WEBVTT - “Mexico” 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.000 Camp Hell Anna Wake is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.440 The views and opinions expressing this podcast are solely those 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.600 of the author and participants and do not necessarily represent 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.640 those of I Heeart Media or its employees. Due to 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.520 discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners, discussion is advised. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.160 After hearing all the stories about Carabelle and how in 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.120 Awake had a hotel and marina built by the students, 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.840 I decided I had to see this for myself. I 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.720 booked myself a room at the Moorings of Carabelle, the 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.120 hotel built by an Awake which is still in operation, 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:42.640 and headed down to Carabelle. I just got into Carabell 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:47.159 after a quite hairy drive down a two lane Florida 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.680 highway in pouring rain. I've checked in and I am 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:56.840 at the moorings at Carabelle Hotel and Marina. This is 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.360 the same hotel and the same marina that those boys built. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.679 So I'm going to go out and speak with some 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.560 locals and see what I can't find out about the 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.200 town of Carabell. My first stop was to visit the 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:16.080 Carabell History Museum, a small local shrine to the fishing 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.280 town of Carabelle. I figured surely they had to know 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:24.360 about Antiwaki's history in the area. We really have taken 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.560 on the notion of gateway to the Gulf to go fishing, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.920 that that fishing charters and eco tourism have gotten really 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.760 big here. This is Tamara Allen. She runs the History 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.440 of Carabelle Museum. For a small town with no red light, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.319 it has an awful lot of history dating back to 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.880 the Native Seminole tribe in Civil War Arab battles. I 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.520 asked Tamara what she knew about Anawaki. To my surprise, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:58.160 it was very little. That is Panama City. We have 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.360 been coming here since the eighties. We were staying at 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.920 the Moorings. That was our place to stay, and we 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.640 were told we were the first like official people to 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.240 stay in the motel of the Moorings back in the 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.800 late eighties. And I just heard it was like a 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.359 rehab place for delinquent kids. And so at the time 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.440 I heard about the fact that it had been part 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.800 of of an Awaki, but I didn't know what that 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.520 meant because I'd say to people what happened and they 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.560 went and tell me, it's a big rabbit hole. What 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.360 Tamara did know was that the boys at the Antiwaki 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.720 South campus were a part of the community, going to 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:47.320 local schools and even churches. These children were students at 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.760 the facility, but they all went to high school with 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.440 other kids, so they made friends here with other kids. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.960 I do know that a lot of the kids went 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.079 to either the Baptists, from the Men to just church. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.400 People knew him in the community, and occasionally they would go. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.480 A group of them would go to a townsperson and 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.240 say we have to leave that place. Do you have 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.320 any where we could stay? Or they would try to 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.639 run away. They wanted to stay in school, They wanted 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.080 to just have a normal life here, but they didn't 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.480 want to be in the program, and some of the 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:25.200 kids ended up living here marrying local girls. Since I 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.240 had initially contacted Tamara, she had reached out to some 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.760 people she knew in the area who may have more 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.720 insight into what went on it in Awaki. Several people 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.400 said that a lot of the staff that worked there 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:43.720 were evil types of people that they abused the children 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:49.360 and particularly did things like just took a perfectly healthy 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.040 child and deliberately broke their arm or their leg if 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.000 they were missed behaving. I tried to see if Tamara 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.200 may be able to connect me with someone who may 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.520 have had a closer connection to the school I could 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:05.440 speak with. I started talking to people that I thought 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.400 might have a historical perspective, and then they were reluctant 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.280 to talk about it, which piqued my interest, I must say. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.680 And then I actually had somebody say to me, I 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.680 don't want to talk to that guy because I might 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.840 end up dead. They wouldn't even tell me what they 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.560 were talking about. And I said, help me understand that comment. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.000 I don't know what that means. He said, Well, a 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.880 lot of people talk to folks they ended up dead. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.200 They know that Peter had very high connections way up 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:41.480 in government in Florida and Georgia. Nobody that I've found 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.000 that works there wants to talk to you because they 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:51.000 are afraid they'll end up dead. Over the past several weeks, 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.320 we have received number of very serious allegations concerning both 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.080 the facility out there in a number of individuals involved 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.000 with him. It was just a wrong with their therapy. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.200 They were told to do it, and at the time 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.680 he was fourteen and a half fifteen years old. They 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.000 didn't know any better. I asked him, why are you 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.719 letting this happen? Why are you covering up for Louis Batter. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.800 He had no answer to that question. Having and this 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:23.960 sitution paid it of little could be such shock destricable place, 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.799 and did do absolutely the contrary of what they should 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.320 have done. I'm disturbed at the fact of something. He 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.680 was stilled, wat on it, and I wake you. I'm 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:42.120 Josh Stein, and this is camp hell in Awake. I 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.239 quickly realized it may be tougher than I originally thought 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.039 to speak with some locals about in Awake. Luckily I 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.719 managed to find a few people scattered throughout the town 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.400 who were willing to tell me what they remembered. I 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.160 guess I first heard about it when they started coming 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.520 to our school. I must have been six or seventh 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.000 grade when they first started coming to school. When I 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.039 went to school with them, I was Kathy Milliner and 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:13.599 I graduated with probably ten or fifteen of the guys 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.680 from anna Waki. I'm still good friends with a lot 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.120 of them that went to Annawaki that I graduated high 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.680 school with. I stay in contact. I married one right 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.960 out of high school. Just a lot of good friendships 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:33.159 that have remained over fifty years now. Were you interacted 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.839 with them regularly on through church? I mean that's you know, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.960 that's what they did. They ring they bring him to church. Actually, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.920 I think my daughter might have dated one of them 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.120 for a little bit there. I mean, not a daughter 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.000 by my sister. My sister. These kids would come in. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.640 I mean they had their white shirts and eyes. They 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.800 were just presented. Nice kids, good kids. They're learning, you know, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.680 they're learning how to better themselves. And they were very 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.839 polite and everything. But I think they're just happy that 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.760 get get out of the the environment that they were in. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.400 And we had no clue of it. We had no 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.560 really clue of it back then. We never heard about it, 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:16.840 you know. I went to see what the former grounds 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.520 of the inn Awaki work Camp, or Landside as it 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.720 was known, looked like today. The St. James Bay golf 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:29.000 course currently resides there. What was once untouched wildlife is 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:33.040 now a subdivision of sorts surrounding the course. I went 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.800 to eat at its resident grill. It's here where I 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.320 heard a harrowing story from my waitress regarding in Awaki. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.920 My knowledge is a second hand from a friend of 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.040 my father's I knew of one incident in particular where 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.200 a police officer who was working with some capacity UM 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.320 at the facility, took a young boy out into the 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.200 wooded area. A hunter was there. Um he didn't know 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.400 the hunter was there, but the hunter observed him having 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.400 sex with the with the boy. Was this voluntary? From 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.880 your understanding, it was not. It seemed to be more 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:17.400 of a punishment type situation. Surprisingly, this story sounded familiar. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.640 In fact, it showed that someone may have actually witnessed 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.320 one of the worst stories I heard in all of 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.960 my interviews. My name is Mark. My number was B 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:36.079 fourteen seventy four. I attended Anawaki from nineteen eighty four 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:44.320 March one to be exact, two about March one, nineteen six. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.679 At the time I was fifteen years old. My background 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.840 before I went into an awake he I came from 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.800 abusive household. Mom tried her best, Dad was very violent. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.240 Looking back on it now, there was just a lot 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:06.400 of negative talk, a lot of um destructive behavior. I 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:13.040 was just lost, very depressed, and after trying to commit 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:18.240 suicide a couple of times, just not understanding myself or 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.120 my emotions or who I was I um they put 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:30.720 me away in a adolescent psychiatric unit for emotionally disturbed children. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.120 I was at South Campus. That was my primary campus. Obviously, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.600 we all go through e en O in Douglasville, which 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:43.240 is Central Campus, and I was there twice, first time 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.720 when I was admitted, and then the second time after 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:52.000 an incident happened. Mark says that during his time in 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.480 Caribille that an Awaki had once again gotten itself in 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.520 the good graces with the local government. The fact that 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.400 would only hide what was going on behind the scenes. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.560 We were told that we were going to do a dance. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.000 It was my first dance Hanawake. He had two dances, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.959 Spring and Fall, and they had said that Governor Bob 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:18.840 Graham and his daughter was coming. I heard about that. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:24.280 I was really impressed that the governor's daughter was coming 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:29.520 paying Awake for the dance. Mark says that Antawaki's ties 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.040 with Florida Governor Bob Graham were so close has to 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:37.040 even send boys to his home to do work. We 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.280 went up there, and I don't think it was the 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.720 governor's mansion that we went to. I believe it was 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.840 his personal property because it seemed like a regular home. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.480 We went up and just kind of cleaned the flower 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.439 beds and trimmed hedges. It seemed like pretty much all 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.760 day we had a good time. There was a pool there, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.200 a couple staff members were there. Even with such close 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.600 ties to local government, the abuse of the Antiweki South 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.959 campus was just as bad, if not worse, than in Douglasville. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:18.280 On many occasions, I personally witnessed at least a good handful, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:25.319 maybe a dozen different times that staff members either physically abused, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:34.080 sexually abused, or just verbally abused students. Group members Mark 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.760 She had a personal story with me. Fair warning, it's 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.520 pretty rough to listen to. You may want to skip 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.080 ahead if that's too much for you. It came to 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.720 me kind of as a shock. I've never seen anything 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.280 like that. I never was traumatized by seeing it until 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.920 I walked back to my first campsite. I was able 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:00.120 to walk back with a pass three by five or 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.080 and I had to pick up something that I left 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.760 on campus. The staff member was a new staff member. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:11.080 He sent me back to the campsite and I heard 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:15.880 somebody crying, and it kind of scared me because I 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.240 didn't know what to do. So I just ran up 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.760 into the platform tent and one of my group members 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:29.880 was getting basically raped by a staff member, by a 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:35.360 unit supervisor. I didn't know this person at first. I mean, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.160 I knew my group member, but I didn't know the 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.720 staff member. And I was just so shocked to see 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.840 two people doing that. I've never seen anything like that. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.240 I never thought of anything like that. So I just 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.360 ran off. I was scared. I didn't know what to do. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.640 I didn't even I don't remember what I had to 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.880 go back and get. But I just ran and I 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.480 ran back, and my heart was going on a hundred 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.160 miles an hour. And I wanted to tell the new 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.560 staff member, but I knew it wasn't the right thing 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.679 to tell him. I I didn't trust this person, so 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.880 I asked him if I could go to the clinic. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.520 Next thing I know, I'm in the clinic. I tell 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.680 one of the nurses and I let her know what 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.760 was going on. First, I asked her if I could 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.360 speak to her. And I talked to her and I 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.400 told her and this has happened. I don't know what 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.200 to do. I need some help. Can you call the police? 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.640 What do we do? And she said, don't worry about it. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.760 I'll take care of it. The police already know about it. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.880 You're gonna be fine. Everything's gonna be okay. Just go 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.080 back to your group. I don't say anything to anybody, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.720 and everything will be fine. Three days later, I'm walking 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:47.320 back by myself again, and the same group later sent 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:52.240 me back to the campsite, and two men stepped off 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.760 of the trail grabbed me, and then Mr Phillips, who 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.760 has head of security, He's standing in front of me 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.760 and he smacks my face open hand smacks my face, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.120 and anyone can tell you. Mr Phillips was very big, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:13.360 he was very strong, and it just dazed me. And 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.840 the next thing I know, I'm on the ground and 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.960 Mr Phillips has kind of got his knee in the 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.560 back of my head between my shoulder blades, and they 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:28.040 pulled my pants down and both of the other staff 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:32.920 members raped me, and I just remember I couldn't breathe. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.480 It's funny because even today I can almost taste the sand. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.400 I can almost smell it, because everything is sandy in Florida. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.240 And after that, I just I guess I passed out 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.200 or I'm not sure what happened. Maybe I'm blocking it somewhere. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.920 But the next thing I remember was waking up in 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.640 the back of one of our passenger vands that they 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.960 used to transport us. We were in I think it 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:03.280 was Smim, small town in Georgia, and I woke up 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:08.320 and I had a really bad headache and my butt ched, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.400 and I couldn't figure out. I was like, I had 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.280 tape on my butt cheeks, and my butt cheeks were 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.520 taped together really super tight for some reason. And I 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:23.960 was wearing one of those in a waky green eno robes, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.440 and I had a medical bracelet on like you get 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.040 when you go to the hospital. And I kept on 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.400 wanting to scratch my backside and there was tape there 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:36.840 and I can't figure out what it was, and I 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.480 was confused. While I was in a van and one 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.520 of the staff members, there was two people driving for 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.080 one person driving another one past some year and then 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.560 another person was sitting a couple of seats ahead of me, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.960 and I was sitting all the way in the back 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.680 and he said, Mark, you're fine, because I started kind 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.840 of freaking out, and he goes, um, because you you 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.200 tried to hurt yourself, And I knew that was a 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.480 bunch of ship because I didn't try to hurt myself. UM, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:10.800 and I became scared all over again, and he said, uh, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.160 can we we're gonna stop at McDonald's. Would you like 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.000 something to eat and not a start? And I was 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.200 like sure, Yeah. Then I got to n O UM 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.720 went to a doctor uh in the clinic of Eno 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.960 and they looked at me and I had a staple 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.360 in my anus. They stapled it and some small stitches 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.239 had had some gauze that I had to change, and 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.080 they gave me a whole bunch of stuff. They were 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.200 really super nice this time. When I went to You know, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.720 I never got the rope thrown at me. Uh. Pretty 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.560 much got to be able to walk in and out 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.280 of my room whenever I wanted. I had a little 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.320 bit more privileges than the new guys getting there. But 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.520 they kept on telling me that I tried to commit suicide. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.960 And I was trying to tell another of the staff 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.360 members and you know, no, that's not what happened to me. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.680 This happened to me. He told me. He pulled me 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:09.600 out aside and took me back into the clinic area 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.800 and he told me, you don't want to talk about this. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.000 You don't want to say anything about this. They will 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:23.080 keep hurting you, and your parents will be notified and 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.000 you will never basically win this battle that you're trying 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.000 to fight. And he just told me to go back 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.040 and keep my mouth shut, and if anybody approached me, 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.520 just tell them that I wasn't interested and that I 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.280 had spoke to that staff member and to mention his name, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:47.040 and then by mentioning his name that was kind of 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:51.160 a key word that they would leave me alone. Mark 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.320 says that after this traumatic experience, he never spoke to 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.800 his parents about what they were told by the staff 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:03.720 of Innawaki until years later. Believe it or not, my 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:09.280 parents were told that I had tried to commit suicide 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:18.240 again anally, and I didn't know this until probably five 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.760 years ago. I knew they were told something, and we 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.879 just didn't talk about it. It was just one of 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.960 those things. My mom kind of buried her head in 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:48.439 the sand with a lot of stuff. After hearing Mark's 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.800 heartbreaking story, I found I kept hearing the same name 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.720 of the counselor who fartook in his abuse, Jim Phillips. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.720 Mr Phillips was a big man. He was a big guy. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.560 He was probably I'm gonna say, three hundred pounds. If 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.639 you didn't know him, you think that he would have 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.720 a kind heart. He would put himself like he'd be 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.359 want to help you and and you know the weird 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.560 way he would. He was a church going guy who 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.239 has claimed to be It's funny how that works. And 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.440 he also was involved with the sheriff Department down Carribelle, Florida, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:22.639 which is where I know Carripil Police Department at the time, 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.520 and the eighties was dirty as ship too. You can't 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:29.000 tell me they didn't know about this. This is David Whacker. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.080 He was a patient at Anniwiki South in Caribell. Mr 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.639 Phillips was there for the intimidation purpose. He was the 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.280 intimidation guy. He come. I remember one of the boys 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.280 had done something or I had gotten a fight, and 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.560 next time I saw him after him visiting Mr Phillips, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.760 he had more bruises in the black eyes and shaking 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.680 than I've ever seen another human being in my life before. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.320 You did not mess with that man. This man was 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.080 so strong, No lie, I've seen this man left the 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.240 back of a greyhound bus to change attire. You did 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.160 not argue with this man. If you argue with him, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.120 if you got on his wrong side, he would put 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.639 you through a concrete wall and a heartbeat and you 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.800 wouldn't know what hits you. David was a victim of 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.640 the sexual abuse taking place on the Caravel campus. He 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.359 claims that there may have been some type of exchange 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.840 in return for access to the boys taking place. This 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.719 is how he recalls the night his abuser took him 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.720 to what he believed was an auctioning off of the boys. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.400 Woke up. I actually felt him get off the bed. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:35.879 I thought he was going out to take a piss, 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:37.720 and then when he reached down there, I mean, of 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.800 course here, I thought, here, well, here we go again. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.040 Instead told me and come with him. So I said, okay, 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:44.520 on of course, I got up through my shoes on. 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.080 I followed him out the door. Next thing I know, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.399 I know, we're crossing over the creek. But for some 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.159 reason it wasn't of the bridge of somewhere else, and 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:53.680 we were able to cross over I was aware of 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.480 at the time. We could end up behind the toolship 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.159 that we had there. There was like another door in 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.840 the back, but it wasn't visible to just that you 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.440 had to either slide or move something out of the way. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.800 He opened the door too many come in. I came in. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.200 It was behind the tool shed. I remember him sliding 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.760 the door off to the right like you would a 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.119 screen door or a glass door. And then but it 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.800 wasn't glasses would. And then I followed him in there 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.760 and opened up to another the size of a master bedroom. Chairs, 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:33.480 two seated sofa, stuff like that. And then I was 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.560 I turned around. I had to face the wall. Everything 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.520 else I was. I was listening to voices, but I 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:41.919 recognized the voices. I knew Mr Brown was in there. 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.080 I knew Mr Phillipson there, and I aln't knew Mr 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.040 vanillas and there because he was when they escorted me there. 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.840 They're debating back and forth, others, what they who, which 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.400 which I'm assuming which child they want, who they want, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.320 what they want to do. It's like I said at 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.480 that time, I'm I'm facing a wall. Not actually I'm 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.639 trying to remember, trying to look and see who's beside me. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.040 To my left. In my right, oh your here is 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:12.000 bags and pleas And you know how don't the sounds 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:17.960 they haunt you too? Not just thinks matches to the sounds. Yeah, 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.359 so I'm facing the wall. There was carpet on the wall, 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.840 and I was picking at ittles. That's what I did. 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.040 I tried his zone out. You try to block everything. 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.520 When you're that young and you're facing guys twice your size. 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:34.960 You don't argue, you don't ask questions. You just do this. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.879 Your co that was probably there maybe fift maybe even 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:43.000 thirty minutes. Then Mr Finnell walks me out and then 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:44.880 we get back to the cabinet. And then I went 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.160 back in and I got my bed, face the wall, 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.280 pull the sheets over me as tight as I fucking could. 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.879 I just if you try to forget, but you never do. 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.840 Due to some luck, while in Cara Belle, I was 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.399 finally able to connect with someone who worked at the 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:11.520 inn Awaki South Campus. My name is Ron Doyle. I 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.880 worked in the mental health center in Tallahassee, and one 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.520 of the psychiatrists they're also worked down here and suggested 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.359 to me that this when I was finishing up my 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.439 master's degree, that this would be a good place for 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:27.000 me to work. And so I came down and interviewed 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.240 and was hired as a counselor. This was in night 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.000 Ron came to visit me at the Mornings Hotel, which 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.960 he helped build with the patients. It was a mixed bag. 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.719 I really loved working with the boys. I mean, these 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.040 were kids who needed a lot of help, and it 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:45.960 was an opportunity for me to learn and practice my 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.600 counseling skills. But there were a lot of things that 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.000 we're difficult. I worked a hundred and thirty hour work week. 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.600 Basically I had a day and a half off a week. 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:57.879 The rest of the time I was on duty. I 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.919 lived with the boys in the cabin us, and it 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.199 was intensive work. I asked Ron, if you thought it 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.840 was normal for the boys to be working on buildings 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.280 such as the hotel we were currently in at the time. 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:14.080 I did yes, because the labor that they were doing 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.639 was teaching them skills. It was providing structures that they 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.800 were actually using and benefiting from, except for this here 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.000 at the Mornings, which was a different thing. But at 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.440 the time we didn't know that. We thought we were 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.600 building it for their use and that the motel part 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:32.960 would be used for parents to stay when they came 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.159 to visit campus. It was used to that to some degree, 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.200 but I think for the most part. It was used 0:24:38.200 --> 0:24:41.760 for as a for profit motel, I think at this 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:45.199 point and his employee and and mine. At that time, 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:50.120 the sexual abuse was happening more away from campus in Mexico. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.560 This is Melinda Ron's wife. She's originally from Caribell and 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.879