaker 1: why we have these processes in place in government so

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Speaker 1: that qualified companies bid for the job and also have

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Speaker 1: to prove their qualifications before given the job. So the

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Speaker 1: reflecting pool was built between nineteen twenty two and nineteen

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Speaker 1: it's got a depth of eighteen inches or a foot

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Speaker 1: so it's less than three feet in depth. And it's

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Speaker 1: located in the National Mall, directly between the Lincoln Memorial

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Speaker 1: and the Washington Monument. And you guys know, we all remember,

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Speaker 1: in front of the reflecting pool. We've all seen the

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Speaker 1: images of the reflecting pool in Forest Gum, and so

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Speaker 1: what happened here? So experts agree that the pool needed

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Speaker 1: drainage work. There you know, it's an old pool, over

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Speaker 1: one hundred years old. But Trump's focus wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: drainage work, the much needed drainage work. He was laser

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Speaker 1: focused on the cosmetics. He wanted to paint the bottom

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Speaker 1: is Kermit the frog green, another failed effort to put

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Speaker 1: his stamp on Washington, d C. Ahead of the two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth celebration. So we are days away from

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Speaker 1: that's full of algae. It is so polluted with algae

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Speaker 1: There's chunks of the flooring coming off in pieces. It

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Speaker 1: have is a disaster of a reflecting pool. You know

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Speaker 1: what it does reflect It reflects Donald Trump. So you

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Speaker 1: can't see your reflection in it. But I think it

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Speaker 1: and the fact that his government is not draining the swamp.

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Speaker 1: It is an algae full, murky water swamp. It'll need

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden had said this, men in white coats would

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Speaker 1: even blink anymore. So he's now claiming that vandals took

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Speaker 1: hundred foot gashes on the floor of the reflecting pool.

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Speaker 1: You know what could actually be the truth that Donald

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Speaker 1: into this entire reflecting thing when it got refloored when

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Speaker 1: they applied the floor covering, Donald Trump took the Beast,

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Speaker 1: the presidential limousine, which weighs ten thousand pounds ten tons,

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Speaker 1: had been covered. Experts agree that this is what could

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Speaker 1: have cost the three hundred foot gashes on the floor

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Speaker 1: He was locked up for five hours and held in

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Speaker 1: Cummunicado after he touched the peeling paint and the algae

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Speaker 1: infested pool. So this is what's happening with the reflecting pool.

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Speaker 1: We will have to see how it ends. And again,

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Speaker 1: what a swamp this guy has created. Another thing I

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Speaker 1: Mayor Sora On Mandani. He helped three progressive congressional candidates

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Speaker 1: He defeated two incumbents and the proxy of a third incumbent.

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Speaker 1: Claire Valdes, she's not a very well known assembly woman

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Nitdia of Alaskas had endorsed. Congresswoman Nitdia of Alaskas

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Speaker 1: And the third candidate is Darialisa Avilat Chevalier. She's a

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Speaker 1: Adriano Espayat. He is the first Dominican, the first who

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Speaker 1: tell you I was shocked. I was not shocked that

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Speaker 1: important it is to vote in primaries. These primary races

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Speaker 1: Something like five percent of eligible voters showed up to

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Speaker 1: And it's you know, Alejano Spayat is a guy who

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Speaker 1: So tells you I think of things about my mom, Donnie.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he is an ideologue and he wants

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Speaker 1: This guy took on people who had supported him, people

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Speaker 1: think people like Hakeem Jeffries, also from New York, people

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Speaker 2: This could mean that there's.

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Speaker 1: Now more wind in the sales of Alexandria Casio Quortez

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Speaker 1: urging her to run against Chuck Schumer in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: primary for the US Senate representing New York. That's a

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Speaker 1: race that we'll see in twenty twenty eight. And I

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Speaker 1: worried right now. Okay, so let's now move on to

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Speaker 1: this great interview with Robert Garcia. He's such a dynamo

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Speaker 1: and just doing such a spectacular work not letting go

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Speaker 1: of the Epstein files. We have as a guest today,

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Speaker 1: Robert Garcia. He is a Congressman from California. He's on

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Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee. But I'll tell you why. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I admire him for many reasons, but one of the

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Speaker 1: many reasons is because he has been a pitbull with

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Speaker 1: survivors and victims. And there's so many things I can

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Speaker 2: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just totally a joke. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: Actually, his candidate did win. The candidate he endorsed, Steve

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's right. I mean, look, you obviously wanted Spencer

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Speaker 2: California elections are secure. People need to understand the elections,

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Speaker 1: But Robert I think that one of the things he

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Speaker 1: You know, we need to we need to tell people

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Speaker 2: That's right. I mean, not only did you want to

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a backlash. I think

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Speaker 2: Well, I think first, I think it's important what I said.

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Speaker 2: They won a what center this investigation of the survivor.

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Speaker 2: For me, it become very personal in getting to know

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Speaker 1: And you know, what's something that I just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's person of all, absolutely right. I

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Speaker 2: So it's been both Republican and democratic administration. Of course,

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Speaker 2: And the folks in passive administration that chose to do nothing,

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Speaker 2: I've been asking Republicans well to bring in Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 2: We need to ask Merrik Garland what happened, Why did

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Speaker 1: I would love for you to bring in Merrick Garland

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Speaker 2: No, they have not, in fact that they refused to

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Speaker 2: else but Kallainne Maxwell, who we should talk about in

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Speaker 2: So really interesting A couple of things. One is, Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: these powerful men, they knew what was going on and

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Speaker 2: chose to engage regarded Jeffrey Epstein.

431
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Speaker 1: I mean, explain this to me like if I was

432
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Speaker 1: a five year old. Jeffrey Epstein was paying for the

433
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: coding school of the bridge player, the Russian bridge player

434
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: that Bill Gates was having an affair with.

435
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is this was a very common thing

436
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: that Jeffrey Epstein would do. So one thing that we've uncovered,

437
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: it's not just an issue with with uh, with the

438
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: information that mister Gage. It's been across the board. Jeffrey

439
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: Epstein essentially would pay for a variety of tuition. We

440
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: found payment. They paid for different schooling while he painting,

441
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: he was paying for visas. He would engage for a

442
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: variety of different women and very powerful men to pay

443
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: for schooling, to paying for Bill, paying for vacations, paying

444
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: for all sorts are traveling for folks, and then to

445
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: bring people in from other countries. That is what Jeffary

446
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: Epstein did. So he would build this relationship. He would

447
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: get these women locked in. You would pay things for

448
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: people that he viewed as friends. And it was constant.

449
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: And we're seeing that in more and more financial records,

450
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: and we're not going to know the full extent of

451
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: what that kind of financial web look like until all

452
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: the financial records are acquired by our committee, which we're

453
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: working on, and until we get all of the filed.

454
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: You know, we only have half of the file. So

455
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: there's six million files, wear three million. The dj still

456
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: has another three million files they have not given to

457
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: the public.

458
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Speaker 1: So jd Vance was on the view. I don't know

459
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: if you saw the interview, and I pushed back hard

460
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Speaker 1: on him. One of the things he said is that

461
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: the reason that the other files, the millions that he

462
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: called a two point five million files, have not been

463
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: released is because they are duplicative and because they require

464
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Speaker 1: our court order. Either of those two things tripped.

465
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Speaker 2: No, because why died. We we don't know what's in

466
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Speaker 2: the files. So we can take we can take his word,

467
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: or we can take the word of the single most

468
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: corrupt administration administration there's largely the American public overnumber again,

469
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: or we can just release all the files. And here's

470
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: the reality. They've also said they have said, yes, they're duplicates. Okay,

471
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: let's see that. They've also said that they're with holding.

472
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Speaker 1: I said that to him on the view. I said, okay,

473
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Speaker 1: and the duplicative just release them now. That way, we

474
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Speaker 1: don't have anything to argue about.

475
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Speaker 2: We've told them the same thing. But then they've both said,

476
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: oh no, but wait, but we also have communication in

477
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: the files between DOJ official and others that we view

478
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: and something that we're not going to release. We're not

479
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: releasing interagency communication that is bullshit because the Transparency Act

480
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: is not allowed. And then to keep that then, of

481
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: course we know that they've said, well, if something is privileged,

482
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: you think that, we think that, you know, there's no

483
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: reason to release that. There's some sort of executive privilege

484
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: that does not exist in the subpoena and in our

485
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: work in getting the files out. They need to release

486
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: the three million documents and the White House cover up

487
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: from the very top. We know that President Scrump has

488
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: said it's a hoax, don't release anymore. You're going to

489
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: hurt my friends, et cetera, et cetera, then we release

490
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: all the files. Now, if J. D. Bant is saying,

491
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: I saw it as the way he was in my opinion,

492
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: it's clear that he didn't want to answer no questions.

493
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: He's the one hosting situation room meetings to try to

494
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: exonerate President Trump. Give me a break.

495
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I pushed back on him hard. I mean,

496
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Speaker 1: he also claimed that Donald Trump wanted to release the

497
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Speaker 1: trial the files.

498
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: That it's such a lie. I mean, over and over again,

499
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: we have evidence that Donald Trump can't want to release

500
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: the Filesand first when he first came into office, if

501
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: we know this, he telling me the A G the

502
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: A G. Pam Bondi is breathing in he is saying

503
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Speaker 2: to her, and he poured it widely not to release

504
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: the files. He said it publicly, it's a hoax. He

505
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: puts up members from the DJ sing there's no investigation,

506
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: that it's over. He brings the Magga influence to pretend

507
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: to release the file in a bunch of binders that

508
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. And over no again, he tries to

509
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: end the investigation. He'd never been interested in relasion of

510
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: filet in facting then everything can to hide them from

511
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: the lead.

512
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Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to be jumping around, but I'm just

513
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit struck by some of this Bill

514
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: Gates stuff. This email from Jeffrey Epstein about the medicine

515
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 1: to give to Melinda French Gates, Bill Gates's wife at

516
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: the time, because he was afraid that he'd been exposed

517
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: to us sexually transmitted dCas what did you ask him

518
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: and what did he say?

519
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: Bill Gates essentially said that he believed that Epstein was

520
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: emailing himself and Benny emails with things that were not true,

521
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: and that Bill might Uh basically refuses they were true.

522
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: And to what mister Geetz's position is is that.

523
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Why do you keep calling him mister Gates?

524
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: No, majola, Oh not Bill got call on both.

525
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, come the fuck on. He was you know,

526
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: he was hanging out with Epstein. He doesn't deserve the

527
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: mister thing. And I've admired this guy so much. I've

528
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: bought his books. I've been a great horror that we're

529
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: gonna call him.

530
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: Yesterday, all right, Bill Gate, Uh, I would call him social.

531
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Speaker 2: I get that, I get that. Look, we don't buy

532
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: that of course, and I think that at the end

533
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: of the day he gave his testimony, there's a lot

534
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: of testimony that opened up more questions for us. He

535
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: did not show the remorse I think is necessary of

536
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: any single person that is going to palel round with

537
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein after knowing what he did. And certainly the

538
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: idea that Jeffrey Epson was somehow emailing himself things that

539
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: were he knew were not true.

540
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: I just don't find that credit.

541
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Can we talk also staying on the Jeffrey Epstein, and

542
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk a lot about Jeffrey Epstein because

543
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I think this is where you've just been a star, Robert,

544
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: what the fuck with Lex Wexner?

545
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: Crazy?

546
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: That is the most disgusting, weird thing. And then just

547
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: talk us through though, because you all held a hearing

548
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio where Lex Wexner has this compound. I've

549
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: been in it, by the way, I've been. I've been

550
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: there because I did a speech there. Because you know,

551
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: this guy Wexner was seeing as this huge cultural influence

552
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: in Ohio. Whenever you go to Columbus, Ohio and you're

553
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: driving down, every building has the Wexner name on it.

554
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: He was like this incredibly admired guy. But you know,

555
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: it cannot be. It cannot be. That's that was the

556
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: only source of Jeffrey Epstein's money. And I've never felt

557
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: a real good answer as to where Jeffrey Epstein made

558
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: all this money that enabled him to have the island,

559
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: to have the private plane, and to do all the

560
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: things to rape and molest women. So talk to me

561
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: about the Lex Wexner.

562
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: Of it all and who he is. Tell people is yeah,

563
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: I mean, this is one of the most bizarre parts.

564
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: And first of all, I was narrative a date uh

565
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: to Go interviewed him as well, and I'm totally not

566
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: credible in my opinion, and my kid who was not

567
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: fully honest with the committee, so less wexert. So people understand,

568
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: this is a very very successful billionaire, invested a lot

569
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: of money early early on, kind of a lot of shot,

570
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: a lot a lot of clothing brands like Victoria's Secret

571
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: and others. And so he built this enormous well grum Ohio.

572
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: He basically builds a town. He's the founder of a

573
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: small town that he builds right right there in Ohio.

574
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: He well, he basically controlling this town and this town.

575
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: As you're building this town, people begin to notice that

576
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: the other person that's named kind of the co president

577
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: of the documents of building the town is Jeffrey Epstein.

578
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: So what are we talking about?

579
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: So there, this now would have been thirty twenty five

580
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: years ago, and and and this guy. What happens is

581
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: is he becomes potentially Epstein's main source of income, and

582
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: not only but main source. And we don't know exactly why.

583
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: What Leo, what what Wexter will tell you is that

584
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: he was tripped. He was a con manity, biggest comment

585
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: of all time. He was giving me tax advites, he

586
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: was giving me investment of the byte. He would giving

587
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Speaker 2: me a.

588
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: Say, main source of income. Do we know how much

589
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about?

590
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 2: We don't fully know, because I mean.

591
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: Epstein had hundreds of millions of dollars? Are you telling

592
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: me Wexner was the primary source of hundreds of millions

593
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: of dollars.

594
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: As of as of right now, we know that less

595
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: Wexner was a primary source, but we don't know the

596
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: full story of where all the money came from. We

597
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: just know he's a part of the money. Because we

598
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: don't have all the financial documents yet it's not it's

599
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: not Also for us, it's not believable that less Wexer

600
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: was the only main source of funding for Jeffrey Epstein.

601
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: Less Wexer, by the way, he goes on to give

602
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 2: all these resources craasically gives him the money to get

603
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: the house in New York, get some the money to

604
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: begin building the island, and there wasn't a lot in return.

605
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: And so the question in veg is what was actually

606
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: less Wester getting in return for all the investment in Epstein.

607
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Les Wester knew about the crimes. I believe he knew

608
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 2: what was going on.

609
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: Even though he didn't admit to it. He continued to

610
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: in a rack of Jeffrey Epstein, and he was intimately

611
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: involved in the investment. Jeffley EPs Less Moroxter were essentially

612
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: co investors. And there's just no way, well, less Russia.

613
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Didn't know what going on, But nothing's ever going to happen, right,

614
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: He's never going to be held accountable.

615
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that. I think I'm not sure

616
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: about that. I think Wes Rochester, somebody in the future,

617
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: he's not happy to be.

618
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: Held accountab Tell me about Leon Black.

619
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Speaker 2: He's another one that of course was a big investor.

620
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: Now Leon Black, also very wealthy billionaire, also invested at

621
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: Timbler to less Wester into Jeffrey Epstein. And in this,

622
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: in Leon Black's case, the issue is it is that

623
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: there are actually survivors. We have testimony a survivor that

624
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: that she was abused rape traffic by Jack. We have

625
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: seen two Lion Block. Now Leon Block is going to

626
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: be actually in front of our committee under an interview

627
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: and within a matter of a week. So we have

628
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: a ton of questions about that incident and of course

629
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: that survivor and with that survival experience. But again we

630
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: have no idea why all these all these men were

631
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: paying so much money to Jeff Rebsen. Once we get

632
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: our hands on all the financial records, and many of

633
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: them are under subpoena, we're going to be able to

634
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: answer that question a lot more clearly.

635
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about the behind

636
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: closed doors uh interview hearing with Pam Bondi, And let

637
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: me just before before you answer, let me just tell

638
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: you I've known Pam Bondi for decades. I'm from Florida.

639
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: I knew her when she was Attorney general. She was

640
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: a completely different person I have when I see Pam Bondie,

641
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: I have what you call bena a haena in Spanish.

642
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: Do you know that term? Then that bena a haena.

643
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: She she is like, I'm vicariously ashamed, like she should

644
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: have shame I have. She doesn't, but I do. I

645
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: have vicarious shame on behalf of her. What was that?

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Speaker 1: What was that interview?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What what did you learn?

649
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Speaker 2: Well? Look, I think first you know from day one

650
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: she's been involved with of this cover up and of

651
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Speaker 2: dots and survivors of the way the file got released.

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Speaker 2: She has a lot of responsibility on her. The main

653
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Speaker 2: thing that came out of that is that first of course,

654
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Speaker 2: she avoided try to testify early until we filed contempt

655
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Speaker 2: charges in the Congress. Then an hour later she agrees

656
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Speaker 2: to pestify in front of our committee. That's we had

657
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Speaker 2: a file contempt charge to get her to agree to testify.

658
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Speaker 2: She comes in to testify. Our biggest complaint to the

659
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Speaker 2: Republicans is if you're going to have her testify, you

660
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Speaker 2: have to put her under oh, and it can be

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Speaker 2: videotaped and it should be public. They refuse to do

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Speaker 2: any of those and so she comes in not under

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Speaker 2: oath by the way to interview with the committee.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean not under oath?

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Speaker 2: She wasn't under oath. So Republicans in in her interview

666
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Speaker 2: in front of the over second, they refuse to do

667
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Speaker 2: a public hearing or the epstein for the investigation. They

668
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Speaker 2: would used to put her under oath. So now she

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Speaker 2: can't write to Congress legally, but she was not under

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Speaker 2: own which is a huge, huge red fly.

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Speaker 1: Can she be charged with perjury if she's not sworn in?

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Speaker 2: She can'ah, she cannot light to Congress regardless, but being

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Speaker 2: under owed obviously, I think in the courts just reaching

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Speaker 2: different the different lover.

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Speaker 1: If Democrats retake the House. When Democrats retake the House

676
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Speaker 1: in November, despite all of Donald Trump's efforts to ring

677
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Speaker 1: the election on his you know, to benefit him, what

678
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Speaker 1: will change?

679
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Speaker 2: Like?

680
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Speaker 1: What would what? What will you guys do? That hasn't

681
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Speaker 1: been done?

682
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Speaker 2: So every single who's going to be chair of.

683
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Speaker 1: The committee if Democrats take the House, who's going to

684
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Speaker 1: be chair of the Committee of Oversight?

685
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Speaker 2: You're talking to.

686
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Speaker 1: Him, You're shitting me.

687
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm the current lead Democrat of the committee, So.

688
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Speaker 1: You're the ranking member, you will be the chair of

689
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Speaker 1: the committee. Okay, so then shit is going to happen.

690
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Speaker 1: Of course, what will you do as chair, as chair

691
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Speaker 1: of the oversight committee, what will you do that you

692
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Speaker 1: can't do in the minority.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, on day one, we will subpoena an incredibly

694
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Speaker 2: long list of people. We're talking about all the folks

695
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Speaker 2: around Epstein's Orbit, the banks, all these everyone from Pambondi, Cashptel,

696
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Speaker 2: Todd Blanche, Susie Wiles, the entire administration officials. We want

697
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Speaker 2: Jadvancher for the committee, every single.

698
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Speaker 4: Time, Mary Garland, alex A Costa, Stars Starland, alex Acosta,

699
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Speaker 4: every person that was working at the homes, the technology

700
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Speaker 4: people that want to fix the computers, the folks who

701
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Speaker 4: provided services to the video system, all the folks, the

702
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 4: prosecutors in Florida that went to alex Acosta and said,

703
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Speaker 4: we have the evidence to go after these possibly up

704
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Speaker 4: to twenty co conspirators.

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Speaker 2: A Costa, mister U's attorney, is the evidence to go

706
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Speaker 2: after these twenty people. I want to talk to those

707
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Speaker 2: prosecutors and I want the name of all of the

708
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Speaker 2: folks that they had requested to Acosta to actually prosecute.

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Speaker 1: You know, what's something that I just I cannot explain today.

710
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Speaker 1: Alex Acosta was nominated by Trump as Labor Secretary in

711
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Speaker 1: his first term and went through a Senate confirmation hearing,

712
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Speaker 1: and the Epstein issue was a blip on the screen.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this, Robert, I know alex Acosta.

714
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Speaker 1: I've known him. He was, you know, the dean of

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Speaker 1: the Florida International University Law School. I've known him for

716
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Speaker 1: many years. My theory on him is he was, you know,

717
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Speaker 1: he was US attorney under George W. Bush. His term

718
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: was coming to an end. Very ambitious guy, Cuban American

719
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Speaker 1: from the wrong side of the tracks, poor Cuban American,

720
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Speaker 1: wanting to make it. And I think he was trying

721
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Speaker 1: to make nice with those high powered attorneys that Jeffrey

722
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Speaker 1: Epstein had, Roy Black, I mean, all of them. I

723
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Speaker 1: think it was part of him, you know, part of that.

724
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Speaker 1: And I also think it was a different time in

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Speaker 1: America before the Me Too movement, when the idea that

726
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Speaker 1: a rich, powerful, connected guy fucking around with post pubescent girls,

727
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Speaker 1: even if it was fourteen or fifteen year old, somehow

728
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Speaker 1: we look the other way.

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Speaker 2: I did one hundred percent right and look, we had

730
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Speaker 2: Aliceacosta come in. We asked him some questions again not

731
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Speaker 2: a public and.

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Speaker 1: He pretended not to you know who, you know, you

733
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Speaker 1: know who you need to have on you know, you

734
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Speaker 1: know who you need to interview. The woman who worked

735
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Speaker 1: under alex Acosta, the line attorney working under alex Acosta,

736
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Speaker 1: who sent him all sorts of memos saying you cannot

737
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Speaker 1: make this deal. That's the woman, the person you have

738
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Speaker 1: to bring in.

739
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Speaker 2: Oh, we trust me, she's all this until we're we're

740
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Speaker 2: very aware.

741
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I cannot wait for you to be

742
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Speaker 1: the chair of oversight.

743
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to bring all these boks under oak

744
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Speaker 2: in public hearing.

745
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: But as chairs of oversight, you also can do oversight

746
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Speaker 1: over what's happening with Ice.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent people at me. Who's the first subpoena

748
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Speaker 2: you're going to offend period? It can be Stephen Milling.

749
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Speaker 2: So there there are all issues in front of oversight.

750
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Speaker 2: There have been nobody more destructive that's hurt not just

751
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Speaker 2: the Latino immigrant community, but this country and our valleys

752
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Speaker 2: and Stephen Milling. And so we're going to have our

753
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Speaker 2: EPs investigation. But Stephen Miller is in the front of

754
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Speaker 2: our in front of our committee, you're going to answer

755
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Speaker 2: a question as to why he tried to destroy the

756
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Speaker 2: fabric of a country that is the mastermind in many

757
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: cases behind so much of the or or is it's

758
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Speaker 2: coming out of the white. So we're looking forward to

759
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Speaker 2: having give in front of the seamony as well.

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Speaker 1: So you know, when Jade Vance was on the view,

761
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Speaker 1: I said to him, why don't you go to some

762
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Speaker 1: of these detention centers. Why don't you go to Dilly

763
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Speaker 1: detention center where children are being held and they're getting

764
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Speaker 1: sick and dying because of dirty water, because of lack

765
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Speaker 1: of nourishment, because of I mean, it's just horrible what's

766
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Speaker 1: happening in those places. And he said, well, if I go,

767
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Speaker 1: they're going to know and they're going to turn it

768
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Speaker 1: into the Four Seasons. So Kamalahara's got all sorts of

769
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: shit rightly so for not going to the border. But

770
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Speaker 1: when is there going to be oversight over what's happening

771
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Speaker 1: in these I mean there are concentration camps, they're not

772
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Speaker 1: detention centers.

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Speaker 2: Not only are are people living in concentration camp conditions

774
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Speaker 2: in these centers, but they have refused to allow Congress

775
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Speaker 2: to do the constitutional beauty and do oversight. We had

776
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: to actually sue the government to have homeland security. We

777
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: allow folks to come back in that we can go

778
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Speaker 2: into the center. It used to be that a member

779
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Speaker 2: of Congress could just go up to the door and

780
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Speaker 2: they would have to let you in your meedry. Now

781
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: they're trying to say, oh no, we need twenty four

782
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: hours notice, Oh no, you need to let us know

783
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Speaker 2: before you are on your way. They put in all

784
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Speaker 2: these conditions to try to slow down and stop oversight

785
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Speaker 2: at these centers. It is horrific what people are experiencing.

786
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Speaker 2: There are people that are being sent to these places,

787
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Speaker 2: you know, with no water, no food, that some of

788
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Speaker 2: them are being put in solitary confinement. They're not allowed

789
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Speaker 2: to contact their family. And it's not just people that

790
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Speaker 2: are undocumented or folks that are if you're on a

791
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: work these are working immigrants. In some cases, US citizens

792
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: are being sent and are being kept for days with

793
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Speaker 2: no access to a lawyer, with no access to actually

794
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Speaker 2: any sort of content for the family. And and and JD.

795
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Speaker 2: Van should be ashamed in himself for never going to

796
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Speaker 2: one of these centers. You should be a shaded of

797
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Speaker 2: himself for allowing Trumpet and even allowed to be destroying

798
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Speaker 2: our country in the.

799
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Speaker 1: Fact at the same time that he's clutching the Bible

800
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Speaker 1: and talking about his Catholic faith.

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Speaker 2: I know, give me a break. There's nothing Catholic or

802
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Speaker 2: Christian about the way this industration actually that can I ask.

803
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Speaker 1: You something though? So you're dealing with the Epstein thing.

804
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Speaker 1: Your Latino. Not only are you Latino, you're an immigrant

805
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Speaker 1: like me. You're LGBTQ, one of the you know, openly

806
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: LGBTQ members of Congress, and like I feel like every

807
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: community you belong to is under attack. So how do

808
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: you balance it? How do you? Like, I have this

809
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: issue right because I feel like this weight on my

810
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: shoulders to represent because you know, I just it's not

811
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Speaker 1: an option. My people are being attacked, but you know,

812
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: people are being attacked from every angle. How do you

813
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: how do you breathe? How do you balance this so

814
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Speaker 1: that you're not just completely crazy?

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Speaker 2: You know, honestly, I feel a deep love of like

816
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: country and community.

817
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: Like my mom taught me where we came here when

818
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Speaker 3: I came as a young kid, and I didn't know

819
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Speaker 3: English were all immigrants, poor, none of my family gone

820
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Speaker 3: to college, no education, but we came here or.

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Speaker 2: My mom would always stay. That's when you write the

822
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Speaker 2: American dream. Worked her asshofs to cleaned houses, she worked

823
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Speaker 2: cleaning clinic, and she just taught. She always taught us

824
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: to give back to your country, to love, to love

825
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: your community, to give back to your community, to be kind.

826
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Speaker 2: And I've always served folks.

827
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Speaker 3: But even if the moment we're attacking, that will be

828
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Speaker 3: attacked with it because I'm gay with the intermigrant whateverwhere

829
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Speaker 3: else and the communities that feel it.

830
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Speaker 2: I always think about, like our our country, the value

831
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Speaker 2: that my mom fought for the bread here are better

832
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Speaker 2: than the bullshit that's going on there now. And this

833
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: work idea of patriotism, I fucking hate how the far

834
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: right talked about love of country, because the true love

835
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: of country is loving people. It's loving the people in

836
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: this country. Real patriotism is helping people. It's helping those

837
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: that are suffering. It's it's helping folks that that that

838
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: are on the street. It's helping immigrants find find value

839
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Speaker 2: and dignity and work. And so I feel a sense

840
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Speaker 2: of like you and others, a sense of duty, like

841
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: we claim like American patriotism and what actually being an

842
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: American is all about, and that is about helping people.

843
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: That keeps me going.

844
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Speaker 1: You know you're not answering my question, though, How do

845
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Speaker 1: you find balance? How do you keep yourself saying?

846
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I look, but keep myself saying by remembering the

847
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: value of my mom to my mom's not with me anymore,

848
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: she centers me, uh, thinking about hers? What centers me?

849
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Speaker 2: And then train unfortunate enjoying from time with my friend,

850
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: going to see a movie, reading a good book, you know, uh,

851
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: hanging out on a Sunday afternoon with friends. But I

852
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I think that.

853
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Speaker 3: At this moment, if you're in Congress, I don't think

854
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: you have a lot of time to do. Should you

855
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: enjoy and you've got to be in the fight and

856
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: you've got to give it all.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about being on TV. If I

858
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: if I'm a Latino immigrant on TV, I don't have

859
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: the fucking option to be you know, talking about Kim

860
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Kardashian and Brooklyn Back and you know, my people are

861
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: being attacked. Tell me about your story coming here. So

862
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: you came here, you're you're you were born in Peru.

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00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Can you make good savich?

864
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: The best of each we invented?

865
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not talking about you. Can you cook?

866
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: And can you make decent savich?

867
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't make great. I can make good

868
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: loan with. I can make good loan with.

869
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: I can make grace of Okay.

870
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. I mean, well, that's great. I

871
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: mean I love I love is okay, my dad make

872
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: it me here. But yeah, I know. I came with

873
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: the as a kid, you know, on a on a visa.

874
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: They said we over stayed our visas, like a lot

875
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: of How old were you? I was four years old,

876
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: So I came. I came at the pretty pretty young.

877
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: And we came here to l a well, about eight

878
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: or nine of us in a little apartment. My mom

879
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: and Mikeya both clean houses, and my grandmother watched the kid.

880
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: Very typical experience.

881
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: I learned English kind of reading comics, watching TV, and

882
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: learned how to work through my mom and idea and

883
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 3: I just saw their struggle.

884
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: So I'm not listening to you speak, and and I'm

885
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: wondering how come he doesn't have an accent and I

886
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: have an accent And Okay, I came here at eight,

887
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: So I think the difference between four and eight is

888
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: not having an accent or do you have an accent?

889
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: And I just don't hear it because my ear is

890
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: so trained to a Latino. You know.

891
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. When I was younger, I used to

892
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: have much more of an accent. And when I was

893
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: in elementary school, I would if I was learning English,

894
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: I also like got picked on or having an accent.

895
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: I remember I would go home in La.

896
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even in La. I mean, so I keep

897
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: to La. But we were in like very at the double,

898
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: but we're in the same gable about we want like

899
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: in the l and they confuted to the city. But

900
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: I would just picked on for having an action, really

901
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 2: strong accent. And so when I was younger, I would

902
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: I would try to like learn English and Americanize my language.

903
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: I look back at it and go, that would stupid,

904
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that, and being so young,

905
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: I think Western poundy probably don't don't have an acting.

906
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: So I never went through that because I'm from Miami

907
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: and like, whenever people say to me, you have an accent,

908
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: I say to them, have you ever heard Emilia Stephan

909
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: have you ever heard Pitbull? I mean, Pitbull was born

910
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: in Miami. There is no reason why he should have

911
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: an accident. I never felt a duty or a way

912
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: to assimilate. I'm like, no, this is and I feel

913
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: like that's a little bit of a difference between being

914
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: in Miami, where Latinos are the majority and the establishment

915
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: as opposed to being in other parts of the country.

916
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: But you're also openly LGBTQ. So was that hard?

917
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I think it's hard for everybody. Okay,

918
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: you're as openly gay. I was an immigrant obviously Latino.

919
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: When did you know you were gay?

920
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean I was, looking back on it, I probably

921
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: knew I was gay, Uh, you know, as you know,

922
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: going into my kind of teenage years, but I kind

923
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: of repressed it for a long time. I didn't tell

924
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: I actually didn't know I was really gay and felt

925
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: college and when I got the call and I was like, oh, yeah,

926
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: I'm define in a day and then uh, and that's

927
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: what I told you. Are you Catholic too? Yeah, I'm Catholic.

928
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, You're a Latino gay Catholic. That cannot

929
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: have been easy.

930
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 2: No, No, it was not easy, but making tough. People

931
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: are saying, oh, you're you know, all doing all this

932
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 2: crazy shit.

933
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Did you come out to your mom?

934
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: I did? I did to my mom.

935
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: I was probably twenty two twenty three. What I came

936
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: after my mom she's very supported and my dad. I'm

937
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: just unlucky that way. That family was.

938
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: Very supported of the Well, you know what, interest are

939
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: being gay? I told you it's all the time you

940
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: say all gay. It defines who you are. It's an

941
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 2: important part of who I am. I'm modeply on day,

942
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: but the most important part of who I am is

943
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: been in and nothing of define me more as a

944
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: person than my immigrant experience, including part of me that

945
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: I do that to me is the fire I would say,

946
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: what makes me mean is my immigrant experience?

947
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: Honestly, being days a part of that, but that then

948
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: had always entered me on.

949
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: And what do you mean by your immigrant experience?

950
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: The values and who I am today is largely because

951
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm an immigrant. I think the things I fighted for,

952
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: the things I care about, the way I view people

953
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: that are suffering, the way I view immigration policy. Why

954
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 3: I'm in Congress, why I took the go into public service,

955
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: why I went to into education before I got to Congress.

956
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: All that stems from my experiences growing up not being

957
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: fully documented. I mean we were, I think, become a

958
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: US citizen so I was twenty four years old, I

959
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: remember being in college.

960
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: Wait were you undocumented for a time?

961
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had. I had.

962
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 3: When went over our visa you overstate? We ever said

963
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: our visa, we were based essentially undocumentd. Then we began

964
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: the process of applying for like temporary residency, well a

965
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 3: green card, and began that process and.

966
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: It was it was hard. I just remember waking up early,

967
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: getting in line, getting denied, doing ripped you know my

968
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: mom crime that ripped off my lawyers. It's all of that,

969
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 2: Like the is that experience, like having builled you as

970
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: a person and then having remember being in college not

971
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: being a citizen and still waiting I was actually going

972
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: to get citizenship, And it stucks what dreamers and people

973
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: go through when are doctor students not knowing if you're

974
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: ever going to be able to have work be in

975
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: this country. I got my citizenship at twenty three years old.

976
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: I was leading college and the idea that now I

977
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: can be in Congress and service community. I think it's

978
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: fucking one of the things I were about.

979
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: This comany Can I tell you I did too? So

980
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: I came here legally and I stayed here legally because

981
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: I was on a student visa. I was in a

982
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: private school, which allowed me to have an I twenty

983
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: a student visa while my family was applying for political asylum.

984
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: And during that process, which took years and years and

985
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: years and thousands and thousands of dollars paid to immigration

986
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: at journeys, Ronald Reagan signed Simpson Masli the amnesty law.

987
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: So you were You're not just SAMs Masoli.

988
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: Too, same, same exact Okay, but how.

989
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: Ironic is it that you and I became US citizens

990
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: because of Ronald Reagan's amnesty.

991
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, this is a really

992
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 3: fun INQUENSI the there became a US citizen. I, my family,

993
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: we all became citizens. We walked out of the fairgrounds.

994
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: We will we raise our right hand with them to

995
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: be considicent. And the first thing we saw was a

996
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: big cable with the big long Reagan uh standing and

997
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: we all registered a Republican. So my entire family and me,

998
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: we all were Republicans because we loved Wong Reagan. We

999
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: were like, oh my god, Presidente he got a citizenship.

1000
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: We all became Republican.

1001
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: And it wasn't only like after a period of time,

1002
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: of course, that we were like, oh, you know, this

1003
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: is not Barack and my whole family. We eventually became

1004
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: a Democrat, but we were all Republican because we love

1005
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: wrong Reagan. He is at that same exact amnesty build.

1006
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: Okay, can I tell you something. I whenever I say

1007
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: that I love right run O Reagan, people are like

1008
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: shit on me. I fucking love him. I'm a US

1009
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: citizen because of Ronald Reagan's amnesty and also he combated

1010
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: communism in Nicaragua. Was so forget it for me. He's

1011
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: right there with like a like a you know, I mean,

1012
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: he deserves a cannonization. He should be a I want

1013
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: to end with something. And I can't tell you how

1014
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: much I've enjoyed this conversation. I feel like you and

1015
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: I have not talked enough, and I want us to

1016
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: be friends because we have a lot in common. I mean,

1017
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Mysavich is very good. So I

1018
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: saw this this poll right where it says that two

1019
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: thirds of Republicans are proud of their country. We're in

1020
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America and only

1021
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: one out of five Democrats are proud of their country.

1022
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: And I and for me, Robert, it's a different experience

1023
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: because I'm an immigrant, and so for me, I've always

1024
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: seen this seen this country as that city on a hill, right,

1025
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: and I fled communism and it gave me refuse and

1026
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: a home and opportunity. Are you proud of this country?

1027
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: So I am, And I am proud of what this

1028
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: of the values that I believe this country will founded on,

1029
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 2: and the ongoing kind of search and fight for true

1030
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: justice for all people in this country. But I've always

1031
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: been proud to be an American. That doesn't mean that

1032
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: I don't see the horrors that are happening right now.

1033
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: It's disgusting with being done to people obviously across our country.

1034
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: But I've always been a proud American. In fact, I think,

1035
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: like you know, I always said, I'm a proud American,

1036
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: and I'm fighting so so fucking hard becauld want to

1037
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: get back to a country that we can all be

1038
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: constantly pot off.

1039
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 3: I understand why people are part of this country. We

1040
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: have the most corrupt person as president in the history

1041
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: of our countries. But are always going to be a

1042
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: proud American. I think that we have certain values in

1043
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 3: this country that we've got to fight for.

1044
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: Can you come back on the podcast after when you

1045
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: become a chair of Oversight and I'm going to send

1046
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: you all the people I think need to be called

1047
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: into hearings. Can you come back and can you keep

1048
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: us up to date with what you are doing? And

1049
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how proud of you I am,

1050
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: how represented by you, I feel, how happy I am

1051
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: that we spent this time together and we could talk.

1052
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: And how embarrassed I am that you can't make decent Savice. Okay,

1053
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: so it's it's the World Cup. The World Cup was

1054
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: in is in a is in in the United States

1055
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: and Mexico and Canada. Peru didn't qualify. You were born

1056
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: in Peru. I was born in Garawa. They don't even

1057
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: have a soccer team, football team, So who are you

1058
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: rooting for?

1059
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: Of course, Oh I'm not.

1060
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm honey Argentina. Have you seen Rodrigo de Paul He

1061
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: is like I feel jibbed. I never knew soccer players

1062
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: were as hot as they are, and now for some reason,

1063
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: my feed, my my Instagram feed is inundated by these

1064
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: hot as hell soccer players and they take their shirts

1065
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: off after they win. And so I am now a

1066
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: soccer fan, and whatever team Rodrigo de Paul is playing for,

1067
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for.

1068
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: We should follow the Iranian national teams. That's how I

1069
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: feel about it.

1070
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Nigerian goalkeeper?

1071
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: I've seen all of them. Yeah, there's many soccer players,

1072
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: many soccer players on my feel at one.

1073
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm a soccer fan. Forget. I've told them my

1074
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: gay friends because you know, all my grant gay friends

1075
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: watched Heated Rivalry. So they watch heated rivalry and all

1076
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they're all into into hockey. And I

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