1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Soe and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamor, inspiration and 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: of course fun. Okay, I am joined today by the 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: most incredible powerhouse that is doctor Laura Devkin. Doctor Devkin 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: is recognized as New York's number one female cosmetic surgeon 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: and the mother two six children. 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: Six, yes six, do you know anyone's six children? 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Devkin's passion in how she practices cosmetics and reconstructive 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: surgery is so deeply inspiring. The artistry in physiology that 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: she has clearly mastered has transformed so many people's lives 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: and instilled so much confidence in countless men and women. 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to hear this episode. It 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: is so good. So let's get right into it. And 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: I never do this. 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I want you to know that in the year and 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: a half that I've been doing climbing and heels, I've 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: never once read a paragraph off something I got about 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: someone's like bio. But this one is so mind blowing 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: that I think it's a great little intro. 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: Okay. 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: Doctor Devgan attended Yale College, John Hopkins Medical School, JOHNS 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Hopkins School of Public Health Columbia, Cornell, New York Presbyterian 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: Hospital Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery Residency and Fellowship, and obtained 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: a coveted National Institutes of Health T thirty two Predoctoral 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Clinical Research Fellowship to study surgical outcomes. Her surgical expertise 26 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: spans cosmetic and reconstructive surgery, focusing on facial aesthetics, advanced 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: body contouring, and complex reconstructive cases. As a respected attending 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: surgeon at Lenox Hill Hospital, Greenwich Hospital, and Manhattan Ear 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: and Throat Infirmary, Doctor Devkin not only practices but also 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: contributes to educating the next generation of plastic and reconstructive 31 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: surgeons and then it goes on and on. Recognized as 32 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: New York's number one female cosmetic surgeon by Rate MDS 33 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and featured in The New York Times, Forbes, Wall Street Journal, 34 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: Washington Post, Guardian, UK, Vogue, Glamour, Laura Town and Country, 35 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: l Murray Claire, and more. Doctor Devkin has also been 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: named to America's Top Plastic Surgeons. She's the founder and 37 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: CEO of Luxury Medical Grade Skincare, which I use. Doctor 38 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: Devkin's Scientific Beauty and the host of Beauty Boss's podcast. 39 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Devkin lives in Manhattan with her husband and children. 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: So you're clearly a slacker. This is like, this is insane. 41 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: You recognize that, right you are a force of knowledge 42 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: accomplishment and all the things that, like, I think, are 43 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: like the most insanely like thought to be unachievable by 44 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: so many people, as adults, as kids, as teens, like 45 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: what is she human? And I know you and you 46 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: are so human and so lovely and obviously so talented. 47 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: But I need to talk to you a bit about 48 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: this journey. I need to, really I want to talk 49 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: about it. So I need to know, first of all, 50 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: where were you born and raised and how and who 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: were you as a child that you are this adult. 52 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: Please explain how this happens? 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: Cool? Such an introduction. Oh my god. I grew up 54 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 3: in la I grew up in Malibu, California, and Santa Monica, 55 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: and since I was little, my favorite things to do 56 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: were drawing and painting, and so I grew up as 57 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: a classically trained artist. When I was little, we lived 58 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: up the road from the old Getty Villa in Malibu, 59 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: and I used to take art classes there and I 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: remember being a little kid and trying to splash in 61 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: the fountains and drawing these Etruscan antiquities, and it was 62 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: such an amazing way to appreciate creativity and that it 63 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: kind of became the underpinning for everything else after that. 64 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: And so you grew Okay, so where did you go 65 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: to school? First? 66 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: Like? 67 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: Where do you you do? You go to school in Malibu? 68 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: Where did you go to school? Here? 69 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: I elementary school in Malibu at Webster Elementary. I think 70 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: it's still around for sure. And then I did high 71 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 3: school at Harvard Wesley in. 72 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: La Proper yep, best private school in Los Angeles, Yes, yes, yes, okay. 73 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: Then it was a pressure cooker. I hear it's become 74 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: a bit more intense. 75 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is. 76 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, So then you go to Yale Undergrad right, which, 77 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: as I know, is an incredible school. But did you know, like, 78 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: were you a kind of a girl that was like, 79 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm a girl I can do anything boys can do. 80 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I don't like what kind of girl? What kind of 81 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: student were you like? What kind of kid were you? 82 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: Like? 83 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: Were you always an overachiever? 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: I was the kind of kid that I am as 85 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: an adult, I was like I had the same energy 86 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: that I have in the operating room even when I 87 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: was little. So I wonder if people I know, there 88 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: are all these debates about nature and nurture, but I've 89 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: been I've been kind of a perfectionist since I was 90 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: a little. I was a big student in school. I 91 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: was obsessed with my cats. When I was growing up. 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: I would like have a whole little world with my cats. 93 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: I loved math, science, writing, reading, I loved anticiplate in school, 94 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: and my siblings were a lot older, so they were 95 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: kind of out of the house and already in college 96 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: when I was growing up, and so I had a 97 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: little bit more of an adult skewing worldview because I 98 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: was hanging out with my parents all the time. 99 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: Got it okay? 100 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: So that I mean that checks and so were you 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: when you started school? Were you like, I want to 102 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: be a plastic surgeon, this is what I want to do? 103 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: At what point? 104 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: Not at all. I went to Yale and I was 105 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: an English major because I loved reading, and I just 106 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: I loved writing. I loved reading. I thought that there's 107 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: nothing better than trying to find all the right words 108 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: for all the complex, nuanced feelings. And I really continue 109 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: to respect reading and writing so much. I always have 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: been passionate about art and anatomy, and as I evolved 111 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: at Yale, I was I was very much a science 112 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: kid as well. I was just a student kid. I've 113 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: always loved learning, and I still like learning, yeah, of course, 114 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: and so I was always taking in everything. And so 115 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: when I was in college, besides, I made all these 116 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: goals for myself. I was like, Okay, I'm going to 117 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to read the complete works of Shakespeare. I'm 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: gonna write so much stuff. I'm going to work in 119 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: There was a professor I really admired who passed away, 120 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: Robert McNabb. But he was a prize winning, really brilliant biochemist, 121 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: and I worked in his biochemistry lab. I did clinical 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: research with Michael Merson, who at the time was the 123 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: dean of the Yale School of Public Health, and I 124 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: just wanted to understand everything there was to understand so 125 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: that I could figure out where I wanted to be. 126 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: At one point in college, I got the opportunity to 127 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: do an internship at the Aga Khon Hospital in Nairobi, Kenya, 128 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: which is where my mom grew up. My mom is 129 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: a native of Kenya and so she grew up in 130 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: Nairobi for most of her life and I had the 131 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: opportunity to go back there for a summer in college 132 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: and intern at this hospital. And it was such an 133 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: amazing life changing experience because there was so much disease 134 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: burden and so much opportunity to help people who lived 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: in a vastly different way. I was coming from the 136 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: Ivy League, from you know, a stable household in southern California, 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: at all these educational institutions where everything looks so nice 138 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: and perfect, and there was a lot of inequity. There 139 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: was a lot of lack of access to health. There 140 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: was very high prevalence of HIV and AIDS, and I 141 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: was the fraternity ward in a hospital. And I think 142 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: around that time I began to think, you know, I 143 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: love writing. I want to continue with the English major, 144 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: but rather than describing the things that other people do, 145 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: I want to do those things myself. And that led 146 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 3: me to a career in medicine, and I applied to 147 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: medical school. The rest is history. 148 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: That's so wild, that is so well, it's interesting because 149 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: I think that's sort of this that's sort of this 150 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: like fearlessness. I think that comes in because when I 151 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: think about it, like I was a psychology major in college, right, 152 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I ended up in fashion. I would argue I use 153 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: psychology every day of my life, and I would say 154 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: that I couldn't be happier than I majored in it 155 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: because I still am obsessed with the psychology, and you know, 156 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: it is something you really I feel, I really do use. 157 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: I think in terms of practicing in medicine, that is 158 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: something that you do. I think, flip this switch at 159 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: some point and go, I want to be in it. 160 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: I actually want to do it instead of researching it, 161 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: instead of talking about it, instead of learning about it. 162 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: You do all those things obviously constantly. But to me, 163 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: that's the like jump, that's the like I want my 164 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: hands in this kind of thing. 165 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: And so I like, at what, like were you scared? 166 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: Were you? 167 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: Like I always wonder I think when it comes to 168 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: jumping into an actual medical profession, like do you ever 169 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: do did you have any fears about entering it? Because 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: I feel like at that time it was likely mostly male, 171 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: was it? 172 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, surgery continues to be mostly male, and by 173 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: the time I got to medical school in two thousand 174 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: and two, there were a lot of women in the class. 175 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: I think it wasn't quite half and half, but it 176 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: was getting there, but within surgical subspecialties it was still 177 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: extremely male dominated. When I got to medical school, I 178 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: knew that I wanted to treat it like learning language, 179 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: and that kind of desire I've had since I was 180 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 3: a kid to learn as much as possible and taken 181 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: everything about the world was one hundredfold in medical school 182 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: because the level of knowledge that you need to master 183 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: of anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, disease, clinical medicine is encyclopedic and 184 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: judging medical school, I thought I wanted to go into 185 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: surgical oncology, which is an amazing field that involves surgery 186 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: related to cancers of the body. And in those cases 187 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: when I was observing, as you know, a medical student 188 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: assistant in the operating room, I found myself gravitating towards 189 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: the ends of the cases, which at the end of 190 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: the case is when the plastic surgery team comes in 191 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: and they reconstruct the resected tissue deficits. So if the 192 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: cancer team has taken away somebody's entire jawbone, the plastic 193 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: surgery team will come in and use the fibula a 194 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: bone of the leg and do these delicate microvascular anastomos 195 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: these under a microscope and create a new jaw out 196 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: of the leg. You know, just these mind blowing beautiful operations, 197 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: make a new breast out of your you know, abdominal 198 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: body tissue, right exactly. It's just I mean, it's really 199 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: it was so beautiful and interesting, and I thought to myself, 200 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: this is what I need to do, because plastic and 201 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: reconstructive surgery is first of all, totally misunderstand in pop culture, 202 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: in the media life. It seems like the most frivolous, 203 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: stupid profession, but it's actually built out of people who 204 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: at least at one point were extremely intellectual. Yes, and 205 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: I say, okay, this is all age groups, this is 206 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: men and women, this is age zero to one hundred plus. 207 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: You have to be a master of all types of 208 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: anatomy and physiology. You really have to understand artistry. And 209 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: so that little kid part of me was also coming 210 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: to the surface, and that's kind of how I ended 211 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: up there. 212 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: That's so incredibly fascinating, because you know, I would apply 213 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: the same thing to fashion. 214 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: Right. 215 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: So I had a crossroads in my career many times 216 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: in fashion, where I was like, this seems so superficial, 217 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: this seems so this, this seems so that, And then 218 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: I would get these like women coming up to me 219 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: like you changed my life. You made me get out 220 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: of a depression, you made me come out of this. 221 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: You maybe want to feel like a woman again, you 222 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: maybe want to go to work again. You met and 223 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: again the psychology of what that process means. And to 224 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: your point, you know, and I think about cosmetic and 225 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: plastic surgery for the longest time it was reconstructive because 226 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: I have so many people in my life who have 227 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: had to get reconstructive surgeries for cancer and various other things, 228 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: and historically that's what it meant, right, But to your point, 229 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: I also want to I also want to touch on 230 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: the importance of what you do on a cosmetic level 231 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: for so many women, because I do think that the 232 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: women that look like the best version of themselves in 233 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: the most natural way, which is how I even found 234 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: out about you in the first place, was that all 235 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: these women, I'm like, you look incredibly at doctor Devkin, 236 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: doctor Devkin, doctor Devkin, doctor Duvkin, and it was like, 237 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: who is doctor Devgen Because living in LA and I 238 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: was like. 239 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: Why don't I know this person? 240 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: And then I went down the black hole and I 241 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: like obviously follow you, and I was like, oh my god, 242 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: I need everything you do, and like, I think what 243 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: you do is enhance and capture the best thing about women. 244 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: I don't think. I think. 245 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: I think you help built confidence and I think what 246 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: you do is beautiful to be honest and so, but 247 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: I do think to your point, society and pop culture 248 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: has taken this for better for works to a whole 249 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: different place and has very different connotations with many people. 250 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that. 251 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. Plastic surgery is not even 252 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: about how you look. It's about identity and confidence. And 253 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: if I'm doing my job well, then any indication that 254 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: I've even been present is not available to the viewer user. 255 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: And the best, most beautiful artistic bespoke work flips into 256 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: the background. So it's almost like fashion, where there is 257 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: a spoke coulture element to it. And also like fashion, 258 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: plastic surgery has both form and function, so there is 259 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: the reconstructive aspect of it that is a fundamental part 260 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: of the backdrop of plastic surgery, and that's everything from 261 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: cancer reconstruction trauma, reconstruction for facial bone cleft and palette, 262 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: congenital anomalies, all types of syndromes, burn surgery, hand surgery, 263 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: tendon repairs, digit replantation, tissue transfer. There's this huge functional 264 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: part of it, like if you're wearing a shirt, it 265 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: has to cover the relevant parts and there's all form 266 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: like you know, you can save somebody's life but have 267 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: it not look good, of course, or you can make 268 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: it the most beautiful fashion garment that you would ever 269 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: want to wear, that's completely beautifully tailored and customized. All 270 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: of the seams are in the background, and it looks 271 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: like that person was born to wear it. And that's 272 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: kind of the difference between good work and excellent work. 273 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: And when I came of age as a plastic surgeon, 274 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,239 Speaker 3: as you were alluding to before, it was a completely 275 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: male dominated field, the very toxic work environments. This weird 276 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: situation that currently exists where ninety percent of plastic surgeons 277 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: are men, but yet ninety out of patients or wins. 278 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: So that's this strange pig melion complex where men were 279 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: like making their ideal Barry Dollar lab and I just 280 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: felt like, you know, what's missing is what about people 281 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: like me who are intelligent women of substance who also 282 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: want to put their best selves to the world. And 283 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: you know where lipstick doesn't make you less smart, It 284 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: doesn't take away your college degree or whatever. It doesn't 285 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: make you an anti intellectual if you want to wear 286 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: a Q or look as yeah, you know. And I think, 287 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: I really think that that's part of the human condition. 288 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: Ever since Narcissus looked at his puddle in the lake, 289 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: we all have been trying to wear cool sneakers, work 290 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: on our abs at the gym, color our gray hair. 291 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: As I was talking about, it's part of what makes 292 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 3: humans human. And I think the moment you stop caring 293 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: about how you project and present to the world is 294 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: the moment when you stop caring about who you are. 295 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: I could not agree with that more. And I think 296 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: it's okay to say that, and I think it's okay 297 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: to be that. And I think, listen, it's all tied together, right, 298 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: How we put ourselves out there, how we carry ourselves. 299 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: It affects our emotional being. 300 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: Like I always tell people the story when I had 301 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: COVID a couple of years ago, I literally was isolated, 302 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: locked in a bedroom for like ten days. Basically I 303 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: had a full like cat ee and lashes every single 304 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: day and concealer because I just was like, yep, me 305 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: myself and I in this room, but like, this is 306 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: how I feel like me, you know. I just I 307 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: think that that is sort of not everyone feels that way, 308 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: but for me, that's how I feel. It's not for anybody, 309 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's for me. And I think I 310 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: think it's okay that we can wear these different hats, 311 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: and I think that as women, Like it's funny, all 312 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: my doctors are female. Anyone who touches my face is 313 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: going to be a female and like, and that's across 314 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: the board. Anyone who touches my body is going to 315 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: be a female too, Like all my doctors are female. 316 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: And that's And I love men, you know I do. 317 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: I love men. I'm not a men bacheer. I love men. 318 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: Men have been very supportive of me. But I think 319 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I I would want 320 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: a woman who who who understands my psychology and understands 321 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: where I am and what I'm going through. And I 322 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: think there's just this empathy that I think women have 323 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: that you know, I think that we get it, but 324 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: I think, you know, how do you, like, how do 325 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: you have six children? 326 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: So explain this to me? I mean, I know how, 327 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: but so you're you're. 328 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: One of the literally like the absolute most booked, busiest, 329 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: hardest working as just someone who is a working mom 330 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: of two, Like, how, how please explain this to me? 331 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Because you're obviously an incredible mother. 332 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: If we grew up thinking I was going to have 333 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: a huge family, I'm the youngest of four, my husband 334 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: is one of three, and so we kind of thought 335 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: maybe that would be a reasonable number, right, But you know, 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: I love my kids more than anything. They're really good 337 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: kids course, and it is the best. And that's just 338 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: like kind of what life dealt us. After a while, 339 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: we figured out how it was happening because we were 340 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: able to I'm just kidding. 341 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: But like, I'm thinking about you going through all these 342 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: years of school and practice, and I'm also considering you 343 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: were probably pregnant for like twelve of those years, give 344 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: or take, right, So like. 345 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: No, actually I am I had I had my eldest 346 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: son when I was a senior resident, when I was 347 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: a chief resident, and all my other five kids I 348 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: had as an attending so I was more able to 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: sort it out. But yeah, I have four sons, their 350 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: aged twelve year old twins and eight, and then I 351 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: have two daughters who are seven and five. 352 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's the dream. 353 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: The cats are getting in there, they're doing a breakfast 354 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 3: routine and they're helping with everything. 355 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: So tell me, like, Okay, so in your in your 356 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: everyday life, like do you just say, are you still 357 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: sort of like what's next? Or are you sort of 358 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: like I guess what I'm saying is are you systematic 359 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: in your approach to your career or do you just 360 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: cause I'm very gut driven, I'm not. 361 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: I don't plan things at all. 362 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm very like what feels right in the moment, what's next? 363 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: When I feel like it's time to do something else? 364 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Are you sort of like, Okay, by next year, I 365 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: want to launch my next product line by this time 366 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to. Or do you just like are you 367 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: just like I'm good? Right now I'm working on my products? 368 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: Like how do you how does this brain of yours operate? 369 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: Explain to me? 370 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 3: I like to I like to always have projects going on. 371 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: I think the least happy times in my life have 372 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 3: been when I've not been busy, so I thrive on 373 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 3: projects and building and busyness. So I like to plan stuff. 374 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: Not everything is planned. I think the big unknown is 375 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: always a factor, and you know, I like I like 376 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: being open to opportunities and just fun stuff that can 377 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: come up here and there. Some of the most fun 378 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: things I've done recently have just randomly come up out 379 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: of nowhere, like our smoothie a juice press, or our 380 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 3: co branded Costa Chipriani products. These are like organic things 381 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: that have happened in some time. But I do like 382 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: to have kind of a bimodal distribution of my thought, 383 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 3: where there's a short term set of goals and a 384 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: long term set of goals. And you know that Aristotle 385 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: line that excellence is not an act but a habit, 386 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: and you are what you do. So I try to 387 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: make sure that each day is a freestanding, successful day. 388 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: But then I try to think about what's going to 389 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 3: happen in the future. I mean a lot of that 390 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: is it's really a fool's errand because we can't really 391 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: plan the future, I think it's one to try. 392 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: Well. 393 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: I love your products so much, they're so good, especially 394 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: the lip plumper. 395 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: By the way, I want to add that is so good. 396 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: Someone came over to do my makeup and I had 397 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: it on and she was like, did you do your lips? 398 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I literally just put this 399 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: on twenty minutes ago, literally twenty minutes or she had 400 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: seen me like two days before. 401 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it literally it looks like a Cyrindra pill. 402 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: I've put myself out of business a little time. 403 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: Whoa, But I want to talk about that for a second. 404 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: I just do want to touch on because listen, I 405 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: mean being in full disclosure. Not everybody can afford to 406 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: come see the Queen doctor Davkin. So what is your 407 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: advice for women all over the country, all over the 408 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: world that are like I dream to come seere I can't. 409 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: I can't necessarily come get treatment from her, but I 410 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: want to look better? 411 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: What can I do? Do you have tips and tricks? 412 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: There's some very easy, super inexpensive, even free things that 413 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: you can do on a daily basis, besides just the 414 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: stuff your mom told you to do. Likes unscreen and 415 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: don't drink, don't smoke, where sunscreened. Oh we have to live, 416 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: but you have to live a little so whatever that 417 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: means to you. I think you can, first of all, 418 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: right away try to sleep on your back, because if 419 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: you get positional wrinkles I do I compress one side 420 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: of your face, that's going to be a problem. I 421 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 3: think another good tip is to try to stay physically 422 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: active because, particularly like for our generation and as people age, 423 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 3: if your muscle mass decreases, then that will have an 424 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: impact on your bone density and osteopenia and osteoporosis. So 425 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 3: it's funny I watched this video. It was an interview 426 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: of like a dozen women in their sixties and seventies, 427 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: and the question is what advice would you give to 428 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: your younger self? And all of them said almost all 429 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: of them said build more bone density. And I thought 430 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: about that as like what is salient? So thinking about 431 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: stuff like regular exercise and not just for vanity, not 432 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: just so you can get in acute drink, but so 433 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 3: that you can have muscle mass and strong bones, because 434 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: that will impact your attractiveness as well as your health 435 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: and longevity. So you know, as we aid, a facial 436 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: bones structure shrinks, particularly if you have a low degree 437 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: of bone density. So if you have more osteoclast than 438 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: osteoblast activity, then you're going to have more loss of 439 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: the facial skeleton. Then there's other stuff like you know, 440 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: using medical grade skincare, vitamin CB, rule exerum, retinol, bacouchial 441 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: peptide based I cream, mixed molecular weight haluronic with niacinamide. 442 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: These ingredients can improve skin quality because even if you 443 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: can't go get botox and lasers and all that stuff 444 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 3: every three or four months, this is almost like the 445 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 3: equivalent of brushing your teeth every day so that you 446 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: don't need to go get your teeth whitened, so that 447 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: like mini level of resurfacing. So those are some of 448 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: my more esoteric tips about how age in a healthful way. 449 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: And I also the other thing I do want to 450 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 1: point out is I think one of the things I 451 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: admire about your work the most is like, yes, of 452 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: course you do every kind of surgical procedure or whatever, 453 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: but I do love how you always present these alternative, 454 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: like non surgical procedures that really are like face changing, 455 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: like the little magic you do to noses and like 456 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: all these jaw things and all these magical things. 457 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: That you have like figured out how to do it unreal. 458 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: That's the future of beauty. The future of plastic surgery 459 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 3: to me is using the most invasive surgical anatomy, but 460 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: using less invasive, non surgical, smaller, less invasive modalities to 461 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: achieve it. So you kind of need to marry both 462 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 3: in order to push the envelope. But things little developments 463 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 3: like non surgical rhinoplasty. I think that's the most important 464 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: cosmetic surgery concept during my lifetime. That's going to take 465 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: literally millions of people out of the operating room, and 466 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: that's incredibly powerful. Just the act of using micro droplet 467 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: haluronic acid as if it were a surgical Carlage graph 468 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: with the mind and eye of a real board certified 469 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: plastic surgeon, you can make very powerful changes to the face. 470 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 3: So I think part of that is what we were 471 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: talking about earlier, which is just openness to ideas, being 472 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 3: ready to not shy away from change and progress, but 473 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: continuing to be aware, continuing to read articles. Do research 474 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: make progress. 475 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So my closing question, because I don't want to 476 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: take your whole day. 477 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: It's interesting. 478 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: I have a lot of people that wanted me to 479 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: ask you this question because there's a huge controversy about it. 480 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: I kind of have a feeling how you're going to 481 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: answer it, but I'm still going to ask you. There's 482 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: a big debate about what age you should have facelifts 483 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: or things done like that. 484 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: Right. 485 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: Are you asked this at least once a day? Yes, 486 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: And so there's this conversation lately in Los Angeles going 487 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: around like I've already missed the boat. 488 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm too old. 489 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: Apparently I was just to get it in my thirties 490 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: or my forties or whatever. My response to that was like, well, 491 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: it depends on your face, but I want to hear 492 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: from the queen, so please share your thoughts on this. 493 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: So this is a really important and frequently asked questions. 494 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: I think that the trend is toward smaller, more finesse 495 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 3: surgical procedures at younger ages, and that's for four main reasons. 496 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: I think. First, it can be a more discrete outcome, 497 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 3: so less of adulta between the before and the after. Second, 498 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 3: you're going to have a better healing propensity because your 499 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: molecules and cells will be younger and fresher and more 500 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: able to heal an incision. Third, you'll be able to 501 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: have a smaller scar and fourth, you're going to have 502 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 3: more quality adjusted life years to enjoy that outcome. So 503 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: that's kind of how people are generally thinking about things. However, 504 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: you know, not every nail requires the same kind of hammer, 505 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: and so some people can be very happy delaying, defering 506 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: completely surgery. And I think that's part of what modern 507 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: beauty means. It means the permission to be your own 508 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: kind of beautiful. You don't have to shove it down 509 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: someone's throat to like, go have a surgery. As a 510 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: plastic surgeon, the way I think about these things is 511 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: when you have more than a centimeter of pinchable laxity 512 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: in the neck, the jowl, or the mid face, or 513 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: to put it another way, whenever you're dying to subtract. Typically, 514 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: subtraction is the domain of surgery. Addiction can be done 515 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: surgically and non surgically, but they're not. That is, to 516 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: subtract without surgery. 517 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: Right understood? Understood? Okay? 518 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: And what would you say is a procedure you've done 519 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: most throughout your career? 520 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: Is there one? 521 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: Surgically? I do a lot of face and eye surgery. 522 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: Is it like facelift, necklif lefroplasty, little finesse procedures of 523 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: the face, and also some kind of hidden secret plastic 524 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: surgery procedures like temporal brell, clip lift and you know, 525 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: all those little things. And then non surgically, I do 526 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 3: a lot of this term of art that I invented 527 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: about a decade ago of global facial optimization, which is 528 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: things like profile balancing with non surgical Rundo plus augmentation 529 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: giving the face greater symmetry with cheekmone and jawlaine augmentation 530 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: finesse procedures that are designed to keep somebody's identity but 531 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: optimize the way they look. 532 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: I want to move in with you. I feel like 533 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: if I do that. 534 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: I feel like, if I do that, I'll just wake up, 535 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: like yeah. 536 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: With all the kids, cats, we would like probably not even. 537 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: Know, so you know, I wish I had more kids, 538 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: So six kids is not scare me. I love it. 539 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: I want kids, not so much the cats, but I 540 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: would love the new face and all the kids. 541 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: I'd be so happy. 542 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: I love having you, Laura. You are brilliant. You are 543 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: so beyond impressive. You're so beautiful, you're so sweet, you're 544 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: so smart, all the things. I can't wait to jump 545 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 1: into your office. 546 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: I can't wait. 547 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: I can't wait to see you so soon. It was 548 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 3: so fun chatting to you, and I think that you're 549 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: somebody who has done so much to really move the 550 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 3: needle on fashion and how everybody integrates little decisions into 551 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: their daily life with their personal style. And I really 552 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 3: adore all the stuff that you've done. 553 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: Well right back at you. I loved having you. 554 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: This was so much fun, and keep doing keep working 555 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: your magic on everyone, because I mean, we're all just 556 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: in line. Thank you so much to doctor Devkin for 557 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: being on the pod. At first thought, I mean, you 558 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: think cosmetic surgery just seems like, oh my god, it's 559 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: the thing everybody gets to transform their face and look 560 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: this and have the perfect jawnline and the cheekbone and whatever. 561 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: But I was so blown away by doctor Devkin's ability 562 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: to break down how plastic surgery is really about building 563 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: your confidence, gaining your sort of true identity, and you're 564 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: just overall how you feel about yourself every day and 565 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: your confidence and not just about how you look on 566 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: the outside. 567 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. This episode was one of my favorites. 568 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: I literally could have asked her like seventy thousand more 569 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: questions because I think the topic of cosmetic surgery, I'm 570 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: pretty sure I don't go a day without hearing someone 571 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: talk about it on some level. And I think it's 572 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: this massive umbrella that is dominating pop culture in so 573 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: many ways, and I think it can be very detrimental. 574 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: But I think that doctor Dovkin's approach to it is 575 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: just so you know, she's so gifted, she's so talented, 576 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: she's so natural, she's so effortless. If you could see 577 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: the women that I know that she works with, they 578 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: don't look like they've done a thing. They just look 579 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful and like the absolute best version of themselves. 580 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for listening to Climbing and Heels. 581 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: If you haven't already, please subscribe to the show on 582 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the iHeart app, or wherever you get 583 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: your podcasts, so don't miss a single episode this season, 584 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: and follow the show at clembing in Hiales pod for 585 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: the latest episodes and updates. 586 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: I will talk to you soon.