Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcomed episode number twenty two of the Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: I'm Ben O'Brien and today we are in Big Sky,
Speaker 1: Montana once again for the great conversation. This time is
Speaker 1: with a bunch of dudes, three to be exact, the
Speaker 1: first of which is Sam Sohold, whom you know have
Speaker 1: hopefully listed podcasts, a regular guest, and the bus guy,
Speaker 1: second of which is Janice Ptelis Bozeman, Montana, part of
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater crew. You've seen Janice Hopefully on Media TV,
Speaker 1: Steve Rinella, you've seen him or heard him moreover on
Speaker 1: the Media to podcast. And last but not least, David Wise.
Speaker 1: David Wise is, among many things, an Olympic gold melist
Speaker 1: free skier and half pipe um. He's a four time
Speaker 1: X Games gold medalist, two time Olympic gold medalist. He
Speaker 1: scored one most recently a few months back in Soci.
Speaker 1: He was just coming off a win at the sp
Speaker 1: Awards as well. So David is a hunter and an
Speaker 1: Olympic gold manalist. Not a lot of those running around,
Speaker 1: but it was it was great to get his new
Speaker 1: perspective on what competing and hunting and what both those
Speaker 1: things added to his life, so he's had some relative
Speaker 1: fame quite recently. It was also great to hear that
Speaker 1: about that from him and those changes and have this
Speaker 1: whole group together. We all shot the Total Archery Challenge
Speaker 1: and enjoyed the crap out of that and had a
Speaker 1: great conversation. So hopefully you enjoy episode number twenty two
Speaker 1: coming at you. We're recording Yanni tell Us where like
Speaker 1: tell us about Mike placement on podcasts. Right. I've been
Speaker 1: taught to by our sound guys that um who are
Speaker 1: stringing a can in New York who mixed the Mediator
Speaker 1: podcast to put the mic roughly two fingers off your
Speaker 1: top lip, so roughly mustache. And I thing we commonly
Speaker 1: run into is that everybody does this and they go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got two fingers and they're basically making a peace sign,
Speaker 1: just like I'm just talking about two fingers together together
Speaker 1: and not yet turned into a B sign. But I
Speaker 1: was explained, Um, part of it is you're right, David,
Speaker 1: that you don't want to be breathing into the mic
Speaker 1: and you don't hear that sound. But supposely there's a
Speaker 1: lot of sound that comes out of um, sort of
Speaker 1: the cheekbone, area as people are talking. So what what
Speaker 1: do you mean by that very confused sound that come
Speaker 1: Like that's where some of the sound resonates from, Like
Speaker 1: reverberates from your cheekbones as you're talking. Maybe just the
Speaker 1: quality of the sound, I don't know, Like, like it's
Speaker 1: not just all coming out of out of your throat
Speaker 1: right wherever the MIC's picking it up from. There's something
Speaker 1: that's coming through your mouth and out through your cheeks
Speaker 1: a little bit higher than you imagine where your sound
Speaker 1: comes from. The last thing I'll say about mike placement
Speaker 1: is that right in front of the lips you get
Speaker 1: a lot of peas really breathes and and you don't
Speaker 1: you don't want the popping peas well as this prevent
Speaker 1: popping peas. That's what you're telling me. Uh, Yanni, introduce yourself. Uh.
Speaker 1: Jana patel us Bose in Montana yea producer, Meat Eater Television,
Speaker 1: right now, podcast, anything else you want? Know we're at
Speaker 1: we're talking about we were talking about what your title
Speaker 1: should be, right, and I said, producers, not enough? Do
Speaker 1: you agree that's that's not quite descriptive enough? Yeah? Not
Speaker 1: that I've outgrown because I feel like there's room to
Speaker 1: grow as a producer still for me, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, outlying things that I'm involved in,
Speaker 1: so producer doesn't quite you know, cover at all. I said,
Speaker 1: the glue, What do you feel about that? I like it?
Speaker 1: I like it like that. Yeah, it's got legs. The
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Speaker 1: don't know where you're writing to? Where do you don't
Speaker 1: have an info at the Hunting Collective? Where do you
Speaker 1: know most of your messages? I don't know. They're just
Speaker 1: spread out like half for Instagram. Just right, just right in.
Speaker 1: Our address is not listed anywhere. Go ahead and right
Speaker 1: in because I feel like this is bullshit, because I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people out there know my
Speaker 1: email or can find is. I think there is no no,
Speaker 1: there's maybe go to the hunting clicks dot com. There's
Speaker 1: emails right there. I can find it there. So right
Speaker 1: in there, write a letter right to Ben No, right
Speaker 1: to Yanni. He's got enough going on. Yanni's the glue.
Speaker 1: He can handle anything. Well, he'd be great. You showed
Speaker 1: up in a couple of weeks and you're like, y
Speaker 1: need to have a quick fifteen minute meeting a bunch
Speaker 1: of people wrote in, I've got some ideas, ideas, here's
Speaker 1: here's the top ten. So if I listen to this,
Speaker 1: please write in what you think Yanni's meat eater uh
Speaker 1: idols should be, and please include I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing what your fans come up with. Please include descriptions.
Speaker 1: I don't have any fans, just reluctant listeners. David described
Speaker 1: who you are. Hey, everyone, I'm David Wise uh and
Speaker 1: I am a professional skier by trade slash bow hunting addict.
Speaker 1: So I'm here in this room because I happen to
Speaker 1: like to shoot bows a lot, and I'm in the
Speaker 1: same place as these guys, and we decided to sit down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how, hopefully how all podcasts work. We're just like,
Speaker 1: we want to just keep talking to each other, but
Speaker 1: put headphones on and make sure there are two fingers
Speaker 1: away from your mouth above the top lift or at yeah,
Speaker 1: top lift oriented somewhere so that the sound through my cheekbones.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a strong pronounced cheekbone. That's right,
Speaker 1: you have to have that that tenor through the cheekbones. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm coming off of a very what will probably forever
Speaker 1: be the most successful season of my life. Um got
Speaker 1: to go represent the US of A and the in
Speaker 1: the Olympics and pyong Chang and bring home a gold medal,
Speaker 1: and uh, I couldn't be more excited. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you guys this real talk. I couldn't be more excited
Speaker 1: to be in the mounds of Montana shooting bows with
Speaker 1: you guys, because I'm an introvert at heart. I'm a
Speaker 1: mountain man in my soul, and I'm passionate. I love
Speaker 1: I love skiing, I love Part of the reason I
Speaker 1: love skiing as much as I love hunting is that
Speaker 1: both things get me further up, further in, further into
Speaker 1: the wilderness where I wouldn't spend time normally seeking, you know,
Speaker 1: seeking new experiences. And um, so yeah, I'm just excited
Speaker 1: to be I'm excited, excited to be back in my
Speaker 1: element because one of the one of the benefits and
Speaker 1: downfalls to getting too compete in the Olympics is more
Speaker 1: people care about what I do for one year than
Speaker 1: they ever have cared about about it for my entire career.
Speaker 1: You know, the the Olympics tend to connect people, and
Speaker 1: they connect me to people who really probably don't even
Speaker 1: know what I do, you know, or or even if
Speaker 1: they know, and even if they've watched me ski and
Speaker 1: the half five, they don't really understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: They don't understand why my run is better than anybody else.
Speaker 1: They're like dude with the long hair flips upside down
Speaker 1: when he does the flips and spins and stuff, but
Speaker 1: he want a gold medal, you know. So, um, the
Speaker 1: attention that I get is certainly for me kind of overwhelming.
Speaker 1: So um, it's just nice to take a step back
Speaker 1: and remind myself, you know, what what what life is
Speaker 1: all about, and and do the do the enjoyable things
Speaker 1: in the mountains. And I like flinging arrows that whatever
Speaker 1: I can flame that targets. We're coming back to that, Sam.
Speaker 1: I want you to describe where we are and then
Speaker 1: say who you are. Okay, So we are in a
Speaker 1: big sky Montana. We are currently in a corner unit
Speaker 1: kind of condo hotel room type thing looking out over
Speaker 1: pretty amazing mountain views. Yeah, but we're up at the
Speaker 1: Total Archer challenge and I think all of us have
Speaker 1: shot a couple of days in a row now, and um,
Speaker 1: arrows have been lost and good shots have been made,
Speaker 1: but a few of those, but overall, um, yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: amazing time up here and just good to be having
Speaker 1: a conversation with you guys and the buses here. The
Speaker 1: bus is here, the bus is down in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Bus guy. I'm the bus guy. I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: eve gonna say my name the bus guy. Is that
Speaker 1: annoying that you're the bus guy? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's uh so, I'm Sam sohl Um, most
Speaker 1: recently known as the bus guy. But I think it
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: title on my nomadic lifestyle because I kind of started
Speaker 1: doing living on the roads in two and um it
Speaker 1: was probably I think it was two thousands, may have
Speaker 1: two fourteen, I moved out of my house that I
Speaker 1: was renting, and I haven't had a permanent address since then,
Speaker 1: so I've just been living on the road. Last summer
Speaker 1: I built up the school bus, and when I'm on
Speaker 1: the road, i'm living in that, and when I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm just crashing wherever I can find a place. In
Speaker 1: all seriousness, what mostly goes on in the school bus
Speaker 1: like driving and sleeping and then hu hunting out of it. Yeah, driving,
Speaker 1: sleeping and hunting. So it's it sounds like that, sounds
Speaker 1: like a well used school bus. So you do there,
Speaker 1: you eat in there? Probably, yeah, yeah. Like so a
Speaker 1: lot of times I'll hunt alone, and I'll uh, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Got a little camp stove set up on
Speaker 1: the kitchen counter in there, and coffee pot ready to
Speaker 1: like a French press ready to roll. And so I
Speaker 1: wake up and I make eggs and whatever and coffee,
Speaker 1: and then out the bus store into wherever I'm going.
Speaker 1: And then when I've got people in camp, I always
Speaker 1: set up the wall tent sits up next to it.
Speaker 1: Um did a custom wall tent, and so you got
Speaker 1: wood stove and all the cooking stuff out in the
Speaker 1: wall tent, and then everybody's sleeping inside, and I've got
Speaker 1: like a propane fireplace, and so I always set my
Speaker 1: alarm an hour before we have to get up. I
Speaker 1: hop out of bed, turned the fireplace on, go back
Speaker 1: to bed, and then when everybody and I start the
Speaker 1: wood stove. And so when everyone wakes up, the buses warmed,
Speaker 1: the tents warm, and then we cook breakfast and go hunt.
Speaker 1: What you're doing, you're doing hunting camp. Right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a Bluebird bus. It is Bluebird full size school bus.
Speaker 1: So what's the ratio of breakdowns? Two hunts for the bus?
Speaker 1: I should knock on wood. I have yet to break down.
Speaker 1: So but I have done a lot of I've spent
Speaker 1: a lot of money on preventative like maintenance. So I
Speaker 1: before I took off last fall, I went and I
Speaker 1: spent almost six dollars on oil change. Um. They fixed
Speaker 1: a bunch of exhaust leaks, there was hydraulic fluid that
Speaker 1: needed to be sealed up. Um, they did a full
Speaker 1: run through. They did. UM. I had some lights that
Speaker 1: I had, you know, put a screw through some electrical work,
Speaker 1: and so I had shorted out the tail lights on
Speaker 1: one side, and so they fixed all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just that I had him run through the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Um. A guy that does service on all
Speaker 1: the regional school buses in the area where I did
Speaker 1: the build. And so I figured, if he's getting school
Speaker 1: busses ready for kids riding on him, I figured, I'm
Speaker 1: in good hands. But and then I've you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've any time I start to think I'm having trouble
Speaker 1: with it, I take it in and go, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need you to run through this, I need you to
Speaker 1: check it out. And then I'm always trying to be
Speaker 1: ahead of it because I don't want to be out
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. And oh yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: in the dial Like when you're in there, You're like,
Speaker 1: I could do a couple of honts out of this
Speaker 1: thing podcasting the bus. Have you had anybody reach out
Speaker 1: and say, hey, do you have plans on how to do?
Speaker 1: I want to do a busy? So I will say so,
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people reach out and say, oh,
Speaker 1: I've always thought about doing a bus. Uh, you know, like,
Speaker 1: can I ask you questions if I get one and
Speaker 1: build it in h If I'm going to be completely honest,
Speaker 1: I probably talked more people out of buying a bus
Speaker 1: then I have inspired people to buy one. And I
Speaker 1: love the school bus and it's the project has been
Speaker 1: awesome and everything I've done with it has been awesome
Speaker 1: and for what I'm trying to do with it, it
Speaker 1: is the perfect vehicle. I mean, it's you can't miss.
Speaker 1: It goes by, You're like, well, there's just painted up
Speaker 1: school bus. You can tell there's like you know, beds
Speaker 1: and stuff inside. It's like trying people trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on. But if your goal is to
Speaker 1: travel somewhere and just enjoy the outdoors more, a school
Speaker 1: bus may not be the answer. You know, I feel
Speaker 1: like that statements common sense, but well it's nice to
Speaker 1: people know. Yeah, no, don't buy a school bus if
Speaker 1: you want to go up in the mountains, right, it's
Speaker 1: not a you know, you're not taking it off road.
Speaker 1: Once you get there, you don't have a vehicle unless
Speaker 1: you pull something or meet people there. Um, Like last year,
Speaker 1: I pulled up, so I had the full sized bus,
Speaker 1: and then I pulled a utility trailer with a four
Speaker 1: wheeler on it, and so I was, you know, like
Speaker 1: I think the bus is thirty six ft long. And
Speaker 1: then I had a you know, fourteen feet a trailer,
Speaker 1: so I was, you know, running fifty ft up. You're
Speaker 1: a moving conglomerate like gravel roads and stuff, And like
Speaker 1: every time I turned on one, I was just kind
Speaker 1: of in a panic trying to figure out if I
Speaker 1: could take this. It's like, yeah, I don't, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like and had no idea how bus is handled on
Speaker 1: like muddy roads or snowy roads or whatever. So my option, uh,
Speaker 1: if there was bad weather coming, I just parked it
Speaker 1: and stayed. This didn't go anywhere. I've dealt with that
Speaker 1: on a on a much subtler level. Uh, just pulling
Speaker 1: a trailer. I think anybody's I got a little travel
Speaker 1: trailer for the family, and and uh, everybody just assumes
Speaker 1: you can just drive the danny thing everywhere. And I've
Speaker 1: definitely had some conversations with my wife where I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: we gotta have a plan for how we're going to
Speaker 1: get out of the parking lot before we get into it,
Speaker 1: because if I jack knife this thing in the parking lot,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to take it off and get some
Speaker 1: get five friends to like tork it back around. Now,
Speaker 1: how about you want Darry Queenly, Yeah, let alone camping spots,
Speaker 1: just getting just getting fuel, you know, just stopping off
Speaker 1: and I'm picturing you trying to back like maybe telling
Speaker 1: a boat on there and trying to back that into
Speaker 1: a doting honestly, like with the mirrors are pretty good,
Speaker 1: so you could, like you gotta go slow, but you
Speaker 1: can back something up. The worst part is the departure
Speaker 1: angle on behind your rear axel is so far back, like,
Speaker 1: you know, so much vehicle behind the rear tires that
Speaker 1: if you go through a dip like I like the
Speaker 1: jack on my trailer, it was you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how long it was when it started, but I
Speaker 1: probably ground off like six or seven, which is at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the jack, because every time I go
Speaker 1: through a dip it was just and I would just
Speaker 1: run that through. So I just run a couple of
Speaker 1: extra two buy six is yeah, it's just fine. You
Speaker 1: have a big, you know, block, and I could jack
Speaker 1: a lot up on that. That's that's well. You gotta
Speaker 1: be strategic. But overall the bus is awesome. Well and
Speaker 1: the main sorry ahead now, I said, when you first
Speaker 1: did the bus, I said, it's going to break down.
Speaker 1: Every time I was like, there's no way the bus
Speaker 1: to the hunt to ratio breakdown. I figured would be
Speaker 1: one to one. Well I got got one. You beat
Speaker 1: me on that. Yeah, it's a zero percent zero, But
Speaker 1: I got pretty lucky. When the I bought, I basically
Speaker 1: bought the bus from a school district. It was one
Speaker 1: guy had bought it but he didn't use it, and
Speaker 1: I bought it from him. But the school had paid
Speaker 1: to do a complete rebuild on the motor and the transmission.
Speaker 1: So like when I got it, only had twenty thousand
Speaker 1: miles on the rebuild, and I think I've put fourteen
Speaker 1: thousand miles on the bus. Now. Two questions, Yeah, main
Speaker 1: real quick, main purpose of the bus, and then what's
Speaker 1: the ninety two rebuilt engine bus go for? Okay, so
Speaker 1: main purpose of the bus. So a long time ago,
Speaker 1: I was sitting around with my brother and a buddy
Speaker 1: of ours, and we we're talking about, like how cool
Speaker 1: would be to buy a school bus and do like
Speaker 1: a twelve state turkey tour and just drive around and
Speaker 1: kill turkeys. I didn't know you were such a turkey finate.
Speaker 1: We were talking a little bit at lunch, but this
Speaker 1: is let's let him get through this, but we're getting
Speaker 1: into the ten turkeys bring it. So we were like,
Speaker 1: you know, you could you could try. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can buy turkey tags everywhere. There's almost nowhere you have
Speaker 1: to like, there's a very few states you have to
Speaker 1: draw a turkey tag. And so you could say you
Speaker 1: go hunting Nebraska and you kill three turkeys and then
Speaker 1: you just go to the next date and you buy tags,
Speaker 1: and we just thought that to be cool too, rip
Speaker 1: out all the guts out of a school bus and
Speaker 1: have a couple of cots and just a wood stove
Speaker 1: and whatever and keep it super simple and just like
Speaker 1: travel around and kill turkeys. And that was the original, like,
Speaker 1: you know, three guys sitting around bullshit and idea. And
Speaker 1: then it was I think it was like three years
Speaker 1: after that. But like when we had that conversation, like
Speaker 1: every time I'd see a school bus and'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at that bus, you know, means like I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like a look at that short bus, Like,
Speaker 1: oh man, look at that one. That'd be like perfect
Speaker 1: size for doing this, you know. Um, it was the
Speaker 1: fall of I was kind of coming off a hunting season,
Speaker 1: trying to kind of figure out what I wanted to
Speaker 1: do next. Um, all of the public land transfer debates
Speaker 1: and everything that we're coming you know happening. People are
Speaker 1: starting to get fired up about trying to keep public
Speaker 1: lands public, and I just it seemed like the right
Speaker 1: opportunity to both get the bus and build it out
Speaker 1: and then have it mean more than just some guy
Speaker 1: rolling around hunting, because that's you know what, that's not
Speaker 1: that cool of a story, like it's just a homeless
Speaker 1: guy in a bus traveling around trying to shoot things.
Speaker 1: So I tried I attached it to this public land message,
Speaker 1: and my whole goal was to stay at a very
Speaker 1: elevated level to raise awareness about the issues and help
Speaker 1: educate people and kind of have people look at it
Speaker 1: and try to figure out what I'm talking about and
Speaker 1: then go do research on their own about all the
Speaker 1: public land stuff and just kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: of a call to action to get people involved with
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what they can do to keep
Speaker 1: stuff public. So that was the the whole goal, and
Speaker 1: it was to buy the bus. What would you have
Speaker 1: guessed John on the cost well higher, So he had
Speaker 1: he had it listed for I first tried to trade
Speaker 1: guns in gear because I like to barter, and uh fine,
Speaker 1: I think I wore him to trade out. Well, I've
Speaker 1: done so. I've done a lot of photo work for
Speaker 1: different clients over the last six eight years. And you know,
Speaker 1: he had a gun here there, and a pack here
Speaker 1: and there, and clothing and coolers and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: And so the guy I bought it from, his name
Speaker 1: was carlos In Fort Lupton, Colorado, and I was like,
Speaker 1: do you like to hunt? You like to fish? Like,
Speaker 1: would you want to trade gear for it? And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you got? And I was like what do
Speaker 1: you need? You know? So he's like, oh, we'll take
Speaker 1: you know, like looking for this, and so I gave
Speaker 1: him like a whole laundry list of stuff and then
Speaker 1: I just wore him down and finally he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll take five thousand in gear trade or cash,
Speaker 1: and I said sold. So I bought it New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: And the funny part about that is that about five
Speaker 1: years ago Sam and I were on a hunt and
Speaker 1: during the hunt, I was talking about podcasting, and then
Speaker 1: the same hunt he was talking about building a bus,
Speaker 1: and then about at the same time. Yeah, four years
Speaker 1: later or whatever, now we're talking about you're on your
Speaker 1: podcast talking about my bus. That's crazy. That's deep. Whoa,
Speaker 1: it's real deep. All right, we're going back, David. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have any transition at all. Wow. That was
Speaker 1: that was great. Thanks. We're just gonna get back to
Speaker 1: you eventually. Thank you. Sam. Part of the podcast, Um,
Speaker 1: when you start hunting a great question? I started, Uh,
Speaker 1: it depends on how you define it. I started tagging
Speaker 1: along with my sisters um when I was eight or nine,
Speaker 1: and uh, I got my license as soon as I
Speaker 1: possibly could. UH primarily hunt. I mean, I'm an opportunist.
Speaker 1: I'll hunt, I'll fish, I'll i I love the idea
Speaker 1: and the and the ability to go out there and
Speaker 1: provide food for yourself off the land. So um but
Speaker 1: but I definitely because my time has always been limited.
Speaker 1: Even from a young age, we were always traveling to ski. Um,
Speaker 1: I've I've sort of naturally gravitated towards the big game
Speaker 1: side of things because I could go out for a
Speaker 1: couple of days at a time. A lot of times
Speaker 1: it was just weekends and and the reward was immense,
Speaker 1: Whereas if you're if you're an amazing chucker hunter or
Speaker 1: you're an amazing fisherman, you are still providing food for
Speaker 1: you and your family, but not at the levels that
Speaker 1: you are when you can harvest a deer, harvest and
Speaker 1: elk um. So, my dad and my I have sister,
Speaker 1: I've twin sisters that are four years older than me,
Speaker 1: and my dad hunted kind of recreationally when he was
Speaker 1: growing up, and um, it was always something that he
Speaker 1: respected and liked, but it wasn't it wasn't a big
Speaker 1: thing to him until his daughter starting to get into
Speaker 1: the age where maybe they could hunt, and he realized, now,
Speaker 1: this is something that I kind of want to pass down.
Speaker 1: So my dad ironically got back into hunting because of
Speaker 1: my sisters because they were getting to the age where
Speaker 1: they could hunt. And uh, they went out those first
Speaker 1: couple of years and they were just absolutely clueless because
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't a great hunter. He was he
Speaker 1: had just done it, like I said, recreationally and his
Speaker 1: knowledge level was low. But um, when you're the guy,
Speaker 1: when you're the guy that because when we all go
Speaker 1: out and hunt, especially most of Nevada hunting is public ground.
Speaker 1: So when you go out and hunt in public ground,
Speaker 1: you bump into other people who are hunting as well,
Speaker 1: and you don't always tell them where you're going, but
Speaker 1: you always chat about what what's your experience? Have you
Speaker 1: guys seen any nice bucks? Have you seen any dose?
Speaker 1: What have you seen? And uh, the guy with two
Speaker 1: twelve year old girls, twin girls hunting, uh, definitely sticks
Speaker 1: out like a store a sore thumb. So my family
Speaker 1: essentially lucked out in the fact that they kind of
Speaker 1: bumped into some people who are really knowledgeable about hunting.
Speaker 1: And uh, those guys basically took my dad and my
Speaker 1: sister's out hunting, and that was just at the age
Speaker 1: where I was old enough to tag along. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say that I wasn't kind of holding them back,
Speaker 1: and I'm in hindsight, I'm thankful that they were willing
Speaker 1: to hike at the pace that an eight year old hike.
Speaker 1: I would say I was probably setting a pretty a
Speaker 1: pretty decent pace for an eight an eight year old,
Speaker 1: but I was still late, you know. But um, I
Speaker 1: loved it so much. I don't know. I think some
Speaker 1: of hunting is in nate, you know that. I don't
Speaker 1: I can't really explain why I liked it, but I
Speaker 1: always liked it lot. And I got to be there
Speaker 1: when my sister got her first buck, and um, I
Speaker 1: got to experience the whole process from you know, the hunting.
Speaker 1: We hunted hard, we had we were having a hard
Speaker 1: time finding anything. Then we saw a buck. She shot it,
Speaker 1: She heart shot it. I mean it was an amazingly quick,
Speaker 1: ethical lethal kill. And you know, the butchering process. All
Speaker 1: that stuff fascinated me and then I got to experience
Speaker 1: it from from a food side, and that was it.
Speaker 1: I was at eight years old. I've been eaten years
Speaker 1: since I was eight. And um, like I said, my time,
Speaker 1: the time for me has always been the biggest, probably
Speaker 1: the biggest obstacle between me and hunting. I think I
Speaker 1: look at me and hunting kind of the same way
Speaker 1: I look at me and my wife. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be a really ridiculous analogy, So here we go. You're ready.
Speaker 1: Um where Like my wife and I we met when
Speaker 1: we were young, and we we didn't get together when
Speaker 1: we first met, but we were always destined for each other.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about hunting. Is like I
Speaker 1: hunting and I met at a really young age, but
Speaker 1: I always just kind of dip my toes in it.
Speaker 1: But but I was meant to be a sold out
Speaker 1: bow hunter and I just didn't realize it. And the
Speaker 1: same way, the same thing with my wife. I like,
Speaker 1: I met her and she fascinated me, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really know and I wasn't really in a good place
Speaker 1: in my life to be with her at that time.
Speaker 1: And we went we went our separate ways, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, I met back up a couple of years
Speaker 1: later and I was like, holy crap, yeah I can't.
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to forget this girl. And you know,
Speaker 1: but beyond that, it was just wildfire. And uh, same
Speaker 1: thing with hunting. It was like I always liked hunting,
Speaker 1: and and in Nevada are our opportunities are somewhat limited,
Speaker 1: especially on the rifle side. Um, if you put in
Speaker 1: for easy to draw units, you can probably you can
Speaker 1: most likely draw a tag a year, but that's not
Speaker 1: even guaranteed. That even that's not guaranteed. The between hunting
Speaker 1: cow elk and putting in for everything else, I mean
Speaker 1: literally when I when I when I would put in
Speaker 1: for the Nevada draw it, I'd I'd run it out
Speaker 1: of things to put in for because I just wanted
Speaker 1: to draw something. So the hunting was a little limited,
Speaker 1: so I would just hunt when I drew a tag.
Speaker 1: So you know, when year I draw a deer tag
Speaker 1: and I'd hunt that, And the next year I draw
Speaker 1: a deer tag or maybe an antelope tag, and I'd
Speaker 1: hunt those. Um, whatever tag I happened to draw would
Speaker 1: be the animal I chased. It wasn't like I was.
Speaker 1: I was not very calculated about it. It was just
Speaker 1: kind of like throwing some darts at the wall and
Speaker 1: and and hunting, which everyone stuck. And I drew an
Speaker 1: elk tag one year and I realized, when I drew
Speaker 1: an elk tag, I've never seen an elk. That's gonna
Speaker 1: sound super funny to you guys, because you grew up
Speaker 1: in areas where elk are plentiful, and you see him
Speaker 1: on the side of the highway. And I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of elk since then. But when I drew it,
Speaker 1: and I want to clarify that, uh, when uh, I
Speaker 1: always started as an elk hunting guide, I'd probably only
Speaker 1: seen maybe a dozen elk up to that point. I
Speaker 1: grew up in the east coast. Yeah, and I grew
Speaker 1: up on the east side of South Dakota. That's true.
Speaker 1: Shut that down. Continue pardon my ignorance. Before you continue,
Speaker 1: I want to give you a plus, definitely an A
Speaker 1: on your analogy, because like, if your gal isn't happy
Speaker 1: with the way that you compared hear, do you like
Speaker 1: your love to hunting, and then she doesn't love you
Speaker 1: more now like she should. I was super first when
Speaker 1: you first put off the analogy, I'm like, he's about
Speaker 1: to crash and burn on that. But that was good
Speaker 1: because when I'm hunting, I'm chasing. When there's chicks running
Speaker 1: up chases, you know, there's no way. I would also say, Um,
Speaker 1: your story, I think it's similar to a lot of
Speaker 1: folk stories, and I'd like to hear from everybody about
Speaker 1: this particular point, which is one my dad stopped hunting
Speaker 1: for a long time until I got into it, and
Speaker 1: then he got back into you at my level. And
Speaker 1: then as I've as my levels of honey with kind
Speaker 1: of increased, he's he's gone back with me, kind of
Speaker 1: like the metronome X. But then also during college, I
Speaker 1: didn't hunt as much. Like during that formative time, we're
Speaker 1: not trying to figure out my life. I wanted markedly
Speaker 1: less than I did when you know, I turned twenty
Speaker 1: three and got out all that and got into like,
Speaker 1: what what do I want my life to be? So
Speaker 1: I I find like that story is not it's pretty
Speaker 1: damn yeah, it's it's a common It's actually a more
Speaker 1: common story. The more I share it with people, the
Speaker 1: more common I realized that is is that um, and
Speaker 1: I think that that the heritage of hunting is super important.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to teach my kids the hunt when they
Speaker 1: grow up, you know. And uh so anyways, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was I stopped on you know, drawing my first elk
Speaker 1: tag and realized I've never seen an elk before and
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I guess I gotta go figure this
Speaker 1: animal out. But I've I've grown up. I feel really
Speaker 1: fortunate to have grown up in a in a state
Speaker 1: with so much public land. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: something that we for are all very passionate about. Is
Speaker 1: like we want to see if anything more access to
Speaker 1: public land. Uh, if anything, we want to see it
Speaker 1: just it protected better and better. Because I never once
Speaker 1: hunted on private land until that was like as you're
Speaker 1: talking about, like, idrew a tag here that was all public,
Speaker 1: always peblic land. There was no other there was no alternative.
Speaker 1: We were kind of I mean, me and my dad
Speaker 1: and our hunting buddies, we would kind of laugh at
Speaker 1: the people who went out and bought land on our tags,
Speaker 1: were like, why would we buy a land on our
Speaker 1: tag when we can buy the thirty five dollar deer tag?
Speaker 1: You know. It just it just wasn't the it wasn't
Speaker 1: the the approach that we had to hunting because hunting
Speaker 1: for us was always about food, you know. Uh, it
Speaker 1: was never about shooting the biggest animal. And would we
Speaker 1: shoot if you had a choice between the bigger buck
Speaker 1: or the smaller buck? Are you gonna shoot the smaller buck? No,
Speaker 1: You're gonna shoot the bigger one. But if you have
Speaker 1: a chance between a small buck and no buck, are
Speaker 1: you going to shoot the small buck? Yeah? Because it's food.
Speaker 1: It's food for the freezer, and so yeah, I was
Speaker 1: that was always my heritage growing up in hunting was it?
Speaker 1: It was public land was the only option. And that's
Speaker 1: why I say, I feel really fortunate to having grown
Speaker 1: up in Nevada because we do have so much access
Speaker 1: to public land, and I've learned I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: describe myself as a very good hunter, but I'm a
Speaker 1: very relentless hunter. And I think the public land is
Speaker 1: what taught me. That is because I realized everybody has
Speaker 1: the same chance on this piece of ground, but the
Speaker 1: guy who walks a little further in, or goes or
Speaker 1: climbs him out in a little bit faster, he has
Speaker 1: a greater chance. And I learned that from a pretty
Speaker 1: young age and that's how I hunt today. It drives
Speaker 1: some of my friends that I hang out with crazy.
Speaker 1: They're like, why did you walk that far in? Why
Speaker 1: did the main the main question usually is why did
Speaker 1: you shoot that that far in? And I'm like, because
Speaker 1: that's where I found it? Sorry, you know, and uh so, anyways,
Speaker 1: I don't I kind of got lost on my No,
Speaker 1: that's a different It's just a different way to grew up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up hunting public land, but it
Speaker 1: was it was a lot different. You grew up problem Michigan.
Speaker 1: I don't even think the concept of public land really
Speaker 1: hit me until I was probably but I don't know,
Speaker 1: five years into guiding Elk hunters on public land and
Speaker 1: so I kind of sort of realized what was going on.
Speaker 1: And we had private access to private land to public land, right,
Speaker 1: it was harder to get to. So we saw a
Speaker 1: few dudes coming in and just slowly figured out that
Speaker 1: we were, you know, kind of protecting it. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it much in town as to where we
Speaker 1: were hunting, right because we had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a honey hoole. But yeah, I mean I was mid
Speaker 1: mid twenties until I was kind of like, oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: a hundred square miles that just like just go right.
Speaker 1: I was the same way I was, like maybe years old.
Speaker 1: I grew up on in public land mostly and then
Speaker 1: got to wait a minute. I grew up in public land.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was the place everybody went hunting.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had no idea that it was
Speaker 1: like some kind of classification around where we could go
Speaker 1: and not go. I just thought we go sometimes, we
Speaker 1: go to private every once in a while. We would
Speaker 1: hunt farms. Every once in a while we would most
Speaker 1: of the time we would go public. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: two things. We would access public through private quite a
Speaker 1: bit growing up, but that was just part of it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think anything of it. I really didn't,
Speaker 1: And most of the time, most of the time for me,
Speaker 1: it was never uh we were never hunting on the
Speaker 1: private ground. It was just an access point to to
Speaker 1: a big piece of public land that didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of access. So um, it was always a cool
Speaker 1: It's cool to be able to go through there because
Speaker 1: then you know, you kind of knew you were gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some opportunities to other people weren't. But um,
Speaker 1: as I was talking about my analogy, I'm going to
Speaker 1: complete the circle of the analogy of how I went
Speaker 1: from being a recreational hunter to uh to a guy
Speaker 1: sitting here having a podcast with you guys. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it's almost a hundred percent Remmy Warrant's fall because um
Speaker 1: he beat me to it. I was gonna be yea.
Speaker 1: So if he gave you the Remmy Warrant disease, then
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, yeah, he gave me the bug, and
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to get away from it. Um.
Speaker 1: I So after I was always a hunter and I
Speaker 1: would always put in for tags and and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't it honestly wasn't even at the top
Speaker 1: of my list every year. Everything the top five items
Speaker 1: on the top of on my list, we're skiing related.
Speaker 1: And then when I finally changed my perspective, got married
Speaker 1: and had my little girl, my first, my my daughter.
Speaker 1: I have two kids now, Ni Alien Malichi. When I
Speaker 1: had my little girl, my perspective changed, and and and
Speaker 1: three or four of those top five things became family
Speaker 1: and and and people oriented. And that really helped actually
Speaker 1: helped me be a better athlete, better skier because I
Speaker 1: wasn't so caught up in success on a pair of skis.
Speaker 1: But um, but the top five never really included hunting.
Speaker 1: Hunting was up there, you know, it was. It was
Speaker 1: like six seven eight somewhere in there. But um, after
Speaker 1: the Olympics in I won my first gold medal, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I had more attention on me
Speaker 1: than I had ever expected to have in my whole life.
Speaker 1: For one month of the year. They treat you like
Speaker 1: an absolute celebrity, and people want you to show up
Speaker 1: to their events and they want to they just want
Speaker 1: to take photos with you, and and it was just
Speaker 1: kind of foreign for me because skiers have always appreciated
Speaker 1: what I do, but the rest of the world really
Speaker 1: didn't care. They're like, wow, why why would you flip around?
Speaker 1: And a half pipe? That's silly, you know. Uh So
Speaker 1: I was overwhelmed, as as the mountain. The mountain main
Speaker 1: introvert Emmy was overwhelmed, and I was just having a
Speaker 1: just a casual conversation with Remy. Um. He and I
Speaker 1: have had mutual friends forever. We kind of grew up together,
Speaker 1: and he was just like, listen to Dave I know
Speaker 1: you love to hunt, but I really think you should
Speaker 1: try shooting a compound bow. Um and I I had
Speaker 1: had an old bear re curve my whole life that
Speaker 1: my grandfather handed down to me and my dad kind
Speaker 1: of collectively, He's like, here, this is for both of
Speaker 1: you guys. And Um. So I liked bows. I think
Speaker 1: everybody likes bows, and bows are super cool. But when
Speaker 1: Remy gave me one of his old bows and I
Speaker 1: started shooting a compound bow, and I realized how how
Speaker 1: meditative it was, because archery is one of those things
Speaker 1: where you have to slow your heart rate down and
Speaker 1: be focused at the same time. And that really related
Speaker 1: to what I was striving to be as a skier
Speaker 1: is you know, intense. The things that the tricks that
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of them have never been done before,
Speaker 1: and so it's really I'm at a high level. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm basically my goal is to reach the highest level
Speaker 1: that I'm capable of on skis, and so it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of intense. But in order to reach that level,
Speaker 1: you can't be you can't be overhyped about it because
Speaker 1: then you're gonna then you're gonna pin the throttle too
Speaker 1: hard and crash um. So you have to be focused
Speaker 1: by calculated and relaxed and calm and and that side
Speaker 1: of archery just spoke to my soul. I mean it
Speaker 1: was as soon as he put that bone in my
Speaker 1: hands and I went and bought my first twelve pack
Speaker 1: of arrows at Cabela's, it was like game over, just
Speaker 1: first of our first really, yes, it's great a heaven
Speaker 1: recommended for guns, but with bows. Just drink away, so like,
Speaker 1: give me a quick it feels like this, And I
Speaker 1: want Yanni to talk to you about skiing because I've
Speaker 1: never skied. Um, but well we need to we need
Speaker 1: to change that. Well we will, Like if we could
Speaker 1: ski right now, we'd go, but it'd be weird and
Speaker 1: stick the landing and stick the arrow like arrow goes
Speaker 1: in the twelve ring, stick to landing on a gold
Speaker 1: metal run. Like what's the I mean you're describing the
Speaker 1: two differences, but those two success points, like what remove
Speaker 1: the audience from the skiing part? Just just you, yeah,
Speaker 1: just me, And and that's that's something that I've always had.
Speaker 1: It It's been both a benefit and the drawback for
Speaker 1: me as a skier because I have these natural mountain
Speaker 1: man tendencies where I don't need to train with a crew.
Speaker 1: I can train. I Actually some of my best training
Speaker 1: is by myself. I mean not even not even by
Speaker 1: myself with a coach or by myself with a friend.
Speaker 1: It's just literally me and the half pipe. That's where
Speaker 1: I sometimes do my best work. And so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I can. I don't have a hard time removing
Speaker 1: the crowd from the situation because when I'm out there
Speaker 1: trying to do a new run or trying to land
Speaker 1: what might win a gold medal at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I'm not necessarily doing it for the crowd.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that the crowd doesn't add
Speaker 1: to the experience and isn't awesome to have them stoked
Speaker 1: for it. But I would do it anyways even if
Speaker 1: they weren't there. So, um, there eerily similar those two feelings, uh,
Speaker 1: And I would describe it in the sense that, um,
Speaker 1: especially when when you look at the Olympics, right, the
Speaker 1: Olympics is every four years. I only compete in one event,
Speaker 1: So I worked, essentially on paper, I work for four
Speaker 1: years for thirty five seconds and a half pipe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's four years of effort. It's four years of timing,
Speaker 1: it's four years of blood, sweat and tears, and it
Speaker 1: all comes down to that one moment. And I would
Speaker 1: say that that is the greatest parallel that I The
Speaker 1: bow hunting is actually the closest parallel that I've ever
Speaker 1: found to that same feeling with a bow, more so
Speaker 1: than a rifle, more more so than any other form
Speaker 1: of hunting. You have to practice quite a bit. You
Speaker 1: gotta practice all year long. You gotta stay fit, you
Speaker 1: gotta be in shape, you gotta do your scouting. You
Speaker 1: gotta know you're gonna be able to find the animals.
Speaker 1: Then when you get to the zone where you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna find the animals because you've been doing all
Speaker 1: your scouting ahead of time, and you feel confident that
Speaker 1: you can shoot because you've been shooting so much, you
Speaker 1: still have to see the animals. They still have to
Speaker 1: be in a place where you can make an effective stock.
Speaker 1: All those things have to line up. So that would
Speaker 1: be that that would be the parallel to me maybe
Speaker 1: qualifying for the Olympic team. It's like, okay, here I am,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for the Olympics. Close, yeah, but I still
Speaker 1: have to make the dang team. And then you make
Speaker 1: the team. You know, you get say you close the distance,
Speaker 1: your your hundred yards away now and you can maybe
Speaker 1: it's time to blast off a little cal call, bringing
Speaker 1: in just a little closer into the into the zone.
Speaker 1: And that's me, you know, making the qualifiers. I've qualified,
Speaker 1: you know for finals at the Olympics. Is top twelve, Okay,
Speaker 1: I qualified. I'm in the top twelve. I get to
Speaker 1: compete in the finals at the Olympic Games. That's That's
Speaker 1: that when you close that distance between a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty on an elk, and then it all comes down
Speaker 1: to that one moment and can you execute so you're
Speaker 1: in range, the elk doesn't know you're there, that whatever
Speaker 1: the animal you're hunting is doesn't know you're there. Can
Speaker 1: you still, with your heart pounding, with all of that
Speaker 1: pressure on you still drawback, take a deep breath, and
Speaker 1: execute the shot that you want to execute. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of how it feels that the Olympics is like
Speaker 1: everything everything goes to that one moment, but you can
Speaker 1: still totally fuck it up in that last moment. You know.
Speaker 1: I joke often about the fact that my main job
Speaker 1: at the Olympics is to not blow it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like you got there, everything is lined up, but
Speaker 1: you still have to not blow it in the same
Speaker 1: way that you have to treat hunting is like I
Speaker 1: know that arrow, how to get that air to that animals.
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of done in a thousand times. You've
Speaker 1: done it in a thousand times. But this last year
Speaker 1: I shot an up right square in the ass. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, when he's coming in view, Oh yeah, daddy,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's thirty three yards steady stops and I
Speaker 1: just shot it right in the ass. And I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, that for you jumping up doing the halfway
Speaker 1: probably like jumping into the crowd steak. Here's here's where
Speaker 1: the here's where my analogy falls apart right at your
Speaker 1: wife coming back internet different analogies. Uh. Here my my
Speaker 1: analogy between comparing skiing and hunting. Uh. At the Olympics,
Speaker 1: I get three tries. It's the best of three format.
Speaker 1: Don't know how many hunts are best of three formats,
Speaker 1: but uh. But because because that's how the Olympics went
Speaker 1: from me this year I was having on my first run,
Speaker 1: potentially what would have ever would have always gone down
Speaker 1: for me in my mind as the best run of
Speaker 1: my life. I was literally landing the tricks, I was
Speaker 1: going higher, and I was landing the tricks cleaner and
Speaker 1: making everything as smooth as I have ever done it,
Speaker 1: and my ski just popped off, And that would that
Speaker 1: would be kind of you know, if we're if we're
Speaker 1: gonna I'm I'm as people are probably aware by now.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm a pretty big fan of analogies. That
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of your your rest breaking or
Speaker 1: your de loop breaking is like, oh, maybe switching, yeah,
Speaker 1: or the wind switching. Exactly. You did everything right and
Speaker 1: there's one thing that you have no control over. It
Speaker 1: went wrong. That happened on my first run, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was kind of like, I was a
Speaker 1: little flustered, but but I've been doing this long enough
Speaker 1: that I can. I can, you know, shrug my shoulders, wipe,
Speaker 1: wipe the dirt off my shoulders, and go up and
Speaker 1: do another one. It happened again on the second round,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is ridiculous, Like the first
Speaker 1: of all, this kind of thing doesn't happen to me
Speaker 1: at all. It maybe happens once or twice a season,
Speaker 1: you have a you have we we would call it
Speaker 1: a binding prerelease, where you're you're binding releases in a
Speaker 1: situation where it shouldn't have and that will happen to
Speaker 1: me once or twice a season and you kind of
Speaker 1: just you kind of just brush it off and move on.
Speaker 1: It just happens. The the amount of torque that we're
Speaker 1: putting on skis is more than any design any manufacturer
Speaker 1: ever intended skis to have any any that then they
Speaker 1: ever intended. So you don't get special bindings, are they are? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my skis are custom made. My bindings are custom made.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying those tolerances even then, I'm pushing
Speaker 1: the level of the tolerances. So at some point, every
Speaker 1: once in a while you have a fluke binding issue.
Speaker 1: It happens. But to have it happened twice in one
Speaker 1: day and have it be have that day that it
Speaker 1: happens twice in one day be the Olympic Games was
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous. I mean it was silly, and so
Speaker 1: I was going into my third run and and I
Speaker 1: was kind of mad. I was mad between my second
Speaker 1: and third run, and I was like, this is really
Speaker 1: how this story is gonna go, Like, after everything I
Speaker 1: put into this, is this how the story is gonna go.
Speaker 1: Because I went through some pretty hard seasons getting back
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. Uh. But then I just kind of
Speaker 1: laughed kind of the same way that you do when
Speaker 1: you are going on a hunt and and you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like, well the wind switch, man, Like I
Speaker 1: don't have any control over that, and that's how I.
Speaker 1: That's how I. That's like kind of that whimsical field
Speaker 1: that I had going into my third run, It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just reminded myself. I was like, look, man, you
Speaker 1: did everything that you were capable of doing, and things
Speaker 1: went wrong. We're going to crank those bindings up as
Speaker 1: high as they go. On my third run, if I
Speaker 1: had crashed my my my legs would have broken before
Speaker 1: my bindings came up. The thing, things weren't coming off
Speaker 1: on that third run. We put them all the way
Speaker 1: at the top, which is obviously not that safe. Not
Speaker 1: something what bindings are, right, I don't know. Let me
Speaker 1: let me inform you by the binding is the thing
Speaker 1: that you you used to attached your foot to the ski.
Speaker 1: It's the thing that you click into so you so
Speaker 1: there's a heel piece and a toe piece kind of
Speaker 1: kind of similar to, uh, just a pair of a
Speaker 1: really good pair of boots. Is like you you click
Speaker 1: the toe in and then you click the heal in.
Speaker 1: That thing keeps you attached to the ski. And the
Speaker 1: dudes that are hardcore, uh, they had a couple of
Speaker 1: people once tell me, um, better than knees than the skis,
Speaker 1: meaning that they're going to crank up those bindings so
Speaker 1: that that ski never comes off because they want to
Speaker 1: stay with their ski, not lose it somewhere off in
Speaker 1: the woods that they crash whatever. They'd rather just have
Speaker 1: a blown out knee. That's kind of That's kind of
Speaker 1: the approach that I had to that third run is like,
Speaker 1: I'm for it because it's the Olympics and because I've
Speaker 1: been working so hard to get here. I'm going to
Speaker 1: crank these things all the way up with the confidence
Speaker 1: that I'm going to land it. So I'm worried that
Speaker 1: people don't understand, like truly what you're talking about. You're
Speaker 1: talking about cause I watched the Olympic Games. Um kind
Speaker 1: of with Remy, we were texting back and forth when
Speaker 1: you won the gold. We're not talking about just I
Speaker 1: just jump up and do a couple of ends and land.
Speaker 1: This is like how many how many rotations do you
Speaker 1: go through on one of these? Uh? Can you back up?
Speaker 1: If we're gonna go go here, let's back up all
Speaker 1: the way to like, yes, tell us about the half pipe,
Speaker 1: the depth of the half pipe, because that alone, like
Speaker 1: to stand in the mid in the bottom of the
Speaker 1: half pipe that these guys ride and look up at
Speaker 1: those walls that they're riding. I mean, I'm a decent skier.
Speaker 1: I'll ski most everything on this mountain that we're sitting
Speaker 1: next to. But to even come up to that lip
Speaker 1: and just confidently ski off of it and down to
Speaker 1: the half pipe, it's it's it gets you know, butterflies
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. I would say, I would
Speaker 1: say the half pipe is probably the most uh daunting
Speaker 1: looking feature that you can ski on skiing. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a twenty two football basically vertical wall. Most of
Speaker 1: the time, they're pretty icy because they construct these things
Speaker 1: and it's not like they can keep at once they've
Speaker 1: constructed it. They can't keep adding fresh snow so that
Speaker 1: it's nice and soft and chalky. It's like no once
Speaker 1: you've built it, it stays there. So they're usually pretty
Speaker 1: icy and um, the margin for air is really slim
Speaker 1: because I'm taking off and landing on the same surface,
Speaker 1: just like half pipe on a skateboard or a BMX
Speaker 1: bike or anything else. So if I pop a little
Speaker 1: too hard pop is our term for jumping. If I
Speaker 1: jump a little too hard off the takeoff, I'll land
Speaker 1: way out in the middle, you know, where it's flat
Speaker 1: and if I pop a little, if I don't pop enough, uh,
Speaker 1: then I'll land on what on the deck or on
Speaker 1: the coping where which is the flat part beyond the
Speaker 1: vertical part. Yeah, I'm getting it. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: daunting I'm getting no. No, no, I watched it, so
Speaker 1: I know what it looks like. I'm visually, but I
Speaker 1: just just the description of, like I look at these hills,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't go down that, like I hike
Speaker 1: up it and walk down it. But just just a
Speaker 1: description of being in your head speeding down that son
Speaker 1: of a bit going up the other side. That's to me.
Speaker 1: That is how much actual vert is is of the
Speaker 1: twenty two ft is vertical wall. How it's the last
Speaker 1: three or four feet. It's near it's actually not it's
Speaker 1: actually not ninety degrees, it's about eighties eight, six eighty
Speaker 1: nine anywhere. And they're depending on who's cutting it and
Speaker 1: how their night went last night or whatever. So but
Speaker 1: another thing people have to think about is you compared
Speaker 1: the half pipe, you know, like to skateboarding and BMX,
Speaker 1: but not only are you moving vertically, you're moving very
Speaker 1: fast horizontally yep, so you're at That's one of the
Speaker 1: one of the main differences skiing and snowbarning. Half pipe
Speaker 1: are are a half pipe that's built on a hill.
Speaker 1: It's it's built apparel, it's built down a hill. So, um,
Speaker 1: the way the only way that we can generate enough speed.
Speaker 1: We're going my I think my Olympic run of average
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen ft out of the half pipe. So
Speaker 1: on each hit, I'm going eighteen feet out of a
Speaker 1: twenty two ft How fast you going into the half
Speaker 1: pipe thirty five to forty miles, But that's in the
Speaker 1: that's in the flats. When I start. As soon as
Speaker 1: you hit the wall, you're you're going up a hill,
Speaker 1: so you slow down. I'm not going thirty five miles
Speaker 1: an hour. Off the takeoff or I'd probably go thirty
Speaker 1: five ft out it's so um but so yeah, we're traveling.
Speaker 1: Not only just not we're not we're taking off and
Speaker 1: landing on the same surface. But each air I'm probably
Speaker 1: eating up six seventy a half pipe. So from takeoff
Speaker 1: to landing, uh, is anywhere between forty five and sixty
Speaker 1: five feet down the half pipe. So yeah, that's yards
Speaker 1: in archery terms. Yeah, we're gonna keep baking. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of travel. Uh yeah, and each each hit, I
Speaker 1: guess since we're going there, I'll give you a good
Speaker 1: overview of of my sport and what I did. Don't
Speaker 1: be shy, we won't. Um. So I average just say
Speaker 1: this for listeners. We're gonna get to my turkey hunting things,
Speaker 1: hunting talk. It's way more interesting. We're going to get
Speaker 1: to that. Go. We'll get there. Um. On average, there's
Speaker 1: five hits in a run, so it's in it's a
Speaker 1: combination five or six. Sometimes there's six, and most of
Speaker 1: the time it's five. Occasionally there's a half pipe that's
Speaker 1: extra long, we'll get seven. Uh. And occasionally there and
Speaker 1: a half five it's extra short and we get four.
Speaker 1: But most of the time it's five or six and
Speaker 1: you're scored on all five of those tricks, and if
Speaker 1: you do four out of five and mess up the
Speaker 1: last one, you still get a fall score. It's just
Speaker 1: it's you can't you can't do well with a with
Speaker 1: a following around at all. Um. The judging is based
Speaker 1: around quite a few criteria, but just to simplify it,
Speaker 1: I'll say it's based around how high you go, the
Speaker 1: difficulty of the tricks that you do, and how well
Speaker 1: you execute those tricks. Well, I'll do four, how will
Speaker 1: you execute the tricks, and how stylish you are And
Speaker 1: a huge part of free skiing. Free skiing originated because
Speaker 1: we wanted to do things differently than all the other
Speaker 1: sports that were out there. We didn't want to race,
Speaker 1: we didn't want to wear spandex, we didn't necessarily want
Speaker 1: to ski the moguls anymore. We didn't want to do aerials,
Speaker 1: We didn't want to do anything that was similar to
Speaker 1: what was being done. We wanted to do things our
Speaker 1: own way, and so style is a huge part of it.
Speaker 1: And a way that you can recognize good style is
Speaker 1: somebody who takes something that looks really hard and makes
Speaker 1: it look easy. That's style or what we do, what
Speaker 1: we ste styling, and uh so we're judged on all
Speaker 1: those four criteria and the guy who can do all
Speaker 1: four of those can go really high, do technical tricks,
Speaker 1: execute them well. That means landing high, carrying their speed well,
Speaker 1: and add that element of style. That's the guy who
Speaker 1: wins at the end of the day. Ste No, I
Speaker 1: don't have style, orse like everything looks harder. I give
Speaker 1: you skiers props too, because I came from snowboarding and
Speaker 1: probably went I changed to his being a skier in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and one too, somewhere in there. And
Speaker 1: that was after twenty years of snowboard man. So I
Speaker 1: was like, die in the wool man. That was like
Speaker 1: my thing, you know, it was a skateboard and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And so when skiers first started dropping into half pipe,
Speaker 1: so I was like, what is this bullshit? But then man,
Speaker 1: they progress us and the next thing, you know, snowboards
Speaker 1: could only make it out fifteen feet. And the next thing,
Speaker 1: now you're talking like you're so maybe I was off.
Speaker 1: They were going out at ten and all of sudden,
Speaker 1: skiers and that's the reality is there. There's some physical
Speaker 1: there's physical reasons for that. Right, snowboard you have one
Speaker 1: edge on on skis you have too. Um, there there's
Speaker 1: things that are easier on a snowboard. There's there's there's
Speaker 1: things that are easier on skis. That's why I mean
Speaker 1: the guys I like to hang out with and and
Speaker 1: actually inspire me the most are snowboarders at right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because uh, I think it's important to not spend too
Speaker 1: much time with people who are just like you. And
Speaker 1: so there's things that I can see on from the
Speaker 1: snowboarding guys and I'm like, ah, man, I feel like
Speaker 1: we could do that on skis. And that's where I
Speaker 1: draw some inspiration from. It's it's sort of like a
Speaker 1: secret source because everybody's like, where do you come up
Speaker 1: with all this stuff from? And I'm like, well, what
Speaker 1: kind of somebody else? Stealing from somebody that you aren't
Speaker 1: looking to. I like, that is there. Um, you got
Speaker 1: a lot of adulation, right, You got a lot of
Speaker 1: people coming up to you saying thank you or congratulations
Speaker 1: or whatever people say adulation. That's it's great. Where I
Speaker 1: put that in my repertoire word of the day calendar,
Speaker 1: um describe that the adulation. I mean, you just want
Speaker 1: to ask you award? Right, how many days ago? Not
Speaker 1: long today, Saturday? I wanted on Thursday, Thursday, you were
Speaker 1: in l A walking the red carpet, all kinds of people.
Speaker 1: Now you're here walking the walking side, walking side of
Speaker 1: the mountain. Is that just this has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with anything other than that adulation, you know, I know
Speaker 1: it's temporary in the in the Olympics sense. But as
Speaker 1: that adulation comes, and as as people you know, read
Speaker 1: these things and give you praise, do you find yourself
Speaker 1: more defensive or do you fall into it? You fall
Speaker 1: into like I was great, fuck it like I was
Speaker 1: because you were. You were better than everybody in the
Speaker 1: world for that one month that time. I always wondered
Speaker 1: that about people that experience those crazy highs. You fall
Speaker 1: into that high and just be like I'm going Or
Speaker 1: is there some defensiveness, like, man, I'm a skier, I
Speaker 1: just did that one thing really well. They gave me
Speaker 1: a big shiny thing. But that is there somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle there for you or definitely you get you
Speaker 1: get the gold medal for that question, because that's a
Speaker 1: really good question. Um. I think I've I think I've
Speaker 1: definitely fallen victim to both both sides of it, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think the more mature you are, the more you
Speaker 1: realize that that stuff is temporary and that adulation is
Speaker 1: is fleeting. And that's why I think it's most it's
Speaker 1: more important to surround yourself with people who knew who
Speaker 1: you were before you had any success than it is
Speaker 1: to surround yourself with people who really like you, because
Speaker 1: I've I think we've all seen it in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we've all had we all have
Speaker 1: personal experiences with people who had a little more success
Speaker 1: than they expected to, or they got what they wanted
Speaker 1: and suddenly they weren't that cool to you anymore. And
Speaker 1: that is the last thing that I want to have
Speaker 1: happened to me. You know. The reality is I feel
Speaker 1: like everything that I have is a gift. I didn't
Speaker 1: make myself. I didn't choose how how how tall I
Speaker 1: was going to be yet and choose the fact that
Speaker 1: I was gonna grow up in a family that would
Speaker 1: would sell out and support my dreams. Um we didn't
Speaker 1: as a family, wouldn't go on a family vacation. Ever,
Speaker 1: the first vacation that I went to a sunny place
Speaker 1: where you know, the sunshines and I could surf. Was
Speaker 1: with my wife after the first elymp after my first Olympics,
Speaker 1: because and I'm not complaining, I'm I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: my parents we sacrificed every dollar that we had, in
Speaker 1: every moment of vacation time that we could to support
Speaker 1: both my ski career and my sister's ski careers. So um,
Speaker 1: that's not that's something I can't take credit for. How
Speaker 1: can I take credit for that that I did do
Speaker 1: any of that stuff? So realizing that even though for
Speaker 1: that one moment, I did execute as well as I
Speaker 1: could have, and I did win that gold medal, even
Speaker 1: in that moment, I can't take credit for it because
Speaker 1: all of those things that got me there were gifts.
Speaker 1: So um, I like to my my goal with that
Speaker 1: adulation is to share it. I'm like, hey, look, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're excited about what I did, because I think
Speaker 1: skiing is super eff and cool too. I I think
Speaker 1: you should go ski half pipe. I really do. So
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to sort of embrace that
Speaker 1: excitement around my sport and what I do. At the
Speaker 1: same time, I want to be like look, this belongs
Speaker 1: to you too. This isn't just mine and I I'm
Speaker 1: just a guy who likes who's doing what he likes
Speaker 1: to do. And uh. Another one of my huge motivations
Speaker 1: in my public persona is is inspiring kids to do
Speaker 1: what they want to do too. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it has happens to be half five skiing or not,
Speaker 1: but I would I would describe my elf as not
Speaker 1: necessarily the most talented person ever. You know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: the kid who was a phenom. I was never the
Speaker 1: kid that people picked out from a lineup and said
Speaker 1: that kid's gonna be something someday. I just I was
Speaker 1: born without that. I was born without the takes no
Speaker 1: for an answer gene like. I just I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't really care how good I am now. I
Speaker 1: think I can get there, and I would just chip
Speaker 1: away at it, one day at a time, one one
Speaker 1: contest at a time, one one trick at a time.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the kids who were the phenoms
Speaker 1: that everybody was talking about and saying that kid's gonna
Speaker 1: be something someday, we're losing to me. And there they
Speaker 1: didn't understand why. And so that's my That's one of
Speaker 1: the main things that I try to talk to uh,
Speaker 1: the youth or or even even adults, because everybody has
Speaker 1: something they can they can be inspired by. That's what
Speaker 1: always what I say is, don't focus on where you're
Speaker 1: at right now, don't focus on what people tell you
Speaker 1: you don't have enough of focus on what you do
Speaker 1: have and make it a little better. What is it
Speaker 1: you want to do, Get a little better and so um,
Speaker 1: that would be my that that's my uh six years
Speaker 1: removed persup. UH perception of the adulation of of winning
Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medal is like it is, uh certainly
Speaker 1: one of the most overwhelming things. And I've spent time
Speaker 1: thinking I was the coolest thing in the world. And
Speaker 1: I've been reminded by I've been reminded by the people
Speaker 1: in my life who really love me that I'm not
Speaker 1: that I'm not that cool. I'm really just the nerd
Speaker 1: who likes to ski at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: So UM, I think it's important to surround yourself with
Speaker 1: people who know who you are deep down, and not
Speaker 1: with people who are who are who are just saying
Speaker 1: your name and saying you're the coolest thing ever. Because
Speaker 1: that's what happens. I think to two people in Hollywood
Speaker 1: is they just they get so much adoration, and the
Speaker 1: reality is those people who are coming up to you
Speaker 1: on the street, you could do something that was totally
Speaker 1: messed up and not cool, and they'd still be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I don't care, You're the coolest. And as soon as
Speaker 1: you get too many people are like that around you,
Speaker 1: you're in a dangerous spot. So I try to avoid that.
Speaker 1: I try to avoid having people in my core group
Speaker 1: who think anything I do is cool. I like to
Speaker 1: have the people around me who tell me, David, that
Speaker 1: was not that was not that, that was not that tight.
Speaker 1: I don't like how you're your motherfucker. I like that.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of like most of the guests
Speaker 1: on this podcasts have been, you know, high level hunting folks.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe, like there's no comparison
Speaker 1: to what you do to hunting world type of stuff,
Speaker 1: but most of the people have have experienced some kind
Speaker 1: of adulation based on their hunting life. Yanni has to
Speaker 1: some extent, like Sam has some extent. There's these are
Speaker 1: tiny little blips on the radar, but these are still
Speaker 1: somebody come up to be like what you do is cool,
Speaker 1: Like that's the first time that happens to everyone, whether
Speaker 1: you're hunting or skiing or whatever. I feel like that
Speaker 1: just kind of it can either go a good way
Speaker 1: or it can go a really bad way. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Do you think about that, Yanni ever? Like because you're
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on the it's good good to stay humble,
Speaker 1: you know, stay humble, Sam, I'm just gonna be a
Speaker 1: full bad way. Yeah. Let that go to my start,
Speaker 1: just starting, just starting handling. Sign a sign, an autograph.
Speaker 1: But like you ever seen the bus sign your baby?
Speaker 1: I always carry a sharpie. I sign a lot of
Speaker 1: things people don't want to to. I've ruined a lot
Speaker 1: of just you know, like memorability that people got just
Speaker 1: for being an event. I've drawn a lot of busses
Speaker 1: on people's T shirts. I'll tell you that right now. No,
Speaker 1: I think Yoh's right. I think it's it's good to
Speaker 1: stay humble, and it's just you at the end. I
Speaker 1: think the best quote I've ever heard as far as
Speaker 1: people in the hunting industry, no matter how many people
Speaker 1: know who you are in the hunting industry, you're not famous.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a very good equipta d Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how big you are in skiing, you're
Speaker 1: still just a skier. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way
Speaker 1: to put it. Totally fine. We're gonna spend this off
Speaker 1: now to the turkey topic because I really liked turkeys
Speaker 1: and Yanni is a big turkey hunting right Ni would
Speaker 1: you describe speaking of being good at skiing t hunting? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Out what level of turkey hunter are you? How much?
Speaker 1: How much compared to my passion? Like right now it
Speaker 1: it might be number one? Do you think so? For me?
Speaker 1: Right now and at this time it's number one for me, Sam,
Speaker 1: Where does it rank for you? I would say probably
Speaker 1: number two because behind what I love deer hunting. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's white, tyler, mule deer. I just
Speaker 1: love deer hunting. Okay, So, David, have you ever run
Speaker 1: in Turkey's? What's Let's let me bring up another analogy
Speaker 1: since that's my that's my theme, my wife and turkey hunter.
Speaker 1: Since I'm sitting with three very avid turkey hunters, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be I've heard a sportscaster this Olympics talk about
Speaker 1: how there should always be like a layman for every
Speaker 1: every time you have an intense Olympic sport, you should
Speaker 1: always have somebody who's just a random er pulled from
Speaker 1: the crowd so that everybody can unders and exactly how
Speaker 1: hard this is. Uh and and I think Half Life
Speaker 1: is a great example of that, where there there should
Speaker 1: be somebody who just skis up that thing and is terrified,
Speaker 1: just to show you that it's actually terrifying. Like me, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: next time you would film a pipe video, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have you come and be there and it would just
Speaker 1: be me screaming. That's all you would hear. There go.
Speaker 1: So I'm the turkey layman in the group. I've literally
Speaker 1: never hinted a turkey in my life. That's good to hear,
Speaker 1: but it's now apparently because I respect all three of
Speaker 1: you and your opinions. If you think turkey hunting is
Speaker 1: that dang cool, there must be something I'm missing because
Speaker 1: I grew up in Nevada where you gotta put in
Speaker 1: for seven years and get seven years of bonus points
Speaker 1: to maybe draw a turkey tach. I like that. I
Speaker 1: like that, that's that's your and I've never bothered because
Speaker 1: it's the wrong season. Well there's there's yeah, there's other
Speaker 1: things that other things to do, like mule deer and elkins,
Speaker 1: every other thing. Um, Turkey hunting is the best because
Speaker 1: why um, speaking of being humbled, you can get your
Speaker 1: ass humbled on a consistent basis chasing those birds. And
Speaker 1: that probably is one of the reasons that it's hard.
Speaker 1: In the moment, it's hard, kind of hard to say.
Speaker 1: When he just walks away from you and you get humbled,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's why I love it. In that moment,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say that. But looking back over the
Speaker 1: course of the season, where I got to hunt eighteen
Speaker 1: days and I think I killed three birds, um, and
Speaker 1: that had probably for three birds that I killed, there
Speaker 1: was probably ten birds that I'm interacted with and I
Speaker 1: didn't kill them like you know, and I could again,
Speaker 1: I consider myself to be a good hunter, and so
Speaker 1: did to have that playing field be right there. Had
Speaker 1: I killed all thirteen, I don't know how I feel
Speaker 1: about it, right. Sam describes them sometimes like puffed up
Speaker 1: rumas like they're just rolling around, they don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. I like to believe they're so dumb that
Speaker 1: they're hard to hunt because they there is no rhyme. Yeah,
Speaker 1: turkey really does never know where he's going. They have
Speaker 1: no idea. So I described it as a puffed up
Speaker 1: room because they fly down and then they puff up
Speaker 1: and then they just walk around and they like run
Speaker 1: into the edge of the field and then they just
Speaker 1: go to the other direction and they hit that edge
Speaker 1: of the field and they go into the woods and
Speaker 1: then like a half hour later just like pop back out.
Speaker 1: So you know they're in there, just like hitting trees
Speaker 1: back and forth and eating bugs and you know, just
Speaker 1: chasing huh yeah, let it all. But let them see
Speaker 1: a glimpse of a kyo on the far side of
Speaker 1: that field yards away, and they're like and they just
Speaker 1: melt into the ground, just gone gone. That's why they're
Speaker 1: so great because they're so unpredictable. Don't know what the
Speaker 1: turkey is gonna do, because the fucking turkey doesn't know
Speaker 1: what it's going to do. And then at some level
Speaker 1: that switches on when that turkey knows what it wants
Speaker 1: and you know what it wants, and you've got to
Speaker 1: play that game and you're talking to a raptor like
Speaker 1: that's for like this is a mini dinosaurs sleeps. It's
Speaker 1: a uh sleeps and trees and it's got rapture like
Speaker 1: hooks on the back of its legs and it flies
Speaker 1: down out and you talk to it and it comes in.
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, on my hand so and it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I see you. I'm looking to have some I'm go
Speaker 1: the fuck. And then it's like yeah, okay, I want that.
Speaker 1: Then it starts coming and maybe it's just hooking up.
Speaker 1: What are you really down? Like, I don't really see
Speaker 1: you moving around too much? And you got per get
Speaker 1: it in these last little bits of like tantalizing sounds
Speaker 1: that that turkey's gonna have. It finally comes in. It
Speaker 1: checks up on the decoy and it starts to strut,
Speaker 1: spit druns. It's like oscillating feathers and its wings are
Speaker 1: moving back and forth, and it's just it doesn't have
Speaker 1: any idea what it's doing. It's a room at that
Speaker 1: point because this is like I'm about to get it on,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how to do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take a couple of circles and then like that moment
Speaker 1: happens when you're ready to shoot it. And you shoot
Speaker 1: it and you always have. Like the flopping turkey is,
Speaker 1: in my mind, the number one thing you can see
Speaker 1: in the woods, Like the flopping turkeys. Your guy that
Speaker 1: likes to flop, you don't like to just when they
Speaker 1: fold up and fall over. I'm not saying I like
Speaker 1: the fact that they're flopping around. I just like the
Speaker 1: fact that that that entire dance is played out and
Speaker 1: now I'm successful. I'm not saying I disrespect the thing
Speaker 1: as it's dying or like enjoy the death of it,
Speaker 1: but I enjoy like it gets me going to know
Speaker 1: that I've just had a conversation to some level with
Speaker 1: a wild raptor that sleeps in trees, flies down every
Speaker 1: morning and has little to no chance to really know
Speaker 1: what it's doing. But like that that dance, to me
Speaker 1: is it's more intense than elk cutting. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still at the point where every time one is
Speaker 1: flopping or folds over dead, I'm kind of relieved and like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe that happened, Like I
Speaker 1: can't believe he's dead. Yeah, yes, that's I think. Why
Speaker 1: the flop is It's such a satisfactory thing, Like that happened.
Speaker 1: I did that. I used a fucking piece of wood
Speaker 1: that's some fellow crafted to make noises to a giant,
Speaker 1: you know bird that just came in and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: eat it. It's gonna be glorious and some of the
Speaker 1: best meat ever. That's another reason, Like you say you
Speaker 1: grew up, Dave, Yeah, I think. Uh not to interrupt you, sorry,
Speaker 1: I really resonated with the fact you talked about this, uh,
Speaker 1: this thing that we're gonna get into a little later,
Speaker 1: so I won't I won't spoil. But you talked about
Speaker 1: shooting enough turkeys to not have to buy white meat
Speaker 1: for the year, and that you have like, because that's
Speaker 1: so foreign to me. Turkey hunting hasn't appealed to me
Speaker 1: anymore than it ever did. In that moment when you
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, oh, I could I could
Speaker 1: get into that, because the reality is in my house,
Speaker 1: we don't need any we don't eat anything that's red
Speaker 1: meat that's not game. Um. I've and that's you know, God,
Speaker 1: given I've had some very successful years. I've had a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of years in a row, three
Speaker 1: years in a row where I've been able to kill
Speaker 1: a deer in an elk and a couple of times,
Speaker 1: uh too too elk in a deer. So I've got
Speaker 1: lots of meat around. I'm actually kind of getting getting dry.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna need We're gonna need to go hunt
Speaker 1: again here pretty soon. But um, being able to just
Speaker 1: pull from the freezer and never have to go to
Speaker 1: the store for red meat is amazing to me, and
Speaker 1: in the qualities ten times better. So when you said
Speaker 1: that about white meat, and I was like, man, all right,
Speaker 1: do you guys eat chicken? Do you guys eat chicken
Speaker 1: like store about chicken and lunch meat like turkey and whatnot?
Speaker 1: You guys, Sam, you eat a lot of chicken storebroll chicken,
Speaker 1: probably half dozen chickens. Well, now we have chickens, so
Speaker 1: it's probably last year. I don't know if we bought
Speaker 1: any of the chicken. But prior to that, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: Steve said this about like what his brother says, like
Speaker 1: the store bought chicken. You simply cannot replicate that going
Speaker 1: up on the mountain. No, it's just like even shooting
Speaker 1: a while at turkey. You can roast that thing a
Speaker 1: special way you want. You're not getting what you get
Speaker 1: when you take out getting a vacuum sealed thing. They
Speaker 1: just lived in a barn and like stood in one
Speaker 1: area for oh, not necessarily. I mean, I mean we
Speaker 1: grew chickens that basically just ran around our yard. And
Speaker 1: when you roast that chicken, man, it's a different animal.
Speaker 1: It's just been domesticated over you know, over time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's greasy and buttery, and it's been genetically bread
Speaker 1: to be delicious. Exactly whereas the turkeys that were hunting,
Speaker 1: the elk that we're hunting, the deer that were hunting,
Speaker 1: even though they do so happen to be delicious, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They weren't bread to be delicious. And they just are delicious.
Speaker 1: That not even if you put like little bowls of
Speaker 1: butter and garlic out in the field that they'd come
Speaker 1: and eat, or maybe even in your backyard, would you
Speaker 1: ever feed them butter or anything like that. They eat scraps,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm sure there's some butter in there.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's lookingna be like the fucking dumb question. All right,
Speaker 1: Well we'll go back to here's mine. Everybody has said
Speaker 1: it in this room, Like there's the red meat thing
Speaker 1: we're all dialed in on if you kill an elk,
Speaker 1: you have a family of four, Correctly, you've got a
Speaker 1: family of four. I've got a family of three, and
Speaker 1: you just live in a bus. It takes more than
Speaker 1: one elk, more than one elk right in my house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, it's like an elk, an elk and two
Speaker 1: or three deer is so much that you can give
Speaker 1: a lot of way to the people that you care
Speaker 1: to share that with and get them excited about it
Speaker 1: and still be well in hand with last season, and
Speaker 1: an elk and two deer was enough for me to
Speaker 1: be generous, not not overtly generous, but generous and still
Speaker 1: feed my family. But I'm down to my like last
Speaker 1: ten pounds of me. Then you're starting to get nervous
Speaker 1: around July. Yeah, I gave too much. I'm out here shooting.
Speaker 1: I need to I need to be I need to
Speaker 1: be ready to harvest when the chance comes. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: if that happened to me every year, we're late July,
Speaker 1: I was kind of running out. That's you know, it's
Speaker 1: a good place to Yeah, And the reality is, because
Speaker 1: I've been I've been in three years of plenty. Um
Speaker 1: if I run out. I got hunting buddies who haven't
Speaker 1: you know, And and there's a community sense in that aspect.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh wow, yeah, you're right when you shot
Speaker 1: those two elk that one year and you gave me
Speaker 1: a bunch that was good. I got a lot. You
Speaker 1: can always go to Remy's house. He's probably, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: talking to me about that guy, like I'd like to
Speaker 1: have some bongo and a little bit of tar beating,
Speaker 1: like a couple of freezers from that. Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: know plenty of people that aren't getting through everything that
Speaker 1: they're killing now. No, not at all. I would put
Speaker 1: myself in that. This is kind of you start to
Speaker 1: you understand, Like, man, we eat a lot of backstripping
Speaker 1: tendeling around my house. It's a first world meeting and
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. Um. But for the turkey part,
Speaker 1: like my wife, about two years ago, my wife started
Speaker 1: saying to me, I started getting frustrated with the chicken
Speaker 1: we were running because my fault was like, let's buy
Speaker 1: chickens and salter and or figure something out. And she
Speaker 1: just said, I don't want to eat red meat all
Speaker 1: the time. I want other options. Um. And I was
Speaker 1: frustrated with the night tratee turkey meat we were eating
Speaker 1: and the pretty chick in that we were buying. And
Speaker 1: of course over that time we've shifted up those types
Speaker 1: of habits to make sure ship is organic and a
Speaker 1: little more comfortable with that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like that doesn't jive with my the way that
Speaker 1: I want to live my life, the way that I
Speaker 1: want to eat my meat. And so it feels like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a fallacy to be like, I'm
Speaker 1: a wild game guy, you know, eat with your killed
Speaker 1: type thing. But then when it comes to white meater,
Speaker 1: like I'll buy a chicken here, They're just to make
Speaker 1: sure we have a little variety, and so we I
Speaker 1: try to sit down and think about how many turkeys
Speaker 1: I would have to shoot to eliminate the chicken that
Speaker 1: we bought. Now, I also put for point empstence, I
Speaker 1: put in there like doves and pheasants and or quail
Speaker 1: in Texas, like how much of that do I need
Speaker 1: to have to make sure that we don't have this
Speaker 1: first world problem, but a problem nonetheless for the lifestyle
Speaker 1: that we want. And I came up with ten turkeys, legs, breast,
Speaker 1: the entire thing for a year would get my family,
Speaker 1: there's three of us, get us through without having to
Speaker 1: buy any chicken or any lunch meat or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So that's my mission. And now that's been two years ago.
Speaker 1: And then at that time of my goal of killing
Speaker 1: twenty turkeys, I've killed I think eight of them, but
Speaker 1: I still have that goal every damn year to kill
Speaker 1: ten turkeys. How did you come up with the number?
Speaker 1: I looked at how much yield you get from turkey breast,
Speaker 1: and how much if I cook a full turkey breast,
Speaker 1: is I put on the trigger and smoke or whatever,
Speaker 1: how much we can get from that. So we generally
Speaker 1: would get just from that, just just kind of medallion
Speaker 1: roasted turkey. We could generally get one dinner and about
Speaker 1: three or four or five lunches from one breast, depending
Speaker 1: on what we were doing. And so then you're looking
Speaker 1: at two breast off one turkey is going to get
Speaker 1: you through generally two weeks of of living. And tried
Speaker 1: to say, if we meet our consumption of white meat,
Speaker 1: then we would eventually get to the fact where we
Speaker 1: got twenty breast, twenty legs, and we can get through
Speaker 1: any needs we have generally for one ends up being
Speaker 1: about ten months a time before you can refresh and
Speaker 1: get get back to it. That's it's all just guesswork.
Speaker 1: But from killing like three or four turkeys a year,
Speaker 1: that's like a breast every three weeks least somewhere seems good.
Speaker 1: It's like just under a whole turkey a month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. And because a lot of states Montana
Speaker 1: we were talking about, you can kill five turkeys if
Speaker 1: you get real real Western and in Texas you can
Speaker 1: kill four if you just buy a license, and a
Speaker 1: lot of states South Dakota you can kill two Miriam's Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: you can kill two? Yes you can. Can you kill
Speaker 1: two and then go to the Black Hields and kill
Speaker 1: another one? Or is it no? You can? Well, yes
Speaker 1: you can. You can buy leftover tags even as non residents.
Speaker 1: You can get more than more than two tags. But um,
Speaker 1: if you're just doing it like right off, like if
Speaker 1: you just want to buy two over the counter tags,
Speaker 1: you can get a state wide archery and a Black
Speaker 1: Hills shotgun tag. So you do it. And then Montana,
Speaker 1: what's it looked like? Yeah, four regions where you can
Speaker 1: get a specific region specific turkey tag and then um,
Speaker 1: I think there's two regions where you have to use
Speaker 1: your statewide tag. Um, but so basically five times per spring. Yeah, Texas,
Speaker 1: you buy non resident license, you can kill four turkeys
Speaker 1: and there's no I don't think there you can go.
Speaker 1: You can have your entire take in one day, I think.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you say you're living in Montana
Speaker 1: or living somewhere out west, You've got a bunch of
Speaker 1: drivable states to the point where you can get to
Speaker 1: ten if you work at it pretty hard. The way
Speaker 1: that season goes, Yeah, there's only more and more turkeys everywhere,
Speaker 1: it seems like, so it should get just easier. Healthy population,
Speaker 1: healthy population. David, is this convincing you full on to
Speaker 1: go turkey? I think I gotta experience at first hand
Speaker 1: first and and and think it's as cool as you
Speaker 1: guys do. We're invited. Yeah, I'm I think I mentioned
Speaker 1: at the beginning. I'm I'm an opportunist. I'll hunt anything
Speaker 1: at any time with any weapon. I mean, my preferred
Speaker 1: thing to hunt is big game with a but I'll
Speaker 1: absolutely hunt turkeys. Sure sounds cool. If I convince you
Speaker 1: any to go, I'll come along. Yeah, let's go with
Speaker 1: me so much as I can on you can tend
Speaker 1: do we do? We need to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about like archery hunting turkeys versus Oh yes this is something.
Speaker 1: So here here's here's my layman's h perspective. I'm adding
Speaker 1: to the conversation. Uh, I notice that most people hunt
Speaker 1: turkeys with shotguns anyways, even people who are die hard
Speaker 1: archery fans who would only some guys who are like, no, man,
Speaker 1: I only hunt with a bow. I do not hunt
Speaker 1: with a gun. We'll still hunt turkeys with a shotgun.
Speaker 1: Why is that? That doesn't make sense to me as
Speaker 1: about hunter? Okay, as a guy, I would call myself
Speaker 1: a bow hunter, but I will never again my life
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys with a bow. Because people getting right into
Speaker 1: the addresses that don't exist at some level, she'd right
Speaker 1: in and tell me, like, where there's archery. I'm sure
Speaker 1: in this country there are archery only turkey seasons at
Speaker 1: some level. I'm I'm positive of that, but that is
Speaker 1: not the norm in anyway. And so most times you're choosing,
Speaker 1: unlike with an elk or there's you're choosing the less
Speaker 1: effective tool for whatever reason. And I'm telling it's less effective.
Speaker 1: And I'll argue that with anybody for the point of
Speaker 1: imagine if you put a you know, a candle up
Speaker 1: on a string and you were it was walking around,
Speaker 1: you're trying to shoot with a belt. That's hard enough.
Speaker 1: But we do that as archers. We do it. But
Speaker 1: imagine now if you covered that in feathers and wings
Speaker 1: and a tail fan that move and oscillate and adjust
Speaker 1: as it comes into struct and out of strut. And
Speaker 1: now those vitals are kind of they're not moving around
Speaker 1: its body, but from your advantage point, that turkey's body
Speaker 1: is adjusting and moving and becoming a different size or
Speaker 1: at least a different silhouette. That's the problem with turkeys
Speaker 1: because you and be aiming for the wing butt if
Speaker 1: it's or the base of the beard with a broadhead,
Speaker 1: and if that turkey goes into struct and then out
Speaker 1: of struct you're aiming point becomes different. And I've I've
Speaker 1: watched some of the better archers that I know of
Speaker 1: put tendering turkeys and watch them flying to a tree
Speaker 1: with a luminoc and sit there all night and be
Speaker 1: down the next day. So given that fact that I've seen,
Speaker 1: like there's no way that you can say I kill
Speaker 1: every turkey guy shoot out with a bow because I'm
Speaker 1: the best that archery like that. There's just too many variables.
Speaker 1: It's just not effective enough. But then also to add
Speaker 1: to the point we're talking about eating turkey meat, you
Speaker 1: are shooting it at some level ones broadside, right through
Speaker 1: the meat that you want to eat, and when you
Speaker 1: shoot it with a shotgun, you're shooting its face off.
Speaker 1: And I've never eaten a turkey face in my life,
Speaker 1: and so it's just at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I was like, there's almost no reason you can tell
Speaker 1: me that if you couldn't pick up a shotgun, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: And I would also argue on the third point, you
Speaker 1: can tell me if people tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: But hunting with a shotgun you're able to move around
Speaker 1: more and run and gun as they call it, call
Speaker 1: a turkey in and move as it moves, as opposed
Speaker 1: to popping up a blind, sitting in and putting out
Speaker 1: a deco and waiting for it to walk in. Because
Speaker 1: withdrawing your bow you need concealment. Pop up blind or
Speaker 1: a stationary blind allows you to just sit there and
Speaker 1: draw relatively in undercover, whereas if you're just sitting against
Speaker 1: a tree, you gotta draw out in the open. Turkeys
Speaker 1: have historically amazing eyesight. So for all those reasons, I
Speaker 1: don't see myself ever picking up a bow and pointing
Speaker 1: out a turkey. Yeahny am, I yeah, you spot on.
Speaker 1: I feel like to like the the again, the playing
Speaker 1: field I like talk about like where I'm happy with
Speaker 1: the challenge of it all right, because the big reason
Speaker 1: I hunt, right, adventure challenge. I'm not just out there
Speaker 1: to put some meat my freezer, but like it's hard
Speaker 1: enough with the shotgun, right, and the distances they're pretty similar.
Speaker 1: Most guys will won't shoot past forty yards with a
Speaker 1: shotgun at a turkey, right, So you still got to
Speaker 1: get them close, you know, bo might need to be
Speaker 1: a little bit closer. But I feel like you've kind
Speaker 1: of executed all the fun stuff, you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: this or this at that last moment. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think in quite honestly, And there's some people that are
Speaker 1: my friends layer and be like, you know, fuck you.
Speaker 1: But we've got to this point where I like, I'm
Speaker 1: only an archery hunter or my brand or my thing
Speaker 1: that I do is archery only all the time, and
Speaker 1: that's what I am. That's why I am. So I
Speaker 1: can't be seen with a gun or it seem it
Speaker 1: would be like cheating or whatever. You'll lose your steas
Speaker 1: man hashtags. We're looking for a hashtag still twenty episodes
Speaker 1: into the podcast and maybe that could be it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're losing your steas man in and it's just I
Speaker 1: think that's why there you you You look around nowadays
Speaker 1: and turkey hunting and there's a lot of people using bows,
Speaker 1: and again, people can correct me if I'm wrong. At
Speaker 1: the same time that you release that arrow, you could
Speaker 1: be releasing a payload of pellets that will that will
Speaker 1: destroy that thing's face and drop it and flop it.
Speaker 1: Rather haven't run away with an arrow sticking out of it.
Speaker 1: And so there's ethics, there's morality. There's just like remove
Speaker 1: your own personal preference and put yourself in a place
Speaker 1: at turkey. I'm much radity get shot in the face,
Speaker 1: then I have to suffer with a freaking you know,
Speaker 1: tom bomb and my But here's the only other point
Speaker 1: to make. There's a lot of guys that shoots the
Speaker 1: gobbler guillotine or or these these broadhead Magnus bullhead or
Speaker 1: anything like that, that broadheads that are designed to lop
Speaker 1: the turkey's head off fully, which is a pretty gruesome
Speaker 1: activity to do. But for most of the time you
Speaker 1: either are gonna miss completely or you're gonna so there's
Speaker 1: its head off. There's the example of where I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I put my my gobbler guillotine with its what are
Speaker 1: the cutting diamonds, one of those things, so you have
Speaker 1: well on the guillotine, I think there's four blades, and
Speaker 1: so you have four or three inch blades, and so
Speaker 1: you actually have six inches square kind of yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you actually have a larger like kill zone because,
Speaker 1: like I say, if you're aiming at the head, you
Speaker 1: can miss two and a half inches either side of
Speaker 1: the head, and so you've got a whatever, a seven
Speaker 1: inch target at that point instead of trying to hit
Speaker 1: you know, a golf ball at the center of the
Speaker 1: body for the vitals and anybody's experience you on it.
Speaker 1: You're saying, guys that are using archie tackle are shooting
Speaker 1: heads or bodies? Like what's percentage? I don't know. Not
Speaker 1: a lot of people shooting heads off. So I've done both.
Speaker 1: And the reason I like to not like to archer
Speaker 1: on turkeys, but the reason my archer hunt turkeys because
Speaker 1: it allows me to get more turkey texts. So in
Speaker 1: like in St. Nebraska, the first I think it's the
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season you can and it's
Speaker 1: really a lot of times it's too early to barbet
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. They're not really fired up, they're not getting
Speaker 1: after it. But you can start hunting late March, and
Speaker 1: if you're in the Midwest, it's a it's a spot
Speaker 1: to go and you can start turkey hunting and it's
Speaker 1: just with a bow, and so it does keep a
Speaker 1: fair amount of people out of the bottle woods, which
Speaker 1: is kind of fun. It's a little bit more peaceful.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, in my I've filmed a
Speaker 1: few turkey hunts and I've been on a bunch of
Speaker 1: turkey hunts, and average percentage with a bow without using
Speaker 1: like the guillotine is about fifty fifty. As far as
Speaker 1: like birds shot two birds recovered. Are we talking a
Speaker 1: bird shot the birds wounded or birds like birds hit
Speaker 1: and recovered. You never find or die like right there,
Speaker 1: that's too much. It's way too much. That's not a
Speaker 1: good percentage. But then uh, I've had some people that
Speaker 1: hunt with me that have switched to the you know,
Speaker 1: the guillotine of the Magnus bullhead, and you put your
Speaker 1: decoys at six or seven yards and so you're not
Speaker 1: worried about arrow flight, and that's a much higher percentage.
Speaker 1: Especially I mean if it's hit, yeah, and if it's missed,
Speaker 1: it's missed. You chop a feather off here there or whatever.
Speaker 1: And in that case, you're not putting an arrow through
Speaker 1: its wing button, it's breast and then you pull his
Speaker 1: breast down, it's got a hole, you know jam hole
Speaker 1: right in the front and in the middle of it
Speaker 1: that you can't eat. Yeah, I think I have a
Speaker 1: again from the layman's perspective on turkeys, but um, in
Speaker 1: the sense of hunting birds with a bow, I've I've
Speaker 1: actually had some very similar experiences because I shoot a lot.
Speaker 1: I like to hunt quail with my bow, um, and
Speaker 1: I've hunted some geese with my bow, and I've had
Speaker 1: the same experience where occasionally I would pass an arrow
Speaker 1: right through what I would consider the boiler room on
Speaker 1: a goose or a quail or um a chucker or
Speaker 1: a pheasant and have them fly off and you know
Speaker 1: you killed. You know that that that that birds can
Speaker 1: be dead, but you don't get to recover it, you know,
Speaker 1: because because like you said, the vitals move around. So
Speaker 1: I've actually switched when I'm when I'm hunting small bird,
Speaker 1: you know, small game birds with my bow, I should
Speaker 1: I shoot for the head because that for the same
Speaker 1: reason you're talking about with the guillotine and the guillotine
Speaker 1: stuff is uh, if I if I miss a miss
Speaker 1: and I didn't hurt the animal, but if I if
Speaker 1: I do hit it, then it's it's it's done. It's
Speaker 1: it's game over. Yeah. I think that spins off well
Speaker 1: to something that we all experience here until Archery Challenge. Now,
Speaker 1: so we're you know, Big Sky Resort and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of country here. There's a wide open country. It
Speaker 1: was if you're hunting elkin here, this is this is it.
Speaker 1: This is a good Western elk, bear, meal, deer, whatever country.
Speaker 1: There's courses at the Total Archery Challenge where a lot
Speaker 1: of your shots are as we were saying earlier, shots
Speaker 1: that you likely wouldn't take or be moan to take,
Speaker 1: you know, last day type of shots where you're like,
Speaker 1: I think I can do it, but I wouldn't take
Speaker 1: this one day one or two of a hunt. Um,
Speaker 1: what you know, I'd like to hear everybody talk about
Speaker 1: this is an archery it's not an archery tournament. Nobody
Speaker 1: gets scored, it's not it's not marketed as practice for
Speaker 1: hunting in any way. But in all of us, are
Speaker 1: you know, wearing our hunting boots, were wearing our hunting packs,
Speaker 1: were shooting the same dambo we'd be shooting in an
Speaker 1: animal And to to be practicing or to be you know,
Speaker 1: having fun with shots that we know we wouldn't take
Speaker 1: in the field. Ah, yanni, start and tell and just
Speaker 1: talk about like is that the right way to go?
Speaker 1: Is that setting expectations for hunters that come to these
Speaker 1: deals that yes, you should be proficient in a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty eight yards on it on a der or
Speaker 1: something like that at some of these shots are I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something to talk about because think it's an issue
Speaker 1: that it's important. Yeah, for sure, Um, we shot today right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we felt like three or four where we're
Speaker 1: definitely way like no matter what whatever, even if even
Speaker 1: if it was elk, I had already hit, and I
Speaker 1: was gonna go for a follow up shot. I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't win one at I'd probably be trying to get
Speaker 1: closer before I let one fly at closer or not shoot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well, yeah, But I'm talking about the reason I
Speaker 1: do even have a tape that goes to nine two
Speaker 1: or whatever it is now is that if my first
Speaker 1: shot have a good about it is, once an arrows
Speaker 1: in him, I'm gonna try to get as many arrows
Speaker 1: I can if he's still standing right. And so that's
Speaker 1: really what I'm always thinking when I'm sitting there at
Speaker 1: home practicing at eighty, like, why am I doing this? Well?
Speaker 1: Shoot at eight? He definitely makes forty yard shots a
Speaker 1: lot easier. But it almost happened me last year stuck
Speaker 1: one at forty was still on his feet at somewhere
Speaker 1: out there, but the timber was just too thick and
Speaker 1: I couldn't really slide one in there. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's good practice for hunting. I
Speaker 1: like these like real situations at home. I try to
Speaker 1: set my targets is as real as I can um
Speaker 1: because there are shots that are downhill uphill through lodgeball
Speaker 1: timber there, you know, through a bunch of the young
Speaker 1: pines that you're trying to shoot around the corners. That
Speaker 1: that's all real, real stuff, and you see things that
Speaker 1: you might not see just shooting level ground at home,
Speaker 1: like the one thing that we kept saying we'd shoot
Speaker 1: like across the ski run and you guys, we all
Speaker 1: have this shot the same course today, right, and a
Speaker 1: couple of shots. I'd set up and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just feel so good now look at my bubble
Speaker 1: and be like, holy cow, how can I be so cantid?
Speaker 1: And just you're looking at the ski you're standing, you
Speaker 1: see the angle of ski run under your bow, and
Speaker 1: you start to can't, can't, can't get that bubble center again,
Speaker 1: and you really can't believe how torqu do you feel?
Speaker 1: Almost you know, to get your bow straight. So that
Speaker 1: I noticed that my whether it's psychological, psychological or or what,
Speaker 1: I noticed that my shots fell down the hill when
Speaker 1: we were shooting across the slope. I never shot into
Speaker 1: the loope. I always would, and I'm sure that was
Speaker 1: a bubble issue where because I always my part of
Speaker 1: my processes I draw back and make sure I'm level
Speaker 1: but but the time between making sure your level, when
Speaker 1: you're focusing on that bubble and when you're actually really
Speaker 1: focusing on the pin and where it is U you
Speaker 1: can still slide back out a level. And I think
Speaker 1: that that must have been what was happening, because I
Speaker 1: had a lot of shots that were just a little
Speaker 1: bit more either left or right going down the hill
Speaker 1: than I expected them to be. Yeah, I think maybe
Speaker 1: at some point when you're shooting in a hundred twenty
Speaker 1: two yard what was that an antelope of some kind?
Speaker 1: It was an African like? It was like as it
Speaker 1: was a small it was a small bodied deer animal
Speaker 1: and it's five yards. I would prefer to have them
Speaker 1: all closer. I am gonna go home. I do my house,
Speaker 1: want to someday have whatever out to as far as
Speaker 1: my boat can shoot until my site maxes out again,
Speaker 1: just because I feel like if you practice a bunch
Speaker 1: at one twenty, all of a sudden, seventy, it starts
Speaker 1: to become like a three pointer. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: what I think. That's what Ben's trying to get into
Speaker 1: is is are we are we spending too much time
Speaker 1: shooting long and creating unrealistic um comfortability with long shots,
Speaker 1: because the reality is, as a Western hunter, I've only
Speaker 1: ever hunted open country spot stock and having shot a
Speaker 1: lot of shots at a hundred yards. When I have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to a hundred yards and I know I
Speaker 1: can't get closer, gosh, I'm tempted. Sometimes you start thinking
Speaker 1: about it. I started thinking about it. I think it
Speaker 1: also comes down to influence, though, like there's some level
Speaker 1: of influence that that that maybe we don't even understand.
Speaker 1: One how we influence other people, you know, have if
Speaker 1: we start normalizing these types of shots, and then people
Speaker 1: that are coming up are like, hey, I'm I'm following
Speaker 1: these folks and learning from them, and this is what
Speaker 1: how they do it? Well, this must be the way.
Speaker 1: You know, if I go Western hunting, I better be
Speaker 1: dialed into eight yards. You're like, wait a minute, No,
Speaker 1: you don't start thinking like that. Um, so that's one
Speaker 1: problem that's problematic. But so to argue against my own point,
Speaker 1: I think we all figured out after shooting that hundred
Speaker 1: twenty five yard target, we don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it. So it's nice in person there
Speaker 1: tangibly to say I'm not doing that like, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I would if I practiced for about a decade, But
Speaker 1: at this point I'm more likely to hit grass and
Speaker 1: skip and hit it in the leg than than eightywhere
Speaker 1: near it. It's quite the rabbit hole because really at
Speaker 1: a hundred yards, I mean, those arrows take a long
Speaker 1: time that animal and then you started, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about you know, the animal moving, the wind picks up
Speaker 1: while you're arrows in the air, all kinds of variable.
Speaker 1: Even just a single step by an animal, you know,
Speaker 1: changes the where your impact is by two to three feet.
Speaker 1: So I think the one I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: fun event. You know, it's for it's people to come
Speaker 1: out and you get to see that magical flight of
Speaker 1: the arrow, you know, going that far um. You know,
Speaker 1: if you came out and you shot twenty five targets
Speaker 1: in the first one, it was like forty yards. You
Speaker 1: try to figure out why you're hiking around the mountains
Speaker 1: shooting forty yards. But I think the one thing it
Speaker 1: does do is when you start to stretch out your
Speaker 1: shots with a bow, it amplifies all your imperfections in
Speaker 1: your form. And so if you say at twenty yards
Speaker 1: you've got a grouping, you know, two to three in grouping,
Speaker 1: and you're feeling pretty good about that. Well, when you
Speaker 1: move out to seventy yards, you know you might be
Speaker 1: barely hitting the target. And so it forces you to
Speaker 1: look at how you're shooting and be more consistent in
Speaker 1: your shots. And I think everybody needs to, you know,
Speaker 1: really take a good look at themselves and figure out
Speaker 1: what their effective ranges in the field. And it most
Speaker 1: likely shouldn't be you know, over sixty yards or whatever
Speaker 1: it might be for you. But I think shooting those
Speaker 1: long distances, like Yanni was saying, is if you become
Speaker 1: proficient at shooting a hundred yards, that sixty seventy yards
Speaker 1: shot feels much more, not a chip shot, but much easier.
Speaker 1: That target looks so much bigger at seventy than it
Speaker 1: did before when you were only practicing. Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 1: perspective is huge if you, yeah, anybody listening to this,
Speaker 1: go shoot at eighty yards for a week and then
Speaker 1: start at twenty what So this is simple? Yeah? I read, Uh,
Speaker 1: here's a little insight that I picked up from a
Speaker 1: from a non archery perspective about how to shoot better. Um,
Speaker 1: I read a psyche as a book on psychology. It
Speaker 1: was a sports psychology book, and um, somebody was actually
Speaker 1: talking about sniper training in there, and he was saying, uh,
Speaker 1: he would train he was a sniper training instructor, and
Speaker 1: he would train them to shoot. Uh. They would practice
Speaker 1: at only two different yardages or two different distances super
Speaker 1: super super far, like the absolute limit of how far
Speaker 1: you can shoot, and very close, because the very close
Speaker 1: shots trained the mind a different type confidence. Like all
Speaker 1: four of us after having shot today at you know,
Speaker 1: I think the average range was probably seventy five yards,
Speaker 1: between between six and seventy five yards. Uh, that's what
Speaker 1: was That was the average we shot today. I think
Speaker 1: after shooting that all day, if we went out and
Speaker 1: shot uh three D targets to thirty five yards, we
Speaker 1: would just feel light out. And so those short shots, though,
Speaker 1: really train your mind to be confident that you're gonna
Speaker 1: hit what you're gonna hit when you shoot. And so uh,
Speaker 1: this psychologists argument was you should practice the hardest thing
Speaker 1: for you and then build confidence with the easiest thing
Speaker 1: for you. So that's how I practice with my bow
Speaker 1: and I'm getting ready for hunting season. I I practice
Speaker 1: at a hundred yards, which is which is how far
Speaker 1: my range goes. At my house. I practice there more
Speaker 1: often than anything else. That's where I'm like, because I
Speaker 1: feel like if I can hit something in a hundred yards,
Speaker 1: then I can fort sure hit it at sixty. But
Speaker 1: I also almost always end the day with a nice
Speaker 1: round of five arrows at twenty yards, and I'm just like, yeah, smack,
Speaker 1: good day on the range, And yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: nice about that because I do the same thing. I
Speaker 1: have a bag target that a buddy bill for me, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, man, dude, you gotta try this out.
Speaker 1: I mean we literally out of my house is under
Speaker 1: construction right now. There's some kind of a polly like
Speaker 1: a woven bag, and we had a bunch of leftover
Speaker 1: vis queen that was getting ripped up and it wasn't
Speaker 1: doing this job anymore. So we sat there two or
Speaker 1: three guys holding the bag and another dude jumping on
Speaker 1: top of the vis queen to fill it up, tied
Speaker 1: it off, spray painted elk on there, and out of
Speaker 1: my compound of twenty yards, it's just probably like ten
Speaker 1: and twelve inches of penetration. It's unreal for I like
Speaker 1: made out of trash. Anyways, back to uh twenty yards
Speaker 1: last shot. Yeah, it's so nice because it's just all form.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're not even thinking about aiming anymore, and
Speaker 1: you just thinking about a nice, clean release. And because
Speaker 1: even practicing at a hundred yards holding steady at twenty
Speaker 1: just feels like just that goes back to archery as
Speaker 1: a mental game. And know, well, the reason I want
Speaker 1: to talk through this because I wasn't really sure where
Speaker 1: the hell I stood on and I'm like, I can
Speaker 1: see somebody coming here and never having shot long distance,
Speaker 1: and be like, why I must I have to do
Speaker 1: this now? Um on game? And so maybe there's a
Speaker 1: rule where we say, like, if it's past eighty yard,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a block target. God damn, it
Speaker 1: can't be some you know fa similar some to me,
Speaker 1: I guess real quick, I forget to me, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't mind shooting as far as we can all shoot,
Speaker 1: but to me, this isn't the place for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I would just instead of having those one twenties
Speaker 1: out here, I'd rather have it, you know, mix it
Speaker 1: up and give me another eight and a fifteen, a
Speaker 1: thirty good point and just something that I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, like just just what
Speaker 1: are we doing right? Because when you're training, you understood,
Speaker 1: you have an understanding everyone. You know all everybody's sitting
Speaker 1: here like I'm training. I know what I'm doing, Like
Speaker 1: this is my process. When you get out here, you're
Speaker 1: just like, I'm having fun, but you're not really realizing
Speaker 1: the influence it might have on on what you might
Speaker 1: do in the yield, because you're not you as you
Speaker 1: think about things. You're having fun. I'll take it. I'll
Speaker 1: take a crack at her. And if that, I'll take
Speaker 1: a crack out of mentality gets shifted into the woods.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that, and so that's that's slides down with
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks. I have a I have a
Speaker 1: thing I want to interject before we move on to
Speaker 1: some other topic um that I think it relates well
Speaker 1: compared to how I trained for skiing, and it's the
Speaker 1: idea that I I always trained for the absolute worst
Speaker 1: case scenario. I always I would rather my goal at
Speaker 1: the end of Uh. You know this, actually, right now
Speaker 1: is a perfect time to describe. Right now, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm in the off season, I'm not competing, and the
Speaker 1: next contest I have is in December, so I have
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time to really work on fitness
Speaker 1: and strength, and um, a lot of what I'm doing
Speaker 1: anymore is training my nervous system just as much as
Speaker 1: my muscles. So uh, it doesn't do me a lot
Speaker 1: of good just to be this wrong stude out there.
Speaker 1: I have to both be strong and extremely quick and explosive,
Speaker 1: so um, A lot of the things that I do
Speaker 1: are all jumping oriented. So I will train in a
Speaker 1: way that I'm trying to actually do more. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be more powerful than I would ever need to be.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have better balance than I would ever
Speaker 1: need to actually have in the half pipe, because you're
Speaker 1: only you're you're training for worst case scenario. I'm training
Speaker 1: for those bad landings. The reality is the good landings
Speaker 1: I don't need to try. I don't need to spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the gym for those because,
Speaker 1: especially in a half pipe, if I land high at
Speaker 1: the top of the wall, then the g forces aren't
Speaker 1: that high because because I'm catching the transition perfectly, So
Speaker 1: those good landings don't need the training as much as
Speaker 1: the bad landings do. So I'm always training for I'm
Speaker 1: training the fringe. I talked a lot to kids I
Speaker 1: mentor about training the fringe. Pick what you're not good
Speaker 1: at and just train it until you're good at it again.
Speaker 1: And even the things that you're good at them to
Speaker 1: uh where you're all where you're uncomfortable and and and
Speaker 1: know that you're uncomfortable with those things. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that you should do those things that you've just
Speaker 1: been training in competition, because you don't. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, when I'm crafting a run and I'm
Speaker 1: going to do in a big contest like the X
Speaker 1: Games of the Olympics, I'm always choosing a run that
Speaker 1: I know I can pull off. It's not something that's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of tricks that I can pull off
Speaker 1: in this one right, here's a hail Mary. I'm never
Speaker 1: doing that. It's always calculated, and that's how I feel
Speaker 1: about what we're doing out here hunting wise. I kind
Speaker 1: of agree with you, Joannie where I think it's maybe
Speaker 1: maybe the averages have got because it's a total archery
Speaker 1: challenge and it's like, oh, we gotta make it a challenge.
Speaker 1: Maybe the averages have gotten a little too crazy, and
Speaker 1: there's a little bit, there's a few there's a few
Speaker 1: too few shots that I would practically take as a hunter.
Speaker 1: I would like to see a few more of those.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't mind taking those weird shots that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: that are that are the fringe of what I'm capable of,
Speaker 1: because I'm training the fringe. Um, I think we should
Speaker 1: talk about our scoring system because that is what that
Speaker 1: would go go all the way back. That's Remy's scoring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Remy and I came up with that scoring system when
Speaker 1: we first started shooting these totally our total, our three
Speaker 1: challenges together. And it's a good way of keeping yourself
Speaker 1: in it because you talked about how uh you kind
Speaker 1: of get out there and after you've lost like three arrows,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, I don't know, I ran
Speaker 1: out of fox to give a while ago, you know,
Speaker 1: and you just start you just start drawing back and
Speaker 1: flinging arrows, and you don't stay very mentally in tune
Speaker 1: to it. So Remy and I came up with this
Speaker 1: system we call kill Wound miss, and it's just a
Speaker 1: scoring system rather than scoring the rings on the all
Speaker 1: these most of these are Rhinehart targets, so rather than
Speaker 1: scoring the ten twelve or twelve ten eight five scoring format,
Speaker 1: we just kill it. We just score it as if
Speaker 1: you kill it you get a point, and if you
Speaker 1: wound it you get a negative point. An outright misses
Speaker 1: zero because we were trying to relate it as closely
Speaker 1: as we possibly could to actual hunting situations where I
Speaker 1: kill as a thing, A wound is absolutely the worst
Speaker 1: thing that we want, and a miss is actually not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, you know. I think every
Speaker 1: archer in the world would rather miss a deer than wounded.
Speaker 1: So we we came up with this system, and we
Speaker 1: all obviously, as we're all competitive dudes, we once we
Speaker 1: came up with a system, then we started. Then then
Speaker 1: came the wagers. So it's for us because we're shooting.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's super challenging. It's got more shots in
Speaker 1: it than I would ever take in a hunting situation. Uh,
Speaker 1: but the scoring helps keep me focused. Because Sam and
Speaker 1: I were going back and forth today. We both shot
Speaker 1: really good the first couple of targets, and then we
Speaker 1: both got on the struggle train. And we struggled to
Speaker 1: get off the struggle train towards the end and uh,
Speaker 1: but it was just fun because it was like, Okay, no,
Speaker 1: it's every shot, it's a new shot, and and I'm
Speaker 1: still getting of some kind of a point for this.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a really good way to
Speaker 1: score a three D archery. Uh, target shoot because it
Speaker 1: teaches you also to just shoot for the shape of
Speaker 1: the animal rather than trying to figure out where the
Speaker 1: hit a circle or whatever. So what do you score today?
Speaker 1: Targets five? I I wounded? You got a Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is freaking high. I scored in eleven today. I got
Speaker 1: a fucking one. Four. We had a guy in a
Speaker 1: group scored twenty yeah on the prime course. On the
Speaker 1: Prime course. So did he wound any He wanted to
Speaker 1: wounded too. Actually hit twenty two in the vital so
Speaker 1: he wounded to missed one? Yeah, yeah he was. He nearly.
Speaker 1: Mike Collins works for Prime He is he nearly. He
Speaker 1: nearly cleaned it because he cleaned that course. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: one the one that he missed, he just forgot to
Speaker 1: change the slidder and he shot like a hundred yards
Speaker 1: over a turkey. He didn't have a Yanni sticker on
Speaker 1: his bow. I'll sign him one. Yeah, you were talking
Speaker 1: about selling these sticks and custom megan one real quick tonight.
Speaker 1: It's a piece of orange gave tape. This is returned
Speaker 1: to zero. Yeah, that's just like the game. I said.
Speaker 1: We're so, what's terrible archers? We're like, we're just trying
Speaker 1: to return to zero target, trying to get back and
Speaker 1: down positive. That's I mean, I think of the best
Speaker 1: in our group. There was twelve people shoot in our group,
Speaker 1: and I think the best was nine. Like that shot
Speaker 1: in eleven and I got fifth. What Yeah, we had, dude,
Speaker 1: I've shot this this well we shot system. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: just got this short scoring system. Maybe eight or so
Speaker 1: rounds and I don't I don't think. Yeah, double digits
Speaker 1: is rare. We had Mike coins one. Did you know
Speaker 1: Corey Jacobson he shot a seventeen? Ye what you shot?
Speaker 1: And then somebody was in between me and you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I laughed because Cory and I, like I said, we're
Speaker 1: competitive dudes. We all go back and forth. We started,
Speaker 1: you know, church in each other's ears and stuff. Corey
Speaker 1: and I started talking, uh and uh. He had one
Speaker 1: target where he was just in the kill zone and
Speaker 1: I was laughing. I was inches out, but you missed
Speaker 1: my inches. They're still a wound. And uh that was
Speaker 1: that was the difference between Corey and I. But it
Speaker 1: was fun because, um, we were I feel like we
Speaker 1: were all actually competent level archers. I mean I can
Speaker 1: can comparable level archers. Uh, Sam and I bowl shot
Speaker 1: the first seven targets clean and and of course and
Speaker 1: I look back on it. This is what I do
Speaker 1: with skiing too. I always look back and I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 1: you're such a dummy. Because as soon as we shot
Speaker 1: the first seven targets clean, my mind, as an arrogant dude,
Speaker 1: was like, I got the first seven, I can get
Speaker 1: the I can get all the rest of them visions.
Speaker 1: You shot the first seven clean, and then both of
Speaker 1: us dropped Target eight. I missed and he wounded it.
Speaker 1: I gotta get back on my course. I'm fired up now.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I get get back. One is
Speaker 1: not enough. I think I wounded enough. That's good, real
Speaker 1: real time, real level training, right or real What am
Speaker 1: I trying to say, um, prices for the real world
Speaker 1: of hunting is is trying to is not letting visions
Speaker 1: of glory or that is such a real thing, and
Speaker 1: I battle it all the time. That Turkey's gollant and
Speaker 1: coming in and like you're talking about you're like you
Speaker 1: can see the freaking turkey nuggets vision. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: taste it. You can taste it. Turkey's done, You're already
Speaker 1: like I can just imagine jumped around the pickup truck.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't get one. Besides this, you know,
Speaker 1: like all that stuff is going through your head where
Speaker 1: you should be just going like I need to kill
Speaker 1: that bird. I need shooting in the head. I need
Speaker 1: shooting in the head. What is this turkey doing? What
Speaker 1: should I do next? What is the absolute what I
Speaker 1: need to I'm don't think I might change my flight
Speaker 1: just so I shoot tomorrow and get back like figure
Speaker 1: this out. I think you should change your flight just
Speaker 1: because Montana is so great. That also, we shot together
Speaker 1: in South Dakota. Nobody was doing that good. The difference
Speaker 1: we shot horribly in South Dakota. That's the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you shoot in South Dakota, Sam, like a negative
Speaker 1: one is terrible. So what the hell? So the day
Speaker 1: before so I'm gonna give this a disclaimer. The day
Speaker 1: before I actually shot very well, but we weren't keeping score.
Speaker 1: We started like a couple of targets that it was
Speaker 1: kind of shot. But I was like, I was just shooting,
Speaker 1: and then the next day I fell apart. So let
Speaker 1: me let me just I don't answer this question today.
Speaker 1: Were you guys super competitive and like all really dialed
Speaker 1: in on on the achievement of the score. Yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: We were all being super competitive from the get go.
Speaker 1: Yanna and I shot in a group of twelve people
Speaker 1: and it was not It was just like half the
Speaker 1: group didn't score. Yeah, So do we feel like that
Speaker 1: could be the difference? That's the difference that like you're
Speaker 1: just thinking, okay, you're dialed in your playing. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think it's my fault. I really do, because I can't
Speaker 1: do things halfway. Man, Like I don't show up and
Speaker 1: not wager. I don't show up and not compete. Like
Speaker 1: even though I suck at golf, I show up to
Speaker 1: golf tournaments and I'm like, man, I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: longest drive. I don't care if it's three fair ways over.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something better than everybody else. So as
Speaker 1: soon as we got on the course. Of course, for
Speaker 1: me as a hunting fan, the reality is I'm stoked
Speaker 1: to be shooting with these folks, and so I want
Speaker 1: to challenge them. I want to kind of I want
Speaker 1: to chirp in there. I want to have them chirp
Speaker 1: back because I think it's fun. So I kind of
Speaker 1: set the tone go back to because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure this out because in my head I'm now the worst. Wait,
Speaker 1: let let me get eight yard target? How many people
Speaker 1: in your how many people are group five? No? We
Speaker 1: had ten today, ten in your group? How many people
Speaker 1: out of that ten hit that target today? Only one? Yesterday?
Speaker 1: Two of us hit it. Okay, that's normal. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna let's get out of the room. Let's do something
Speaker 1: more realistic though. Let's do one that you have a
Speaker 1: site a pin for, because nobody has how about how many?
Speaker 1: How many guys in your group at about the fallow
Speaker 1: the fallow bucks, the one I can remember more as
Speaker 1: the hog that's that was stretching at like nine two yards?
Speaker 1: Target sucks. We are group cleaned up on that. Oh
Speaker 1: you did yeah in the shower, the one in the shadow.
Speaker 1: Our group cleaned up on that. But that's one of
Speaker 1: the ones that I wounded. Like our group struggled with
Speaker 1: that target. But again and again that one where that
Speaker 1: vital was on that one, I got a wound on
Speaker 1: that one. But if you were going to say, like
Speaker 1: where would you shoot to hit him in the heart,
Speaker 1: you'd be like where young erra was right? So well,
Speaker 1: we so you're still shuture reference. We always vote, oh,
Speaker 1: because we don't know. We don't always shoot the insert
Speaker 1: because a lot of these, especially not so much here
Speaker 1: in uh in Big Sky Button in Snowboard where I
Speaker 1: shot where Remy and I came up with this system,
Speaker 1: a lot of the shots were at like thirty degrees uphill,
Speaker 1: and so you shoot the insert at thirty degrees up hill,
Speaker 1: you're actually gonna miss at least one long maybe. So
Speaker 1: we would shoot, like if it was an uphill shot
Speaker 1: at at thirty degrees, we would actually shoot it in
Speaker 1: the in the chest below the insert and call it good.
Speaker 1: But it was always a vote, and it most of
Speaker 1: the time came down to where is the exit wound
Speaker 1: gonna be? So so on that one, you and your
Speaker 1: group could have voted, and if they had voted, if
Speaker 1: they had voted, I yahni got it, then you would
Speaker 1: have got the point still. And that was one difference
Speaker 1: between South Dakota and here, because there were some shots
Speaker 1: in South Dakota that like I ended up getting called
Speaker 1: the wound on because it wasn't in the insert. But
Speaker 1: you know, it would be a ram quartering too at
Speaker 1: fifty yards and you m, it's gonna kill it. Because
Speaker 1: the whole the whole idea was that we didn't have
Speaker 1: to look for the circles because it started actually because
Speaker 1: when we first did this the first time, uh, some
Speaker 1: of the some of the rings were really hard to see.
Speaker 1: And Remy and now we're talking about We're like, this
Speaker 1: is stupid. Why are we shooting the rings anyways, Like,
Speaker 1: let's just aim for where you would on the animal,
Speaker 1: and and Remy was actually kind of giving me some
Speaker 1: pointers because, uh, he thought I was aiming a little
Speaker 1: far back and I was like, no, that's where I've
Speaker 1: always aimed. He's like, no, aim a little bit more forward.
Speaker 1: That's a better pocket. And so then we just got
Speaker 1: into aiming for the shape of the animal, not worrying
Speaker 1: about where the actual insert was. Yeah, I really yeah,
Speaker 1: I really want to get back out there now. I
Speaker 1: think you should stay. I think we you and I
Speaker 1: go out there and start voting on Ya's and A's
Speaker 1: will both be fifteen plus, so you'll suddenly be myself
Speaker 1: and clean the course right now, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: found a couple of your arrows. No, I just found
Speaker 1: one of your arrows. Listen. I was terrible today, terrible,
Speaker 1: maybe the worst I've ever shot, and I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm watching archeres of mind. Fuck Like there were some
Speaker 1: days I got a hundred range in my backyard. I've
Speaker 1: got five six targets. I had a bunch of people
Speaker 1: from Yetie come over and we're just drilling them, drilling them, drilling.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's nothing like this. It's not down. It's
Speaker 1: a freaking yard. But you feel good. You're like, yeah, okay, done,
Speaker 1: and then you get out there and you start failing that.
Speaker 1: Then I hear that you guys are busting eleven and fifteens.
Speaker 1: There's no yeah. Yeah. But the cool thing about the
Speaker 1: cool thing I'll say about archery events like this is
Speaker 1: that brings you to a different level. Because I think everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody is there is the best archer in a certain
Speaker 1: group of people. Right you can just keep you can
Speaker 1: keep dropping the level until at some point you're the
Speaker 1: best archer. And I was stopping and say this, I've
Speaker 1: been in a group's at the Total Archer Challenge last year.
Speaker 1: I was in a couple of groups where it was
Speaker 1: just arrows flying through the trees the entire time. Like,
Speaker 1: so I've also seen the other side of like our
Speaker 1: group today. I'm like, man, that's a really good group.
Speaker 1: Everybody's basically doing what they need to be doing. Like
Speaker 1: there's some variances and stuff like that. My goal was
Speaker 1: just to hit foam. Yeah, if I had pham on
Speaker 1: every single target and I missed three at but yeah,
Speaker 1: every time I had heard of ponk walking, like, uh,
Speaker 1: I got my dad's out here for the event, and
Speaker 1: he's never shot a course like this, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's practiced whatever flat ground back in South Dakota. But
Speaker 1: he I mean, if you're talking about just like slamming foam,
Speaker 1: he cleaned house today. Yeah, I mean there was a
Speaker 1: couple of targets he you know, missed or whatever, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, just asis I'm stressed. But anyways,
Speaker 1: my point earlier was that, uh, it's good to get
Speaker 1: out here. To places like this that bring people who
Speaker 1: are better than you into your interaction. Because I shot
Speaker 1: yesterday and I was I shot the best out of
Speaker 1: the group, and I was like, alright, I'm doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for hunting season. I shot today and I
Speaker 1: got my ass handed to me and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I could still be better. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why the takeaway from me is when you go
Speaker 1: into an event like this, understand what you're doing personally,
Speaker 1: sit down with yourself'll be like, I'm training now, and
Speaker 1: this is how this is going to work with my
Speaker 1: overall training for hunting, because everybody that's using about to
Speaker 1: kill things should train a lot. If you're not, then
Speaker 1: hopefully you come out to something like this and learn
Speaker 1: that you should then go home and train. But come
Speaker 1: into this like, hey, it's a fun shoot, I'm flying
Speaker 1: at him, or this is I'm training. I want to
Speaker 1: this is what I want to achieve. And if you
Speaker 1: do that, then no worries. But if you come into
Speaker 1: this and kind of just walking around shooting arrows and
Speaker 1: not thinking about it and the next thing you know
Speaker 1: it's changing the way you're hunting, then that's problematic sure,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of people do that. There's
Speaker 1: kids that shoot this, there's wives that shoot this. You know,
Speaker 1: there's people that just want to have a fun archer
Speaker 1: day out there shooting this that don't really understand the
Speaker 1: scope of what what's going down. So we we had
Speaker 1: a little roundtable discussion last night for a little video,
Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about um, like this is
Speaker 1: it can be. You can use it as like a
Speaker 1: preseason gear test, so you can wear your booster you're
Speaker 1: gonna wear this season. You know, you got your bowl
Speaker 1: completely dialed in how you think you wanted for hunting season,
Speaker 1: and gives you that opportunity. You can wear the pack
Speaker 1: that you're gonna wear for hunting season. You can wear
Speaker 1: like the you know it's hot, so you can wear
Speaker 1: like the lightweight clothing and you're gonna wear for early season,
Speaker 1: and you can start to kind of put all those
Speaker 1: things together and you know, bust the dust or rustoff
Speaker 1: before season actually hits a month from now. And so
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people use it as an
Speaker 1: opportunity for that to kind of yeah, instead of walking
Speaker 1: an opening day going I don't know my backpacked out
Speaker 1: then like where all my stuff sits you don't you
Speaker 1: know very well, could shoot an elk this fall wearing
Speaker 1: almost the exact same things I had on today. My
Speaker 1: pants would probably be different. But we talked about that
Speaker 1: going in. I was wearing was in South Krona. I
Speaker 1: was wearing camo, and somebody said something like, Okay, so
Speaker 1: you and I talking about guys in like full camera.
Speaker 1: Your first thought of the O Jesus, you're ever playing
Speaker 1: your hand there, fella. But then you think, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: that's not the worst idea in the world. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's you kind of look like a fool walk
Speaker 1: testing your kid, but testing your kid to some level. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's David doesn't scheme blue jeans um
Speaker 1: all year and then just puts on his waterproof pants
Speaker 1: for go time. Right. Yeah, but that's a it's a
Speaker 1: great it's a damn fun event. I got enoughing tied
Speaker 1: to this thing other than I'd love to go do it.
Speaker 1: And if you're not doing total archery challenge, it's I
Speaker 1: think it's right now. It's seven cities everywhere from Pennsylvania, Texas, Uh, Montana, Utah, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: South Dakota. I mean so there's gotta be someplace that's
Speaker 1: close to where you're at. And if you're a bow
Speaker 1: hunter and you you truly believe that you want to
Speaker 1: be good at it and not just be, you know,
Speaker 1: a Saturday shooter, come and do one, give it her
Speaker 1: up and figure out kind of what you want to
Speaker 1: get out of it, and then go there. Like that's
Speaker 1: what I could think of. I think. So my ender
Speaker 1: to your your original point about are we are we
Speaker 1: stretching the distances too longer? Are we are we creating
Speaker 1: danger for ourselves? I think if you just go back
Speaker 1: around and talk about our scores, the fact is we
Speaker 1: all wounded animals. So that proved to us that I
Speaker 1: am not competent to shoot at that range, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's not to tout me and remy scoring system anymore,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like it's a was a good practical,
Speaker 1: real world application of this is a challenging shot, and
Speaker 1: I'm probably not good enough to shoot it, you know,
Speaker 1: so you gotta so we all do that, that we
Speaker 1: all do that assessment. Whenever I spott a deer and
Speaker 1: I started stock, I'm like, if I can get to
Speaker 1: that point, if I can get to that piece of
Speaker 1: cover or that bush or that rock outcropping, is that
Speaker 1: close enough to shoot? Because that because I'm always assessing
Speaker 1: that's probably the last that's probably the last cover I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have. If I get that close, can I do it?
Speaker 1: And so it's good to it's good to know maybe
Speaker 1: you can't, maybe you can. You know, Yeah, it's for
Speaker 1: David's point, there's no this scoring systemsn't have a name.
Speaker 1: It's not like the wise warrant scoring methods. That could
Speaker 1: be it for anybody that wants to go do that.
Speaker 1: Go do that in your backyard. Like you got a target,
Speaker 1: go do that. You know you got three D target?
Speaker 1: A lot of people. Sure do you have that? Go
Speaker 1: do it and let us know how the hell it goes.
Speaker 1: And then when you're done that, think about what Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's titled should be that here? Thank you. Those
Speaker 1: are the two that's two pieces of homework from this
Speaker 1: conversation and right into Ben right in send it to
Speaker 1: go to go to the website. But I'd like to
Speaker 1: have people to write in, you know, like letters, but
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't want to give out my address.
Speaker 1: Can I give your address? You? I think you need
Speaker 1: to get a po box in Bozeman or something like that,
Speaker 1: something like that, once a month, check it, check it
Speaker 1: on every six You know what, This is a total
Speaker 1: rabbit trail. Let's go. But I like the concept of
Speaker 1: right ends. Yeah, because in our world of social media,
Speaker 1: we have a little too much instance feedback, don't you think,
Speaker 1: like it's a little too easy to sit down at
Speaker 1: the computer and write a comment or an email or
Speaker 1: um or even record a video in response to what
Speaker 1: somebody else said. But it takes time to sit down
Speaker 1: at the table, write something out with a pen and
Speaker 1: paper and put it in an envelope, find the address
Speaker 1: you're gonna send it to, and send it in. That's
Speaker 1: why there were a lot less trolls back in the day,
Speaker 1: because you guys are writing that, like, know what, man,
Speaker 1: here's what I think. It's not really worth my time, right,
Speaker 1: So I think it'd be I think it actually it
Speaker 1: would be a good thing maybe if we had a
Speaker 1: little less instant feedback and we had to because, like
Speaker 1: you said, it would be a lot better sometimes if
Speaker 1: people just decided, you know, maybe I shouldn't say this.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most of what happens on social media,
Speaker 1: as people say things that they shouldn't say because they're
Speaker 1: fired up right in the moment, and later they might
Speaker 1: they might wish to go back and unsay it. There's
Speaker 1: too late. There's a lot of folks that do that.
Speaker 1: Then you call them out for it. They know. I'm sorry, man,
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was not thinking. I got a little I was drunk.
Speaker 1: All positive comments can be on digitally. All negative comments
Speaker 1: must be mailed to to PO Box PO Box, Belgrade, Montana.
Speaker 1: That might be a good idea. There's no that's homework
Speaker 1: for me. I'll create a po box or something like that. Malory.
Speaker 1: People can write in Uh, Yanni, do you have any concluding?
Speaker 1: I'm still I must steal this first, since you're here,
Speaker 1: I'll steal this from the meat Eator podcast. What's Steve called?
Speaker 1: Uh concluder? Concluding thought? I don't think everything, I guess
Speaker 1: I have one last question for David. Are your sisters
Speaker 1: still hunters? Uh? One is and one is? And I
Speaker 1: think that that maybe speaks to what I was talking
Speaker 1: about at the beginning, where hunting is isn'n eate for
Speaker 1: some people. Some people are really passionate about it, and
Speaker 1: some people are just like, no, this isn't this isn't
Speaker 1: really for me. And my sisters are exactly like that.
Speaker 1: One of them, uh got criticized by her friends for
Speaker 1: going out there and wanting to kill Bamby and and
Speaker 1: she thought the social pressure was more than she wanted
Speaker 1: to overcome to go out and hunt, and the other
Speaker 1: one was the opposite. She was just like, I don't
Speaker 1: care what you think. I think hunt's cool. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep doing it. I like that good respect, especially for twins.
Speaker 1: I don't know why twins matters, but they look the same.
Speaker 1: There Are they identical twins? They're not? Damn sorry, Ruins's
Speaker 1: all who was the whole point? Is that a generally concluder? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy with that, Thank you, David. Final thoughts, Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's just an honor to be here Sam with you
Speaker 1: guys chat. This is fun. I really appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: allowing me in the room. And Uh, I'd love to
Speaker 1: shoot with you guys sometimes if we sometimes we get
Speaker 1: a chance, And I'd love to hunt turkeys with any
Speaker 1: or all of you. Yes, turkeys, let's do it. Can
Speaker 1: Turkeys are the best and anybody who downs turkeys come
Speaker 1: see us. I see a turkey bus tour coming together.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm already doing a month. Come find me.
Speaker 1: You're doing a month? At least? Where do we send
Speaker 1: mail to bust? I'd give out my address. It all
Speaker 1: gets forward and wherever I'm at. Sam, have you got
Speaker 1: any traction on bus B and B that we talked about.
Speaker 1: I have yet to get a message about bus being music.
Speaker 1: Let's continue to get that narrative. Tell people about bus
Speaker 1: being so bus B and B. If you're traveling somewhere
Speaker 1: and you're gonna need a place to stay, you just
Speaker 1: rent my bus and I'll drive to you. Yep, it's
Speaker 1: called bus B and B. Bus the different than airbnb
Speaker 1: because Sam will drive to wherever you're at. You can
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, man, I need you to park
Speaker 1: that bus next to the conference center and Sam will
Speaker 1: drive right over there. Done, just pull up, pull up,
Speaker 1: and then he'll go get a hotel and then you
Speaker 1: just have there's no toilet or shower, but you know
Speaker 1: it's okay whatever, some stupid airbnb that's right anyway. Think
Speaker 1: which is a terrible name because nobody makes you breakfast? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a misnomer. Would you cook breakfast and bust
Speaker 1: being definitely? Oh there you go. See. I think you
Speaker 1: could get a sunshower, you know, a little solar solar
Speaker 1: shower bag. That wouldn't be too hard to actually have.
Speaker 1: I have all of the pieces to do a like
Speaker 1: a full on like propane tankless water, heat or shower.
Speaker 1: I just haven't put all the pieces together. But for bust,
Speaker 1: B and B you'd put it together. Yes, how much
Speaker 1: a night? I think depending on the location, I don't know,
Speaker 1: twelve fifteen thousand, that's fine. I gotta cover diesel fuel
Speaker 1: to get there. It's not great in the mountains. So
Speaker 1: if you're doing, like trying to do a mountain get away,
Speaker 1: I gotta you know, it's the risk. Score. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: not go over the complication. So let's just talk about
Speaker 1: the good. You know, it's a good things and anything else. Sam, No,
Speaker 1: just thanks for having me on. It's good to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm stressed about changing your flight to stay and shoot again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I really think that if I took your guys
Speaker 1: attacked and I was like, I'm going out here to
Speaker 1: shoot score and kill these animals, every one of them,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to accept those errors to go
Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere else, because today I was kind of just
Speaker 1: like slaying them and then I started sucking, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, now I'm just gonna keep slaying him
Speaker 1: and I'm not even gonna aim anymore, and it just
Speaker 1: got bad. I'm very stressed about ah, as well as
Speaker 1: you guys did now poorly perspective wives that we did.
Speaker 1: Let me think about that. Yeahni, are you stressed too
Speaker 1: or don care? No? No, I feel pretty good about
Speaker 1: it about my shooting today the first time ever. Yeah, yeah, again,
Speaker 1: all the like you get, like you said, David, all
Speaker 1: the ones that are within range that you would take
Speaker 1: in the field in real time. I felt like I
Speaker 1: killed all those animals. Hm, well I might change my flight.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do about another podcast from tomorrow. I'll follow up.
Speaker 1: I'll follow up podcast. Probably not gonna happen, but they
Speaker 1: might amount empty promises. All right, that's it, bye bye,
Speaker 1: Oh you do it, Johnnie, Johnny gonna hit this stop button.
Speaker 1: That's it. That is all. Episode number twenty two is done.
Speaker 1: Thank you to David, Sam Yanni. We're joining me for
Speaker 1: episode number two and twenty two. I think great conversations there,
Speaker 1: really love and learning a little bit from David about
Speaker 1: how to be a better hunter, a better competitor, just
Speaker 1: a better human beings. Davids one is definitely one of those,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys hang out with and run
Speaker 1: into um and I'm glad he could jump on a
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