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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This one is not

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Speaker 2: the other shows that are cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Marta Kiljoy, and this is a history

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Speaker 2: show about cool people who did cool stuff. My guest

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Speaker 2: this week and last week and forever, well unfortunate enough forever,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to have on as much as possible

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Speaker 2: is Miriam.

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Speaker 1: I'm Miriam him, so happy to be back.

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Speaker 2: Miriam is our resident tall ship expert, which is definitely

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Speaker 2: a big part of this. But we still haven't revealed

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Speaker 2: the reason that Miriam is the guest this week, and

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Speaker 2: it's at the end.

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Speaker 1: I will, however, bring up tall ships whenever I can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm you know. Most of this is going

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Speaker 2: to take place in the Dakotas, so I will be impressed.

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Speaker 1: I texted you about the time the American Indian Movement

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Speaker 1: took over the replica of the May Hour. Did we

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Speaker 1: ever find out anything more about that?

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Speaker 2: No, Unfortunately, it's not part of this. They took over

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Speaker 2: so many things. There's like there are entire takeovers that

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Speaker 2: are like footnotes in the book that I read and

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Speaker 2: like it's impressive. Okay, but first, our producer, Sophie why

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Speaker 2: it's me your producer, Sophie Hi. Our audio engineer is

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Speaker 2: named Ian Hi.

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Speaker 1: It's Ian Hi Hi.

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Speaker 2: Ian Our theme music was written forced by Unwoman. And

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Speaker 2: this is part four of a four part on Lakota

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Speaker 2: resistance to the American Empire. And it's also a broader

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Speaker 2: You will figure out titly and make it right, because

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Speaker 2: this is absolutely broader than Lakota Resistance. It was like

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Speaker 2: the first week was that, and now we're going to

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Speaker 2: be talking about all this other stuff. There's so much,

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Speaker 2: there's so much, and I was like this, I can't

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Speaker 2: actually right now make this until six or eight parter.

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Speaker 2: So I think I'll be back to do a lot

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Speaker 2: more of this stuff. But where we last left our

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Speaker 2: heroes and you will be completely not caught up if

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Speaker 2: you don't go back and listen to at least Monday's episode,

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Speaker 2: if not last week's episodes, is that the American Indian

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Speaker 2: Movement is reigning champs of taking stuff over and Leonard Peltier.

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Speaker 2: Peltier is on the run and well he will be

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Speaker 2: soon that the time stuff is let's just go into it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna take this story over now to Pine Ridge.

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Speaker 2: We're a super shitty, corrupt asshole named Dick Wilson. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that everyone with a name Dick is

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Speaker 2: a bad person, but it's a little on the nose.

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Speaker 1: You're setting yourself up. Like, if your name is Richard

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna be a real piece of shit, maybe

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Speaker 1: don't like introduce yourself with like call me Dick, because

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Speaker 2: Because it's like it would be a good ironic name. Really,

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Speaker 2: if you're Richard and you're really sweet guy, go by Dick.

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Speaker 2: It is like kind of funny. You know, yeah, your

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Speaker 2: kids will because no one under the age of seventy

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Speaker 2: had just become president of the Pine Ridge Tribal Council.

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Speaker 2: He'd already almost been indicted for in Besleyne money even

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Speaker 2: there's nothing in tribal law against nepotism. So he immediately

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Speaker 2: And these are salaries of like twenty five thousand a year,

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Speaker 2: Pretty nice salary. Wouldn't you feel like if.

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Speaker 1: You're describing what you're doing as nepotism, that that's like

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Speaker 1: kind you know, it's bad on the people that you're

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, just to fucking just give them all of

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Speaker 2: the money. He's he is an absolute grifter. The median

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Speaker 2: because I mean that this is their whole shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's so much like you have to actually like get

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But but Dick was willing to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dick gets it done. That was his.

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Speaker 1: Are we ma sure enough to take this topic on, Margaret,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. So when another guy, Wesley bad Heart

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Speaker 2: Aim showed up. There's this whole big thing. Riot is

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Speaker 2: where basically Aim was like showed up to talk to officials,

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so folks rioted. They overturned two cop cars and

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Speaker 1: That's okay. Nobody knows what a chamber of commerce even does.

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Speaker 1: You're legally allowed to send it on fire.

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Speaker 2: I I mean, yeah, So the courthouse cops beat up

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Speaker 2: in the city of You gotta warn me.

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Speaker 1: You kept warning me when you weren't shocking me, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, it was Custer Courthouse in the city

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Speaker 1: Jesus.

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Speaker 2: At this point, local folks are asking Aim to help

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Speaker 2: this shit that's happening, right, And so people decided to

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Speaker 2: They went to a small town called Wounded Knee, which

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Speaker 2: of last week's episodes of eighteen ninety. On February twenty seventh,

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Speaker 2: Aim is like, you have a run across the outside

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Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the outside agitator thing.

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Speaker 2: Feds who were breaking the law by being on the

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, two hundred people show up to Wounded Knee

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Speaker 2: true that the American Indian Movement had hostages. This is

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Speaker 2: not speculation on my part. When most left when the

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Speaker 2: Take it from yeah, take it from Wilbur Regert, who

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Speaker 2: a young man. He said, quote, we as a group

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, people being held somewhere is kind of definitionally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like wow, yeah, like good on those people,

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. That is.

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Speaker 2: Eventually all of the white residents left, not because of Aim,

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Speaker 2: because of the threat and the actual violence from the government,

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Speaker 2: because the government kept shooting up the town even though

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Speaker 2: there were quote unquote hostages. There never change settler colonialism.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if only there were a contemporary parallel to a

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Speaker 1: government that was very, very very concerned about hostages except

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So some of the people who are there.

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Speaker 2: One Iglala woman said her grandfather had barely survived the

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Speaker 2: eighteen ninety Wounded Knee massacre. So she wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: leave her people to die alone. And she wasn't a fighter.

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Speaker 2: She never picked up arms, but she stayed. On March ninth,

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Speaker 2: the first firefight broke out. No one knows who started it.

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Speaker 2: On March tenth, the government lifted the blockade hoping the

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Speaker 2: aim rabble rousers, like the outside agitators would all just flee,

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Speaker 2: you know, they didn't spoil her.

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Speaker 1: I mean because the outside agitator thing the only like,

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Speaker 3: A government provocateur trying to get people in trouble. Like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally like how the right wing is always like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I've literally like I've been at like a

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Speaker 1: Near the World Trade Center, Like and this like on

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, absolutely, So, no one flees on March tenth,

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Speaker 2: And the press eats this all up. The European press

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Speaker 2: this is the best name any legal organization has ever had,

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Speaker 2: as far as I can tell, they formed the Wounded

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Speaker 2: Goals, absolutely, and civil disobedience alongsided alongside armed occupations, just

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Speaker 1: Wait, who is calling for that, the the.

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Speaker 1: Basically Yeah, when you definitely have the safety and well

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Speaker 2: not when good things happen.

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Speaker 1: No, when they make you turn off the cameras.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as the news crews were gone, they

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Speaker 2: I think no one was killed that day there's a

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Speaker 2: couple people are going to die. I'll talk about them.

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Speaker 2: But one US marshal was wounded during that firefight, almost

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Speaker 1: Set up you set up a ring of yeah guys

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Speaker 2: No, the Patriot isn't there with artillery. They're there with

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Speaker 2: the fucking terms of the eighteen sixty eight treaty. And

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Speaker 2: just as an aside, I can't remember if we talked

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Speaker 2: broken treaties are like endlessly long ago, right, I think

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Speaker 2: was it you who brought this up? Eighteen sixty A

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know the fucking Constitution of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I am the one who brought that up.

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Speaker 1: have negated the harm. Like No, that's the literal opposite

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Speaker 1: like some drama in your social scene. Like that works

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Speaker 1: for like your interactions with other people's polydrama, you know exactly.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, like you are both kind of dicks

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that works if somebody is like, let's

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Speaker 1: like let's just cool off for a bit. We've forgotten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and so what the government said to them was, well,

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Speaker 2: I hate to be the one to explain how chronology works,

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Speaker 2: who's one of the leaders of this occupation? He says,

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Speaker 2: quote in his long quote, but I think it's worth it.

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Speaker 2: This is our last gasp as a sovereign people. And

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Speaker 2: if we don't get these treaty rights recognized as equal

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Speaker 2: they are, then you might as well kill me, because

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Speaker 2: what have you. They're treating this as a silly matter,

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Speaker 2: just as they've treated Indian people throughout history. We're tired

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to die when I walk into Pine

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Speaker 2: Ridge and Dickie's goons feel like I should be off.

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Speaker 2: That's not the way I'm going to die. I'm going

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Speaker 2: setting that a group of radicals, when the minds of

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Speaker 2: not asking for any radical changes. We're just asking for

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, I feel like that's what I say every

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stick to the terms of the eighteen sixty eight

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Speaker 1: Treaty is a moderate demand. Absolutely, get the hell off

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Speaker 1: right totally. And like the fact that they're willing to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know what else is a huge concession. The

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Speaker 2: fact that concessions, Oh that's good, I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: I was picturing it like you're a movie theater and

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know. I'm a live man. Im' be copyrighted.

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Speaker 2: Go buy some popcorn from our advertisers. Here it goes.

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Speaker 2: Here they are, and we're back. So by April fifth,

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Speaker 1: See every time you say that the US government breaks a.

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Speaker 2: Promise, I know, but every time I don't say it,

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Speaker 2: everyone in Wounded kne disarmed.

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Speaker 1: That's a different thing from what they said before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's some bad history of people in Wounded

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Speaker 2: Knee being asked to disarm. Yeah, it is less that

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Speaker 2: not changed in the fucking slightest.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, history doesn't repeat itself so much as the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Uh so, they literally just want to disarm

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Speaker 2: the rebels and Wounded Knee after lying about being willing

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Speaker 2: do that. We will disarm only if everyone in Wounded

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Speaker 2: the government is like flabbergasted. They're like what, there's like

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Speaker 2: all of these like long quotes from cops who are like,

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Speaker 2: a gun. It's all I have. Yeah, this because gun

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Speaker 2: control is all It's fucking been in the United States,

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Speaker 2: is we want the guns in the hands of cops,

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Speaker 2: not indigenous people resisting colonization. So by April eighth, folks

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Speaker 2: were like, well, then I guess it's a long fucking

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Speaker 2: siege because they didn't given supplies were carried in by supporters,

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Speaker 2: I believe, both Indigenous and non Indigenous, who carried them

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Speaker 2: through the snow at night, hiking for miles with forty

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Speaker 2: pound bags of food past two different fucking encirclements, right, incredible, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: one of which that's so brave. I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: through the like militia blockade, because that's the one. No,

433
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: they would both shoot you, I don't know.

434
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like the I Yeah, it's it's very much

435
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: a like six on one. It's like if somebody, if somebody,

436
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: if I'm hiking past militia and cops or army or whatever,

437
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: and like a scary noise happens, I know they're both

438
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: going to open fire from all directions, you know.

439
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: And shoot each other. And then you're actual.

440
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: Shooting each other. I'm going to get shot. I'm going

441
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: to go to jail after having been shot for them

442
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: shooting each other, like it's a bad scene. It's very scary.

443
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: I'm the that's very cool that people did that.

444
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: Many were arrested, but more kept coming. And there was

445
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: one particular outrageous stunt that like there's a whole book

446
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: about three planes parachuted in fifteen hundred pounds of food.

447
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, And this was like all these like Vietnam

448
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: Vet hippie types, you know, and it was like so cool.

449
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: They yeah, that's awesome.

450
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they and they like get a plane? Was that?

451
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: Where did they get a plane? Well, that was a

452
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: big part of it. They had like they were going

453
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: to do this one plane and then it wasn't big enough.

454
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: So then they were like, we're gonna get this really

455
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: big plane, but then they couldn't get it. So then

456
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: they were like, we're gonna take these three small planes

457
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: and then like one of them like I think, god,

458
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: oh god, I didn't write it into the script. I

459
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: think one of them like lost its tail during part

460
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: of the fucking delivery. I think it might have gotten shot.

461
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: I can't remember. And it still did it, and they

462
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: like amazing. They they did some seriously bad ashit to

463
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: get fifteen hundred pounds of food into this occupation.

464
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I like during the seventies, security at airports was basically like, well,

465
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: if you walk up and wave a piece of paper,

466
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: you can probably steal a plane.

467
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: Oh they didn't steal the plane. They rented planes or

468
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: like they were all like a bunch of pilots. They

469
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: were like flying their planes and like oh shit, okay, no,

470
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: this is like this is like piloty people who are like, hell, yeah,

471
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: is what we're gonna do.

472
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: This isn't just people who came back from Vietnam knowing

473
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: how to fly planes. This is people who were like

474
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: still flying planes as their job and like hat access

475
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: to planes.

476
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: I think that they were back in renting planes. I

477
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: can't remember.

478
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know where you get planes, like, I don't

479
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how this works. But no, awesome.

480
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: I think some people had their own plane and some people.

481
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: I listened to a really long thing about it that

482
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: was totally worth listening to. But there's a lot of

483
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: ins and outs that I didn't write into it. But

484
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: what lanes were obtained, planes were obtained, food was dropped.

485
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: Government snipers try to kill the children who went out.

486
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: To get it.

487
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: Jesus sometimes it gets represented or like as possibly understood

488
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: by its participants, not only as more of a long

489
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: hair versus short hair fight than red versus white, because

490
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: a good chunk of the people laying siege were those

491
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: goons and like Bia and all these folks right, a

492
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: lot of them are indigenous, short hair indigenous folks and

493
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: their short hair vigilante white allies. While the guys flying

494
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: airplanes of food in were these like long haired white guys.

495
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Ah right, And at one point, to Ali suspicions.

496
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: That also didn't realize the plane guys were white.

497
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, I couldn't promise all of them are,

498
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 2: but I believe they're probably not. At one point, in

499
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: order to Ali suspicions, they pretended that they were a

500
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: rock band who was going to air drop sound equipment

501
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: ahead of a show.

502
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: You know how rock bands, how rock bands are always

503
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: how rock bands have their own air force and are always.

504
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: They're like, we're metal Acalypse, Yeah, we're spinal tap yeah,

505
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: and so and then absolutely this is about indigenous rights.

506
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: But length of hair was a powerful symbol at them.

507
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The establishment in the sixties and seventies was

508
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: absolutely terrified of anybody whose hair went past their ears. Yeah.

509
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: April seventeenth, a Cherokee occupier named Frank Clearwater was gunned

510
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: down in a firefight less than twenty four hours after

511
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: he arrived. I read one version where he actually wasn't

512
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: in the firefight. The firefight was happening and he was

513
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: like in the church. Another man who died is a

514
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: way murkier situation. A black civil rights activist named Ray

515
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: Robinson showed up and then was never seen again. And

516
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: there's an awful lot of versions about of this story,

517
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: and I suspect everyone's lyne Frankly. The most likely thing

518
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: is that AM activists killed him for one reason or

519
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: another and buried his body. It's never been found. Some

520
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: folks say that he was killed because people thought he

521
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: was an FBI spy. Others say that they killed him

522
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: in self defense, that he came at people with a knife.

523
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: Other folks, generally anti AIM folks, say that personality conflicts

524
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 2: made some people really angry, and that he came in

525
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: preaching nonviolence and wouldn't pick up a gun in a firefight,

526
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: and people were like, you fucking coward. No one who

527
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: knows is talking like some of the AM leaders are

528
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: like I've never heard that name, and people are like

529
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: this guy like, no, I don't know, I don't know

530
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: anything about him. This won't be This isn't the only

531
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: potential murder by Aim during their years. Just but I

532
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: don't know the I don't know. Yeah, the government would

533
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: turn water off and on again to fuck with people.

534
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: They couldn't turn it off permanently because it would disrupt

535
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: water to the outlying areas where like white people might live.

536
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: You know.

537
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: It was during the Wounded Knee too, during Wounded Knee Too.

538
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't have a there's no definite article here that

539
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: Marlon Brando refused an oscar for his performance in the

540
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: Godfather and had an Indigenous woman named Sashine Little Feather

541
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: give a speech in his place. It's a pretty it's

542
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: worth watching.

543
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: I think she was only only able to give a

544
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: tiny part of the speech. Yes, is what I remember

545
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: hearing that she had the two of them had collaboratively

546
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: written a long statement that she was supposed to read,

547
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: and she basically got thirty seconds to give a statement

548
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: and then was like rushed out there before John Wayne

549
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: could beat the shit out of her, which she was

550
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: attempting to do.

551
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Yep, and in the prepared speech, which she then later

552
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: read to press, it specifically talked about Wounded Knee. God

553
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: forgot about the John Wayne and forget about the John

554
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: Wayne part. I tried to forget about the John Wayne Park,

555
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: you know.

556
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, like a real piece of shit, that guy.

557
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Black Power icon Angela Davis tried to enter Wounded

558
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Knee in March and was turned away by the Feds.

559
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: They're like, you're dangerous, you can't come in.

560
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Does that mean she got past the goons?

561
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 5: Oh?

562
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, probably, I don't know. Buddy Lamont was the

563
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: next defender to be killed by the Feds. He was

564
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: struck down by a sniper. His great grandparents were with

565
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: Crazy Horse at Greasy Grass Creek. His great aunt and

566
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: great uncle were murdered in Wounded Knee one. Buddy had

567
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: gone off to Vietnam, idealistic and young, thinking he was

568
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: fighting so his family could sleep safe at home. Then

569
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: once he was home, he went to Wounded Knee. He

570
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: wrote to his mother during the occupation, if anything happens

571
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: to me, just bury me at Wounded Knee. I don't

572
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: want to be any trouble, so just bury me in

573
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: my bunker. The government stole his body for an awfully

574
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: long time and basically ransomed it back. And there's like

575
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: quotes from like when the like one of the Feds

576
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: like sees how he died and is like, Oh, we're

577
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: gonna have to change our story. Fuck. This is kind

578
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: of near the end. May second, a government negotiator promised

579
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: that he had the authority to ensure the government would

580
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: discuss the Treaty of eighteen sixty eight with the indigenous chiefs.

581
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: On May fifth, they led in a delegation of White

582
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: House representatives to inspect the place, and at this point

583
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: they were planning to surrender. They had this promise and

584
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: the death of Buddy had destroyed a lot of them morale.

585
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: So on May ninth, the defenders surrendered, half starved, with

586
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: an agreement that a delegation from the White House would

587
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: meet with their chiefs.

588
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: And shot, we don't need to go through the.

589
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh you know again. By May thirty first, the

590
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: US government didn't bother to show up to discuss anything

591
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: with the chiefs. They sent a letter from A Nixon aid.

592
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: None of the Feds or the goons were ever indicted,

593
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: but more than five hundred Indigenous people were indicted for

594
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: their participation or support. One hundred and eighty four people

595
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: had their charges stick, mostly the men, because the government

596
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: figured to be harder to convince a jury that the

597
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 2: women who were there in numbers two were evil terrorists

598
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know. And it was near the end

599
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: of this occupation that Leonard Peltier gets out of jail

600
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: on bail. He was on his way to support the

601
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: occupation with food relief when the occupation fell. He you know,

602
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: he was out on bail for like attempted murder of

603
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: two cops. He was like, I'm not going to get

604
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: a fucking fair trial. So he skips his bail, he

605
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: goes underground and becomes a fugitive. And it is possible

606
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: that the occupation was the high point of aim organized

607
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: and afterwards the divisions start to manifest more strongly. There

608
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: are a few sources of tension. There's personality conflicts, there's

609
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: centralized versus decentralized structure. There's to what degree discipline is

610
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: required of members. There's whether or not members are required

611
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: to drink or not or no one's being required to drink,

612
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: whether members are allowed to drink, And then there's militancy

613
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: One of their big splits was basically like do we

614
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: take up arms and go to war against the US.

615
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: At this point, Dennis Banks and Russell Means were more

616
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: or less the figureheads of the two sides. Banks wanted

617
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: discipline in sobriety, Means and crow Dog were fine with drinking.

618
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: Everyone is accusing everyone of being FEDS. Some of this

619
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: terms violent.

620
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: Nothing ever changes.

621
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've thought about this a bunch, and I decided

622
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: I don't want to get it too into the ins

623
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: and outs of these divisions. Like half of what you

624
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: read about AIM are these divisions and these like personality

625
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: conflicts and then like real stuff that matters that happen

626
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: between them and so. But I don't want to talk

627
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: about too much, partly because it's really messy and complicated,

628
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: and partly because I think that a move from the

629
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: early seventies had divisions fostered by co intel pro is

630
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: a better way to understand what happened than Yeah, that

631
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: he said, she said, unless you unless someone wants to

632
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: really get into it, you.

633
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: Know, right, and like trying to rehash those conflicts right,

634
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: probably just like does the work of of come intel.

635
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: Pro right, And it's only worth pointing them out because

636
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: we also need to be able to learn from our past.

637
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: And these are some of the things that people were

638
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: divided along. But one thing that's sort of helped in

639
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: an awful way. Banks and Means are soon on trial

640
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: together for their role and wounded knee. They basically are

641
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: like taken out from the rest and like because they're like, oh,

642
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: we're going to fuck these two, you know, We're like,

643
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: these are the two, right, everyone else we're gonna get,

644
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: but like, we're going to really get these two. So

645
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: they have an eight month trial. The judge starts off

646
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: assuming that the FBI and the prosecution are right, and

647
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: like starts off with a bias against the defense, but

648
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: he guess angrier and angry at the prosecution's deliberate mishandling

649
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: of evidence. Banks and Means were found not guilty on

650
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: one charge, and the judge dismissed the rest, basically being like, seriously, prosecution,

651
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: what the fuck is wrong with you? The case against

652
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: them was so bad that seven of the jurors went

653
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: on a campaign for the rest of the charges against

654
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: the remaining defendants to be dropped. Almost all of the

655
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: remaining cases were dismissed or folks were found not guilty.

656
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: I think Crodog and a few other people served some

657
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: time for wounded need to. So the government was like, fine,

658
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: we give up. You totally got away with it. You

659
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: can have all your stuff, just kidding. If the courts

660
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: don't work, the Feds, the militias and awe on, Dick

661
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: Wilson will just fucking fight dirty. In nineteen seventy four,

662
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: I didn't fall for it at that time. Yeah no, yeah,

663
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: I'm pretty gullible, but you did. In nineteen seventy four,

664
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: Dick Wilson stole his own re election versus Russell Means

665
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: Like the Commission of the US Commission of Civil Rights

666
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: said more than a third of the ballots were tempered

667
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: with and on election night his goons had been out

668
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: shooting into the air and terrifying people, but the judicial

669
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: system was like, n he's our guy, and he stayed

670
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: in office. He then tried to drive everyone who voted

671
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: for Means off the reservation at gunpoint, like this is

672
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: the most corrupt man in the history of corrupt.

673
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Then, you know, I mean and and like that is

674
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: some like dictator of a small nation. Shit that is

675
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: not like local, that is not local politics as usual, right, totally,

676
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: it's like, man, we better win the city council seat

677
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: or we will be evicted by the new.

678
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: Like holy shit, Yeah, totally from the place that are

679
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: like people have lived forever.

680
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: You know.

681
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: By nineteen seventy five, everyone who remained was armed and

682
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't walk around alone because his goons were killing so

683
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: many people. Yeah, sixty four people were murdered that year,

684
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: according to Aim. The FBI claims otherwise, I know which side.

685
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm more like that I'm not taking their word for

686
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: any of this at this point.

687
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: No, the town had the highest crime rate in the

688
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: country that year. And the death that makes me saddest

689
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: is that an eleven year old lost his life when

690
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: he found the rifle his parents had to keep in

691
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: order to keep him and themselves safe from the goons,

692
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: and he died. And I think that there's just like

693
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: a specific tragedy in the fact that sometimes people need

694
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: to do cost benefit analysis and shoost to firearms in

695
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: situations that are dangerous, and my heart breaks for his parents.

696
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 2: So Dick Wilson, eventually he kind of goes too far.

697
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: A bunch of the white lawyer, a bunch of white lawyers.

698
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't wait to hear what ends up

699
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: being too far for this guy?

700
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: He attacks some white people.

701
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about white people. Yeah, no, because the

702
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: lawyers is just wild because I am white people.

703
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: I know, and you're a lawyer, you're our lawyer. No,

704
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: just don't.

705
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 5: All right.

706
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: So a bunch of like lawyers for AIM are there

707
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: and he like shoots up their airplane and shit, like

708
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: he's like personally involved in this attack. He like personally

709
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: shows up to shoot at an airplane for the lawyers.

710
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the lawyers are no longer, but like,

711
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 6: lawyers are like not the people you want to go

712
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 6: after if you're trying to avoid legal consequences, because lawyers

713
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 6: are legal consequences.

714
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: They have those.

715
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it still doesn't. So so he doesn't shoot up

716
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: the plane while they're in it. He shoots it up

717
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: while they're not in it. But then he like threat

718
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 2: and then he like smashes up their car while they're

719
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: in it, and he's like saying things like now you've

720
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: got a real res car because it's like fucked up,

721
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: you know. And so he finally gets indicted, so he

722
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: does this thing, which is clever but it doesn't work.

723
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: But it kind of works since he's like, he's the government, right,

724
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: he finds himself ten dollars for his actions.

725
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: And then when the Feds, man, I wish he weren't

726
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: such a piece of shit because that's hilarious.

727
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 2: I yeah. So then when the Feds take him to court,

728
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, this is double jeopardy. I've already.

729
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh, he's literally doing the cop thing like I've already

730
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: investigated myself.

731
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: And well he's already been found guilty. He had to

732
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: pay ten dollars. You can't hold someone, you know, like,

733
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: you can't take someone a trial for the same crime twice, right.

734
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: That is that is like some legal advice that the

735
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: lawyer's on arrested development would give.

736
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And so this doesn't work. They're like, you

737
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: can't do that where the Feds we don't give a

738
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: shit about your fucking petty kingdom. But they quitted him

739
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: anyway because he's the government's boy.

740
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Oh shit, wow, it did work out for him.

741
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you want to be acquitted, then you

742
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: should listen into our primary sponsor. Don't talk to cops, hi,

743
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoy here, boy, the world sure is a mess

744
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: right now. Huh. Seems like every day there are more

745
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: and more reasons to get out into the streets and protest.

746
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: That's why when I get arrested, there's only one strategy.

747
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: I trust. I shut the fuck up. I say, I

748
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: would like to remain silent, I would like to talk

749
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: to my lawyer, and then I shut the fuck up.

750
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: In the United States of America, it's constitutionally protected and

751
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: recommended by the National Lawyers Guild. That's shut thch f

752
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: u c k up. Once again, that's shut thch e

753
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: f uck up. Because you can't talk yourself out of custody,

754
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: but you can talk yourself into a conviction.

755
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 5: Providing identification to law enforcement required in some states and

756
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 5: situations giving them an address expedient in most circumstances. Never

757
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 5: discuss the events leading to arrest with anyone except your lawyer, doctor,

758
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 5: or therapist. Posting pictures of protests and actions on social

759
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 5: media may lead to complications. If you have already talked

760
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 5: to cops or experienced confusion about talking to cops, call

761
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: your attorney immediately, as these may be signs of more

762
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 5: serious legal problems. The concept of not talking to cops

763
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 5: does not provide legal advice, and the foregoing statements are

764
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 5: for informational purposes only. If you have specific legal questions,

765
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 5: consult an attorney, and we're back.

766
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: So conditions are not great. Leonard Peltieri's on the run,

767
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: but he is not afraid of a fight. So by

768
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five he goes up to Pine Ridge and

769
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: he's helping out alongside a bunch of other AIM folks

770
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: and their stronghold. AIM stronghold is on the land of

771
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: a family named Jumping Bull. They have a whole camp

772
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: out with like thirty plus people living there, and they're

773
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: more and more like trying to live in more traditional

774
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 2: ways while they do it, and it's a they're doing

775
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: really cool shit, like completely unrelated to the fighting the

776
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: government stuff. AM warriors are out walking thirty a night

777
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: to keep people safe, doing patrols. Whenever a house is

778
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: shot up by goons, because this happens like fairly regularly,

779
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 2: the goons will be like, hey, fuck you and shoot

780
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: up a house, which is a whole thing that people

781
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: don't talk about much with like rural organizing. I've the

782
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: first time I spent much time in West Virginia. The

783
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: all these like anti mountaintop removal miners were like having

784
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: their houses shot up and stuff by like the pro

785
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: There's just a lot people can get away with a

786
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: certain type of specific thing in rural areas.

787
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say, Yeah, yeah, and shooting

788
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: up buildings is much more like a thing that happens,

789
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, in where you can just just kind of

790
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: do that and drive away and you're the only vehicle

791
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: on the road for thirty miles. You're you're gonna be fine.

792
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: Right, So, whenever a house is shot up by goons,

793
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: AIM is there, armed, ready to keep the family safe.

794
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: They're also chopping firewood for elders. They're like re roofing stores.

795
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: They're counseling people through alcoholism. They're running bingo nights. They're

796
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: just doing community work. They're doing the har thankless work

797
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: of keeping a community together through crisis. All the while

798
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: they're talking about the treaties and they're talking about sovereignty.

799
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 2: The AIM collective operated collectively. The vehicles, firearms, and food

800
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: were all collectively possessed by all the folks doing that,

801
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: and the women in town, not just the AIM women.

802
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: They made a game of tearing down all the wanted

803
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: posters for Peltier because they kept the government in Bia

804
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: like kept putting up all the wanted posters for him,

805
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: and so finally they had to put the posters like

806
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: behind glass frames and all this shit, you know, by

807
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: June first, nice, fine, Yeah.

808
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: That's that's nice. That's nice. Solidarity. Yeah, totally down wanted

809
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: posters of your guy.

810
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, because everyone knows he's there. Yeah, you know, by

811
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: June first.

812
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: No, there's no point pulling down the wanted posters if

813
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: he's not there.

814
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: Totally. By June first, nineteen seventy five, the Pine Ridge

815
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: Traditional Sheet chiefs in Llcuting Charlie Redcloud, the ninety year

816
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: old grandson of the previous Red Cloud, signed a formal

817
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: resolution of sovereignty like once again like one of the

818
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: primary things that Indigenous people keep doing is restating that

819
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: they are a sovereign people, a sovereign nation, and there

820
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: is good I hope they succeed. I hope it sticks.

821
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Around this time, a BIA cop shot Russell Means, who survived, so,

822
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: of course, the cop then charged Russell Means for assaulting

823
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: an officer. Right and Aim put out a statement that

824
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: its members were to shoot back when fired upon even

825
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: by law enforcement. So things are ramping up, and it's

826
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: important to understand the way things are ramping up as

827
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 2: gets to what we're gonna talk about now. On June

828
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, nineteen seventy five, two FEDS and two BIA

829
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: cops showed up to Jumping Bull's property asking around about

830
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: a nineteen year old named Jimmy Eagle who was wanted

831
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: for stealing some cowboy boots and like maybe beating some

832
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 2: guys up. They had no warrant and they were shoot away.

833
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: The two FEDS waited nearby and harassed more youth.

834
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: Knowing them away is exactly what you should do if

835
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: the FEDS show up at your.

836
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: Door without a warrant. Yeah, They're like, you don't have

837
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: a warrant, this is trespassing, get.

838
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Out, Yeah, fuck off.

839
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: Then the fateful day the next day, June twenty sixth,

840
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: the two FBI agents come back to the stronghold of Aim.

841
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: They want us to believe that two FEDS drove onto

842
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: the reservation and into the heart of ames thing even

843
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: though they knew about the whole like shoot back resolution

844
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: over stolen cowboy boots. This is possible. It's possible that

845
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: it is just outright arrogance that brought them to that place.

846
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: But the day before, Dick Wilson had just illegally transferred

847
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: an eighth of the reservation proper over to the US government.

848
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: What a coincidence, and even wilder coincidence, the BIA swat

849
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: team is just in the area doing maneuvers that day.

850
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, this definitely sounds This definitely sounds like some people

851
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: who care deeply about stolen boots.

852
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Although I wonder whether the two FBI aight

853
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: because it does not go well for them. They might

854
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: have just been set up. They might have just been pawns.

855
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody ever accused of the US government of like

856
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: caring too much about the people who work for it.

857
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: Either had totally Whatever the cause, these two FEDS show

858
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: up into the center of an Aim compound and a

859
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: firefight breaks out at two hundred yards with firing from

860
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 2: the two houses the I don't know who shot first.

861
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: My money is on Aim shooting first, but I don't

862
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: get whatever. Both federal agents were wounded, one mortally wounded.

863
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: He was probably going to when someone Probably no one

864
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: will ever know for certain except for whoever this is,

865
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: if they're still alive, walked up and executed them at

866
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: close range, and it'll come up later that the gun

867
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: that executed them was an Air fifteen shooting two two

868
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: three ammunition. Agents responded as backup. Agents responding as backup

869
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: were fired upon and a standoff occurs during which one

870
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: AIM member, Joe Killswright, was killed. He was wearing one

871
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: of the FBI agent's jackets when he died, or as

872
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: one journalist who the one journalist who photographed the body

873
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: suggested that actually the jacket was put on him after

874
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: based on where the blood wasn't wasn't on that jet. Meanwhile,

875
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: goons and white militias show up to the area too,

876
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: as do AIM supporters. So now there's like twenty AM members.

877
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: They're on the land. The non combatants have got now

878
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: by and large, there's a couple like younger boys who

879
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: surrender at this point, and fortunately they successfully surrender through

880
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: lots of complicated stuff. The twenty A members who are left,

881
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: they're like, if we stick around, we're all going to

882
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: die today. And so they escaped. And the way they

883
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: did that is they figured that south was the more

884
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: likely way. There was like they had they had one

885
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: of the radios because they had killed, you know, two

886
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: of the Feds. Yeah, say, they had the radio and

887
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: so they knew that there was less of a blockade

888
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: to their south, and so they started south and they

889
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: weren't sure exactly which way to go, and they followed

890
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: an eagle through the woods that like waited for them,

891
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: and then they would like stop and then they would

892
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: fly and show them this is the way to go

893
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: now and stuff, you know. And the path that they

894
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: took took them through the blockade. Like the path they

895
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: took was blocked except for a brief moment when the

896
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: agents took a break to go get a drink of water.

897
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: Like literally, we have the like transcripts of the radio community,

898
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: right and it was like hey, like since we're all

899
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: about to attack, like y'all aren't as important right now,

900
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: you can take a five minute break, you know.

901
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

902
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: And this is when the twenty A members get through

903
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: the blockade. Eventually they're spotted. Incredible, I know, and it's

904
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like, yeah, no, that that happened,

905
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Eventually they're they're spotted as they're moving

906
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: up this big open hill, right, they're on the other

907
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: side of the road. They're outside the blockade, and the

908
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: cops are shooting at them and chasing, but they're delayed

909
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: by warning shots coming from their treating AIM members and

910
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: to hear the AIM folks talk about it, the BIA

911
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: cops actually the indigenous cops weren't trying too hard to

912
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: aim well at them, and no one was injured on

913
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: either side. A crowd of supporters formed at the barricades,

914
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: and while they're like moving up this hill, these two

915
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 2: young men on horseback just like ride up and escort them,

916
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: and they are like, what are you doing. Like they're like, oh,

917
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: we're here to help. And they're like are you even armed?

918
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: And they're like we got twenty two. Like it's fine,

919
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: you know.

920
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: God damn and and help. It's very cool.

921
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they can like and the Feds can like

922
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: see it all I think binoculars and shit. There's also

923
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: a there's a government plane that's like following their escape,

924
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: but eventually it has to go for more fuel and

925
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: they get away. They you know, lose the trek at

926
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: that point and then they go and they like stay

927
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: with supporters and shit like that, and they go underground.

928
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: And also while they're fleeing Indigenous residents from elsewhere in

929
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: the reservation are firing at the FEDS from other positions,

930
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: which slows them down and keeps them from pursuing. It

931
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: is nearly certain that they all would have been killed

932
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: if they hadn't escaped the blockade. AIM refuse to apologize

933
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: for the killing. They stuck by their people. Eventually, a

934
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 2: couple of weeks later, are Peltier flees in an RV.

935
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: It gets pulled over in Oregon and he flees on foot,

936
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: and he covers his escape by firing at the state

937
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: trooper and he gets away. He gets into Canada. Two

938
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: other AM members, Robert Robadou who's Peltier's cousin, and Dino Butler,

939
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: are arrested for this. One other person's arrested in and

940
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: they're like, no, we don't have enough charges. He won't stick.

941
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: So these two, Robert and Dino go on trial for

942
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: killing these agents. The federal jury found them not guilty

943
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: by way of self defense. They were justified for shooting

944
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: those officers according to the US courts.

945
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: Wow, people do not often get found not guilty for

946
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: reasons of self defense while shooting Feds. While shooting feds. Yeah.

947
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: Wow, And the big thing about it is that they're

948
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: like the only they weren't. The whoever walked up and

949
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: executed the cops who were wounded is the person that

950
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 2: would not be able to get away with a self

951
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: defense case. Essentially, according to the sort of way that

952
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: all this court shit is going to unfold, On February sixth,

953
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, Leonard Peltier is arrested in Alberta, Canada.

954
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: His trial was fuckery from the start. An Indigenous woman

955
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: named Myrtle Porbear was coerced into giving false testimony against him.

956
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: She later retracted her statement, admitting she didn't even know

957
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: Peltier personally and she wanted to testify against the FBI.

958
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: The judge wouldn't let her, claiming that she was incompetent.

959
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: Two other witnesses recanted, claiming that they were also coerced

960
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: into their testimony by the FBI. He was also on

961
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: trial for two killings that another trial had already proven

962
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: were self defense and the like. The core of their

963
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: argument is that they were executed with two two, three

964
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: or five five six is the same thing. They were

965
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: killed but with an AR fifteen, and Leonard Peltier was

966
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: According to these witnesses, the only person with an AR fifteen.

967
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: These are the witnesses who later said, no, that was

968
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: all a lie. I had to say that because they

969
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: were threatening me and you know, coursing me and all

970
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: this shit. Right, Yeah, there was no like material evidence around,

971
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 2: like the firing pin, like there was no forensic evidence

972
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: that linked Peltier's gun to the Casnes that killed the cops.

973
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: All the testament. It was a farce of a trial.

974
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: Leonard Peltier claims his innocence. He holds that he shot

975
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: at the agents, but that he was not the person

976
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: who went up.

977
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: In the court has already determined that shooting at the

978
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: agents is self right fence.

979
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 2: And I had a long time ago, and I didn't

980
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: specifically read this while doing this research this week. I

981
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: read a long time ago that the judge specifically told

982
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: either didn't allow the jury to hear or didn't told

983
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: the jury not to consider the fact that it was

984
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 2: proven self defense in a different court case.

985
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: That's fascinating.

986
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he gets two consecutive life sentences despite that,

987
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: you know, fucking everything, right. In nineteen seventy seven, he

988
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: went to prison. In nineteen seventy nine, he did what

989
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: many cool people who do cool stuff did, which is

990
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: he broke out of prison yeay, along with two others.

991
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: One of those escapees, Dallas Thundershield, was shot dead by

992
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: a guard just outside the prison. Another was caught a

993
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: mile behind the walls. Peltier made it for three days

994
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: before he was caught after stealing food money truck from

995
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: a farmer to aid his escape. Peltier claims his innocence.

996
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: The cop who arrested him in Canada said that Peltier

997
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: was extradited illegally and didn't get a fair trial. When

998
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: you have your arresting officer, yeah, claiming this. I would

999
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: support Peltier either way. Just to be clear, we support

1000
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: our political prisoners even when they're innocent. But there's a

1001
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: reason that to talk about this case, I wanted to

1002
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: spend two episodes on the treatment of Lakota people in

1003
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: the nineteenth and two episodes on their treatment in the

1004
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: twentieth century, because I think that context is necessary to

1005
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: understand the self defense case. You know, Yeah, the movement

1006
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: for his clemency and its specifically he wants clemency, not

1007
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: a pardon, because he's like, I didn't fucking do it.

1008
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to pardon. He's like, I will not

1009
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: accept a pardon because I didn't do it. I did

1010
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: not you know. The movement for his clemency has included

1011
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: everyone from Nelson, Mandela, Mother Teresa, the European Parliament. The

1012
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: UN's Human Rights Council released an analysis analysis of his

1013
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: detention showing that it breaks three articles from the Universal

1014
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: Declaration of Human Rights. The fucking Pope tried to convince

1015
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: Obama to commute his sentence. The US attorney who supervised

1016
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: the prosecution against Peltier has tried multiple times to get

1017
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: Peltier free, saying that the case that he ran was bad.

1018
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is it's a real fringe position. Yeah,

1019
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: only wild people fringe stuff. Yeah, totally. The US attorney

1020
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: said to the Chicago Tribune that the case against Peltier

1021
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: was quote a very thin case that would likely not

1022
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: be upheld by courts today. It is a gross overstatement

1023
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: to label Peltier as a cold blooded murderer on the

1024
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: basis of the minimal proof that survived appeals in his case.

1025
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: So Obama was like, now I'm good, thank the FBI.

1026
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: My boys, fuck it, I don't care and Peltier is

1027
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: still in prison, but he has something that he wants

1028
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: to say to us. Because the reason that I had

1029
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 1: Miriam on this show is that Miriam's partner is one

1030
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: of his lawyers and was in communication with him about this. Yeah,

1031
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: that is that is the big reveal that we teased

1032
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: last episode. This episode, I don't know whenever. My partner

1033
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: is one of the many lawyers on this on this case,

1034
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: and mister Peltier is sent a statement from prison which

1035
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: I am honored to read. Now, the Black Hills are

1036
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: a holy place to the Lakota Nation. The Fort lermi

1037
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: Tree eighteen sixty eight pledged that the Great Sioux Reservation,

1038
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: including the Black Hills, would be set apart for the

1039
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of the Lakota Nation.

1040
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: The US military was obligated by law to keep settlers

1041
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: and prospectors from trespassing into the Black Hills, but law

1042
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: is meaningless if it is not enforced. The Fort Laramie

1043
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: Treaty has never lost its legal validity, but after the

1044
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: discovery of gold in the early eighteen seventies, the treaty

1045
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: was broken. The Black Hills were opened for settlement and

1046
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: illegally stolen from the Lakota Nation. These are our holy lands.

1047
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: After one hundred years, its long overdue for the treaty

1048
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: to be honored and for the United States to restore

1049
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: our sacred sites to us and stop robbing the minerals

1050
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: from the holy Earth as they have been doing for

1051
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: more than a century. Aim myself and many natives for

1052
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 1: generations fought for the return of the Black Hills, even

1053
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: though we had been so intimidated and so much violence

1054
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: done to us. Back in the seventies, the FBI tried

1055
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: to tell us that as a colonized people, we had

1056
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: to lay down and follow their rules. They did not

1057
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: understand that they were on our holy lands and that

1058
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: they were not following their own rules. Under Article six

1059
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: of the Constitution, treaties are the supreme law of the land.

1060
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: In order to abrogate or invalidate a treaty, Congress must

1061
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: make a clear statement of intent to terminate the treaty.

1062
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: The Treaty of eighteen sixty eight was never abrogated. Even

1063
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the

1064
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: Black Hills were never lawfully taken from the Lakota Nation.

1065
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: We have never stopped fighting for the Black Hills, and

1066
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: we never will. I also have a message for the

1067
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: young Natives out there. I know a lot of you

1068
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: are suffering. Know that we love you, we need you.

1069
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: You are part of us. Learn your language, learn your culture.

1070
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: Who you are and who we are has always been

1071
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: a good thing, and we need you to keep living

1072
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: and being good on the earth. Don't despair, resist despair,

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Speaker 1: and stand with us for the land, for the water,

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Speaker 1: for the people. In the spirit of Crazy Horse Leonard Peltier.

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Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 2: visit our website

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Speaker 1: Coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.