WEBVTT - Ep. 22: David Wise, Janis Putelis and Sam Soholt 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:06.199 Hey, everybody, welcomed episode number twenty two of the Hunting Collective. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.840 I'm Ben O'Brien and today we are in Big Sky, 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:15.600 Montana once again for the great conversation. This time is 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.439 with a bunch of dudes, three to be exact, the 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.599 first of which is Sam Sohold, whom you know have 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.720 hopefully listed podcasts, a regular guest, and the bus guy, 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.800 second of which is Janice Ptelis Bozeman, Montana, part of 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.760 the Meat Eater crew. You've seen Janice Hopefully on Media TV, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.000 Steve Rinella, you've seen him or heard him moreover on 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.559 the Media to podcast. And last but not least, David Wise. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.879 David Wise is, among many things, an Olympic gold melist 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.600 free skier and half pipe um. He's a four time 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.120 X Games gold medalist, two time Olympic gold medalist. He 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.480 scored one most recently a few months back in Soci. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.600 He was just coming off a win at the sp 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.640 Awards as well. So David is a hunter and an 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.120 Olympic gold manalist. Not a lot of those running around, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.240 but it was it was great to get his new 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:17.960 perspective on what competing and hunting and what both those 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.319 things added to his life, so he's had some relative 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.920 fame quite recently. It was also great to hear that 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.720 about that from him and those changes and have this 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.319 whole group together. We all shot the Total Archery Challenge 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.280 and enjoyed the crap out of that and had a 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:37.040 great conversation. So hopefully you enjoy episode number twenty two 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:55.680 coming at you. We're recording Yanni tell Us where like 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.680 tell us about Mike placement on podcasts. Right. I've been 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:04.880 taught to by our sound guys that um who are 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.240 stringing a can in New York who mixed the Mediator 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.200 podcast to put the mic roughly two fingers off your 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.800 top lip, so roughly mustache. And I thing we commonly 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.399 run into is that everybody does this and they go, yeah, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.480 I got two fingers and they're basically making a peace sign, 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.639 just like I'm just talking about two fingers together together 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.880 and not yet turned into a B sign. But I 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.840 was explained, Um, part of it is you're right, David, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.919 that you don't want to be breathing into the mic 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.400 and you don't hear that sound. But supposely there's a 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.079 lot of sound that comes out of um, sort of 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.200 the cheekbone, area as people are talking. So what what 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.000 do you mean by that very confused sound that come 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:46.959 Like that's where some of the sound resonates from, Like 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.679 reverberates from your cheekbones as you're talking. Maybe just the 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.040 quality of the sound, I don't know, Like, like it's 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.280 not just all coming out of out of your throat 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.320 right wherever the MIC's picking it up from. There's something 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.200 that's coming through your mouth and out through your cheeks 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.079 a little bit higher than you imagine where your sound 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.760 comes from. The last thing I'll say about mike placement 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.920 is that right in front of the lips you get 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:14.480 a lot of peas really breathes and and you don't 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.520 you don't want the popping peas well as this prevent 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:24.600 popping peas. That's what you're telling me. Uh, Yanni, introduce yourself. Uh. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:32.440 Jana patel us Bose in Montana yea producer, Meat Eater Television, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.640 right now, podcast, anything else you want? Know we're at 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.840 we're talking about we were talking about what your title 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:44.320 should be, right, and I said, producers, not enough? Do 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.560 you agree that's that's not quite descriptive enough? Yeah? Not 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.600 that I've outgrown because I feel like there's room to 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.160 grow as a producer still for me, but there's a 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.160 lot of you know, outlying things that I'm involved in, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.880 so producer doesn't quite you know, cover at all. I said, 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.280 the glue, What do you feel about that? I like it? 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.520 I like it like that. Yeah, it's got legs. The 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.800 glue right in? I always tell me, just right, I 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.680 don't know where you're writing to? Where do you don't 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.000 have an info at the Hunting Collective? Where do you 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.080 know most of your messages? I don't know. They're just 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.320 spread out like half for Instagram. Just right, just right in. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.640 Our address is not listed anywhere. Go ahead and right 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.160 in because I feel like this is bullshit, because I 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.800 feel like a lot of people out there know my 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.520 email or can find is. I think there is no no, 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.599 there's maybe go to the hunting clicks dot com. There's 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.160 emails right there. I can find it there. So right 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.200 in there, write a letter right to Ben No, right 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.320 to Yanni. He's got enough going on. Yanni's the glue. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.039 He can handle anything. Well, he'd be great. You showed 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.600 up in a couple of weeks and you're like, y 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.760 need to have a quick fifteen minute meeting a bunch 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.479 of people wrote in, I've got some ideas, ideas, here's 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.760 here's the top ten. So if I listen to this, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.560 please write in what you think Yanni's meat eater uh 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.920 idols should be, and please include I'm looking forward to 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.800 seeing what your fans come up with. Please include descriptions. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:13.320 I don't have any fans, just reluctant listeners. David described 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.400 who you are. Hey, everyone, I'm David Wise uh and 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:24.200 I am a professional skier by trade slash bow hunting addict. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.200 So I'm here in this room because I happen to 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:29.520 like to shoot bows a lot, and I'm in the 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.320 same place as these guys, and we decided to sit down. Yeah, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.920 that's how, hopefully how all podcasts work. We're just like, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:36.920 we want to just keep talking to each other, but 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.480 put headphones on and make sure there are two fingers 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.080 away from your mouth above the top lift or at yeah, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.480 top lift oriented somewhere so that the sound through my cheekbones. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.360 I hope you have a strong pronounced cheekbone. That's right, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.560 you have to have that that tenor through the cheekbones. Um. 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.120 I'm coming off of a very what will probably forever 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.920 be the most successful season of my life. Um got 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.880 to go represent the US of A and the in 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.440 the Olympics and pyong Chang and bring home a gold medal, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.040 and uh, I couldn't be more excited. Let me tell 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.560 you guys this real talk. I couldn't be more excited 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.800 to be in the mounds of Montana shooting bows with 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.880 you guys, because I'm an introvert at heart. I'm a 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.200 mountain man in my soul, and I'm passionate. I love 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.080 I love skiing, I love Part of the reason I 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.000 love skiing as much as I love hunting is that 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.960 both things get me further up, further in, further into 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.440 the wilderness where I wouldn't spend time normally seeking, you know, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.960 seeking new experiences. And um, so yeah, I'm just excited 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.200 to be I'm excited, excited to be back in my 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.720 element because one of the one of the benefits and 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.040 downfalls to getting too compete in the Olympics is more 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.400 people care about what I do for one year than 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.799 they ever have cared about about it for my entire career. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:01.280 You know, the the Olympics tend to connect people, and 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.680 they connect me to people who really probably don't even 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.080 know what I do, you know, or or even if 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.240 they know, and even if they've watched me ski and 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.080 the half five, they don't really understand what's going on. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.400 They don't understand why my run is better than anybody else. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.600 They're like dude with the long hair flips upside down 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.760 when he does the flips and spins and stuff, but 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.520 he want a gold medal, you know. So, um, the 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.560 attention that I get is certainly for me kind of overwhelming. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.480 So um, it's just nice to take a step back 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.200 and remind myself, you know, what what what life is 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.360 all about, and and do the do the enjoyable things 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.320 in the mountains. And I like flinging arrows that whatever 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.000 I can flame that targets. We're coming back to that, Sam. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.760 I want you to describe where we are and then 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.960 say who you are. Okay, So we are in a 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.680 big sky Montana. We are currently in a corner unit 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.920 kind of condo hotel room type thing looking out over 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.280 pretty amazing mountain views. Yeah, but we're up at the 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.960 Total Archer challenge and I think all of us have 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.400 shot a couple of days in a row now, and um, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.320 arrows have been lost and good shots have been made, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.600 but a few of those, but overall, um, yeah, pretty 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.680 amazing time up here and just good to be having 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.160 a conversation with you guys and the buses here. The 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.920 bus is here, the bus is down in the parking lot. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.920 Bus guy. I'm the bus guy. I don't I'm not 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.240 eve gonna say my name the bus guy. Is that 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.120 annoying that you're the bus guy? No, I don't think so. 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.600 I think it's uh so, I'm Sam sohl Um, most 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.280 recently known as the bus guy. But I think it 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.319 it's nice to have a little bit more of a 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.560 title on my nomadic lifestyle because I kind of started 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.800 doing living on the roads in two and um it 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.959 was probably I think it was two thousands, may have 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.199 two fourteen, I moved out of my house that I 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.040 was renting, and I haven't had a permanent address since then, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.600 so I've just been living on the road. Last summer 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.520 I built up the school bus, and when I'm on 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.120 the road, i'm living in that, and when I'm not, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.679 I'm just crashing wherever I can find a place. In 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.880 all seriousness, what mostly goes on in the school bus 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:14.319 like driving and sleeping and then hu hunting out of it. Yeah, driving, 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.480 sleeping and hunting. So it's it sounds like that, sounds 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.800 like a well used school bus. So you do there, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.319 you eat in there? Probably, yeah, yeah. Like so a 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.319 lot of times I'll hunt alone, and I'll uh, you 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.559 know whatever. Got a little camp stove set up on 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.360 the kitchen counter in there, and coffee pot ready to 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:31.920 like a French press ready to roll. And so I 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.240 wake up and I make eggs and whatever and coffee, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.200 and then out the bus store into wherever I'm going. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.360 And then when I've got people in camp, I always 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.040 set up the wall tent sits up next to it. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.480 Um did a custom wall tent, and so you got 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.160 wood stove and all the cooking stuff out in the 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.880 wall tent, and then everybody's sleeping inside, and I've got 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.040 like a propane fireplace, and so I always set my 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.000 alarm an hour before we have to get up. I 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.400 hop out of bed, turned the fireplace on, go back 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.360 to bed, and then when everybody and I start the 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.040 wood stove. And so when everyone wakes up, the buses warmed, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.520 the tents warm, and then we cook breakfast and go hunt. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.880 What you're doing, you're doing hunting camp. Right, Yeah, it's 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:12.120 a Bluebird bus. It is Bluebird full size school bus. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.200 So what's the ratio of breakdowns? Two hunts for the bus? 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.320 I should knock on wood. I have yet to break down. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.520 So but I have done a lot of I've spent 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.400 a lot of money on preventative like maintenance. So I 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.000 before I took off last fall, I went and I 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.520 spent almost six dollars on oil change. Um. They fixed 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.800 a bunch of exhaust leaks, there was hydraulic fluid that 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.520 needed to be sealed up. Um, they did a full 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.000 run through. They did. UM. I had some lights that 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.080 I had, you know, put a screw through some electrical work, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.360 and so I had shorted out the tail lights on 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.000 one side, and so they fixed all that. I mean, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.559 it was just that I had him run through the 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.520 whole thing. Um. A guy that does service on all 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.400 the regional school buses in the area where I did 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.640 the build. And so I figured, if he's getting school 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.960 busses ready for kids riding on him, I figured, I'm 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.360 in good hands. But and then I've you know, I've 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.839 I've any time I start to think I'm having trouble 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.559 with it, I take it in and go, Okay, I 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.839 need you to run through this, I need you to 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.520 check it out. And then I'm always trying to be 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:13.839 ahead of it because I don't want to be out 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.080 in the middle of nowhere. And oh yeah, I've been 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.880 in the dial Like when you're in there, You're like, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:20.920 I could do a couple of honts out of this 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.679 thing podcasting the bus. Have you had anybody reach out 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.199 and say, hey, do you have plans on how to do? 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.120 I want to do a busy? So I will say so, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.800 I've had a lot of people reach out and say, oh, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.079 I've always thought about doing a bus. Uh, you know, like, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.199 can I ask you questions if I get one and 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.760 build it in h If I'm going to be completely honest, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.000 I probably talked more people out of buying a bus 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.439 then I have inspired people to buy one. And I 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.240 love the school bus and it's the project has been 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.440 awesome and everything I've done with it has been awesome 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.319 and for what I'm trying to do with it, it 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.520 is the perfect vehicle. I mean, it's you can't miss. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.120 It goes by, You're like, well, there's just painted up 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.360 school bus. You can tell there's like you know, beds 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.440 and stuff inside. It's like trying people trying to figure 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.640 out what's going on. But if your goal is to 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.679 travel somewhere and just enjoy the outdoors more, a school 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.440 bus may not be the answer. You know, I feel 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.079 like that statements common sense, but well it's nice to 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.440 people know. Yeah, no, don't buy a school bus if 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.199 you want to go up in the mountains, right, it's 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.120 not a you know, you're not taking it off road. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.679 Once you get there, you don't have a vehicle unless 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.080 you pull something or meet people there. Um, Like last year, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:30.679 I pulled up, so I had the full sized bus, 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.480 and then I pulled a utility trailer with a four 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.000 wheeler on it, and so I was, you know, like 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.160 I think the bus is thirty six ft long. And 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.200 then I had a you know, fourteen feet a trailer, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:44.320 so I was, you know, running fifty ft up. You're 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.360 a moving conglomerate like gravel roads and stuff, And like 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.480 every time I turned on one, I was just kind 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.959 of in a panic trying to figure out if I 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.640 could take this. It's like, yeah, I don't, I don't know, 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.439 like and had no idea how bus is handled on 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:01.080 like muddy roads or snowy roads or whatever. So my option, uh, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.199 if there was bad weather coming, I just parked it 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.559 and stayed. This didn't go anywhere. I've dealt with that 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.319 on a on a much subtler level. Uh, just pulling 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.120 a trailer. I think anybody's I got a little travel 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.160 trailer for the family, and and uh, everybody just assumes 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.880 you can just drive the danny thing everywhere. And I've 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.079 definitely had some conversations with my wife where I'm like, look, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.920 we gotta have a plan for how we're going to 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.920 get out of the parking lot before we get into it, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.800 because if I jack knife this thing in the parking lot, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.599 I'm gonna have to take it off and get some 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.559 get five friends to like tork it back around. Now, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.800 how about you want Darry Queenly, Yeah, let alone camping spots, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.040 just getting just getting fuel, you know, just stopping off 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.800 and I'm picturing you trying to back like maybe telling 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.440 a boat on there and trying to back that into 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:51.160 a doting honestly, like with the mirrors are pretty good, 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.520 so you could, like you gotta go slow, but you 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.160 can back something up. The worst part is the departure 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.319 angle on behind your rear axel is so far back, like, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.040 you know, so much vehicle behind the rear tires that 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.959 if you go through a dip like I like the 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.840 jack on my trailer, it was you know, I don't 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.719 know how long it was when it started, but I 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.560 probably ground off like six or seven, which is at 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.400 the bottom of the jack, because every time I go 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.840 through a dip it was just and I would just 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.120 run that through. So I just run a couple of 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.520 extra two buy six is yeah, it's just fine. You 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.400 have a big, you know, block, and I could jack 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.280 a lot up on that. That's that's well. You gotta 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.960 be strategic. But overall the bus is awesome. Well and 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.360 the main sorry ahead now, I said, when you first 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.240 did the bus, I said, it's going to break down. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.680 Every time I was like, there's no way the bus 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.040 to the hunt to ratio breakdown. I figured would be 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.840 one to one. Well I got got one. You beat 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.800 me on that. Yeah, it's a zero percent zero, But 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.560 I got pretty lucky. When the I bought, I basically 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.920 bought the bus from a school district. It was one 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:56.960 guy had bought it but he didn't use it, and 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.080 I bought it from him. But the school had paid 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.960 to do a complete rebuild on the motor and the transmission. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.560 So like when I got it, only had twenty thousand 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.920 miles on the rebuild, and I think I've put fourteen 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:12.400 thousand miles on the bus. Now. Two questions, Yeah, main 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.840 real quick, main purpose of the bus, and then what's 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.560 the ninety two rebuilt engine bus go for? Okay, so 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.880 main purpose of the bus. So a long time ago, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.840 I was sitting around with my brother and a buddy 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.520 of ours, and we we're talking about, like how cool 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.560 would be to buy a school bus and do like 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.640 a twelve state turkey tour and just drive around and 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.200 kill turkeys. I didn't know you were such a turkey finate. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.880 We were talking a little bit at lunch, but this 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.880 is let's let him get through this, but we're getting 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.240 into the ten turkeys bring it. So we were like, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.960 you know, you could you could try. I mean, you 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.160 can buy turkey tags everywhere. There's almost nowhere you have 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:51.720 to like, there's a very few states you have to 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.920 draw a turkey tag. And so you could say you 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.240 go hunting Nebraska and you kill three turkeys and then 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.160 you just go to the next date and you buy tags, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.680 and we just thought that to be cool too, rip 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.280 out all the guts out of a school bus and 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.360 have a couple of cots and just a wood stove 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.240 and whatever and keep it super simple and just like 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.720 travel around and kill turkeys. And that was the original, like, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.240 you know, three guys sitting around bullshit and idea. And 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.120 then it was I think it was like three years 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.440 after that. But like when we had that conversation, like 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.800 every time I'd see a school bus and'll be like, oh, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.080 look at that bus, you know, means like I feel 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.920 like I feel like a look at that short bus, Like, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:30.520 oh man, look at that one. That'd be like perfect 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.360 size for doing this, you know. Um, it was the 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.800 fall of I was kind of coming off a hunting season, 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.760 trying to kind of figure out what I wanted to 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:44.040 do next. Um, all of the public land transfer debates 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.920 and everything that we're coming you know happening. People are 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.960 starting to get fired up about trying to keep public 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.400 lands public, and I just it seemed like the right 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.040 opportunity to both get the bus and build it out 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.360 and then have it mean more than just some guy 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.240 rolling around hunting, because that's you know what, that's not 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.280 that cool of a story, like it's just a homeless 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.520 guy in a bus traveling around trying to shoot things. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.560 So I tried I attached it to this public land message, 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.560 and my whole goal was to stay at a very 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.360 elevated level to raise awareness about the issues and help 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.200 educate people and kind of have people look at it 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.000 and try to figure out what I'm talking about and 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.879 then go do research on their own about all the 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.840 public land stuff and just kind of a little bit 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.720 of a call to action to get people involved with 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.760 trying to figure out what they can do to keep 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.359 stuff public. So that was the the whole goal, and 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.119 it was to buy the bus. What would you have 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:44.600 guessed John on the cost well higher, So he had 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.639 he had it listed for I first tried to trade 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:53.840 guns in gear because I like to barter, and uh fine, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:59.760 I think I wore him to trade out. Well, I've 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:01.480 done so. I've done a lot of photo work for 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.159 different clients over the last six eight years. And you know, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.760 he had a gun here there, and a pack here 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.280 and there, and clothing and coolers and all sorts of stuff. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.919 And so the guy I bought it from, his name 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.280 was carlos In Fort Lupton, Colorado, and I was like, 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:16.639 do you like to hunt? You like to fish? Like, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:18.639 would you want to trade gear for it? And he's like, well, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.960 what do you got? And I was like what do 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.919 you need? You know? So he's like, oh, we'll take 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.240 you know, like looking for this, and so I gave 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.680 him like a whole laundry list of stuff and then 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.520 I just wore him down and finally he was like, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.720 all right, I'll take five thousand in gear trade or cash, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.800 and I said sold. So I bought it New Year's Eve. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.040 And the funny part about that is that about five 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.040 years ago Sam and I were on a hunt and 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.359 during the hunt, I was talking about podcasting, and then 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.440 the same hunt he was talking about building a bus, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.640 and then about at the same time. Yeah, four years 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.440 later or whatever, now we're talking about you're on your 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.840 podcast talking about my bus. That's crazy. That's deep. Whoa, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.040 it's real deep. All right, we're going back, David. Um, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.840 I don't have any transition at all. Wow. That was 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.840 that was great. Thanks. We're just gonna get back to 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.920 you eventually. Thank you. Sam. Part of the podcast, Um, 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.760 when you start hunting a great question? I started, Uh, 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.359 it depends on how you define it. I started tagging 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.200 along with my sisters um when I was eight or nine, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.760 and uh, I got my license as soon as I 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:36.160 possibly could. UH primarily hunt. I mean, I'm an opportunist. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.720 I'll hunt, I'll fish, I'll i I love the idea 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.040 and the and the ability to go out there and 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.040 provide food for yourself off the land. So um but 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.200 but I definitely because my time has always been limited. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.040 Even from a young age, we were always traveling to ski. Um, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.680 I've I've sort of naturally gravitated towards the big game 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.200 side of things because I could go out for a 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.280 couple of days at a time. A lot of times 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.960 it was just weekends and and the reward was immense, 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.480 Whereas if you're if you're an amazing chucker hunter or 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.240 you're an amazing fisherman, you are still providing food for 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.600 you and your family, but not at the levels that 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:13.680 you are when you can harvest a deer, harvest and 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.440 elk um. So, my dad and my I have sister, 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.480 I've twin sisters that are four years older than me, 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.440 and my dad hunted kind of recreationally when he was 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.960 growing up, and um, it was always something that he 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.560 respected and liked, but it wasn't it wasn't a big 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.200 thing to him until his daughter starting to get into 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.959 the age where maybe they could hunt, and he realized, now, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.960 this is something that I kind of want to pass down. 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.000 So my dad ironically got back into hunting because of 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.960 my sisters because they were getting to the age where 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.920 they could hunt. And uh, they went out those first 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:46.240 couple of years and they were just absolutely clueless because 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:48.960 he wasn't he wasn't a great hunter. He was he 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.639 had just done it, like I said, recreationally and his 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.200 knowledge level was low. But um, when you're the guy, 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.600 when you're the guy that because when we all go 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.359 out and hunt, especially most of Nevada hunting is public ground. 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:01.960 So when you go out and hunt in public ground, 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:03.840 you bump into other people who are hunting as well, 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:05.920 and you don't always tell them where you're going, but 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.320 you always chat about what what's your experience? Have you 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.400 guys seen any nice bucks? Have you seen any dose? 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.920 What have you seen? And uh, the guy with two 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:19.680 twelve year old girls, twin girls hunting, uh, definitely sticks 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.399 out like a store a sore thumb. So my family 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.520 essentially lucked out in the fact that they kind of 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.520 bumped into some people who are really knowledgeable about hunting. 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:32.200 And uh, those guys basically took my dad and my 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.920 sister's out hunting, and that was just at the age 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.960 where I was old enough to tag along. I'm not 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:38.880 gonna say that I wasn't kind of holding them back, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.240 and I'm in hindsight, I'm thankful that they were willing 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.840 to hike at the pace that an eight year old hike. 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:47.760 I would say I was probably setting a pretty a 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:49.880 pretty decent pace for an eight an eight year old, 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.240 but I was still late, you know. But um, I 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.080 loved it so much. I don't know. I think some 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.000 of hunting is in nate, you know that. I don't 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.280 I can't really explain why I liked it, but I 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.720 always liked it lot. And I got to be there 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.000 when my sister got her first buck, and um, I 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.439 got to experience the whole process from you know, the hunting. 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.200 We hunted hard, we had we were having a hard 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.399 time finding anything. Then we saw a buck. She shot it, 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.000 She heart shot it. I mean it was an amazingly quick, 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:21.280 ethical lethal kill. And you know, the butchering process. All 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.840 that stuff fascinated me and then I got to experience 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.480 it from from a food side, and that was it. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.040 I was at eight years old. I've been eaten years 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:34.920 since I was eight. And um, like I said, my time, 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.480 the time for me has always been the biggest, probably 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.440 the biggest obstacle between me and hunting. I think I 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.719 look at me and hunting kind of the same way 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.680 I look at me and my wife. This is gonna 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:50.120 be a really ridiculous analogy, So here we go. You're ready. 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.439 Um where Like my wife and I we met when 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.520 we were young, and we we didn't get together when 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.159 we first met, but we were always destined for each other. 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:00.520 And that's how I feel about hunting. Is like I 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:03.119 hunting and I met at a really young age, but 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.639 I always just kind of dip my toes in it. 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.920 But but I was meant to be a sold out 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.840 bow hunter and I just didn't realize it. And the 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:12.440 same way, the same thing with my wife. I like, 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.000 I met her and she fascinated me, but I didn't 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.880 really know and I wasn't really in a good place 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.200 in my life to be with her at that time. 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.400 And we went we went our separate ways, and um, 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.400 you know, I met back up a couple of years 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.200 later and I was like, holy crap, yeah I can't. 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.520 I haven't been able to forget this girl. And you know, 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:32.240 but beyond that, it was just wildfire. And uh, same 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.760 thing with hunting. It was like I always liked hunting, 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.679 and and in Nevada are our opportunities are somewhat limited, 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:41.240 especially on the rifle side. Um, if you put in 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:44.719 for easy to draw units, you can probably you can 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:49.159 most likely draw a tag a year, but that's not 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:54.000 even guaranteed. That even that's not guaranteed. The between hunting 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.119 cow elk and putting in for everything else, I mean 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:57.800 literally when I when I when I would put in 0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:59.959 for the Nevada draw it, I'd I'd run it out 0:23:59.960 --> 0:24:01.480 of things to put in for because I just wanted 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.080 to draw something. So the hunting was a little limited, 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:06.760 so I would just hunt when I drew a tag. 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.480 So you know, when year I draw a deer tag 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.720 and I'd hunt that, And the next year I draw 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.120 a deer tag or maybe an antelope tag, and I'd 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.800 hunt those. Um, whatever tag I happened to draw would 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.359 be the animal I chased. It wasn't like I was. 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.480 I was not very calculated about it. It was just 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.840 kind of like throwing some darts at the wall and 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.600 and and hunting, which everyone stuck. And I drew an 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:32.640 elk tag one year and I realized, when I drew 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:37.760 an elk tag, I've never seen an elk. That's gonna 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.560 sound super funny to you guys, because you grew up 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.240 in areas where elk are plentiful, and you see him 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.359 on the side of the highway. And I've seen a 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.040 lot of elk since then. But when I drew it, 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.879 and I want to clarify that, uh, when uh, I 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.240 always started as an elk hunting guide, I'd probably only 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:58.480 seen maybe a dozen elk up to that point. I 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.000 grew up in the east coast. Yeah, and I grew 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:03.880 up on the east side of South Dakota. That's true. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:09.959 Shut that down. Continue pardon my ignorance. Before you continue, 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.119 I want to give you a plus, definitely an A 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.160 on your analogy, because like, if your gal isn't happy 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.320 with the way that you compared hear, do you like 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.000 your love to hunting, and then she doesn't love you 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.000 more now like she should. I was super first when 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:24.640 you first put off the analogy, I'm like, he's about 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.360 to crash and burn on that. But that was good 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:31.359 because when I'm hunting, I'm chasing. When there's chicks running 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:38.160 up chases, you know, there's no way. I would also say, Um, 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.720 your story, I think it's similar to a lot of 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.000 folk stories, and I'd like to hear from everybody about 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.520 this particular point, which is one my dad stopped hunting 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.119 for a long time until I got into it, and 0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:53.879 then he got back into you at my level. And 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.159 then as I've as my levels of honey with kind 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.399 of increased, he's he's gone back with me, kind of 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.639 like the metronome X. But then also during college, I 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.960 didn't hunt as much. Like during that formative time, we're 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.120 not trying to figure out my life. I wanted markedly 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.919 less than I did when you know, I turned twenty 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.000 three and got out all that and got into like, 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:16.320 what what do I want my life to be? So 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:20.119 I I find like that story is not it's pretty 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.920 damn yeah, it's it's a common It's actually a more 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:25.480 common story. The more I share it with people, the 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.040 more common I realized that is is that um, and 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.280 I think that that the heritage of hunting is super important. 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.560 I'm excited to teach my kids the hunt when they 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.639 grow up, you know. And uh so anyways, yeah, I 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.320 was I stopped on you know, drawing my first elk 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.359 tag and realized I've never seen an elk before and 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.320 being like, Okay, I guess I gotta go figure this 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:49.760 animal out. But I've I've grown up. I feel really 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.600 fortunate to have grown up in a in a state 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.560 with so much public land. And I think that that's 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.119 something that we for are all very passionate about. Is 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.879 like we want to see if anything more access to 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.800 public land. Uh, if anything, we want to see it 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:08.200 just it protected better and better. Because I never once 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:12.000 hunted on private land until that was like as you're 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.680 talking about, like, idrew a tag here that was all public, 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.040 always peblic land. There was no other there was no alternative. 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.880 We were kind of I mean, me and my dad 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.800 and our hunting buddies, we would kind of laugh at 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.560 the people who went out and bought land on our tags, 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.480 were like, why would we buy a land on our 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.360 tag when we can buy the thirty five dollar deer tag? 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.120 You know. It just it just wasn't the it wasn't 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.399 the the approach that we had to hunting because hunting 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.879 for us was always about food, you know. Uh, it 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.040 was never about shooting the biggest animal. And would we 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.520 shoot if you had a choice between the bigger buck 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.840 or the smaller buck? Are you gonna shoot the smaller buck? No, 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.080 You're gonna shoot the bigger one. But if you have 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.520 a chance between a small buck and no buck, are 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.080 you going to shoot the small buck? Yeah? Because it's food. 0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.240 It's food for the freezer, and so yeah, I was 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.320 that was always my heritage growing up in hunting was it? 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.520 It was public land was the only option. And that's 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.880 why I say, I feel really fortunate to having grown 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.679 up in Nevada because we do have so much access 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:16.080 to public land, and I've learned I wouldn't I wouldn't 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.159 describe myself as a very good hunter, but I'm a 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.399 very relentless hunter. And I think the public land is 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.800 what taught me. That is because I realized everybody has 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.359 the same chance on this piece of ground, but the 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:28.520 guy who walks a little further in, or goes or 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.639 climbs him out in a little bit faster, he has 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.080 a greater chance. And I learned that from a pretty 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.399 young age and that's how I hunt today. It drives 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.200 some of my friends that I hang out with crazy. 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.360 They're like, why did you walk that far in? Why 0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.239 did the main the main question usually is why did 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.760 you shoot that that far in? And I'm like, because 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:50.560 that's where I found it? Sorry, you know, and uh so, anyways, 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:51.880 I don't I kind of got lost on my No, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.000 that's a different It's just a different way to grew up. 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:55.280 I mean, I grew up hunting public land, but it 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:59.880 was it was a lot different. You grew up problem Michigan. 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.600 I don't even think the concept of public land really 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:07.040 hit me until I was probably but I don't know, 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.960 five years into guiding Elk hunters on public land and 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.200 so I kind of sort of realized what was going on. 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.880 And we had private access to private land to public land, right, 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.680 it was harder to get to. So we saw a 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.280 few dudes coming in and just slowly figured out that 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.680 we were, you know, kind of protecting it. You wouldn't 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.440 talk about it much in town as to where we 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:28.000 were hunting, right because we had a little bit of 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.640 a honey hoole. But yeah, I mean I was mid 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.720 mid twenties until I was kind of like, oh wow, yeah, 0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:38.360 a hundred square miles that just like just go right. 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.080 I was the same way I was, like maybe years old. 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.080 I grew up on in public land mostly and then 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.600 got to wait a minute. I grew up in public land. 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.200 I just thought that was the place everybody went hunting. 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.800 I didn't know. I had no idea that it was 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.280 like some kind of classification around where we could go 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.760 and not go. I just thought we go sometimes, we 0:29:57.800 --> 0:29:59.480 go to private every once in a while. We would 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.200 hunt farms. Every once in a while we would most 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.640 of the time we would go public. Yeah, we were 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.080 two things. We would access public through private quite a 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.160 bit growing up, but that was just part of it, 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:12.400 and I didn't think anything of it. I really didn't, 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.640 And most of the time, most of the time for me, 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.320 it was never uh we were never hunting on the 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.920 private ground. It was just an access point to to 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:22.320 a big piece of public land that didn't have a 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.760 lot of access. So um, it was always a cool 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.560 It's cool to be able to go through there because 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:28.520 then you know, you kind of knew you were gonna 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.680 you're gonna get some opportunities to other people weren't. But um, 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.760 as I was talking about my analogy, I'm going to 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:37.880 complete the circle of the analogy of how I went 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.280 from being a recreational hunter to uh to a guy 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.040 sitting here having a podcast with you guys. Uh. And 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:48.560 it's almost a hundred percent Remmy Warrant's fall because um 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.280 he beat me to it. I was gonna be yea. 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.239 So if he gave you the Remmy Warrant disease, then 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:58.200 that's why. Yeah, yeah, he gave me the bug, and 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.520 I haven't been able to get away from it. Um. 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.840 I So after I was always a hunter and I 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.360 would always put in for tags and and I enjoyed it. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.960 But it wasn't it honestly wasn't even at the top 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:14.320 of my list every year. Everything the top five items 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.040 on the top of on my list, we're skiing related. 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.120 And then when I finally changed my perspective, got married 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.600 and had my little girl, my first, my my daughter. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.520 I have two kids now, Ni Alien Malichi. When I 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.280 had my little girl, my perspective changed, and and and 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.120 three or four of those top five things became family 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.720 and and and people oriented. And that really helped actually 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.320 helped me be a better athlete, better skier because I 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.000 wasn't so caught up in success on a pair of skis. 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.240 But um, but the top five never really included hunting. 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.320 Hunting was up there, you know, it was. It was 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.080 like six seven eight somewhere in there. But um, after 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.720 the Olympics in I won my first gold medal, and 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:57.480 all of a sudden, I had more attention on me 0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:59.600 than I had ever expected to have in my whole life. 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:01.920 For one month of the year. They treat you like 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.800 an absolute celebrity, and people want you to show up 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.880 to their events and they want to they just want 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:08.800 to take photos with you, and and it was just 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.520 kind of foreign for me because skiers have always appreciated 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.520 what I do, but the rest of the world really 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.320 didn't care. They're like, wow, why why would you flip around? 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.440 And a half pipe? That's silly, you know. Uh So 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.360 I was overwhelmed, as as the mountain. The mountain main 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.680 introvert Emmy was overwhelmed, and I was just having a 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.360 just a casual conversation with Remy. Um. He and I 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.640 have had mutual friends forever. We kind of grew up together, 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.480 and he was just like, listen to Dave I know 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.480 you love to hunt, but I really think you should 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.080 try shooting a compound bow. Um and I I had 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.560 had an old bear re curve my whole life that 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.480 my grandfather handed down to me and my dad kind 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.120 of collectively, He's like, here, this is for both of 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:52.440 you guys. And Um. So I liked bows. I think 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.520 everybody likes bows, and bows are super cool. But when 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.880 Remy gave me one of his old bows and I 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:02.840 started shooting a compound bow, and I realized how how 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.880 meditative it was, because archery is one of those things 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.480 where you have to slow your heart rate down and 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.760 be focused at the same time. And that really related 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:14.800 to what I was striving to be as a skier 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.160 is you know, intense. The things that the tricks that 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.440 I'm doing a lot of them have never been done before, 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.440 and so it's really I'm at a high level. I'm 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:29.080 I'm basically my goal is to reach the highest level 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.960 that I'm capable of on skis, and so it's it's 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.320 kind of intense. But in order to reach that level, 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.440 you can't be you can't be overhyped about it because 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.320 then you're gonna then you're gonna pin the throttle too 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.160 hard and crash um. So you have to be focused 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:49.600 by calculated and relaxed and calm and and that side 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.400 of archery just spoke to my soul. I mean it 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.160 was as soon as he put that bone in my 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.680 hands and I went and bought my first twelve pack 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.880 of arrows at Cabela's, it was like game over, just 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:09.440 first of our first really, yes, it's great a heaven 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.480 recommended for guns, but with bows. Just drink away, so like, 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.160 give me a quick it feels like this, And I 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.120 want Yanni to talk to you about skiing because I've 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.440 never skied. Um, but well we need to we need 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.919 to change that. Well we will, Like if we could 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.200 ski right now, we'd go, but it'd be weird and 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.799 stick the landing and stick the arrow like arrow goes 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.200 in the twelve ring, stick to landing on a gold 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.320 metal run. Like what's the I mean you're describing the 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:44.880 two differences, but those two success points, like what remove 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.879 the audience from the skiing part? Just just you, yeah, 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.239 just me, And and that's that's something that I've always had. 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.239 It It's been both a benefit and the drawback for 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.520 me as a skier because I have these natural mountain 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.799 man tendencies where I don't need to train with a crew. 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.960 I can train. I Actually some of my best training 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:06.359 is by myself. I mean not even not even by 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.520 myself with a coach or by myself with a friend. 0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:12.080 It's just literally me and the half pipe. That's where 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.480 I sometimes do my best work. And so yeah, yeah, 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.080 I I can. I don't have a hard time removing 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.080 the crowd from the situation because when I'm out there 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:22.600 trying to do a new run or trying to land 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:24.880 what might win a gold medal at the end of 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.160 the day, I'm not necessarily doing it for the crowd. 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:28.799 I'm not going to say that the crowd doesn't add 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.760 to the experience and isn't awesome to have them stoked 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.319 for it. But I would do it anyways even if 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:42.680 they weren't there. So, um, there eerily similar those two feelings, uh, 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.000 And I would describe it in the sense that, um, 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.480 especially when when you look at the Olympics, right, the 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.120 Olympics is every four years. I only compete in one event, 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:56.319 So I worked, essentially on paper, I work for four 0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:00.799 years for thirty five seconds and a half pipe. Yeah, 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.120 it's four years of effort. It's four years of timing, 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.279 it's four years of blood, sweat and tears, and it 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.279 all comes down to that one moment. And I would 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.480 say that that is the greatest parallel that I The 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.839 bow hunting is actually the closest parallel that I've ever 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:18.120 found to that same feeling with a bow, more so 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.640 than a rifle, more more so than any other form 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.040 of hunting. You have to practice quite a bit. You 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.920 gotta practice all year long. You gotta stay fit, you 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:27.880 gotta be in shape, you gotta do your scouting. You 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:29.680 gotta know you're gonna be able to find the animals. 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.560 Then when you get to the zone where you know 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.359 you're gonna find the animals because you've been doing all 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.880 your scouting ahead of time, and you feel confident that 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.480 you can shoot because you've been shooting so much, you 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:41.719 still have to see the animals. They still have to 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.760 be in a place where you can make an effective stock. 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:47.479 All those things have to line up. So that would 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.520 be that that would be the parallel to me maybe 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.080 qualifying for the Olympic team. It's like, okay, here I am, 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:58.719 I'm ready for the Olympics. Close, yeah, but I still 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.239 have to make the dang team. And then you make 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.800 the team. You know, you get say you close the distance, 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.080 your your hundred yards away now and you can maybe 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.400 it's time to blast off a little cal call, bringing 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.800 in just a little closer into the into the zone. 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.360 And that's me, you know, making the qualifiers. I've qualified, 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.920 you know for finals at the Olympics. Is top twelve, Okay, 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.520 I qualified. I'm in the top twelve. I get to 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.080 compete in the finals at the Olympic Games. That's That's 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:26.960 that when you close that distance between a hundred and 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.080 fifty on an elk, and then it all comes down 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.000 to that one moment and can you execute so you're 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.080 in range, the elk doesn't know you're there, that whatever 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.960 the animal you're hunting is doesn't know you're there. Can 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.320 you still, with your heart pounding, with all of that 0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.920 pressure on you still drawback, take a deep breath, and 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.759 execute the shot that you want to execute. And that's 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:51.560 kind of how it feels that the Olympics is like 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.880 everything everything goes to that one moment, but you can 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.640 still totally fuck it up in that last moment. You know. 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:04.000 I joke often about the fact that my main job 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.200 at the Olympics is to not blow it. You know, 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.759 it's like you got there, everything is lined up, but 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.399 you still have to not blow it in the same 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:15.040 way that you have to treat hunting is like I 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.960 know that arrow, how to get that air to that animals. 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.279 But there's plenty of done in a thousand times. You've 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.160 done it in a thousand times. But this last year 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.880 I shot an up right square in the ass. I 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.960 was like, oh yeah, when he's coming in view, Oh yeah, daddy, 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.080 oh yeah, he's thirty three yards steady stops and I 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.640 just shot it right in the ass. And I thought, yeah, 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.200 for me, that for you jumping up doing the halfway 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:44.879 probably like jumping into the crowd steak. Here's here's where 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.000 the here's where my analogy falls apart right at your 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:52.800 wife coming back internet different analogies. Uh. Here my my 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.840 analogy between comparing skiing and hunting. Uh. At the Olympics, 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.880 I get three tries. It's the best of three format. 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.040 Don't know how many hunts are best of three formats, 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.520 but uh. But because because that's how the Olympics went 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.719 from me this year I was having on my first run, 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:13.680 potentially what would have ever would have always gone down 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:15.560 for me in my mind as the best run of 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:18.480 my life. I was literally landing the tricks, I was 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.400 going higher, and I was landing the tricks cleaner and 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.880 making everything as smooth as I have ever done it, 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.719 and my ski just popped off, And that would that 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.279 would be kind of you know, if we're if we're 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.359 gonna I'm I'm as people are probably aware by now. 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.040 I'm pretty I'm a pretty big fan of analogies. That 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.279 would be the equivalent of your your rest breaking or 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:41.239 your de loop breaking is like, oh, maybe switching, yeah, 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.320 or the wind switching. Exactly. You did everything right and 0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.120 there's one thing that you have no control over. It 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.960 went wrong. That happened on my first run, and I 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:49.160 was like, I was kind of like, I was a 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.040 little flustered, but but I've been doing this long enough 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.799 that I can. I can, you know, shrug my shoulders, wipe, 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:57.400 wipe the dirt off my shoulders, and go up and 0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.520 do another one. It happened again on the second round, 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.680 and I was like, this is ridiculous, Like the first 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.279 of all, this kind of thing doesn't happen to me 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.680 at all. It maybe happens once or twice a season, 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:09.480 you have a you have we we would call it 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.880 a binding prerelease, where you're you're binding releases in a 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.160 situation where it shouldn't have and that will happen to 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:16.880 me once or twice a season and you kind of 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:18.800 just you kind of just brush it off and move on. 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:22.279 It just happens. The the amount of torque that we're 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.960 putting on skis is more than any design any manufacturer 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:29.880 ever intended skis to have any any that then they 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.600 ever intended. So you don't get special bindings, are they are? Yeah, 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:36.799 my skis are custom made. My bindings are custom made. 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.680 But I'm just saying those tolerances even then, I'm pushing 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.160 the level of the tolerances. So at some point, every 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.320 once in a while you have a fluke binding issue. 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.640 It happens. But to have it happened twice in one 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:48.600 day and have it be have that day that it 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:50.840 happens twice in one day be the Olympic Games was 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.960 kind of ridiculous. I mean it was silly, and so 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.200 I was going into my third run and and I 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.680 was kind of mad. I was mad between my second 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.359 and third run, and I was like, this is really 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.640 how this story is gonna go, Like, after everything I 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.360 put into this, is this how the story is gonna go. 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.160 Because I went through some pretty hard seasons getting back 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:11.040 to the Olympics. Uh. But then I just kind of 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:12.879 laughed kind of the same way that you do when 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.480 you are going on a hunt and and you're just 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:19.759 kind of like, well the wind switch, man, Like I 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:21.600 don't have any control over that, and that's how I. 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.320 That's how I. That's like kind of that whimsical field 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.640 that I had going into my third run, It's like, no, 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.200 I just reminded myself. I was like, look, man, you 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.920 did everything that you were capable of doing, and things 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:37.520 went wrong. We're going to crank those bindings up as 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.279 high as they go. On my third run, if I 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.960 had crashed my my my legs would have broken before 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:44.880 my bindings came up. The thing, things weren't coming off 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:46.799 on that third run. We put them all the way 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.279 at the top, which is obviously not that safe. Not 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:57.200 something what bindings are, right, I don't know. Let me 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.040 let me inform you by the binding is the thing 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.160 that you you used to attached your foot to the ski. 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:03.400 It's the thing that you click into so you so 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.320 there's a heel piece and a toe piece kind of 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.600 kind of similar to, uh, just a pair of a 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.680 really good pair of boots. Is like you you click 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.279 the toe in and then you click the heal in. 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:17.239 That thing keeps you attached to the ski. And the 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.440 dudes that are hardcore, uh, they had a couple of 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.920 people once tell me, um, better than knees than the skis, 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.120 meaning that they're going to crank up those bindings so 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.160 that that ski never comes off because they want to 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:31.680 stay with their ski, not lose it somewhere off in 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.360 the woods that they crash whatever. They'd rather just have 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.600 a blown out knee. That's kind of That's kind of 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.400 the approach that I had to that third run is like, 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.520 I'm for it because it's the Olympics and because I've 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:43.920 been working so hard to get here. I'm going to 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.240 crank these things all the way up with the confidence 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.200 that I'm going to land it. So I'm worried that 0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:50.680 people don't understand, like truly what you're talking about. You're 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.879 talking about cause I watched the Olympic Games. Um kind 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.319 of with Remy, we were texting back and forth when 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.600 you won the gold. We're not talking about just I 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.560 just jump up and do a couple of ends and land. 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.800 This is like how many how many rotations do you 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.440 go through on one of these? Uh? Can you back up? 0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:08.560 If we're gonna go go here, let's back up all 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.560 the way to like, yes, tell us about the half pipe, 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.719 the depth of the half pipe, because that alone, like 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.200 to stand in the mid in the bottom of the 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.319 half pipe that these guys ride and look up at 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:22.440 those walls that they're riding. I mean, I'm a decent skier. 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.080 I'll ski most everything on this mountain that we're sitting 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:26.960 next to. But to even come up to that lip 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.440 and just confidently ski off of it and down to 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.959 the half pipe, it's it's it gets you know, butterflies 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.839 a little bit, you know. I would say, I would 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:39.720 say the half pipe is probably the most uh daunting 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.799 looking feature that you can ski on skiing. I mean 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.040 it's a twenty two football basically vertical wall. Most of 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.959 the time, they're pretty icy because they construct these things 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:50.919 and it's not like they can keep at once they've 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.000 constructed it. They can't keep adding fresh snow so that 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.640 it's nice and soft and chalky. It's like no once 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.160 you've built it, it stays there. So they're usually pretty 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.319 icy and um, the margin for air is really slim 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.120 because I'm taking off and landing on the same surface, 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.640 just like half pipe on a skateboard or a BMX 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.439 bike or anything else. So if I pop a little 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.279 too hard pop is our term for jumping. If I 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:13.959 jump a little too hard off the takeoff, I'll land 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.560 way out in the middle, you know, where it's flat 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.480 and if I pop a little, if I don't pop enough, uh, 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:22.800 then I'll land on what on the deck or on 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.520 the coping where which is the flat part beyond the 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:29.719 vertical part. Yeah, I'm getting it. So it's it's a 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.560 daunting I'm getting no. No, no, I watched it, so 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:34.160 I know what it looks like. I'm visually, but I 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.640 just just the description of, like I look at these hills, 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:39.600 I'm like, I can't go down that, like I hike 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.800 up it and walk down it. But just just a 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:45.480 description of being in your head speeding down that son 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.040 of a bit going up the other side. That's to me. 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.239 That is how much actual vert is is of the 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:54.719 twenty two ft is vertical wall. How it's the last 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.080 three or four feet. It's near it's actually not it's 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.040 actually not ninety degrees, it's about eighties eight, six eighty 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.440 nine anywhere. And they're depending on who's cutting it and 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.800 how their night went last night or whatever. So but 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.240 another thing people have to think about is you compared 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.560 the half pipe, you know, like to skateboarding and BMX, 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.440 but not only are you moving vertically, you're moving very 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.920 fast horizontally yep, so you're at That's one of the 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.839 one of the main differences skiing and snowbarning. Half pipe 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.239 are are a half pipe that's built on a hill. 0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:28.319 It's it's built apparel, it's built down a hill. So, um, 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:30.760 the way the only way that we can generate enough speed. 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.920 We're going my I think my Olympic run of average 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:36.960 seventeen or eighteen ft out of the half pipe. So 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.680 on each hit, I'm going eighteen feet out of a 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.879 twenty two ft How fast you going into the half 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:47.840 pipe thirty five to forty miles, But that's in the 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:49.799 that's in the flats. When I start. As soon as 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:51.480 you hit the wall, you're you're going up a hill, 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:53.680 so you slow down. I'm not going thirty five miles 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.719 an hour. Off the takeoff or I'd probably go thirty 0:45:55.760 --> 0:46:00.760 five ft out it's so um but so yeah, we're traveling. 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.560 Not only just not we're not we're taking off and 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.360 landing on the same surface. But each air I'm probably 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.680 eating up six seventy a half pipe. So from takeoff 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.800 to landing, uh, is anywhere between forty five and sixty 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:19.120 five feet down the half pipe. So yeah, that's yards 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.120 in archery terms. Yeah, we're gonna keep baking. There's a 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.920 lot of travel. Uh yeah, and each each hit, I 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.279 guess since we're going there, I'll give you a good 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.560 overview of of my sport and what I did. Don't 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:35.160 be shy, we won't. Um. So I average just say 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:39.200 this for listeners. We're gonna get to my turkey hunting things, 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.200 hunting talk. It's way more interesting. We're going to get 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.640 to that. Go. We'll get there. Um. On average, there's 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.480 five hits in a run, so it's in it's a 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:54.120 combination five or six. Sometimes there's six, and most of 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.759 the time it's five. Occasionally there's a half pipe that's 0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:00.160 extra long, we'll get seven. Uh. And occasionally there and 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.160 a half five it's extra short and we get four. 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.600 But most of the time it's five or six and 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.560 you're scored on all five of those tricks, and if 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:09.560 you do four out of five and mess up the 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.200 last one, you still get a fall score. It's just 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.560 it's you can't you can't do well with a with 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:18.720 a following around at all. Um. The judging is based 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.759 around quite a few criteria, but just to simplify it, 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.400 I'll say it's based around how high you go, the 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.120 difficulty of the tricks that you do, and how well 0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.640 you execute those tricks. Well, I'll do four, how will 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.960 you execute the tricks, and how stylish you are And 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.879 a huge part of free skiing. Free skiing originated because 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:37.879 we wanted to do things differently than all the other 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:39.640 sports that were out there. We didn't want to race, 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.520 we didn't want to wear spandex, we didn't necessarily want 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:44.960 to ski the moguls anymore. We didn't want to do aerials, 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.239 We didn't want to do anything that was similar to 0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.279 what was being done. We wanted to do things our 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.759 own way, and so style is a huge part of it. 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.640 And a way that you can recognize good style is 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.120 somebody who takes something that looks really hard and makes 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.600 it look easy. That's style or what we do, what 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:04.319 we ste styling, and uh so we're judged on all 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.560 those four criteria and the guy who can do all 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.160 four of those can go really high, do technical tricks, 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.480 execute them well. That means landing high, carrying their speed well, 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.920 and add that element of style. That's the guy who 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:24.880 wins at the end of the day. Ste No, I 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:31.799 don't have style, orse like everything looks harder. I give 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.520 you skiers props too, because I came from snowboarding and 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:39.040 probably went I changed to his being a skier in 0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:43.960 like two thousand and one too, somewhere in there. And 0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.040 that was after twenty years of snowboard man. So I 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.600 was like, die in the wool man. That was like 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:50.880 my thing, you know, it was a skateboard and whatnot. 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.439 And so when skiers first started dropping into half pipe, 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:59.319 so I was like, what is this bullshit? But then man, 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.840 they progress us and the next thing, you know, snowboards 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.680 could only make it out fifteen feet. And the next thing, 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:11.839 now you're talking like you're so maybe I was off. 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:13.480 They were going out at ten and all of sudden, 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:18.440 skiers and that's the reality is there. There's some physical 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:21.719 there's physical reasons for that. Right, snowboard you have one 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:24.439 edge on on skis you have too. Um, there there's 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:26.279 things that are easier on a snowboard. There's there's there's 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.279 things that are easier on skis. That's why I mean 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.600 the guys I like to hang out with and and 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.839 actually inspire me the most are snowboarders at right. Yeah, 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:38.600 because uh, I think it's important to not spend too 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.239 much time with people who are just like you. And 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.400 so there's things that I can see on from the 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.920 snowboarding guys and I'm like, ah, man, I feel like 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.000 we could do that on skis. And that's where I 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:50.920 draw some inspiration from. It's it's sort of like a 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.440 secret source because everybody's like, where do you come up 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.200 with all this stuff from? And I'm like, well, what 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:59.960 kind of somebody else? Stealing from somebody that you aren't 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:04.680 looking to. I like, that is there. Um, you got 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.239 a lot of adulation, right, You got a lot of 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.600 people coming up to you saying thank you or congratulations 0:50:10.719 --> 0:50:13.759 or whatever people say adulation. That's it's great. Where I 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.800 put that in my repertoire word of the day calendar, 0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:22.160 um describe that the adulation. I mean, you just want 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:26.640 to ask you award? Right, how many days ago? Not 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:31.040 long today, Saturday? I wanted on Thursday, Thursday, you were 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.919 in l A walking the red carpet, all kinds of people. 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:38.040 Now you're here walking the walking side, walking side of 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.040 the mountain. Is that just this has nothing to do 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:43.800 with anything other than that adulation, you know, I know 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:47.160 it's temporary in the in the Olympics sense. But as 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:50.439 that adulation comes, and as as people you know, read 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.760 these things and give you praise, do you find yourself 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.040 more defensive or do you fall into it? You fall 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:59.840 into like I was great, fuck it like I was 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.200 because you were. You were better than everybody in the 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:05.879 world for that one month that time. I always wondered 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:10.160 that about people that experience those crazy highs. You fall 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.759 into that high and just be like I'm going Or 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.480 is there some defensiveness, like, man, I'm a skier, I 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.640 just did that one thing really well. They gave me 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:20.640 a big shiny thing. But that is there somewhere in 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:22.640 the middle there for you or definitely you get you 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:24.600 get the gold medal for that question, because that's a 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:29.120 really good question. Um. I think I've I think I've 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:32.279 definitely fallen victim to both both sides of it, and uh, 0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.800 I think the more mature you are, the more you 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:39.160 realize that that stuff is temporary and that adulation is 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:43.000 is fleeting. And that's why I think it's most it's 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.239 more important to surround yourself with people who knew who 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:50.520 you were before you had any success than it is 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.280 to surround yourself with people who really like you, because 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:58.360 I've I think we've all seen it in Hollywood, and 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:01.120 I mean, I'm sure we've all had we all have 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.600 personal experiences with people who had a little more success 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:07.520 than they expected to, or they got what they wanted 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.120 and suddenly they weren't that cool to you anymore. And 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.680 that is the last thing that I want to have 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.880 happened to me. You know. The reality is I feel 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:19.720 like everything that I have is a gift. I didn't 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:22.520 make myself. I didn't choose how how how tall I 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:24.440 was going to be yet and choose the fact that 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.040 I was gonna grow up in a family that would 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:30.879 would sell out and support my dreams. Um we didn't 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.439 as a family, wouldn't go on a family vacation. Ever, 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:37.239 the first vacation that I went to a sunny place 0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:39.560 where you know, the sunshines and I could surf. Was 0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:42.640 with my wife after the first elymp after my first Olympics, 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.880 because and I'm not complaining, I'm I'm just saying that 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.880 my parents we sacrificed every dollar that we had, in 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:51.680 every moment of vacation time that we could to support 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:55.239 both my ski career and my sister's ski careers. So um, 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.719 that's not that's something I can't take credit for. How 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.200 can I take credit for that that I did do 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:04.120 any of that stuff? So realizing that even though for 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.800 that one moment, I did execute as well as I 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:10.200 could have, and I did win that gold medal, even 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:12.400 in that moment, I can't take credit for it because 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.000 all of those things that got me there were gifts. 0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:19.680 So um, I like to my my goal with that 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:23.359 adulation is to share it. I'm like, hey, look, I'm 0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:25.759 glad you're excited about what I did, because I think 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.640 skiing is super eff and cool too. I I think 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.160 you should go ski half pipe. I really do. So 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.000 I want to. I want to sort of embrace that 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.680 excitement around my sport and what I do. At the 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.480 same time, I want to be like look, this belongs 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:42.480 to you too. This isn't just mine and I I'm 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.279 just a guy who likes who's doing what he likes 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.239 to do. And uh. Another one of my huge motivations 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:52.000 in my public persona is is inspiring kids to do 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:54.359 what they want to do too. I don't care if 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.239 it has happens to be half five skiing or not, 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:00.960 but I would I would describe my elf as not 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:03.879 necessarily the most talented person ever. You know, I wasn't 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:05.759 the kid who was a phenom. I was never the 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:08.359 kid that people picked out from a lineup and said 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.560 that kid's gonna be something someday. I just I was 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:14.719 born without that. I was born without the takes no 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.560 for an answer gene like. I just I was just like, 0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:19.880 I don't really care how good I am now. I 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.040 think I can get there, and I would just chip 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:23.879 away at it, one day at a time, one one 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:26.560 contest at a time, one one trick at a time. 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:29.239 All of a sudden, the kids who were the phenoms 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:31.520 that everybody was talking about and saying that kid's gonna 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.120 be something someday, we're losing to me. And there they 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.840 didn't understand why. And so that's my That's one of 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.080 the main things that I try to talk to uh, 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.799 the youth or or even even adults, because everybody has 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.200 something they can they can be inspired by. That's what 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.160 always what I say is, don't focus on where you're 0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:48.800 at right now, don't focus on what people tell you 0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.000 you don't have enough of focus on what you do 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.120 have and make it a little better. What is it 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:55.680 you want to do, Get a little better and so um, 0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:59.480 that would be my that that's my uh six years 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:03.799 removed persup. UH perception of the adulation of of winning 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:07.480 an Olympic gold medal is like it is, uh certainly 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.640 one of the most overwhelming things. And I've spent time 0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:12.600 thinking I was the coolest thing in the world. And 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.399 I've been reminded by I've been reminded by the people 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.279 in my life who really love me that I'm not 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:19.480 that I'm not that cool. I'm really just the nerd 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.560 who likes to ski at the end of the day. 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:25.279 So UM, I think it's important to surround yourself with 0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.800 people who know who you are deep down, and not 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.200 with people who are who are who are just saying 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.319 your name and saying you're the coolest thing ever. Because 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:34.520 that's what happens. I think to two people in Hollywood 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:39.200 is they just they get so much adoration, and the 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.640 reality is those people who are coming up to you 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.160 on the street, you could do something that was totally 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:47.319 messed up and not cool, and they'd still be like, Wow, 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.040 I don't care, You're the coolest. And as soon as 0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:51.800 you get too many people are like that around you, 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.400 you're in a dangerous spot. So I try to avoid that. 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.160 I try to avoid having people in my core group 0:55:57.480 --> 0:55:59.800 who think anything I do is cool. I like to 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:01.360 have the people around me who tell me, David, that 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:03.279 was not that was not that, that was not that tight. 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:07.200 I don't like how you're your motherfucker. I like that. 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.080 I've had a lot of like most of the guests 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:14.520 on this podcasts have been, you know, high level hunting folks. 0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.080 I don't know how to describe, like there's no comparison 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:19.320 to what you do to hunting world type of stuff, 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.319 but most of the people have have experienced some kind 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:26.759 of adulation based on their hunting life. Yanni has to 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:30.520 some extent, like Sam has some extent. There's these are 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.520 tiny little blips on the radar, but these are still 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.319 somebody come up to be like what you do is cool, 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:40.440 Like that's the first time that happens to everyone, whether 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.320 you're hunting or skiing or whatever. I feel like that 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.439 just kind of it can either go a good way 0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:49.760 or it can go a really bad way. Yeah, I agree. 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.359 Do you think about that, Yanni ever? Like because you're 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.480 I mean, you're on the it's good good to stay humble, 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.200 you know, stay humble, Sam, I'm just gonna be a 0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:00.960 full bad way. Yeah. Let that go to my start, 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:04.320 just starting, just starting handling. Sign a sign, an autograph. 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:07.439 But like you ever seen the bus sign your baby? 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:09.320 I always carry a sharpie. I sign a lot of 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.080 things people don't want to to. I've ruined a lot 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.600 of just you know, like memorability that people got just 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:16.840 for being an event. I've drawn a lot of busses 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:20.400 on people's T shirts. I'll tell you that right now. No, 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:22.400 I think Yoh's right. I think it's it's good to 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:25.440 stay humble, and it's just you at the end. I 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.160 think the best quote I've ever heard as far as 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:29.840 people in the hunting industry, no matter how many people 0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.800 know who you are in the hunting industry, you're not famous. 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.800 I think that that's a very good equipta d Yeah, 0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.800 it doesn't matter how big you are in skiing, you're 0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:44.600 still just a skier. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.280 to put it. Totally fine. We're gonna spend this off 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:51.040 now to the turkey topic because I really liked turkeys 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:53.280 and Yanni is a big turkey hunting right Ni would 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:58.919 you describe speaking of being good at skiing t hunting? Yeah? 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:04.080 Out what level of turkey hunter are you? How much? 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:10.880 How much compared to my passion? Like right now it 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.720 it might be number one? Do you think so? For me? 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:19.080 Right now and at this time it's number one for me, Sam, 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.600 Where does it rank for you? I would say probably 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:27.920 number two because behind what I love deer hunting. It 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:29.680 doesn't matter if it's white, tyler, mule deer. I just 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.440 love deer hunting. Okay, So, David, have you ever run 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:35.280 in Turkey's? What's Let's let me bring up another analogy 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:38.320 since that's my that's my theme, my wife and turkey hunter. 0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.800 Since I'm sitting with three very avid turkey hunters, I'm 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:48.840 gonna be I've heard a sportscaster this Olympics talk about 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:52.720 how there should always be like a layman for every 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.920 every time you have an intense Olympic sport, you should 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.480 always have somebody who's just a random er pulled from 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:00.920 the crowd so that everybody can unders and exactly how 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:04.560 hard this is. Uh and and I think Half Life 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:07.520 is a great example of that, where there there should 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.760 be somebody who just skis up that thing and is terrified, 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:14.120 just to show you that it's actually terrifying. Like me, like, yeah, 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:17.200 next time you would film a pipe video, I'm gonna 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:18.440 have you come and be there and it would just 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:20.520 be me screaming. That's all you would hear. There go. 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:25.560 So I'm the turkey layman in the group. I've literally 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.640 never hinted a turkey in my life. That's good to hear, 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:32.200 but it's now apparently because I respect all three of 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:34.800 you and your opinions. If you think turkey hunting is 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.440 that dang cool, there must be something I'm missing because 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.080 I grew up in Nevada where you gotta put in 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:42.880 for seven years and get seven years of bonus points 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:44.920 to maybe draw a turkey tach. I like that. I 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:48.040 like that, that's that's your and I've never bothered because 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.400 it's the wrong season. Well there's there's yeah, there's other 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:53.760 things that other things to do, like mule deer and elkins, 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:58.720 every other thing. Um, Turkey hunting is the best because 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:05.080 why um, speaking of being humbled, you can get your 1:00:05.160 --> 1:00:08.760 ass humbled on a consistent basis chasing those birds. And 1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:11.400 that probably is one of the reasons that it's hard. 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:13.360 In the moment, it's hard, kind of hard to say. 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:17.200 When he just walks away from you and you get humbled, 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:19.960 you're like, yeah, that's why I love it. In that moment, 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:21.840 it's hard to say that. But looking back over the 1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:24.080 course of the season, where I got to hunt eighteen 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:29.440 days and I think I killed three birds, um, and 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:31.560 that had probably for three birds that I killed, there 1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:36.440 was probably ten birds that I'm interacted with and I 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:39.720 didn't kill them like you know, and I could again, 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:41.480 I consider myself to be a good hunter, and so 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:45.040 did to have that playing field be right there. Had 1:00:45.080 --> 1:00:49.040 I killed all thirteen, I don't know how I feel 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:52.480 about it, right. Sam describes them sometimes like puffed up 1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:55.080 rumas like they're just rolling around, they don't know what's 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.240 going on. I like to believe they're so dumb that 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:02.200 they're hard to hunt because they there is no rhyme. Yeah, 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:04.520 turkey really does never know where he's going. They have 1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:07.320 no idea. So I described it as a puffed up 1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:10.480 room because they fly down and then they puff up 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:12.440 and then they just walk around and they like run 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:13.680 into the edge of the field and then they just 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:15.520 go to the other direction and they hit that edge 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:17.280 of the field and they go into the woods and 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:19.280 then like a half hour later just like pop back out. 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:21.160 So you know they're in there, just like hitting trees 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:25.720 back and forth and eating bugs and you know, just 1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:30.640 chasing huh yeah, let it all. But let them see 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.280 a glimpse of a kyo on the far side of 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:37.360 that field yards away, and they're like and they just 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:42.080 melt into the ground, just gone gone. That's why they're 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:44.520 so great because they're so unpredictable. Don't know what the 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:46.280 turkey is gonna do, because the fucking turkey doesn't know 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:49.680 what it's going to do. And then at some level 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:54.240 that switches on when that turkey knows what it wants 1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:57.200 and you know what it wants, and you've got to 1:01:57.200 --> 1:02:00.080 play that game and you're talking to a raptor like 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:04.280 that's for like this is a mini dinosaurs sleeps. It's 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:08.920 a uh sleeps and trees and it's got rapture like 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:11.360 hooks on the back of its legs and it flies 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:14.640 down out and you talk to it and it comes in. 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:19.880 You're like, hey, on my hand so and it's like, yeah, okay, 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:24.000 I see you. I'm looking to have some I'm go 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:26.680 the fuck. And then it's like yeah, okay, I want that. 1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:29.360 Then it starts coming and maybe it's just hooking up. 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.400 What are you really down? Like, I don't really see 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:34.120 you moving around too much? And you got per get 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:38.200 it in these last little bits of like tantalizing sounds 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:41.360 that that turkey's gonna have. It finally comes in. It 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:43.520 checks up on the decoy and it starts to strut, 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:48.040 spit druns. It's like oscillating feathers and its wings are 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:50.000 moving back and forth, and it's just it doesn't have 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:51.680 any idea what it's doing. It's a room at that 1:02:51.760 --> 1:02:53.480 point because this is like I'm about to get it on, 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:55.280 but I'm not sure how to do it. I'm gonna 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:58.400 take a couple of circles and then like that moment 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:00.720 happens when you're ready to shoot it. And you shoot 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:03.080 it and you always have. Like the flopping turkey is, 1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:06.040 in my mind, the number one thing you can see 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:09.600 in the woods, Like the flopping turkeys. Your guy that 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:11.520 likes to flop, you don't like to just when they 1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:13.400 fold up and fall over. I'm not saying I like 1:03:13.560 --> 1:03:16.200 the fact that they're flopping around. I just like the 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:19.080 fact that that that entire dance is played out and 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.320 now I'm successful. I'm not saying I disrespect the thing 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:23.440 as it's dying or like enjoy the death of it, 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:26.760 but I enjoy like it gets me going to know 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:30.000 that I've just had a conversation to some level with 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:34.000 a wild raptor that sleeps in trees, flies down every 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:38.120 morning and has little to no chance to really know 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:41.120 what it's doing. But like that that dance, to me 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:45.200 is it's more intense than elk cutting. I feel like, yeah, 1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:47.600 I'm still at the point where every time one is 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:51.280 flopping or folds over dead, I'm kind of relieved and like, 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:53.880 oh my god, I can't believe that happened, Like I 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:57.280 can't believe he's dead. Yeah, yes, that's I think. Why 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:00.480 the flop is It's such a satisfactory thing, Like that happened. 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:04.600 I did that. I used a fucking piece of wood 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:10.840 that's some fellow crafted to make noises to a giant, 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:13.479 you know bird that just came in and I'm gonna 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:14.920 eat it. It's gonna be glorious and some of the 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:17.440 best meat ever. That's another reason, Like you say you 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:21.160 grew up, Dave, Yeah, I think. Uh not to interrupt you, sorry, 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:25.480 I really resonated with the fact you talked about this, uh, 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:26.960 this thing that we're gonna get into a little later, 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:28.760 so I won't I won't spoil. But you talked about 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:31.480 shooting enough turkeys to not have to buy white meat 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:35.919 for the year, and that you have like, because that's 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:38.480 so foreign to me. Turkey hunting hasn't appealed to me 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:41.640 anymore than it ever did. In that moment when you 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:43.880 said that, I was like, oh, I could I could 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.960 get into that, because the reality is in my house, 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.000 we don't need any we don't eat anything that's red 1:04:49.080 --> 1:04:52.840 meat that's not game. Um. I've and that's you know, God, 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:55.720 given I've had some very successful years. I've had a 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:57.920 couple of a couple of years in a row, three 1:04:57.960 --> 1:04:59.160 years in a row where I've been able to kill 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:00.640 a deer in an elk and a couple of times, 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:03.760 uh too too elk in a deer. So I've got 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:07.240 lots of meat around. I'm actually kind of getting getting dry. 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:08.720 So we're gonna need We're gonna need to go hunt 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:11.640 again here pretty soon. But um, being able to just 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:13.800 pull from the freezer and never have to go to 1:05:13.840 --> 1:05:16.160 the store for red meat is amazing to me, and 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:18.640 in the qualities ten times better. So when you said 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:21.400 that about white meat, and I was like, man, all right, 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:23.080 do you guys eat chicken? Do you guys eat chicken 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:26.120 like store about chicken and lunch meat like turkey and whatnot? 1:05:26.480 --> 1:05:29.720 You guys, Sam, you eat a lot of chicken storebroll chicken, 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:35.200 probably half dozen chickens. Well, now we have chickens, so 1:05:35.240 --> 1:05:36.919 it's probably last year. I don't know if we bought 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:39.000 any of the chicken. But prior to that, Yeah, And 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:41.400 Steve said this about like what his brother says, like 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:46.720 the store bought chicken. You simply cannot replicate that going 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:49.280 up on the mountain. No, it's just like even shooting 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:51.840 a while at turkey. You can roast that thing a 1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:54.320 special way you want. You're not getting what you get 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:57.120 when you take out getting a vacuum sealed thing. They 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:59.120 just lived in a barn and like stood in one 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.320 area for oh, not necessarily. I mean, I mean we 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:04.840 grew chickens that basically just ran around our yard. And 1:06:04.960 --> 1:06:07.680 when you roast that chicken, man, it's a different animal. 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:10.840 It's just been domesticated over you know, over time. Yeah, 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:16.640 and it's greasy and buttery, and it's been genetically bread 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:20.320 to be delicious. Exactly whereas the turkeys that were hunting, 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:21.959 the elk that we're hunting, the deer that were hunting, 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:25.160 even though they do so happen to be delicious, they didn't. 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:27.680 They weren't bread to be delicious. And they just are delicious. 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:29.360 That not even if you put like little bowls of 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:31.760 butter and garlic out in the field that they'd come 1:06:31.800 --> 1:06:34.320 and eat, or maybe even in your backyard, would you 1:06:34.360 --> 1:06:38.080 ever feed them butter or anything like that. They eat scraps, 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:40.000 you know, so I'm sure there's some butter in there. 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:47.520 Sometimes he's lookingna be like the fucking dumb question. All right, 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:52.120 Well we'll go back to here's mine. Everybody has said 1:06:52.160 --> 1:06:54.440 it in this room, Like there's the red meat thing 1:06:54.480 --> 1:06:56.200 we're all dialed in on if you kill an elk, 1:06:57.200 --> 1:07:00.440 you have a family of four, Correctly, you've got a 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:01.920 family of four. I've got a family of three, and 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:05.800 you just live in a bus. It takes more than 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:08.880 one elk, more than one elk right in my house. Yeah, 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:11.480 for me, it's like an elk, an elk and two 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:14.200 or three deer is so much that you can give 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:16.360 a lot of way to the people that you care 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:18.200 to share that with and get them excited about it 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:21.600 and still be well in hand with last season, and 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:24.040 an elk and two deer was enough for me to 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:28.479 be generous, not not overtly generous, but generous and still 1:07:28.520 --> 1:07:31.120 feed my family. But I'm down to my like last 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:33.040 ten pounds of me. Then you're starting to get nervous 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:37.000 around July. Yeah, I gave too much. I'm out here shooting. 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:38.520 I need to I need to be I need to 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:41.960 be ready to harvest when the chance comes. That's I mean, 1:07:42.000 --> 1:07:43.840 if that happened to me every year, we're late July, 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:46.960 I was kind of running out. That's you know, it's 1:07:46.960 --> 1:07:52.240 a good place to Yeah, And the reality is, because 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:55.000 I've been I've been in three years of plenty. Um 1:07:55.560 --> 1:07:58.080 if I run out. I got hunting buddies who haven't 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:00.920 you know, And and there's a community sense in that aspect. 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:03.800 They're like, oh wow, yeah, you're right when you shot 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:05.560 those two elk that one year and you gave me 1:08:05.640 --> 1:08:07.960 a bunch that was good. I got a lot. You 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:11.080 can always go to Remy's house. He's probably, yeah, he's 1:08:11.560 --> 1:08:14.000 talking to me about that guy, like I'd like to 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:16.360 have some bongo and a little bit of tar beating, 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:19.880 like a couple of freezers from that. Yeah, we all 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:22.680 know plenty of people that aren't getting through everything that 1:08:22.720 --> 1:08:25.360 they're killing now. No, not at all. I would put 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:28.080 myself in that. This is kind of you start to 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:31.000 you understand, Like, man, we eat a lot of backstripping 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:35.360 tendeling around my house. It's a first world meeting and 1:08:35.439 --> 1:08:38.599 we're doing right now. Um. But for the turkey part, 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:41.439 like my wife, about two years ago, my wife started 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:43.559 saying to me, I started getting frustrated with the chicken 1:08:43.600 --> 1:08:46.760 we were running because my fault was like, let's buy 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:49.880 chickens and salter and or figure something out. And she 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:52.040 just said, I don't want to eat red meat all 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:55.000 the time. I want other options. Um. And I was 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:57.840 frustrated with the night tratee turkey meat we were eating 1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:00.840 and the pretty chick in that we were buying. And 1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:03.800 of course over that time we've shifted up those types 1:09:03.840 --> 1:09:05.920 of habits to make sure ship is organic and a 1:09:05.960 --> 1:09:08.080 little more comfortable with that. But at the same time, 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:10.640 it's like that doesn't jive with my the way that 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:12.000 I want to live my life, the way that I 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:14.400 want to eat my meat. And so it feels like 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:16.840 a little bit of a fallacy to be like, I'm 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:19.559 a wild game guy, you know, eat with your killed 1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:21.559 type thing. But then when it comes to white meater, 1:09:21.640 --> 1:09:24.000 like I'll buy a chicken here, They're just to make 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:26.439 sure we have a little variety, and so we I 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:28.879 try to sit down and think about how many turkeys 1:09:29.479 --> 1:09:32.800 I would have to shoot to eliminate the chicken that 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:35.360 we bought. Now, I also put for point empstence, I 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:39.759 put in there like doves and pheasants and or quail 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:41.960 in Texas, like how much of that do I need 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:44.800 to have to make sure that we don't have this 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.719 first world problem, but a problem nonetheless for the lifestyle 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:52.200 that we want. And I came up with ten turkeys, legs, breast, 1:09:53.040 --> 1:09:56.719 the entire thing for a year would get my family, 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.519 there's three of us, get us through without having to 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:02.760 buy any chicken or any lunch meat or anything like that. 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:06.000 So that's my mission. And now that's been two years ago. 1:10:06.400 --> 1:10:08.040 And then at that time of my goal of killing 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:11.479 twenty turkeys, I've killed I think eight of them, but 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:14.479 I still have that goal every damn year to kill 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:16.360 ten turkeys. How did you come up with the number? 1:10:17.520 --> 1:10:21.400 I looked at how much yield you get from turkey breast, 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:23.679 and how much if I cook a full turkey breast, 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:25.439 is I put on the trigger and smoke or whatever, 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:27.719 how much we can get from that. So we generally 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:33.200 would get just from that, just just kind of medallion 1:10:33.800 --> 1:10:37.719 roasted turkey. We could generally get one dinner and about 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:40.639 three or four or five lunches from one breast, depending 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:43.519 on what we were doing. And so then you're looking 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:48.800 at two breast off one turkey is going to get 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:53.439 you through generally two weeks of of living. And tried 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:56.120 to say, if we meet our consumption of white meat, 1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:57.720 then we would eventually get to the fact where we 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:01.599 got twenty breast, twenty legs, and we can get through 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:05.760 any needs we have generally for one ends up being 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.000 about ten months a time before you can refresh and 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:11.640 get get back to it. That's it's all just guesswork. 1:11:12.000 --> 1:11:14.640 But from killing like three or four turkeys a year, 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:18.360 that's like a breast every three weeks least somewhere seems good. 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:21.040 It's like just under a whole turkey a month. Yeah, 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:24.400 something like that. And because a lot of states Montana 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.880 we were talking about, you can kill five turkeys if 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:29.599 you get real real Western and in Texas you can 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:31.880 kill four if you just buy a license, and a 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:35.120 lot of states South Dakota you can kill two Miriam's Yes, uh, 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:37.680 you can kill two? Yes you can. Can you kill 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:39.200 two and then go to the Black Hields and kill 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:41.559 another one? Or is it no? You can? Well, yes 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.599 you can. You can buy leftover tags even as non residents. 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:47.280 You can get more than more than two tags. But um, 1:11:47.520 --> 1:11:49.880 if you're just doing it like right off, like if 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:51.400 you just want to buy two over the counter tags, 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:53.679 you can get a state wide archery and a Black 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:57.320 Hills shotgun tag. So you do it. And then Montana, 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:01.280 what's it looked like? Yeah, four regions where you can 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:06.200 get a specific region specific turkey tag and then um, 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:08.120 I think there's two regions where you have to use 1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:14.200 your statewide tag. Um, but so basically five times per spring. Yeah, Texas, 1:12:14.280 --> 1:12:16.960 you buy non resident license, you can kill four turkeys 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:18.880 and there's no I don't think there you can go. 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.240 You can have your entire take in one day, I think. 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:24.599 And then you know, you say you're living in Montana 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:27.240 or living somewhere out west, You've got a bunch of 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:30.040 drivable states to the point where you can get to 1:12:30.080 --> 1:12:32.200 ten if you work at it pretty hard. The way 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:36.919 that season goes, Yeah, there's only more and more turkeys everywhere, 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:40.160 it seems like, so it should get just easier. Healthy population, 1:12:40.720 --> 1:12:43.320 healthy population. David, is this convincing you full on to 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.639 go turkey? I think I gotta experience at first hand 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:49.519 first and and and think it's as cool as you 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:53.439 guys do. We're invited. Yeah, I'm I think I mentioned 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:55.679 at the beginning. I'm I'm an opportunist. I'll hunt anything 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:58.679 at any time with any weapon. I mean, my preferred 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:01.200 thing to hunt is big game with a but I'll 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:05.479 absolutely hunt turkeys. Sure sounds cool. If I convince you 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:08.920 any to go, I'll come along. Yeah, let's go with 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.280 me so much as I can on you can tend 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:12.840 do we do? We need to talk a little bit 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:17.080 about like archery hunting turkeys versus Oh yes this is something. 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:21.320 So here here's here's my layman's h perspective. I'm adding 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:25.240 to the conversation. Uh, I notice that most people hunt 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:28.960 turkeys with shotguns anyways, even people who are die hard 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:34.280 archery fans who would only some guys who are like, no, man, 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:36.960 I only hunt with a bow. I do not hunt 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:39.280 with a gun. We'll still hunt turkeys with a shotgun. 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:41.519 Why is that? That doesn't make sense to me as 1:13:41.560 --> 1:13:44.000 about hunter? Okay, as a guy, I would call myself 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:47.479 a bow hunter, but I will never again my life 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:53.120 hunt turkeys with a bow. Because people getting right into 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:57.640 the addresses that don't exist at some level, she'd right 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:00.360 in and tell me, like, where there's archery. I'm sure 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:03.640 in this country there are archery only turkey seasons at 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:06.720 some level. I'm I'm positive of that, but that is 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:10.479 not the norm in anyway. And so most times you're choosing, 1:14:11.200 --> 1:14:14.519 unlike with an elk or there's you're choosing the less 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:19.519 effective tool for whatever reason. And I'm telling it's less effective. 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:23.240 And I'll argue that with anybody for the point of 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.160 imagine if you put a you know, a candle up 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:28.200 on a string and you were it was walking around, 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:29.920 you're trying to shoot with a belt. That's hard enough. 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:33.160 But we do that as archers. We do it. But 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:37.439 imagine now if you covered that in feathers and wings 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:41.559 and a tail fan that move and oscillate and adjust 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:43.680 as it comes into struct and out of strut. And 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:45.920 now those vitals are kind of they're not moving around 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:51.000 its body, but from your advantage point, that turkey's body 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:53.519 is adjusting and moving and becoming a different size or 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:58.320 at least a different silhouette. That's the problem with turkeys 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.599 because you and be aiming for the wing butt if 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:05.640 it's or the base of the beard with a broadhead, 1:15:06.320 --> 1:15:09.320 and if that turkey goes into struct and then out 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:13.080 of struct you're aiming point becomes different. And I've I've 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:14.960 watched some of the better archers that I know of 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:19.800 put tendering turkeys and watch them flying to a tree 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:24.760 with a luminoc and sit there all night and be 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:28.960 down the next day. So given that fact that I've seen, 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:30.720 like there's no way that you can say I kill 1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:33.519 every turkey guy shoot out with a bow because I'm 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:36.839 the best that archery like that. There's just too many variables. 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.439 It's just not effective enough. But then also to add 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:42.600 to the point we're talking about eating turkey meat, you 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:45.760 are shooting it at some level ones broadside, right through 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:48.040 the meat that you want to eat, and when you 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:50.080 shoot it with a shotgun, you're shooting its face off. 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:52.120 And I've never eaten a turkey face in my life, 1:15:53.040 --> 1:15:56.400 and so it's just at the end of the day, 1:15:56.400 --> 1:15:59.680 I was like, there's almost no reason you can tell 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:03.360 me that if you couldn't pick up a shotgun, you wouldn't. 1:16:03.880 --> 1:16:06.800 And I would also argue on the third point, you 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:08.320 can tell me if people tell me if I'm wrong. 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:11.679 But hunting with a shotgun you're able to move around 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:15.439 more and run and gun as they call it, call 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:17.559 a turkey in and move as it moves, as opposed 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.439 to popping up a blind, sitting in and putting out 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:21.679 a deco and waiting for it to walk in. Because 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:25.360 withdrawing your bow you need concealment. Pop up blind or 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:28.519 a stationary blind allows you to just sit there and 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:32.679 draw relatively in undercover, whereas if you're just sitting against 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:34.519 a tree, you gotta draw out in the open. Turkeys 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:40.560 have historically amazing eyesight. So for all those reasons, I 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:43.120 don't see myself ever picking up a bow and pointing 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:47.800 out a turkey. Yeahny am, I yeah, you spot on. 1:16:48.160 --> 1:16:50.759 I feel like to like the the again, the playing 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:53.280 field I like talk about like where I'm happy with 1:16:53.600 --> 1:16:56.559 the challenge of it all right, because the big reason 1:16:56.640 --> 1:16:59.519 I hunt, right, adventure challenge. I'm not just out there 1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:02.920 to put some meat my freezer, but like it's hard 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:09.200 enough with the shotgun, right, and the distances they're pretty similar. 1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:13.519 Most guys will won't shoot past forty yards with a 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:15.720 shotgun at a turkey, right, So you still got to 1:17:15.720 --> 1:17:17.720 get them close, you know, bo might need to be 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:21.599 a little bit closer. But I feel like you've kind 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:25.840 of executed all the fun stuff, you know, whether it's 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:29.920 this or this at that last moment. Yeah, And I 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:32.160 think in quite honestly, And there's some people that are 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.160 my friends layer and be like, you know, fuck you. 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:36.599 But we've got to this point where I like, I'm 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:39.720 only an archery hunter or my brand or my thing 1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:42.640 that I do is archery only all the time, and 1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:43.880 that's what I am. That's why I am. So I 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:45.439 can't be seen with a gun or it seem it 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:50.160 would be like cheating or whatever. You'll lose your steas 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:56.639 man hashtags. We're looking for a hashtag still twenty episodes 1:17:56.680 --> 1:17:58.800 into the podcast and maybe that could be it. But yeah, 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:02.640 you're losing your steas man in and it's just I 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:06.240 think that's why there you you You look around nowadays 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:08.400 and turkey hunting and there's a lot of people using bows, 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:12.000 and again, people can correct me if I'm wrong. At 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:14.200 the same time that you release that arrow, you could 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:16.960 be releasing a payload of pellets that will that will 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:20.519 destroy that thing's face and drop it and flop it. 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:22.519 Rather haven't run away with an arrow sticking out of it. 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:26.639 And so there's ethics, there's morality. There's just like remove 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:30.680 your own personal preference and put yourself in a place 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:33.160 at turkey. I'm much radity get shot in the face, 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:36.840 then I have to suffer with a freaking you know, 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:41.599 tom bomb and my But here's the only other point 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:43.160 to make. There's a lot of guys that shoots the 1:18:43.200 --> 1:18:48.280 gobbler guillotine or or these these broadhead Magnus bullhead or 1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:51.040 anything like that, that broadheads that are designed to lop 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:54.200 the turkey's head off fully, which is a pretty gruesome 1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:57.200 activity to do. But for most of the time you 1:18:57.320 --> 1:19:00.799 either are gonna miss completely or you're gonna so there's 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:02.880 its head off. There's the example of where I'm wrong. 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:07.880 I put my my gobbler guillotine with its what are 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.080 the cutting diamonds, one of those things, so you have 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:13.680 well on the guillotine, I think there's four blades, and 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:15.840 so you have four or three inch blades, and so 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:21.160 you actually have six inches square kind of yeah, it's like, yeah, 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:24.679 so you actually have a larger like kill zone because, 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:26.120 like I say, if you're aiming at the head, you 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:29.680 can miss two and a half inches either side of 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:31.800 the head, and so you've got a whatever, a seven 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:35.680 inch target at that point instead of trying to hit 1:19:36.800 --> 1:19:38.160 you know, a golf ball at the center of the 1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:41.200 body for the vitals and anybody's experience you on it. 1:19:41.200 --> 1:19:44.880 You're saying, guys that are using archie tackle are shooting 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:49.000 heads or bodies? Like what's percentage? I don't know. Not 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:52.320 a lot of people shooting heads off. So I've done both. 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:55.320 And the reason I like to not like to archer 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.320 on turkeys, but the reason my archer hunt turkeys because 1:19:57.320 --> 1:20:00.080 it allows me to get more turkey texts. So in 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:03.040 like in St. Nebraska, the first I think it's the 1:20:03.040 --> 1:20:04.960 first two weeks of the season you can and it's 1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:07.040 really a lot of times it's too early to barbet 1:20:07.040 --> 1:20:09.000 turkey hunting. They're not really fired up, they're not getting 1:20:09.000 --> 1:20:12.240 after it. But you can start hunting late March, and 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:15.280 if you're in the Midwest, it's a it's a spot 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:17.040 to go and you can start turkey hunting and it's 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:19.479 just with a bow, and so it does keep a 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:22.120 fair amount of people out of the bottle woods, which 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:23.839 is kind of fun. It's a little bit more peaceful. 1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:27.320 But at the same time, in my I've filmed a 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:28.680 few turkey hunts and I've been on a bunch of 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:33.400 turkey hunts, and average percentage with a bow without using 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:36.559 like the guillotine is about fifty fifty. As far as 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:39.439 like birds shot two birds recovered. Are we talking a 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:43.040 bird shot the birds wounded or birds like birds hit 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:48.400 and recovered. You never find or die like right there, 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:51.560 that's too much. It's way too much. That's not a 1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:56.000 good percentage. But then uh, I've had some people that 1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.160 hunt with me that have switched to the you know, 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:01.160 the guillotine of the Magnus bullhead, and you put your 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:03.519 decoys at six or seven yards and so you're not 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:08.840 worried about arrow flight, and that's a much higher percentage. 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:12.599 Especially I mean if it's hit, yeah, and if it's missed, 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:15.639 it's missed. You chop a feather off here there or whatever. 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:17.920 And in that case, you're not putting an arrow through 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:19.479 its wing button, it's breast and then you pull his 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:22.479 breast down, it's got a hole, you know jam hole 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:23.600 right in the front and in the middle of it 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:26.400 that you can't eat. Yeah, I think I have a 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:31.479 again from the layman's perspective on turkeys, but um, in 1:21:31.560 --> 1:21:35.000 the sense of hunting birds with a bow, I've I've 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:38.160 actually had some very similar experiences because I shoot a lot. 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.400 I like to hunt quail with my bow, um, and 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:44.280 I've hunted some geese with my bow, and I've had 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:48.519 the same experience where occasionally I would pass an arrow 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:51.200 right through what I would consider the boiler room on 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:54.479 a goose or a quail or um a chucker or 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:57.320 a pheasant and have them fly off and you know 1:21:57.479 --> 1:21:59.920 you killed. You know that that that that birds can 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:03.360 be dead, but you don't get to recover it, you know, 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.439 because because like you said, the vitals move around. So 1:22:06.680 --> 1:22:09.920 I've actually switched when I'm when I'm hunting small bird, 1:22:10.320 --> 1:22:12.639 you know, small game birds with my bow, I should 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:14.479 I shoot for the head because that for the same 1:22:14.520 --> 1:22:16.360 reason you're talking about with the guillotine and the guillotine 1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:19.160 stuff is uh, if I if I miss a miss 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:21.920 and I didn't hurt the animal, but if I if 1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:24.160 I do hit it, then it's it's it's done. It's 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:26.439 it's game over. Yeah. I think that spins off well 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:29.000 to something that we all experience here until Archery Challenge. Now, 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:32.479 so we're you know, Big Sky Resort and there's a 1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:35.320 lot of country here. There's a wide open country. It 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:37.439 was if you're hunting elkin here, this is this is it. 1:22:37.680 --> 1:22:41.920 This is a good Western elk, bear, meal, deer, whatever country. 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:45.360 There's courses at the Total Archery Challenge where a lot 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:47.840 of your shots are as we were saying earlier, shots 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:50.760 that you likely wouldn't take or be moan to take, 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:53.040 you know, last day type of shots where you're like, 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:54.960 I think I can do it, but I wouldn't take 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:58.200 this one day one or two of a hunt. Um, 1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:01.639 what you know, I'd like to hear everybody talk about 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:04.519 this is an archery it's not an archery tournament. Nobody 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:10.240 gets scored, it's not it's not marketed as practice for 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:14.680 hunting in any way. But in all of us, are 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:18.439 you know, wearing our hunting boots, were wearing our hunting packs, 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.120 were shooting the same dambo we'd be shooting in an 1:23:21.120 --> 1:23:25.240 animal And to to be practicing or to be you know, 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:27.920 having fun with shots that we know we wouldn't take 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:32.760 in the field. Ah, yanni, start and tell and just 1:23:32.840 --> 1:23:35.280 talk about like is that the right way to go? 1:23:35.920 --> 1:23:38.680 Is that setting expectations for hunters that come to these 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:41.639 deals that yes, you should be proficient in a hundred 1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:44.280 and twenty eight yards on it on a der or 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:46.240 something like that at some of these shots are I mean, 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:48.519 it's something to talk about because think it's an issue 1:23:48.600 --> 1:23:55.599 that it's important. Yeah, for sure, Um, we shot today right, Yeah, 1:23:55.640 --> 1:23:59.439 I mean we felt like three or four where we're 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:06.400 definitely way like no matter what whatever, even if even 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:09.240 if it was elk, I had already hit, and I 1:24:09.400 --> 1:24:11.519 was gonna go for a follow up shot. I probably 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:14.439 wouldn't win one at I'd probably be trying to get 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:20.760 closer before I let one fly at closer or not shoot. Yeah, 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:22.920 that's well, yeah, But I'm talking about the reason I 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:26.320 do even have a tape that goes to nine two 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:29.080 or whatever it is now is that if my first 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:32.240 shot have a good about it is, once an arrows 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:34.120 in him, I'm gonna try to get as many arrows 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:36.840 I can if he's still standing right. And so that's 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:39.240 really what I'm always thinking when I'm sitting there at 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.080 home practicing at eighty, like, why am I doing this? Well? 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.280 Shoot at eight? He definitely makes forty yard shots a 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:48.280 lot easier. But it almost happened me last year stuck 1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:50.599 one at forty was still on his feet at somewhere 1:24:50.640 --> 1:24:52.200 out there, but the timber was just too thick and 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:57.240 I couldn't really slide one in there. But uh, yeah, 1:24:57.280 --> 1:24:59.560 I mean I think it's good practice for hunting. I 1:24:59.720 --> 1:25:02.840 like these like real situations at home. I try to 1:25:02.840 --> 1:25:06.200 set my targets is as real as I can um 1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:09.679 because there are shots that are downhill uphill through lodgeball 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:12.280 timber there, you know, through a bunch of the young 1:25:12.400 --> 1:25:14.320 pines that you're trying to shoot around the corners. That 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:17.320 that's all real, real stuff, and you see things that 1:25:17.400 --> 1:25:19.400 you might not see just shooting level ground at home, 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:21.160 like the one thing that we kept saying we'd shoot 1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:24.400 like across the ski run and you guys, we all 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:28.040 have this shot the same course today, right, and a 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:30.320 couple of shots. I'd set up and be like, oh, 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:32.160 I just feel so good now look at my bubble 1:25:32.240 --> 1:25:34.920 and be like, holy cow, how can I be so cantid? 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:37.760 And just you're looking at the ski you're standing, you 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.720 see the angle of ski run under your bow, and 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:43.599 you start to can't, can't, can't get that bubble center again, 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:46.240 and you really can't believe how torqu do you feel? 1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:48.439 Almost you know, to get your bow straight. So that 1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:53.080 I noticed that my whether it's psychological, psychological or or what, 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:56.800 I noticed that my shots fell down the hill when 1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.719 we were shooting across the slope. I never shot into 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:02.600 the loope. I always would, and I'm sure that was 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.000 a bubble issue where because I always my part of 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:07.120 my processes I draw back and make sure I'm level 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:11.479 but but the time between making sure your level, when 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:13.599 you're focusing on that bubble and when you're actually really 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:15.840 focusing on the pin and where it is U you 1:26:15.920 --> 1:26:18.040 can still slide back out a level. And I think 1:26:18.080 --> 1:26:19.560 that that must have been what was happening, because I 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:21.040 had a lot of shots that were just a little 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:24.120 bit more either left or right going down the hill 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:27.280 than I expected them to be. Yeah, I think maybe 1:26:27.320 --> 1:26:29.240 at some point when you're shooting in a hundred twenty 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:32.160 two yard what was that an antelope of some kind? 1:26:32.240 --> 1:26:36.680 It was an African like? It was like as it 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:39.639 was a small it was a small bodied deer animal 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:45.320 and it's five yards. I would prefer to have them 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:49.479 all closer. I am gonna go home. I do my house, 1:26:49.560 --> 1:26:52.320 want to someday have whatever out to as far as 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:55.360 my boat can shoot until my site maxes out again, 1:26:55.920 --> 1:26:57.400 just because I feel like if you practice a bunch 1:26:57.439 --> 1:27:00.559 at one twenty, all of a sudden, seventy, it starts 1:27:00.600 --> 1:27:02.680 to become like a three pointer. Yeah, I think that's 1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:04.400 what I think. That's what Ben's trying to get into 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:07.960 is is are we are we spending too much time 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:13.639 shooting long and creating unrealistic um comfortability with long shots, 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:17.439 because the reality is, as a Western hunter, I've only 1:27:17.520 --> 1:27:21.720 ever hunted open country spot stock and having shot a 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:24.200 lot of shots at a hundred yards. When I have 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:26.120 an opportunity to a hundred yards and I know I 1:27:26.160 --> 1:27:29.840 can't get closer, gosh, I'm tempted. Sometimes you start thinking 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:31.439 about it. I started thinking about it. I think it 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:34.320 also comes down to influence, though, like there's some level 1:27:34.360 --> 1:27:37.439 of influence that that that maybe we don't even understand. 1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:40.720 One how we influence other people, you know, have if 1:27:40.800 --> 1:27:44.479 we start normalizing these types of shots, and then people 1:27:44.520 --> 1:27:47.360 that are coming up are like, hey, I'm I'm following 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:49.840 these folks and learning from them, and this is what 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:51.559 how they do it? Well, this must be the way. 1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:53.320 You know, if I go Western hunting, I better be 1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:56.200 dialed into eight yards. You're like, wait a minute, No, 1:27:57.280 --> 1:28:00.960 you don't start thinking like that. Um, so that's one 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:04.639 problem that's problematic. But so to argue against my own point, 1:28:05.280 --> 1:28:07.559 I think we all figured out after shooting that hundred 1:28:07.600 --> 1:28:09.720 twenty five yard target, we don't want to do that, 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:12.840 you're gonna do it. So it's nice in person there 1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:17.240 tangibly to say I'm not doing that like, maybe maybe 1:28:17.280 --> 1:28:20.120 I would if I practiced for about a decade, But 1:28:20.240 --> 1:28:22.800 at this point I'm more likely to hit grass and 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:25.679 skip and hit it in the leg than than eightywhere 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:28.599 near it. It's quite the rabbit hole because really at 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:31.040 a hundred yards, I mean, those arrows take a long 1:28:31.360 --> 1:28:34.479 time that animal and then you started, you know, talking 1:28:34.520 --> 1:28:39.120 about you know, the animal moving, the wind picks up 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:42.120 while you're arrows in the air, all kinds of variable. 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:44.640 Even just a single step by an animal, you know, 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:48.240 changes the where your impact is by two to three feet. 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:50.960 So I think the one I mean, this is a 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:53.040 fun event. You know, it's for it's people to come 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:55.320 out and you get to see that magical flight of 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:58.000 the arrow, you know, going that far um. You know, 1:28:58.040 --> 1:28:59.679 if you came out and you shot twenty five targets 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:02.080 in the first one, it was like forty yards. You 1:29:02.160 --> 1:29:04.080 try to figure out why you're hiking around the mountains 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:07.519 shooting forty yards. But I think the one thing it 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:10.559 does do is when you start to stretch out your 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:14.400 shots with a bow, it amplifies all your imperfections in 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.960 your form. And so if you say at twenty yards 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:20.479 you've got a grouping, you know, two to three in grouping, 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:22.680 and you're feeling pretty good about that. Well, when you 1:29:22.760 --> 1:29:25.600 move out to seventy yards, you know you might be 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:29.840 barely hitting the target. And so it forces you to 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:33.800 look at how you're shooting and be more consistent in 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:36.040 your shots. And I think everybody needs to, you know, 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:38.720 really take a good look at themselves and figure out 1:29:39.120 --> 1:29:43.400 what their effective ranges in the field. And it most 1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:46.840 likely shouldn't be you know, over sixty yards or whatever 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:50.040 it might be for you. But I think shooting those 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:52.920 long distances, like Yanni was saying, is if you become 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:56.759 proficient at shooting a hundred yards, that sixty seventy yards 1:29:56.760 --> 1:30:00.639 shot feels much more, not a chip shot, but much easier. 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:03.280 That target looks so much bigger at seventy than it 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:08.680 did before when you were only practicing. Yeah, yeah, the 1:30:08.760 --> 1:30:11.040 perspective is huge if you, yeah, anybody listening to this, 1:30:11.160 --> 1:30:14.000 go shoot at eighty yards for a week and then 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:19.400 start at twenty what So this is simple? Yeah? I read, Uh, 1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:21.920 here's a little insight that I picked up from a 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:25.280 from a non archery perspective about how to shoot better. Um, 1:30:25.400 --> 1:30:28.160 I read a psyche as a book on psychology. It 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:31.759 was a sports psychology book, and um, somebody was actually 1:30:31.760 --> 1:30:35.559 talking about sniper training in there, and he was saying, uh, 1:30:35.880 --> 1:30:38.519 he would train he was a sniper training instructor, and 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:41.799 he would train them to shoot. Uh. They would practice 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:46.799 at only two different yardages or two different distances super 1:30:46.880 --> 1:30:50.760 super super far, like the absolute limit of how far 1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:56.400 you can shoot, and very close, because the very close 1:30:56.600 --> 1:31:02.040 shots trained the mind a different type confidence. Like all 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.680 four of us after having shot today at you know, 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.519 I think the average range was probably seventy five yards, 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:11.240 between between six and seventy five yards. Uh, that's what 1:31:11.360 --> 1:31:13.080 was That was the average we shot today. I think 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:15.519 after shooting that all day, if we went out and 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:19.400 shot uh three D targets to thirty five yards, we 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:23.200 would just feel light out. And so those short shots, though, 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:27.200 really train your mind to be confident that you're gonna 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:30.439 hit what you're gonna hit when you shoot. And so uh, 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:34.320 this psychologists argument was you should practice the hardest thing 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:37.280 for you and then build confidence with the easiest thing 1:31:37.360 --> 1:31:39.439 for you. So that's how I practice with my bow 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:42.719 and I'm getting ready for hunting season. I I practice 1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:44.680 at a hundred yards, which is which is how far 1:31:44.800 --> 1:31:47.599 my range goes. At my house. I practice there more 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:50.080 often than anything else. That's where I'm like, because I 1:31:50.160 --> 1:31:51.880 feel like if I can hit something in a hundred yards, 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:54.479 then I can fort sure hit it at sixty. But 1:31:54.640 --> 1:31:58.200 I also almost always end the day with a nice 1:31:58.360 --> 1:32:01.880 round of five arrows at twenty yards, and I'm just like, yeah, smack, 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:05.519 good day on the range, And yeah, you know, it's 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:07.519 nice about that because I do the same thing. I 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:09.559 have a bag target that a buddy bill for me, which, 1:32:09.560 --> 1:32:11.920 by the way, man, dude, you gotta try this out. 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:14.519 I mean we literally out of my house is under 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:17.240 construction right now. There's some kind of a polly like 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:20.599 a woven bag, and we had a bunch of leftover 1:32:20.800 --> 1:32:23.000 vis queen that was getting ripped up and it wasn't 1:32:23.040 --> 1:32:25.439 doing this job anymore. So we sat there two or 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:28.160 three guys holding the bag and another dude jumping on 1:32:28.280 --> 1:32:29.840 top of the vis queen to fill it up, tied 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:33.400 it off, spray painted elk on there, and out of 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:36.559 my compound of twenty yards, it's just probably like ten 1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:39.280 and twelve inches of penetration. It's unreal for I like 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:43.559 made out of trash. Anyways, back to uh twenty yards 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:46.120 last shot. Yeah, it's so nice because it's just all form. 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.000 You're like, you're not even thinking about aiming anymore, and 1:32:49.040 --> 1:32:51.719 you just thinking about a nice, clean release. And because 1:32:51.760 --> 1:32:54.880 even practicing at a hundred yards holding steady at twenty 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:58.280 just feels like just that goes back to archery as 1:32:58.280 --> 1:33:01.320 a mental game. And know, well, the reason I want 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:03.240 to talk through this because I wasn't really sure where 1:33:03.240 --> 1:33:05.599 the hell I stood on and I'm like, I can 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:08.200 see somebody coming here and never having shot long distance, 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:09.280 and be like, why I must I have to do 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:12.720 this now? Um on game? And so maybe there's a 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:15.160 rule where we say, like, if it's past eighty yard, 1:33:15.200 --> 1:33:16.960 it's got to be a block target. God damn, it 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:20.600 can't be some you know fa similar some to me, 1:33:20.800 --> 1:33:23.880 I guess real quick, I forget to me, I just don't. 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:26.200 I don't mind shooting as far as we can all shoot, 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:28.720 but to me, this isn't the place for it. Yeah, 1:33:29.080 --> 1:33:31.160 Like I would just instead of having those one twenties 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:33.200 out here, I'd rather have it, you know, mix it 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:35.040 up and give me another eight and a fifteen, a 1:33:35.120 --> 1:33:37.479 thirty good point and just something that I'm gonna take 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:43.120 a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, like just just what 1:33:43.320 --> 1:33:46.000 are we doing right? Because when you're training, you understood, 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:49.639 you have an understanding everyone. You know all everybody's sitting 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:52.120 here like I'm training. I know what I'm doing, Like 1:33:52.280 --> 1:33:54.960 this is my process. When you get out here, you're 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:57.439 just like, I'm having fun, but you're not really realizing 1:33:57.479 --> 1:33:59.599 the influence it might have on on what you might 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:02.720 do in the yield, because you're not you as you 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:04.920 think about things. You're having fun. I'll take it. I'll 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:07.360 take a crack at her. And if that, I'll take 1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:10.080 a crack out of mentality gets shifted into the woods. 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:15.280 Nobody wants that, and so that's that's slides down with 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:18.240 a bunch of folks. I have a I have a 1:34:18.600 --> 1:34:20.920 thing I want to interject before we move on to 1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:25.240 some other topic um that I think it relates well 1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:28.680 compared to how I trained for skiing, and it's the 1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:32.719 idea that I I always trained for the absolute worst 1:34:32.800 --> 1:34:36.559 case scenario. I always I would rather my goal at 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:39.479 the end of Uh. You know this, actually, right now 1:34:39.560 --> 1:34:41.320 is a perfect time to describe. Right now, I mean 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:43.680 I'm in the off season, I'm not competing, and the 1:34:43.760 --> 1:34:45.920 next contest I have is in December, so I have 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:49.639 quite a bit of time to really work on fitness 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:52.880 and strength, and um, a lot of what I'm doing 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:56.200 anymore is training my nervous system just as much as 1:34:56.280 --> 1:34:59.200 my muscles. So uh, it doesn't do me a lot 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:00.840 of good just to be this wrong stude out there. 1:35:01.000 --> 1:35:05.160 I have to both be strong and extremely quick and explosive, 1:35:05.320 --> 1:35:07.880 so um, A lot of the things that I do 1:35:07.960 --> 1:35:12.280 are all jumping oriented. So I will train in a 1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:16.439 way that I'm trying to actually do more. I'm trying 1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:18.439 to be more powerful than I would ever need to be. 1:35:18.800 --> 1:35:21.479 I'm trying to have better balance than I would ever 1:35:21.640 --> 1:35:25.519 need to actually have in the half pipe, because you're 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:29.160 only you're you're training for worst case scenario. I'm training 1:35:29.200 --> 1:35:32.120 for those bad landings. The reality is the good landings 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:33.720 I don't need to try. I don't need to spend 1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:35.120 a lot of time in the gym for those because, 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:37.880 especially in a half pipe, if I land high at 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:39.960 the top of the wall, then the g forces aren't 1:35:39.960 --> 1:35:43.200 that high because because I'm catching the transition perfectly, So 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:45.800 those good landings don't need the training as much as 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:48.920 the bad landings do. So I'm always training for I'm 1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:52.280 training the fringe. I talked a lot to kids I 1:35:52.400 --> 1:35:55.320 mentor about training the fringe. Pick what you're not good 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:58.160 at and just train it until you're good at it again. 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:00.479 And even the things that you're good at them to 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:04.160 uh where you're all where you're uncomfortable and and and 1:36:04.760 --> 1:36:06.680 know that you're uncomfortable with those things. And I'm not 1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:08.400 saying that you should do those things that you've just 1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:12.840 been training in competition, because you don't. At the end 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:15.720 of the day, when I'm crafting a run and I'm 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:17.240 going to do in a big contest like the X 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:19.800 Games of the Olympics, I'm always choosing a run that 1:36:19.960 --> 1:36:22.559 I know I can pull off. It's not something that's like, well, 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:24.000 there's a couple of tricks that I can pull off 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:26.160 in this one right, here's a hail Mary. I'm never 1:36:26.240 --> 1:36:29.880 doing that. It's always calculated, and that's how I feel 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:32.439 about what we're doing out here hunting wise. I kind 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:36.200 of agree with you, Joannie where I think it's maybe 1:36:36.400 --> 1:36:39.120 maybe the averages have got because it's a total archery 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:41.400 challenge and it's like, oh, we gotta make it a challenge. 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:44.240 Maybe the averages have gotten a little too crazy, and 1:36:44.600 --> 1:36:46.719 there's a little bit, there's a few there's a few 1:36:46.880 --> 1:36:50.240 too few shots that I would practically take as a hunter. 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:52.479 I would like to see a few more of those. 1:36:52.600 --> 1:36:54.519 But at the same time, I'm like, you know what, 1:36:54.600 --> 1:36:57.320 I don't mind taking those weird shots that I wouldn't 1:36:57.400 --> 1:36:59.519 that are that are the fringe of what I'm capable of, 1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:03.519 because I'm training the fringe. Um, I think we should 1:37:03.520 --> 1:37:06.400 talk about our scoring system because that is what that 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:09.000 would go go all the way back. That's Remy's scoring. Yeah, 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:10.680 Remy and I came up with that scoring system when 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:12.760 we first started shooting these totally our total, our three 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:16.080 challenges together. And it's a good way of keeping yourself 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.920 in it because you talked about how uh you kind 1:37:18.920 --> 1:37:21.559 of get out there and after you've lost like three arrows, 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:23.240 you're just kind of like, I don't know, I ran 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:26.000 out of fox to give a while ago, you know, 1:37:26.160 --> 1:37:28.080 and you just start you just start drawing back and 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:31.040 flinging arrows, and you don't stay very mentally in tune 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:32.360 to it. So Remy and I came up with this 1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:35.320 system we call kill Wound miss, and it's just a 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:38.720 scoring system rather than scoring the rings on the all 1:37:38.840 --> 1:37:40.960 these most of these are Rhinehart targets, so rather than 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:46.679 scoring the ten twelve or twelve ten eight five scoring format, 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:48.760 we just kill it. We just score it as if 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:50.560 you kill it you get a point, and if you 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:53.920 wound it you get a negative point. An outright misses 1:37:54.000 --> 1:37:56.200 zero because we were trying to relate it as closely 1:37:56.240 --> 1:37:59.400 as we possibly could to actual hunting situations where I 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:02.080 kill as a thing, A wound is absolutely the worst 1:38:02.080 --> 1:38:04.160 thing that we want, and a miss is actually not 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:06.160 that big of a deal, you know. I think every 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:08.360 archer in the world would rather miss a deer than wounded. 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:10.920 So we we came up with this system, and we 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:14.360 all obviously, as we're all competitive dudes, we once we 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:16.680 came up with a system, then we started. Then then 1:38:16.760 --> 1:38:20.479 came the wagers. So it's for us because we're shooting. 1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:22.600 Of course, that's super challenging. It's got more shots in 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:25.960 it than I would ever take in a hunting situation. Uh, 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:30.439 but the scoring helps keep me focused. Because Sam and 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:32.320 I were going back and forth today. We both shot 1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:34.200 really good the first couple of targets, and then we 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:37.000 both got on the struggle train. And we struggled to 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:40.000 get off the struggle train towards the end and uh, 1:38:40.080 --> 1:38:41.840 but it was just fun because it was like, Okay, no, 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.360 it's every shot, it's a new shot, and and I'm 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:46.840 still getting of some kind of a point for this. 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:48.479 So I thought that was a really good way to 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:55.000 score a three D archery. Uh, target shoot because it 1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:57.479 teaches you also to just shoot for the shape of 1:38:57.520 --> 1:38:59.640 the animal rather than trying to figure out where the 1:39:00.360 --> 1:39:02.759 hit a circle or whatever. So what do you score today? 1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:08.960 Targets five? I I wounded? You got a Yeah, that 1:39:09.160 --> 1:39:12.880 is freaking high. I scored in eleven today. I got 1:39:13.000 --> 1:39:17.720 a fucking one. Four. We had a guy in a 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:22.120 group scored twenty yeah on the prime course. On the 1:39:22.160 --> 1:39:25.439 Prime course. So did he wound any He wanted to 1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:29.680 wounded too. Actually hit twenty two in the vital so 1:39:29.760 --> 1:39:33.519 he wounded to missed one? Yeah, yeah he was. He nearly. 1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:37.000 Mike Collins works for Prime He is he nearly. He 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:40.880 nearly cleaned it because he cleaned that course. Yeah. And 1:39:41.040 --> 1:39:42.880 one the one that he missed, he just forgot to 1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:45.040 change the slidder and he shot like a hundred yards 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:47.240 over a turkey. He didn't have a Yanni sticker on 1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:52.360 his bow. I'll sign him one. Yeah, you were talking 1:39:52.400 --> 1:39:55.120 about selling these sticks and custom megan one real quick tonight. 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:58.920 It's a piece of orange gave tape. This is returned 1:39:58.960 --> 1:40:01.639 to zero. Yeah, that's just like the game. I said. 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:03.840 We're so, what's terrible archers? We're like, we're just trying 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:08.160 to return to zero target, trying to get back and 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:10.599 down positive. That's I mean, I think of the best 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:12.519 in our group. There was twelve people shoot in our group, 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:15.519 and I think the best was nine. Like that shot 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:19.559 in eleven and I got fifth. What Yeah, we had, dude, 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:22.639 I've shot this this well we shot system. Yeah, I've 1:40:22.640 --> 1:40:25.720 just got this short scoring system. Maybe eight or so 1:40:26.040 --> 1:40:29.360 rounds and I don't I don't think. Yeah, double digits 1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:32.960 is rare. We had Mike coins one. Did you know 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:38.800 Corey Jacobson he shot a seventeen? Ye what you shot? 1:40:39.960 --> 1:40:42.240 And then somebody was in between me and you. Yeah, 1:40:42.360 --> 1:40:44.720 I laughed because Cory and I, like I said, we're 1:40:44.720 --> 1:40:46.759 competitive dudes. We all go back and forth. We started, 1:40:46.800 --> 1:40:49.080 you know, church in each other's ears and stuff. Corey 1:40:49.120 --> 1:40:53.320 and I started talking, uh and uh. He had one 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:55.400 target where he was just in the kill zone and 1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:57.920 I was laughing. I was inches out, but you missed 1:40:57.920 --> 1:41:01.000 my inches. They're still a wound. And uh that was 1:41:01.120 --> 1:41:02.680 that was the difference between Corey and I. But it 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:05.760 was fun because, um, we were I feel like we 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:10.040 were all actually competent level archers. I mean I can 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:14.559 can comparable level archers. Uh, Sam and I bowl shot 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:17.479 the first seven targets clean and and of course and 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:19.760 I look back on it. This is what I do 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:21.840 with skiing too. I always look back and I'm like, gosh, 1:41:21.880 --> 1:41:24.559 you're such a dummy. Because as soon as we shot 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:28.320 the first seven targets clean, my mind, as an arrogant dude, 1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:30.720 was like, I got the first seven, I can get 1:41:30.760 --> 1:41:33.400 the I can get all the rest of them visions. 1:41:34.880 --> 1:41:37.040 You shot the first seven clean, and then both of 1:41:37.160 --> 1:41:40.120 us dropped Target eight. I missed and he wounded it. 1:41:40.840 --> 1:41:43.160 I gotta get back on my course. I'm fired up now. 1:41:43.720 --> 1:41:46.920 I feel like, yeah, I get get back. One is 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:50.519 not enough. I think I wounded enough. That's good, real 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:53.880 real time, real level training, right or real What am 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:58.240 I trying to say, um, prices for the real world 1:41:58.320 --> 1:42:01.880 of hunting is is trying to is not letting visions 1:42:02.040 --> 1:42:05.519 of glory or that is such a real thing, and 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:08.680 I battle it all the time. That Turkey's gollant and 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:10.640 coming in and like you're talking about you're like you 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:15.080 can see the freaking turkey nuggets vision. You're gonna be 1:42:15.920 --> 1:42:20.200 taste it. You can taste it. Turkey's done, You're already 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:22.559 like I can just imagine jumped around the pickup truck. 1:42:22.640 --> 1:42:25.720 Oh no, I didn't get one. Besides this, you know, 1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:27.960 like all that stuff is going through your head where 1:42:27.960 --> 1:42:29.920 you should be just going like I need to kill 1:42:29.960 --> 1:42:31.360 that bird. I need shooting in the head. I need 1:42:31.439 --> 1:42:33.160 shooting in the head. What is this turkey doing? What 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:36.680 should I do next? What is the absolute what I 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:39.519 need to I'm don't think I might change my flight 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:42.160 just so I shoot tomorrow and get back like figure 1:42:42.200 --> 1:42:44.000 this out. I think you should change your flight just 1:42:44.000 --> 1:42:48.599 because Montana is so great. That also, we shot together 1:42:48.600 --> 1:42:51.719 in South Dakota. Nobody was doing that good. The difference 1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:55.720 we shot horribly in South Dakota. That's the difference. Yeah, 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:58.280 what you shoot in South Dakota, Sam, like a negative 1:42:58.320 --> 1:43:00.840 one is terrible. So what the hell? So the day 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:04.320 before so I'm gonna give this a disclaimer. The day 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:07.280 before I actually shot very well, but we weren't keeping score. 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:09.040 We started like a couple of targets that it was 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:12.559 kind of shot. But I was like, I was just shooting, 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:15.760 and then the next day I fell apart. So let 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:18.599 me let me just I don't answer this question today. 1:43:18.680 --> 1:43:21.080 Were you guys super competitive and like all really dialed 1:43:21.120 --> 1:43:24.599 in on on the achievement of the score. Yeah, we were. 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:27.840 We were all being super competitive from the get go. 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:29.960 Yanna and I shot in a group of twelve people 1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:31.640 and it was not It was just like half the 1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:34.840 group didn't score. Yeah, So do we feel like that 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:37.200 could be the difference? That's the difference that like you're 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:41.479 just thinking, okay, you're dialed in your playing. Yeah. I 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:44.639 think it's my fault. I really do, because I can't 1:43:44.680 --> 1:43:47.240 do things halfway. Man, Like I don't show up and 1:43:47.320 --> 1:43:49.439 not wager. I don't show up and not compete. Like 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:51.479 even though I suck at golf, I show up to 1:43:51.520 --> 1:43:53.200 golf tournaments and I'm like, man, I'm gonna be the 1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:55.559 longest drive. I don't care if it's three fair ways over. 1:43:55.800 --> 1:43:58.600 I'm gonna do something better than everybody else. So as 1:43:58.640 --> 1:44:00.880 soon as we got on the course. Of course, for 1:44:01.000 --> 1:44:03.240 me as a hunting fan, the reality is I'm stoked 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:05.720 to be shooting with these folks, and so I want 1:44:05.760 --> 1:44:07.479 to challenge them. I want to kind of I want 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:09.000 to chirp in there. I want to have them chirp 1:44:09.080 --> 1:44:11.640 back because I think it's fun. So I kind of 1:44:11.680 --> 1:44:14.000 set the tone go back to because I'm trying to 1:44:14.000 --> 1:44:18.840 figure this out because in my head I'm now the worst. Wait, 1:44:18.920 --> 1:44:21.599 let let me get eight yard target? How many people 1:44:21.600 --> 1:44:23.760 in your how many people are group five? No? We 1:44:23.880 --> 1:44:26.000 had ten today, ten in your group? How many people 1:44:26.000 --> 1:44:29.519 out of that ten hit that target today? Only one? Yesterday? 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:32.160 Two of us hit it. Okay, that's normal. If you're 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:34.840 gonna let's get out of the room. Let's do something 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:36.680 more realistic though. Let's do one that you have a 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:41.280 site a pin for, because nobody has how about how many? 1:44:41.320 --> 1:44:46.080 How many guys in your group at about the fallow 1:44:46.200 --> 1:44:51.680 the fallow bucks, the one I can remember more as 1:44:51.720 --> 1:44:54.679 the hog that's that was stretching at like nine two yards? 1:44:54.800 --> 1:44:58.120 Target sucks. We are group cleaned up on that. Oh 1:44:58.200 --> 1:45:01.160 you did yeah in the shower, the one in the shadow. 1:45:01.280 --> 1:45:03.680 Our group cleaned up on that. But that's one of 1:45:03.760 --> 1:45:06.400 the ones that I wounded. Like our group struggled with 1:45:06.479 --> 1:45:11.160 that target. But again and again that one where that 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:13.519 vital was on that one, I got a wound on 1:45:13.640 --> 1:45:15.320 that one. But if you were going to say, like 1:45:15.560 --> 1:45:17.479 where would you shoot to hit him in the heart, 1:45:17.560 --> 1:45:20.479 you'd be like where young erra was right? So well, 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:24.240 we so you're still shuture reference. We always vote, oh, 1:45:25.160 --> 1:45:27.559 because we don't know. We don't always shoot the insert 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:30.439 because a lot of these, especially not so much here 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:33.800 in uh in Big Sky Button in Snowboard where I 1:45:33.840 --> 1:45:35.920 shot where Remy and I came up with this system, 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:38.639 a lot of the shots were at like thirty degrees uphill, 1:45:39.000 --> 1:45:42.200 and so you shoot the insert at thirty degrees up hill, 1:45:42.240 --> 1:45:45.479 you're actually gonna miss at least one long maybe. So 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:47.719 we would shoot, like if it was an uphill shot 1:45:47.880 --> 1:45:50.560 at at thirty degrees, we would actually shoot it in 1:45:50.640 --> 1:45:53.000 the in the chest below the insert and call it good. 1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:55.360 But it was always a vote, and it most of 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:57.920 the time came down to where is the exit wound 1:45:57.960 --> 1:46:00.479 gonna be? So so on that one, you and your 1:46:00.479 --> 1:46:02.439 group could have voted, and if they had voted, if 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:04.920 they had voted, I yahni got it, then you would 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:07.240 have got the point still. And that was one difference 1:46:07.280 --> 1:46:09.800 between South Dakota and here, because there were some shots 1:46:09.840 --> 1:46:13.000 in South Dakota that like I ended up getting called 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:15.160 the wound on because it wasn't in the insert. But 1:46:15.400 --> 1:46:17.240 you know, it would be a ram quartering too at 1:46:17.280 --> 1:46:20.479 fifty yards and you m, it's gonna kill it. Because 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:22.880 the whole the whole idea was that we didn't have 1:46:23.000 --> 1:46:26.120 to look for the circles because it started actually because 1:46:26.520 --> 1:46:29.840 when we first did this the first time, uh, some 1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:32.080 of the some of the rings were really hard to see. 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:34.080 And Remy and now we're talking about We're like, this 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:36.280 is stupid. Why are we shooting the rings anyways, Like, 1:46:36.800 --> 1:46:38.839 let's just aim for where you would on the animal, 1:46:38.920 --> 1:46:40.840 and and Remy was actually kind of giving me some 1:46:40.960 --> 1:46:45.719 pointers because, uh, he thought I was aiming a little 1:46:45.760 --> 1:46:47.160 far back and I was like, no, that's where I've 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:49.120 always aimed. He's like, no, aim a little bit more forward. 1:46:49.120 --> 1:46:51.800 That's a better pocket. And so then we just got 1:46:51.880 --> 1:46:53.920 into aiming for the shape of the animal, not worrying 1:46:53.920 --> 1:46:57.519 about where the actual insert was. Yeah, I really yeah, 1:46:57.880 --> 1:46:59.720 I really want to get back out there now. I 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:01.479 think you should stay. I think we you and I 1:47:01.640 --> 1:47:04.840 go out there and start voting on Ya's and A's 1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:13.160 will both be fifteen plus, so you'll suddenly be myself 1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:14.920 and clean the course right now, I don't know, I 1:47:14.960 --> 1:47:16.880 found a couple of your arrows. No, I just found 1:47:16.960 --> 1:47:21.879 one of your arrows. Listen. I was terrible today, terrible, 1:47:22.160 --> 1:47:25.680 maybe the worst I've ever shot, and I just you know, 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:28.360 I'm watching archeres of mind. Fuck Like there were some 1:47:28.560 --> 1:47:32.040 days I got a hundred range in my backyard. I've 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:33.760 got five six targets. I had a bunch of people 1:47:33.760 --> 1:47:37.599 from Yetie come over and we're just drilling them, drilling them, drilling. 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:39.680 Of course, there's nothing like this. It's not down. It's 1:47:39.720 --> 1:47:45.599 a freaking yard. But you feel good. You're like, yeah, okay, done, 1:47:45.880 --> 1:47:47.479 and then you get out there and you start failing that. 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:50.080 Then I hear that you guys are busting eleven and fifteens. 1:47:52.360 --> 1:47:58.200 There's no yeah. Yeah. But the cool thing about the 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:00.960 cool thing I'll say about archery events like this is 1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:04.679 that brings you to a different level. Because I think everybody, 1:48:05.120 --> 1:48:08.240 everybody is there is the best archer in a certain 1:48:08.280 --> 1:48:10.640 group of people. Right you can just keep you can 1:48:10.760 --> 1:48:13.080 keep dropping the level until at some point you're the 1:48:13.160 --> 1:48:16.639 best archer. And I was stopping and say this, I've 1:48:16.680 --> 1:48:19.880 been in a group's at the Total Archer Challenge last year. 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:21.640 I was in a couple of groups where it was 1:48:21.720 --> 1:48:24.680 just arrows flying through the trees the entire time. Like, 1:48:25.120 --> 1:48:27.200 so I've also seen the other side of like our 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:29.000 group today. I'm like, man, that's a really good group. 1:48:29.680 --> 1:48:32.000 Everybody's basically doing what they need to be doing. Like 1:48:32.120 --> 1:48:34.680 there's some variances and stuff like that. My goal was 1:48:34.760 --> 1:48:37.160 just to hit foam. Yeah, if I had pham on 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:40.800 every single target and I missed three at but yeah, 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:47.160 every time I had heard of ponk walking, like, uh, 1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:50.080 I got my dad's out here for the event, and 1:48:50.439 --> 1:48:52.880 he's never shot a course like this, and he's you know, 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:56.080 he's practiced whatever flat ground back in South Dakota. But 1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:58.880 he I mean, if you're talking about just like slamming foam, 1:48:59.240 --> 1:49:02.439 he cleaned house today. Yeah, I mean there was a 1:49:02.479 --> 1:49:04.560 couple of targets he you know, missed or whatever, but 1:49:04.840 --> 1:49:09.879 for the most part, just asis I'm stressed. But anyways, 1:49:09.920 --> 1:49:12.439 my point earlier was that, uh, it's good to get 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:14.599 out here. To places like this that bring people who 1:49:14.640 --> 1:49:20.160 are better than you into your interaction. Because I shot 1:49:20.240 --> 1:49:22.560 yesterday and I was I shot the best out of 1:49:22.600 --> 1:49:24.920 the group, and I was like, alright, I'm doing pretty good. 1:49:24.960 --> 1:49:26.760 I'm ready for hunting season. I shot today and I 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:28.240 got my ass handed to me and I was like, 1:49:28.320 --> 1:49:31.360 all right, I could still be better. You know. Well, 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:33.680 that's why the takeaway from me is when you go 1:49:33.760 --> 1:49:36.879 into an event like this, understand what you're doing personally, 1:49:37.040 --> 1:49:39.840 sit down with yourself'll be like, I'm training now, and 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:41.439 this is how this is going to work with my 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:45.720 overall training for hunting, because everybody that's using about to 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:49.920 kill things should train a lot. If you're not, then 1:49:50.400 --> 1:49:52.599 hopefully you come out to something like this and learn 1:49:54.760 --> 1:49:57.200 that you should then go home and train. But come 1:49:57.240 --> 1:49:59.080 into this like, hey, it's a fun shoot, I'm flying 1:49:59.160 --> 1:50:03.320 at him, or this is I'm training. I want to 1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:06.080 this is what I want to achieve. And if you 1:50:06.160 --> 1:50:08.800 do that, then no worries. But if you come into 1:50:08.880 --> 1:50:11.680 this and kind of just walking around shooting arrows and 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:13.800 not thinking about it and the next thing you know 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:17.400 it's changing the way you're hunting, then that's problematic sure, 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:19.200 because I'm sure a lot of people do that. There's 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:22.320 kids that shoot this, there's wives that shoot this. You know, 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:24.760 there's people that just want to have a fun archer 1:50:24.840 --> 1:50:26.960 day out there shooting this that don't really understand the 1:50:27.000 --> 1:50:29.920 scope of what what's going down. So we we had 1:50:29.960 --> 1:50:33.320 a little roundtable discussion last night for a little video, 1:50:33.439 --> 1:50:37.160 and we talked a lot about um, like this is 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:39.000 it can be. You can use it as like a 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:42.800 preseason gear test, so you can wear your booster you're 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:44.800 gonna wear this season. You know, you got your bowl 1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:47.200 completely dialed in how you think you wanted for hunting season, 1:50:47.240 --> 1:50:48.920 and gives you that opportunity. You can wear the pack 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:51.160 that you're gonna wear for hunting season. You can wear 1:50:51.280 --> 1:50:53.160 like the you know it's hot, so you can wear 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:55.360 like the lightweight clothing and you're gonna wear for early season, 1:50:55.840 --> 1:50:58.360 and you can start to kind of put all those 1:50:58.400 --> 1:51:01.120 things together and you know, bust the dust or rustoff 1:51:01.240 --> 1:51:04.360 before season actually hits a month from now. And so 1:51:05.000 --> 1:51:06.320 I think a lot of people use it as an 1:51:06.320 --> 1:51:09.800 opportunity for that to kind of yeah, instead of walking 1:51:09.880 --> 1:51:13.000 an opening day going I don't know my backpacked out 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:14.880 then like where all my stuff sits you don't you 1:51:14.920 --> 1:51:18.599 know very well, could shoot an elk this fall wearing 1:51:18.680 --> 1:51:21.320 almost the exact same things I had on today. My 1:51:21.400 --> 1:51:23.720 pants would probably be different. But we talked about that 1:51:23.800 --> 1:51:26.360 going in. I was wearing was in South Krona. I 1:51:26.360 --> 1:51:28.800 was wearing camo, and somebody said something like, Okay, so 1:51:29.640 --> 1:51:31.519 you and I talking about guys in like full camera. 1:51:32.280 --> 1:51:35.519 Your first thought of the O Jesus, you're ever playing 1:51:35.560 --> 1:51:38.320 your hand there, fella. But then you think, like, hey man, 1:51:38.360 --> 1:51:40.160 that's not the worst idea in the world. You know, 1:51:40.280 --> 1:51:42.040 maybe it's you kind of look like a fool walk 1:51:42.160 --> 1:51:45.440 testing your kid, but testing your kid to some level. Yeah, absolutely, 1:51:45.479 --> 1:51:49.040 I think that's that's David doesn't scheme blue jeans um 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:52.320 all year and then just puts on his waterproof pants 1:51:52.400 --> 1:51:58.040 for go time. Right. Yeah, but that's a it's a 1:51:58.080 --> 1:52:00.960 great it's a damn fun event. I got enoughing tied 1:52:01.000 --> 1:52:02.760 to this thing other than I'd love to go do it. 1:52:03.200 --> 1:52:06.160 And if you're not doing total archery challenge, it's I 1:52:06.200 --> 1:52:13.759 think it's right now. It's seven cities everywhere from Pennsylvania, Texas, Uh, Montana, Utah, Tennessee, 1:52:14.000 --> 1:52:16.400 South Dakota. I mean so there's gotta be someplace that's 1:52:16.400 --> 1:52:18.439 close to where you're at. And if you're a bow 1:52:18.520 --> 1:52:20.600 hunter and you you truly believe that you want to 1:52:20.600 --> 1:52:22.560 be good at it and not just be, you know, 1:52:22.640 --> 1:52:26.080 a Saturday shooter, come and do one, give it her 1:52:26.160 --> 1:52:29.479 up and figure out kind of what you want to 1:52:29.520 --> 1:52:32.080 get out of it, and then go there. Like that's 1:52:32.120 --> 1:52:36.360 what I could think of. I think. So my ender 1:52:36.439 --> 1:52:38.519 to your your original point about are we are we 1:52:38.600 --> 1:52:41.799 stretching the distances too longer? Are we are we creating 1:52:41.920 --> 1:52:44.280 danger for ourselves? I think if you just go back 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:47.280 around and talk about our scores, the fact is we 1:52:47.400 --> 1:52:50.800 all wounded animals. So that proved to us that I 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:54.400 am not competent to shoot at that range, you know. 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:57.920 So that's not to tout me and remy scoring system anymore, 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:01.200 but I'm just saying, like it's a was a good practical, 1:53:01.560 --> 1:53:05.120 real world application of this is a challenging shot, and 1:53:05.280 --> 1:53:07.560 I'm probably not good enough to shoot it, you know, 1:53:07.760 --> 1:53:10.160 so you gotta so we all do that, that we 1:53:10.200 --> 1:53:12.240 all do that assessment. Whenever I spott a deer and 1:53:12.280 --> 1:53:14.400 I started stock, I'm like, if I can get to 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:16.640 that point, if I can get to that piece of 1:53:16.720 --> 1:53:21.519 cover or that bush or that rock outcropping, is that 1:53:21.680 --> 1:53:24.519 close enough to shoot? Because that because I'm always assessing 1:53:24.680 --> 1:53:26.800 that's probably the last that's probably the last cover I'm 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:29.200 gonna have. If I get that close, can I do it? 1:53:29.720 --> 1:53:32.920 And so it's good to it's good to know maybe 1:53:33.000 --> 1:53:35.160 you can't, maybe you can. You know, Yeah, it's for 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:38.880 David's point, there's no this scoring systemsn't have a name. 1:53:39.120 --> 1:53:43.200 It's not like the wise warrant scoring methods. That could 1:53:43.200 --> 1:53:46.720 be it for anybody that wants to go do that. 1:53:46.880 --> 1:53:49.559 Go do that in your backyard. Like you got a target, 1:53:49.640 --> 1:53:51.519 go do that. You know you got three D target? 1:53:51.520 --> 1:53:52.920 A lot of people. Sure do you have that? Go 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:54.840 do it and let us know how the hell it goes. 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:57.320 And then when you're done that, think about what Yeah, 1:53:57.320 --> 1:54:00.519 and he's titled should be that here? Thank you. Those 1:54:00.520 --> 1:54:02.560 are the two that's two pieces of homework from this 1:54:02.640 --> 1:54:06.320 conversation and right into Ben right in send it to 1:54:07.520 --> 1:54:09.400 go to go to the website. But I'd like to 1:54:09.479 --> 1:54:12.120 have people to write in, you know, like letters, but 1:54:12.160 --> 1:54:13.639 I don't have I don't want to give out my address. 1:54:13.760 --> 1:54:15.720 Can I give your address? You? I think you need 1:54:15.800 --> 1:54:17.760 to get a po box in Bozeman or something like that, 1:54:17.880 --> 1:54:21.800 something like that, once a month, check it, check it 1:54:21.960 --> 1:54:25.240 on every six You know what, This is a total 1:54:25.439 --> 1:54:28.240 rabbit trail. Let's go. But I like the concept of 1:54:28.400 --> 1:54:32.280 right ends. Yeah, because in our world of social media, 1:54:32.680 --> 1:54:35.760 we have a little too much instance feedback, don't you think, 1:54:36.280 --> 1:54:37.920 like it's a little too easy to sit down at 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:40.840 the computer and write a comment or an email or 1:54:41.560 --> 1:54:44.640 um or even record a video in response to what 1:54:44.800 --> 1:54:48.240 somebody else said. But it takes time to sit down 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:50.520 at the table, write something out with a pen and 1:54:50.600 --> 1:54:53.440 paper and put it in an envelope, find the address 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:55.320 you're gonna send it to, and send it in. That's 1:54:55.360 --> 1:54:57.280 why there were a lot less trolls back in the day, 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.440 because you guys are writing that, like, know what, man, 1:55:00.520 --> 1:55:05.640 here's what I think. It's not really worth my time, right, 1:55:05.760 --> 1:55:07.440 So I think it'd be I think it actually it 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:09.000 would be a good thing maybe if we had a 1:55:09.040 --> 1:55:13.040 little less instant feedback and we had to because, like 1:55:13.200 --> 1:55:15.000 you said, it would be a lot better sometimes if 1:55:15.000 --> 1:55:17.240 people just decided, you know, maybe I shouldn't say this. 1:55:17.720 --> 1:55:19.680 I think that's the most of what happens on social media, 1:55:19.680 --> 1:55:21.840 as people say things that they shouldn't say because they're 1:55:21.880 --> 1:55:23.960 fired up right in the moment, and later they might 1:55:24.160 --> 1:55:26.160 they might wish to go back and unsay it. There's 1:55:26.160 --> 1:55:27.680 too late. There's a lot of folks that do that. 1:55:27.800 --> 1:55:29.600 Then you call them out for it. They know. I'm sorry, man, 1:55:29.640 --> 1:55:32.160 I just I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. 1:55:33.120 --> 1:55:35.320 I was not thinking. I got a little I was drunk. 1:55:35.600 --> 1:55:38.600 All positive comments can be on digitally. All negative comments 1:55:38.720 --> 1:55:44.560 must be mailed to to PO Box PO Box, Belgrade, Montana. 1:55:45.280 --> 1:55:47.760 That might be a good idea. There's no that's homework 1:55:47.800 --> 1:55:50.880 for me. I'll create a po box or something like that. Malory. 1:55:50.920 --> 1:55:54.360 People can write in Uh, Yanni, do you have any concluding? 1:55:55.120 --> 1:55:57.360 I'm still I must steal this first, since you're here, 1:55:57.360 --> 1:55:59.960 I'll steal this from the meat Eator podcast. What's Steve called? 1:56:00.800 --> 1:56:04.320 Uh concluder? Concluding thought? I don't think everything, I guess 1:56:04.360 --> 1:56:06.720 I have one last question for David. Are your sisters 1:56:06.760 --> 1:56:10.800 still hunters? Uh? One is and one is? And I 1:56:10.880 --> 1:56:12.600 think that that maybe speaks to what I was talking 1:56:12.600 --> 1:56:15.400 about at the beginning, where hunting is isn'n eate for 1:56:15.480 --> 1:56:17.320 some people. Some people are really passionate about it, and 1:56:17.360 --> 1:56:19.000 some people are just like, no, this isn't this isn't 1:56:19.040 --> 1:56:21.400 really for me. And my sisters are exactly like that. 1:56:21.520 --> 1:56:24.600 One of them, uh got criticized by her friends for 1:56:25.040 --> 1:56:26.720 going out there and wanting to kill Bamby and and 1:56:26.920 --> 1:56:29.040 she thought the social pressure was more than she wanted 1:56:29.080 --> 1:56:31.560 to overcome to go out and hunt, and the other 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:33.960 one was the opposite. She was just like, I don't 1:56:34.000 --> 1:56:35.800 care what you think. I think hunt's cool. I'm gonna 1:56:35.840 --> 1:56:39.320 keep doing it. I like that good respect, especially for twins. 1:56:40.600 --> 1:56:44.480 I don't know why twins matters, but they look the same. 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:49.920 There Are they identical twins? They're not? Damn sorry, Ruins's 1:56:49.920 --> 1:56:52.840 all who was the whole point? Is that a generally concluder? Yeah, 1:56:53.080 --> 1:56:56.880 I'm happy with that, Thank you, David. Final thoughts, Oh man, 1:56:56.920 --> 1:56:58.240 it's just an honor to be here Sam with you 1:56:58.280 --> 1:57:01.200 guys chat. This is fun. I really appreciate you guys 1:57:01.880 --> 1:57:04.760 allowing me in the room. And Uh, I'd love to 1:57:04.760 --> 1:57:06.720 shoot with you guys sometimes if we sometimes we get 1:57:06.760 --> 1:57:09.120 a chance, And I'd love to hunt turkeys with any 1:57:09.520 --> 1:57:13.200 or all of you. Yes, turkeys, let's do it. Can 1:57:13.800 --> 1:57:18.440 Turkeys are the best and anybody who downs turkeys come 1:57:18.480 --> 1:57:21.680 see us. I see a turkey bus tour coming together. 1:57:23.760 --> 1:57:26.040 I'm really I'm already doing a month. Come find me. 1:57:26.880 --> 1:57:29.160 You're doing a month? At least? Where do we send 1:57:29.240 --> 1:57:32.800 mail to bust? I'd give out my address. It all 1:57:32.800 --> 1:57:35.480 gets forward and wherever I'm at. Sam, have you got 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:37.800 any traction on bus B and B that we talked about. 1:57:38.120 --> 1:57:41.080 I have yet to get a message about bus being music. 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:43.920 Let's continue to get that narrative. Tell people about bus 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:46.640 being so bus B and B. If you're traveling somewhere 1:57:46.800 --> 1:57:48.320 and you're gonna need a place to stay, you just 1:57:48.960 --> 1:57:51.800 rent my bus and I'll drive to you. Yep, it's 1:57:51.840 --> 1:57:54.640 called bus B and B. Bus the different than airbnb 1:57:54.640 --> 1:57:56.840 because Sam will drive to wherever you're at. You can 1:57:57.080 --> 1:57:58.640 and you'd be like, man, I need you to park 1:57:58.720 --> 1:58:01.280 that bus next to the conference center and Sam will 1:58:01.320 --> 1:58:03.960 drive right over there. Done, just pull up, pull up, 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:05.640 and then he'll go get a hotel and then you 1:58:05.720 --> 1:58:10.120 just have there's no toilet or shower, but you know 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:16.000 it's okay whatever, some stupid airbnb that's right anyway. Think 1:58:16.080 --> 1:58:19.840 which is a terrible name because nobody makes you breakfast? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:58:19.920 --> 1:58:22.440 that is a misnomer. Would you cook breakfast and bust 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:25.760 being definitely? Oh there you go. See. I think you 1:58:25.800 --> 1:58:28.280 could get a sunshower, you know, a little solar solar 1:58:28.320 --> 1:58:30.440 shower bag. That wouldn't be too hard to actually have. 1:58:30.840 --> 1:58:33.600 I have all of the pieces to do a like 1:58:33.680 --> 1:58:36.960 a full on like propane tankless water, heat or shower. 1:58:37.200 --> 1:58:40.120 I just haven't put all the pieces together. But for bust, 1:58:40.160 --> 1:58:42.480 B and B you'd put it together. Yes, how much 1:58:42.480 --> 1:58:45.320 a night? I think depending on the location, I don't know, 1:58:45.400 --> 1:58:51.520 twelve fifteen thousand, that's fine. I gotta cover diesel fuel 1:58:51.600 --> 1:58:53.760 to get there. It's not great in the mountains. So 1:58:54.040 --> 1:58:55.760 if you're doing, like trying to do a mountain get away, 1:58:55.800 --> 1:59:00.280 I gotta you know, it's the risk. Score. Yeah, let's 1:59:00.320 --> 1:59:02.080 not go over the complication. So let's just talk about 1:59:02.120 --> 1:59:07.280 the good. You know, it's a good things and anything else. Sam, No, 1:59:07.680 --> 1:59:09.520 just thanks for having me on. It's good to be here. 1:59:11.320 --> 1:59:16.200 I'm stressed about changing your flight to stay and shoot again. Yeah, 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:19.120 because I really think that if I took your guys 1:59:19.160 --> 1:59:20.680 attacked and I was like, I'm going out here to 1:59:20.720 --> 1:59:24.080 shoot score and kill these animals, every one of them, 1:59:24.080 --> 1:59:26.120 and I'm not going to accept those errors to go 1:59:26.200 --> 1:59:28.960 anywhere anywhere else, because today I was kind of just 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:32.640 like slaying them and then I started sucking, and I 1:59:32.720 --> 1:59:34.360 was like, well, now I'm just gonna keep slaying him 1:59:34.520 --> 1:59:36.960 and I'm not even gonna aim anymore, and it just 1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:41.000 got bad. I'm very stressed about ah, as well as 1:59:41.040 --> 1:59:44.920 you guys did now poorly perspective wives that we did. 1:59:46.160 --> 1:59:47.760 Let me think about that. Yeahni, are you stressed too 1:59:47.840 --> 1:59:50.720 or don care? No? No, I feel pretty good about 1:59:50.760 --> 1:59:55.640 it about my shooting today the first time ever. Yeah, yeah, again, 1:59:55.720 --> 1:59:57.560 all the like you get, like you said, David, all 1:59:57.560 --> 2:00:00.440 the ones that are within range that you would take 2:00:00.520 --> 2:00:03.680 in the field in real time. I felt like I 2:00:03.880 --> 2:00:09.160 killed all those animals. Hm, well I might change my flight. 2:00:09.240 --> 2:00:13.120 Maybe we'll do about another podcast from tomorrow. I'll follow up. 2:00:13.160 --> 2:00:15.720 I'll follow up podcast. Probably not gonna happen, but they 2:00:15.800 --> 2:00:22.760 might amount empty promises. All right, that's it, bye bye, 2:00:24.440 --> 2:00:27.280 Oh you do it, Johnnie, Johnny gonna hit this stop button. 2:00:29.080 --> 2:00:33.760 That's it. That is all. Episode number twenty two is done. 2:00:34.240 --> 2:00:38.120 Thank you to David, Sam Yanni. We're joining me for 2:00:38.200 --> 2:00:41.320 episode number two and twenty two. I think great conversations there, 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:44.120 really love and learning a little bit from David about 2:00:44.440 --> 2:00:48.080 how to be a better hunter, a better competitor, just 2:00:48.200 --> 2:00:51.600 a better human beings. Davids one is definitely one of those, 2:00:51.640 --> 2:00:53.920 one of my favorite guys hang out with and run 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:56.680 into um and I'm glad he could jump on a 2:00:56.840 --> 2:01:01.040 podcast with us. Same for Yanni tell Us Media Ta 2:01:01.120 --> 2:01:04.440 Crew really enjoyed him. 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