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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, June seventh, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're down

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Speaker 1: to be on the Madden cover. It's me and your man, MG,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant, joined by Michael f Floya. We're a studios,

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Speaker 1: we got specialists. Josh Susie. Give yourself a hand. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you hanging out with us. Uh yeah, man, So

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Speaker 1: the Madden cover came out today. Your boy Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: is on the cover. How you feeling.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited, I tweeted it. I said, there was like

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Speaker 2: when I was in high school in college is when

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Speaker 2: I really got into football, and there were years where

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Speaker 2: the schedule would release and it'd be like, Okay, the

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Speaker 2: Bills do not have a single primetime game this year.

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Speaker 2: So to have someone from their team on the cover

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Speaker 2: of Madden, the first player ever from the Bills on it,

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Speaker 2: the first time fans are ever on the cover, it's

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Speaker 2: a It's a big day for me is a Bills

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Speaker 2: an Allen fan, but it's a huge day for I

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Speaker 2: would just say like the whole city and fan base

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Speaker 2: of Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I'm trying to go back and look.

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Speaker 1: So the first year that the Madden game was released

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, actually this was one nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: but I think it really kind of took off starting

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four. By then that Bill's Dynasty mad

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Speaker 1: kind of over, you know, like the Four Falls of

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Speaker 1: Buffalo had already happened, and so yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 1: just it just hasn't really been any real candidates from

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Speaker 2: Like six or something years, like maybe even more than that,

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Speaker 2: the cover was always John Madden. It was just in

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Speaker 2: a different pose, like that's what I remember the first

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Speaker 2: couple of Maddens that I played being. But yeah, since

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Speaker 2: they changed the players, I mean, before Josh Allen, the

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Speaker 2: best case Stevie Johnson maybe for a Bills.

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Speaker 1: Player like that was gonna happen. It was bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was kind of kind of rough. So

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Speaker 1: congratulations to Josh Allen. I know he tweeted that it

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Speaker 1: is a childhood dream, which honestly that sort of made

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Speaker 1: me laugh because I was like really, and I'm like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's of the age where it probably was a childhood

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Speaker 1: dream to me on the Madden cover.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a little bit older than Josh, but

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Speaker 2: like Madden is how I became a football fan. Like

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Speaker 2: I wasn't the biggest football fan as like a young kid,

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Speaker 2: but I loved playing Madden and NFL Blitz. Those are

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Speaker 2: my two games so much so that NFL Blitz started

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Speaker 2: off first and thirty. When I first started watching football,

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Speaker 1: Started a thirty thirty and I was like.

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Speaker 2: Wow, like ten is much easier than thirty. And obviously

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Speaker 2: now I know, but yeah, like that, I'm sure there's

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people like me who are football

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Speaker 2: fans because of this game.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. In fact, when we sat down before we started

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Speaker 1: the show, we were sort of talking about it, and

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Speaker 1: you asked like, hey, do you you know who in

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Speaker 1: here knows Madden as a football coach? And I remember

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Speaker 1: after he died there was sort of that conversation about

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Speaker 1: like there were probably three ways that you were first

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Speaker 1: introduced to John Madden. Either you were introduced him if

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Speaker 1: you are of a certain age you knew him as

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Speaker 1: the head coach of the Raiders, the Oakland Raiders, or

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Speaker 1: if you were a certain age, like for me, I

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Speaker 1: was introduced to John Madden as just a television commentator,

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Speaker 1: him doing games with Pat summerl first on CBS, then

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Speaker 1: him as the guy on the cover of the video game,

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Speaker 1: you know, so like he spanned generations as a football

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Speaker 1: guy forever.

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Speaker 2: Now I think will be the face of football video games,

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Speaker 2: so that his legacy is gonna go on strong.

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Speaker 2: I will say, though I was a little you know,

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Speaker 2: check our email and it's like, here's a bunch of

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Speaker 2: research on Josh Allen, and I'm like, so people in

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Speaker 1: You know. I have known people who admitted that they knew.

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Speaker 1: People that I know have interviewed Josh Allen before time

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Speaker 1: before before this came out as in preparation for this.

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Speaker 1: So yes, while the general public at large was informed

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Speaker 1: So there it is. So Josh Allen is on the

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Speaker 1: cover of Madden. The curse is gone, so curses over now, Like,

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Speaker 1: football stuff on the field type stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We do some hype train or smoke screen. We'll also

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Speaker 1: dive into quarterback ADPs. Last week we sort of did

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Speaker 1: a who'd you rather with running backs and wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: This week we want to talk about some quarterback ADPs.

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Speaker 1: Figure out if they're too high, too low, or just right.

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Speaker 1: Understanding that you know, things are going to change between

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Speaker 1: now and the start of the season and the latest

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Speaker 1: edition of Florio's film Festival, we go under the Sea.

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Speaker 1: It is not the Little Mermaid. It is Crimson Tie.

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Speaker 1: It is a bunch of angry men and a submarine

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Speaker 1: trying to prevent nuclear war or maybe start nuclear war,

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Speaker 1: depending on your perspective. So we will dive into that.

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Speaker 1: No pun intended, although maybe pun intended, I don't know. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: It felt like it was a good time to do

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Speaker 1: another round of hype train or smoke screen because some

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Speaker 1: things have happened that aren't necessarily factual news but more rumor,

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Speaker 1: and we can kind of dive into them. The first one,

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Speaker 1: the rumor that has been gaining steam lately, is that

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook could be leaving Minnesota and going to Miami,

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Speaker 1: and this florio has been talked about for a while.

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Speaker 1: There's been suggestions that his time in Minnesota might be

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Speaker 1: is picking up steam. I guess, first of all, is

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Speaker 2: I so if Dalvin Cook is cut, I think it'll

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Speaker 2: be hype trained. I think this is the best landing

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Speaker 2: that he's a member of the Minnesota Vikings because I

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Speaker 1: So I mean you say that right, I'm actually gonna

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Speaker 1: A little telling, right, so little telling, it's a little telling.

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Speaker 1: So Dalvin Cook in Miami, that's already a very crowded

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Speaker 1: And who is the odd man out? Because it's hard

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Speaker 1: There's certainly no way they can rotate four guys. What

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Speaker 2: I think it would mean good things for Cook because,

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Speaker 2: like I said, outside of him staying in Minnesota and

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Speaker 2: because even with Alexander Madison, like they know what they

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Speaker 2: Feed Dalvin Cook the ball. But if he goes to Miami,

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Speaker 2: look he gets I think he'll be the lead back.

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Speaker 2: I think he would get a lot of touches. The

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Speaker 2: one thing, yeah, like he was getting stuffed more last season,

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Speaker 2: like Devon ah Chan like in Best Ball, because I'm like,

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Speaker 2: But if they signed Dalvin Cook, I think you can

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Speaker 2: Most are all of them, like, I think they would

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely the lead back there. I think the guy

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Speaker 1: honestly forget that he's still there right exactly, Miles Gaskin.

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Speaker 1: I think what Cook gives them, as you mentioned, not

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Speaker 1: only that that big playability. I think he gives them

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Speaker 1: think a chan can do it, but I think you know,

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Speaker 1: a Bills fan, you can't want this to happen.

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Speaker 2: For my Bills fan brain, No, but for my fantasy

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Speaker 2: root for it. I would just hope that he misses

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Speaker 1: Year and they just having a big agains Buffalo, right actly.

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Speaker 1: I understand that that makes total sense to me. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is all again sort of rumor, and in you window,

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Speaker 1: when this actually happens. It would definitely shuffle some things

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Speaker 1: around in Miami if Dalvin Cook were too land there.

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Speaker 1: But back in Minnesota, Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell believes

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Speaker 1: Alexander Madison can be a three down back hype train

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Speaker 2: Train to an extent, like I think Alexander Madison has

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna say, smoke screen, I will

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Speaker 1: Absolutely once once we get into training camps, I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's about right now. I

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Speaker 1: this feels okay given the information that we have. Here's

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Speaker 1: one Romeo Dobbs believes Jordan Love can do quote same

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Speaker 1: exact thing in quote as Aaron Rodgers. I already see

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Speaker 1: you like rubbing your your rubbing the bridge of your

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go out and say that you're calling

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Speaker 2: Not only Look, I understand players are gonna hype up

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I want to know why, specifically, Romeo Dubbs. Dobbs was

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Speaker 2: asked for this. You ask the guy who played with

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Speaker 2: like if it was DeVante Adams saying that, I'd be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers looks like, I know, I'm I am, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. I get it. You want to pump up

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Speaker 1: come on, dog, like nobody, nobody is buying this at

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Speaker 1: all that Jordan Love can do. Because if Jordan here's

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, like that's that's just facts,

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Speaker 1: leaving them in limbo. If Jordan Love could do all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, literally, the packers would have said stay.

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Speaker 2: In Peru or wherever they have dealt with the headache.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't they wouldn't have done it, so I appreciate

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Speaker 1: from a real fantasy perspective, right, I mean, Love is

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Speaker 1: What in your mind would constitute a good fantasy season

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Speaker 2: I mean, if he was able to do like hey,

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Speaker 2: it was a disappointing year. He finishes the QB twelve. Overall,

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Speaker 2: he averaged fourteen fantasy points per game. I would want

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Speaker 2: But if he could throw for thirty seven hundred yards

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Speaker 2: like that was a really good year for Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: and The funny thing is we came away from that

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Speaker 1: If if Jordan Love could do what Aaron Rodgers did

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Speaker 1: last year, I would say that would be a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: don't know, twenty eight, twenty seven, twenty eight hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: that's an outstanding year for Jordan Love. I'm expecting him

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Speaker 1: I think I probably do too. I'd have to go look,

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Speaker 2: The only concern I have with Christian Watson is he

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Speaker 2: And I understand why the upside that he brings in

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Speaker 1: So you ask if Jordan Love can connect on the

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Speaker 2: Even a down Aaron Rodgers last year is still one

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Speaker 1: I just I think the argument in favor of him

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Speaker 1: much last year, partially because the Bucks offense was not

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Speaker 2: Smoke screen all day? I am avoiding the Bucks offense

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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 2: Not only do I think going from the greatest quarterback

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Speaker 2: Everyone else could hype him up to me. The Bucks

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Speaker 1: Want to avoid this year. So I'm with you. I

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00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: think it's a smoke screen, not because they don't want to.

436
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 1: I believe that they want to make it a priority.

437
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,719
Speaker 1: I think they really do. I don't think they can

438
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 1: get it done. I mean, I'm totally with you on this.

439
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 1: This is an offense that really struggled in a big

440
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 1: way last year and it has gotten materially worse. As

441
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Tom Brady is gone now, he is retired.

442
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: They're replacing him with some combination of Kyle Trask and

443
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. The offensive line had issues last year. Mike Evans,

444
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: Chris God, when are a year older, you know, Rashad

445
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: White was I guess okay. I know people have tried to,

446
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, make comparisons between he and Leonard Fournette about

447
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: who was better, and I think when you sort of

448
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 1: grade them out, it was kind of a wash. I mean,

449
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: I guess White gets the nod because he's younger. But

450
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing about this offense that screams high scoring this year.

451
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I think watching the Bucks, I'm sorry, Bucks fans,

452
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: it might be a slog watching your team this year offensively.

453
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: And so you know, Todd Bowles may have all the

454
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: best intentions in the world of getting Mike Evans in

455
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 1: the end zone. I just don't know that it's gonna happen.

456
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: I know you and I have said that this could

457
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: be the year his streak of a thousand.

458
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: You're just gonna ask Goes and said, do you think

459
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: he gets a thousand yard? Yeah?

460
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Speaker 1: I think I think it ends this year. I mean, look,

461
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: he gets the benefit of having a seventeen game schedule,

462
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: which maybe helps him a little bit, But I don't know.

463
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he ends at like, you know,

464
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: nine to fifties something like that.

465
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 2: Also, no one wants to draft Tyler Lockett because he's

466
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: gonna be thirty one. Mike Evans is gonna be thirty

467
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: and I haven't heard a single peep about that.

468
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: I guess because I have a laundry list of other

469
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: reasons to not draft back Evans that I haven't even

470
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: gotten down to what his age is gonna be. So

471
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: that's that's my thing. At least in Denver, Sean Payton

472
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: has a vision of Greg Dulcic becoming the Broncos quote joker,

473
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: not Nicole Yelkicch. Mind you a position played similar to

474
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Speaker 1: what Taysom Hill did all those years in New Orleans.

475
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: One hype train of smoke? Screen two? Is this a

476
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: good or bad thing?

477
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Speaker 2: I think this is a hype train, And you know,

478
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Speaker 2: as you said it, I was like Taysom Hill probably

479
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: comparable to Yokich in some senses, and that they're just unicorns.

480
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 2: I can do a little bit of everything.

481
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Speaker 1: Except that you want Nicole Yolkch on your fantasy Yes,

482
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Speaker 1: you do.

483
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: Not wants he ruins everything in your fantasy team. I

484
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Speaker 2: actually I saw we were gonna be talking about this

485
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Speaker 2: today in the pot. So I looked into it and one,

486
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham breaks the numbers when you look at Champayn's

487
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: tight ends. So like I was like, okay, let's take

488
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Speaker 2: out Jimmy Graham, those three big years he had and

489
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 2: the ad because if you include the Jimmy Graham year

490
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: for the fifteen years that he was a head coach,

491
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: his tight end one average with the Titan twelve scored

492
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Speaker 2: last year.

493
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Speaker 1: Okay, if you take.

494
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: Away the three Jimmy since Jimmy Graham the last seven years,

495
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: his tight ends have averaged what would have made enough

496
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: to make him the tight end eighteen last year. But

497
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Speaker 2: I will say it was very much I felt like

498
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: personnel dependent, like he did get multiple tight end one

499
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: years out of Ben Watson and Jared Cook. And then

500
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Speaker 2: I looked at Greg Doltzik numbers and compare them to

501
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: what the Saints tight end's numbers were, and as a rookie,

502
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: he outperformed them so on a metric basics. So I

503
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: was like, I could see the hype yere for Greg

504
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: Dolzik and I ended up bumping him up in my rankings.

505
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: I think he should go somewhere like in the tight

506
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: end twelve through ten through like twelve range something like that.

507
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit later, but I see the appeal.

508
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: I just I don't think. I don't want people to

509
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: push him up too far, because if he starts going

510
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: in a top ten tight end, then I think we're

511
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 2: taking him at his ceiling.

512
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: I like Greg Dulciic a lot last year because he

513
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: stepped in. I know he missed the first few games

514
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: because of injury, but once he stepped in, he immediately

515
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: was getting looks and was immediately productive in the Broncos offense.

516
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Speaker 1: So I when I first saw this headline, I sort

517
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes and I had a deep sigh,

518
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: because you know, when most of us here the name

519
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, all we think about is, you know, stolen

520
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: goal line opportunities, people clamoring for him to get like

521
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: tightened eligibility, even though he has even had like one

522
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: game a year that was decent. The rest of the

523
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: time he's given you like two and a half points,

524
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: and so like that was my first thought. No, I

525
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: kind of thought about it, and I said, look, Greg

526
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Dulson doesn't have to be Taysom Hill. They just made

527
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: to use him like Taysom Hill. And so if you

528
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: factor in what he did as a route runner and

529
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: it's a pass catcher, and if they want to use

530
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: him as you know, some sort of wrinkle down near

531
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: the goal line and maybe up his touchdown potential, this

532
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: potentially is a good thing. But I'm with you, let's

533
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: not go overboard and suddenly just jam him up your

534
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: rankings a little bit. I still think you're looking at

535
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: the same what top six or eight tight ends, and

536
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: then we have that group that sort of can be

537
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: mixed and match behind him. I think he's probably still

538
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: in that group of mix and matches, but maybe he

539
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: moves up higher in the mix and match if that

540
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: makes sense.

541
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what. Because I had him lower I call

542
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: it the blob, like the twelve tight ends that come

543
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: after the top eight, I did move him up higher.

544
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: I still like Evan Ingram and David and Joku Moore.

545
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: So that's why I said ten for me is the

546
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: highest I think I could push him. But my thinking

547
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: is like, hey, yeah, you could use him like Taysom Hill,

548
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: or you could use him like a tight end like

549
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: you did Jimmy Graham probably get even better results.

550
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Speaker 1: I mean you know, like, hey, like I could you know,

551
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: use this hammer as a hammer or I could use

552
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: it as like I don't know a way to try

553
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: to like screw in, like right exactly. Sometimes things can

554
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: be what they are. It's fine. We don't have to

555
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: overthink it. It's fine. Last one, Frank Reich says, Laviscus

556
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: Chanal can do some Deebo Samuel type things. This one.

557
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: It's it's like he was talking directly to me, hype

558
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: trainer smoke screen here.

559
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think this is a smoke screen,

560
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: but for your sake, I so badly want this to

561
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: be a hyper like Deebo's your guys. Chanol has been

562
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: your guy for a while, Like let's just let's go

563
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: full circle.

564
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 1: I know, I this was totally a Godfather three moment, right,

565
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: like when when you think you're out, they pull you

566
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: back in. Like I was already I had. I really

567
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: had let go of the rope with Chanl last year

568
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: for sure, maybe in the year before that. I was like,

569
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: all right, fine, I get it. I know I'm beat.

570
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. He's just not gonna be productive. Now you

571
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: got Frank Reich saying he can do some Deebo Samuel

572
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: type things. I'm going to say, smoke screen. I'm not.

573
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not ready to have my heart broken again.

574
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: I can't do this. I get it, and I here's

575
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: the thing. I don't think he's wrong in the sense

576
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: of chana can be a runner, he can be a

577
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: pass catcher, he can do those things. He did those

578
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: things very well in college. There were moments when it

579
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: seemed like they they had him doing that in Carolina.

580
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: But I do think at this point in his career

581
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: we sort of know who he is. And even if

582
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: they are trying to sort of rebuild things there with

583
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: the Panthers, uh, there are other places for them to

584
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: go with the football right there. There are other things

585
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: are gonna do there. So I just don't see Chanaut

586
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: doing enough of any one thing to to sort of

587
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: make an impact. Here's the thing, Chanal, I don't want

588
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: to compare him to Duke Johnson's I think Duke Johnson's

589
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: a better player. But what he used to always say

590
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: about Duke Johnson is that he was a good running back,

591
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: but always on team with better running backs. And he

592
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: was a good receiver, but always on a team with

593
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: better receivers, and I think that sort of applies to Chanal,

594
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: Like you can do a lot of things, but the

595
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: Panthers have other guys who can do those things better.

596
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: And the thing with I agree one hundred percent. And

597
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: the thing with all the comparisons to Debo always it's like,

598
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: and I've seen people say like, yeah, I know it's

599
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: a ridiculous comparison, but like, if anyone could do it,

600
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: it's Chanal. And I'm like, yeah, but if you lowered

601
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: Deebo's catching ability and his running ability and and like

602
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: and say we're playing Madden, if you took his skills

603
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: and just lowered each one of them a little bit,

604
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: and we're like, Okay, he's still the prototype of this player.

605
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: He's just not as good as him. It's not going

606
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: to work the same way, and it's not going to

607
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: nearly be as effective. So I get why so many

608
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: players were like, put this guy in that role. There's

609
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: only one Deebo Samuel, and that has been proven over it.

610
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean is it's like it's like being a little

611
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: kid and being like, Mom, I want Deebo Samuel, and

612
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: moms like we got Deebo Samuel at home, right, And

613
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: it's just not the same. It's like some bootleg, you know,

614
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: generic brand version. Channault is the debo that's at home. Yes,

615
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: this is Chanald is the debo that is at home.

616
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: So uh anyway, so that's that's a big fat smoke screen.

617
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm I just I can't buy back in. I can't. Sorry,

618
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: Frank Reich, all right, we'll take a quick break, come back.

619
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Speaker 1: We will dive into some quarterback ADPs, figure out something

620
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: that were maybe too high, too low, or they're all

621
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: just right, who knows. We'll figure that out, and then

622
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: we will go under the ocean and get a little

623
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: bit intense with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman for Crimson Tide.

624
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: That's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

625
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: Let's if it's some quarterback ADPs. And I was sort

626
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: of inspired to bring this up because Judy Bautista wrote

627
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: an article on NFL dot com recently about four teams

628
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: that greatly help their quarterbacks in the offseason and five

629
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: that didn't. I'm not going to really pick on all

630
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: nine of those quarterbacks, but I did pick out a

631
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: few we're in the article, you know, some from the

632
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: good side, some from maybe the not so good side.

633
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: It's worth checking out, though. Go to NFL dot com

634
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: look for that article by Judy Batista. Just a quickly

635
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to kind of think about, but picked

636
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: out five quarterbacks here we can kind of kick around

637
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: whether or not we like their ADPs, the first one

638
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: being Aaron Rodgers, who moves from Green Bay to New

639
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: York obviously, and the Jets have pretty much done everything

640
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: they can to roll out the welcome Matt right, this

641
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: was not a bad team last year. They lacked consistent

642
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: quality quarterback play, but they have Garrett Wilson. They brought

643
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: over some of a Rodgers pals to help him at

644
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. They will hopefully get a healthy

645
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: breeze haul back, so there are a lot of things

646
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: there right now. Aaron Rodgers is QB sixteen, as you

647
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Mike, he was the QB twelve last year

648
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: in I don't know if he's a better situation, but

649
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: certainly one where they are going to help him out

650
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: as much as possible. So QB sixteen too high, too low?

651
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Just right?

652
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: I think that is just right. And I originally when

653
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: I did my early rankings for this season, I had

654
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: him at twelve. Then I flip flopped him, put Anthony

655
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: Richardson ahead of him. Then I put Daniel Jones ahead

656
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: of him, And now I'm looking at my rankings. I

657
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: have him at fourteen, but I'm like, behind him is

658
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Geno Smith and Kirk Cousins, who both won flat out

659
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: out scored him last year and averaged way more points

660
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: per game. And I think you could argue that their

661
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: teams helped them as well, like they both used the

662
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: first round pick on a rookie receiver. So I'm now,

663
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: this is why I like doing stuff like this, because

664
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: it makes me question my rankings and stuff. And then

665
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: I had just talking about it. Now I think I'm

666
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: gonna slide Rogers down to sixteen, which is exactly where

667
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: he is.

668
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: All right, So I've got him at thirteen. I've got

669
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: just ahead of Tua, just behind Kirk Cousins. I I'm

670
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: tempted to leave him there, although I am tempted to

671
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: flip flop him in Tua right now. Put Rogers at fourteen,

672
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: put Tua at thirteen. So I guess it's not crazy.

673
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm a little bit higher on Rogers,

674
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: but not obnoxiously so just having him two spots above

675
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: kind of what the consensus ADP is right now, you know,

676
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those things where like, yes,

677
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: he did finish as the QB twelve, but there are

678
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: easily twelve quarterbacks that I think are going to be

679
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: better than him this year, even with all that help

680
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: around him. Would I be surprised if he finishes QB

681
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: twelve again, No, not at all. But I think I think,

682
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, sixteen's not terribly off for where he is right,

683
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: which is wild.

684
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: Because he was like a top five quarterback forever.

685
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: Forever, forever. Next one is Jordan Love and again the Packers,

686
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: per Judy Batista have you know, they've done some decent

687
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: things to try to help him out. They have a

688
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: couple of young wide receivers. They went out and drafted

689
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: three wide receivers and a couple of tight ends, so

690
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: they are putting weapons around him that we sort of

691
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: talked about him a little bit that he is QB

692
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: twenty too high, too low?

693
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: Just right, I think it's a little too high. I

694
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: understand that when you're at QB twenty you're going for upsides,

695
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: so I could get it, but I have him at

696
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: twenty three right now, like my twenty I have him

697
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: behind Stafford and Carr, Bryce Young. I even put Kyler

698
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: Murray ahead of him because while I'm very low on

699
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray and I think he might not even play

700
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: much this year, if he does play, and he's going

701
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: to be better than a lot of the people that

702
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: I had him behind. But then I have Love at

703
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: twenty three. And the thing though, is like at twenty

704
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: four is Brock Purty And if you can guarantee, like

705
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: if you told me who the starter for the forty

706
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: nine ers would be, whether it's Purty, Lance Darnold, they

707
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: would be ahead of Jordan Love for me. And then

708
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: like I have Desmond Ridder right behind him, and like,

709
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: please tell me what the difference between Jordan Love and

710
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: Desmond Ridder are, because they're both unproven quarterbacks who are young,

711
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 2: who don't have a lot of experience, but who have

712
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: really good weapons around them, and on our team that's

713
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: probably gonna want to run the ball a whole lot.

714
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: So I've got Jordan Love as my QB twenty four,

715
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: I will probably move him up a spot. I've got

716
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo just ahead of him. And with Garoppolo and

717
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: his foot issues and the uncertainty around him, I think

718
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: he moves down. I haven't figured out where, but he's

719
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: gonna move down quite a bit. I do have brock

720
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: Perty at twenty two, Kyler Murray at twenty one, so

721
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: I think at twenty three is probably about the highest

722
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to go with Jordan Love for the moment.

723
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: So again, I guess we're both. We're off compared to

724
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: what the consensus ADP is, but not wildly so. I

725
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: think when you're that low, I think in your quarterback rankings,

726
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of a wash. I think at

727
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: that point, right like you, you're not you know, you

728
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: don't you don't think consensus is wildly off at that point.

729
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: So I guess we're okay with Jordan Love for the

730
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: most part. I'm a little bit lower than consensus you

731
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: are as well, but not crazy. So Dak Prescott QB

732
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: eleven right now. And this is one where Judy says

733
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: she was willing to sort of withhold judgment about what

734
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did. They did add Brandon Cooks, but they

735
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: also have Mike McCarthy now calling plays, and how does

736
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: that impact things. I mean, part of the reason McCarthy

737
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: is no longer in Green Bay is because Packers kind

738
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: of got tired of his play calling there and the

739
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: fact felt like he was limiting what Aaron Rodgers and

740
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: that group was able to do. So now he takes

741
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: over in Dallas. Daksman he's been fine. I mean, he's

742
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: a fringe QB one. He has been the last few

743
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: years when he's healthy. QB eleven too high, too low?

744
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: Just right?

745
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: I have it just right. He is my QB eleven

746
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 2: in my rankings, and I have toyed with the idea

747
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: of even pushing Anthony Richardson up a little bit higher,

748
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: which would jump Dak. But that's the I keep struggling

749
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: to push him ahead of Dak because I get it

750
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: Deak struggled. Last year was the QB fifteen in points

751
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: per game, but the year prior, each of the three

752
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: years probably than that, he was top eight in points

753
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: per game. So willing to give him a pass on

754
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: last year. But I agree with what you said on

755
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy and the change for I'm Kellen Moore. I

756
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: think they're gonna be a little bit more run heavy

757
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: like last year. That was a big change and why

758
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: DAK struggled just because they went from being a past

759
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: heavy team to a run heavy offense. I could see

760
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: that carrying over with the with Mike McCarthy and I

761
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: have Tua ahead of him. I have tuat QB ten.

762
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: I get the risk, but my thinking is like at

763
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: that point, like I have just Deshaun Watson at nine,

764
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm swinging for upside there, and if Tua stays healthy,

765
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: he is going to be a top ten quarterback, maybe

766
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: even higher than that. That's why I pushed him ahead

767
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: of DAK. If you want to go Dak ahead of TWA,

768
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: you're not.

769
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: Gonna get much of an argument out of me, though

770
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: I think it's exactly right. I'm with you. I have

771
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: him at QB eleven right now, and you know, maybe

772
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: I shuffle some things around a little bit, but for

773
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: the most part, I think I think that's sort of

774
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: right as long as he stays healthy. I think, you know,

775
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: they lose Dalton Schultz, but they add Brandon Cooks, so

776
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: that ends up kind of being I think a little

777
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: bit of a wash. And really for me, it's just

778
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: about staying healthy more than anything else. I think, even

779
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy calling plays. I still think this in

780
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: offense that is going to run heavily through the passing game.

781
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, they at least for the moment, seem to

782
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: have moved on from Ezekiel Elliott. So this very much

783
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: is Dak's offense right now. So I think that alone

784
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: helps him a little bit. So QB eleven seems kind

785
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: of right on brand there, CJ. Stroud. This is why

786
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: the judy again was sort of like she was waiting

787
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: to see the Texans do more. Cooks is gone right now.

788
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: The number one receiver in Houston looks to be Nico Collins. CJ.

789
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: Stroud is at QB twenty six, too high, too low,

790
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: just right.

791
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: I think it's just right. I haven't met QB twenty

792
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: seven right now, but he's one spot behind Jimmy g.

793
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: We have to see what happens with that foot issue.

794
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, low end quarterback three something like that, someone

795
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: that really only wanted super flex I would say, or

796
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: two quarterback formats. But it's I don't think there's a

797
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: lot of talent around him. I think there's receivers that

798
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: you can get excited for in the scheme of like

799
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: they can get a lot of volume here because there's

800
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: no one else. There's no receiver here though, that I

801
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: think takes this offense to a new level that includes

802
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz. But I will say CJ. Shroud can outlive

803
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: this if he runs. But will he run. He ran

804
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: really one game in college, so we don't know.

805
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't a big part of his game in college.

806
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Maybe some of it's because when you had the wide

807
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: receivers that he did, you didn't necessarily have to. But

808
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I've got him at QB twenty eight, so again not

809
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: wildly off of what the consensus is. I'm a couple

810
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: spots lower at the moment, and you know, I've got

811
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: him just ahead of Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett.

812
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: Those are the three quarterbacks I've got behind him. Just

813
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: in front of him, I've got Desmond Ritter, Ryan Tannehill,

814
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. So you know, I mean it feels sort

815
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: of right. I mean, there's just not much expectation for

816
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: what's going to happen in Houston. Offensively, they're sort of

817
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: rebuilding some things. But I wouldn't put a lot fantasy

818
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: wise on CJ. Stroud this year. He's just not a

819
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: guy that I think you can you can rely on

820
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: so but you know dynasty, you know he's obviously getting drafted.

821
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: Take your dart throws at him. I guess in deeper,

822
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: deeper fantasy leagues to QB leagues, that sort of thing.

823
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: But I think the the expectation is pretty muted for

824
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: him right now. One guy that did not make Judy's

825
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: article that I thought was interesting. Nonetheless, Daniel Jones had

826
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: his breakout season last year. Right Daniel Jones was the

827
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: QB nine seven hundred and eight rushing yards, seven rushing

828
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: touchdowns to go along with his thirty two hundred passing

829
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: yards QB nine finish last year. Going as the QB

830
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: fourteen this year, how are you feeling about that ADP

831
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones.

832
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: I'll say it's a smidge too low. I have him

833
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: at QB thirteen, so one spot higher than where he's going.

834
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: My thinking is, I think he's still going to run

835
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: a good amount like that seems to be a staple

836
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: in Brian Dables offense. Josh Allen always ran when he

837
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: was there in Buffalo, and then Daniel Jones has a

838
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: career year rushing wise, I don't foresee any reasons why

839
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: that would change, but I could see the passing numbers

840
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: getting better. Not only did they bring in Darren Waller,

841
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: who is obviously a huge upgrade over anyone that they

842
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: were throwing the ball to last year. He's by far

843
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: their best pass catcher now, but I think bringing in

844
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: Jalen Hyatt also goes a long way, because now you're

845
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: bringing that speed factor that you were missing last year

846
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: and that deep ball factor. And something that I talk

847
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: about a lot like is that you don't need to

848
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: connect on the deep bawlt all the time to get

849
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: the benefits of having that in your offense, like just

850
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: having the threat that you could beat someone downfield. Defenses

851
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: have to, you know, kind of gear up for that

852
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: a little bit and pay more attention to that, whereas

853
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: when you don't have that, they can just crowd a

854
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, which is what teams did last season

855
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: against the Giants. So I could see Daniel Jones being

856
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: a top ten fantasy quarterback. Again, I don't want to

857
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: pay that price because I don't think the upside is

858
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: any higher than that. Like I feel like last year,

859
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit better is the ceiling. So I'm

860
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: not gonna pay a top ten price for a guy

861
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: who I think the ceiling is being top ten, but

862
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: you know, getting him as a high end QB two,

863
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: I think that is a sweet spot form.

864
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: So I will say I think consensus is a little

865
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: too low. I've got him at QB nine right now,

866
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: but I will also admit that that is drafting him

867
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: probably at his ceiling right like. But I can see

868
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: him being a top ten quarterback again, and not necessarily

869
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: because I think he's you know, I think what we

870
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: saw from Daniel Jones is right about at the limit

871
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: of what he can do. But I do think, you know,

872
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: we maybe trade off some rushing yards for a little

873
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: bit more passing. I think that's sort of what happened

874
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: adding Darren Waller. I mean, we joke about them just

875
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: having a collection of slot receivers, which doesn't make me

876
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: excited about drafting their receivers, but it does add more

877
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: weapons for him to throw to in that offense, so

878
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: I think that sort of helps him. But again, he

879
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: still has that rushing upside that we want out of

880
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and I think that goes a long way.

881
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: So I've got him at QB nine. Look, I could

882
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: be talked into moving him down a couple of spots,

883
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: but I think I think we're a little bit too low.

884
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I think we've just decided that, you know, Daniel Jones

885
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: can't repeat what he did last year, and I'm not

886
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: totally sure about that. I think I think maybe he can.

887
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I think we've seen the best of him, but I

888
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: think he can kind of put one more together in

889
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.

890
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: To me, I have a tier. It's like Watson, Tua,

891
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: Dak Richardson, Daniel Jones, and to me, those are the

892
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: five quarterbacks I wanted. If I miss out on the

893
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: top eight. We talk all the time, there's like big eight.

894
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: To me, that is my next five because what you say,

895
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: like the upside that they bring both as passers and

896
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: with their legs, I just think it tops like with

897
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: Gino where Cousins or Rogers can give you.

898
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I think the Giants may have

899
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: put themselves kind of in football purgatory by going all

900
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: in on Daniel Jones, But that doesn't mean it's gonna

901
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: be that for fantasy at all. I don't think so

902
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: there it is. Those are our qbadps for now. Of course, Well,

903
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure revisit this again before we get to the

904
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: start of the season. But time now for another edition

905
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: of Florio's film festival this week, and it is Crimson Side.

906
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: Your quick synopsis on a US nuclear missile sub a

907
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: young first officer stages a mute need to prevent his

908
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: trigger happy captain from launching his missiles before confirming his

909
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: orders to do so at least May twelfth, nineteen ninety five.

910
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: The budget of fifty three million, the gross worldwide one

911
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven million. Your first thoughts on watching

912
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide.

913
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: Amazing movie. I'm really one. The cast is great, like

914
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: young Denzel awesome, Gene hackneing awesome. James Gandolfini was in it.

915
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was his first like movie

916
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: role or something like that. The dude from I don't

917
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: even know his name, but the actor from a Bronx

918
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: Tail who plays the older version of c he was

919
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: in the movie. I loved the cast. I loved the

920
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: movie throughout like it. It felt real and realistic and

921
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: I was on edge watching it. And this was a

922
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: movie where I told you the phone test is often.

923
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't looking at my phone a whole lot I was,

924
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: I was locked in, and yeah, I was getting angry

925
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: at times because a lot of what they were doing

926
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: was maddening. But it it It was a really, really

927
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: enjoyable watch.

928
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: So I after I watched it, I watched it last

929
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: night and this morning, I was, you know, in the

930
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: my text chain with some some close friends, and I

931
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: texted that I think I think Crimson Tide might be

932
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: a perfect movie. I could get a little bit of

933
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: push back because then it evolved into an argument of

934
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide versus The Hunt for Red October, which is

935
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: a whole other thing.

936
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: So maybe I haven't given the Hunt for Red October

937
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: a fair chance. I watched it in a high school class,

938
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: so I guess I wasn't like sitting down to enjoy it.

939
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: I found that movie very boring, and I found Crimson

940
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: Tide very interesting.

941
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: There's there's not as much action in Red October. It's

942
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: very it's a lot more dramatic, a lot more you know,

943
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot more narrative, it's a lot more cerebral.

944
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, it does move a little bit slower. I mean,

945
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide is just there's a lot of action's a

946
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: lot happening there. So, I mean, I would say, give

947
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: give Red October another shot, but they are They're different movies,

948
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: and the pacing of them is incredibly different in both

949
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: of them. One thing about the movie Crimson Tide, the

950
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: last sixty minutes of the movie is almost in real time,

951
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: sixty minutes to launch, sixty minutes pretty much to the

952
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: end credits.

953
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: And it felt like, you know, when they're like the

954
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: Russian missiles will be ready to launch in twelve minutes,

955
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: and then like three minutes later, like nine minutes, You're like,

956
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: this is this feels like real time?

957
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, you know, take that twenty four Like

958
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's where the idea came from

959
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: for twenty four or what, but yeah, it was. Honestly,

960
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it is peak Denzel, it is peak Gene Hackman.

961
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: It's an incredible film. You know. I remember seeing this

962
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: in the theater be like, man, this is amazing. One

963
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: thing that was sort of weird now that I'm thinking

964
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: about this and I watched it. The movie came out

965
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: in May of nineteen ninety five. At the end of

966
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: the movie, though it says that in January of ninety six,

967
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: that nuclear submarine commanders are no longer allowed to fire

968
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: missiles or whatever the end.

969
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: You didn't know that? Is that not true?

970
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's true or not. But

971
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute. This movie came out in

972
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: ninety five and may have ninety five. How do you

973
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen in January of ninety six. Yeah,

974
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't see.

975
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I just took it at face value.

976
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, did you know that it was

977
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: based on a true story.

978
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean I assumed it was sort of. I didn't

979
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: know it was based on a true story, but I

980
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: sort of assumed it was like a hypothetical, like hey man,

981
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: this may have happened, or what if this happened?

982
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: Sort of according to Wikipedia, which I don't know how

983
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: reliable it is, this almost had like this happened on

984
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: a Soviet submarine during the Cuban Missile crisis. But it

985
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: was just like they were going to send a nuke

986
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: missile at another submarine, which is far less cool. So

987
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: I get why they pitched.

988
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: It to what it is. You have to raise the

989
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: stakes for the movie.

990
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: But when I saw that, I was like, I'm kind

991
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: of happy I wasn't alive for when the real life

992
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: version of this happened.

993
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: You know, I only know the Cuban missile crisis from

994
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: you know, like high school history classes and that sort

995
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: of thing. Uh. I d an episode of quantum Leap

996
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: from like the early to.

997
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Middy sounds like a stressful time too.

998
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: It's like an incredibly stressful time. I wasn't around for that.

999
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: A couple other fun facts. Quentin Tarantino was brought in

1000
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: to do uncredited punch ups of the dialogue. His major

1001
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: contribution was the comic book bickering scene.

1002
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: Which added a lot to the movie. I saw like

1003
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: it makes the I guess sailors would they be called? Yeah,

1004
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: the navymen connect to Denzel more than they do the captain.

1005
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean it was it was sort of Denzel

1006
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: as as you said. It was sort of him getting

1007
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: to know some of the crewmen there, some of the

1008
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: sailors there. And it also set up that that conflict

1009
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: between the two guys that ended up being important later, uh,

1010
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: when they had to break Denzel out of the mess

1011
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: to uh, to go and take take the con back.

1012
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: The part of capsin Ramsey was written originally with Gene

1013
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Hackman in mind, but Tommy Lee Jones and al Pacino

1014
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: were also considered for the role. I could see Tommy

1015
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: Lee Jones and now I can see Tommy le Jones there.

1016
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: I could not see al Pacino.

1017
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: No, alf don't know who's having a kid.

1018
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: Who's having a kid now, because I guess he saw

1019
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: Robert de Niro doing that and it's like, hey man,

1020
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: you can't be the only mob guy, old mob guy

1021
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: who's having a kid right now. Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise,

1022
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: and Andy Garcia were considered for the role of Hunter.

1023
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: Would have been a very different movie. Like Denzel is

1024
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: one of those actors that I feel, and I told

1025
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: you the other day, like he's one of Him and

1026
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio are probably my two favorite actors. But there's

1027
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: a lot of actors where I'm like, you could take

1028
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: this guy out and put in someone else, and I

1029
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: could see it. Denzel is one of those actors where

1030
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you take him out of the movie,

1031
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: it's a completely different.

1032
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: Fastly different movie. I know. I did read that Brad

1033
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: Pitt really wanted to do it when he thought al

1034
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: Pacino was going to be in it, because he really

1035
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: wanted to work with al Pacino at the time. They

1036
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: have since, you know, done stuff together in other movies,

1037
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: and so when al Pacino decided he wasn't gonna do it,

1038
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: then Brad Pitt sort of backed out of it. Tom

1039
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: Cruise in that movie just like I don't know, Like

1040
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: I think what works about it is that it's very

1041
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: much Denzel and Gene Hackman's who are going head to head.

1042
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I feel like if Tom Cruise is in the movie,

1043
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: he just overshadows everybody.

1044
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: Was Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt were they did Tom

1045
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 2: Cruise and Brad Pitt that they are today.

1046
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise was because this was well after Top Gun,

1047
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Like Tom Cruise was definitely a big deal. I don't

1048
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: think Brad Pitt was as big a deal in nineteen

1049
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: ninety five, but but Tom Cruise certainly.

1050
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: It's like when Brad Pitt's and Friends, I'm like, I

1051
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: wonder if he was a big deal to be in

1052
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: Friends or if it was a big deal for him

1053
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: to be in Friends.

1054
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a bigger deal for him

1055
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: to be in Friends.

1056
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: That makes sense, like he but like, yeah, whenever I

1057
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: watch stuff with actors who are huge now that's always

1058
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: the question.

1059
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, so, I mean so, I mean I

1060
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: think I know your answer. But would you willingly watch

1061
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: this again? Yes?

1062
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 2: And for does it hold up? I think it holds

1063
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: up too well. Like watching the movie, I was like, oh, okay,

1064
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: nuclear war with Russia feels a little too on the

1065
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: note of twenty twenty three, like, uh so, I was

1066
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: very concerned about that. And also it makes me scared

1067
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: because it felt very realistic. Isn't it wild that like

1068
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: one blood hungry dude could have blew up the whole world,

1069
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: destroyed the whole world, and no one and everyone, well

1070
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: he's the captain, we gotta no. But it feels like

1071
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: that could happen in real and I'm sure it happens

1072
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: on a daily basis at an all different.

1073
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: Levels, and we have no idea, Like, you know.

1074
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: Just one guy who gets a bruise, the ego, who

1075
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: wants to prove it how tough he is. And he's

1076
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: like and he even says at one point, he's like,

1077
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: do you think I'm just blood crazy cowboy? Yes, that's

1078
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: who you are. That's who you are, captain. Like the

1079
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: whole movie, all you wanted to do was blow people up.

1080
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: Just in case they're trying to blow you up first,

1081
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: with no confirmation if they were or not.

1082
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean that was sort of the thing at the

1083
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: end when they are standing in front of the I

1084
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: don't know the tribunal or whatever it is, and you

1085
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: know when the admirals says like, this is the thing

1086
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: that we have to wrestle with now, like as a

1087
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: nave and has an armed forces, because technically everything you

1088
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: guys did was buy the book, but you know, the

1089
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: book could have gotten us all blown to hell. Literally.

1090
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you're both right, and like we need

1091
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: to figure to me, the most unbelievable part of the

1092
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: movie was at the very end when when Gene Hackman

1093
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: is like you were right and I was wrong. I

1094
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: was like, there's no way. This lifelong military guy I.

1095
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: Was just sort of hedged it too. He was like, yeah,

1096
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: about these horses that I was talking about. I was like,

1097
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: I liked it.

1098
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really good way to end

1099
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: the movie. But I was like, in real life, that

1100
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: captain walks out like he was like he should have

1101
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: blown up.

1102
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: The whole world. Absolutely, yeah, I think I think a

1103
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: guy with that much ego sort of holds to his

1104
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: priors and is it really willing to back off?

1105
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: He would do well in the fantasy community, he really would.

1106
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: He would be great. You know, you just hold on

1107
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: to your priors, and you know he would probably buy

1108
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: back in on the visca Chnault's.

1109
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 2: Before we end the festival though, Oh yes, we saw

1110
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: another movie together this yeh see a movie.

1111
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: Me, you and our producer friend Hythem Kalani. We went

1112
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: to finally see Fast X together as a family. It

1113
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: was everything I wanted it to be. Same, It was

1114
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: everything I wanted it to be.

1115
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: Someone asked me, is it a good movie? And I said, well, good, yeah,

1116
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 2: Like if you go for good cinema, no, you're gonna

1117
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: be terribly disappointed. It makes no sense. There's can I

1118
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: give spoilers or it's a very little spoil sure, sure,

1119
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: why not spoiler alert? A bomb goes off and blows

1120
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: up half of Rome, but there's no fatality, no fatality,

1121
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: like it's a terrible movie and sense like that. But

1122
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: if you go in wanting just like ridiculous action and

1123
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: to me like I treated almost like a comedy, like

1124
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: I was cracking up the whole movie, it's enjoyable.

1125
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: The funniest parts to me were all the times that

1126
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: Vin Diesel tried to be dramatic, when he tried to

1127
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: have a serious look on his face and be really emotional,

1128
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, and and all the times thinking about his

1129
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: son and and you know about Letty and his family

1130
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: that he's building and he has.

1131
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: I love it for It's like with the son comes

1132
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: in and Michelle Rodriguez is like, so you're drifting yet,

1133
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: like he's ten years old.

1134
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: You're driving these muscle cars around Dodger Stadium at like

1135
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: ridiculously high rates of speed. Yeah, Like I said, you're right.

1136
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: It's it's not a great movie in the sense of cinema,

1137
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: but man, I enjoyed the hell out It.

1138
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: Was the It was easily better than nine. It was

1139
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: nine eight.

1140
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Nine was was so over the top that it was like, wow,

1141
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know, I'm just gonna sit back

1142
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: and sort of just let it wash over me.

1143
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: But I think nine is the worst in my opinion,

1144
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: Nine is the worst of them.

1145
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: I think, uh yeah, so, But here's the thing. This

1146
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: was part one of three. If I understand right, you know,

1147
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: like this is this is the beginning of the end

1148
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: of the Fast series.

1149
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: I also heard rumors that there might be a Hobbes

1150
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: movie like between the three, which is like how much

1151
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: movies are are you gonna make?

1152
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: They're gon run The're gonna run this thing into the

1153
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: ground because heah spoiler alert, I guess he's back. We're

1154
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna ride. Let's the other part of

1155
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: this movie, Like, and I if you think a character

1156
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: is dead in this movie, they're not. Just the whole

1157
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: series of movies. I know Susie's watching it. You said

1158
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: you just watched two, right, So you'll go through the

1159
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: series and characters will die and they will have sad moments.

1160
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: They're not dead. Just I'm just letting you know now

1161
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: that none of the characters you think are dead are

1162
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: not actually dead. So unless they're a villain. If they're

1163
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: a villain, then they're probably dead unless like but not

1164
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: even that. Actually, no, I take that back.

1165
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: They probably come back and they're all of a sudden

1166
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: a good because literally every even the woman I forget

1167
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: her character's name, but who has the God's Eye, Like,

1168
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she's on their teams. Yeah too,

1169
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: It's like no, but I did not to give too

1170
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: much way I did like that they pry on that

1171
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: and they're like, you think you would turn everyone and

1172
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 2: that's how we get you. And I'm like, okay, that.

1173
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: Was good storytelling. They have to be the movie. I

1174
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: will say this, the series has become self aware. Yes,

1175
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: like it realized. They realize that, like they're all doing

1176
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: ridiculous stunts and no one dies or gets like seriously hurt. Yeah,

1177
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: they understand what they're doing.

1178
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: Hype them. Ask me again last night. He was like,

1179
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: I understand and why they like that they can bring

1180
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: con back, But why did he have to fake his

1181
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 2: own death in the Beowa?

1182
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: No one knows.

1183
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I think they just literally explained it

1184
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: by like he was in a bad way with some

1185
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: bad people and that's it.

1186
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: Like like a lot of these things are just like

1187
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: sort of you know, explained away by one line and

1188
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: all the characters are like okay. So then me as

1189
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: a viewer, I'm like okay, and then we just we

1190
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: just move on with driving fast and smashing things.

1191
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: You're not going for for realism or storytelling or anything.

1192
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: You're going this isn't. This isn't Crimson Tide is what

1193
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: we're saying.

1194
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's literally a scene in one of

1195
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 2: the old movies where they play card Chicken and both

1196
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: crash and get out of their car. Like at that

1197
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: point you're like, Okay, this is this is what I'm expecting, this.

1198
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Is this is what it is right now. But like

1199
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: I said, if you're in on the series, go watch it.

1200
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it already, go check it out

1201
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: because it will not disappoint you. Just understand what you're

1202
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: watching when you sit down.

1203
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch Fast X two.

1204
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that that's actually So what is the

1205
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: next one? Is it gonna be Fast X two, Fast

1206
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: X squared, Fast x plus one? Like how do they

1207
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: how do they do the name met squared?

1208
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: That would be that would be my person squared would

1209
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: be I would doubt it was just a little little

1210
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: above the Yeah.

1211
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, like I I would be down for that.

1212
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 2: As long as Jason Momoa is in it, I will keep.

1213
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: Going He's gotta be He's gotta be in it because

1214
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: he honestly was a great part of the movie. You

1215
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about a guy who just choose up

1216
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: the scenery, Jason Momoa was a scene tower the luxe

1217
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: all throughout.

1218
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: That he said, he I forget the two. It was

1219
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: the Joker and someone else. Oh and Captain Jack Sparrow,

1220
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, those are two of my favorite characters in

1221
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 2: movie history.

1222
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: So like, I love it. And I didn't know that,

1223
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: but knowing that now, I'm like, oh, yeah, I see it.

1224
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: I think it was the Heath Ledger Joker and Jack Sparrow.

1225
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: I totally see it. I have his movements and stuff. Yeah,

1226
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent. So anyway, that's our review of

1227
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Fast X as much as we can. Next week we

1228
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: are because, uh, this was requested. I don't know if

1229
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: it was requested in the building or was this externally,

1230
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: but from dusk till dawn.

1231
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: I never I can't even tell you who's in this movie.

1232
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: So it is, I, you know, just the overview? Is

1233
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: it Quentin Tarantino film? Uh, George Clooney, Harvey Kaitel, Salma Hayek.

1234
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: World's are colliding, worlds are colliding? Now, I remember I

1235
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: have to remember, right, I think it was written by

1236
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: Tarantino and directed by Robert Rodriguez or vice versa.

1237
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's right there. That's and then Sam Hi

1238
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: Samahayak multiple movies.

1239
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of connection, a

1240
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: lot of connective tissue to things we have already done.

1241
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: And then we go from George Clooney to the mister

1242
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: Freeze Batman. I've seen that many times.

1243
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: We don't have time again. I'm like, I remember read

1244
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: that that movie wasn't very good. So anyway, yeah, so

1245
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: that's next week. So from dusk till done, nineteen ninety

1246
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: six should be a lot of fun. It is borderline ridiculous. Uh,

1247
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: maybe not as ridiculous as say, like The Last Action Hero,

1248
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: but pretty ridiculous on its own. So anyway, that'll do it. Uh.

1249
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys hanging out with us and listening

1250
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: to our movie talk and our fantasy football talk as well.

1251
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: We thank you for listening as always. That'll do it

1252
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They happy,

1253
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: safe and healthy, do good and live well, enjoy whatever

1254
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: movies and fantasy draft you have, and we'll talk to

1255
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: you next week.