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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcomed episode number twenty two of the Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben O'Brien and today we are in Big Sky,

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Speaker 1: Montana once again for the great conversation. This time is

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Speaker 1: with a bunch of dudes, three to be exact, the

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Speaker 1: first of which is Sam Sohold, whom you know have

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Speaker 1: hopefully listed podcasts, a regular guest, and the bus guy,

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Speaker 1: second of which is Janice Ptelis Bozeman, Montana, part of

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Speaker 1: the Meat Eater crew. You've seen Janice Hopefully on Media TV,

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Speaker 1: Steve Rinella, you've seen him or heard him moreover on

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Speaker 1: the Media to podcast. And last but not least, David Wise.

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Speaker 1: David Wise is, among many things, an Olympic gold melist

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Speaker 1: free skier and half pipe um. He's a four time

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Speaker 1: X Games gold medalist, two time Olympic gold medalist. He

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Speaker 1: scored one most recently a few months back in Soci.

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Speaker 1: He was just coming off a win at the sp

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Speaker 1: Awards as well. So David is a hunter and an

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Speaker 1: Olympic gold manalist. Not a lot of those running around,

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Speaker 1: but it was it was great to get his new

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Speaker 1: perspective on what competing and hunting and what both those

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Speaker 1: things added to his life, so he's had some relative

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Speaker 1: about that from him and those changes and have this

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Speaker 1: whole group together. We all shot the Total Archery Challenge

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Speaker 1: and enjoyed the crap out of that and had a

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Speaker 1: great conversation. So hopefully you enjoy episode number twenty two

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Speaker 1: coming at you. We're recording Yanni tell Us where like

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Speaker 1: tell us about Mike placement on podcasts. Right. I've been

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Speaker 1: taught to by our sound guys that um who are

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Speaker 1: stringing a can in New York who mixed the Mediator

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Speaker 1: podcast to put the mic roughly two fingers off your

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Speaker 1: top lip, so roughly mustache. And I thing we commonly

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Speaker 1: run into is that everybody does this and they go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got two fingers and they're basically making a peace sign,

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Speaker 1: just like I'm just talking about two fingers together together

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Speaker 1: and not yet turned into a B sign. But I

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Speaker 1: was explained, Um, part of it is you're right, David,

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Speaker 1: that you don't want to be breathing into the mic

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Speaker 1: and you don't hear that sound. But supposely there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of sound that comes out of um, sort of

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Speaker 1: the cheekbone, area as people are talking. So what what

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Speaker 1: do you mean by that very confused sound that come

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Speaker 1: Like that's where some of the sound resonates from, Like

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Speaker 1: reverberates from your cheekbones as you're talking. Maybe just the

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Speaker 1: quality of the sound, I don't know, Like, like it's

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Speaker 1: not just all coming out of out of your throat

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Speaker 1: right wherever the MIC's picking it up from. There's something

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Speaker 1: that's coming through your mouth and out through your cheeks

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Speaker 1: a little bit higher than you imagine where your sound

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Speaker 1: comes from. The last thing I'll say about mike placement

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Speaker 1: is that right in front of the lips you get

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Speaker 1: a lot of peas really breathes and and you don't

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Speaker 1: you don't want the popping peas well as this prevent

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Speaker 1: popping peas. That's what you're telling me. Uh, Yanni, introduce yourself. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jana patel us Bose in Montana yea producer, Meat Eater Television,

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Speaker 1: right now, podcast, anything else you want? Know we're at

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Speaker 1: we're talking about we were talking about what your title

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Speaker 1: should be, right, and I said, producers, not enough? Do

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Speaker 1: you agree that's that's not quite descriptive enough? Yeah? Not

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Speaker 1: that I've outgrown because I feel like there's room to

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Speaker 1: grow as a producer still for me, but there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of you know, outlying things that I'm involved in,

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Speaker 1: so producer doesn't quite you know, cover at all. I said,

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Speaker 1: the glue, What do you feel about that? I like it?

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Speaker 1: I like it like that. Yeah, it's got legs. The

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Speaker 1: glue right in? I always tell me, just right, I

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Speaker 1: don't know where you're writing to? Where do you don't

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Speaker 1: have an info at the Hunting Collective? Where do you

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Speaker 1: know most of your messages? I don't know. They're just

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Speaker 1: spread out like half for Instagram. Just right, just right in.

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Speaker 1: Our address is not listed anywhere. Go ahead and right

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Speaker 1: in because I feel like this is bullshit, because I

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Speaker 1: there's maybe go to the hunting clicks dot com. There's

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Speaker 1: emails right there. I can find it there. So right

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Speaker 1: in there, write a letter right to Ben No, right

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Speaker 1: to Yanni. He's got enough going on. Yanni's the glue.

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Speaker 1: He can handle anything. Well, he'd be great. You showed

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Speaker 1: of people wrote in, I've got some ideas, ideas, here's

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Speaker 1: here's the top ten. So if I listen to this,

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Speaker 1: please write in what you think Yanni's meat eater uh

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Speaker 1: idols should be, and please include I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing what your fans come up with. Please include descriptions.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any fans, just reluctant listeners. David described

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Speaker 1: who you are. Hey, everyone, I'm David Wise uh and

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Speaker 1: I am a professional skier by trade slash bow hunting addict.

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Speaker 1: So I'm here in this room because I happen to

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Speaker 1: like to shoot bows a lot, and I'm in the

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Speaker 1: that's how, hopefully how all podcasts work. We're just like,

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Speaker 1: away from your mouth above the top lift or at yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have to have that that tenor through the cheekbones. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming off of a very what will probably forever

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Speaker 1: the Olympics and pyong Chang and bring home a gold medal,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I couldn't be more excited. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you guys this real talk. I couldn't be more excited

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Speaker 1: I want you to describe where we are and then

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Speaker 1: Bus guy. I'm the bus guy. I don't I'm not

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Speaker 1: annoying that you're the bus guy? No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: all seriousness, what mostly goes on in the school bus

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Speaker 1: pretty decent pace for an eight an eight year old,

428
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: but I was still late, you know. But um, I

429
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: loved it so much. I don't know. I think some

430
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: of hunting is in nate, you know that. I don't

431
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: I can't really explain why I liked it, but I

432
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: always liked it lot. And I got to be there

433
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: when my sister got her first buck, and um, I

434
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: got to experience the whole process from you know, the hunting.

435
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: We hunted hard, we had we were having a hard

436
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: time finding anything. Then we saw a buck. She shot it,

437
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: She heart shot it. I mean it was an amazingly quick,

438
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: ethical lethal kill. And you know, the butchering process. All

439
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: that stuff fascinated me and then I got to experience

440
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: it from from a food side, and that was it.

441
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: I was at eight years old. I've been eaten years

442
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: since I was eight. And um, like I said, my time,

443
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: the time for me has always been the biggest, probably

444
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: the biggest obstacle between me and hunting. I think I

445
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 1: look at me and hunting kind of the same way

446
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: I look at me and my wife. This is gonna

447
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: be a really ridiculous analogy, So here we go. You're ready.

448
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: Um where Like my wife and I we met when

449
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: we were young, and we we didn't get together when

450
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: we first met, but we were always destined for each other.

451
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about hunting. Is like I

452
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: hunting and I met at a really young age, but

453
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 1: I always just kind of dip my toes in it.

454
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: But but I was meant to be a sold out

455
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: bow hunter and I just didn't realize it. And the

456
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: same way, the same thing with my wife. I like,

457
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: I met her and she fascinated me, but I didn't

458
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: really know and I wasn't really in a good place

459
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: in my life to be with her at that time.

460
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: And we went we went our separate ways, and um,

461
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, I met back up a couple of years

462
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: later and I was like, holy crap, yeah I can't.

463
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to forget this girl. And you know,

464
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: but beyond that, it was just wildfire. And uh, same

465
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: thing with hunting. It was like I always liked hunting,

466
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: and and in Nevada are our opportunities are somewhat limited,

467
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: especially on the rifle side. Um, if you put in

468
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: for easy to draw units, you can probably you can

469
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: most likely draw a tag a year, but that's not

470
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: even guaranteed. That even that's not guaranteed. The between hunting

471
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: cow elk and putting in for everything else, I mean

472
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: literally when I when I when I would put in

473
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 1: for the Nevada draw it, I'd I'd run it out

474
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: of things to put in for because I just wanted

475
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: to draw something. So the hunting was a little limited,

476
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: so I would just hunt when I drew a tag.

477
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: So you know, when year I draw a deer tag

478
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: and I'd hunt that, And the next year I draw

479
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: a deer tag or maybe an antelope tag, and I'd

480
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: hunt those. Um, whatever tag I happened to draw would

481
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: be the animal I chased. It wasn't like I was.

482
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: I was not very calculated about it. It was just

483
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: kind of like throwing some darts at the wall and

484
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: and and hunting, which everyone stuck. And I drew an

485
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: elk tag one year and I realized, when I drew

486
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: an elk tag, I've never seen an elk. That's gonna

487
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: sound super funny to you guys, because you grew up

488
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: in areas where elk are plentiful, and you see him

489
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: on the side of the highway. And I've seen a

490
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: lot of elk since then. But when I drew it,

491
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: and I want to clarify that, uh, when uh, I

492
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: always started as an elk hunting guide, I'd probably only

493
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: seen maybe a dozen elk up to that point. I

494
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: grew up in the east coast. Yeah, and I grew

495
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: up on the east side of South Dakota. That's true.

496
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: Shut that down. Continue pardon my ignorance. Before you continue,

497
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: I want to give you a plus, definitely an A

498
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: on your analogy, because like, if your gal isn't happy

499
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: with the way that you compared hear, do you like

500
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: your love to hunting, and then she doesn't love you

501
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: more now like she should. I was super first when

502
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: you first put off the analogy, I'm like, he's about

503
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: to crash and burn on that. But that was good

504
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: because when I'm hunting, I'm chasing. When there's chicks running

505
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: up chases, you know, there's no way. I would also say, Um,

506
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: your story, I think it's similar to a lot of

507
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: folk stories, and I'd like to hear from everybody about

508
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: this particular point, which is one my dad stopped hunting

509
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: for a long time until I got into it, and

510
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: then he got back into you at my level. And

511
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: then as I've as my levels of honey with kind

512
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: of increased, he's he's gone back with me, kind of

513
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: like the metronome X. But then also during college, I

514
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: didn't hunt as much. Like during that formative time, we're

515
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: not trying to figure out my life. I wanted markedly

516
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: less than I did when you know, I turned twenty

517
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: three and got out all that and got into like,

518
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: what what do I want my life to be? So

519
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: I I find like that story is not it's pretty

520
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: damn yeah, it's it's a common It's actually a more

521
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: common story. The more I share it with people, the

522
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: more common I realized that is is that um, and

523
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: I think that that the heritage of hunting is super important.

524
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm excited to teach my kids the hunt when they

525
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: grow up, you know. And uh so anyways, yeah, I

526
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: was I stopped on you know, drawing my first elk

527
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: tag and realized I've never seen an elk before and

528
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I guess I gotta go figure this

529
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: animal out. But I've I've grown up. I feel really

530
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: fortunate to have grown up in a in a state

531
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: with so much public land. And I think that that's

532
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: something that we for are all very passionate about. Is

533
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: like we want to see if anything more access to

534
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: public land. Uh, if anything, we want to see it

535
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: just it protected better and better. Because I never once

536
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: hunted on private land until that was like as you're

537
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: talking about, like, idrew a tag here that was all public,

538
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: always peblic land. There was no other there was no alternative.

539
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: We were kind of I mean, me and my dad

540
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: and our hunting buddies, we would kind of laugh at

541
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: the people who went out and bought land on our tags,

542
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: were like, why would we buy a land on our

543
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: tag when we can buy the thirty five dollar deer tag?

544
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: You know. It just it just wasn't the it wasn't

545
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: the the approach that we had to hunting because hunting

546
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: for us was always about food, you know. Uh, it

547
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: was never about shooting the biggest animal. And would we

548
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: shoot if you had a choice between the bigger buck

549
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: or the smaller buck? Are you gonna shoot the smaller buck? No,

550
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna shoot the bigger one. But if you have

551
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: a chance between a small buck and no buck, are

552
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you going to shoot the small buck? Yeah? Because it's food.

553
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: It's food for the freezer, and so yeah, I was

554
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: that was always my heritage growing up in hunting was it?

555
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: It was public land was the only option. And that's

556
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: why I say, I feel really fortunate to having grown

557
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: up in Nevada because we do have so much access

558
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: to public land, and I've learned I wouldn't I wouldn't

559
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: describe myself as a very good hunter, but I'm a

560
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: very relentless hunter. And I think the public land is

561
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: what taught me. That is because I realized everybody has

562
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: the same chance on this piece of ground, but the

563
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: guy who walks a little further in, or goes or

564
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: climbs him out in a little bit faster, he has

565
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: a greater chance. And I learned that from a pretty

566
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: young age and that's how I hunt today. It drives

567
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: some of my friends that I hang out with crazy.

568
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: They're like, why did you walk that far in? Why

569
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 1: did the main the main question usually is why did

570
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: you shoot that that far in? And I'm like, because

571
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: that's where I found it? Sorry, you know, and uh so, anyways,

572
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't I kind of got lost on my No,

573
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: that's a different It's just a different way to grew up.

574
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up hunting public land, but it

575
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: was it was a lot different. You grew up problem Michigan.

576
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think the concept of public land really

577
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: hit me until I was probably but I don't know,

578
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: five years into guiding Elk hunters on public land and

579
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: so I kind of sort of realized what was going on.

580
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: And we had private access to private land to public land, right,

581
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: it was harder to get to. So we saw a

582
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: few dudes coming in and just slowly figured out that

583
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: we were, you know, kind of protecting it. You wouldn't

584
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: talk about it much in town as to where we

585
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: were hunting, right because we had a little bit of

586
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: a honey hoole. But yeah, I mean I was mid

587
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: mid twenties until I was kind of like, oh wow, yeah,

588
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: a hundred square miles that just like just go right.

589
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I was the same way I was, like maybe years old.

590
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: I grew up on in public land mostly and then

591
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: got to wait a minute. I grew up in public land.

592
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: I just thought that was the place everybody went hunting.

593
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I had no idea that it was

594
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: like some kind of classification around where we could go

595
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: and not go. I just thought we go sometimes, we

596
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: go to private every once in a while. We would

597
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: hunt farms. Every once in a while we would most

598
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: of the time we would go public. Yeah, we were

599
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: two things. We would access public through private quite a

600
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: bit growing up, but that was just part of it,

601
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't think anything of it. I really didn't,

602
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: And most of the time, most of the time for me,

603
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: it was never uh we were never hunting on the

604
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: private ground. It was just an access point to to

605
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: a big piece of public land that didn't have a

606
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: lot of access. So um, it was always a cool

607
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: It's cool to be able to go through there because

608
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: then you know, you kind of knew you were gonna

609
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some opportunities to other people weren't. But um,

610
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: as I was talking about my analogy, I'm going to

611
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: complete the circle of the analogy of how I went

612
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: from being a recreational hunter to uh to a guy

613
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: sitting here having a podcast with you guys. Uh. And

614
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: it's almost a hundred percent Remmy Warrant's fall because um

615
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: he beat me to it. I was gonna be yea.

616
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: So if he gave you the Remmy Warrant disease, then

617
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, yeah, he gave me the bug, and

618
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to get away from it. Um.

619
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I So after I was always a hunter and I

620
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: would always put in for tags and and I enjoyed it.

621
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: But it wasn't it honestly wasn't even at the top

622
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: of my list every year. Everything the top five items

623
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: on the top of on my list, we're skiing related.

624
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: And then when I finally changed my perspective, got married

625
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: and had my little girl, my first, my my daughter.

626
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: I have two kids now, Ni Alien Malichi. When I

627
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: had my little girl, my perspective changed, and and and

628
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: three or four of those top five things became family

629
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: and and and people oriented. And that really helped actually

630
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: helped me be a better athlete, better skier because I

631
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: wasn't so caught up in success on a pair of skis.

632
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: But um, but the top five never really included hunting.

633
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: Hunting was up there, you know, it was. It was

634
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: like six seven eight somewhere in there. But um, after

635
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: the Olympics in I won my first gold medal, and

636
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I had more attention on me

637
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: than I had ever expected to have in my whole life.

638
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: For one month of the year. They treat you like

639
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: an absolute celebrity, and people want you to show up

640
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: to their events and they want to they just want

641
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: to take photos with you, and and it was just

642
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: kind of foreign for me because skiers have always appreciated

643
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: what I do, but the rest of the world really

644
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: didn't care. They're like, wow, why why would you flip around?

645
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: And a half pipe? That's silly, you know. Uh So

646
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: I was overwhelmed, as as the mountain. The mountain main

647
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: introvert Emmy was overwhelmed, and I was just having a

648
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: just a casual conversation with Remy. Um. He and I

649
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: have had mutual friends forever. We kind of grew up together,

650
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: and he was just like, listen to Dave I know

651
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: you love to hunt, but I really think you should

652
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: try shooting a compound bow. Um and I I had

653
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: had an old bear re curve my whole life that

654
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: my grandfather handed down to me and my dad kind

655
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: of collectively, He's like, here, this is for both of

656
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: you guys. And Um. So I liked bows. I think

657
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: everybody likes bows, and bows are super cool. But when

658
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Remy gave me one of his old bows and I

659
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: started shooting a compound bow, and I realized how how

660
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: meditative it was, because archery is one of those things

661
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: where you have to slow your heart rate down and

662
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: be focused at the same time. And that really related

663
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: to what I was striving to be as a skier

664
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: is you know, intense. The things that the tricks that

665
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of them have never been done before,

666
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: and so it's really I'm at a high level. I'm

667
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm basically my goal is to reach the highest level

668
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: that I'm capable of on skis, and so it's it's

669
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: kind of intense. But in order to reach that level,

670
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: you can't be you can't be overhyped about it because

671
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: then you're gonna then you're gonna pin the throttle too

672
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: hard and crash um. So you have to be focused

673
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: by calculated and relaxed and calm and and that side

674
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: of archery just spoke to my soul. I mean it

675
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: was as soon as he put that bone in my

676
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: hands and I went and bought my first twelve pack

677
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: of arrows at Cabela's, it was like game over, just

678
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: first of our first really, yes, it's great a heaven

679
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: recommended for guns, but with bows. Just drink away, so like,

680
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: give me a quick it feels like this, And I

681
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: want Yanni to talk to you about skiing because I've

682
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: never skied. Um, but well we need to we need

683
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: to change that. Well we will, Like if we could

684
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: ski right now, we'd go, but it'd be weird and

685
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: stick the landing and stick the arrow like arrow goes

686
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: in the twelve ring, stick to landing on a gold

687
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: metal run. Like what's the I mean you're describing the

688
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: two differences, but those two success points, like what remove

689
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: the audience from the skiing part? Just just you, yeah,

690
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: just me, And and that's that's something that I've always had.

691
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: It It's been both a benefit and the drawback for

692
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: me as a skier because I have these natural mountain

693
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: man tendencies where I don't need to train with a crew.

694
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: I can train. I Actually some of my best training

695
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: is by myself. I mean not even not even by

696
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: myself with a coach or by myself with a friend.

697
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: It's just literally me and the half pipe. That's where

698
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I sometimes do my best work. And so yeah, yeah,

699
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: I I can. I don't have a hard time removing

700
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the crowd from the situation because when I'm out there

701
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: trying to do a new run or trying to land

702
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: what might win a gold medal at the end of

703
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: the day, I'm not necessarily doing it for the crowd.

704
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that the crowd doesn't add

705
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: to the experience and isn't awesome to have them stoked

706
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: for it. But I would do it anyways even if

707
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: they weren't there. So, um, there eerily similar those two feelings, uh,

708
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: And I would describe it in the sense that, um,

709
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: especially when when you look at the Olympics, right, the

710
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: Olympics is every four years. I only compete in one event,

711
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: So I worked, essentially on paper, I work for four

712
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: years for thirty five seconds and a half pipe. Yeah,

713
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: it's four years of effort. It's four years of timing,

714
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: it's four years of blood, sweat and tears, and it

715
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: all comes down to that one moment. And I would

716
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: say that that is the greatest parallel that I The

717
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: bow hunting is actually the closest parallel that I've ever

718
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: found to that same feeling with a bow, more so

719
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: than a rifle, more more so than any other form

720
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: of hunting. You have to practice quite a bit. You

721
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: gotta practice all year long. You gotta stay fit, you

722
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: gotta be in shape, you gotta do your scouting. You

723
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: gotta know you're gonna be able to find the animals.

724
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Then when you get to the zone where you know

725
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna find the animals because you've been doing all

726
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: your scouting ahead of time, and you feel confident that

727
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: you can shoot because you've been shooting so much, you

728
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: still have to see the animals. They still have to

729
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: be in a place where you can make an effective stock.

730
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: All those things have to line up. So that would

731
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: be that that would be the parallel to me maybe

732
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: qualifying for the Olympic team. It's like, okay, here I am,

733
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm ready for the Olympics. Close, yeah, but I still

734
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: have to make the dang team. And then you make

735
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: the team. You know, you get say you close the distance,

736
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: your your hundred yards away now and you can maybe

737
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: it's time to blast off a little cal call, bringing

738
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: in just a little closer into the into the zone.

739
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: And that's me, you know, making the qualifiers. I've qualified,

740
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: you know for finals at the Olympics. Is top twelve, Okay,

741
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: I qualified. I'm in the top twelve. I get to

742
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: compete in the finals at the Olympic Games. That's That's

743
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: that when you close that distance between a hundred and

744
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: fifty on an elk, and then it all comes down

745
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: to that one moment and can you execute so you're

746
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: in range, the elk doesn't know you're there, that whatever

747
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: the animal you're hunting is doesn't know you're there. Can

748
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: you still, with your heart pounding, with all of that

749
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: pressure on you still drawback, take a deep breath, and

750
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: execute the shot that you want to execute. And that's

751
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: kind of how it feels that the Olympics is like

752
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: everything everything goes to that one moment, but you can

753
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: still totally fuck it up in that last moment. You know.

754
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: I joke often about the fact that my main job

755
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: at the Olympics is to not blow it. You know,

756
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: it's like you got there, everything is lined up, but

757
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: you still have to not blow it in the same

758
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: way that you have to treat hunting is like I

759
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: know that arrow, how to get that air to that animals.

760
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: But there's plenty of done in a thousand times. You've

761
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: done it in a thousand times. But this last year

762
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I shot an up right square in the ass. I

763
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, when he's coming in view, Oh yeah, daddy,

764
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's thirty three yards steady stops and I

765
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: just shot it right in the ass. And I thought, yeah,

766
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: for me, that for you jumping up doing the halfway

767
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: probably like jumping into the crowd steak. Here's here's where

768
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: the here's where my analogy falls apart right at your

769
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: wife coming back internet different analogies. Uh. Here my my

770
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: analogy between comparing skiing and hunting. Uh. At the Olympics,

771
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I get three tries. It's the best of three format.

772
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: Don't know how many hunts are best of three formats,

773
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: but uh. But because because that's how the Olympics went

774
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: from me this year I was having on my first run,

775
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: potentially what would have ever would have always gone down

776
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: for me in my mind as the best run of

777
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: my life. I was literally landing the tricks, I was

778
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: going higher, and I was landing the tricks cleaner and

779
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: making everything as smooth as I have ever done it,

780
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: and my ski just popped off, And that would that

781
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: would be kind of you know, if we're if we're

782
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna I'm I'm as people are probably aware by now.

783
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm a pretty big fan of analogies. That

784
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of your your rest breaking or

785
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: your de loop breaking is like, oh, maybe switching, yeah,

786
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: or the wind switching. Exactly. You did everything right and

787
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: there's one thing that you have no control over. It

788
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: went wrong. That happened on my first run, and I

789
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: was like, I was kind of like, I was a

790
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: little flustered, but but I've been doing this long enough

791
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: that I can. I can, you know, shrug my shoulders, wipe,

792
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: wipe the dirt off my shoulders, and go up and

793
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: do another one. It happened again on the second round,

794
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is ridiculous, Like the first

795
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: of all, this kind of thing doesn't happen to me

796
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: at all. It maybe happens once or twice a season,

797
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: you have a you have we we would call it

798
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: a binding prerelease, where you're you're binding releases in a

799
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: situation where it shouldn't have and that will happen to

800
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: me once or twice a season and you kind of

801
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: just you kind of just brush it off and move on.

802
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: It just happens. The the amount of torque that we're

803
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: putting on skis is more than any design any manufacturer

804
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: ever intended skis to have any any that then they

805
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: ever intended. So you don't get special bindings, are they are? Yeah,

806
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: my skis are custom made. My bindings are custom made.

807
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying those tolerances even then, I'm pushing

808
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: the level of the tolerances. So at some point, every

809
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: once in a while you have a fluke binding issue.

810
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: It happens. But to have it happened twice in one

811
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: day and have it be have that day that it

812
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: happens twice in one day be the Olympic Games was

813
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous. I mean it was silly, and so

814
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I was going into my third run and and I

815
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: was kind of mad. I was mad between my second

816
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: and third run, and I was like, this is really

817
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: how this story is gonna go, Like, after everything I

818
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: put into this, is this how the story is gonna go.

819
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: Because I went through some pretty hard seasons getting back

820
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. Uh. But then I just kind of

821
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: laughed kind of the same way that you do when

822
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: you are going on a hunt and and you're just

823
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: kind of like, well the wind switch, man, Like I

824
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: don't have any control over that, and that's how I.

825
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: That's how I. That's like kind of that whimsical field

826
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: that I had going into my third run, It's like, no,

827
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: I just reminded myself. I was like, look, man, you

828
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: did everything that you were capable of doing, and things

829
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: went wrong. We're going to crank those bindings up as

830
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: high as they go. On my third run, if I

831
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: had crashed my my my legs would have broken before

832
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: my bindings came up. The thing, things weren't coming off

833
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: on that third run. We put them all the way

834
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: at the top, which is obviously not that safe. Not

835
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: something what bindings are, right, I don't know. Let me

836
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: let me inform you by the binding is the thing

837
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: that you you used to attached your foot to the ski.

838
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: It's the thing that you click into so you so

839
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: there's a heel piece and a toe piece kind of

840
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of similar to, uh, just a pair of a

841
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: really good pair of boots. Is like you you click

842
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: the toe in and then you click the heal in.

843
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: That thing keeps you attached to the ski. And the

844
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: dudes that are hardcore, uh, they had a couple of

845
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: people once tell me, um, better than knees than the skis,

846
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: meaning that they're going to crank up those bindings so

847
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: that that ski never comes off because they want to

848
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: stay with their ski, not lose it somewhere off in

849
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: the woods that they crash whatever. They'd rather just have

850
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: a blown out knee. That's kind of That's kind of

851
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: the approach that I had to that third run is like,

852
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm for it because it's the Olympics and because I've

853
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: been working so hard to get here. I'm going to

854
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: crank these things all the way up with the confidence

855
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: that I'm going to land it. So I'm worried that

856
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: people don't understand, like truly what you're talking about. You're

857
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: talking about cause I watched the Olympic Games. Um kind

858
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: of with Remy, we were texting back and forth when

859
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: you won the gold. We're not talking about just I

860
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: just jump up and do a couple of ends and land.

861
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: This is like how many how many rotations do you

862
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: go through on one of these? Uh? Can you back up?

863
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: If we're gonna go go here, let's back up all

864
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: the way to like, yes, tell us about the half pipe,

865
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: the depth of the half pipe, because that alone, like

866
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: to stand in the mid in the bottom of the

867
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: half pipe that these guys ride and look up at

868
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: those walls that they're riding. I mean, I'm a decent skier.

869
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: I'll ski most everything on this mountain that we're sitting

870
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: next to. But to even come up to that lip

871
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: and just confidently ski off of it and down to

872
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 1: the half pipe, it's it's it gets you know, butterflies

873
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. I would say, I would

874
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: say the half pipe is probably the most uh daunting

875
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: looking feature that you can ski on skiing. I mean

876
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: it's a twenty two football basically vertical wall. Most of

877
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: the time, they're pretty icy because they construct these things

878
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: and it's not like they can keep at once they've

879
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: constructed it. They can't keep adding fresh snow so that

880
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: it's nice and soft and chalky. It's like no once

881
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: you've built it, it stays there. So they're usually pretty

882
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: icy and um, the margin for air is really slim

883
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: because I'm taking off and landing on the same surface,

884
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: just like half pipe on a skateboard or a BMX

885
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: bike or anything else. So if I pop a little

886
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: too hard pop is our term for jumping. If I

887
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 1: jump a little too hard off the takeoff, I'll land

888
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: way out in the middle, you know, where it's flat

889
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: and if I pop a little, if I don't pop enough, uh,

890
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: then I'll land on what on the deck or on

891
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: the coping where which is the flat part beyond the

892
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: vertical part. Yeah, I'm getting it. So it's it's a

893
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: daunting I'm getting no. No, no, I watched it, so

894
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: I know what it looks like. I'm visually, but I

895
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: just just the description of, like I look at these hills,

896
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't go down that, like I hike

897
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: up it and walk down it. But just just a

898
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: description of being in your head speeding down that son

899
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: of a bit going up the other side. That's to me.

900
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: That is how much actual vert is is of the

901
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: twenty two ft is vertical wall. How it's the last

902
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: three or four feet. It's near it's actually not it's

903
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: actually not ninety degrees, it's about eighties eight, six eighty

904
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: nine anywhere. And they're depending on who's cutting it and

905
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: how their night went last night or whatever. So but

906
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: another thing people have to think about is you compared

907
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: the half pipe, you know, like to skateboarding and BMX,

908
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: but not only are you moving vertically, you're moving very

909
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: fast horizontally yep, so you're at That's one of the

910
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: one of the main differences skiing and snowbarning. Half pipe

911
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: are are a half pipe that's built on a hill.

912
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: It's it's built apparel, it's built down a hill. So, um,

913
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: the way the only way that we can generate enough speed.

914
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: We're going my I think my Olympic run of average

915
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen ft out of the half pipe. So

916
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: on each hit, I'm going eighteen feet out of a

917
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: twenty two ft How fast you going into the half

918
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: pipe thirty five to forty miles, But that's in the

919
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: that's in the flats. When I start. As soon as

920
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you hit the wall, you're you're going up a hill,

921
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: so you slow down. I'm not going thirty five miles

922
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: an hour. Off the takeoff or I'd probably go thirty

923
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: five ft out it's so um but so yeah, we're traveling.

924
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: Not only just not we're not we're taking off and

925
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: landing on the same surface. But each air I'm probably

926
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: eating up six seventy a half pipe. So from takeoff

927
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: to landing, uh, is anywhere between forty five and sixty

928
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: five feet down the half pipe. So yeah, that's yards

929
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: in archery terms. Yeah, we're gonna keep baking. There's a

930
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: lot of travel. Uh yeah, and each each hit, I

931
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: guess since we're going there, I'll give you a good

932
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: overview of of my sport and what I did. Don't

933
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: be shy, we won't. Um. So I average just say

934
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: this for listeners. We're gonna get to my turkey hunting things,

935
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: hunting talk. It's way more interesting. We're going to get

936
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: to that. Go. We'll get there. Um. On average, there's

937
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: five hits in a run, so it's in it's a

938
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: combination five or six. Sometimes there's six, and most of

939
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: the time it's five. Occasionally there's a half pipe that's

940
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: extra long, we'll get seven. Uh. And occasionally there and

941
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: a half five it's extra short and we get four.

942
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: But most of the time it's five or six and

943
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: you're scored on all five of those tricks, and if

944
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: you do four out of five and mess up the

945
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: last one, you still get a fall score. It's just

946
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: it's you can't you can't do well with a with

947
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: a following around at all. Um. The judging is based

948
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: around quite a few criteria, but just to simplify it,

949
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: I'll say it's based around how high you go, the

950
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: difficulty of the tricks that you do, and how well

951
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: you execute those tricks. Well, I'll do four, how will

952
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: you execute the tricks, and how stylish you are And

953
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: a huge part of free skiing. Free skiing originated because

954
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: we wanted to do things differently than all the other

955
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: sports that were out there. We didn't want to race,

956
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: we didn't want to wear spandex, we didn't necessarily want

957
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: to ski the moguls anymore. We didn't want to do aerials,

958
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: We didn't want to do anything that was similar to

959
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: what was being done. We wanted to do things our

960
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: own way, and so style is a huge part of it.

961
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: And a way that you can recognize good style is

962
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: somebody who takes something that looks really hard and makes

963
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: it look easy. That's style or what we do, what

964
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: we ste styling, and uh so we're judged on all

965
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: those four criteria and the guy who can do all

966
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: four of those can go really high, do technical tricks,

967
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: execute them well. That means landing high, carrying their speed well,

968
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: and add that element of style. That's the guy who

969
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: wins at the end of the day. Ste No, I

970
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: don't have style, orse like everything looks harder. I give

971
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: you skiers props too, because I came from snowboarding and

972
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: probably went I changed to his being a skier in

973
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: like two thousand and one too, somewhere in there. And

974
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: that was after twenty years of snowboard man. So I

975
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: was like, die in the wool man. That was like

976
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: my thing, you know, it was a skateboard and whatnot.

977
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: And so when skiers first started dropping into half pipe,

978
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: so I was like, what is this bullshit? But then man,

979
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: they progress us and the next thing, you know, snowboards

980
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: could only make it out fifteen feet. And the next thing,

981
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: now you're talking like you're so maybe I was off.

982
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: They were going out at ten and all of sudden,

983
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: skiers and that's the reality is there. There's some physical

984
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: there's physical reasons for that. Right, snowboard you have one

985
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: edge on on skis you have too. Um, there there's

986
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: things that are easier on a snowboard. There's there's there's

987
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: things that are easier on skis. That's why I mean

988
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: the guys I like to hang out with and and

989
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: actually inspire me the most are snowboarders at right. Yeah,

990
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: because uh, I think it's important to not spend too

991
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: much time with people who are just like you. And

992
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: so there's things that I can see on from the

993
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: snowboarding guys and I'm like, ah, man, I feel like

994
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: we could do that on skis. And that's where I

995
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: draw some inspiration from. It's it's sort of like a

996
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: secret source because everybody's like, where do you come up

997
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: with all this stuff from? And I'm like, well, what

998
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of somebody else? Stealing from somebody that you aren't

999
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: looking to. I like, that is there. Um, you got

1000
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: a lot of adulation, right, You got a lot of

1001
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: people coming up to you saying thank you or congratulations

1002
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: or whatever people say adulation. That's it's great. Where I

1003
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: put that in my repertoire word of the day calendar,

1004
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: um describe that the adulation. I mean, you just want

1005
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: to ask you award? Right, how many days ago? Not

1006
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: long today, Saturday? I wanted on Thursday, Thursday, you were

1007
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: in l A walking the red carpet, all kinds of people.

1008
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Now you're here walking the walking side, walking side of

1009
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: the mountain. Is that just this has nothing to do

1010
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: with anything other than that adulation, you know, I know

1011
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: it's temporary in the in the Olympics sense. But as

1012
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: that adulation comes, and as as people you know, read

1013
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: these things and give you praise, do you find yourself

1014
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: more defensive or do you fall into it? You fall

1015
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: into like I was great, fuck it like I was

1016
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: because you were. You were better than everybody in the

1017
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: world for that one month that time. I always wondered

1018
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: that about people that experience those crazy highs. You fall

1019
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: into that high and just be like I'm going Or

1020
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: is there some defensiveness, like, man, I'm a skier, I

1021
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: just did that one thing really well. They gave me

1022
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: a big shiny thing. But that is there somewhere in

1023
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: the middle there for you or definitely you get you

1024
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: get the gold medal for that question, because that's a

1025
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: really good question. Um. I think I've I think I've

1026
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: definitely fallen victim to both both sides of it, and uh,

1027
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: I think the more mature you are, the more you

1028
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: realize that that stuff is temporary and that adulation is

1029
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: is fleeting. And that's why I think it's most it's

1030
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: more important to surround yourself with people who knew who

1031
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: you were before you had any success than it is

1032
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: to surround yourself with people who really like you, because

1033
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: I've I think we've all seen it in Hollywood, and

1034
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we've all had we all have

1035
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: personal experiences with people who had a little more success

1036
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: than they expected to, or they got what they wanted

1037
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: and suddenly they weren't that cool to you anymore. And

1038
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: that is the last thing that I want to have

1039
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: happened to me. You know. The reality is I feel

1040
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: like everything that I have is a gift. I didn't

1041
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: make myself. I didn't choose how how how tall I

1042
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: was going to be yet and choose the fact that

1043
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna grow up in a family that would

1044
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: would sell out and support my dreams. Um we didn't

1045
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: as a family, wouldn't go on a family vacation. Ever,

1046
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: the first vacation that I went to a sunny place

1047
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: where you know, the sunshines and I could surf. Was

1048
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: with my wife after the first elymp after my first Olympics,

1049
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: because and I'm not complaining, I'm I'm just saying that

1050
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: my parents we sacrificed every dollar that we had, in

1051
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: every moment of vacation time that we could to support

1052
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: both my ski career and my sister's ski careers. So um,

1053
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: that's not that's something I can't take credit for. How

1054
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: can I take credit for that that I did do

1055
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: any of that stuff? So realizing that even though for

1056
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: that one moment, I did execute as well as I

1057
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: could have, and I did win that gold medal, even

1058
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: in that moment, I can't take credit for it because

1059
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: all of those things that got me there were gifts.

1060
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: So um, I like to my my goal with that

1061
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: adulation is to share it. I'm like, hey, look, I'm

1062
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: glad you're excited about what I did, because I think

1063
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: skiing is super eff and cool too. I I think

1064
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: you should go ski half pipe. I really do. So

1065
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to sort of embrace that

1066
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: excitement around my sport and what I do. At the

1067
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: same time, I want to be like look, this belongs

1068
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: to you too. This isn't just mine and I I'm

1069
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: just a guy who likes who's doing what he likes

1070
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: to do. And uh. Another one of my huge motivations

1071
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: in my public persona is is inspiring kids to do

1072
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: what they want to do too. I don't care if

1073
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: it has happens to be half five skiing or not,

1074
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: but I would I would describe my elf as not

1075
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: necessarily the most talented person ever. You know, I wasn't

1076
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: the kid who was a phenom. I was never the

1077
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: kid that people picked out from a lineup and said

1078
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: that kid's gonna be something someday. I just I was

1079
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: born without that. I was born without the takes no

1080
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: for an answer gene like. I just I was just like,

1081
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't really care how good I am now. I

1082
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: think I can get there, and I would just chip

1083
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: away at it, one day at a time, one one

1084
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: contest at a time, one one trick at a time.

1085
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the kids who were the phenoms

1086
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: that everybody was talking about and saying that kid's gonna

1087
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: be something someday, we're losing to me. And there they

1088
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: didn't understand why. And so that's my That's one of

1089
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: the main things that I try to talk to uh,

1090
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: the youth or or even even adults, because everybody has

1091
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: something they can they can be inspired by. That's what

1092
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: always what I say is, don't focus on where you're

1093
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: at right now, don't focus on what people tell you

1094
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: you don't have enough of focus on what you do

1095
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: have and make it a little better. What is it

1096
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: you want to do, Get a little better and so um,

1097
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: that would be my that that's my uh six years

1098
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: removed persup. UH perception of the adulation of of winning

1099
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medal is like it is, uh certainly

1100
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: one of the most overwhelming things. And I've spent time

1101
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: thinking I was the coolest thing in the world. And

1102
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: I've been reminded by I've been reminded by the people

1103
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: in my life who really love me that I'm not

1104
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: that I'm not that cool. I'm really just the nerd

1105
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: who likes to ski at the end of the day.

1106
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: So UM, I think it's important to surround yourself with

1107
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: people who know who you are deep down, and not

1108
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: with people who are who are who are just saying

1109
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: your name and saying you're the coolest thing ever. Because

1110
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: that's what happens. I think to two people in Hollywood

1111
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: is they just they get so much adoration, and the

1112
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: reality is those people who are coming up to you

1113
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: on the street, you could do something that was totally

1114
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: messed up and not cool, and they'd still be like, Wow,

1115
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't care, You're the coolest. And as soon as

1116
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: you get too many people are like that around you,

1117
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: you're in a dangerous spot. So I try to avoid that.

1118
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: I try to avoid having people in my core group

1119
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: who think anything I do is cool. I like to

1120
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: have the people around me who tell me, David, that

1121
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: was not that was not that, that was not that tight.

1122
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't like how you're your motherfucker. I like that.

1123
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of like most of the guests

1124
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: on this podcasts have been, you know, high level hunting folks.

1125
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe, like there's no comparison

1126
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: to what you do to hunting world type of stuff,

1127
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: but most of the people have have experienced some kind

1128
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: of adulation based on their hunting life. Yanni has to

1129
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: some extent, like Sam has some extent. There's these are

1130
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: tiny little blips on the radar, but these are still

1131
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: somebody come up to be like what you do is cool,

1132
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: Like that's the first time that happens to everyone, whether

1133
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: you're hunting or skiing or whatever. I feel like that

1134
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: just kind of it can either go a good way

1135
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: or it can go a really bad way. Yeah, I agree.

1136
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: Do you think about that, Yanni ever? Like because you're

1137
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you're on the it's good good to stay humble,

1138
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, stay humble, Sam, I'm just gonna be a

1139
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: full bad way. Yeah. Let that go to my start,

1140
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: just starting, just starting handling. Sign a sign, an autograph.

1141
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: But like you ever seen the bus sign your baby?

1142
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: I always carry a sharpie. I sign a lot of

1143
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: things people don't want to to. I've ruined a lot

1144
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: of just you know, like memorability that people got just

1145
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: for being an event. I've drawn a lot of busses

1146
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: on people's T shirts. I'll tell you that right now. No,

1147
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: I think Yoh's right. I think it's it's good to

1148
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: stay humble, and it's just you at the end. I

1149
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: think the best quote I've ever heard as far as

1150
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: people in the hunting industry, no matter how many people

1151
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: know who you are in the hunting industry, you're not famous.

1152
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: I think that that's a very good equipta d Yeah,

1153
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how big you are in skiing, you're

1154
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: still just a skier. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way

1155
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: to put it. Totally fine. We're gonna spend this off

1156
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: now to the turkey topic because I really liked turkeys

1157
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: and Yanni is a big turkey hunting right Ni would

1158
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 1: you describe speaking of being good at skiing t hunting? Yeah?

1159
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: Out what level of turkey hunter are you? How much?

1160
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: How much compared to my passion? Like right now it

1161
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: it might be number one? Do you think so? For me?

1162
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: Right now and at this time it's number one for me, Sam,

1163
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: Where does it rank for you? I would say probably

1164
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: number two because behind what I love deer hunting. It

1165
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's white, tyler, mule deer. I just

1166
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: love deer hunting. Okay, So, David, have you ever run

1167
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: in Turkey's? What's Let's let me bring up another analogy

1168
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: since that's my that's my theme, my wife and turkey hunter.

1169
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: Since I'm sitting with three very avid turkey hunters, I'm

1170
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: gonna be I've heard a sportscaster this Olympics talk about

1171
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: how there should always be like a layman for every

1172
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: every time you have an intense Olympic sport, you should

1173
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: always have somebody who's just a random er pulled from

1174
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: the crowd so that everybody can unders and exactly how

1175
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: hard this is. Uh and and I think Half Life

1176
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: is a great example of that, where there there should

1177
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: be somebody who just skis up that thing and is terrified,

1178
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: just to show you that it's actually terrifying. Like me, like, yeah,

1179
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: next time you would film a pipe video, I'm gonna

1180
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: have you come and be there and it would just

1181
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: be me screaming. That's all you would hear. There go.

1182
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: So I'm the turkey layman in the group. I've literally

1183
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: never hinted a turkey in my life. That's good to hear,

1184
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: but it's now apparently because I respect all three of

1185
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: you and your opinions. If you think turkey hunting is

1186
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: that dang cool, there must be something I'm missing because

1187
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: I grew up in Nevada where you gotta put in

1188
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: for seven years and get seven years of bonus points

1189
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: to maybe draw a turkey tach. I like that. I

1190
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: like that, that's that's your and I've never bothered because

1191
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: it's the wrong season. Well there's there's yeah, there's other

1192
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: things that other things to do, like mule deer and elkins,

1193
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: every other thing. Um, Turkey hunting is the best because

1194
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: why um, speaking of being humbled, you can get your

1195
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: ass humbled on a consistent basis chasing those birds. And

1196
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: that probably is one of the reasons that it's hard.

1197
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: In the moment, it's hard, kind of hard to say.

1198
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: When he just walks away from you and you get humbled,

1199
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's why I love it. In that moment,

1200
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to say that. But looking back over the

1201
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: course of the season, where I got to hunt eighteen

1202
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: days and I think I killed three birds, um, and

1203
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: that had probably for three birds that I killed, there

1204
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: was probably ten birds that I'm interacted with and I

1205
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: didn't kill them like you know, and I could again,

1206
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: I consider myself to be a good hunter, and so

1207
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: did to have that playing field be right there. Had

1208
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: I killed all thirteen, I don't know how I feel

1209
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: about it, right. Sam describes them sometimes like puffed up

1210
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: rumas like they're just rolling around, they don't know what's

1211
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: going on. I like to believe they're so dumb that

1212
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: they're hard to hunt because they there is no rhyme. Yeah,

1213
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: turkey really does never know where he's going. They have

1214
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: no idea. So I described it as a puffed up

1215
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: room because they fly down and then they puff up

1216
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: and then they just walk around and they like run

1217
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: into the edge of the field and then they just

1218
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: go to the other direction and they hit that edge

1219
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: of the field and they go into the woods and

1220
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: then like a half hour later just like pop back out.

1221
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: So you know they're in there, just like hitting trees

1222
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: back and forth and eating bugs and you know, just

1223
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: chasing huh yeah, let it all. But let them see

1224
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: a glimpse of a kyo on the far side of

1225
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: that field yards away, and they're like and they just

1226
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: melt into the ground, just gone gone. That's why they're

1227
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: so great because they're so unpredictable. Don't know what the

1228
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: turkey is gonna do, because the fucking turkey doesn't know

1229
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: what it's going to do. And then at some level

1230
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: that switches on when that turkey knows what it wants

1231
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: and you know what it wants, and you've got to

1232
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: play that game and you're talking to a raptor like

1233
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: that's for like this is a mini dinosaurs sleeps. It's

1234
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: a uh sleeps and trees and it's got rapture like

1235
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: hooks on the back of its legs and it flies

1236
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: down out and you talk to it and it comes in.

1237
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, on my hand so and it's like, yeah, okay,

1238
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: I see you. I'm looking to have some I'm go

1239
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: the fuck. And then it's like yeah, okay, I want that.

1240
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: Then it starts coming and maybe it's just hooking up.

1241
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: What are you really down? Like, I don't really see

1242
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: you moving around too much? And you got per get

1243
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: it in these last little bits of like tantalizing sounds

1244
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: that that turkey's gonna have. It finally comes in. It

1245
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: checks up on the decoy and it starts to strut,

1246
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: spit druns. It's like oscillating feathers and its wings are

1247
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: moving back and forth, and it's just it doesn't have

1248
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: any idea what it's doing. It's a room at that

1249
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: point because this is like I'm about to get it on,

1250
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure how to do it. I'm gonna

1251
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: take a couple of circles and then like that moment

1252
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: happens when you're ready to shoot it. And you shoot

1253
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: it and you always have. Like the flopping turkey is,

1254
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: in my mind, the number one thing you can see

1255
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: in the woods, Like the flopping turkeys. Your guy that

1256
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: likes to flop, you don't like to just when they

1257
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: fold up and fall over. I'm not saying I like

1258
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: the fact that they're flopping around. I just like the

1259
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: fact that that that entire dance is played out and

1260
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: now I'm successful. I'm not saying I disrespect the thing

1261
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: as it's dying or like enjoy the death of it,

1262
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: but I enjoy like it gets me going to know

1263
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: that I've just had a conversation to some level with

1264
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: a wild raptor that sleeps in trees, flies down every

1265
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: morning and has little to no chance to really know

1266
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: what it's doing. But like that that dance, to me

1267
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: is it's more intense than elk cutting. I feel like, yeah,

1268
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm still at the point where every time one is

1269
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: flopping or folds over dead, I'm kind of relieved and like,

1270
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe that happened, Like I

1271
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: can't believe he's dead. Yeah, yes, that's I think. Why

1272
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: the flop is It's such a satisfactory thing, Like that happened.

1273
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: I did that. I used a fucking piece of wood

1274
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: that's some fellow crafted to make noises to a giant,

1275
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,479
Speaker 1: you know bird that just came in and I'm gonna

1276
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: eat it. It's gonna be glorious and some of the

1277
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: best meat ever. That's another reason, Like you say you

1278
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: grew up, Dave, Yeah, I think. Uh not to interrupt you, sorry,

1279
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: I really resonated with the fact you talked about this, uh,

1280
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: this thing that we're gonna get into a little later,

1281
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: so I won't I won't spoil. But you talked about

1282
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: shooting enough turkeys to not have to buy white meat

1283
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 1: for the year, and that you have like, because that's

1284
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: so foreign to me. Turkey hunting hasn't appealed to me

1285
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: anymore than it ever did. In that moment when you

1286
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, oh, I could I could

1287
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: get into that, because the reality is in my house,

1288
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: we don't need any we don't eat anything that's red

1289
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: meat that's not game. Um. I've and that's you know, God,

1290
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: given I've had some very successful years. I've had a

1291
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of years in a row, three

1292
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: years in a row where I've been able to kill

1293
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: a deer in an elk and a couple of times,

1294
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: uh too too elk in a deer. So I've got

1295
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: lots of meat around. I'm actually kind of getting getting dry.

1296
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: So we're gonna need We're gonna need to go hunt

1297
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: again here pretty soon. But um, being able to just

1298
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: pull from the freezer and never have to go to

1299
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: the store for red meat is amazing to me, and

1300
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: in the qualities ten times better. So when you said

1301
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: that about white meat, and I was like, man, all right,

1302
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: do you guys eat chicken? Do you guys eat chicken

1303
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: like store about chicken and lunch meat like turkey and whatnot?

1304
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: You guys, Sam, you eat a lot of chicken storebroll chicken,

1305
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: probably half dozen chickens. Well, now we have chickens, so

1306
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 1: it's probably last year. I don't know if we bought

1307
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: any of the chicken. But prior to that, Yeah, And

1308
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: Steve said this about like what his brother says, like

1309
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: the store bought chicken. You simply cannot replicate that going

1310
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: up on the mountain. No, it's just like even shooting

1311
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: a while at turkey. You can roast that thing a

1312
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: special way you want. You're not getting what you get

1313
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: when you take out getting a vacuum sealed thing. They

1314
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: just lived in a barn and like stood in one

1315
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: area for oh, not necessarily. I mean, I mean we

1316
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: grew chickens that basically just ran around our yard. And

1317
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: when you roast that chicken, man, it's a different animal.

1318
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: It's just been domesticated over you know, over time. Yeah,

1319
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: and it's greasy and buttery, and it's been genetically bread

1320
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: to be delicious. Exactly whereas the turkeys that were hunting,

1321
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,959
Speaker 1: the elk that we're hunting, the deer that were hunting,

1322
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: even though they do so happen to be delicious, they didn't.

1323
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: They weren't bread to be delicious. And they just are delicious.

1324
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: That not even if you put like little bowls of

1325
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: butter and garlic out in the field that they'd come

1326
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: and eat, or maybe even in your backyard, would you

1327
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: ever feed them butter or anything like that. They eat scraps,

1328
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm sure there's some butter in there.

1329
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's lookingna be like the fucking dumb question. All right,

1330
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: Well we'll go back to here's mine. Everybody has said

1331
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: it in this room, Like there's the red meat thing

1332
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: we're all dialed in on if you kill an elk,

1333
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: you have a family of four, Correctly, you've got a

1334
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: family of four. I've got a family of three, and

1335
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: you just live in a bus. It takes more than

1336
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: one elk, more than one elk right in my house. Yeah,

1337
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: for me, it's like an elk, an elk and two

1338
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: or three deer is so much that you can give

1339
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: a lot of way to the people that you care

1340
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: to share that with and get them excited about it

1341
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: and still be well in hand with last season, and

1342
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: an elk and two deer was enough for me to

1343
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:28,479
Speaker 1: be generous, not not overtly generous, but generous and still

1344
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: feed my family. But I'm down to my like last

1345
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: ten pounds of me. Then you're starting to get nervous

1346
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: around July. Yeah, I gave too much. I'm out here shooting.

1347
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: I need to I need to be I need to

1348
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: be ready to harvest when the chance comes. That's I mean,

1349
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: if that happened to me every year, we're late July,

1350
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: I was kind of running out. That's you know, it's

1351
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: a good place to Yeah, And the reality is, because

1352
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: I've been I've been in three years of plenty. Um

1353
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: if I run out. I got hunting buddies who haven't

1354
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, And and there's a community sense in that aspect.

1355
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: They're like, oh wow, yeah, you're right when you shot

1356
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: those two elk that one year and you gave me

1357
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: a bunch that was good. I got a lot. You

1358
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: can always go to Remy's house. He's probably, yeah, he's

1359
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: talking to me about that guy, like I'd like to

1360
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: have some bongo and a little bit of tar beating,

1361
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: like a couple of freezers from that. Yeah, we all

1362
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: know plenty of people that aren't getting through everything that

1363
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: they're killing now. No, not at all. I would put

1364
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: myself in that. This is kind of you start to

1365
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: you understand, Like, man, we eat a lot of backstripping

1366
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: tendeling around my house. It's a first world meeting and

1367
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. Um. But for the turkey part,

1368
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: like my wife, about two years ago, my wife started

1369
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: saying to me, I started getting frustrated with the chicken

1370
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: we were running because my fault was like, let's buy

1371
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: chickens and salter and or figure something out. And she

1372
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: just said, I don't want to eat red meat all

1373
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: the time. I want other options. Um. And I was

1374
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: frustrated with the night tratee turkey meat we were eating

1375
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: and the pretty chick in that we were buying. And

1376
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: of course over that time we've shifted up those types

1377
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: of habits to make sure ship is organic and a

1378
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: little more comfortable with that. But at the same time,

1379
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: it's like that doesn't jive with my the way that

1380
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: I want to live my life, the way that I

1381
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: want to eat my meat. And so it feels like

1382
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of a fallacy to be like, I'm

1383
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: a wild game guy, you know, eat with your killed

1384
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: type thing. But then when it comes to white meater,

1385
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: like I'll buy a chicken here, They're just to make

1386
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: sure we have a little variety, and so we I

1387
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 1: try to sit down and think about how many turkeys

1388
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: I would have to shoot to eliminate the chicken that

1389
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: we bought. Now, I also put for point empstence, I

1390
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: put in there like doves and pheasants and or quail

1391
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: in Texas, like how much of that do I need

1392
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: to have to make sure that we don't have this

1393
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: first world problem, but a problem nonetheless for the lifestyle

1394
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: that we want. And I came up with ten turkeys, legs, breast,

1395
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: the entire thing for a year would get my family,

1396
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: there's three of us, get us through without having to

1397
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: buy any chicken or any lunch meat or anything like that.

1398
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: So that's my mission. And now that's been two years ago.

1399
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: And then at that time of my goal of killing

1400
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: twenty turkeys, I've killed I think eight of them, but

1401
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: I still have that goal every damn year to kill

1402
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: ten turkeys. How did you come up with the number?

1403
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: I looked at how much yield you get from turkey breast,

1404
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: and how much if I cook a full turkey breast,

1405
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: is I put on the trigger and smoke or whatever,

1406
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 1: how much we can get from that. So we generally

1407
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: would get just from that, just just kind of medallion

1408
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: roasted turkey. We could generally get one dinner and about

1409
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: three or four or five lunches from one breast, depending

1410
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: on what we were doing. And so then you're looking

1411
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: at two breast off one turkey is going to get

1412
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: you through generally two weeks of of living. And tried

1413
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: to say, if we meet our consumption of white meat,

1414
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: then we would eventually get to the fact where we

1415
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: got twenty breast, twenty legs, and we can get through

1416
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: any needs we have generally for one ends up being

1417
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: about ten months a time before you can refresh and

1418
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: get get back to it. That's it's all just guesswork.

1419
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: But from killing like three or four turkeys a year,

1420
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: that's like a breast every three weeks least somewhere seems good.

1421
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: It's like just under a whole turkey a month. Yeah,

1422
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: something like that. And because a lot of states Montana

1423
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: we were talking about, you can kill five turkeys if

1424
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: you get real real Western and in Texas you can

1425
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: kill four if you just buy a license, and a

1426
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: lot of states South Dakota you can kill two Miriam's Yes, uh,

1427
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: you can kill two? Yes you can. Can you kill

1428
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: two and then go to the Black Hields and kill

1429
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: another one? Or is it no? You can? Well, yes

1430
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: you can. You can buy leftover tags even as non residents.

1431
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: You can get more than more than two tags. But um,

1432
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: if you're just doing it like right off, like if

1433
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: you just want to buy two over the counter tags,

1434
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: you can get a state wide archery and a Black

1435
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: Hills shotgun tag. So you do it. And then Montana,

1436
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: what's it looked like? Yeah, four regions where you can

1437
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: get a specific region specific turkey tag and then um,

1438
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: I think there's two regions where you have to use

1439
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: your statewide tag. Um, but so basically five times per spring. Yeah, Texas,

1440
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: you buy non resident license, you can kill four turkeys

1441
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: and there's no I don't think there you can go.

1442
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: You can have your entire take in one day, I think.

1443
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: And then you know, you say you're living in Montana

1444
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: or living somewhere out west, You've got a bunch of

1445
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: drivable states to the point where you can get to

1446
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: ten if you work at it pretty hard. The way

1447
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 1: that season goes, Yeah, there's only more and more turkeys everywhere,

1448
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: it seems like, so it should get just easier. Healthy population,

1449
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: healthy population. David, is this convincing you full on to

1450
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: go turkey? I think I gotta experience at first hand

1451
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: first and and and think it's as cool as you

1452
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: guys do. We're invited. Yeah, I'm I think I mentioned

1453
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 1: at the beginning. I'm I'm an opportunist. I'll hunt anything

1454
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: at any time with any weapon. I mean, my preferred

1455
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: thing to hunt is big game with a but I'll

1456
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: absolutely hunt turkeys. Sure sounds cool. If I convince you

1457
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: any to go, I'll come along. Yeah, let's go with

1458
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: me so much as I can on you can tend

1459
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: do we do? We need to talk a little bit

1460
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: about like archery hunting turkeys versus Oh yes this is something.

1461
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: So here here's here's my layman's h perspective. I'm adding

1462
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: to the conversation. Uh, I notice that most people hunt

1463
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: turkeys with shotguns anyways, even people who are die hard

1464
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: archery fans who would only some guys who are like, no, man,

1465
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: I only hunt with a bow. I do not hunt

1466
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: with a gun. We'll still hunt turkeys with a shotgun.

1467
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: Why is that? That doesn't make sense to me as

1468
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: about hunter? Okay, as a guy, I would call myself

1469
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: a bow hunter, but I will never again my life

1470
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys with a bow. Because people getting right into

1471
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: the addresses that don't exist at some level, she'd right

1472
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: in and tell me, like, where there's archery. I'm sure

1473
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: in this country there are archery only turkey seasons at

1474
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: some level. I'm I'm positive of that, but that is

1475
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: not the norm in anyway. And so most times you're choosing,

1476
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: unlike with an elk or there's you're choosing the less

1477
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: effective tool for whatever reason. And I'm telling it's less effective.

1478
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: And I'll argue that with anybody for the point of

1479
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: imagine if you put a you know, a candle up

1480
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: on a string and you were it was walking around,

1481
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to shoot with a belt. That's hard enough.

1482
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: But we do that as archers. We do it. But

1483
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: imagine now if you covered that in feathers and wings

1484
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: and a tail fan that move and oscillate and adjust

1485
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: as it comes into struct and out of strut. And

1486
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: now those vitals are kind of they're not moving around

1487
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: its body, but from your advantage point, that turkey's body

1488
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: is adjusting and moving and becoming a different size or

1489
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: at least a different silhouette. That's the problem with turkeys

1490
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: because you and be aiming for the wing butt if

1491
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: it's or the base of the beard with a broadhead,

1492
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: and if that turkey goes into struct and then out

1493
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: of struct you're aiming point becomes different. And I've I've

1494
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: watched some of the better archers that I know of

1495
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: put tendering turkeys and watch them flying to a tree

1496
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: with a luminoc and sit there all night and be

1497
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: down the next day. So given that fact that I've seen,

1498
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: like there's no way that you can say I kill

1499
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: every turkey guy shoot out with a bow because I'm

1500
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 1: the best that archery like that. There's just too many variables.

1501
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: It's just not effective enough. But then also to add

1502
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: to the point we're talking about eating turkey meat, you

1503
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: are shooting it at some level ones broadside, right through

1504
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: the meat that you want to eat, and when you

1505
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: shoot it with a shotgun, you're shooting its face off.

1506
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: And I've never eaten a turkey face in my life,

1507
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: and so it's just at the end of the day,

1508
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: I was like, there's almost no reason you can tell

1509
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: me that if you couldn't pick up a shotgun, you wouldn't.

1510
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: And I would also argue on the third point, you

1511
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: can tell me if people tell me if I'm wrong.

1512
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: But hunting with a shotgun you're able to move around

1513
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: more and run and gun as they call it, call

1514
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: a turkey in and move as it moves, as opposed

1515
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: to popping up a blind, sitting in and putting out

1516
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: a deco and waiting for it to walk in. Because

1517
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: withdrawing your bow you need concealment. Pop up blind or

1518
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: a stationary blind allows you to just sit there and

1519
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 1: draw relatively in undercover, whereas if you're just sitting against

1520
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: a tree, you gotta draw out in the open. Turkeys

1521
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 1: have historically amazing eyesight. So for all those reasons, I

1522
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: don't see myself ever picking up a bow and pointing

1523
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: out a turkey. Yeahny am, I yeah, you spot on.

1524
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: I feel like to like the the again, the playing

1525
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: field I like talk about like where I'm happy with

1526
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: the challenge of it all right, because the big reason

1527
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: I hunt, right, adventure challenge. I'm not just out there

1528
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: to put some meat my freezer, but like it's hard

1529
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: enough with the shotgun, right, and the distances they're pretty similar.

1530
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: Most guys will won't shoot past forty yards with a

1531
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: shotgun at a turkey, right, So you still got to

1532
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: get them close, you know, bo might need to be

1533
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 1: a little bit closer. But I feel like you've kind

1534
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: of executed all the fun stuff, you know, whether it's

1535
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: this or this at that last moment. Yeah, And I

1536
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: think in quite honestly, And there's some people that are

1537
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: my friends layer and be like, you know, fuck you.

1538
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: But we've got to this point where I like, I'm

1539
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 1: only an archery hunter or my brand or my thing

1540
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: that I do is archery only all the time, and

1541
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: that's what I am. That's why I am. So I

1542
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: can't be seen with a gun or it seem it

1543
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: would be like cheating or whatever. You'll lose your steas

1544
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: man hashtags. We're looking for a hashtag still twenty episodes

1545
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: into the podcast and maybe that could be it. But yeah,

1546
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 1: you're losing your steas man in and it's just I

1547
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: think that's why there you you You look around nowadays

1548
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: and turkey hunting and there's a lot of people using bows,

1549
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: and again, people can correct me if I'm wrong. At

1550
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: the same time that you release that arrow, you could

1551
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: be releasing a payload of pellets that will that will

1552
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: destroy that thing's face and drop it and flop it.

1553
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: Rather haven't run away with an arrow sticking out of it.

1554
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: And so there's ethics, there's morality. There's just like remove

1555
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: your own personal preference and put yourself in a place

1556
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: at turkey. I'm much radity get shot in the face,

1557
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: then I have to suffer with a freaking you know,

1558
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: tom bomb and my But here's the only other point

1559
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: to make. There's a lot of guys that shoots the

1560
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: gobbler guillotine or or these these broadhead Magnus bullhead or

1561
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: anything like that, that broadheads that are designed to lop

1562
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: the turkey's head off fully, which is a pretty gruesome

1563
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: activity to do. But for most of the time you

1564
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 1: either are gonna miss completely or you're gonna so there's

1565
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: its head off. There's the example of where I'm wrong.

1566
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: I put my my gobbler guillotine with its what are

1567
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: the cutting diamonds, one of those things, so you have

1568
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: well on the guillotine, I think there's four blades, and

1569
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: so you have four or three inch blades, and so

1570
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: you actually have six inches square kind of yeah, it's like, yeah,

1571
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: so you actually have a larger like kill zone because,

1572
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: like I say, if you're aiming at the head, you

1573
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: can miss two and a half inches either side of

1574
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: the head, and so you've got a whatever, a seven

1575
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: inch target at that point instead of trying to hit

1576
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, a golf ball at the center of the

1577
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: body for the vitals and anybody's experience you on it.

1578
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: You're saying, guys that are using archie tackle are shooting

1579
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: heads or bodies? Like what's percentage? I don't know. Not

1580
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people shooting heads off. So I've done both.

1581
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: And the reason I like to not like to archer

1582
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: on turkeys, but the reason my archer hunt turkeys because

1583
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 1: it allows me to get more turkey texts. So in

1584
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: like in St. Nebraska, the first I think it's the

1585
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: first two weeks of the season you can and it's

1586
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: really a lot of times it's too early to barbet

1587
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. They're not really fired up, they're not getting

1588
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: after it. But you can start hunting late March, and

1589
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: if you're in the Midwest, it's a it's a spot

1590
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: to go and you can start turkey hunting and it's

1591
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: just with a bow, and so it does keep a

1592
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: fair amount of people out of the bottle woods, which

1593
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,839
Speaker 1: is kind of fun. It's a little bit more peaceful.

1594
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: But at the same time, in my I've filmed a

1595
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: few turkey hunts and I've been on a bunch of

1596
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: turkey hunts, and average percentage with a bow without using

1597
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: like the guillotine is about fifty fifty. As far as

1598
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: like birds shot two birds recovered. Are we talking a

1599
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: bird shot the birds wounded or birds like birds hit

1600
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: and recovered. You never find or die like right there,

1601
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 1: that's too much. It's way too much. That's not a

1602
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: good percentage. But then uh, I've had some people that

1603
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: hunt with me that have switched to the you know,

1604
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: the guillotine of the Magnus bullhead, and you put your

1605
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: decoys at six or seven yards and so you're not

1606
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: worried about arrow flight, and that's a much higher percentage.

1607
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: Especially I mean if it's hit, yeah, and if it's missed,

1608
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: it's missed. You chop a feather off here there or whatever.

1609
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: And in that case, you're not putting an arrow through

1610
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: its wing button, it's breast and then you pull his

1611
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: breast down, it's got a hole, you know jam hole

1612
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 1: right in the front and in the middle of it

1613
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: that you can't eat. Yeah, I think I have a

1614
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: again from the layman's perspective on turkeys, but um, in

1615
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: the sense of hunting birds with a bow, I've I've

1616
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: actually had some very similar experiences because I shoot a lot.

1617
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: I like to hunt quail with my bow, um, and

1618
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: I've hunted some geese with my bow, and I've had

1619
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: the same experience where occasionally I would pass an arrow

1620
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: right through what I would consider the boiler room on

1621
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: a goose or a quail or um a chucker or

1622
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: a pheasant and have them fly off and you know

1623
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: you killed. You know that that that that birds can

1624
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: be dead, but you don't get to recover it, you know,

1625
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: because because like you said, the vitals move around. So

1626
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: I've actually switched when I'm when I'm hunting small bird,

1627
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, small game birds with my bow, I should

1628
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: I shoot for the head because that for the same

1629
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: reason you're talking about with the guillotine and the guillotine

1630
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: stuff is uh, if I if I miss a miss

1631
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: and I didn't hurt the animal, but if I if

1632
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: I do hit it, then it's it's it's done. It's

1633
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: it's game over. Yeah. I think that spins off well

1634
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: to something that we all experience here until Archery Challenge. Now,

1635
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: so we're you know, Big Sky Resort and there's a

1636
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: lot of country here. There's a wide open country. It

1637
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: was if you're hunting elkin here, this is this is it.

1638
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: This is a good Western elk, bear, meal, deer, whatever country.

1639
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: There's courses at the Total Archery Challenge where a lot

1640
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: of your shots are as we were saying earlier, shots

1641
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: that you likely wouldn't take or be moan to take,

1642
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, last day type of shots where you're like,

1643
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: I think I can do it, but I wouldn't take

1644
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: this one day one or two of a hunt. Um,

1645
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 1: what you know, I'd like to hear everybody talk about

1646
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: this is an archery it's not an archery tournament. Nobody

1647
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: gets scored, it's not it's not marketed as practice for

1648
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: hunting in any way. But in all of us, are

1649
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, wearing our hunting boots, were wearing our hunting packs,

1650
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: were shooting the same dambo we'd be shooting in an

1651
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: animal And to to be practicing or to be you know,

1652
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: having fun with shots that we know we wouldn't take

1653
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: in the field. Ah, yanni, start and tell and just

1654
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: talk about like is that the right way to go?

1655
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 1: Is that setting expectations for hunters that come to these

1656
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: deals that yes, you should be proficient in a hundred

1657
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: and twenty eight yards on it on a der or

1658
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: something like that at some of these shots are I mean,

1659
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: it's something to talk about because think it's an issue

1660
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: that it's important. Yeah, for sure, Um, we shot today right, Yeah,

1661
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean we felt like three or four where we're

1662
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: definitely way like no matter what whatever, even if even

1663
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: if it was elk, I had already hit, and I

1664
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: was gonna go for a follow up shot. I probably

1665
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't win one at I'd probably be trying to get

1666
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: closer before I let one fly at closer or not shoot. Yeah,

1667
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: that's well, yeah, But I'm talking about the reason I

1668
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: do even have a tape that goes to nine two

1669
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: or whatever it is now is that if my first

1670
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: shot have a good about it is, once an arrows

1671
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: in him, I'm gonna try to get as many arrows

1672
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: I can if he's still standing right. And so that's

1673
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: really what I'm always thinking when I'm sitting there at

1674
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: home practicing at eighty, like, why am I doing this? Well?

1675
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: Shoot at eight? He definitely makes forty yard shots a

1676
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: lot easier. But it almost happened me last year stuck

1677
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 1: one at forty was still on his feet at somewhere

1678
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: out there, but the timber was just too thick and

1679
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't really slide one in there. But uh, yeah,

1680
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's good practice for hunting. I

1681
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: like these like real situations at home. I try to

1682
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: set my targets is as real as I can um

1683
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 1: because there are shots that are downhill uphill through lodgeball

1684
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: timber there, you know, through a bunch of the young

1685
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: pines that you're trying to shoot around the corners. That

1686
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: that's all real, real stuff, and you see things that

1687
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: you might not see just shooting level ground at home,

1688
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: like the one thing that we kept saying we'd shoot

1689
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: like across the ski run and you guys, we all

1690
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: have this shot the same course today, right, and a

1691
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: couple of shots. I'd set up and be like, oh,

1692
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: I just feel so good now look at my bubble

1693
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: and be like, holy cow, how can I be so cantid?

1694
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: And just you're looking at the ski you're standing, you

1695
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: see the angle of ski run under your bow, and

1696
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: you start to can't, can't, can't get that bubble center again,

1697
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: and you really can't believe how torqu do you feel?

1698
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: Almost you know, to get your bow straight. So that

1699
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: I noticed that my whether it's psychological, psychological or or what,

1700
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: I noticed that my shots fell down the hill when

1701
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: we were shooting across the slope. I never shot into

1702
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: the loope. I always would, and I'm sure that was

1703
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: a bubble issue where because I always my part of

1704
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: my processes I draw back and make sure I'm level

1705
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: but but the time between making sure your level, when

1706
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: you're focusing on that bubble and when you're actually really

1707
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: focusing on the pin and where it is U you

1708
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: can still slide back out a level. And I think

1709
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 1: that that must have been what was happening, because I

1710
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of shots that were just a little

1711
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: bit more either left or right going down the hill

1712
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: than I expected them to be. Yeah, I think maybe

1713
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: at some point when you're shooting in a hundred twenty

1714
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: two yard what was that an antelope of some kind?

1715
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: It was an African like? It was like as it

1716
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: was a small it was a small bodied deer animal

1717
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: and it's five yards. I would prefer to have them

1718
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: all closer. I am gonna go home. I do my house,

1719
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: want to someday have whatever out to as far as

1720
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: my boat can shoot until my site maxes out again,

1721
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: just because I feel like if you practice a bunch

1722
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: at one twenty, all of a sudden, seventy, it starts

1723
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: to become like a three pointer. Yeah, I think that's

1724
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: what I think. That's what Ben's trying to get into

1725
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: is is are we are we spending too much time

1726
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: shooting long and creating unrealistic um comfortability with long shots,

1727
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: because the reality is, as a Western hunter, I've only

1728
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: ever hunted open country spot stock and having shot a

1729
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of shots at a hundred yards. When I have

1730
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity to a hundred yards and I know I

1731
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: can't get closer, gosh, I'm tempted. Sometimes you start thinking

1732
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: about it. I started thinking about it. I think it

1733
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: also comes down to influence, though, like there's some level

1734
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: of influence that that that maybe we don't even understand.

1735
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: One how we influence other people, you know, have if

1736
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: we start normalizing these types of shots, and then people

1737
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: that are coming up are like, hey, I'm I'm following

1738
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: these folks and learning from them, and this is what

1739
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: how they do it? Well, this must be the way.

1740
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, if I go Western hunting, I better be

1741
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: dialed into eight yards. You're like, wait a minute, No,

1742
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: you don't start thinking like that. Um, so that's one

1743
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 1: problem that's problematic. But so to argue against my own point,

1744
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: I think we all figured out after shooting that hundred

1745
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: twenty five yard target, we don't want to do that,

1746
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it. So it's nice in person there

1747
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: tangibly to say I'm not doing that like, maybe maybe

1748
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: I would if I practiced for about a decade, But

1749
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: at this point I'm more likely to hit grass and

1750
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: skip and hit it in the leg than than eightywhere

1751
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: near it. It's quite the rabbit hole because really at

1752
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: a hundred yards, I mean, those arrows take a long

1753
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: time that animal and then you started, you know, talking

1754
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: about you know, the animal moving, the wind picks up

1755
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 1: while you're arrows in the air, all kinds of variable.

1756
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Even just a single step by an animal, you know,

1757
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: changes the where your impact is by two to three feet.

1758
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: So I think the one I mean, this is a

1759
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: fun event. You know, it's for it's people to come

1760
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: out and you get to see that magical flight of

1761
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: the arrow, you know, going that far um. You know,

1762
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 1: if you came out and you shot twenty five targets

1763
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: in the first one, it was like forty yards. You

1764
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: try to figure out why you're hiking around the mountains

1765
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: shooting forty yards. But I think the one thing it

1766
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: does do is when you start to stretch out your

1767
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: shots with a bow, it amplifies all your imperfections in

1768
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: your form. And so if you say at twenty yards

1769
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: you've got a grouping, you know, two to three in grouping,

1770
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: and you're feeling pretty good about that. Well, when you

1771
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: move out to seventy yards, you know you might be

1772
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: barely hitting the target. And so it forces you to

1773
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: look at how you're shooting and be more consistent in

1774
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: your shots. And I think everybody needs to, you know,

1775
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: really take a good look at themselves and figure out

1776
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: what their effective ranges in the field. And it most

1777
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: likely shouldn't be you know, over sixty yards or whatever

1778
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: it might be for you. But I think shooting those

1779
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: long distances, like Yanni was saying, is if you become

1780
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 1: proficient at shooting a hundred yards, that sixty seventy yards

1781
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 1: shot feels much more, not a chip shot, but much easier.

1782
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: That target looks so much bigger at seventy than it

1783
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: did before when you were only practicing. Yeah, yeah, the

1784
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: perspective is huge if you, yeah, anybody listening to this,

1785
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: go shoot at eighty yards for a week and then

1786
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: start at twenty what So this is simple? Yeah? I read, Uh,

1787
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: here's a little insight that I picked up from a

1788
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: from a non archery perspective about how to shoot better. Um,

1789
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 1: I read a psyche as a book on psychology. It

1790
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 1: was a sports psychology book, and um, somebody was actually

1791
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: talking about sniper training in there, and he was saying, uh,

1792
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: he would train he was a sniper training instructor, and

1793
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 1: he would train them to shoot. Uh. They would practice

1794
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,799
Speaker 1: at only two different yardages or two different distances super

1795
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: super super far, like the absolute limit of how far

1796
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: you can shoot, and very close, because the very close

1797
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: shots trained the mind a different type confidence. Like all

1798
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: four of us after having shot today at you know,

1799
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: I think the average range was probably seventy five yards,

1800
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: between between six and seventy five yards. Uh, that's what

1801
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: was That was the average we shot today. I think

1802
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: after shooting that all day, if we went out and

1803
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: shot uh three D targets to thirty five yards, we

1804
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: would just feel light out. And so those short shots, though,

1805
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: really train your mind to be confident that you're gonna

1806
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: hit what you're gonna hit when you shoot. And so uh,

1807
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: this psychologists argument was you should practice the hardest thing

1808
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: for you and then build confidence with the easiest thing

1809
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: for you. So that's how I practice with my bow

1810
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 1: and I'm getting ready for hunting season. I I practice

1811
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: at a hundred yards, which is which is how far

1812
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: my range goes. At my house. I practice there more

1813
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: often than anything else. That's where I'm like, because I

1814
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: feel like if I can hit something in a hundred yards,

1815
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: then I can fort sure hit it at sixty. But

1816
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: I also almost always end the day with a nice

1817
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: round of five arrows at twenty yards, and I'm just like, yeah, smack,

1818
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: good day on the range, And yeah, you know, it's

1819
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: nice about that because I do the same thing. I

1820
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: have a bag target that a buddy bill for me, which,

1821
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: by the way, man, dude, you gotta try this out.

1822
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: I mean we literally out of my house is under

1823
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: construction right now. There's some kind of a polly like

1824
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: a woven bag, and we had a bunch of leftover

1825
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: vis queen that was getting ripped up and it wasn't

1826
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 1: doing this job anymore. So we sat there two or

1827
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: three guys holding the bag and another dude jumping on

1828
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: top of the vis queen to fill it up, tied

1829
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: it off, spray painted elk on there, and out of

1830
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: my compound of twenty yards, it's just probably like ten

1831
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: and twelve inches of penetration. It's unreal for I like

1832
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 1: made out of trash. Anyways, back to uh twenty yards

1833
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: last shot. Yeah, it's so nice because it's just all form.

1834
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: You're like, you're not even thinking about aiming anymore, and

1835
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 1: you just thinking about a nice, clean release. And because

1836
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: even practicing at a hundred yards holding steady at twenty

1837
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: just feels like just that goes back to archery as

1838
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: a mental game. And know, well, the reason I want

1839
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: to talk through this because I wasn't really sure where

1840
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: the hell I stood on and I'm like, I can

1841
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: see somebody coming here and never having shot long distance,

1842
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: and be like, why I must I have to do

1843
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: this now? Um on game? And so maybe there's a

1844
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: rule where we say, like, if it's past eighty yard,

1845
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: it's got to be a block target. God damn, it

1846
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 1: can't be some you know fa similar some to me,

1847
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: I guess real quick, I forget to me, I just don't.

1848
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't mind shooting as far as we can all shoot,

1849
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: but to me, this isn't the place for it. Yeah,

1850
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Like I would just instead of having those one twenties

1851
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: out here, I'd rather have it, you know, mix it

1852
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: up and give me another eight and a fifteen, a

1853
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: thirty good point and just something that I'm gonna take

1854
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, like just just what

1855
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: are we doing right? Because when you're training, you understood,

1856
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: you have an understanding everyone. You know all everybody's sitting

1857
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: here like I'm training. I know what I'm doing, Like

1858
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: this is my process. When you get out here, you're

1859
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: just like, I'm having fun, but you're not really realizing

1860
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 1: the influence it might have on on what you might

1861
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 1: do in the yield, because you're not you as you

1862
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: think about things. You're having fun. I'll take it. I'll

1863
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: take a crack at her. And if that, I'll take

1864
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: a crack out of mentality gets shifted into the woods.

1865
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that, and so that's that's slides down with

1866
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks. I have a I have a

1867
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: thing I want to interject before we move on to

1868
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: some other topic um that I think it relates well

1869
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: compared to how I trained for skiing, and it's the

1870
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 1: idea that I I always trained for the absolute worst

1871
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 1: case scenario. I always I would rather my goal at

1872
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: the end of Uh. You know this, actually, right now

1873
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: is a perfect time to describe. Right now, I mean

1874
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm in the off season, I'm not competing, and the

1875
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: next contest I have is in December, so I have

1876
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time to really work on fitness

1877
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: and strength, and um, a lot of what I'm doing

1878
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: anymore is training my nervous system just as much as

1879
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: my muscles. So uh, it doesn't do me a lot

1880
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: of good just to be this wrong stude out there.

1881
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I have to both be strong and extremely quick and explosive,

1882
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: so um, A lot of the things that I do

1883
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: are all jumping oriented. So I will train in a

1884
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: way that I'm trying to actually do more. I'm trying

1885
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 1: to be more powerful than I would ever need to be.

1886
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have better balance than I would ever

1887
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: need to actually have in the half pipe, because you're

1888
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: only you're you're training for worst case scenario. I'm training

1889
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: for those bad landings. The reality is the good landings

1890
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to try. I don't need to spend

1891
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the gym for those because,

1892
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: especially in a half pipe, if I land high at

1893
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the top of the wall, then the g forces aren't

1894
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: that high because because I'm catching the transition perfectly, So

1895
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 1: those good landings don't need the training as much as

1896
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: the bad landings do. So I'm always training for I'm

1897
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: training the fringe. I talked a lot to kids I

1898
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: mentor about training the fringe. Pick what you're not good

1899
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: at and just train it until you're good at it again.

1900
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: And even the things that you're good at them to

1901
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 1: uh where you're all where you're uncomfortable and and and

1902
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: know that you're uncomfortable with those things. And I'm not

1903
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: saying that you should do those things that you've just

1904
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: been training in competition, because you don't. At the end

1905
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: of the day, when I'm crafting a run and I'm

1906
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: going to do in a big contest like the X

1907
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: Games of the Olympics, I'm always choosing a run that

1908
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 1: I know I can pull off. It's not something that's like, well,

1909
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: there's a couple of tricks that I can pull off

1910
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 1: in this one right, here's a hail Mary. I'm never

1911
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: doing that. It's always calculated, and that's how I feel

1912
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 1: about what we're doing out here hunting wise. I kind

1913
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: of agree with you, Joannie where I think it's maybe

1914
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: maybe the averages have got because it's a total archery

1915
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 1: challenge and it's like, oh, we gotta make it a challenge.

1916
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: Maybe the averages have gotten a little too crazy, and

1917
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:46,719
Speaker 1: there's a little bit, there's a few there's a few

1918
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: too few shots that I would practically take as a hunter.

1919
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: I would like to see a few more of those.

1920
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, you know what,

1921
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't mind taking those weird shots that I wouldn't

1922
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: that are that are the fringe of what I'm capable of,

1923
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: because I'm training the fringe. Um, I think we should

1924
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: talk about our scoring system because that is what that

1925
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: would go go all the way back. That's Remy's scoring. Yeah,

1926
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Remy and I came up with that scoring system when

1927
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: we first started shooting these totally our total, our three

1928
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: challenges together. And it's a good way of keeping yourself

1929
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: in it because you talked about how uh you kind

1930
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: of get out there and after you've lost like three arrows,

1931
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, I don't know, I ran

1932
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 1: out of fox to give a while ago, you know,

1933
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: and you just start you just start drawing back and

1934
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: flinging arrows, and you don't stay very mentally in tune

1935
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: to it. So Remy and I came up with this

1936
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: system we call kill Wound miss, and it's just a

1937
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: scoring system rather than scoring the rings on the all

1938
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: these most of these are Rhinehart targets, so rather than

1939
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 1: scoring the ten twelve or twelve ten eight five scoring format,

1940
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: we just kill it. We just score it as if

1941
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 1: you kill it you get a point, and if you

1942
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: wound it you get a negative point. An outright misses

1943
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 1: zero because we were trying to relate it as closely

1944
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: as we possibly could to actual hunting situations where I

1945
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: kill as a thing, A wound is absolutely the worst

1946
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: thing that we want, and a miss is actually not

1947
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, you know. I think every

1948
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: archer in the world would rather miss a deer than wounded.

1949
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: So we we came up with this system, and we

1950
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 1: all obviously, as we're all competitive dudes, we once we

1951
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: came up with a system, then we started. Then then

1952
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: came the wagers. So it's for us because we're shooting.

1953
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: Of course, that's super challenging. It's got more shots in

1954
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 1: it than I would ever take in a hunting situation. Uh,

1955
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: but the scoring helps keep me focused. Because Sam and

1956
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: I were going back and forth today. We both shot

1957
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: really good the first couple of targets, and then we

1958
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: both got on the struggle train. And we struggled to

1959
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 1: get off the struggle train towards the end and uh,

1960
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: but it was just fun because it was like, Okay, no,

1961
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: it's every shot, it's a new shot, and and I'm

1962
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: still getting of some kind of a point for this.

1963
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a really good way to

1964
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 1: score a three D archery. Uh, target shoot because it

1965
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: teaches you also to just shoot for the shape of

1966
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: the animal rather than trying to figure out where the

1967
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 1: hit a circle or whatever. So what do you score today?

1968
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Targets five? I I wounded? You got a Yeah, that

1969
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: is freaking high. I scored in eleven today. I got

1970
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: a fucking one. Four. We had a guy in a

1971
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: group scored twenty yeah on the prime course. On the

1972
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: Prime course. So did he wound any He wanted to

1973
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: wounded too. Actually hit twenty two in the vital so

1974
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: he wounded to missed one? Yeah, yeah he was. He nearly.

1975
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: Mike Collins works for Prime He is he nearly. He

1976
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: nearly cleaned it because he cleaned that course. Yeah. And

1977
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: one the one that he missed, he just forgot to

1978
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: change the slidder and he shot like a hundred yards

1979
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 1: over a turkey. He didn't have a Yanni sticker on

1980
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: his bow. I'll sign him one. Yeah, you were talking

1981
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: about selling these sticks and custom megan one real quick tonight.

1982
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: It's a piece of orange gave tape. This is returned

1983
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: to zero. Yeah, that's just like the game. I said.

1984
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: We're so, what's terrible archers? We're like, we're just trying

1985
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: to return to zero target, trying to get back and

1986
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 1: down positive. That's I mean, I think of the best

1987
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: in our group. There was twelve people shoot in our group,

1988
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: and I think the best was nine. Like that shot

1989
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 1: in eleven and I got fifth. What Yeah, we had, dude,

1990
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 1: I've shot this this well we shot system. Yeah, I've

1991
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 1: just got this short scoring system. Maybe eight or so

1992
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: rounds and I don't I don't think. Yeah, double digits

1993
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: is rare. We had Mike coins one. Did you know

1994
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 1: Corey Jacobson he shot a seventeen? Ye what you shot?

1995
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: And then somebody was in between me and you. Yeah,

1996
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 1: I laughed because Cory and I, like I said, we're

1997
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 1: competitive dudes. We all go back and forth. We started,

1998
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, church in each other's ears and stuff. Corey

1999
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: and I started talking, uh and uh. He had one

2000
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: target where he was just in the kill zone and

2001
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 1: I was laughing. I was inches out, but you missed

2002
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: my inches. They're still a wound. And uh that was

2003
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 1: that was the difference between Corey and I. But it

2004
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: was fun because, um, we were I feel like we

2005
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: were all actually competent level archers. I mean I can

2006
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: can comparable level archers. Uh, Sam and I bowl shot

2007
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: the first seven targets clean and and of course and

2008
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: I look back on it. This is what I do

2009
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 1: with skiing too. I always look back and I'm like, gosh,

2010
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: you're such a dummy. Because as soon as we shot

2011
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: the first seven targets clean, my mind, as an arrogant dude,

2012
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: was like, I got the first seven, I can get

2013
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: the I can get all the rest of them visions.

2014
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: You shot the first seven clean, and then both of

2015
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: us dropped Target eight. I missed and he wounded it.

2016
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get back on my course. I'm fired up now.

2017
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I get get back. One is

2018
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 1: not enough. I think I wounded enough. That's good, real

2019
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: real time, real level training, right or real What am

2020
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 1: I trying to say, um, prices for the real world

2021
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 1: of hunting is is trying to is not letting visions

2022
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 1: of glory or that is such a real thing, and

2023
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 1: I battle it all the time. That Turkey's gollant and

2024
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 1: coming in and like you're talking about you're like you

2025
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 1: can see the freaking turkey nuggets vision. You're gonna be

2026
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: taste it. You can taste it. Turkey's done, You're already

2027
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: like I can just imagine jumped around the pickup truck.

2028
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't get one. Besides this, you know,

2029
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 1: like all that stuff is going through your head where

2030
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 1: you should be just going like I need to kill

2031
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: that bird. I need shooting in the head. I need

2032
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: shooting in the head. What is this turkey doing? What

2033
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: should I do next? What is the absolute what I

2034
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: need to I'm don't think I might change my flight

2035
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: just so I shoot tomorrow and get back like figure

2036
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: this out. I think you should change your flight just

2037
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 1: because Montana is so great. That also, we shot together

2038
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 1: in South Dakota. Nobody was doing that good. The difference

2039
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: we shot horribly in South Dakota. That's the difference. Yeah,

2040
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: what you shoot in South Dakota, Sam, like a negative

2041
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: one is terrible. So what the hell? So the day

2042
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: before so I'm gonna give this a disclaimer. The day

2043
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 1: before I actually shot very well, but we weren't keeping score.

2044
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: We started like a couple of targets that it was

2045
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 1: kind of shot. But I was like, I was just shooting,

2046
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: and then the next day I fell apart. So let

2047
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: me let me just I don't answer this question today.

2048
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Were you guys super competitive and like all really dialed

2049
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: in on on the achievement of the score. Yeah, we were.

2050
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 1: We were all being super competitive from the get go.

2051
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Yanna and I shot in a group of twelve people

2052
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: and it was not It was just like half the

2053
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: group didn't score. Yeah, So do we feel like that

2054
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 1: could be the difference? That's the difference that like you're

2055
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: just thinking, okay, you're dialed in your playing. Yeah. I

2056
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 1: think it's my fault. I really do, because I can't

2057
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: do things halfway. Man, Like I don't show up and

2058
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: not wager. I don't show up and not compete. Like

2059
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: even though I suck at golf, I show up to

2060
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 1: golf tournaments and I'm like, man, I'm gonna be the

2061
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: longest drive. I don't care if it's three fair ways over.

2062
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something better than everybody else. So as

2063
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 1: soon as we got on the course. Of course, for

2064
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: me as a hunting fan, the reality is I'm stoked

2065
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 1: to be shooting with these folks, and so I want

2066
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 1: to challenge them. I want to kind of I want

2067
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: to chirp in there. I want to have them chirp

2068
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 1: back because I think it's fun. So I kind of

2069
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: set the tone go back to because I'm trying to

2070
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 1: figure this out because in my head I'm now the worst. Wait,

2071
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 1: let let me get eight yard target? How many people

2072
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: in your how many people are group five? No? We

2073
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: had ten today, ten in your group? How many people

2074
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 1: out of that ten hit that target today? Only one? Yesterday?

2075
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Two of us hit it. Okay, that's normal. If you're

2076
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna let's get out of the room. Let's do something

2077
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: more realistic though. Let's do one that you have a

2078
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: site a pin for, because nobody has how about how many?

2079
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: How many guys in your group at about the fallow

2080
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 1: the fallow bucks, the one I can remember more as

2081
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 1: the hog that's that was stretching at like nine two yards?

2082
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Target sucks. We are group cleaned up on that. Oh

2083
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: you did yeah in the shower, the one in the shadow.

2084
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Our group cleaned up on that. But that's one of

2085
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 1: the ones that I wounded. Like our group struggled with

2086
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 1: that target. But again and again that one where that

2087
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: vital was on that one, I got a wound on

2088
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: that one. But if you were going to say, like

2089
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: where would you shoot to hit him in the heart,

2090
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: you'd be like where young erra was right? So well,

2091
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 1: we so you're still shuture reference. We always vote, oh,

2092
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 1: because we don't know. We don't always shoot the insert

2093
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: because a lot of these, especially not so much here

2094
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 1: in uh in Big Sky Button in Snowboard where I

2095
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: shot where Remy and I came up with this system,

2096
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 1: a lot of the shots were at like thirty degrees uphill,

2097
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: and so you shoot the insert at thirty degrees up hill,

2098
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: you're actually gonna miss at least one long maybe. So

2099
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:47,719
Speaker 1: we would shoot, like if it was an uphill shot

2100
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,560
Speaker 1: at at thirty degrees, we would actually shoot it in

2101
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: the in the chest below the insert and call it good.

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01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: But it was always a vote, and it most of

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01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: the time came down to where is the exit wound

2104
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna be? So so on that one, you and your

2105
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 1: group could have voted, and if they had voted, if

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01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 1: they had voted, I yahni got it, then you would

2107
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 1: have got the point still. And that was one difference

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01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 1: between South Dakota and here, because there were some shots

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01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: in South Dakota that like I ended up getting called

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01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 1: the wound on because it wasn't in the insert. But

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01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, it would be a ram quartering too at

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01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: fifty yards and you m, it's gonna kill it. Because

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01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 1: the whole the whole idea was that we didn't have

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01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to look for the circles because it started actually because

2115
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 1: when we first did this the first time, uh, some

2116
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: of the some of the rings were really hard to see.

2117
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: And Remy and now we're talking about We're like, this

2118
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: is stupid. Why are we shooting the rings anyways, Like,

2119
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:38,839
Speaker 1: let's just aim for where you would on the animal,

2120
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: and and Remy was actually kind of giving me some

2121
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:45,719
Speaker 1: pointers because, uh, he thought I was aiming a little

2122
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: far back and I was like, no, that's where I've

2123
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: always aimed. He's like, no, aim a little bit more forward.

2124
01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: That's a better pocket. And so then we just got

2125
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 1: into aiming for the shape of the animal, not worrying

2126
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: about where the actual insert was. Yeah, I really yeah,

2127
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,720
Speaker 1: I really want to get back out there now. I

2128
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: think you should stay. I think we you and I

2129
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: go out there and start voting on Ya's and A's

2130
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 1: will both be fifteen plus, so you'll suddenly be myself

2131
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: and clean the course right now, I don't know, I

2132
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: found a couple of your arrows. No, I just found

2133
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:21,879
Speaker 1: one of your arrows. Listen. I was terrible today, terrible,

2134
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: maybe the worst I've ever shot, and I just you know,

2135
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm watching archeres of mind. Fuck Like there were some

2136
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: days I got a hundred range in my backyard. I've

2137
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 1: got five six targets. I had a bunch of people

2138
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: from Yetie come over and we're just drilling them, drilling them, drilling.

2139
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 1: Of course, there's nothing like this. It's not down. It's

2140
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 1: a freaking yard. But you feel good. You're like, yeah, okay, done,

2141
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 1: and then you get out there and you start failing that.

2142
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Then I hear that you guys are busting eleven and fifteens.

2143
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: There's no yeah. Yeah. But the cool thing about the

2144
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: cool thing I'll say about archery events like this is

2145
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,679
Speaker 1: that brings you to a different level. Because I think everybody,

2146
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: everybody is there is the best archer in a certain

2147
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 1: group of people. Right you can just keep you can

2148
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 1: keep dropping the level until at some point you're the

2149
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 1: best archer. And I was stopping and say this, I've

2150
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 1: been in a group's at the Total Archer Challenge last year.

2151
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I was in a couple of groups where it was

2152
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,680
Speaker 1: just arrows flying through the trees the entire time. Like,

2153
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: so I've also seen the other side of like our

2154
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: group today. I'm like, man, that's a really good group.

2155
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Everybody's basically doing what they need to be doing. Like

2156
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 1: there's some variances and stuff like that. My goal was

2157
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: just to hit foam. Yeah, if I had pham on

2158
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: every single target and I missed three at but yeah,

2159
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: every time I had heard of ponk walking, like, uh,

2160
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I got my dad's out here for the event, and

2161
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: he's never shot a course like this, and he's you know,

2162
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 1: he's practiced whatever flat ground back in South Dakota. But

2163
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: he I mean, if you're talking about just like slamming foam,

2164
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: he cleaned house today. Yeah, I mean there was a

2165
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,560
Speaker 1: couple of targets he you know, missed or whatever, but

2166
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:09,879
Speaker 1: for the most part, just asis I'm stressed. But anyways,

2167
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: my point earlier was that, uh, it's good to get

2168
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 1: out here. To places like this that bring people who

2169
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: are better than you into your interaction. Because I shot

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01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,560
Speaker 1: yesterday and I was I shot the best out of

2171
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 1: the group, and I was like, alright, I'm doing pretty good.

2172
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm ready for hunting season. I shot today and I

2173
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: got my ass handed to me and I was like,

2174
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 1: all right, I could still be better. You know. Well,

2175
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 1: that's why the takeaway from me is when you go

2176
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,879
Speaker 1: into an event like this, understand what you're doing personally,

2177
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 1: sit down with yourself'll be like, I'm training now, and

2178
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 1: this is how this is going to work with my

2179
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: overall training for hunting, because everybody that's using about to

2180
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 1: kill things should train a lot. If you're not, then

2181
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: hopefully you come out to something like this and learn

2182
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: that you should then go home and train. But come

2183
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: into this like, hey, it's a fun shoot, I'm flying

2184
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: at him, or this is I'm training. I want to

2185
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: this is what I want to achieve. And if you

2186
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 1: do that, then no worries. But if you come into

2187
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 1: this and kind of just walking around shooting arrows and

2188
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 1: not thinking about it and the next thing you know

2189
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 1: it's changing the way you're hunting, then that's problematic sure,

2190
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of people do that. There's

2191
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: kids that shoot this, there's wives that shoot this. You know,

2192
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: there's people that just want to have a fun archer

2193
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: day out there shooting this that don't really understand the

2194
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: scope of what what's going down. So we we had

2195
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: a little roundtable discussion last night for a little video,

2196
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about um, like this is

2197
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 1: it can be. You can use it as like a

2198
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: preseason gear test, so you can wear your booster you're

2199
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna wear this season. You know, you got your bowl

2200
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: completely dialed in how you think you wanted for hunting season,

2201
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: and gives you that opportunity. You can wear the pack

2202
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 1: that you're gonna wear for hunting season. You can wear

2203
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: like the you know it's hot, so you can wear

2204
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: like the lightweight clothing and you're gonna wear for early season,

2205
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: and you can start to kind of put all those

2206
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 1: things together and you know, bust the dust or rustoff

2207
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: before season actually hits a month from now. And so

2208
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people use it as an

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01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 1: opportunity for that to kind of yeah, instead of walking

2210
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: an opening day going I don't know my backpacked out

2211
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: then like where all my stuff sits you don't you

2212
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 1: know very well, could shoot an elk this fall wearing

2213
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: almost the exact same things I had on today. My

2214
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 1: pants would probably be different. But we talked about that

2215
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: going in. I was wearing was in South Krona. I

2216
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:28,800
Speaker 1: was wearing camo, and somebody said something like, Okay, so

2217
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 1: you and I talking about guys in like full camera.

2218
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 1: Your first thought of the O Jesus, you're ever playing

2219
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: your hand there, fella. But then you think, like, hey man,

2220
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 1: that's not the worst idea in the world. You know,

2221
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's you kind of look like a fool walk

2222
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:45,440
Speaker 1: testing your kid, but testing your kid to some level. Yeah, absolutely,

2223
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's David doesn't scheme blue jeans um

2224
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 1: all year and then just puts on his waterproof pants

2225
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: for go time. Right. Yeah, but that's a it's a

2226
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 1: great it's a damn fun event. I got enoughing tied

2227
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 1: to this thing other than I'd love to go do it.

2228
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 1: And if you're not doing total archery challenge, it's I

2229
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:13,759
Speaker 1: think it's right now. It's seven cities everywhere from Pennsylvania, Texas, Uh, Montana, Utah, Tennessee,

2230
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: South Dakota. I mean so there's gotta be someplace that's

2231
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 1: close to where you're at. And if you're a bow

2232
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,600
Speaker 1: hunter and you you truly believe that you want to

2233
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:22,560
Speaker 1: be good at it and not just be, you know,

2234
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 1: a Saturday shooter, come and do one, give it her

2235
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: up and figure out kind of what you want to

2236
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 1: get out of it, and then go there. Like that's

2237
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: what I could think of. I think. So my ender

2238
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 1: to your your original point about are we are we

2239
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,799
Speaker 1: stretching the distances too longer? Are we are we creating

2240
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 1: danger for ourselves? I think if you just go back

2241
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: around and talk about our scores, the fact is we

2242
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 1: all wounded animals. So that proved to us that I

2243
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 1: am not competent to shoot at that range, you know.

2244
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: So that's not to tout me and remy scoring system anymore,

2245
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like it's a was a good practical,

2246
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: real world application of this is a challenging shot, and

2247
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm probably not good enough to shoot it, you know,

2248
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: so you gotta so we all do that, that we

2249
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: all do that assessment. Whenever I spott a deer and

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01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: I started stock, I'm like, if I can get to

2251
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,640
Speaker 1: that point, if I can get to that piece of

2252
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: cover or that bush or that rock outcropping, is that

2253
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 1: close enough to shoot? Because that because I'm always assessing

2254
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 1: that's probably the last that's probably the last cover I'm

2255
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna have. If I get that close, can I do it?

2256
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 1: And so it's good to it's good to know maybe

2257
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 1: you can't, maybe you can. You know, Yeah, it's for

2258
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: David's point, there's no this scoring systemsn't have a name.

2259
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: It's not like the wise warrant scoring methods. That could

2260
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 1: be it for anybody that wants to go do that.

2261
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: Go do that in your backyard. Like you got a target,

2262
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: go do that. You know you got three D target?

2263
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people. Sure do you have that? Go

2264
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 1: do it and let us know how the hell it goes.

2265
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 1: And then when you're done that, think about what Yeah,

2266
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: and he's titled should be that here? Thank you. Those

2267
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,560
Speaker 1: are the two that's two pieces of homework from this

2268
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 1: conversation and right into Ben right in send it to

2269
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: go to go to the website. But I'd like to

2270
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: have people to write in, you know, like letters, but

2271
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 1: I don't have I don't want to give out my address.

2272
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,720
Speaker 1: Can I give your address? You? I think you need

2273
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 1: to get a po box in Bozeman or something like that,

2274
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: something like that, once a month, check it, check it

2275
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 1: on every six You know what, This is a total

2276
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 1: rabbit trail. Let's go. But I like the concept of

2277
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 1: right ends. Yeah, because in our world of social media,

2278
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 1: we have a little too much instance feedback, don't you think,

2279
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:37,920
Speaker 1: like it's a little too easy to sit down at

2280
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: the computer and write a comment or an email or

2281
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 1: um or even record a video in response to what

2282
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 1: somebody else said. But it takes time to sit down

2283
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 1: at the table, write something out with a pen and

2284
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: paper and put it in an envelope, find the address

2285
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna send it to, and send it in. That's

2286
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 1: why there were a lot less trolls back in the day,

2287
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,440
Speaker 1: because you guys are writing that, like, know what, man,

2288
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 1: here's what I think. It's not really worth my time, right,

2289
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 1: So I think it'd be I think it actually it

2290
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: would be a good thing maybe if we had a

2291
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 1: little less instant feedback and we had to because, like

2292
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: you said, it would be a lot better sometimes if

2293
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: people just decided, you know, maybe I shouldn't say this.

2294
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 1: I think that's the most of what happens on social media,

2295
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 1: as people say things that they shouldn't say because they're

2296
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 1: fired up right in the moment, and later they might

2297
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: they might wish to go back and unsay it. There's

2298
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 1: too late. There's a lot of folks that do that.

2299
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:29,600
Speaker 1: Then you call them out for it. They know. I'm sorry, man,

2300
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking.

2301
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: I was not thinking. I got a little I was drunk.

2302
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: All positive comments can be on digitally. All negative comments

2303
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:44,560
Speaker 1: must be mailed to to PO Box PO Box, Belgrade, Montana.

2304
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 1: That might be a good idea. There's no that's homework

2305
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 1: for me. I'll create a po box or something like that. Malory.

2306
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:54,360
Speaker 1: People can write in Uh, Yanni, do you have any concluding?

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Speaker 1: I'm still I must steal this first, since you're here,

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01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 1: I'll steal this from the meat Eator podcast. What's Steve called?

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01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 1: Uh concluder? Concluding thought? I don't think everything, I guess

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01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:06,720
Speaker 1: I have one last question for David. Are your sisters

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01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 1: still hunters? Uh? One is and one is? And I

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01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:12,600
Speaker 1: think that that maybe speaks to what I was talking

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01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 1: about at the beginning, where hunting is isn'n eate for

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01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: some people. Some people are really passionate about it, and

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01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 1: some people are just like, no, this isn't this isn't

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01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: really for me. And my sisters are exactly like that.

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01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 1: One of them, uh got criticized by her friends for

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01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 1: going out there and wanting to kill Bamby and and

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01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 1: she thought the social pressure was more than she wanted

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01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: to overcome to go out and hunt, and the other

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01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 1: one was the opposite. She was just like, I don't

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01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 1: care what you think. I think hunt's cool. I'm gonna

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01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 1: keep doing it. I like that good respect, especially for twins.

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01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why twins matters, but they look the same.

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01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 1: There Are they identical twins? They're not? Damn sorry, Ruins's

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01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: all who was the whole point? Is that a generally concluder? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy with that, Thank you, David. Final thoughts, Oh man,

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01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 1: it's just an honor to be here Sam with you

2329
01:56:58,280 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 1: guys chat. This is fun. I really appreciate you guys

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01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 1: allowing me in the room. And Uh, I'd love to

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01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 1: shoot with you guys sometimes if we sometimes we get

2332
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,120
Speaker 1: a chance, And I'd love to hunt turkeys with any

2333
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: or all of you. Yes, turkeys, let's do it. Can

2334
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Turkeys are the best and anybody who downs turkeys come

2335
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 1: see us. I see a turkey bus tour coming together.

2336
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm already doing a month. Come find me.

2337
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 1: You're doing a month? At least? Where do we send

2338
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: mail to bust? I'd give out my address. It all

2339
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 1: gets forward and wherever I'm at. Sam, have you got

2340
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: any traction on bus B and B that we talked about.

2341
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 1: I have yet to get a message about bus being music.

2342
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Let's continue to get that narrative. Tell people about bus

2343
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 1: being so bus B and B. If you're traveling somewhere

2344
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 1: and you're gonna need a place to stay, you just

2345
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 1: rent my bus and I'll drive to you. Yep, it's

2346
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 1: called bus B and B. Bus the different than airbnb

2347
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,840
Speaker 1: because Sam will drive to wherever you're at. You can

2348
01:57:57,080 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, man, I need you to park

2349
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 1: that bus next to the conference center and Sam will

2350
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 1: drive right over there. Done, just pull up, pull up,

2351
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 1: and then he'll go get a hotel and then you

2352
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: just have there's no toilet or shower, but you know

2353
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 1: it's okay whatever, some stupid airbnb that's right anyway. Think

2354
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 1: which is a terrible name because nobody makes you breakfast? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2355
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 1: that is a misnomer. Would you cook breakfast and bust

2356
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: being definitely? Oh there you go. See. I think you

2357
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: could get a sunshower, you know, a little solar solar

2358
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 1: shower bag. That wouldn't be too hard to actually have.

2359
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I have all of the pieces to do a like

2360
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 1: a full on like propane tankless water, heat or shower.

2361
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 1: I just haven't put all the pieces together. But for bust,

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01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 1: B and B you'd put it together. Yes, how much

2363
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: a night? I think depending on the location, I don't know,

2364
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 1: twelve fifteen thousand, that's fine. I gotta cover diesel fuel

2365
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,760
Speaker 1: to get there. It's not great in the mountains. So

2366
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 1: if you're doing, like trying to do a mountain get away,

2367
01:58:55,800 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 1: I gotta you know, it's the risk. Score. Yeah, let's

2368
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 1: not go over the complication. So let's just talk about

2369
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 1: the good. You know, it's a good things and anything else. Sam, No,

2370
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:09,520
Speaker 1: just thanks for having me on. It's good to be here.

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01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm stressed about changing your flight to stay and shoot again. Yeah,

2372
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:19,120
Speaker 1: because I really think that if I took your guys

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01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 1: attacked and I was like, I'm going out here to

2374
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 1: shoot score and kill these animals, every one of them,

2375
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to accept those errors to go

2376
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 1: anywhere anywhere else, because today I was kind of just

2377
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 1: like slaying them and then I started sucking, and I

2378
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 1: was like, well, now I'm just gonna keep slaying him

2379
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not even gonna aim anymore, and it just

2380
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 1: got bad. I'm very stressed about ah, as well as

2381
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 1: you guys did now poorly perspective wives that we did.

2382
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 1: Let me think about that. Yeahni, are you stressed too

2383
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: or don care? No? No, I feel pretty good about

2384
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 1: it about my shooting today the first time ever. Yeah, yeah, again,

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01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 1: all the like you get, like you said, David, all

2386
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 1: the ones that are within range that you would take

2387
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 1: in the field in real time. I felt like I

2388
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 1: killed all those animals. Hm, well I might change my flight.

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02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do about another podcast from tomorrow. I'll follow up.

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02:00:13,160 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 1: I'll follow up podcast. Probably not gonna happen, but they

2391
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 1: might amount empty promises. All right, that's it, bye bye,

2392
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Oh you do it, Johnnie, Johnny gonna hit this stop button.

2393
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:33,760
Speaker 1: That's it. That is all. Episode number twenty two is done.

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02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 1: Thank you to David, Sam Yanni. We're joining me for

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02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:41,320
Speaker 1: episode number two and twenty two. I think great conversations there,

2396
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:44,120
Speaker 1: really love and learning a little bit from David about

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02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 1: how to be a better hunter, a better competitor, just

2398
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 1: a better human beings. Davids one is definitely one of those,

2399
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:53,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys hang out with and run

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02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 1: into um and I'm glad he could jump on a

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02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 1: podcast with us. Same for Yanni tell Us Media Ta

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02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Crew really enjoyed him. Make sure if you have thought

2403
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 1: about it, hit me up an email, hit me up

2404
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 1: at video B three oh one on Instagram and tell

2405
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 1: me what title should be over there need be fun

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02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:20,080
Speaker 1: to see what we can come up. Help out Mr Rinnella,

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02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:25,000
Speaker 1: he's a businessn so in the meantime episode number twenty three,

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Speaker 1: it's coming at you next Tuesday. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: the Honey Collective dot com is there. You can read articles,

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Speaker 1: you can watch videos, you can listen to podcasts, all

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you've heard from last week's guest Jason Matt Singer

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Speaker 1: and a lot of others. So we'll be with you

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Speaker 1: next time number sign it off. See us at