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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 2: And we know that Hunter Biden got a sweetheart deal

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Speaker 2: from the Department of Justice, from the federal prosecutors that

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Speaker 2: we're looking at him for five years. You know, Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Turley wrote a very good op ed on this one,

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Speaker 2: and I've also I saw Tucker's monologue on this on

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Speaker 2: Twitter yesterday and a couple of important points from that one.

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Speaker 2: Think about what went on here. This is from from

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Speaker 2: the Turley op ed. I think it was in New

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Speaker 2: York Post. He says, because there are a lot of this,

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Speaker 2: we covered the main things yesterday. I told you it

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Speaker 2: was going to be deferred prosecution on the felonies, so basically,

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Speaker 2: no felonies, only misdemeanors. Wipe the whole thing away. And

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Speaker 2: now the key is they used this to try to

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Speaker 2: shut down anything looking into the Bidens. More broadly, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna say, we already dealt with that Hunter already faced justice.

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Speaker 2: Sure he did. We know though that that's the plan.

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Speaker 2: But there were a couple of additional details that when

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Speaker 2: Klenaut were on together yesterday, we didn't really dive into.

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Speaker 2: And one of them is, this is again from the

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Speaker 2: Turley op ed, why did it take five years? Five years?

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Speaker 2: They looked at this for five years, and what they

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Speaker 2: came up with was a gun charge that was obvious

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Speaker 2: from the beginning, which they put into a diversion program.

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Speaker 2: A diversion program which is usually for you know, addicts.

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Speaker 2: But Hunter's not an addict anymore, so why does he

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Speaker 2: get this? Oh, it's not his fault. He's an adict,

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Speaker 2: let's put him in a diversion program. It seems kind

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Speaker 2: of strange, right, There's other deferred prosecution agreements that can exist,

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Speaker 2: but generally speaking, this one looks like they set it

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Speaker 2: up like, oh, well, Hunter's an addicts, so we got

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Speaker 2: to give him SPA treatment. But they gave him special

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Speaker 2: treatment because he's Joe Biden's son, all right, So five

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Speaker 2: years for a misdemeanor failure to file failure to file, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. There's a lot more they could have gone for.

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Speaker 2: The one though, that is entirely both inexcusable from a

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Speaker 2: legal perspective and politically very potent. You can understand the

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Speaker 2: rationale behind this is the lack of a Farah charge

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Speaker 2: Foreign Agent Registration Act. Now Pharah is this is one

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Speaker 2: of those laws that basically didn't really you know, didn't

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Speaker 2: really get enforced at all. It didn't get enforced at

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Speaker 2: all until Trump came along. It's a little bit in

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Speaker 2: that regard like the Logan Act. The Logan Act has

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Speaker 2: not been used in over I think one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty years. It's been around for a long time. Has

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Speaker 2: to do with interfering in the foreign policy of the

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Speaker 2: United States, and it goes back to an earlier era

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Speaker 2: where the country was surrounded by Britain, Spain, France, and

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Speaker 2: there were people, individual citizens engaged in machinations with those

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Speaker 2: foreign governments, not on behalf of the United States government. Right,

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Speaker 2: the Logan Act has never been used against anybody, but

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Speaker 2: they dust it at all. Remember this. I think that

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Speaker 2: we often put these things out of our minds because

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Speaker 2: we don't want to believe that this country is turning

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Speaker 2: into a totalitarian, collectivist nightmare. But it is edging in

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Speaker 2: that direction. Year after year, it is taking steps in

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Speaker 2: that I think we have to fight through. Remember what

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Speaker 2: they did to General Flynn. General Flynn was the incoming

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Speaker 2: Nationalsecurity Advisor, and they used the Logan Act. And this

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Speaker 2: was comy, the same comy who had Martha Stewart when

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Speaker 2: he was the prosecutor in Connecticut sent to prison for

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Speaker 2: five months for basically nothing, you know, is lying about

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Speaker 2: a conversation she had about a non criminal activity, which

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Speaker 2: was talking to her stockbroker. That's what happened five months

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Speaker 2: in prison from Martha Stewart. Yeah, but when we look

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Speaker 2: at what they did with Logan Act, they created a

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Speaker 2: legal pretext to go after somebody. And what you realize

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Speaker 2: is that if the authorities want to do that, they

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Speaker 2: can do this with anybody. Think think about how easy

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Speaker 2: it is to to swat someone. What do you do.

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Speaker 2: You call the police and you say, oh, I see somebody.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's he's got a gun in the house

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Speaker 2: and I'm scared and he's threatening people, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: they go in. This is a horrible thing that it's

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Speaker 2: and people can die because of this, right well, because

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Speaker 2: massive law enforcement response. That's what swatting somebody is. So

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Speaker 2: that's an abuse of lots of crime. What the DOJ

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Speaker 2: did in the Logan Act situation with General Flynn was

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Speaker 2: they pretended that this was a crime that anybody cares about,

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Speaker 2: so they could entrap him in a conversation with their

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Speaker 2: it's whatever the FBI says, okay, and they took him

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Speaker 2: out that way. Now you look at Paul Manifort, and

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Speaker 2: this is why I'm talking about this. They dust it

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Speaker 2: off Pharah, just like they dust it off Logan Act

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Speaker 2: to go after Manifort. No one had ever think about that.

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Speaker 2: No one in the history of the country had ever

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Speaker 2: gone to prison for a Logan Act violation. I think

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Speaker 2: was thrown out. I mean, it's a joke. They dust

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Speaker 2: it off the Farah and they used it against men.

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Speaker 2: If there was ever a time where there was an

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Speaker 2: open shutcase for a violation of law under Farah, it

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Speaker 2: would be Hunter Biden. He is the son of the

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Speaker 2: Vice President. When he's doing some of this, he is

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Speaker 2: meeting with foreign nationals. He is a bag man taking

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Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars from them, obviously to advance

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Speaker 2: the interests of those foreign governments and foreign nationals. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is the most clear and I tuck her by

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Speaker 2: the way. A brilliant point that Tucker made on his

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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, he's got to He's paying twenty

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Speaker 2: that he doesn't even want to have the Biden name.

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Speaker 2: And he's now won that in court, not not caring

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Speaker 2: the name. He's disavowed this child. That's the kind of

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Speaker 2: guy he is, and so has Joe Biden, the grandfather

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Speaker 2: disavowed the child. Not the child out's fault, but Joe

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Speaker 2: Bidens would make believe Catholic who thinks an abortion all

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Speaker 2: nine months of a pregnancy is you know, a fundamental right.

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Speaker 2: So these people are soulless. Soulless, that's not a surprise

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Speaker 2: at all. But Chucker makes this point that you have

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Speaker 2: and he supported himself for years and not just barely.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Hunter's not sitting around, you know, opening up

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Speaker 2: sounds like me in Manhattan, like a few years back,

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Speaker 2: but you know, in some tiny studio, just making making.

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Speaker 2: He's living in, you know, a mansion in Malibu, and

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Speaker 2: he's driving around in like a Porsche or a Ferrari

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Speaker 2: there's no interest in looking to that situation either. Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden's finger paintings. And if you see them, they really

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Speaker 2: do look like something that a toddler in the third

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Speaker 2: toddler's out, or I guess you're not toddler, but a

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Speaker 2: you know, painting and painting and selling them for fifty

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Speaker 2: that's right, because I used to when I would argue

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Speaker 2: conservatives on in say twenty fifteen, that the Clinton Foundation

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's eight years ago now. The Clinton

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Speaker 2: Foundation was a scam. It was a pass through fake

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Speaker 2: charity that gave tax advantage donations for the Clintons to

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Speaker 2: support their lifestyle and their brand and to run effectively

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Speaker 2: a super pack under the guys of a charity. Which

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Speaker 2: that's that's how gross the Clintons are that you know,

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Speaker 2: they're even gross when it comes to charity. And I

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Speaker 2: always said, you know you're paying Hillary three hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: No one makes three hundred thousand dollars a speech. Bill

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Speaker 2: got paid I think at one point eight hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: speed when it was by a Russian bank. That's a bribe.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think North Korea at one point had

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Speaker 2: for a fee. It's a bribe. And they were trying

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Speaker 2: to do this over and over again from countries that

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Speaker 2: that the Clintons were like, okay, fine, I mean they

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Speaker 2: made personally one hundred million dollars off of speeches and books.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you that's really hard to do. Books

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Speaker 2: point in this is that I used to say, I said, well,

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Speaker 2: what if Hillary said, oh, I'm not I'm a painter.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm painting now, because that's how Hillary sounds.

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, she's saying her paintings are

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Speaker 2: foreign buyers are buying them, right only like you know,

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Speaker 2: the Saudis, the Russians, the Chinese are buying Hillary's foreign

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Speaker 2: paintings and a million dollars apiece. That's not a br right.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden is doing. Oh yeah, I'm a painter, now,

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Speaker 2: sure you are, buddy. The whole thing is is as

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Speaker 2: corrupt as it gets. And this is the problem for

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Speaker 2: the Democrats. There's no turning back for them with any

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Speaker 2: of this, because what is their their biggest their biggest

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Speaker 2: sense of moral superiority is Trump's a criminal. That's really

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Speaker 2: what they think. Trump is a criminal, is what they

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Speaker 2: the government as working in your interests. Donald Trump having

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Speaker 2: some boxes of documents in a you know, a locker

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Speaker 2: both criminal right now. You could say, hold on a second.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that Trump thing is criminal. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 2: criminal in the way that you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: But one of them doesn't matter to you, and the

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Speaker 2: other does. One of them actually has an effect on

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Speaker 2: what the likely course of US policy is, and the

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Speaker 2: other is a document dispute. But they they bring the

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Speaker 2: one charge with the fullest force of the law against Trump,

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Speaker 2: and with Hunter Biden, they make the whole thing disappear.

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Speaker 2: Remember this, they're trying to shut down everything around the

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Speaker 2: Biden crime family because it is a real risk with

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Speaker 2: the whistleblower who's come forward with the information about this,

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Speaker 2: we can see what's going on, and they only seem

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Speaker 2: they only seem interested in the law when it is

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Speaker 2: a weapon against Republicans. And I don't just meaning politically

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Speaker 2: in general. You know someone's a criminal, someone's done terrible things. Oh,

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Speaker 2: let's let's give him another chance. Unless you're a Republican.

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Speaker 2: If you're a Republican and you know you have doc

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Speaker 2: never your former president, you're a Republican and you commit jaywalking,

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Speaker 2: a Democrat and you're running around getting paid fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars for reproductions of crappy artwork that are obvious efforts

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Speaker 2: to try to curry influence and try to get bribery

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Speaker 2: was actually at the end of all Rumsfeld had given

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Donald Ruseveld. You remember Rumsfeld. And he would talk

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Speaker 2: about what was going on in the early days of

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Speaker 2: the Rock War, and they they hit him on this thing.

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Speaker 2: He said, you go to war with the army you have. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's true. What he was talking about was all the

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Speaker 2: changes they were making up armoring, humvies and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Were they ill prepared for the war? We were going

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Speaker 2: to be fighting with the insurgency, Yes, but you go

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Speaker 2: to war with the virus, with the medical army that

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Speaker 2: you have, so to speak, meaning you got to call

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Speaker 2: on the National CDC and you got to call on

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Speaker 2: the hospital system. And I think Trump could easily say

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Speaker 2: here and this would deal with it pretty well. Look,

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Speaker 2: I knocked down the Trump wasn't down there with a

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Speaker 2: Bunsen burner and a beaker and you know, playing with

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Speaker 2: the mRNA stuff to figure No, of course, not right.

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Speaker 2: What he could say is he knocked down the barriers,

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Speaker 2: the regulatory barriers to clear the deck. At a moment

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Speaker 2: of national crisis to put this system in the best

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Speaker 2: possible place to give out the best vaccine. The mandates

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Speaker 2: were not Trump, and the mandates were appalling and wrong,

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Speaker 2: and the development of the actual vaccines wildly underperformed in

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Speaker 2: the end with the outcomes we saw and were far

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Speaker 2: higher risk profile than the experts believed at the time.

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Speaker 2: I think that's if I were advising Trump, and I

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Speaker 2: am better at this than a lot of the Trump advisors.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to say it. That would be an

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Speaker 2: approach to it. That would be the way that I

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Speaker 2: would answer that question. Challenge that I think Trump runs

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Speaker 2: into on this is when he says the vaccines saved

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Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of lives. He has this inclination to

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Speaker 2: conflate getting it done to get us the vaccine that

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Speaker 2: could be produced, and the vaccines being awesome. The vaccines

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Speaker 2: were not awesome. That is not accurate, right, That's a change,

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Speaker 2: that's not his fault. But they're going to come after

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Speaker 2: him on this one. And I know a lot of

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Speaker 2: you who, like I said, you're not a two time

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Speaker 2: Trump voter, you're a ten time Trump voter. You would

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Speaker 2: vote for him no matter what you're Trump no matter what.

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Speaker 2: This is one issue where I think people would want

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Speaker 2: him to have a little clarity on it. This is

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Speaker 2: one place where I think he could take a slightly

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Speaker 2: you're saying, hold on a second. Now, we're being told

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Speaker 2: the vaccines were great. That's that's a challenge, right. I

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Speaker 2: can't sit here and tell you every day that the

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Speaker 2: vaccines should absolutely not have been mandated. Trump agrees with that.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, the vaccine should not have been mandated.

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Speaker 2: The vaccines did not work as well as advertised, the

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Speaker 2: vaccines had far higher risk profile than advertise mile carditis

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Speaker 2: for young men specifically, but other things too. And then

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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, the vaccines were awesome, can't do it right.

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Speaker 2: Not gonna not gonna play that game. I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you the truth. So that was the one place I

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Speaker 2: mean other than that, you know, he went after He

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Speaker 2: went after Fox News pretty hard, which was a that

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Speaker 2: was interesting too. Maybe we'll get into some of that.

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Speaker 2: What did you think and do you think that's a

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Speaker 2: fair assessment? I'll put to the to the Trump or

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Speaker 2: nothing voters in the audience, is this assessment of Trump

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Speaker 2: on the vaccine fair? Do you think that's a good

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Speaker 2: welcome back. We've got our friend Ryan Gradusky with us

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Speaker 2: here to answer this question of how would it work

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Speaker 2: if Joe Biden weren't going to be the nominee? Is

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Speaker 2: this even possible? What would the steps be and how

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Speaker 2: would it all go down. Ryan Gardusky is the author

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Speaker 2: of the National Populis newsletter, which you can subscribe to

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Speaker 2: on substack. I subscribe to Ryan's newsletter. I think it's excellent. Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with.

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Speaker 1: Us, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with it, okay, because everyone, I mean, it

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Speaker 2: is one of the most commonly talked about things in

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Speaker 2: politics right now. A lot of polls also feeding into this. Oh,

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Speaker 2: seventy percent of people think that Biden's too old or

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Speaker 2: you know whatever. The numbers are only thirty percent want Biden,

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Speaker 2: yet he is the president, he is the nominee right now,

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Speaker 2: and walk us through this. How would Gavin Newsom take over?

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Speaker 2: How would that actually happen?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: So, this is a common thread you hear over and

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Speaker 1: over is that Gavin Newsom somehow has the nomination locked

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Speaker 1: and it will basically be replaced in the Democrat organization

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Speaker 1: will just swap one name for the other. And that's

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Speaker 1: not how this works. So, first of all, if Biden

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Speaker 1: was genuinely as weak as people think that he is,

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Speaker 1: more some polling suggests, you would already have a serious challenger.

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Speaker 1: RFK and Marion Williamson are not the most serious challengers. Meant,

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Speaker 1: they pulled about twenty to twenty five percent collectively combined.

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Speaker 1: If there was a serious challenger, as was the case

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Speaker 1: of LBJ when he ran was going to run for reelection,

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Speaker 1: you'd have serious people like RFK had announced he'd run,

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Speaker 1: and there was a bunch of other people and obviously

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Speaker 1: had dropped out. So with all intentsive purposes, it looks

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Speaker 1: like Biden will be the nominee. That he is not

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Speaker 1: dropping out. If he were to drop out, let's just

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Speaker 1: say next month. He says, you know what, I'm too

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Speaker 1: old I can't just anymore mon in good health, I have.

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Speaker 2: To drop out.

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Speaker 1: There would be a flurry of Democrats because the primary

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Speaker 1: doesn't end. It's not like they cancel the primary. They

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Speaker 1: still have a primary. And you would see Democrats including

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Speaker 1: the governor of California as well as the governor of

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Speaker 1: Illinois JV. Pritzer, who is worth three billion dollars and

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Speaker 1: said he would spend a billion of his own money.

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Speaker 1: You probably would see Jared Poulis, the governor of Colorado.

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Speaker 1: You would definitely see Vice President Kamala Harris. You may

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Speaker 1: see people to judge, and you might even see Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders all sit there and buy for the nomination. The

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Speaker 1: most important voting block for Democrats is older black women

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Speaker 1: in the south, right southern. That's why they're also moving

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Speaker 1: elections from Iowa and New Hampshire partly to the south.

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Speaker 1: Black voters are establishment Democrat voters. They don't vote for

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Speaker 1: people like Bernie Sanders. They don't vote who like boot

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Speaker 1: Bet people to Gentior elizab Warrence. They are established in Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Only one Democrat presidential candidate in the last forty years

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Speaker 1: has won the nomination without winning huge support from the

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Speaker 1: black community in the South, and that was John Kerry.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else. The vote has always come from black voters

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Speaker 1: in the South for forty years. Right now, Gavin new

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Speaker 1: some polls within the low single digits with the group

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Speaker 1: of people in states that have polled Gavin without Biden

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Speaker 1: on the nomination. He is losing to Kamala in places

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Speaker 1: like South Carolina by twenty points, places in Georgia by

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Speaker 1: forty five points. There's not that many polls, but all

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Speaker 1: polls suggest they don't know who he is and they

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Speaker 1: don't really care for him. Now, that's the first scenario,

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Speaker 1: is if there's going to be a prime let's just

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Speaker 1: say the primaries ends, Biden gets the nomination, and then

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Speaker 1: he decides he can't do it right, which is the

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Speaker 1: other scenarios. Somehow they're going to sit there and do this.

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Speaker 1: This has happened in recent history. In two thousand in Missouri,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic governor candidate who was running for Senate died,

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Speaker 1: which I think three weeks before election day. Name was

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Speaker 1: on the ballot. The Democrats said, we're going to appoint

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Speaker 1: his wife for a short period of time until we

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Speaker 1: hold another special election, and then his wife won. They

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Speaker 1: voted for the dead guy over the Republican which was

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Speaker 1: John Ashcroft, who republic Trump Bush Ruther put as Attorney general. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: if Biden were to step away after the nomination, his

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Speaker 1: name would still be on the ballot because ballots are

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Speaker 1: printed months six to eight months rather before, not sixt

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Speaker 1: eight months, but several months before the election. Right, you

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Speaker 1: can't just all of a sudden print new ballot. There's

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Speaker 1: budgets that states have dedicated to ballot printing, and also

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Speaker 1: military voters go out military ballots about months and months before,

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Speaker 1: so do early voting Now is almost two months in

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Speaker 1: some states, so the names already printed, so it would

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Speaker 1: say Joe Biden and Kamla Harris. There are rules that

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Speaker 1: the DNC, the Democrat National Party, have and the rules

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Speaker 1: are quote, filling a vacancy on a national ticket in

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Speaker 1: the event of death, resignation, or disability for the party's

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Speaker 1: president or vice president after the national Convention, the national

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Speaker 1: chairperson the Democratic National Committee shall confer with the Democratic

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Speaker 1: leadership of the United States Congress Democratic Governors Association, and

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Speaker 1: they shall report to the DNC, who will then authorize

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Speaker 1: to fill the vacancy or vacancy's There is no way

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Speaker 1: that the Congress and the Governor's Association and the DNC

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Speaker 1: are going to skip one of the people whose name

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Speaker 1: will be on the ballot, which is Kamla Harris, to

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Speaker 1: replace it with somebody who has never ran a national ticket,

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Speaker 1: which is Gavin Newsom. So in all cases it would

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Speaker 1: be Kamala not Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 2: So this this perfectly transitions and what I wanted to ask,

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Speaker 2: and I wish Clay was here because we go back

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Speaker 2: and forth on this one a lot about who is

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of this back and forth. I've

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Speaker 2: always look, I've been saying all along, I think Newsom

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Speaker 2: thinks twenty twenty eight he's the guy, no question. I

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Speaker 2: just don't think he thinks really realistically, he's going to

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Speaker 2: be able to make that happen in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: But the question I have for you, Ryan is are

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Speaker 2: we on the right underestimating not the gifts and skills

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Speaker 2: that Kamala has as a politicians. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: thinks she's an amazing politician, but are we underestimating her

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Speaker 2: as a Democrat electability? Meaning she would actually do better

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Speaker 2: than people think if she did become the nominee.

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Speaker 1: No, she's an absolutely candidate, but horrible candidate, and everyone

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Speaker 1: admits that. Remember in twenty ten when she ran for

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Speaker 1: attorney general first time in Calia. I think she only

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Speaker 1: won by two points. She's not a good candidate, But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that it's it's a binary choice Kamala

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Speaker 1: versus Gavin Newsom. If all of a sudden, the you know,

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Speaker 1: the wheels came off and everyone was running, you know,

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Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer. Gretchen Whimmer was one a bigger election landslide

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Speaker 1: in Michigan than than the Democrats won in New York.

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Speaker 1: He will, they will showing a bigger landslide than Democrats

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Speaker 1: won in a lot of other states. Jared Poulis would

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Speaker 1: be the first gay uh and he's a moderate and

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Speaker 1: he was very anti closing all the schools during COVID.

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Speaker 1: There's I mean, he has certain appeals and Colorado's a

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Speaker 1: new blue state. You would have to sit there. There

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Speaker 1: was also two senators from Georgia who probably would be

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Speaker 1: interested in running. It's not a binary choice. Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: is making a lot of headway because he's doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of press that doesn't necessarily matter with the Democrat

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Speaker 1: electorate overall. Though, I think he floated things like giving

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Speaker 1: reparations to black voters because he was saying, oh, maybe

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Speaker 1: there'll be a spot for me, and I need to

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Speaker 1: win the peal of southern black voters. But he can't

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Speaker 1: make good on that because it's the budget for the

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Speaker 1: reparations is too high in California campaign and he's already

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Speaker 1: walking in wait.

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Speaker 2: But who would be right now, based on what we

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Speaker 2: know from the polls, who's the strongest with that constituency.

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Speaker 2: You bring up who delivered the twenty twenty nomination to

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, right, which is the black primary Southern voters,

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Speaker 2: who is the strongest with them among the leading Democrats

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Speaker 2: other than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'm wars. There's no question they are established in voters.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even support Obama at first until Iowa sat

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Speaker 1: there and voted for him. They weren't even pulling up

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Speaker 1: with that because they are establishment Democrats at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. And that is why the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: is moving the primary more to the South to avoid

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Speaker 1: a Berne Sandy Sanders style progressive from ever getting the nomination.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is also why again perfect transition here into

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Speaker 2: Iowa New Hampshire. The Democrats are effectively like, tell everybody

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Speaker 2: what the change has been to South Carolina and the

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Speaker 2: possibility here. I mean I just saw that. Like Iowa

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Speaker 2: Democrats are saying, hold on a second, we're supposed to

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Speaker 2: go first, and we're going to go first. So you

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Speaker 2: don't just get to change this, honest, So can RFK

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Speaker 2: juniors slip in and maybe get a win? Like, how

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Speaker 2: does that work?

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Speaker 1: So what's happening right now is the Democrats, being the

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Speaker 1: racial being, the party that cares about race more than

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Speaker 1: anything in the entire world, is saying we can't have

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Speaker 1: Iowa and New Hampshire. They're too white, and we just

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Speaker 1: they don't represent us as a party. Despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that two out of every three people that voted for

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Speaker 1: Democrats in both twenty twenty two and twenty twenty were white.

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Speaker 1: They do not want a majority white state cast in

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Speaker 1: their first vote. It's also the Iowa New Hampshire have

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Speaker 1: a tendency to vote for more progressive Democrats, but that's

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Speaker 1: besides the point. So they're saying South Carolina should go

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Speaker 1: first and then Georgia should go afterwards, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get around to Iowa and New Hampshire. Iowa New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: Democrats are saying, no, that's not going to work with us.

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Speaker 1: We are holding the primary when we want to, and

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Speaker 1: we are doing it first. Will be the first in

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Speaker 1: the nation for Republicans and for Democrats. So Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: has said that if Iowa and New Hampshire goes first,

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Speaker 1: he will not put his name on the ballot in

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Speaker 1: Iowa and New Hampshire, so they will not be able

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Speaker 1: to vote for him. So if I mean it's a

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Speaker 1: lot is still in a lot of pieces are still

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Speaker 1: moving for that to happen. But if they all hold

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Speaker 1: to their cards, then yet Joe Biden will not be

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Speaker 1: on the ballot in Iowa and New Hampshire and he

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Speaker 1: will not be able to win those first two states

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Speaker 1: and the delegates, and presumptively, I'm going to imagine RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior will win the first possibly win the first two contests,

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Speaker 1: which would be really wild.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be an interesting situation, that much is for sure.

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Speaker 2: What would you say just before we let you go,

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Speaker 2: I mean, in your mind, at the odds of Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom being the Democrat nominee in twenty twenty four, how

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Speaker 2: how would you how would you gauge that.

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Speaker 1: A number between one and zero. I mean it would

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Speaker 1: have to be Biden would have to one either pass away,

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Speaker 1: which I'm not hoping for, but he would have to

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Speaker 1: pass away, or he would have to step down in

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Speaker 1: some capacity, and then it would go to the open

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Speaker 1: primary and you'd have a floodgate of people. You know,

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Speaker 1: the governor of Illinois, who is a very liberal Democrat,

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Speaker 1: is literally willing to spend a billion of his own

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Speaker 1: money he owned I think he's from the Marriott family

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Speaker 1: or something like that, one of the hotel franchises a

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Speaker 1: billion dollars of his own money, and he would have

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Speaker 1: an operation together in a heartbeat. You'd have to get

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Speaker 1: It's not like you run for president, you appear on

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Speaker 1: MSNBC and all of a sudden you're the nominee. You

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Speaker 1: have to have field workers, you have to have you

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Speaker 1: have to make sure you're on the ballot access. It's

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Speaker 1: an immensely large undertaking that takes months and months and

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Speaker 1: months of work. I don't say Gavin Newsom could do it,

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Speaker 1: but it's not going to be the blink of an eye,

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Speaker 1: and he's not the favorite walking into this thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't even have a very high name id with

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Speaker 2: used to do these like history deep dives, real nerd stuff,

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Speaker 2: but fantastic, a lot of fun. The Dracula one still

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Speaker 2: does well every year around obviously Halloween, so a deep

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Speaker 2: dive on the real Dracula. I was impressed. I got

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Speaker 2: to give high five to to Bill O'Reilly right off

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Speaker 2: Was impressed. Pretty good, pretty good. Carolyn in Atlanta says

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Speaker 2: she has traveled to the titan a Titanic wreck site.

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Speaker 2: And wait, so really, Carolyn, you you did this? You

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Speaker 2: did you go in the sub?

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Speaker 4: Not in the sub But we were on there's two

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Speaker 4: cruise ships that were leased by the then owner, George Tullock,

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Speaker 4: and pH Nargalie was on our ship along with one

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Speaker 4: of the Eleanor Schumann, she was on board with us

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so you took a surface ship to the site

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Speaker 2: where it went down and you had survivors of the

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Speaker 2: disaster on with you? Is that is that right?

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Speaker 4: We had? We had one on board our ship and

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Speaker 4: one on the other ship we took. We sailed out

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Speaker 4: of Boston Harbor straight to the reck site and just

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Speaker 4: circled the site for three days and watched the recovery.

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Speaker 4: And the purpose of the cruise was to watch the

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Speaker 4: first piece of hull section being brought up. There was

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Speaker 4: a twenty five ton piece of hull and had a

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Speaker 4: few portholes in it. It had broken away from the ship,

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Speaker 4: and they had then the submersibles then going down constantly

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Speaker 4: bringing up artifacts. The company was brought out in a

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Speaker 4: hostile takeover by a man living here in Atlanta who

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Speaker 4: supposedly has a secret warehouse where a lot of these

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Speaker 4: artifacture being kept now, but we watched and we saw

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Speaker 4: it on closed circuit for the last three hundred feet

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Speaker 4: being brought up to the surface. And the way they

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Speaker 4: did it was they attached navy flotation balloons, if you will,

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Speaker 4: filled with a liquid some short of liquid gas that

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Speaker 4: was that would float, and they took it down via

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Speaker 4: the submersible, attached it by They had seven of them,

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Speaker 4: of these flotation balloons, and they attached it to the

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Speaker 4: hull section and just slowly brought it up. So it's

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Speaker 4: possible that it's possible for something to bring up this

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Speaker 4: sub whether it's the Navy, so maybe better technology.

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Speaker 2: Now not necessarily even like a cable that would be cranked,

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Speaker 2: but it could be buoyancy devices that are are deployed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but are you do you like the Titanic movie and

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Speaker 2: maybe silly question. I'm just curious, what do you think.

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Speaker 4: Let's put it this way. I own a replica of

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Speaker 4: the necklace.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a yes. That sounds like a yes. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's great, Carolyn Well.

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Speaker 4: I actually own a piece of coal salvage from her hull,

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Speaker 4: and that's what got me the invitation to take this cruise.

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Speaker 4: I took my mother along with me. She was living

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Speaker 4: with me at the time, but her parents were scheduled

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Speaker 4: to take their honeymoon cruise on the Titanic and had

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Speaker 4: to cancel out at the last minute in London.

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Speaker 2: But Carolyn, you would have made room for Jack on

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Speaker 2: the floating door, right, I mean that's the part of

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Speaker 2: it that right, I mean, I know it was cold,

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Speaker 2: that in the correct contact. Shields high, Doctor Joe Shields

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Speaker 2: tie to you, sir, Thank you very much for writing in.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, and hey, team play, I'll be back with

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Speaker 2: all of you tomorrow. We're also going to be hanging

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Speaker 2: out together in New York City on Friday. So excited

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Speaker 2: to do a couple more shows this week. I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna say, one more time, say a prayer for the

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Speaker 2: five individuals in this submarine. I am praying today and

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Speaker 2: tonight that tomorrow will be able to come on the

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Speaker 2: air and tell you that they were saved. Prayers up.