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Speaker 2: Do I want Dirk to come home?

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I really don't care.

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Speaker 1: Do you want him to come home, yes or no?

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Speaker 2: I want to see him resolve the last two charges

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Speaker 1: I respect it. But do you want him as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want him to resolve it. I want him

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Speaker 3: to resolve it.

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Speaker 1: It's a difference. You got to let him answer that.

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Speaker 1: It's a difference. Do you want to see Dirk come home,

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Speaker 1: yes or no? He didn't get stabbed. Shut the fuck up, man.

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Speaker 3: BRUHLERS!

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Speaker 1: BRUHLERS! HOW DO YOU GET MOVIES WHERE?

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Speaker 3: OW! RIMBLE! Yeah, it's the talk of New York, Tony Ayo.

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Speaker 1: And it's the boy Uncle Murda, a.k.a. Ledgett Lenny.

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Speaker 4: And welcome to the Real Report Show, where things always

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Speaker 4: get real. Make some noise for Trap Lord Ron.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is going to be interesting today.

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Speaker 4: Trap Lord, I got to thank Vlad TV for connecting

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Speaker 4: me with you. Straight from London. I appreciate you coming here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I watch you damn near every day. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're one of the guys in media to watch. Shout

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Speaker 1: I see you got it.

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Speaker 4: Two pages, one is like in the millions and the

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Speaker 4: other one is like a half a million. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to get to that later. I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 4: the Vaughn serial killer story.

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Speaker 3: I want to get in that. To the Jacksonville wars.

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Speaker 3: of course, Dirk Trial. Free Dirk, everybody.

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Speaker 1: We always want a free Dirk. Free Dirk, man. Free Dirk.

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Speaker 4: But we going to start off, I got to start

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Speaker 4: one to the end. You know, there was fans out there.

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Speaker 4: Some people liked you. Some people hate you. You had security.

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Speaker 4: I see you got big man out there. You always

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Speaker 4: These are podcasting guys and streamers. They got professional security, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Tell me what day one was like of Dirk Trial.

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Speaker 2: Man, it was crazy. I just want to say thank

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Speaker 4: I'm going to cover that now. Instead of, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's funny because I was saying, we

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Speaker 3: Bigger numbers than me, but.

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Speaker 2: People appreciate his perspective because he'd been through the streets

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Speaker 3: Football is back, folks.

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Speaker 4: And you need to change the way you invest in

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Speaker 2: I mean, bear in mind, I was covering King Von

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Speaker 2: when he was alive.

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Speaker 3: There's a tweet- Oh, you know I know that. I

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Speaker 3: know about that, right? Come on, it's been years. You've

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Speaker 2: The serial killer documentary on King Von was a little

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Speaker 2: while after he passed away. But when Von was alive

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Speaker 2: in 2020 before he passed away, I did a whole

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Speaker 2: his team was trying to take my YouTube channel down.

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Speaker 2: They nearly took my channel down. They pressed me and

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Speaker 1: Stuff to keep my channel- Do you understand why they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I can understand why, yeah. But it's like,

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Speaker 2: I can understand why, but then it's also, I can't

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Speaker 2: understand why you would want to rap about that stuff

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Speaker 2: and put it out there, but then get mad when

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Speaker 1: You enjoy the music?

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Speaker 2: I love the music.

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Speaker 1: So then you can't, so you see how it's like

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Speaker 1: a double side. You're like, yo, I like the music.

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Speaker 1: I love it. But then I want to highlight things

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Speaker 2: The thing is, I totally understand what you're saying, but

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Speaker 2: I don't see it as me getting the guys in trouble.

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Speaker 2: I see it as me just pointing out something that

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Speaker 2: is just in front of my face. Like King Von,

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Speaker 2: for example, he had a lot of songs where he

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Speaker 2: was talking about murders that he had done. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say the word, but he, you know, allegedly

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Speaker 2: case was out there and he's got lyrics about it.

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Speaker 2: There's IG lives where they're talking about they smoking on KI.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, I understand why. It's like he mad

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Speaker 2: that I'm bringing attention to it, but he bringing attention

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Speaker 2: it's like Dirk, for example, right? You know, my coverage

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Speaker 2: billions of streams talking about the stuff that was going

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Speaker 2: on in the trial. That stuff is out there publicly.

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Speaker 2: It's been publicized by Dirk. Like Vaughn was, Vaughn, I

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Speaker 2: don't think anybody wanted to know Vaughn had seven bodies

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Speaker 2: more than Vaughn. Like Vaughn on IG Live talking about, hey,

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Speaker 2: how many you think I got, gang? Like on, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's more than five. On, oh, it's more than five.

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Speaker 2: Like merch net on his hood that he's got more

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Speaker 1: Those be allegedly, and this be for entertainment purposes. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: people trying to build reputations, entertainment, you know?

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Speaker 2: That, I think that's the thing with King Vaughn. It

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Speaker 2: was definitely for entertainment purposes, but then it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: when you looked into it, those things were true. He

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Speaker 2: he allegedly took their lives. And it's kind of like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not the one responsible for that. I'm just pointing

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, there's like a duality of man.

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Speaker 2: I think King Von is a man that had, he

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Speaker 2: was very complicated. He had different sides. He was very

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Speaker 2: talented at music. He was allegedly very talented at the

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Speaker 2: stuff he had going on in the streets. And he

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Speaker 2: then he also tweeted about everything that he did. And,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's hits and then there's tweets right after

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Speaker 2: where he's talking about, like, you wouldn't believe the stuff

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Speaker 2: I'd done. He got one famous tweet where he's like,

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Speaker 2: he's like, I really didn't can name, was it? He

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Speaker 2: can name 10 GDs I've shot and five I've killed

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Speaker 2: so it's kind of like he making a spectacle of

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Speaker 1: He can say that, but it don't mean it's true.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Hold on, let me talk.

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Speaker 1: He could say that, right? But it don't mean it's true.

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Speaker 2: But in his case, it seemingly was true.

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Speaker 1: You could say seemingly, but it don't mean it's actually true, Ross.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It don't mean it's true.

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Speaker 1: He could say these things because rappers do it all day.

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Speaker 1: You might talk about certain things from your neighborhood or

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, but it don't mean it's true or you

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Speaker 1: was the one responsible for doing these things.

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Speaker 2: So when you was saying you got shot in the head, right?

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Speaker 1: And then it kind of- You talking about me, right? Yeah. Yeah, see,

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Speaker 1: I lied about that. Yeah, yeah. I lied about getting

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Speaker 2: And so it came out later that it was embellished,

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Speaker 2: that it was glass that hit you, right?

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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Why did you say you got shot.

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Speaker 1: In the head? Entertainment. Right?

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Speaker 2: But for the purpose of gaining attention, gaining traction for

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Speaker 2: your music career?

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Speaker 1: Of course.

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Speaker 2: But let's say you really got shot in the head

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Speaker 2: and survived.

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 3: You would do the same thing, right?

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Speaker 1: Of course.

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Speaker 2: But would we not be saying, yo, Uncle M really

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Speaker 2: got shot in the head. This is crazy. Like, It's

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Speaker 2: really proven. We actually can prove that he got a

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Speaker 2: shot in the head. Do you not think that like

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Speaker 2: the fact that you put that out there because you

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Speaker 2: knew it would be something people would talk about. I

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Speaker 2: think it's like the fact is with King Von, it's

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Speaker 2: like he was doing the same thing. But then upon

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Speaker 2: closer inspection, them seven people really not here anymore. And

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Speaker 2: he really tweeted after every single murder. And there ain't

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Speaker 2: really no alternative theory or there ain't no like. it

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Speaker 2: turns out Vaughn was really capping. He's seemingly, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's not alive anymore, so I can't defame him, but

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Speaker 2: it seems like he killed- But they didn't prove.

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Speaker 1: They didn't say he did it. He never was charged

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Speaker 1: for these things.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was charged with one that he beat, and

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Speaker 2: then they exceptionally cleared the KI murder and said that

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Speaker 2: he was the one that did it a couple years

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Speaker 2: after he passed away.

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Speaker 1: I feel like after he passed away, they was just

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Speaker 1: trying to say anything at that point, trying to maybe

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Speaker 3: You know what it was, Murda?

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Speaker 4: Me watching serial killer King Vaughn with Trap Lil Ross.

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Speaker 4: Vaughn will tweet and say, death is in the air.

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Speaker 4: And it's at like 5.05 o'clock, right? It's like 5.05.

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Speaker 4: By 5.15, the nigga's dead. So that was the thing

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Speaker 4: about Serial Killer. His point was, he was tweeting and

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Speaker 4: shit was really happening like 10 minutes later. Like, yo,

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Speaker 4: I feel like eating cereal today. It was just a

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Speaker 4: lot of shit with Vaughn because that's what the kids

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Speaker 4: days when the Suburbian kids, and he was buying into

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Speaker 4: the 50 Cent story. He got shot the fuck up,

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Speaker 4: street dude. They buying into that, but now it's on

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Speaker 4: a whole nother level because it's social media and we

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Speaker 4: know Chirac is like a never ending circle of violence.

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Speaker 4: That's all you hear every day. I've been watching this

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Speaker 4: Q50 story. got killed, and it was like motherfuckers getting

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Speaker 4: killed like every other day after that.

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Speaker 3: Go into that, because he'll tell you about that.

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Speaker 4: A motherfucker went up there and was like playing around,

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Speaker 4: doing a meme, and he got killed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I seen that a couple days ago. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: But I I understand what you're saying, though, and I

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Speaker 2: do respect your opinion, what you're saying with Vaughn. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a case of, though, like the reason I

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Speaker 2: use that example is just a case of like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you knew as a rapper and you've marketed yourself amazingly,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I grew up listening to both of

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Speaker 3: And like, you know, I remember being younger.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we were talking outside, you know, 50 getting shot

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Speaker 2: just thought, how can you survive that and still be

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Speaker 2: was like some shit to me. It was just like, how, like,

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Speaker 2: like you were super, like, how is that even possible?

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Speaker 2: So I think it's almost in a kind of inverse

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Speaker 2: King Von, because bear in mind, I didn't make up

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Speaker 2: to trash his reputation. He left the breadcrumbs of that.

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Speaker 2: as marketing for his career in a similar way that

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Speaker 2: you would have done in your career that worked. And,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's part of why, part of why Von

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Speaker 2: to him was like, yo, he's a realist. Like, yo,

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Speaker 2: he really did that shit. Like he really lived that.

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Speaker 2: So it, to me, it wasn't, it was never that

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to disrespect him or put him down. But

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Speaker 2: I think with Von, I feel like one thing that

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Speaker 2: I find difficult is people kind of come at me like,

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Speaker 2: I've said.

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Speaker 1: This before, right?

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Speaker 2: It's like, People are like, oh, you didn't know that

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Speaker 2: he really did that. Why are you putting that on Vaughn?

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Speaker 2: It's like, if Vaughn was alive in this room and

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Speaker 2: you said, hey, you got no bodies, you didn't do shit,

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Speaker 2: Vaughn would slap you across the face. Like, Vaughn was

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Speaker 2: really serious. Like, Vaughn wasn't out here trying to tell people,

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Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing, bro. I ain't got no bodies. Like,

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Speaker 2: that ain't happening. Vaughn was out here on some little, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what's going on with Vaughn. You know, Vaughn

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Speaker 2: big GDK and he, you know what I'm saying? He really, like,

433
00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,800
Speaker 2: posting Instagram stories of, like, seven skulls. Like, yeah, now

434
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,250
Speaker 2: you know, like, type stuff. So he wanted... He wanted

435
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:07,430
Speaker 2: someone like me to pick up on those breadcrumbs, but

436
00:18:07,550 --> 00:18:07,949
Speaker 2: I think it.

437
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:09,699
Speaker 1: Is- He didn't want you saying something. You see, his

438
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,380
Speaker 1: team said, take that shit down, Trapp. He didn't want

439
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,740
Speaker 1: you putting that shit up there. He didn't want you

440
00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:16,459
Speaker 1: highlighting it. You know what it is? He didn't want

441
00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,399
Speaker 1: you playing internet detective.

442
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:19,980
Speaker 3: Here's what I think.

443
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,310
Speaker 1: They call you internet detective.

444
00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:21,909
Speaker 2: No, they do.

445
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:23,710
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yes, all right, cool. So he didn't

446
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:25,250
Speaker 1: want you playing internet detective.

447
00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:27,450
Speaker 2: I think he wasn't expecting someone to be as good

448
00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:29,570
Speaker 2: as being an internet detective as I was, and then

449
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,649
Speaker 2: he was like, oh shit, I might have put a

450
00:18:31,650 --> 00:18:35,700
Speaker 2: little too much about this. Bear in mind- The KI story,

451
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,159
Speaker 2: it was kind of out of his hands because one

452
00:18:38,180 --> 00:18:40,030
Speaker 2: of the things that surfaced, I didn't do this. I'm

453
00:18:40,050 --> 00:18:42,370
Speaker 2: not a hacker. I didn't get this information. But like

454
00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:44,050
Speaker 2: one of the things that was circulating, and I didn't

455
00:18:44,090 --> 00:18:49,919
Speaker 2: put this out there, but like KI was killed in 2014.

456
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,540
Speaker 2: King Von, look, King Von was active. When King Von

457
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 2: was on the streets, people was dying back to back

458
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,679
Speaker 2: to back to back. And then when he was locked up.

459
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,119
Speaker 2: Slow down a little bit.

460
00:18:58,140 --> 00:18:59,500
Speaker 1: When you was on the streets, people was dying.

461
00:18:59,540 --> 00:18:59,820
Speaker 3: Trap?

462
00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:01,159
Speaker 2: No, no, but let me get, let me get, let

463
00:19:01,180 --> 00:19:02,359
Speaker 2: me land on this.

464
00:19:02,380 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 1: People die when you're on the streets. I know what

465
00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,830
Speaker 1: you're saying. You can't be putting it on like that,

466
00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:08,850
Speaker 1: but go ahead. I know what you're saying.

467
00:19:08,869 --> 00:19:10,970
Speaker 2: But he got picked up for another murder, say like

468
00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:13,210
Speaker 2: two months after the KI murder, right? He ends up

469
00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:15,570
Speaker 2: beating that murder. I don't know if you know the

470
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:19,550
Speaker 2: story about Big Mike, but basically Von's homie gets picked

471
00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:21,070
Speaker 2: up by the police. He does some dumb stuff. He

472
00:19:21,109 --> 00:19:23,670
Speaker 2: basically says, I bust off shots, but I didn't kill

473
00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 2: the guy. Von says nothing. So the guy, they're thinking

474
00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:30,220
Speaker 2: the guy's going to snitch. Really, he's just accidentally implicated himself,

475
00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 2: Big Mike. Big Mike ends up going down for it.

476
00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:35,380
Speaker 2: Jury decides there's not enough evidence on Von. Von never

477
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,879
Speaker 2: says anything to anyone, sits down for like, I think

478
00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:40,050
Speaker 2: it was about three years or so, and then gets out.

479
00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:42,510
Speaker 2: But when he gets out, bear in mind, KI's been

480
00:19:42,530 --> 00:19:44,570
Speaker 2: dead for like three years. No one's really done anything

481
00:19:44,609 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 2: about it. They can't get to the bottom of it.

482
00:19:47,170 --> 00:19:48,869
Speaker 2: You know, years later, people that are with her are

483
00:19:48,890 --> 00:19:49,969
Speaker 2: doing interviews saying, yeah, I was there.

484
00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:50,659
Speaker 1: It was Vaughn.

485
00:19:51,220 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 2: But somebody hacked into K.I. 's Twitter account, you know,

486
00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 2: years after she was dead when Vaughn's a rapper. We're

487
00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:59,810
Speaker 2: talking like 2019, I think. And so like somebody on

488
00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:03,869
Speaker 2: 4chan that's followed this Chicago scene really closely hacks into K.I.

489
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,090
Speaker 2: 's Twitter and then leaks all of these DMs between

490
00:20:06,130 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 2: Vaughn and K.I., that have never been seen before. And

491
00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 2: it's like, Von's trying to meet up with her, trying

492
00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,619
Speaker 2: to get her location. They going back and forth and

493
00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: nobody's seen this, but that was already put out there.

494
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 2: Everyone was talking about it. There's all different kinds of

495
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,609
Speaker 2: threads about these DMs with Von and KI. And you know,

496
00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:21,609
Speaker 2: the coldest thing, you would have seen this in the documentary,

497
00:20:21,630 --> 00:20:25,070
Speaker 2: but like, I think it was, I can't remember what

498
00:20:25,109 --> 00:20:29,190
Speaker 2: channel it was. I want to say, is it, forget

499
00:20:29,230 --> 00:20:31,909
Speaker 2: the actual, the channel, but there was like a TV

500
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:37,850
Speaker 2: documentary about KI, Jakira, the gang girl. And they interviewed

501
00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:40,310
Speaker 2: Von in that documentary. And he's in that interview, like

502
00:20:40,369 --> 00:20:42,780
Speaker 2: smoking a blunt, being like, I miss her, man.

503
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 3: That was my bitch.

504
00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:45,740
Speaker 2: We was together every day. Come to find out he

505
00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: actually allegedly was the one that killed her. But when

506
00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: you watch that clip back, he trolled, he in the

507
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 2: documentary about.

508
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,100
Speaker 3: Her life trolling.

509
00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:55,970
Speaker 2: And then like the foot, the messages between them circulating

510
00:20:56,010 --> 00:20:57,449
Speaker 2: on 4chan, people have hacked the messages.

511
00:20:57,750 --> 00:21:00,389
Speaker 1: So it's like alleged messages. Cause we don't even know

512
00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: if those is real trap nowadays. People so good. with

513
00:21:03,859 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 1: the way they be putting shit together, we don't even

514
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 1: know if those messages was really real.

515
00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:08,859
Speaker 2: True, but this was before the.

516
00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:12,419
Speaker 1: AI- Even before AI, people had fake messages. It was

517
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,260
Speaker 1: a way to push it together. So we don't even

518
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,899
Speaker 1: know if those messages was actually true.

519
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

520
00:21:18,380 --> 00:21:19,700
Speaker 1: See, that's the shit you be doing sometimes.

521
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,179
Speaker 2: No, I agree though.

522
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: Like, we gotta make sure.

523
00:21:22,270 --> 00:21:24,070
Speaker 2: But what I do, I think what I do is like,

524
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:26,270
Speaker 2: I bring together all the information about a topic together.

525
00:21:26,650 --> 00:21:29,010
Speaker 2: I agree, if the only thing that connected King Von

526
00:21:29,150 --> 00:21:31,910
Speaker 2: to the murder of KI was just this set of messages,

527
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,980
Speaker 2: I wouldn't really feel like that's enough. I wouldn't be

528
00:21:36,020 --> 00:21:36,660
Speaker 2: convinced by that.

529
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's not enough to go, yes, he did this. No.

530
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,699
Speaker 2: But then he's got his own lyrics talking about it.

531
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,149
Speaker 2: We've then got testimony from other people saying, yeah, he

532
00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:46,270
Speaker 2: did it. You've then got the Chicago police say that

533
00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:49,230
Speaker 2: he matched the description. He's got a bunch of lyrics

534
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:52,190
Speaker 2: talking about it. And then he tweeting about it afterwards. Like,

535
00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:54,850
Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you put all that was

536
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 2: my whole thing. It's like I get everything there is.

537
00:21:56,730 --> 00:22:00,260
Speaker 2: I put it together and I say it looks looks

538
00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:01,220
Speaker 2: like that's what was going on.

539
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: About traps and I get it all together. You want

540
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,290
Speaker 1: to be a cop. I don't want to be a cop.

541
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:05,949
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a cop.

542
00:22:06,010 --> 00:22:08,409
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know. Because traps and I get

543
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:11,209
Speaker 1: all the information together. Then I'm about to go crazy

544
00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:11,969
Speaker 1: on this shit.

545
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:13,750
Speaker 3: You know what I explain to murder sometimes?

546
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:17,409
Speaker 4: I tell them like, certain guys, if you kill a

547
00:22:17,490 --> 00:22:20,909
Speaker 4: favorite rapper, the detectives, they're coming for you. They're going

548
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:24,020
Speaker 4: to be on Reddit. They're going to be in the comments.

549
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 4: Like somebody will get murdered, for instance. Like he'll come

550
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,739
Speaker 4: with something. What I like about his style is when

551
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,460
Speaker 4: he covers something, he goes in the comments. And people

552
00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:34,750
Speaker 4: is telling you, well, he'll be like, yo, after Q50

553
00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:35,110
Speaker 4: got shot.

554
00:22:35,170 --> 00:22:36,710
Speaker 1: You mean he's arguing with the people.

555
00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:37,450
Speaker 3: In the comments? No, he's not arguing.

556
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:41,170
Speaker 4: He's reading the comments. And in the comments, they'll be like, well,

557
00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 4: Q50 got killed. This guy, three people got shot. Not

558
00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:49,220
Speaker 4: condoling violence, but hope they, you know, survive.

559
00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 3: A lady and everything.

560
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,270
Speaker 4: And people will be like, well, it's over Q50 getting killed.

561
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,409
Speaker 4: And people will praise it like, oh, they turning up.

562
00:22:56,770 --> 00:22:58,389
Speaker 4: And then people in the comments would be like, it

563
00:22:58,430 --> 00:23:01,740
Speaker 4: wasn't them. It was them on the other side. People

564
00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:05,899
Speaker 4: are willingly giving you the information. Not only just the artists,

565
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,140
Speaker 4: but it's not even internet detectives. If somebody don't like you,

566
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: they're like, man, fuck it. Yo, yeah, they didn't do that.

567
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,050
Speaker 4: We did that. They didn't put in that work. Or

568
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:19,510
Speaker 4: it's like social media is the new streets. So we

569
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:23,590
Speaker 4: be mad like, We'll say it's self-snitching or whatever, but people,

570
00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:26,490
Speaker 4: everybody's showing what they got, what they doing.

571
00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:29,170
Speaker 3: So you can't really get mad at him. He's just

572
00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: giving you- No, I'm not mad at that.

573
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: Not you. I'm not mad at that trap. I'm just

574
00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: kicking it with him. I want to know, understand. You

575
00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:36,939
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like why certain things, why you

576
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,460
Speaker 1: do this? Do you feel normally like right now, like damn,

577
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: if I do dig into some certain information, it probably

578
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,290
Speaker 1: could lead to somebody actually losing their freedom.

579
00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:51,820
Speaker 2: I personally don't believe that's true. but this is a

580
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: big point of debate. I feel like we're not going

581
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: to agree on this. I think a really great example

582
00:23:56,540 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: is like this Dirk case, okay? I've been talking about

583
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,950
Speaker 2: this for quite a long time before Dirk was locked up.

584
00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:06,869
Speaker 2: But if you'd been following that situation, again, I don't

585
00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:09,150
Speaker 2: know how closely, I know, I'm sure we're all fans

586
00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:11,550
Speaker 2: of Dirk's music, but I don't know how closely you followed,

587
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:13,810
Speaker 2: you know, the beef and the drama. Obviously, like, When

588
00:24:13,869 --> 00:24:15,929
Speaker 2: King Von died and the way that he died, he

589
00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:18,030
Speaker 2: was trying to beat up Kondo Rondo.

590
00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:19,690
Speaker 3: Everybody knows.

591
00:24:20,109 --> 00:24:21,890
Speaker 1: It was all out there.

592
00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:24,889
Speaker 2: But it seemed obvious if you'd follow Dirk's music and

593
00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:27,140
Speaker 2: you'd listen to Dirk's music that there was this whole

594
00:24:27,220 --> 00:24:30,859
Speaker 2: slide for Von thing. So when you turn on the

595
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:33,700
Speaker 2: news in August 2022 and you see Kondo's on the

596
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,060
Speaker 2: street next to his dead cousin screaming no and it's

597
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: on TMZ and it's everywhere, again, I'm not wanting Dirk

598
00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:41,980
Speaker 2: to be locked up. I'm not the reason that Dirk's

599
00:24:42,010 --> 00:24:43,630
Speaker 2: locked up. But I think a lot of people saw

600
00:24:43,670 --> 00:24:45,330
Speaker 2: that and immediately saw that and was like, bro, I

601
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:47,670
Speaker 2: know what this is about. I don't think anybody saw

602
00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:49,649
Speaker 2: Kondo screaming no on the news two years after the

603
00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:52,190
Speaker 2: King Von thing, after countless songs where they're talking about,

604
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:53,700
Speaker 2: we're going to slide, we're going to do this and that.

605
00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: He'd already been shot at once in 2021. I don't

606
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,419
Speaker 2: think anybody saw that and thought like, oh, that's random.

607
00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:00,460
Speaker 2: That's just some random stuff.

608
00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:04,150
Speaker 1: Well, that's LA. It could be. Sometimes things happen in LA.

609
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:06,869
Speaker 1: You told my rappers, with jewelry, people out there, could

610
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:07,610
Speaker 1: have been a robbery.

611
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:08,710
Speaker 3: Things happen.

612
00:25:08,770 --> 00:25:12,310
Speaker 1: It's LA. It is dangerous in LA. It could have been, right?

613
00:25:12,530 --> 00:25:14,389
Speaker 2: But then as time went on, it unraveled and it

614
00:25:15,450 --> 00:25:18,090
Speaker 2: became that there was evidence, right? There was evidence that

615
00:25:18,170 --> 00:25:19,690
Speaker 2: the cops were... And what was interesting is, I think

616
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,100
Speaker 2: I made a video about that probably, I can't remember

617
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,980
Speaker 2: the exact date, but probably like six months after it happened.

618
00:25:24,380 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: And by that point, People have gone on podcasts talking

619
00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: about it, talking about there's no more Slide4Von. I think

620
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,580
Speaker 2: it was just under a year that Dirk went on Academics,

621
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,740
Speaker 2: his own podcast. Bear in mind, before Dirk's locked up

622
00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:37,090
Speaker 2: for this, he's gone on Academics, his podcast. And this

623
00:25:37,109 --> 00:25:38,750
Speaker 2: was a big part of the case, and no disrespect

624
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:41,350
Speaker 2: to Academics, because Dirk chose to go on that podcast

625
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:43,330
Speaker 2: and make those comments. He went on there and he

626
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:46,030
Speaker 2: made those comments and he said, they don't say Slide4Von

627
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:48,290
Speaker 2: no more. They say, for some odd reason, I don't

628
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:50,369
Speaker 2: know why, we're different in the rec. It must be

629
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:53,940
Speaker 2: something in the water, but it's like, Look, we love

630
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,850
Speaker 2: Dirk's music. Dirk's a cool guy, but that was like,

631
00:25:55,869 --> 00:25:59,010
Speaker 2: he's some real Don Corleone. People knew what he was

632
00:25:59,050 --> 00:26:00,850
Speaker 2: talking about with that, right? Now, it wasn't enough to

633
00:26:00,869 --> 00:26:02,730
Speaker 2: convict him. I agree with that. He got found not

634
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:04,909
Speaker 2: guilty on all those murder for hire charges. But as

635
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:08,630
Speaker 2: far as actually the case that was being built against him,

636
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:11,450
Speaker 2: he himself left a lot of breadcrumbs for the cops

637
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,550
Speaker 2: to at least build the case. Now, fortunately for him,

638
00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: he's been found not guilty on five of seven charges.

639
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:17,860
Speaker 2: As it currently stands, there's still two.

640
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: Free Dirk, he's not guilty, Trapp.

641
00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: He's not guilty of murder for hire and stalking.

642
00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: Yes, he's not guilty.

643
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,939
Speaker 2: He's not guilty of murder for hire and stalking. Right now,

644
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: he's still got two outstanding charges and we're going to

645
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: find out. People are saying that they're going to drop

646
00:26:30,780 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: those charges. They might still happen. But what I'm trying

647
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:35,429
Speaker 2: to say, so I'm saying it a roundabout way, but

648
00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:37,350
Speaker 2: I feel like what happened with Dirk is a similar

649
00:26:37,369 --> 00:26:39,410
Speaker 2: thing that happened with Vaughn is that like there was,

650
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:42,190
Speaker 2: what would it have been like two years and four

651
00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:45,850
Speaker 2: months or so where Dirk was out here doing exactly

652
00:26:45,869 --> 00:26:48,169
Speaker 2: what Von did. He was dropping hints and hints and

653
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:50,550
Speaker 2: hints that he was responsible. He got multiple songs where

654
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:52,350
Speaker 2: he make in front of Quando Rondo talking about, no,

655
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:53,709
Speaker 2: that's what he said.

656
00:26:54,109 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: No, he's just making music.

657
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 3: But the feds are going to use it. No, no, no.

658
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 3: They're going to use it. That's all I'm saying is

659
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: the feds are going to use that. We know that,

660
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: which is not right. They shouldn't be able to use

661
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,700
Speaker 3: music in no case, which is not right. We should

662
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: do it if the feds.

663
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,050
Speaker 1: Are going to use it. You think they should?

664
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:14,100
Speaker 2: I feel like in that case, it He was on

665
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,100
Speaker 2: the song screaming, no.

666
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,500
Speaker 1: No, Trapp, see, this is where we got to get you.

667
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,540
Speaker 1: This is where we got to change your mind, Trapp, no.

668
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:22,619
Speaker 3: You can't be a fan of him.

669
00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:24,580
Speaker 1: You can't be a fan of this man and saying, no,

670
00:27:24,619 --> 00:27:26,490
Speaker 1: they should be able to use his music to send

671
00:27:26,530 --> 00:27:27,730
Speaker 1: him to jail for the rest of his life.

672
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:30,190
Speaker 3: No, Trapp. No, I don't agree with that. But that's

673
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:31,530
Speaker 3: not what I'm saying.

674
00:27:31,570 --> 00:27:33,170
Speaker 1: No, Trapp. We got to get you to the prison.

675
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:35,670
Speaker 3: But we know the feds. Because I want you to

676
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:36,990
Speaker 3: get accepted more by the hood.

677
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:38,780
Speaker 1: Because you seem like a good guy, cool guy.

678
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: But Trapp, we know the feds are going to use

679
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,500
Speaker 4: that anyway. They're using music, lyrics, pictures.

680
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,179
Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to get Trapp to understand is

681
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,260
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't want them because he's saying they should

682
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,100
Speaker 1: be able to use the music. to put us in jail.

683
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,220
Speaker 3: No trap.

684
00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:52,180
Speaker 1: That's not right.

685
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,630
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying they should

686
00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:55,310
Speaker 2: just be able to use music to put you in jail.

687
00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:57,790
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that like, if you've snitched on

688
00:27:57,810 --> 00:28:00,030
Speaker 2: yourself in a song and then that's combined with other

689
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:02,010
Speaker 2: evidence that builds up a picture that you did this,

690
00:28:02,030 --> 00:28:03,350
Speaker 2: I don't see why that shouldn't be used.

691
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: No, because they can't prove what you're saying in your

692
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: music is true. You're just making music for entertainment's and purpose.

693
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,820
Speaker 2: But that's why the music is combined with other evidence.

694
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: This is why, don't get me wrong.

695
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,899
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I want to criminalize rap music by

696
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,550
Speaker 2: any means. Would you not, if you were in the studio-

697
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:16,690
Speaker 2: But you know it sounds like that. It could sound

698
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:18,830
Speaker 2: like that when you say, why not? Why shouldn't they

699
00:28:18,869 --> 00:28:22,530
Speaker 2: be able to use the music? But shouldn't the message

700
00:28:22,550 --> 00:28:24,390
Speaker 2: really just be like, don't tell on yourself and your music?

701
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:25,629
Speaker 2: Like if you were in the studio with Dirk and

702
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:28,449
Speaker 2: he's in there rapping, they said, no, I said, let's

703
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: go to war about it.

704
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: Where he go?

705
00:28:30,130 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: I said, this.

706
00:28:32,220 --> 00:28:35,620
Speaker 1: Would have more got him. You can't say, oh, he's

707
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: talking about this and feel like he's, no, you can't.

708
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:38,460
Speaker 2: They tried to.

709
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:40,780
Speaker 1: They tried to. It didn't work. That's what I'm saying.

710
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:43,020
Speaker 1: It didn't work. And it shouldn't be able to work.

711
00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:47,020
Speaker 2: I just think if you get on the song and

712
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: you tell on yourself, if that matches up with other evidence,

713
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:51,710
Speaker 2: I just don't see the problem. I'm not saying rap

714
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:53,490
Speaker 2: should be criminalized. I would have told Dirk. If I

715
00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:54,650
Speaker 2: was in the studio with Dirk, I would have said, bro,

716
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:55,650
Speaker 2: are you sure you want to do all that?

717
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:56,670
Speaker 1: Really?

718
00:28:57,430 --> 00:29:00,170
Speaker 2: He got multiple songs doing the no. He got multiple songs.

719
00:29:00,450 --> 00:29:04,370
Speaker 2: What's the lyric where he says, they're saying slide for Vaughn.

720
00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:06,660
Speaker 2: I know they're trolling me. And he's got the one

721
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: where he says, they said, get it back in blood.

722
00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:12,670
Speaker 2: We've been sliding. They just don't know we have. and

723
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:14,010
Speaker 2: shit like that. And it's just like, when they played

724
00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:14,290
Speaker 2: that in court.

725
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: You looking too deep into it, Trapp. It's just music.

726
00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: What else is there?

727
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:20,460
Speaker 1: It's sound good. It's music. He's just making music. It

728
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,300
Speaker 1: sound good. You saying that like, he's saying that we've

729
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: been sliding the music, so it gotta be true. They

730
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,100
Speaker 1: had to go commit those crimes.

731
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:29,660
Speaker 3: Allegedly, they had been sliding.

732
00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:32,250
Speaker 1: Dirk has been cleared of all crimes. He hasn't been

733
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:35,570
Speaker 1: doing that. He's facing two more. Let's hope he get

734
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:36,030
Speaker 1: through that.

735
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: Trap, murder. Let's be real.

736
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: I listen to Bloodhound Lil Jeff, rest in peace. I

737
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:47,420
Speaker 4: listen to Q50. I listen to King Von. I listen

738
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,410
Speaker 4: to Polo G. I listen to mainly artists in Chicago.

739
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:55,630
Speaker 4: I buy into the story. We all buy into them

740
00:29:55,670 --> 00:29:59,900
Speaker 4: being real. Rest in peace, Bloodhound Lil Jeff. He say,

741
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: I got eight hats. I'm going to lids in my lyrics.

742
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: He's letting you know, I got eight. We don't know

743
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,100
Speaker 4: if it's true. We don't know if it's not. You're

744
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,300
Speaker 4: right about that, but that's what, are we guilty for

745
00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: buying into the violent music? Because I listen to that shit.

746
00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:16,740
Speaker 4: And I follow Trap Lil Ross, and I be on YouTube,

747
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: and I be addicted to it too, as well as

748
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:21,660
Speaker 4: a kid that's in suburbia, that's in the neighborhood.

749
00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:22,460
Speaker 3: It's entertainment.

750
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,860
Speaker 4: It's like me going to watch a Scarface movie, but

751
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,090
Speaker 4: it's fucking real life. So if the artist ain't real,

752
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:31,570
Speaker 4: motherfuckers ain't going to buy into you anyway. So you

753
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:35,170
Speaker 4: got to show niggas you gangster. So whose fault is it, really?

754
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:38,170
Speaker 1: But you got to just understand your power. So I'm

755
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:40,969
Speaker 1: trying to let Trap Lord Ross understand his power. When

756
00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:43,530
Speaker 1: you got these platforms in your voice. So when you

757
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: say certain things, they might take it as, oh, well,

758
00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:49,690
Speaker 1: he's right. He said it. So Dirk got to be

759
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: guilty because that's what Trap Lord Ross think. And you

760
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,310
Speaker 1: might not even all the way think that. You just

761
00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:57,770
Speaker 1: feel like, well, hey, because he said it in the song,

762
00:30:59,130 --> 00:31:00,850
Speaker 1: I believe because he said it in the song. I'm

763
00:31:00,890 --> 00:31:03,190
Speaker 1: not saying it's true, but I kind of believe it

764
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: because he said it in the song. Or, nah, we

765
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:06,860
Speaker 1: can't put.

766
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: That message out there like that. I think a lot

767
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,990
Speaker 4: of fans get mad at him because he give the facts. Like,

768
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:13,990
Speaker 4: and he might say, oh, it's not looking for dirt

769
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:14,810
Speaker 4: good one day.

770
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:15,630
Speaker 1: Right?

771
00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:17,730
Speaker 4: One day, you know, you'll be like, oh, shit, why

772
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: trap Lord Seda? It's not looking for dirt. But you're

773
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:22,459
Speaker 4: going to watch it. And then the next day, he's like, oh,

774
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: now his lawyer's catching wind.

775
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: It's entertainment. It's media.

776
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,020
Speaker 4: When Channel 7, 11, Fox 5, or anybody reports anything,

777
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:34,090
Speaker 4: nobody gets mad at them. You know, I think sometimes

778
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:37,650
Speaker 4: people think personal about things because it's a white man

779
00:31:37,670 --> 00:31:40,020
Speaker 4: saying it. And that's just being the truth. Like him

780
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,690
Speaker 4: or Vlad, they'll be like, oh shit. But he takes

781
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:45,969
Speaker 4: the time to do the homework to actually figure it out.

782
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:48,750
Speaker 4: First example, like I'm going to ask you, he followed

783
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:49,870
Speaker 4: every crime scene.

784
00:31:49,890 --> 00:31:51,210
Speaker 3: And I know you're going to be like, this is crazy.

785
00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:52,930
Speaker 3: He followed every- You see this?

786
00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:55,020
Speaker 1: To their trial.

787
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,350
Speaker 4: He took time to go to every spot Of the

788
00:31:59,390 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: crime scene, the gas station, where they met up with this,

789
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: where they supposedly bought the ski mask, did all that.

790
00:32:05,380 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: But why so invested, Trap? Why so invested? Why be

791
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: so invested like that?

792
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:13,050
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a lifetime fan of hip hop. I

793
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:15,130
Speaker 2: really just grew up listening to rap. I remember when

794
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: Chicago Drill first came out.

795
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:18,530
Speaker 1: So stop it right there for one minute, right? Look,

796
00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:20,270
Speaker 1: you say you're a fan of hip hop, right? Then

797
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:21,950
Speaker 1: I just asked you earlier, I said, you're a fan

798
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:24,890
Speaker 1: of Dirk, right? You say, yes. So then why would

799
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: you want to see the lyrics make this man go

800
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: to jail? Like you guys, that's why I go trap.

801
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: That's why I go trap. We got to get your

802
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,570
Speaker 1: mind to feel like it's either you a fan, you

803
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:37,010
Speaker 1: with us, or you want to see us go down. No,

804
00:32:37,030 --> 00:32:38,650
Speaker 1: I feel like- You got to pick one a little bit.

805
00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:41,490
Speaker 2: You're making a sweeping generalization because I feel like one,

806
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:45,050
Speaker 2: you know, gangster rap isn't rap in general. This, bear

807
00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:47,390
Speaker 2: in mind, we're talking about a small subsection of rap, okay?

808
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:50,350
Speaker 2: And specifically when we're talking about Dirk, I don't want

809
00:32:50,410 --> 00:32:53,090
Speaker 2: Dirk to be in jail, but look, somebody shot up

810
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:55,050
Speaker 2: a gas station in Beverly Hills with a switch and

811
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:57,190
Speaker 2: someone who died. And the guy that got killed ain't

812
00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:58,490
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with no King Von.

813
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,380
Speaker 3: It was an innocent.

814
00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: Lil' Pab was an innocent man that got killed. Someone

815
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:03,540
Speaker 2: needed to be held account. You can't just shoot off

816
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:04,940
Speaker 2: a machine gun. You can't shoot off a switch in

817
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. I see the footage of that shooting. There's

818
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,050
Speaker 2: just random people at the other gas pumps running for cover.

819
00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:13,750
Speaker 4: It's... You know you're going to go down. If you

820
00:33:13,790 --> 00:33:16,170
Speaker 4: shoot up in Times Square, you're going to go down.

821
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:18,540
Speaker 4: If you shoot by the Beverly Center, you're going to

822
00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:21,300
Speaker 4: go down, bro. If you shoot in front of the

823
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: White House, you're going to go down. That's the way

824
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:26,380
Speaker 4: I see it. Like, yo, you know if you're going

825
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,260
Speaker 4: to do this, you're going down. Now, if you're somewhere

826
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,620
Speaker 4: in the hood by a train station, you might not

827
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: go down. There might not be no cameras. You might

828
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,220
Speaker 4: go down. But if you in Times Square, you do

829
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,790
Speaker 4: some shit, you know you're going down.

830
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:41,610
Speaker 2: That's it.

831
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:42,770
Speaker 3: The crime was crazy.

832
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:45,830
Speaker 2: Because I remember when that came out on the news.

833
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:48,630
Speaker 2: And you've seen that footage of Quando Rondo screaming, no,

834
00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:50,830
Speaker 2: it's horrible. I've seen the uncensored footage of that and

835
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:52,990
Speaker 2: the body cam in court. You know, we've seen Lil

836
00:33:53,010 --> 00:33:53,930
Speaker 2: Pab take his last breath.

837
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:54,650
Speaker 1: It was horrible.

838
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:57,310
Speaker 2: I've seen Lil Pab's mother in court breaking down at

839
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:57,670
Speaker 2: this stuff.

840
00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:59,970
Speaker 1: Condolences to the family. Yeah.

841
00:34:00,110 --> 00:34:00,670
Speaker 3: Rest in peace.

842
00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:04,590
Speaker 2: And, you know, that was meant for Quando, allegedly. And,

843
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:07,230
Speaker 2: you know, two people were convicted and found guilty of

844
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:08,410
Speaker 2: the stalking that resulted in death.

845
00:34:08,969 --> 00:34:10,070
Speaker 3: Dirk beat all of his charges.

846
00:34:10,150 --> 00:34:12,730
Speaker 2: No murder for height... Dirk was clear to those five charges,

847
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:15,810
Speaker 2: but the two guys that were found guilty of that stalking,

848
00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:17,489
Speaker 2: I think there was a small amount of justice. But

849
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:19,450
Speaker 2: it's not a case of I'm just putting all rappers

850
00:34:19,489 --> 00:34:22,830
Speaker 2: and lyricists on trial. I'm talking about a very specific,

851
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:25,989
Speaker 2: a very ultra-violent subset of hip-hop that I've followed since

852
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: it was first founded in 2012. I remember being young,

853
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,580
Speaker 2: driving around the countryside of England, listening to Chief Keef

854
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: when he first dropped Three Hunter, thinking this is some

855
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:36,419
Speaker 2: of the craziest music I've ever heard in my life.

856
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,779
Speaker 2: And I followed Chicago drill music just through all of

857
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:42,290
Speaker 2: these years seeing Dirk go from nothing to being one

858
00:34:42,350 --> 00:34:44,589
Speaker 2: of the biggest rap artists in the whole world. But

859
00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:46,390
Speaker 2: it always blew my mind because I remember when that happened,

860
00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:48,180
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, you really shot up Beverly Hills with

861
00:34:48,219 --> 00:34:50,700
Speaker 2: a machine gun. It was obvious what was going on

862
00:34:50,739 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: with Kondo. Look, people tried to say, oh, it was unrelated.

863
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,509
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I felt like, yo,

864
00:34:57,310 --> 00:34:59,730
Speaker 2: Dirk been rapping about this murder for a couple of years,

865
00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:02,350
Speaker 2: really putting it in people's faces. It was a horrible crime.

866
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:03,210
Speaker 2: They hit the wrong guy.

867
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:06,330
Speaker 1: He's allegedly rapping about the murders. They just rapping. Allegedly.

868
00:35:06,469 --> 00:35:08,569
Speaker 1: He's allegedly rapping about the murders. But look, if you're

869
00:35:08,590 --> 00:35:11,890
Speaker 1: that much of a fan, do you understand where these

870
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: guys come from? How hard they had it growing up?

871
00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: So do you be like, yo, damn, you got to

872
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:17,660
Speaker 1: understand that as well.

873
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,980
Speaker 2: I got the utmost sympathy. And again, I want people

874
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,100
Speaker 2: to understand it. If you watch my long, deep dive

875
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: breakdown documentaries, I really try and give the extra context

876
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,489
Speaker 2: as to why these things are happening, especially when it

877
00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:31,020
Speaker 2: comes to Chicago. There's a lot of documentaries I've done

878
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: where I try and talk about the socioeconomic reasons that

879
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: people are pushed in these situations. One of my favorite

880
00:35:36,219 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: pieces I've done, I did a video about Tay Savage,

881
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,230
Speaker 2: if you know about him. Been through a lot of stuff,

882
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:45,230
Speaker 2: been through some real situations. And in that video, I

883
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:47,650
Speaker 2: talk about where he comes from, Welch World, his block,

884
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:51,180
Speaker 2: and Bronzeville. And basically, I talk about how this area

885
00:35:51,219 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: was like, they call it the Black Metropolis in the

886
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: 50s and 60s. It was like a real hub of

887
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:58,430
Speaker 2: black excellence and black businesses. And then, you know, you

888
00:35:58,469 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: had a lot of communities that had congregated in these

889
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,620
Speaker 2: buildings that the government eventually knocked down and they displaced everybody.

890
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: They ruined the community. You know, they've got things like

891
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: redlining or they got rid of public housing and they

892
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:12,259
Speaker 2: sent people that were all in their own community in

893
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: one building and just spread them all out across Chicago

894
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: amongst rivalries. And that's what caused all these different gangs. And,

895
00:36:17,739 --> 00:36:20,089
Speaker 2: you know, back in the day it was BDs and GDs,

896
00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:21,930
Speaker 2: but way back in the day, these were kind of

897
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:24,950
Speaker 2: almost like community organizations trying to protect the community. But

898
00:36:24,969 --> 00:36:28,020
Speaker 2: it's like, when they spread everybody across all these different areas,

899
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,859
Speaker 2: it led to, you know, just these neighborhood wars where

900
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,299
Speaker 2: people had their area.

901
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,130
Speaker 1: You're trying to survive now. Now you're trying to survive.

902
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:36,250
Speaker 2: No, so I have sympathies for that and I'll try

903
00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:37,870
Speaker 2: and cover that and give the context to that. But

904
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:39,190
Speaker 2: at the same time, I.

905
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:41,469
Speaker 1: Don't feel like- Those don't do the numbers for you. No, no, no.

906
00:36:41,489 --> 00:36:42,550
Speaker 1: That did numbers.

907
00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: That did numbers. Did it do numbers? Yeah, that did numbers.

908
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: See, but I feel like you got to highlight that

909
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:48,100
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Trap, let the people know, like,

910
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,950
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm not just trying to, profit off

911
00:36:50,989 --> 00:36:53,410
Speaker 1: the culture or make it look like I'm trying to

912
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:56,009
Speaker 1: damn near send motherfuckers to jail. Let them know you

913
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:58,020
Speaker 1: with them. Let's get to the root of the problem.

914
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: Highlight that a little bit more.

915
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,380
Speaker 3: You know how I see it? In music, in war,

916
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: There's always money.

917
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: Back in the days when Biggie and Tupac died, Vibe magazine,

918
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 4: Source magazine, everybody monopolized off of Tupac.

919
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: And Biggie beef.

920
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,270
Speaker 4: Now you got NBA Youngboy and Dirk was the same thing.

921
00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:23,250
Speaker 4: Everybody's monopolizing off the beef. We can say what we

922
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:26,870
Speaker 4: want to say, but NBA Youngboy had Lil Timmy on

923
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:33,750
Speaker 4: stage in Atlanta after he killed Vaughn, right? Illegally, on stage,

924
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:36,149
Speaker 4: you think that was one of the biggest tours ever,

925
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:39,509
Speaker 4: made millions of dollars, because everybody bought.

926
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:40,890
Speaker 3: Into the fucking story.

927
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:44,380
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is everything is pretty much out there,

928
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: so every outlet is going to cover that story, because

929
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,739
Speaker 4: we're buying into the story. When Boy got killed in LA,

930
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,420
Speaker 4: niggas are buying into the story. Dirk beat all these cases. Hopefully,

931
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:57,900
Speaker 4: I'm a Dirk fan and I'm an NBA Youngboy fan.

932
00:37:58,060 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: I don't take no sides. So if Dirk beat these cases,

933
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:04,100
Speaker 4: he's going to go on tour and he's going to

934
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,210
Speaker 4: be as big as NBA Youngboy, maybe bigger when he

935
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:12,049
Speaker 4: beats this. Everybody buys into the story. So that's why

936
00:38:12,070 --> 00:38:14,549
Speaker 4: the violence don't really stop when you really think about it.

937
00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:17,469
Speaker 4: Chirac shit, I followed all that. I want to get

938
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:20,259
Speaker 4: into the war at Jacksonville. I followed the young and

939
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:25,190
Speaker 4: ace and foolio shit. I watched all that shit. Sometimes

940
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:27,650
Speaker 4: I try to watch different shows than not watch violent shit.

941
00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,370
Speaker 4: I just watched A Different World on Netflix. Shout to

942
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:31,970
Speaker 4: the mic, because I was a fan of A Different World.

943
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,149
Speaker 3: I never thought I'd.

944
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:36,130
Speaker 4: Watch it, because I'm addicted to Scarface and Goodfellas and

945
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:38,020
Speaker 4: all the gangster shit we.

946
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Grew up on.

947
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,739
Speaker 2: Rob Markman I got to ask you something on that point,

948
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:42,819
Speaker 2: because I agree with everything you just said, but I

949
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: get what you're saying. I do feel like if people

950
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,580
Speaker 2: watch the longer videos that I've done, I try and

951
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,390
Speaker 2: get into socioeconomic reasons that people are pushed to do

952
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: these things. But at the end of the day, let's

953
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,020
Speaker 2: be real. This Dirk situation, when Lil Pab was murdered, allegedly,

954
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,859
Speaker 2: it was alleged that Dirk was involved. He was found

955
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,940
Speaker 2: not guilty. But at this point, he is a multimillionaire

956
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,370
Speaker 2: that allegedly, those allegations, he shouldn't have been involved in

957
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:08,210
Speaker 2: these things. And I get what you're saying when it's

958
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:09,670
Speaker 2: kill or be killed and you're coming up in the

959
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:11,430
Speaker 2: streets of Chicago and the guys around the corner have

960
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:13,700
Speaker 2: killed your uncle and you've killed their cousin and you're

961
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: in a dog eat dog I need to just survive

962
00:39:16,739 --> 00:39:19,460
Speaker 2: and get home. I think that's a different scenario from

963
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: what was alleged was that Dirk was in a $ 35, 000

964
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:27,130
Speaker 2: a month Encino mansion, allegedly organizing chess pieces to have

965
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:29,469
Speaker 2: someone killed because he wasn't happy about something that King

966
00:39:29,489 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: Von did. and how that ended up going wrong. So

967
00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:33,540
Speaker 2: I just feel like I do agree with you, but

968
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,700
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a little bit unfair to try

969
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,259
Speaker 2: and paint... Like Dirk wasn't in No Kill or Be Killed.

970
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't like the baby shooting a guy at Walmart

971
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,900
Speaker 2: to defend himself and his kids. What was alleged that

972
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:47,069
Speaker 2: Dirk did, he was in a position in life where

973
00:39:47,110 --> 00:39:50,049
Speaker 2: he was not supposed to be doing those things. And

974
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:52,230
Speaker 2: obviously he's been found not guilty of five of those charges.

975
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Because he didn't do those things, Trapp.

976
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: So do you think Dirk's like a capper, like a

977
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,219
Speaker 2: cap rapper, like his raps are fake?

978
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,660
Speaker 1: No, I just think he was just making music, making

979
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: good music that people wanted to hear. But for these

980
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: crimes that they tried to charge him with, he was

981
00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:08,890
Speaker 1: not guilty. No, he's not a cap rapper, Trapp. He

982
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:11,129
Speaker 1: was just found not guilty of these crimes that they

983
00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:13,290
Speaker 1: tried to charge him with. He just has some fuck

984
00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:16,029
Speaker 1: boy friends around him, like the O.T. Jeff Jams and the,

985
00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:17,969
Speaker 1: Who have bells to all the rat niggas. He just

986
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:20,819
Speaker 1: had some corny niggas around him. They was just corny.

987
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: And they was just trying to get they self out

988
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: of a situation. So they tried to paint a picture

989
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:28,140
Speaker 1: because a nigga couldn't do three years. Now a nigga

990
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,779
Speaker 1: gotta do life. You know what I mean?

991
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, but it's like, I mean,

992
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: I know you guys are gonna hate this, I don't

993
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,819
Speaker 2: agree with it. I'm not in the streets.

994
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,100
Speaker 1: All right.

995
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:39,140
Speaker 2: So I find it hard to think about playing by

996
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:39,779
Speaker 2: the street rules.

997
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,460
Speaker 1: You try to be in the streets trap. It looked

998
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,420
Speaker 1: like you tried.

999
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:44,629
Speaker 3: I'm not in the streets. The man said he's not

1000
00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:46,270
Speaker 3: in the streets. I'm very sorry.

1001
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:48,549
Speaker 1: He's not in the streets. We know that. So that's

1002
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:49,910
Speaker 1: why we here talking. What you about to say though?

1003
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:51,930
Speaker 2: But what I was going to say is that like, look,

1004
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:53,330
Speaker 2: I know you're going to hate this, but like, I

1005
00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:56,230
Speaker 2: can understand why Jam did what he did. Cause he

1006
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:58,089
Speaker 2: was disgruntled. He got on that stand and he said,

1007
00:40:58,550 --> 00:41:01,049
Speaker 2: I was pissed. Cause I just served 12 years. And

1008
00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:02,870
Speaker 2: Dirk sent me on this dummy mission to kill a

1009
00:41:02,890 --> 00:41:04,910
Speaker 2: guy in Beverly Hills. I didn't know what this... He

1010
00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,790
Speaker 2: didn't know the hit that he was on until he

1011
00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:07,130
Speaker 2: landed there.

1012
00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:09,650
Speaker 1: Dirk just sent that nigga to do nothing. That's what

1013
00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:11,509
Speaker 1: he said. Whatever he did, he did on his own,

1014
00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:14,430
Speaker 1: that dumbass nigga. That's what he said. He did that

1015
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: shit on his own. Yeah, we know what he said,

1016
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: but he's a fuckboy. His word don't mean nothing.

1017
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: Well, Dee Dee and Brown Eyes were convicted of the

1018
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,860
Speaker 2: stalking that resulted in death. So that whole group of

1019
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,890
Speaker 2: guys that went and did that, I mean, it happened.

1020
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:28,489
Speaker 1: It's a real thing.

1021
00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:30,410
Speaker 2: I think I was quite frustrated because I felt like

1022
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:32,410
Speaker 2: during the trial, people was trying to act like Lil

1023
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: Pab didn't exist. I mean, he's a real guy. Rest

1024
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: in peace to Savaya Robinson. Him and his mother deserve justice.

1025
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: His mother ain't no Gangbanger, OTFK.

1026
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,790
Speaker 1: You are really invested.

1027
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:46,470
Speaker 3: He's a civilian. He's telling you he's a civilian.

1028
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:50,050
Speaker 1: Trap is invested. You know how many people deserve justice

1029
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:50,430
Speaker 1: out this?

1030
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:50,990
Speaker 3: Yo, murder.

1031
00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:52,150
Speaker 1: There's more civilians.

1032
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:52,650
Speaker 4: Murder.

1033
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: There's more civilians in the world than gangsters.

1034
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Of course.

1035
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:58,739
Speaker 4: There's a small percentage of gangsters and niggas that's not

1036
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,779
Speaker 4: going to tell or people that's not going to tell

1037
00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:06,570
Speaker 4: than civilians. In the real world, it's probably 70% civilians, 30% gangsters.

1038
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I'd probably say 80%.

1039
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,710
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Let's just be honest. But

1040
00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:12,029
Speaker 3: this is what people want to see.

1041
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:16,550
Speaker 4: The serial killer thing, 10 million views, three years ago.

1042
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 4: Jacksonville War, which I want to talk about next, that

1043
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,580
Speaker 4: did 8 million views. I watched that. This is stuff

1044
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,310
Speaker 4: that I watch. Am I guilty of saying, oh shit. Then,

1045
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,830
Speaker 4: I like this artist. I like Bloodhound Jeff. You heard

1046
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: me play shit. Don't blink and stare. His record with

1047
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,660
Speaker 4: G Herbo. I really listen to the young boys.

1048
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,230
Speaker 3: I like it. Because I know where we come from.

1049
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:40,750
Speaker 3: We made it.

1050
00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:43,310
Speaker 1: I be just trying to understand Trap. Like, you want

1051
00:42:43,330 --> 00:42:46,290
Speaker 1: Dirk to beat these cases, right? Because I almost be

1052
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:47,489
Speaker 1: getting a little sense like you like, man.

1053
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:48,550
Speaker 3: That's a good question.

1054
00:42:48,730 --> 00:42:50,109
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have got off with it. I feel like,

1055
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:52,549
Speaker 1: because we happy. The people are happy that Dirk is

1056
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,430
Speaker 1: getting over this shit. We feel like he had the

1057
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:56,610
Speaker 1: wrong friends around him that did the corny shit. And

1058
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:58,450
Speaker 1: that's why they're in the situation they're in right now.

1059
00:42:58,830 --> 00:43:00,450
Speaker 1: But you come off like a little bit like I'm

1060
00:43:00,489 --> 00:43:03,580
Speaker 1: feeling like Trap. Like, man, Dirk was guilty.

1061
00:43:04,219 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: No, no.

1062
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:06,219
Speaker 2: I never said that. I think a lot of people

1063
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:07,580
Speaker 2: was trying to get me to give a prediction. I

1064
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:09,899
Speaker 2: never said that Dirk's guilty. Dirk's going to. I said

1065
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,780
Speaker 2: that the evidence looks bad. He was having bad days.

1066
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,860
Speaker 2: The evidence, the feds made a very good case as

1067
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,980
Speaker 2: to why he was potentially involved in this. Now, I

1068
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: wanted this case to be concluded because, bro, I want

1069
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:22,060
Speaker 2: to be able to walk around Beverly Hills and not

1070
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: get shot with a machine gun. I think that's very

1071
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:26,899
Speaker 2: reasonable as a non-gangster civilian. I don't want to worry

1072
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,310
Speaker 2: about switches in Beverly Hills. I think that's fair. I

1073
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:31,410
Speaker 2: think this crime did need to be solved. I think

1074
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:34,950
Speaker 2: that's fair. I know you guys are more sympathetic to

1075
00:43:34,969 --> 00:43:37,549
Speaker 2: the streets and the code of honor that somebody from

1076
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:39,210
Speaker 2: that background might want to live.

1077
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:40,610
Speaker 1: It's not just us. You know the police move the

1078
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:43,310
Speaker 1: same way, Trapp? You know the police don't tell on

1079
00:43:43,350 --> 00:43:43,850
Speaker 1: each other, right?

1080
00:43:44,110 --> 00:43:44,690
Speaker 3: I've heard that.

1081
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:46,970
Speaker 1: You know when police do? No, it's a fact. You see,

1082
00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:49,350
Speaker 1: you need to do investigation on that. Like, real talk.

1083
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:52,649
Speaker 1: When the police do bullshit out here, they don't tell

1084
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:55,930
Speaker 1: on each other. They don't snitch on each other. When

1085
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:58,110
Speaker 1: they do bullshit, they just got to hold that. And

1086
00:43:58,170 --> 00:44:00,310
Speaker 1: if they do tell on each other, they damn near

1087
00:44:00,510 --> 00:44:03,069
Speaker 1: out it. They not even looked at the same, like

1088
00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:05,860
Speaker 1: from the whole force, they're out it. So they got

1089
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,660
Speaker 1: to call, they follow. Even when the police, the police

1090
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,540
Speaker 1: break the law, the other police know not to tell

1091
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: on them.

1092
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's that got to do with what we're

1093
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:13,940
Speaker 2: talking about?

1094
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,900
Speaker 1: Because you talking about these crimes and certain shit, you

1095
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: feel like how you look at this and how you

1096
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,419
Speaker 1: look at that, how you look at that. Oh, well,

1097
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,660
Speaker 1: you feel like Dirk did this or because this crime

1098
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:23,549
Speaker 1: is this. No.

1099
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:25,569
Speaker 2: But let's be real. Y'all just like Dirk's music, so

1100
00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:26,730
Speaker 2: you just want him to get away with murder.

1101
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:31,030
Speaker 1: No, that's not the case. The man got... He's not...

1102
00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:32,330
Speaker 1: He got found not guilty, Trapp.

1103
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:34,299
Speaker 2: They couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did

1104
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,939
Speaker 2: this crime, but, like, bro, the guy had been rapping

1105
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,420
Speaker 2: about it for years.

1106
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: He painted a picture that he was involved.

1107
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:38,899
Speaker 1: That's why I asked you, Trapp. I feel like you

1108
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: want this man in jail.

1109
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,500
Speaker 2: I don't want this man in jail. I wanted the

1110
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: crime to be solved. There are two people that were

1111
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,140
Speaker 2: found guilty of this stalking that resulted in death with

1112
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:48,790
Speaker 2: a machine gun. I don't think DD and them should

1113
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:50,710
Speaker 2: be on the streets if they're out here stalking people

1114
00:44:50,730 --> 00:44:52,970
Speaker 2: with switches and Beverly Hills having them killed and innocent

1115
00:44:53,010 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: people running off into the distance. I heard the phone call,

1116
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:57,860
Speaker 2: the 911 call. A woman calls up. She's like, I've

1117
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,380
Speaker 2: just seen someone be shot with a machine gun in

1118
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,980
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. I don't want to be involved. I don't

1119
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: want to give you any information. Even she didn't want

1120
00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: to tell. But you're hearing the normal everyday people that

1121
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: are affected by just three people letting off switches or

1122
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,660
Speaker 2: one switch and two other regular guns. in Beverly Hills.

1123
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:13,890
Speaker 2: I'm not part of the gang. So I wanted that

1124
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: crime to be solved. I didn't want Dirk to be convicted.

1125
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,700
Speaker 2: I didn't like, oh no, I'm so disappointed. Like, that's

1126
00:45:18,739 --> 00:45:21,170
Speaker 2: not how I felt. To be honest, Dirk being found

1127
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:23,229
Speaker 2: not guilty really actually is the best thing to happen

1128
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:25,590
Speaker 2: for me. Because everybody was saying, oh, well, your documentary

1129
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:27,790
Speaker 2: is getting people convicted. Your coverage is going to get

1130
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:29,629
Speaker 2: Dirk convicted. Well, what happened to that? Clearly, I don't

1131
00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:32,029
Speaker 2: have any say. So my documentaries are good to go.

1132
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:33,110
Speaker 2: Because I don't have a say.

1133
00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:35,049
Speaker 1: We wasn't even going to interview you. If he got

1134
00:45:35,090 --> 00:45:37,069
Speaker 1: found guilty, we wasn't going to have you up here. No,

1135
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:38,969
Speaker 1: but it's a fact, though. It's a fact.

1136
00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: But not guilty was good because I probably would have gotten...

1137
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 2: I don't know what would have happened to me, but...

1138
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: But like, you know what I'm saying?

1139
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 4: We gotta stop the self snitching era.

1140
00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Cause like when you.

1141
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,180
Speaker 4: Look at it, when you, we can't, we gotta say

1142
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,060
Speaker 4: that a lot of people self snitching too.

1143
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,819
Speaker 1: That's true. Right.

1144
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:59,820
Speaker 4: So when we look at the Jacksonville war with Fulio,

1145
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,540
Speaker 4: and Young Ace, right? Do we like the beef? Yeah,

1146
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:06,549
Speaker 4: but when you do records like Who I Smoked, and

1147
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:10,469
Speaker 4: like five to eight niggas, eight people, excuse me, eight

1148
00:46:10,510 --> 00:46:13,950
Speaker 4: people is really dead. They family members is hearing that.

1149
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:17,670
Speaker 4: And then Fulio, rest in peace, do I See You,

1150
00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:22,850
Speaker 4: and he's at the funeral, he's at the man graveyard,

1151
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:26,469
Speaker 4: his brother graveyard with the poster laying, when I see you,

1152
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:30,210
Speaker 4: and we talking about These things doing 20 million views,

1153
00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:34,950
Speaker 4: 30 million views, so who's worse, the person that's reporting

1154
00:46:34,969 --> 00:46:37,739
Speaker 4: it or the person that's doing it? Now fast forward,

1155
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: because we could talk about Jacksonville, war, because 30 people

1156
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 4: died in that, Murk, if you watch that. 30 people died, Foolio,

1157
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,109
Speaker 4: rest in pieces, dead, and Ace and Hood is like,

1158
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,230
Speaker 4: he can't even perform in Florida.

1159
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,820
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He can't even perform.

1160
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 4: Is it bad for business that you a real rapper

1161
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 4: and people respect you so-called got bodies? Or is it

1162
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,350
Speaker 4: bad for business? Because he can't even go to Florida.

1163
00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:04,109
Speaker 3: He can't even go to.

1164
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:07,890
Speaker 4: Where he lived at and perform or without police and

1165
00:47:07,969 --> 00:47:10,930
Speaker 4: feds on him because it's all out there.

1166
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: Talk about the Jacksonville War, because that did like, what,

1167
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: 8 million views, I believe?

1168
00:47:16,219 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: Something like that, yeah. I mean, I did a follow-up

1169
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: to it recently that's been, you know, having an impact,

1170
00:47:21,580 --> 00:47:21,980
Speaker 2: I would say.

1171
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:22,470
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1172
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:24,370
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to just make it clear as well.

1173
00:47:24,430 --> 00:47:27,370
Speaker 2: I'm not, like, obsessed with a number. To me, I

1174
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:29,570
Speaker 2: appreciate that a lot of people watch my videos and

1175
00:47:29,590 --> 00:47:31,129
Speaker 2: have a lot of reach, but it's like, you know,

1176
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:33,210
Speaker 2: to me, I feel like impact is so important and

1177
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: really helping change people's perception. I would say that, like,

1178
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,020
Speaker 2: I'm less interested in the numbers on the new Jacksonville

1179
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,540
Speaker 2: video I did. There was a moment, a clip in

1180
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:43,500
Speaker 2: that video that I found that really impacted me. And

1181
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: I felt like a lot of people in the comments

1182
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: really felt something from this moment that I found. And

1183
00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:51,050
Speaker 2: there's a really sad moment where, you know, one of Ace's,

1184
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:55,850
Speaker 2: you know, homies that was with him, he was 23, right?

1185
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:58,090
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know the case, but obviously

1186
00:47:58,170 --> 00:47:59,870
Speaker 2: Ace got shot up on his brother's birthday.

1187
00:47:59,890 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: His brother's birthday in a car. And three people died

1188
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,299
Speaker 3: and he survived.

1189
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: And, you know, there's a really sad clip of 23's

1190
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: son at his gravesite and he's calling out to his

1191
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,739
Speaker 2: father at the grave, calling out, for his daddy. And

1192
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: that really affected me. And I feel like a lot

1193
00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: of people in the comments really felt like, man, things

1194
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: like that made me realize how real this is. It's

1195
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:20,589
Speaker 2: not who I smoke making fun of these guys. That's

1196
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:23,569
Speaker 2: the real human cost. And I feel like covering this

1197
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:26,310
Speaker 2: stuff is so important to show that. And I feel

1198
00:48:26,350 --> 00:48:28,969
Speaker 2: like sometimes people say like, oh, you glorify these kinds

1199
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:30,730
Speaker 2: of things. I really feel like if you watch one

1200
00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:32,110
Speaker 2: of my videos, I think the last thing you're going

1201
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:33,950
Speaker 2: to want to do is be in the streets. If

1202
00:48:33,969 --> 00:48:35,730
Speaker 2: you watch the Lil Jeff video I did all the

1203
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:37,150
Speaker 2: way to the end, I don't think you come away

1204
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:38,290
Speaker 2: from that thinking like, oh, I want to go out

1205
00:48:38,330 --> 00:48:40,180
Speaker 2: like Lil Jeff. You come away from it thinking like, damn,

1206
00:48:40,219 --> 00:48:42,980
Speaker 2: that really is a horrible way to go out, horrible

1207
00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:45,540
Speaker 2: situation to deal with. And just relating it back to

1208
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:48,299
Speaker 2: the Dirk situation, but like grounded it in Jacksonville, I

1209
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,819
Speaker 2: think that the guys in Jacksonville, unfortunately, that Who I

1210
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:55,540
Speaker 2: Smoke thing was massive. But from what I understood, it

1211
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: wasn't quite enough. It didn't change everybody's life and get

1212
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: them out of that situation. Unfortunately for Fulio, he became

1213
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: super famous and he was having success, was probably a millionaire,

1214
00:49:04,739 --> 00:49:06,980
Speaker 2: but he wasn't in the position where he could move

1215
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:09,259
Speaker 2: to a mansion in California, maybe like Dirk was in.

1216
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: Dirk was probably in a much more elevated position than

1217
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,770
Speaker 2: some of the guys dealing with the Jacksonville situation. And

1218
00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:16,580
Speaker 2: Fulio couldn't even go out of his house to buy

1219
00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:18,310
Speaker 2: a vape without getting shot. you know they tried to

1220
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:19,930
Speaker 2: kill him over and over and over again until they

1221
00:49:19,969 --> 00:49:22,509
Speaker 2: got him and you know that's just how serious that

1222
00:49:22,570 --> 00:49:24,830
Speaker 2: situation got where it was like guys could not move

1223
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:28,780
Speaker 2: around because the music had gotten so disrespectful everybody involved

1224
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,779
Speaker 2: had kind of become famous but apart from Ace and

1225
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:33,860
Speaker 2: Fulio it's a lot of those guys weren't getting serious

1226
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,940
Speaker 2: money they weren't really able to like move out of

1227
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: the city and change their lives like a Lil Durk,

1228
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: G Herbo, Chief Keef who have been able to do that.

1229
00:49:41,219 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the saddest things about

1230
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: Jacksonville is it felt like those diss songs, they gave

1231
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:48,959
Speaker 2: those guys an opportunity and a platform to maybe change

1232
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: their lives and go mainstream. But I think unfortunately, a

1233
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,660
Speaker 2: lot of the guys fell back into that cycle and

1234
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:57,270
Speaker 2: ended up basically, you know, not making it out to

1235
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:59,470
Speaker 2: the mainstream. Even Ace, you know, if you see that video,

1236
00:50:00,350 --> 00:50:02,989
Speaker 2: there's multiple clips of Ace, you know, getting pulled over

1237
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:03,569
Speaker 2: on body cam.

1238
00:50:03,610 --> 00:50:04,630
Speaker 3: He can't really move around.

1239
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:05,870
Speaker 2: He's not allowed to have a gun, but he can't

1240
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:08,570
Speaker 2: go outside without a gun. even out of state in Houston.

1241
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:09,630
Speaker 3: They're on him.

1242
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:12,109
Speaker 2: The cops are following him everywhere. So it's a tough

1243
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:13,750
Speaker 2: situation he's in. He can't play shows.

1244
00:50:13,989 --> 00:50:15,300
Speaker 3: How many people died in that war?

1245
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: Oh, man, it's hard to count, but in that second

1246
00:50:19,219 --> 00:50:22,500
Speaker 2: video alone, I covered 33 different murders. And that's over

1247
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,299
Speaker 2: like a six-year period.

1248
00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:27,060
Speaker 4: And now nobody's making music. Now the whole scene is

1249
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:28,700
Speaker 4: kind of pretty much dead out there.

1250
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:31,020
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think having covered a lot of

1251
00:50:31,060 --> 00:50:34,190
Speaker 2: different drill scenes in different cities and countries too, I

1252
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:37,150
Speaker 2: feel like, unfortunately, it is hard for people to break out.

1253
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:38,910
Speaker 2: And again, not to bring it back too much, but like,

1254
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:41,509
Speaker 2: that's why I think I did feel like when Dirk

1255
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:44,390
Speaker 2: was charged with this case, that's why it was disappointing

1256
00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: because he was doing all my life. They were trying

1257
00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:48,940
Speaker 2: to keep me, all this positive stuff. But then it's

1258
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,260
Speaker 2: kind of like, ah, it was disappointing as a fan

1259
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: to feel like, oh man, how are you in this

1260
00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:55,540
Speaker 2: situation when you really, you should be so far removed

1261
00:50:55,580 --> 00:50:58,260
Speaker 2: from it. Conversely, you look at someone like Chief Keefe,

1262
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,210
Speaker 2: Rarely goes back to Chicago.

1263
00:51:00,230 --> 00:51:01,630
Speaker 1: There's a black man in America and they tried to

1264
00:51:01,710 --> 00:51:03,630
Speaker 1: fuck him over, man. He only got two more charges

1265
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:04,290
Speaker 1: to beat, track.

1266
00:51:04,489 --> 00:51:06,710
Speaker 2: But why ain't Chief Keef got no murder for higher charges?

1267
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,670
Speaker 3: Because Chief Keef moved out the hood.

1268
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:10,209
Speaker 1: He moved out the hood because he didn't do that.

1269
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:11,190
Speaker 3: He moved out of Chicago.

1270
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: Dirk don't got no charges, no murder for higher charges either.

1271
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:13,979
Speaker 1: He beat them.

1272
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,700
Speaker 2: No, but what I'm saying is that that's why as

1273
00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: a fan it was disappointing to at least believe for

1274
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: a period of time that Dirk was still involved in

1275
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,460
Speaker 2: these things that were dragging him back. And let's talk

1276
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,020
Speaker 2: about an elephant in the room that nobody ever wants

1277
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,370
Speaker 2: to talk about. Really, King Von was in the wrong

1278
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:28,430
Speaker 2: for what he did that night to Kondo Rondo. Would

1279
00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:28,790
Speaker 2: you not think?

1280
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,700
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what happened then.

1281
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:35,060
Speaker 4: I usually don't like to take sides, but I feel

1282
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,980
Speaker 4: like King Von's team was wrong. Because once you're worth money,

1283
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:43,569
Speaker 4: management or whoever did, your team is supposed to stop you.

1284
00:51:44,090 --> 00:51:45,890
Speaker 4: Your team is supposed to say, no, you can't jump

1285
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:48,070
Speaker 4: out the window here. Or your team is supposed to

1286
00:51:48,110 --> 00:51:51,190
Speaker 4: let you know. Because it ain't where you from, it's

1287
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:54,049
Speaker 4: where you at. So we know Chicago was one of

1288
00:51:54,070 --> 00:51:57,549
Speaker 4: the most dangerous places to survive. But I think sometimes

1289
00:51:57,710 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: with the Von situation, you get so comfortable leaving Chicago

1290
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: that you might think Atlanta or New York or this place,

1291
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: or it could be fucking Cincinnati, St.

1292
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: Louis.

1293
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:12,820
Speaker 3: You could think it's a catwalk when it's real everywhere. Yeah,

1294
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

1295
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's difficult because I feel like really,

1296
00:52:17,739 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know how you guys move, but

1297
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,230
Speaker 2: I would think if you guys were doing a club

1298
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:24,030
Speaker 2: appearance and you had your team or your security or whatever,

1299
00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: and somebody just starts beating you up uncontrollably, pronounced, I

1300
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: don't know what would happen, but you would think that

1301
00:52:29,219 --> 00:52:31,860
Speaker 2: that's not an acceptable situation to be allowed. Vlad has

1302
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: said it a lot of times that when he's with

1303
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,070
Speaker 2: his security, if somebody just starts beating him up, he

1304
00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:39,090
Speaker 2: would expect the threat to be neutralized in a legal fashion.

1305
00:52:39,469 --> 00:52:42,890
Speaker 2: But like Lil Tim, that was a legal killing. That

1306
00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:44,930
Speaker 2: was a self-defense killing. He was never charged with murder.

1307
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,750
Speaker 2: It was weird to see in court, Dirk's lawyers keep

1308
00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:50,210
Speaker 2: saying King Von was murdered when, you know, by the

1309
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:52,050
Speaker 2: legal definition, it was a self-defense killing.

1310
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:53,590
Speaker 3: He was defending.

1311
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:56,549
Speaker 2: he was defending his people and other guys there that

1312
00:52:56,570 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: were with von had guns but i just want to

1313
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,739
Speaker 2: say that it's like i just find it it's disappointing

1314
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,900
Speaker 2: the position that dirk was in to king von was

1315
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: really putting out very bad energy you know he sucker

1316
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:11,339
Speaker 2: punched quando rondo it created this horrible situation other people

1317
00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: got killed that night and you know other people have

1318
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:16,690
Speaker 2: been killed since then dirk's been found not guilty but

1319
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:19,750
Speaker 2: obviously you know dd one of the top otf members

1320
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:20,730
Speaker 2: was found guilty.

1321
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:23,310
Speaker 1: Of the killing found not guilty right right I mean, yeah.

1322
00:53:23,489 --> 00:53:26,270
Speaker 1: I just got to make sure. Because sometimes when you

1323
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:28,250
Speaker 1: say Dirk's found, I got to make sure you're happy

1324
00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:29,230
Speaker 1: he's found not guilty.

1325
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:31,509
Speaker 2: No, but I'm happy the case was resolved and that

1326
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:32,189
Speaker 2: we got to the truth.

1327
00:53:32,469 --> 00:53:33,189
Speaker 1: Okay.

1328
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:36,150
Speaker 2: That's how I feel, honestly. I feel like you can't

1329
00:53:36,190 --> 00:53:37,859
Speaker 2: let off machine guns in Beverly Hills, bro.

1330
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:41,980
Speaker 1: And Dirk didn't have no knowledge of the shit. See that? See,

1331
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,419
Speaker 1: there you go. There you go right there, Trapp.

1332
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,060
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can say that, though. I

1333
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,340
Speaker 2: don't know if you can say that Dirk had no

1334
00:53:46,380 --> 00:53:49,089
Speaker 2: knowledge of it. And you can say that it wasn't

1335
00:53:49,150 --> 00:53:50,569
Speaker 2: proven beyond a reasonable doubt that.

1336
00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:52,729
Speaker 3: He did the murder for hire, but he- I think,

1337
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:55,049
Speaker 3: you know what I think? This is what I can

1338
00:53:55,070 --> 00:53:56,890
Speaker 3: tell both of y'all. This is what.

1339
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:58,589
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the trap.

1340
00:53:58,770 --> 00:54:00,950
Speaker 3: Just keep it real. We know what does numbers.

1341
00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:04,210
Speaker 4: If you talk about something positive, I can have a

1342
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:06,609
Speaker 4: guy come up here and talk about six brands, right?

1343
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:09,669
Speaker 4: He can have a deal with the Knicks, the Yankees, this, that,

1344
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:12,540
Speaker 4: and they want to hear some violent shit. Because at

1345
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:15,340
Speaker 4: the end of the day, when I go to Chicago,

1346
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:16,700
Speaker 4: I stay at the Waldorf.

1347
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: I'm eating creme brulee. You know what I'm saying?

1348
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: But you got tourists that are crazy, and some of

1349
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,819
Speaker 4: them are white, some of them are Caucasian. They want

1350
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,660
Speaker 4: to go to O-Block. They kicking guys out of O-Block.

1351
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,140
Speaker 4: I seen Neon go to O-Block.

1352
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:31,250
Speaker 1: O-Block?

1353
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:32,850
Speaker 3: What do I want to go there for?

1354
00:54:33,590 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: So I think it's all about people, places, and things,

1355
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,340
Speaker 4: and just a way of thinking when it comes in

1356
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,819
Speaker 4: the audience. Like I said, the Jacksonville shit, they brought

1357
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 4: that up. Who I smoke, I listen to that. When

1358
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,980
Speaker 4: I see you, I watch that video too. I can't be,

1359
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 4: I'm guilty of it too.

1360
00:54:49,739 --> 00:54:53,540
Speaker 3: I'm not perfect. Bloodhound Lil Jeff, I bought into that too.

1361
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, What made you want to start covering the

1362
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,259
Speaker 1: drill and things of that nature? What made you want

1363
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: to start covering these stories like that? Man.

1364
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: So I've been doing YouTube like 10 years, right? And

1365
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,790
Speaker 2: I did a lot of different type of videos. When

1366
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:07,730
Speaker 2: I started YouTube, I've been a hip hop fan my

1367
00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:10,790
Speaker 2: entire life since I was five or six, first listening

1368
00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:13,029
Speaker 2: to music. I had two older brothers that one of

1369
00:55:13,070 --> 00:55:14,950
Speaker 2: them made beats, one of them wanted to rap, just

1370
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:17,509
Speaker 2: having a little bit of fun. And I would just

1371
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:20,230
Speaker 2: steal their CDs and their records and their tapes. And

1372
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:22,130
Speaker 2: I just loved hip hop growing up. It was just

1373
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:24,509
Speaker 2: always my passion. I was like the odd one out

1374
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:26,170
Speaker 2: in school. Not too many people were into hip hop.

1375
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:28,110
Speaker 2: I had like one homie, Freddie, who was like the

1376
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:30,490
Speaker 2: other hip hop head. And we were just share music

1377
00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:32,850
Speaker 2: and go to shows and stuff. But when I started

1378
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:34,750
Speaker 2: doing YouTube, I used to do lots of different things.

1379
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:37,170
Speaker 2: I did like comedy skits. I would do reaction videos.

1380
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:39,370
Speaker 2: Like I'd react to a lot of like UK rap videos, like,

1381
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:43,770
Speaker 2: you know, Skepta from the UK, one of the goats

1382
00:55:43,810 --> 00:55:45,270
Speaker 2: of the UK, you know, I would react to his

1383
00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 2: music videos on YouTube. None of this ever got any traction.

1384
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: I wasn't getting any views or any followers, but it

1385
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: was just for fun. I just was interested in it

1386
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:54,380
Speaker 2: and I would do it. Now, the first video I

1387
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:56,819
Speaker 2: did that just took off completely organically out of the blue.

1388
00:55:57,219 --> 00:55:58,330
Speaker 2: You know, a friend of mine said, oh, you should

1389
00:55:58,350 --> 00:56:00,190
Speaker 2: do like a story breakdown of like some of the

1390
00:56:00,210 --> 00:56:01,730
Speaker 2: hip hop stories you'd be talking about. And I was

1391
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:03,150
Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know if people are going

1392
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:03,569
Speaker 2: to be into that.

1393
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:04,190
Speaker 3: Let me try that out.

1394
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:07,069
Speaker 2: And then the first one I did was about when

1395
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: Jay-Z shot his brother when he was 12. If you

1396
00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:09,910
Speaker 2: know that story.

1397
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:11,540
Speaker 1: So he rapped about it.

1398
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: He rapped about it. And, you know, there's different biographies

1399
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: where people have broken it down. And allegedly his brother

1400
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: was a crackhead and was stealing from the family. And

1401
00:56:18,739 --> 00:56:23,050
Speaker 2: then age 12, Jay-Z allegedly, you know, straighten the situation

1402
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:24,029
Speaker 2: out or whatever it was.

1403
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:25,690
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of lyrics.

1404
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:26,989
Speaker 1: You just heard the story and ran with it, right?

1405
00:56:27,010 --> 00:56:27,669
Speaker 1: I put my verse.

1406
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:29,350
Speaker 3: Well, there's lyrics and biographies.

1407
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:30,450
Speaker 1: Of course, of course.

1408
00:56:30,489 --> 00:56:32,650
Speaker 2: He's touched on it. But like, it's like one of

1409
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:36,549
Speaker 2: those legendary stories. And that video just took off. It

1410
00:56:36,590 --> 00:56:39,779
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily about gangs, but it was like a hip

1411
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,020
Speaker 2: hop crime, urban legend, kind of like, oh, dude, you

1412
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,060
Speaker 2: know this. And then from there, I started covering all

1413
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: different types of things. So one of the first things

1414
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,020
Speaker 2: I did, I was more interested actually in the UK

1415
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: drill scene. gangster stuff that was going on. And again,

1416
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people say, oh, you don't do anything

1417
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:54,660
Speaker 2: about UK. Like one of my third or fourth videos

1418
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: I ever did on hip hop history kind of thing

1419
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: was like a dictionary of UK drill.

1420
00:56:59,100 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: Cause we have all these.

1421
00:56:59,739 --> 00:57:03,460
Speaker 2: Like weird words for like guns or skangs and whaps

1422
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:06,260
Speaker 2: and dots. And like, we have all these different words

1423
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:09,700
Speaker 2: of talking about our gang activity. And a lot of

1424
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 2: the UK rappers would use this very like colorful language

1425
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: to describe what was going on in the streets. And

1426
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: not a lot of people understood this was like early

1427
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,689
Speaker 2: days of UK drill, like 2019. So I did that video.

1428
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:21,790
Speaker 2: It wasn't particularly popular, but I was just passionate about

1429
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:23,650
Speaker 2: it because all the gangster rappers in my area, where

1430
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:26,850
Speaker 2: I was living in South London, there was murders going on.

1431
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,250
Speaker 2: I would see streets getting taped off and I would

1432
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:31,670
Speaker 2: hear about these drill songs. There was a rapper in

1433
00:57:31,690 --> 00:57:34,090
Speaker 2: the area called Incognito who beat a murder case and

1434
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:35,900
Speaker 2: then he ended up getting killed a few streets away

1435
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,260
Speaker 2: from where I lived. So I was following that, but

1436
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,340
Speaker 2: I was also super interested in American rap.

1437
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,820
Speaker 3: So I did a video about how.

1438
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: Gucci Mane caught a murder case and ended up beating

1439
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,610
Speaker 2: it on self-defense with the whole background with the beef

1440
00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:51,230
Speaker 2: with Jeezy. But it wasn't just crime and gangster rap.

1441
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:53,610
Speaker 2: I did a video about how Frank Ocean, you know,

1442
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:55,830
Speaker 2: did a $ 20 million deal with Def Jam and ended

1443
00:57:55,870 --> 00:57:58,410
Speaker 2: up finessing them and dropping like a fake album and

1444
00:57:58,430 --> 00:58:01,410
Speaker 2: then a real album afterwards. You know, I did a lot.

1445
00:58:01,490 --> 00:58:03,380
Speaker 2: I did the Rick Ross 50 Cent Beef. That was

1446
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,460
Speaker 2: one of my big early viral videos of like 50 taking.

1447
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: Shout out to 50. Shout out to 50, man. Come on,

1448
00:58:08,660 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: the legend.

1449
00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: Like when he was taking Rick Ross's baby mom shopping.

1450
00:58:11,460 --> 00:58:12,740
Speaker 3: And all that kind of stuff.

1451
00:58:12,860 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: Legendary.

1452
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: So at the time, there weren't many people doing full

1453
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: breakdowns of that. But I remember being, being younger, watching

1454
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:20,700
Speaker 2: all that on like, was it this is 50.com and

1455
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,940
Speaker 2: shit like following that and be like, yo, like what's

1456
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:25,740
Speaker 2: 50 done to Rick today. This is crazy. But actually

1457
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:28,060
Speaker 2: like remembering those stories and breaking them down. And that

1458
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,100
Speaker 2: was probably one of my first like real viral videos

1459
00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:32,670
Speaker 2: that hit a few hundred K cause people liked how

1460
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:34,650
Speaker 2: I broke it down and I had the jokes and, um,

1461
00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:37,690
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing. But you know, the, one

1462
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:39,670
Speaker 2: of the street stories that did really well was when

1463
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:43,730
Speaker 2: I did the baby self-defense shooting in Walmart. And that

1464
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:48,140
Speaker 2: was crazy. Cause it was like, again, It was alleged, right?

1465
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:51,260
Speaker 2: But it was like, you know, he did a, like

1466
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: an Instagram story afterwards. And then he did the Vlad interview.

1467
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:55,860
Speaker 2: And then he kind of, as time went on, you know,

1468
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,710
Speaker 2: he beat the case officially and he opened up about it.

1469
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,500
Speaker 2: So by the time I could cover it, he, you

1470
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,190
Speaker 2: could piece together the whole story. And at the time

1471
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:04,790
Speaker 2: DaBaby was really on the rise. I was a huge

1472
00:59:04,810 --> 00:59:06,990
Speaker 2: fan of DaBaby's music. I don't cover people unless I'm

1473
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:09,970
Speaker 2: genuinely into the music, you know, it's, I have to

1474
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,460
Speaker 2: genuinely be into the music. So like, I was always

1475
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: a fan of Chief Keef and Dirk. And when Von

1476
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:17,970
Speaker 2: started making noise in like 2019, 2020, like I was

1477
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:20,010
Speaker 2: a fan of his. So I did a full, I

1478
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:23,130
Speaker 2: actually did three King Von videos back to back that

1479
00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:25,830
Speaker 2: were really popular. And obviously then I got into it

1480
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:28,130
Speaker 2: with his team and they did a copyright strike and

1481
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:29,660
Speaker 2: wanted to take my channel down. And then we ended

1482
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:30,850
Speaker 2: up Working it out.

1483
00:59:31,290 --> 00:59:32,310
Speaker 1: Took the video down, man.

1484
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:35,410
Speaker 2: So here's what happened, right? I dropped three King Von

1485
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:37,630
Speaker 2: videos back to back, all right? And it was like,

1486
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:41,210
Speaker 2: to be honest, it was probably like two positive ones

1487
00:59:41,250 --> 00:59:42,630
Speaker 2: and one negative one. Because at the time I was

1488
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:43,350
Speaker 2: obsessed with King Von.

1489
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:44,570
Speaker 3: Two positive, one negative.

1490
00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: You said you was obsessed with King Von.

1491
00:59:45,810 --> 00:59:47,390
Speaker 2: At the time I was obsessed with King Von. And

1492
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:48,930
Speaker 2: people have said that, someone said, I can't remember who

1493
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:50,610
Speaker 2: it was, but someone brought me on a pod. I

1494
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:51,750
Speaker 2: felt like they were trying to catch me out. And

1495
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:53,370
Speaker 2: they were like, would you say you're obsessed with King Von?

1496
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:55,390
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, for sure.

1497
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: Like, I know everything.

1498
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,020
Speaker 2: I'll tell you everything about King Von. So at the

1499
00:59:59,060 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: time when I'm first discovering this, I'm like.

1500
01:00:00,460 --> 01:00:01,900
Speaker 1: This is crazy. This is the crap.

1501
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: This guy really talking about, he got seven bodies and

1502
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,420
Speaker 2: he really doing this and he's shooting everybody, including the

1503
01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: blanks in here.

1504
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,940
Speaker 1: So you was obsessed with the balance.

1505
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,980
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with the persona. I was obsessed with

1506
01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:14,340
Speaker 2: like this guy, the same way. It's like when I

1507
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:16,130
Speaker 2: found it, when you hear the story of like 50 cent,

1508
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:17,470
Speaker 2: he got shot nine times and he came back and

1509
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:20,970
Speaker 2: he went diamond. And he, he, you know, I mean, shit,

1510
01:00:21,010 --> 01:00:22,390
Speaker 2: we want to talk about it. Like if you don't

1511
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:23,590
Speaker 2: like what I do, what do you think of what

1512
01:00:23,590 --> 01:00:25,810
Speaker 2: 50 did when he dropped ghetto Quran? Like, He was

1513
01:00:25,870 --> 01:00:27,610
Speaker 2: talking about the stuff that was going on in the

1514
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:31,050
Speaker 2: neighborhood and kind of letting people, not telling, but he

1515
01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: was like kind of paying homage to the street stuff

1516
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: that was going on in his era. And I feel

1517
01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: like everybody respects that, right?

1518
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:40,030
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about, you could talk about Tupac when

1519
01:00:40,050 --> 01:00:43,010
Speaker 4: you talked about- Even the guys that he was talking

1520
01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:45,140
Speaker 4: about in the song respected it.

1521
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:46,700
Speaker 1: They respected it.

1522
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 4: But if we rewind, we could talk about when Pac

1523
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:53,100
Speaker 4: dropped Machiavelli and he talked about Jag and Henchmen in

1524
01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:55,690
Speaker 4: them and we was buying into it because we know

1525
01:00:55,710 --> 01:00:57,470
Speaker 4: this was real street shit going on.

1526
01:00:57,830 --> 01:01:01,470
Speaker 3: People buying into the street shit. And that's what they

1527
01:01:01,510 --> 01:01:02,150
Speaker 3: want to watch.

1528
01:01:02,310 --> 01:01:05,890
Speaker 4: And sometimes it turns out good, sometimes it turns out bad,

1529
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 4: from what I see.

1530
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: What you think about the MO3 trial with Yellow Beezy?

1531
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, I just was getting a little update on, obviously,

1532
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:16,340
Speaker 2: Keywon White, the alleged shooter, just been found guilty. Rob Markman, Jr.

1533
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:17,500
Speaker 3: Is he working with the prosecutor now?

1534
01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:19,220
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah, you're calling the.

1535
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:21,380
Speaker 3: Dirty drawers killer. Rob Markman, Jr.: The dirty drawers killer

1536
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: is crazy.

1537
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1538
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:24,100
Speaker 3: The cops don't catch you by saying.

1539
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,820
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: We're not laughing about the situation though.

1540
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1541
01:01:26,260 --> 01:01:28,060
Speaker 3: We ain't laughing about the situation at all, but you

1542
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 3: wear the same drawers for three days. It's kind of crazy.

1543
01:01:29,940 --> 01:01:30,340
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1544
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: That's who you got to be scared of, man.

1545
01:01:31,340 --> 01:01:32,500
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah. Rob Markman, Jr.

1546
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: That's who you got to be scared of. You got

1547
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:33,860
Speaker 2: nothing to lose.

1548
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:34,270
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.

1549
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got nothing to lose. He ain't even showered.

1550
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:36,930
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: I think he just said he shot

1551
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:37,570
Speaker 1: Bootsy or some shit.

1552
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:38,370
Speaker 3: Rob Markman, Jr.

1553
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:40,730
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, yeah. Rob Markman, Jr.: I see him

1554
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:41,390
Speaker 1: and Bootsy.

1555
01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:43,970
Speaker 2: Was going back and man so i did a documentary

1556
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:46,730
Speaker 2: on that pretty early on before it was really known

1557
01:01:46,830 --> 01:01:49,470
Speaker 2: who was involved in that kind of thing um and

1558
01:01:49,530 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: obviously really what i got from that you know a

1559
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,860
Speaker 2: shout out to rainwater who i've met a couple of

1560
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: times um most three was just such a great talent

1561
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: but he was unfortunately a real menace out there in

1562
01:01:58,580 --> 01:02:00,020
Speaker 2: dallas he was causing a lot of problems he was

1563
01:02:00,060 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: turning up to what was he turned there's a video

1564
01:02:02,180 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: where he went on ig live and he like turned

1565
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,500
Speaker 2: up to yellow beezy's office with ar talking about like

1566
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:08,670
Speaker 2: yo like i'm outside what's going on like He was

1567
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:10,890
Speaker 2: doing crazy stuff. And, you know, allegedly it came out later.

1568
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: I covered it in the documentary because, again, he hinted

1569
01:02:13,780 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: at it that he allegedly was the one that shot

1570
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: up Yella Beezy's G-Wagon on the highway and ran him

1571
01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: off the road.

1572
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: He nearly died. Fortunately, he survived.

1573
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,660
Speaker 2: I think Yella Beezy is a great artist. I think

1574
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,230
Speaker 2: that Mo3 was such a great talent. He could sing.

1575
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:28,290
Speaker 2: He could do the melodies as well as the rap.

1576
01:02:28,610 --> 01:02:30,610
Speaker 2: So he was it was so sad that he was

1577
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:32,930
Speaker 2: taken before his time. But I also think he was

1578
01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:35,990
Speaker 2: doing a little bit too much. He was being very,

1579
01:02:36,030 --> 01:02:38,050
Speaker 2: very aggressive with it. But then at the same time, now,

1580
01:02:38,090 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: you know, you're looking at Yella Beezy's being charged with

1581
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,540
Speaker 2: murder for hire. And I don't know what's going to

1582
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: happen with that, obviously.

1583
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:46,900
Speaker 3: Is this kid flipping now? Because I know at first

1584
01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: he wasn't telling.

1585
01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:50,060
Speaker 2: He's claiming he's not. He's claiming he's not telling that

1586
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,340
Speaker 2: he did that all by himself. But, I mean, damn near,

1587
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: he's doing interviews damn near like right now. I see

1588
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:56,740
Speaker 2: he did a, I think it was Cam Capone or

1589
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: someone else.

1590
01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: He did an interview.

1591
01:02:57,860 --> 01:02:59,980
Speaker 3: Here we go. Right after. Killers doing interviews.

1592
01:03:00,020 --> 01:03:01,140
Speaker 1: You gotta eat.

1593
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,100
Speaker 2: But I think the thing with him is it's like,

1594
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:08,100
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's talking about how he shot

1595
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,050
Speaker 2: Boosie and he said, you know, Boosie was there for

1596
01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:11,930
Speaker 2: a vigil for Mo3 and then he went to the,

1597
01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:14,130
Speaker 2: it was like, I think it's called Big T's. It

1598
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:16,210
Speaker 2: was like a famous spot in Dallas, like a famous

1599
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:17,110
Speaker 2: marketplace in Dallas.

1600
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:18,350
Speaker 3: Rest in peace to Mo3.

1601
01:03:18,590 --> 01:03:20,750
Speaker 2: Yeah, rest in peace to Mo3. And then, you know,

1602
01:03:20,770 --> 01:03:24,180
Speaker 2: it was just, That Ki-Won guy had gone up to

1603
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,300
Speaker 2: Boosie on some clout chasing, like, oh yeah, let me

1604
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,940
Speaker 2: play you my music, and Boosie weren't trying to hear it,

1605
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:30,510
Speaker 2: and then he shot up Boosie's car, like, dude's just

1606
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:32,630
Speaker 2: a loose cannon out here, you know, I mean, someone

1607
01:03:32,650 --> 01:03:36,330
Speaker 2: like that, again, look, people think I'm the police, but like,

1608
01:03:36,550 --> 01:03:38,169
Speaker 2: that guy Ki-Won at Kill Mode 3, bro, he shouldn't

1609
01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:39,820
Speaker 2: be out here in the streets, he trying to play

1610
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,020
Speaker 2: Boosie his music, and then he's shooting Boosie in the leg.

1611
01:03:42,690 --> 01:03:44,770
Speaker 2: leaning out the Audi, shooting up the car, like, bro,

1612
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:46,670
Speaker 2: that guy should be in prison. I'm sorry. Like, you know,

1613
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:47,830
Speaker 2: that guy needs to be away from me.

1614
01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:50,390
Speaker 3: He's a civilian, Murray. I don't want to run into him.

1615
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:51,510
Speaker 3: He's a civilian.

1616
01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:53,790
Speaker 2: You know, but we come at it from different points

1617
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:55,930
Speaker 2: of view. I understand a lot of people, maybe they

1618
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:57,250
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, that should be handled in the

1619
01:03:57,290 --> 01:04:00,370
Speaker 2: streets or whatever. But like for me, if someone comes

1620
01:04:00,410 --> 01:04:01,490
Speaker 2: up to me and says, I want to play you

1621
01:04:01,510 --> 01:04:02,830
Speaker 2: my music and I'm not interested and they shoot me

1622
01:04:02,850 --> 01:04:04,730
Speaker 2: in the leg, bro, I put them in jail for

1623
01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:05,310
Speaker 2: a long time.

1624
01:04:05,350 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: Keep them away from me.

1625
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,580
Speaker 1: We understand that a civilian's supposed to feel that way.

1626
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:09,940
Speaker 2: But is that not reasonable?

1627
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: But then we'll go, why a civilian is putting himself

1628
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: so much in the culture then? Who, me? The U.S.A.

1629
01:04:15,260 --> 01:04:18,300
Speaker 1: Why is he putting himself so much in the culture?

1630
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,850
Speaker 3: He loves it and he's eating off it. I forget

1631
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:21,570
Speaker 3: they're eating, right?

1632
01:04:21,790 --> 01:04:23,170
Speaker 2: This is a question I've always got.

1633
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:25,070
Speaker 1: You can't forget to eat and you're eating off it, right?

1634
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:26,490
Speaker 2: That's not why I do it though. That's not what

1635
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,810
Speaker 2: motivates me. I'm genuinely coming at this from a passionate

1636
01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:33,970
Speaker 2: point of view. What do you feel like I shouldn't

1637
01:04:34,030 --> 01:04:36,910
Speaker 2: have an opinion about the streets because I'm not from

1638
01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:37,310
Speaker 2: the streets?

1639
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:38,670
Speaker 1: No, never said that.

1640
01:04:38,910 --> 01:04:40,470
Speaker 2: No, but do you feel like that's how people kind of,

1641
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:42,710
Speaker 2: because I feel like that's how people do me. And

1642
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:45,590
Speaker 2: I really just feel like, I feel like it's important

1643
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:48,690
Speaker 2: for a civilian, for a nerd, for an outsider to

1644
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:50,750
Speaker 2: have an opinion on the Dirk case. Because if I

1645
01:04:50,770 --> 01:04:52,430
Speaker 2: wasn't the only one having my opinion on the Dirk

1646
01:04:52,450 --> 01:04:54,830
Speaker 2: case saying, hey, look, maybe you shouldn't shoot machine guns

1647
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:57,710
Speaker 2: and switches in Beverly Hills. What would we have otherwise?

1648
01:04:57,830 --> 01:04:59,550
Speaker 2: Everyone just bigging up Dirk saying this is the best

1649
01:04:59,590 --> 01:04:59,830
Speaker 2: thing ever.

1650
01:04:59,850 --> 01:05:01,590
Speaker 3: Like this is what we should do. I don't know,

1651
01:05:01,610 --> 01:05:02,770
Speaker 3: I just find it difficult to say.

1652
01:05:02,790 --> 01:05:04,210
Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: No, we don't want to see Machine

1653
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:06,150
Speaker 1: Guns being shot at Beverly Hills. We don't want to

1654
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:08,130
Speaker 1: see it being shot nowhere. We don't want to see

1655
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:11,430
Speaker 1: him being shot in the ghetto or none of that shit.

1656
01:05:11,810 --> 01:05:14,230
Speaker 1: We don't want the hood getting shot up. It don't

1657
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:16,910
Speaker 1: got to be Beverly Hills. We don't want nowhere getting

1658
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:19,250
Speaker 1: shot up. But when you say sometimes when you say

1659
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:20,810
Speaker 1: you're a fan, that's why I ask you, are you

1660
01:05:20,850 --> 01:05:23,070
Speaker 1: a fan of Dirk? Do you want to see Dirk

1661
01:05:23,610 --> 01:05:25,450
Speaker 1: beat this case? Do you want to see this man?

1662
01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:28,180
Speaker 1: get home to his wife and his kids and back

1663
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,940
Speaker 1: to his family and provide for those that need him.

1664
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,820
Speaker 1: Because sometimes it could come off as you don't. Sometimes

1665
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:36,620
Speaker 1: it could come off like, damn, it's looking like Trap

1666
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,270
Speaker 1: Lord Ross want Dirk to go down, man. But then

1667
01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:40,910
Speaker 1: you saying like, yo, I'm a fan of hip hop.

1668
01:05:40,990 --> 01:05:42,990
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm a fan. But sometimes, you know,

1669
01:05:43,030 --> 01:05:45,450
Speaker 1: it could come off as it's looking like you want

1670
01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:46,090
Speaker 1: his demise.

1671
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:47,790
Speaker 2: But just because I'm a fan of his music and

1672
01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:49,350
Speaker 2: I think he's a talented music, what he should just

1673
01:05:49,370 --> 01:05:50,350
Speaker 2: be able to do whatever he wants.

1674
01:05:50,770 --> 01:05:51,930
Speaker 1: No, nobody says.

1675
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 3: Okay, put it this way. DD, he was a rapper.

1676
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:56,190
Speaker 3: He had songs. He had Block His Heart. He had

1677
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:56,850
Speaker 3: some good moments.

1678
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:59,690
Speaker 2: He's been found guilty of the stalking that resulted in

1679
01:05:59,710 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: the death of Saviah Robinson with a machine gun, machine

1680
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,930
Speaker 2: gun fire in Beverly Hills. I don't think he should

1681
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: be at home feeding his family. He's been found guilty

1682
01:06:07,980 --> 01:06:11,340
Speaker 2: of this horrible crime, flew from Chicago to LA to

1683
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,340
Speaker 2: assist in a whole group of people letting machine guns

1684
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:17,370
Speaker 2: off in Beverly Hills. I don't care about him wanting

1685
01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:19,030
Speaker 2: to feed his... Bro, you need to be off the.

1686
01:06:18,990 --> 01:06:20,590
Speaker 1: Streets, bro. You can't be organizing machine guns. His family

1687
01:06:20,610 --> 01:06:21,290
Speaker 1: still need to be taken care of.

1688
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he should have.

1689
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: His family still need to be taken care of.

1690
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,820
Speaker 2: But that's his responsibility to not get in that situation. Like,

1691
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:30,020
Speaker 2: I feel like the thing that's missing with the Dirk situation...

1692
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: I respect Dirk. I think his music's great. But if

1693
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,780
Speaker 2: he was found guilty of those crimes, it's not my

1694
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,460
Speaker 2: problem that, like, oh, his family's not going to be

1695
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: able to eat. Like, he should have thought of that

1696
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 2: before he got into this situation. I mean, he was

1697
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:41,010
Speaker 2: found not guilty. But let's say Didi, for example.

1698
01:06:41,030 --> 01:06:41,870
Speaker 1: Like, you know.

1699
01:06:43,180 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: Didi can't play the victim and be like, oh, why

1700
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,340
Speaker 2: I can't feed my family. You don't have the right

1701
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:48,950
Speaker 2: to feed your family if you're out here doing things

1702
01:06:48,970 --> 01:06:50,890
Speaker 2: that will make it hard for you to feed your family.

1703
01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:52,150
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Of course.

1704
01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,590
Speaker 2: So like, I just feel like a lot of people

1705
01:06:55,610 --> 01:06:59,330
Speaker 2: are hypnotized by Dirk's fame. And they just feel like,

1706
01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:00,750
Speaker 2: forget anything he ever did.

1707
01:07:01,290 --> 01:07:03,910
Speaker 1: You hypnotized. You were just over here saying you obsessed

1708
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:07,830
Speaker 1: with Von and Dirk. So you hypnotized as well.

1709
01:07:08,210 --> 01:07:09,570
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd say that. I just feel

1710
01:07:09,590 --> 01:07:11,350
Speaker 2: like I'm obsessed with the case and I'm obsessed with

1711
01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:13,050
Speaker 2: the history and I'm obsessed with the art history. But

1712
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: it's like, you got people that basically feel like, because

1713
01:07:15,340 --> 01:07:16,740
Speaker 2: Dirk makes good music, he can do no wrong.

1714
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,620
Speaker 1: No, but you feel like everything he's saying in the

1715
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: music is true. And sometimes you got to just respect

1716
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: the art form.

1717
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: I believe him. I don't think he's a cat rapper.

1718
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:27,410
Speaker 3: Trap, let me ask you a question. I don't believe

1719
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:27,950
Speaker 3: he's a cat rapper.

1720
01:07:28,070 --> 01:07:29,890
Speaker 1: I think he's the realest. I don't think he's a

1721
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:32,090
Speaker 1: cat rapper either, but I don't believe what they trying

1722
01:07:32,130 --> 01:07:33,820
Speaker 1: to say. The music is proven.

1723
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,100
Speaker 3: Yo, Trap, let me ask you a question.

1724
01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:41,180
Speaker 4: You feel like you being from London and you being

1725
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,300
Speaker 4: a Caucasian man and being a pillar in the culture,

1726
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,490
Speaker 4: because everybody watches you, you do millions of views. Of course,

1727
01:07:48,510 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 4: you being modest, it's not about the numbers. Well, we

1728
01:07:51,140 --> 01:07:54,590
Speaker 4: all know what's about the numbers with YouTube, right? Because

1729
01:07:54,650 --> 01:07:56,470
Speaker 4: if I see you got 10 million views, I'm going

1730
01:07:56,490 --> 01:07:57,110
Speaker 4: to click on that.

1731
01:07:57,150 --> 01:07:58,890
Speaker 3: If I see you got 5 million views, I'm going.

1732
01:07:58,830 --> 01:07:59,970
Speaker 1: To click on that. Better believe it.

1733
01:07:59,970 --> 01:08:02,210
Speaker 3: Do you feel like people give you more flack because

1734
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:05,590
Speaker 3: you put the work in and worked hard for what

1735
01:08:05,630 --> 01:08:09,110
Speaker 3: you built with your empire? Do you feel like that?

1736
01:08:09,220 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I think people make assumptions because

1737
01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: of the way I look or where I'm from. I

1738
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,340
Speaker 2: would say that, look, I understand. I appreciate it. I

1739
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: don't pretend to be from the streets. I don't act

1740
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: like I'm from Chicago or that I'm from... I don't know,

1741
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: the Bronx or Compton or any of that stuff. I'm just,

1742
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: I am what I am. I'm a nerd that grew

1743
01:08:26,380 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: up listening to hip hop. My older brothers got me

1744
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,790
Speaker 2: into rap and I became obsessed with the genre. I

1745
01:08:30,830 --> 01:08:34,230
Speaker 2: became obsessed with the stories, the persona and interested in,

1746
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:37,090
Speaker 2: you know, put a lot of my money into the

1747
01:08:37,210 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: rap economy as a fan, as a consumer. And I

1748
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: think that just like my work just reflects my Probably

1749
01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: unhealthy obsession with something that I'm super into. I'm into

1750
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: movies too. I'm into gangster movies. I grew up watching

1751
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,090
Speaker 2: Goodfellas and The Sopranos, Scarface, all of that stuff. So

1752
01:08:54,510 --> 01:08:57,090
Speaker 2: I was always interested. I grew up hearing stories of

1753
01:08:57,130 --> 01:09:00,750
Speaker 2: the East End London gangsters and I damn near... you

1754
01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 2: know all types of people in England will be like

1755
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:03,729
Speaker 2: oh you remember the Kray twins I don't know if

1756
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: you know them but they were like notorious London brother

1757
01:09:06,580 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: gangsters there's been really good films about them but it's

1758
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: like that just outlaws and that stuff just always interested

1759
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: me so I think because this is what I've always

1760
01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:16,660
Speaker 2: said I think the reason why I'm so popular is

1761
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: because I think people look at me and go this

1762
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,660
Speaker 2: guy's not going to know anything about this stuff And

1763
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,019
Speaker 2: then when you actually listen to what I have to say,

1764
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:22,820
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, actually he doesn't know his stuff. He's

1765
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,540
Speaker 2: looked into this. He's got some knowledge.

1766
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,189
Speaker 4: Come on, you do your homework. You got people that

1767
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:28,030
Speaker 4: work for you. Shout out to your crew in here.

1768
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:29,870
Speaker 3: Shout out to my crew. So it's like, you got.

1769
01:09:29,770 --> 01:09:31,269
Speaker 4: People that work for you, but I've seen you say

1770
01:09:31,290 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 4: in the episode, he just be obsessed with something, Merc.

1771
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:37,780
Speaker 4: He does be obsessed with it. He'll stay up for

1772
01:09:37,900 --> 01:09:41,830
Speaker 4: nights to do the story. I've seen him say that, like, yo, nah,

1773
01:09:41,850 --> 01:09:43,730
Speaker 4: I stayed up for nights doing.

1774
01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:44,370
Speaker 3: The dirt.

1775
01:09:44,210 --> 01:09:47,950
Speaker 4: Coverage was amazing. Every day, something was dropping. Every day,

1776
01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 4: I watched the whole.

1777
01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:52,420
Speaker 3: I felt like I was in the courtroom when he

1778
01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 3: was reporting. He's obsessed.

1779
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 4: He doesn't just do it for the money. I agree

1780
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,179
Speaker 4: with that because even I'm waiting for you to cover

1781
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,140
Speaker 4: the next wing of the trials.

1782
01:10:02,620 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for you to see what you do with that.

1783
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:05,710
Speaker 3: I was watching that every day.

1784
01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:07,350
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate that, man. But I mean, okay, the

1785
01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:09,950
Speaker 2: King Von thing, for example, right? Like, I remember when

1786
01:10:09,970 --> 01:10:11,809
Speaker 2: I made that video and that was probably the last

1787
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:13,830
Speaker 2: video I made before I built my team.

1788
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:14,629
Speaker 3: Serial Killer?

1789
01:10:14,670 --> 01:10:15,299
Speaker 2: The Serial Killer one.

1790
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:15,830
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.

1791
01:10:15,870 --> 01:10:18,570
Speaker 2: So I did that. I would say it was two

1792
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: months straight. Every night, morning to night, nothing but King

1793
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:24,330
Speaker 2: Von research. I don't think... It's going to sound weird,

1794
01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:26,330
Speaker 2: but I don't think there's anything that King Von did

1795
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:29,070
Speaker 2: that I didn't see. Like every IG live, I read

1796
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:30,740
Speaker 2: every single tweet. I went through and read every single

1797
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: tweet to the point where you can break Twitter. Like

1798
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,300
Speaker 2: there's certain ways, if you don't scroll the right way,

1799
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:39,380
Speaker 2: like Twitter, you lose tweets. So I went through every past,

1800
01:10:39,420 --> 01:10:42,220
Speaker 2: like every section of Twitter. Like this is, you don't

1801
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:43,980
Speaker 2: think this is weird, but like during the Dirk trial,

1802
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,500
Speaker 2: they were trying to show all the slide for Von tweets.

1803
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,660
Speaker 2: And they said, oh, Twitter doesn't actually let you go

1804
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: any further past this many tweets. There's 24 pages of

1805
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,260
Speaker 2: slide for Von tweets. And I remember they said, I

1806
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,900
Speaker 2: was thinking I could have, I know how to get

1807
01:10:55,939 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 2: past that and get all the tweets. Cause there's ways

1808
01:10:57,860 --> 01:10:58,839
Speaker 2: of getting all of the tweets.

1809
01:10:58,860 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: Leave it up to the internet detective.

1810
01:11:00,340 --> 01:11:02,299
Speaker 2: No, but that's what I mean. That's like, even the feds,

1811
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,590
Speaker 2: the feds didn't know how to do that.

1812
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:04,660
Speaker 3: So I could have, I could have showed them that,

1813
01:11:04,689 --> 01:11:04,929
Speaker 3: but like.

1814
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:07,450
Speaker 1: He said, I could have showed the feds how to

1815
01:11:07,470 --> 01:11:07,670
Speaker 1: do that.

1816
01:11:07,689 --> 01:11:10,010
Speaker 2: The Twitter advanced search function. You got to know how

1817
01:11:10,030 --> 01:11:11,590
Speaker 2: to get your way around it. But I read every

1818
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:13,269
Speaker 2: tweet King Von ever did. And you know, I was

1819
01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:15,889
Speaker 2: up every single day, morning till night. I was comparing

1820
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:18,590
Speaker 2: the Chicago Tribune articles and the Times. And the times

1821
01:11:18,610 --> 01:11:20,229
Speaker 2: that it said that the murder had taken place with

1822
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:24,269
Speaker 2: the times King Von's tweets were, you know, deconstructed the

1823
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:26,630
Speaker 2: tweets that were in universal standard time to Chicago time

1824
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:28,950
Speaker 2: to match them up. I listened to every single song,

1825
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:32,540
Speaker 2: every unreleased, every IG live, anything that every interview anyone

1826
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 2: had ever done about the guy over two months, just

1827
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,780
Speaker 2: me personally on my own, putting that together. And I don't,

1828
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,260
Speaker 2: I think people, they kind of do me dirty. It's like, oh,

1829
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 2: you're just obsessed. You're just this weird guy making money

1830
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:45,269
Speaker 2: off of this. But it's like, really, it's actually like, bro, I,

1831
01:11:45,729 --> 01:11:46,830
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was going to be such a

1832
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:48,250
Speaker 2: big deal. I remember I was like a month and

1833
01:11:48,490 --> 01:11:50,210
Speaker 2: six weeks in thinking like, bro, is anyone even going

1834
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:52,229
Speaker 2: to care about this? At that time, you know, it

1835
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:53,830
Speaker 2: was two years after King Von had passed away. He

1836
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:56,830
Speaker 2: was a big artist, but it was like, it wasn't

1837
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:58,650
Speaker 2: like King. It wasn't like Lil Durk's at the top

1838
01:11:58,670 --> 01:12:00,380
Speaker 2: of your timeline right now. You're always saying something about

1839
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,950
Speaker 2: Lil Durk. It was, I was like, I don't even

1840
01:12:01,979 --> 01:12:03,839
Speaker 2: know if people are interested in this, but I'm interested

1841
01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:05,380
Speaker 2: in this. So I'm going to make this. And there's

1842
01:12:05,420 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: a lot of videos I've done that I feel like

1843
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,700
Speaker 2: they're not trending topics.

1844
01:12:09,780 --> 01:12:11,060
Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny, right?

1845
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: Because I did a hour and a half documentary on

1846
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,060
Speaker 2: Sammy the Bull. like two months before the Dirk trial.

1847
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,020
Speaker 2: And it was super random. People were like, why the

1848
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,540
Speaker 2: hell are you doing this? But it's like, I'm interested

1849
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: in the mob too. I'm interested in the mafia. Then

1850
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: when everyone starts calling OTF Jam, Jammy the Bull, I'm like, hey,

1851
01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: if you want to know Sammy the Bull, I actually

1852
01:12:27,620 --> 01:12:29,090
Speaker 2: did something on him a few months ago because I'm

1853
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:29,850
Speaker 2: genuinely interested.

1854
01:12:30,210 --> 01:12:32,470
Speaker 3: I've wanted to do that for months. That's what they

1855
01:12:32,490 --> 01:12:32,830
Speaker 3: were saying.

1856
01:12:32,850 --> 01:12:34,610
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't come up with that.

1857
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:35,530
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that.

1858
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:38,490
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, just in answer to your question, I

1859
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:40,710
Speaker 2: think maybe just because I'm English, because I'm white and

1860
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:44,570
Speaker 2: I don't look like I'm from the hip hop culture,

1861
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:45,950
Speaker 2: but I don't claim to be, I don't claim to

1862
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:47,189
Speaker 2: be from Chicago, Oblock.

1863
01:12:47,210 --> 01:12:48,490
Speaker 1: I'm not. You're like the overseas Vlad.

1864
01:12:48,510 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 3: He's not from Oblock.

1865
01:12:49,570 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: You're like the overseas Vlad, but y'all come at it

1866
01:12:51,780 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: a little different. That's what they're saying. I see people like,

1867
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:55,700
Speaker 1: he's like Vlad a little bit, man.

1868
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 3: But I look up to Vlad. I know a lot

1869
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 3: of people don't like Vlad. Vlad is my guy.

1870
01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:59,700
Speaker 1: Vlad, Vlad family.

1871
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:02,140
Speaker 3: Thank you, Vlad, for getting Traplos Ross on the show.

1872
01:13:02,180 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: Vlad is the family of the show.

1873
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:04,210
Speaker 3: He paved the way, man.

1874
01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:05,490
Speaker 1: Facts, facts. He paved the way.

1875
01:13:05,530 --> 01:13:07,110
Speaker 2: But you know what I think is great as well, though?

1876
01:13:07,170 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's like, I think the racial thing

1877
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,750
Speaker 2: is difficult because it's obviously, look, a white guy in

1878
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:15,730
Speaker 2: hip hop, whether it's Eminem had a hard time when

1879
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:17,490
Speaker 2: he was coming out, but he was really good at

1880
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:19,450
Speaker 2: what he did. He worked super hard making them songs,

1881
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:21,110
Speaker 2: coming up with those rhyme schemes that you ain't never

1882
01:13:21,130 --> 01:13:23,950
Speaker 2: heard before. He outworked the preconceptions.

1883
01:13:23,979 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: Shout out to Eminem.

1884
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:27,620
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm anything on Eminem, but it's like,

1885
01:13:27,660 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: I just try and just do the best work that

1886
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,100
Speaker 2: I can. And I hope that that speaks for itself.

1887
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:32,620
Speaker 2: But at the same time, a lot of people say like, oh,

1888
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: you're a white guy in hip hop. But like, there's

1889
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: so many great black hip hop media people broadcasters that

1890
01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:39,939
Speaker 2: have just done amazing things over the years you know

1891
01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: number one guy is academic so i feel like there

1892
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: is space for some people of different backgrounds different countries

1893
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: there's not too many uk guys doing this either so

1894
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 2: i'm blessed to have made it this far in this

1895
01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: game but like you know i just feel.

1896
01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 4: Like overseas embrace hip-hop like a little a little more

1897
01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:57,780
Speaker 4: than the u.s because like you'll go overseas like there's

1898
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,540
Speaker 4: a guy that's been to How many shows murdered? Probably

1899
01:14:01,540 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 4: 155 G-Unit shows. There's not one show he doesn't miss overseas.

1900
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,070
Speaker 4: If we're in Germany, we're in London, we're in Paris,

1901
01:14:10,410 --> 01:14:13,890
Speaker 4: he's been to 155 shows. I met guys like in

1902
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:17,010
Speaker 4: Germany or London, and they know more hip hop than

1903
01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:19,850
Speaker 4: somebody in New York City. They can know about Melly

1904
01:14:19,870 --> 01:14:23,060
Speaker 4: Mel and the Fat Boys, and you'll see J. Ruda

1905
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,540
Speaker 4: Damage is still doing shows out there and KRS-One. So

1906
01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:28,929
Speaker 4: it's like, when I meet guys like you, it's just

1907
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:30,890
Speaker 4: another day at the office because we meet guys like

1908
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:32,389
Speaker 4: you overseas all the time.

1909
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 3: That are addicted to hip hop. It doesn't matter what color.

1910
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:37,900
Speaker 3: or race you are.

1911
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: I feel like, yes. They know everything.

1912
01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: You're right. You're definitely right. Music breaks every kind of barrier.

1913
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,250
Speaker 4: And I respect what you do because you remind me

1914
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:50,110
Speaker 4: of those guys that I've met going to London and

1915
01:14:50,130 --> 01:14:51,590
Speaker 4: they're diehard G-Unit fans.

1916
01:14:51,630 --> 01:14:54,349
Speaker 3: They got the wife's beater on. They're out there all day.

1917
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 3: They're waiting for us. They know when the jet is landing.

1918
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,980
Speaker 1: But they don't want us to go to jail neither. See,

1919
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: they ain't playing that shit, Trapp. Them guys he talking about,

1920
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:06,300
Speaker 1: they not playing that. Yeah, you know, they are not playing.

1921
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,309
Speaker 1: They think they're going to try to break us out.

1922
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:09,810
Speaker 1: They not playing, Trapp.

1923
01:15:09,870 --> 01:15:12,769
Speaker 4: I think with Trapp, what he's saying is he's thinking

1924
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:15,630
Speaker 4: about little pop family and he's thinking about dirt. So

1925
01:15:15,670 --> 01:15:18,290
Speaker 4: he's just giving the facts and everybody's not going to

1926
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:20,370
Speaker 4: like the way he relies.

1927
01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:21,430
Speaker 3: He's not picking the sides.

1928
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:22,610
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying?

1929
01:15:22,930 --> 01:15:24,990
Speaker 4: So it's like he's thinking about this guy's family and

1930
01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:27,260
Speaker 4: his mother's loss because he's in court and see the

1931
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,100
Speaker 4: mother crying and he's thinking about you know, Dirk was

1932
01:15:31,140 --> 01:15:33,420
Speaker 4: going on with Trout. Because he had his good days

1933
01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 4: with Dirk and his bad days. What do you think

1934
01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:37,980
Speaker 4: about Q50 though? Because it's like this whole Q50 thing,

1935
01:15:38,050 --> 01:15:39,440
Speaker 4: rest in peace to Q50.

1936
01:15:39,790 --> 01:15:41,750
Speaker 3: You know, they got Tesla videos. He shouldn't have been

1937
01:15:41,770 --> 01:15:44,190
Speaker 3: in Tesla. What do you have to store? Without the blick,

1938
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:47,830
Speaker 3: he's slipping. Like, I like Q50' s music. Do you think

1939
01:15:47,890 --> 01:15:49,550
Speaker 3: Vert is going to be able to hold a torch

1940
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:51,269
Speaker 3: for Bloodhound? Is Bloodhound over?

1941
01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:52,110
Speaker 1: Like, what do you think?

1942
01:15:52,270 --> 01:15:54,630
Speaker 2: Man, I know Murda's not going to like this next part, man,

1943
01:15:54,689 --> 01:15:56,110
Speaker 2: but Q50 was saying.

1944
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: In his songs- No, why are you saying I'm not

1945
01:15:57,810 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: going to like this next part?

1946
01:15:59,060 --> 01:16:01,540
Speaker 2: Because Q50 was rapping in his songs. He said, damn, 50,

1947
01:16:01,540 --> 01:16:03,780
Speaker 2: is he really up eight hats? Hats is Murda.

1948
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 3: We know that. Of course we know that.

1949
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,580
Speaker 2: So he's, damn, is he really up eight hats? I

1950
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,340
Speaker 2: would have been up 10, but two of them ain't check.

1951
01:16:09,860 --> 01:16:12,940
Speaker 2: So he was saying he had eight hats, he had

1952
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,940
Speaker 2: eight Murda's. It was very creepy for me because I

1953
01:16:15,979 --> 01:16:19,650
Speaker 2: did a two-hour video on Q50 and It was two

1954
01:16:19,689 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: years to the day.

1955
01:16:20,420 --> 01:16:21,260
Speaker 3: Before he passed away.

1956
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 2: It was kind of, you know, when you just look

1957
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:26,660
Speaker 2: at something, you think that's so weird, like coincidence. But

1958
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,580
Speaker 2: I did that video about Q50' s eight alleged hats. I

1959
01:16:30,620 --> 01:16:31,700
Speaker 2: don't think he was a cap rapper.

1960
01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:33,620
Speaker 3: I believed him. I didn't find all of them, but

1961
01:16:33,650 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 3: I found a lot of them.

1962
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,630
Speaker 1: How many rappers talk about doing things in their music?

1963
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:38,610
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how many of them can you find that

1964
01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:39,490
Speaker 2: shit and it lines up?

1965
01:16:39,550 --> 01:16:40,210
Speaker 3: Like, that's the thing.

1966
01:16:40,270 --> 01:16:41,570
Speaker 2: Not many of them you can find it and it

1967
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:44,790
Speaker 2: lines up. Q50 got lyrics where he talking about like, oh,

1968
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:48,230
Speaker 2: my parents, My first hit was a special one. And

1969
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:49,970
Speaker 2: the rumor has it, I think he's got a lyric

1970
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:51,770
Speaker 2: where he talks about my first hit was a three-four.

1971
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:52,310
Speaker 1: Rumor.

1972
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:54,950
Speaker 3: No, no, that's what I'm saying.

1973
01:16:54,990 --> 01:16:57,170
Speaker 2: But like, you know, the rumor is he's got this

1974
01:16:57,229 --> 01:16:58,809
Speaker 2: line where he says, I'm in the mill doing hits

1975
01:16:58,850 --> 01:17:01,010
Speaker 2: for Pape and all this stuff. And so rumor is

1976
01:17:01,070 --> 01:17:03,330
Speaker 2: he was working as a hitman in Milwaukee and they

1977
01:17:03,370 --> 01:17:05,130
Speaker 2: did a hit where they ran up in there.

1978
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:06,450
Speaker 3: Him and Lil Jeff and another guy.

1979
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:07,969
Speaker 1: People will believe anything, man.

1980
01:17:08,130 --> 01:17:10,450
Speaker 2: But then you find the news report. But then you

1981
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: find the news report and someone ran up in a

1982
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:14,979
Speaker 2: trap house and killed three people and they all got killed.

1983
01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:16,650
Speaker 2: And it was like, they were supposed to kill this

1984
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:19,150
Speaker 2: one guy. They ended up killing everybody and like doing

1985
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:21,830
Speaker 2: this crazy hit. And he's rapping about, I'm in Milwaukee

1986
01:17:21,850 --> 01:17:23,990
Speaker 2: doing hits for money. I believe him when he said

1987
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:25,310
Speaker 2: he had eight hats. When they talk about two of

1988
01:17:25,340 --> 01:17:27,110
Speaker 2: them didn't check, you know, there was a guy that

1989
01:17:27,140 --> 01:17:29,620
Speaker 2: allegedly the bloodhound shot. And then the guy was on

1990
01:17:29,660 --> 01:17:31,860
Speaker 2: life support for like a year. And then they was

1991
01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: pretending the guy was outside posting. People was posting, pretending

1992
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,979
Speaker 2: to be him. And then like Q50 making fun of

1993
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:40,480
Speaker 2: him and telling him to unplug him and all this

1994
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:44,780
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Like, allegedly Q50 was putting that stuff

1995
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:47,460
Speaker 2: out there do you know Q50 rapped about me.

1996
01:17:47,420 --> 01:17:49,940
Speaker 1: Yeah Trap be excited about this I can tell you

1997
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: know Q50 rapped about me what he said about.

1998
01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:53,780
Speaker 2: You Trap he's got a lyric and you know his

1999
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 2: ops is called Trap City so like the Bloodhounds branched

2000
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:58,620
Speaker 2: off from this crew called Drill City and Drill City

2001
01:17:58,660 --> 01:18:01,590
Speaker 2: and Trap City is like don't get along he's got

2002
01:18:01,610 --> 01:18:03,650
Speaker 2: this lyric after I dropped the documentary about him he

2003
01:18:03,670 --> 01:18:05,470
Speaker 2: dropped a lyric he said Trap Lore reminds me of

2004
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:08,210
Speaker 2: Trap City speaking on bodies they know I get busy

2005
01:18:09,390 --> 01:18:11,769
Speaker 2: so he low-key kind of confirmed he.

2006
01:18:11,650 --> 01:18:13,950
Speaker 3: Said it You felt good about that.

2007
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:14,870
Speaker 1: How you felt when you.

2008
01:18:14,830 --> 01:18:15,670
Speaker 3: Heard your name on that record?

2009
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:17,570
Speaker 2: I was just like, damn, that's crazy. Like he really

2010
01:18:17,610 --> 01:18:20,850
Speaker 2: giving me the acknowledgement. He didn't say Trap Lord reminds

2011
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: me of Capsy. He said they remind me of Trap City.

2012
01:18:23,780 --> 01:18:26,260
Speaker 1: He said they know I get busy. He said not

2013
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,139
Speaker 1: Caps City, Trap City. You know what I mean?

2014
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:32,100
Speaker 2: But like, the thing is, I feel like Q50 though,

2015
01:18:33,420 --> 01:18:36,130
Speaker 2: same with Von, like realistically, Q50 wanted everyone to think

2016
01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:37,510
Speaker 2: he had all them bodies. When he's saying, yeah, they

2017
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:39,890
Speaker 2: know I get busy. Q50, like, I think that documentary

2018
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:42,050
Speaker 2: probably dropped Q50. Like, yeah, like, you know what's up. Like,

2019
01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 2: That was good marketing for Q50. I'm not saying I'm

2020
01:18:45,660 --> 01:18:47,770
Speaker 2: responsible for Q50 success, but that was just one of

2021
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:50,300
Speaker 2: the small things where it was like everybody was like

2022
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: yo q50 is this guy like everyone loves him i

2023
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,219
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys remember it or how closely

2024
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: you followed q50 but there was rumors that he died

2025
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,110
Speaker 2: like a year before where there was a shooting in

2026
01:18:59,150 --> 01:19:00,050
Speaker 2: st louis.

2027
01:19:00,030 --> 01:19:01,790
Speaker 3: Oh yeah q50 yeah the car got shot up he.

2028
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:03,910
Speaker 2: Ran off they say he ran off with 60k and

2029
01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:04,630
Speaker 2: they tried to kill.

2030
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:06,629
Speaker 3: Him he rapped about it yeah i heard about.

2031
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:08,309
Speaker 2: It and so it's like.

2032
01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:13,099
Speaker 3: You know, he was- What's that killer white boy rapper

2033
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: that he had beef with? Oh, CTS Lil Wick. Yeah,

2034
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,970
Speaker 3: he's crazy. Lil Wick. Yeah, he's hard as well. And

2035
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:20,189
Speaker 3: he beat- St. Louis ain't no game. It's like Chicago.

2036
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:21,310
Speaker 3: It's not a game out there.

2037
01:19:21,410 --> 01:19:23,189
Speaker 2: I did like a three hour documentary about the St.

2038
01:19:23,229 --> 01:19:24,490
Speaker 2: Louis gang wars.

2039
01:19:24,689 --> 01:19:26,729
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. And that's, it's crazy.

2040
01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:28,510
Speaker 2: Like the guns that they got out there is just

2041
01:19:29,170 --> 01:19:31,059
Speaker 2: a whole different level. They're just in the streets with them.

2042
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 2: They're just carrying everything openly. Just having wild shootouts on

2043
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 2: IG Live, you know, but- Q50 was going to different

2044
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,059
Speaker 2: cities and getting into it with gangsters from St.

2045
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: Louis.

2046
01:19:40,420 --> 01:19:42,180
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a loose cannon. I think he

2047
01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: liked that reputation. And unfortunately, it's really weird for me

2048
01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:50,100
Speaker 2: because seeing that footage of him, he's out on his

2049
01:19:50,189 --> 01:19:52,110
Speaker 2: own in this Tesla. He ends up getting shot. Six

2050
01:19:52,150 --> 01:19:54,230
Speaker 2: guys will jump out on him. But you think, bro,

2051
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:55,950
Speaker 2: you was running around talking about you got eight hats.

2052
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:58,309
Speaker 2: How are you in Chicago? Apparently, this is a notorious

2053
01:19:58,350 --> 01:20:02,180
Speaker 2: gas station. in a hood that everybody knows is really dangerous,

2054
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,060
Speaker 2: really treacherous.

2055
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,340
Speaker 3: Like he was out there all day. I heard they

2056
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,540
Speaker 3: had history for violence over there.

2057
01:20:05,620 --> 01:20:08,900
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's associated with this group.

2058
01:20:08,979 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: You think Vert is good enough to hold a Bloodhound torch?

2059
01:20:11,380 --> 01:20:12,140
Speaker 3: Or you don't know?

2060
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: Man, I like Vert. I like Vert, but I feel

2061
01:20:14,860 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: like I can't imagine the pain he's going through. He's

2062
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:17,180
Speaker 2: lost so many friends.

2063
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,979
Speaker 3: He lost because Vert, because Bloodhound. What's the other guy

2064
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 3: that died? Lil Skoom. Lil Skoom and Jeff Q and Q50. Yeah.

2065
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:28,180
Speaker 3: Vert's the only one left.

2066
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 2: I like that i think vert's music's great you know

2067
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 2: me and vert had a little back and forth a

2068
01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:33,939
Speaker 2: few years ago um who you yeah me and vert

2069
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,809
Speaker 2: had a little back and forth what happened i can't

2070
01:20:35,820 --> 01:20:37,670
Speaker 2: remember he was telling me that i i think it

2071
01:20:37,689 --> 01:20:40,550
Speaker 2: was something where uh he was saying he was he

2072
01:20:40,570 --> 01:20:42,210
Speaker 2: was saying i owed him money for something or like

2073
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:43,670
Speaker 2: for using his name i owed him money i'm a

2074
01:20:43,689 --> 01:20:45,770
Speaker 2: people money trap and then i said and then i

2075
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:48,070
Speaker 2: said for using his name and then i said how

2076
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:50,100
Speaker 2: about i donate the money to like a charity of

2077
01:20:50,140 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: your choice and then i think he said he was

2078
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:53,620
Speaker 2: gonna fight me and then we squashed it or something

2079
01:20:53,660 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: like oh he was trolling me and then we ended

2080
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,170
Speaker 2: up being cool in the dms but um I feel

2081
01:20:58,189 --> 01:21:00,389
Speaker 2: like Vert is good. I think he's really talented, but

2082
01:21:00,470 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: I completely understand. I know the rumor was he got

2083
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:06,460
Speaker 2: shot earlier this year and he was recovering from that.

2084
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,520
Speaker 2: So he kind of been out of the way and offline,

2085
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,860
Speaker 2: but from what I'm hearing, he's good. I just hope

2086
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,460
Speaker 2: that he can just get back on the music, focus

2087
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:15,139
Speaker 2: on the music, stay away from the streets and everything

2088
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:15,700
Speaker 2: that's going on.

2089
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,180
Speaker 3: I mean, right now, Chicago is a bad place. Do

2090
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: you think the best thing is for Chicago artists just

2091
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 3: to move out of Chicago like Chief Keef? A thousand percent.

2092
01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 3: Shout out to Chief Keef. I feel like it was

2093
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,219
Speaker 3: a smart move. Move out of Chicago and make millions.

2094
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:26,150
Speaker 2: I think Chief Keef.

2095
01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:30,090
Speaker 2: Is like one of the best Chicago role models. And

2096
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:32,450
Speaker 2: that's why I think, okay, we keep getting back to it,

2097
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:34,670
Speaker 2: but like, that's why I always felt like Lil Durk,

2098
01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:36,990
Speaker 2: when he caught that case, I felt like it was

2099
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:39,610
Speaker 2: disappointing as a fan to see how far he had

2100
01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:42,450
Speaker 2: come and then to see him essentially get caught up

2101
01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: in this, you know, spiral of negativity.

2102
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: That's, once again, I'm trying to tell you, Trav, that's

2103
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:53,979
Speaker 1: from having them corny ass friends around him now. Jammy

2104
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,900
Speaker 1: the ball. You just said it, jam me the ball.

2105
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:58,250
Speaker 3: Try to jam him up.

2106
01:21:58,300 --> 01:21:59,300
Speaker 1: I know what he said.

2107
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,620
Speaker 3: He's disappointed because you see the success of Chief Keef.

2108
01:22:01,979 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: He's in Cali.

2109
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: And you thought Dirk was about to follow up the

2110
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: same way, kind of.

2111
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:05,860
Speaker 3: Look at Chief Keef.

2112
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,480
Speaker 4: Chief Keef got millions of dollars. He got Ferraris, Ferrari

2113
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,270
Speaker 4: trucks in the driveway, Hellcats, Trackhawks. He's living his life.

2114
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:16,790
Speaker 4: Fourth of July, he's blowing fireworks. His music's still selling.

2115
01:22:17,070 --> 01:22:20,470
Speaker 4: People still love him. He's still touring, but he's still alive.

2116
01:22:21,150 --> 01:22:23,290
Speaker 4: So it's like, for you to be an artist, he's

2117
01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:25,850
Speaker 4: the role model to me too because he moved out

2118
01:22:25,870 --> 01:22:27,910
Speaker 4: the hood and he's successful.

2119
01:22:28,620 --> 01:22:31,180
Speaker 2: And to be fair though, let's be real, Chief Keef,

2120
01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: his team have had a lot of issues over the years.

2121
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: It's not sweet for him in Chicago. He's got issues

2122
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:38,059
Speaker 2: with different groups.

2123
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:38,500
Speaker 1: Of course, of course.

2124
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,139
Speaker 2: Groups he used to be cool with, he has issues

2125
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:43,110
Speaker 2: with now. I think there's this misconception that because Chief

2126
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:46,229
Speaker 2: Keef made Oblock famous that he's beloved by Oblock, but

2127
01:22:46,270 --> 01:22:48,630
Speaker 2: he had real static and friction with people like Vaughn

2128
01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:50,900
Speaker 2: and You know, Keefe and Dirk don't really get along

2129
01:22:50,939 --> 01:22:53,580
Speaker 2: like that. And I feel like, you know, Chief Keefe,

2130
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,500
Speaker 2: I think people underestimate how serious it is for him.

2131
01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:59,059
Speaker 2: And the fact that he's still out here walking around,

2132
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: moving around, he manages to navigate this stuff. He hasn't

2133
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:02,729
Speaker 2: gotten into any of that drama. He hasn't got a

2134
01:23:02,729 --> 01:23:05,890
Speaker 2: big case. He hasn't been shot at. You know, there

2135
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:08,170
Speaker 2: was a viral clip going around recently of Chief Keefe's

2136
01:23:08,210 --> 01:23:10,450
Speaker 2: team stopping at a gas station. And they move in

2137
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:13,290
Speaker 2: like the president, multiple ARs. They move in properly, efficiently.

2138
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:14,769
Speaker 2: He'd taken that money.

2139
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:17,710
Speaker 3: Did they buy three bulletproofs? They bought three bulletproofs to

2140
01:23:17,729 --> 01:23:18,470
Speaker 3: move to Chicago.

2141
01:23:18,510 --> 01:23:20,340
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was that clip of him. They was driving

2142
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,420
Speaker 2: down Front Street in the bulletproofs and like, you know,

2143
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:24,860
Speaker 2: he not scared to go back, but he knows. I

2144
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,019
Speaker 2: think it had been like 11 years until he went

2145
01:23:27,070 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 2: back for that Summer Smash. And you know, he was

2146
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,500
Speaker 2: damn near banned from the city.

2147
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they invested in three BPs.

2148
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 2: I think the thing where they said that he got

2149
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: shot at, I think that was overstated. I think they

2150
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,580
Speaker 2: was at a gas station and then there was a

2151
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,580
Speaker 2: shooting nearby that you could hear, but I don't think

2152
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,140
Speaker 2: they shot at you. Obviously, there was a big fight

2153
01:23:45,380 --> 01:23:47,839
Speaker 2: backstage at his show, but that was like an internal

2154
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 2: beef between G Herbo's crew and, well, G Herbo's crew.

2155
01:23:52,939 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 1: Allegedly.

2156
01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:57,540
Speaker 2: Allegedly, there's some in-house friction going on and G Herbo

2157
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,889
Speaker 2: and Chief Keef are cool but then there's like people

2158
01:23:59,910 --> 01:24:03,070
Speaker 2: on Chief Keef's team that were friends with G Herbo's friends,

2159
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:04,370
Speaker 2: and then they had a falling out. So there was

2160
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:05,530
Speaker 2: like a fist fight, but that was just.

2161
01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:07,530
Speaker 1: A fist fight. Please fix it because the internet detective

2162
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:09,229
Speaker 1: will find out. Trust me, y'all.

2163
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:11,470
Speaker 2: I know too much about that one already.

2164
01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:13,130
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know about that one. I

2165
01:24:13,150 --> 01:24:14,130
Speaker 1: know too much already.

2166
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:15,630
Speaker 3: No, that one's crazy. That one's crazy.

2167
01:24:15,670 --> 01:24:18,930
Speaker 2: But, you know, I think G Herbo as well, there's

2168
01:24:18,970 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: a lot going on with G Herbo's team, but G Herbo,

2169
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:23,229
Speaker 2: I think it's done amazingly. You know, he had a

2170
01:24:23,260 --> 01:24:25,500
Speaker 2: little fraud case that he ended up getting resolved, but

2171
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,820
Speaker 2: you don't hear about G Herbo putting hits on people.

2172
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,330
Speaker 1: He, Because he's not, man.

2173
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:33,230
Speaker 3: No, but that's what I'm saying. Exactly.

2174
01:24:33,310 --> 01:24:36,890
Speaker 1: And neither is Dirk, Trapp. And neither is Dirk, Trapp.

2175
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:37,410
Speaker 3: And you know what?

2176
01:24:38,060 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Not guilty. Exactly.

2177
01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:41,060
Speaker 3: Not guilty, Trapp.

2178
01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 4: I think people think he's obsessed with just doing Chicago, though.

2179
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,890
Speaker 4: But he's done New York City. He's done Fabio out

2180
01:24:48,910 --> 01:24:51,990
Speaker 4: here in Brooklyn, Shelter, Brooklyn. He's done Sweden.

2181
01:24:52,630 --> 01:24:55,220
Speaker 3: The gangster shit we've been hearing about Sweden went to Morocco.

2182
01:24:55,530 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 4: He's done gang shit in London too, Merc. So I

2183
01:24:59,140 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 4: think people just get confused. It's just Chicago shit, I

2184
01:25:02,420 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 4: think sometimes it's just the most interesting to people. Because

2185
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 4: I know I like watching anything on Chicago.

2186
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:08,549
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

2187
01:25:08,630 --> 01:25:10,689
Speaker 2: What fascinates me is I think as well, it's like,

2188
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:14,090
Speaker 2: obviously I'm interested in the drill culture that originated in Chicago.

2189
01:25:14,110 --> 01:25:16,349
Speaker 2: Chicago started this, but it's spread all around the world.

2190
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:19,110
Speaker 2: Like you got these gangster rappers and drill rappers in Sweden,

2191
01:25:19,450 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: they going back and forth and you know, pulling up

2192
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,510
Speaker 2: on each other on camera and dissing each other, people

2193
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,370
Speaker 2: getting shot up on, you know, all kinds of hits

2194
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:30,250
Speaker 2: been going on and people rapping about it and making

2195
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:33,170
Speaker 2: music about it. I mean, in the UK, it's like

2196
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:35,550
Speaker 2: everything that goes on in Chicago happens in the UK,

2197
01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:37,070
Speaker 2: but you know, a lot of it's with knives. You know,

2198
01:25:37,090 --> 01:25:39,150
Speaker 2: you've got guys that are pulling up on the mopeds

2199
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:41,809
Speaker 2: with knives, they're filming it, they're rapping about it, they're

2200
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,540
Speaker 2: dissing each other. There's like, you know, department stores, the

2201
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 2: ops run into each other and all the knives come

2202
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,940
Speaker 2: out and they're Damn near sword fights on camera and stuff.

2203
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,860
Speaker 3: Nah, I was thinking machetes in London. Machetes, knives. We

2204
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:52,620
Speaker 3: have zombie knives.

2205
01:25:52,939 --> 01:25:53,780
Speaker 2: You ever seen a zombie knife?

2206
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:54,860
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that.

2207
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,100
Speaker 3: With the serrated edges.

2208
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,180
Speaker 2: They call it a zombie killer knife, like a ZK knife.

2209
01:25:58,300 --> 01:25:59,900
Speaker 3: Dude's really out here running around with those. You definitely

2210
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,150
Speaker 3: got to be careful in London. It's not a joke, man.

2211
01:26:02,189 --> 01:26:03,690
Speaker 1: But before we get out of here, Chap, I want

2212
01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:06,130
Speaker 1: the people to know that you want Dirk to come home, correct?

2213
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:08,110
Speaker 2: Do I want Dirk to come home?

2214
01:26:08,150 --> 01:26:08,790
Speaker 3: I don't care.

2215
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:11,170
Speaker 1: I really don't care. Do you want him to come home,

2216
01:26:11,229 --> 01:26:11,830
Speaker 1: yes or no?

2217
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,050
Speaker 2: I wanna see him resolve the last two charges that

2218
01:26:15,070 --> 01:26:17,219
Speaker 2: he's got and whatever the result is, I respect it.

2219
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:19,070
Speaker 1: But do you want him as a fan of Lil

2220
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:19,790
Speaker 1: Durk music?

2221
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:22,690
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said resolve it. You want him to resolve it.

2222
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: It's a difference. No, you gotta let him answer that.

2223
01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:27,100
Speaker 1: It's a difference. Do you wanna see Durk come home?

2224
01:26:27,260 --> 01:26:28,380
Speaker 1: Yes or no?

2225
01:26:28,460 --> 01:26:30,580
Speaker 2: Well, everyone keeps telling me not to be biased and

2226
01:26:30,620 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 2: to be impartial. So if I say, that's why you

2227
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:33,530
Speaker 2: don't see me in no free Durk shirt.

2228
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:34,509
Speaker 3: It was ironic.

2229
01:26:34,570 --> 01:26:35,450
Speaker 2: Everyone's saying you biased.

2230
01:26:35,470 --> 01:26:37,270
Speaker 1: We saw Doody Lowe out there with the free Dirk shirt.

2231
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:38,210
Speaker 1: You ain't buying nothing from him?

2232
01:26:39,650 --> 01:26:41,590
Speaker 2: That's the most biased thing, wearing a free Dirk shirt.

2233
01:26:41,650 --> 01:26:43,050
Speaker 2: You know people came in on the first day of

2234
01:26:43,090 --> 01:26:45,269
Speaker 2: court and gave out free Dirk pamphlets in the court

2235
01:26:45,310 --> 01:26:46,849
Speaker 2: and the judge said, knock it off. If that happens again,

2236
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:48,150
Speaker 2: you're out of this courtroom. You can't be in the

2237
01:26:48,170 --> 01:26:49,190
Speaker 2: courtroom talking about free Dirk.

2238
01:26:50,150 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: Do you want Dirk to come home? Yes or no, Tramp? Yes.

2239
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:56,050
Speaker 1: But we can't answer for him. You got to let

2240
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:57,570
Speaker 1: the man in. Do you want him to come home?

2241
01:26:57,590 --> 01:26:58,330
Speaker 1: Yes or no?

2242
01:26:58,370 --> 01:26:59,349
Speaker 3: Trap? Yes.

2243
01:26:59,550 --> 01:27:01,189
Speaker 2: I just feel like I just want to see what happens.

2244
01:27:01,220 --> 01:27:02,540
Speaker 2: I just want to know the result. I don't care

2245
01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 2: either way. I don't want him to go to jail.

2246
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:06,099
Speaker 2: I don't want him to come home. I want these

2247
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: charges to be litigated. I want him to have a

2248
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:10,050
Speaker 2: fair trial. I want him to get to the bottom

2249
01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:12,130
Speaker 2: of this situation. I want to know what happened. I

2250
01:27:12,150 --> 01:27:14,130
Speaker 2: want to see all the evidence and I respect whatever

2251
01:27:14,150 --> 01:27:17,220
Speaker 2: the result is. Just like I'm not on here talking about, oh,

2252
01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:18,420
Speaker 2: he definitely did it.

2253
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 3: It's all capped.

2254
01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:21,520
Speaker 2: The jury got paid. I respect the result. He's found

2255
01:27:21,580 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: not guilty of those charges. They did not prove beyond

2256
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt that he did a murder for hire.

2257
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: That's right, because he didn't.

2258
01:27:27,380 --> 01:27:28,460
Speaker 3: Are you now for the second?

2259
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:29,660
Speaker 1: You want him to come home? Yes.

2260
01:27:30,540 --> 01:27:33,170
Speaker 2: If he gets found not guilty on the remaining two charges, yeah,

2261
01:27:33,330 --> 01:27:34,170
Speaker 2: I would want him to come home.

2262
01:27:34,210 --> 01:27:35,650
Speaker 3: I would think it'd be wrong. Thank you.

2263
01:27:35,689 --> 01:27:37,810
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. That's all we want from you, Chad. Even

2264
01:27:38,010 --> 01:27:40,490
Speaker 1: though he didn't say that shit the right way, but still.

2265
01:27:40,530 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 3: Traplo, can I ask you when the new trial's starting,

2266
01:27:43,979 --> 01:27:44,580
Speaker 3: the Speedy trial?

2267
01:27:47,540 --> 01:27:50,019
Speaker 2: It's currently scheduled for October 5th. A lot of people

2268
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,460
Speaker 2: are saying that there's a rumor going around that it's

2269
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,219
Speaker 2: going to be delayed, but there hasn't been an official

2270
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 2: announcement yet.

2271
01:27:55,780 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 3: Are you going to be on the scene? Are we

2272
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,900
Speaker 3: going to watch some new footage of you there for

2273
01:27:59,060 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 3: the next two weeks?

2274
01:28:00,060 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: I would like to be. I'm going to try to be.

2275
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:02,510
Speaker 1: Every day?

2276
01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: I would like to be.

2277
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:05,190
Speaker 3: I would like to be. You know what I'm saying?

2278
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,530
Speaker 2: I don't want to give away my movements too much.

2279
01:28:07,729 --> 01:28:09,030
Speaker 1: It's all good.

2280
01:28:09,070 --> 01:28:10,590
Speaker 3: I might be. I would like to.

2281
01:28:10,630 --> 01:28:13,010
Speaker 2: I think because I'm so committed, invested in this case,

2282
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:14,610
Speaker 2: I'd like to see it through to its end. Will

2283
01:28:14,650 --> 01:28:16,150
Speaker 2: you say you want to see Didi come home?

2284
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,780
Speaker 1: D.D.? Yeah. You don't even know who that is? Yeah,

2285
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't be caught up in that shit

2286
01:28:22,060 --> 01:28:22,500
Speaker 1: like that.

2287
01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:22,700
Speaker 4: Nah?

2288
01:28:23,060 --> 01:28:23,820
Speaker 3: You don't want to see D.D.

2289
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Come home? D.D. with the hood?

2290
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,980
Speaker 2: Who was found guilty of the stalking resulting in death

2291
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,140
Speaker 2: with a machine gun of Lil Pap.

2292
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,750
Speaker 1: They found him guilty? Yeah. That's crazy. We got a...

2293
01:28:31,689 --> 01:28:33,570
Speaker 1: Murder only care about dirt.

2294
01:28:33,610 --> 01:28:35,630
Speaker 3: He don't care about... Would you want, like, justice for

2295
01:28:35,650 --> 01:28:35,990
Speaker 3: Lil Pap?

2296
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:38,290
Speaker 1: Justice for Lil Pap?

2297
01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:38,650
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2298
01:28:38,670 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Of course we don't. We don't want to see none

2299
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:44,269
Speaker 1: of this shit happen, right? But the problem be deeper

2300
01:28:44,290 --> 01:28:46,350
Speaker 1: than just these rappers that you talk about. We got

2301
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:48,990
Speaker 1: to get to... Why are we even in these situations

2302
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:51,509
Speaker 1: in the first place? Because of how our environments is altered.

2303
01:28:51,550 --> 01:28:53,890
Speaker 1: It's a whole big story we could get into, but

2304
01:28:54,170 --> 01:28:56,530
Speaker 1: it's bigger than the rappers trap. It's just these situations

2305
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:57,769
Speaker 1: that we unfortunately is put in.

2306
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:59,730
Speaker 3: Well, Pap was innocent. He was innocent.

2307
01:28:59,770 --> 01:29:01,380
Speaker 1: For me? No, I know that. I'm talking about even

2308
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,340
Speaker 1: the Dierks and them. It's the situations, environments that we

2309
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,300
Speaker 1: grew up in. It made it hard for us. You

2310
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: know what's a little easy for you? You know why?

2311
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: You got the complexion for the connection, man. It's easy

2312
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,440
Speaker 1: for you, brother. It's a little easy for you, brother.

2313
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 3: I got to ask one more question though.

2314
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Go ahead.

2315
01:29:16,460 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: At what point... At what point does somebody get famous enough,

2316
01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 2: successful enough, removed enough from the situation to say, you

2317
01:29:24,820 --> 01:29:26,690
Speaker 2: now crashing out, you throwing it all away, you a dummy?

2318
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,900
Speaker 2: If somebody is rich enough, successful enough, if Elon Musk

2319
01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:31,520
Speaker 2: put a hit on someone, I'm not talking about Dirk,

2320
01:29:31,540 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: but I'm talking theoretically.

2321
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:33,500
Speaker 3: Is there not a level?

2322
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 2: If 50 gets arrested for murder for hire next week,

2323
01:29:36,220 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 2: you got to be thinking, bro, that's disappointing, bro. I

2324
01:29:37,860 --> 01:29:39,459
Speaker 2: thought you was on another level, 50.

2325
01:29:39,460 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: Of course, if 50 want to do no dumb shit

2326
01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: like that, just like Dirk can't do no dumb shit

2327
01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:46,420
Speaker 1: like that, that's how he was found not guilty of

2328
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 1: them shit, and that's how he's going to be found

2329
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:50,590
Speaker 1: not guilty when them other charges get popped up in

2330
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:51,229
Speaker 1: the case start, man.

2331
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:52,830
Speaker 3: You know what it is, too? That's fair, that's fair.

2332
01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:54,610
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Thank you, man.

2333
01:29:54,670 --> 01:29:56,150
Speaker 3: This is what you got to understand, Trap Law.

2334
01:29:57,189 --> 01:30:00,689
Speaker 4: These artists are making way more money now with streams

2335
01:30:00,790 --> 01:30:03,870
Speaker 4: and shows and everything. And a lot of them, once

2336
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 4: these guys make their first million or two, they're making

2337
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:08,530
Speaker 4: it like it's nothing.

2338
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,780
Speaker 3: They don't want to hear what they big homie got

2339
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 3: to say. You know what I'm saying? They the boss.

2340
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying?

2341
01:30:14,820 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 4: We was fortunate enough to have somebody like 50 that

2342
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 4: was young but was ahead of his time because he

2343
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 4: was outside early.

2344
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 3: And he knew, oh, yo, shit, this shit right here

2345
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,250
Speaker 3: going to make you hot. Or, yo, watch your friends.

2346
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:30,610
Speaker 3: Because Fifth told Dirk that before. Like, yo, watch your friends.

2347
01:30:31,689 --> 01:30:34,030
Speaker 3: That's when Jewel, he gave Dirk. You know what I'm saying?

2348
01:30:34,290 --> 01:30:36,530
Speaker 3: He'll tell me that. Yo, watch your friends. Give me

2349
01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:38,690
Speaker 3: a watch, yo, they'll kill you for that watch. Like,

2350
01:30:38,830 --> 01:30:39,850
Speaker 3: always making you think.

2351
01:30:40,590 --> 01:30:43,010
Speaker 4: Now, nobody really has a big homie because they the

2352
01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:44,689
Speaker 4: big homie and these guys are still young.

2353
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:45,610
Speaker 1: They're young, 25.

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Speaker 3: Imagine being 23 years old, making 18 years. Rob Markman, Jr.

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Speaker 1: Because they got the money, so the money making them

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Speaker 1: the big homie now.

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Speaker 4: So that's why- Rob Markman, Jr.: I know what you're

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Speaker 4: saying about Dirk. He's a black man, he's young with money.

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Speaker 4: He's showing millions, cash. So people, the system going to

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Speaker 4: look at him as guilty anyway. That's why he got

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Speaker 4: to pay Drew Finlan and these guys. Up to 100,000 now.

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Speaker 1: Dream Team.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Shout to them. Dream Team. One thing about them, they're

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Speaker 1: going to get the truth. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, they killed it. It's true. Shout out to Drew.

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Speaker 3: Me and Drew are cool, man. Drew should love Drew

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Speaker 3: in his contact. We don't know if Trap Lord is

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Speaker 3: going to be at the trial. He might not.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, man.

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Speaker 4: But thanks, Trap Lord Ross, for coming in. Make sure

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Speaker 4: y'all like, share, and subscribe. It's the Real Report. We're

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Speaker 4: one of the biggest guys in media. Trap Lord Ross.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Trap Lord. Thanks for coming through, my guy.