1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Camp Hell Anna Wake is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressing this podcast are solely those 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: of the author and participants and do not necessarily represent 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: those of I Heeart Media or its employees. Due to 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners, discussion is advised. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: After hearing all the stories about Carabelle and how in 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: Awake had a hotel and marina built by the students, 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: I decided I had to see this for myself. I 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: booked myself a room at the Moorings of Carabelle, the 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: hotel built by an Awake which is still in operation, 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and headed down to Carabelle. I just got into Carabell 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: after a quite hairy drive down a two lane Florida 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: highway in pouring rain. I've checked in and I am 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: at the moorings at Carabelle Hotel and Marina. This is 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: the same hotel and the same marina that those boys built. 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go out and speak with some 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: locals and see what I can't find out about the 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: town of Carabell. My first stop was to visit the 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Carabell History Museum, a small local shrine to the fishing 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: town of Carabelle. I figured surely they had to know 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: about Antiwaki's history in the area. We really have taken 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: on the notion of gateway to the Gulf to go fishing, 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: that that fishing charters and eco tourism have gotten really 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: big here. This is Tamara Allen. She runs the History 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: of Carabelle Museum. For a small town with no red light, 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: it has an awful lot of history dating back to 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: the Native Seminole tribe in Civil War Arab battles. I 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: asked Tamara what she knew about Anawaki. To my surprise, 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: it was very little. That is Panama City. We have 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: been coming here since the eighties. We were staying at 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: the Moorings. That was our place to stay, and we 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: were told we were the first like official people to 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: stay in the motel of the Moorings back in the 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: late eighties. And I just heard it was like a 35 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: rehab place for delinquent kids. And so at the time 36 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: I heard about the fact that it had been part 37 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: of of an Awaki, but I didn't know what that 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: meant because I'd say to people what happened and they 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: went and tell me, it's a big rabbit hole. What 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: Tamara did know was that the boys at the Antiwaki 41 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: South campus were a part of the community, going to 42 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: local schools and even churches. These children were students at 43 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: the facility, but they all went to high school with 44 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: other kids, so they made friends here with other kids. 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of the kids went 46 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: to either the Baptists, from the Men to just church. 47 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: People knew him in the community, and occasionally they would go. 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: A group of them would go to a townsperson and 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: say we have to leave that place. Do you have 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: any where we could stay? Or they would try to 51 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: run away. They wanted to stay in school, They wanted 52 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: to just have a normal life here, but they didn't 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: want to be in the program, and some of the 54 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: kids ended up living here marrying local girls. Since I 55 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: had initially contacted Tamara, she had reached out to some 56 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: people she knew in the area who may have more 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: insight into what went on it in Awaki. Several people 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: said that a lot of the staff that worked there 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: were evil types of people that they abused the children 60 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: and particularly did things like just took a perfectly healthy 61 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: child and deliberately broke their arm or their leg if 62 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: they were missed behaving. I tried to see if Tamara 63 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: may be able to connect me with someone who may 64 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: have had a closer connection to the school I could 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: speak with. I started talking to people that I thought 66 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: might have a historical perspective, and then they were reluctant 67 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: to talk about it, which piqued my interest, I must say. 68 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: And then I actually had somebody say to me, I 69 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: don't want to talk to that guy because I might 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: end up dead. They wouldn't even tell me what they 71 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: were talking about. And I said, help me understand that comment. 72 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. He said, Well, a 73 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: lot of people talk to folks they ended up dead. 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: They know that Peter had very high connections way up 75 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: in government in Florida and Georgia. Nobody that I've found 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: that works there wants to talk to you because they 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: are afraid they'll end up dead. Over the past several weeks, 78 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: we have received number of very serious allegations concerning both 79 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: the facility out there in a number of individuals involved 80 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: with him. It was just a wrong with their therapy. 81 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: They were told to do it, and at the time 82 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: he was fourteen and a half fifteen years old. They 83 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: didn't know any better. I asked him, why are you 84 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: letting this happen? Why are you covering up for Louis Batter. 85 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: He had no answer to that question. Having and this 86 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: sitution paid it of little could be such shock destricable place, 87 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: and did do absolutely the contrary of what they should 88 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: have done. I'm disturbed at the fact of something. He 89 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: was stilled, wat on it, and I wake you. I'm 90 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: Josh Stein, and this is camp hell in Awake. I 91 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: quickly realized it may be tougher than I originally thought 92 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: to speak with some locals about in Awake. Luckily I 93 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: managed to find a few people scattered throughout the town 94 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: who were willing to tell me what they remembered. I 95 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: guess I first heard about it when they started coming 96 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: to our school. I must have been six or seventh 97 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: grade when they first started coming to school. When I 98 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: went to school with them, I was Kathy Milliner and 99 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: I graduated with probably ten or fifteen of the guys 100 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: from anna Waki. I'm still good friends with a lot 101 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: of them that went to Annawaki that I graduated high 102 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: school with. I stay in contact. I married one right 103 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: out of high school. Just a lot of good friendships 104 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: that have remained over fifty years now. Were you interacted 105 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: with them regularly on through church? I mean that's you know, 106 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: that's what they did. They ring they bring him to church. Actually, 107 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: I think my daughter might have dated one of them 108 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: for a little bit there. I mean, not a daughter 109 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: by my sister. My sister. These kids would come in. 110 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean they had their white shirts and eyes. They 111 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: were just presented. Nice kids, good kids. They're learning, you know, 112 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: they're learning how to better themselves. And they were very 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: polite and everything. But I think they're just happy that 114 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: get get out of the the environment that they were in. 115 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: And we had no clue of it. We had no 116 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: really clue of it back then. We never heard about it, 117 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: you know. I went to see what the former grounds 118 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: of the inn Awaki work Camp, or Landside as it 119 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: was known, looked like today. The St. James Bay golf 120 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: course currently resides there. What was once untouched wildlife is 121 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: now a subdivision of sorts surrounding the course. I went 122 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: to eat at its resident grill. It's here where I 123 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: heard a harrowing story from my waitress regarding in Awaki. 124 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: My knowledge is a second hand from a friend of 125 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: my father's I knew of one incident in particular where 126 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: a police officer who was working with some capacity UM 127 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: at the facility, took a young boy out into the 128 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: wooded area. A hunter was there. Um he didn't know 129 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: the hunter was there, but the hunter observed him having 130 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: sex with the with the boy. Was this voluntary? From 131 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: your understanding, it was not. It seemed to be more 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: of a punishment type situation. Surprisingly, this story sounded familiar. 133 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: In fact, it showed that someone may have actually witnessed 134 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: one of the worst stories I heard in all of 135 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: my interviews. My name is Mark. My number was B 136 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: fourteen seventy four. I attended Anawaki from nineteen eighty four 137 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: March one to be exact, two about March one, nineteen six. 138 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: At the time I was fifteen years old. My background 139 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: before I went into an awake he I came from 140 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: abusive household. Mom tried her best, Dad was very violent. 141 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Looking back on it now, there was just a lot 142 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: of negative talk, a lot of um destructive behavior. I 143 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: was just lost, very depressed, and after trying to commit 144 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: suicide a couple of times, just not understanding myself or 145 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: my emotions or who I was I um they put 146 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: me away in a adolescent psychiatric unit for emotionally disturbed children. 147 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: I was at South Campus. That was my primary campus. Obviously, 148 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: we all go through e en O in Douglasville, which 149 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: is Central Campus, and I was there twice, first time 150 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: when I was admitted, and then the second time after 151 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: an incident happened. Mark says that during his time in 152 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: Caribille that an Awaki had once again gotten itself in 153 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: the good graces with the local government. The fact that 154 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: would only hide what was going on behind the scenes. 155 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: We were told that we were going to do a dance. 156 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: It was my first dance Hanawake. He had two dances, 157 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: Spring and Fall, and they had said that Governor Bob 158 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: Graham and his daughter was coming. I heard about that. 159 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: I was really impressed that the governor's daughter was coming 160 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: paying Awake for the dance. Mark says that Antawaki's ties 161 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: with Florida Governor Bob Graham were so close has to 162 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: even send boys to his home to do work. We 163 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: went up there, and I don't think it was the 164 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: governor's mansion that we went to. I believe it was 165 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: his personal property because it seemed like a regular home. 166 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: We went up and just kind of cleaned the flower 167 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: beds and trimmed hedges. It seemed like pretty much all 168 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: day we had a good time. There was a pool there, 169 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: a couple staff members were there. Even with such close 170 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: ties to local government, the abuse of the Antiweki South 171 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: campus was just as bad, if not worse, than in Douglasville. 172 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: On many occasions, I personally witnessed at least a good handful, 173 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: maybe a dozen different times that staff members either physically abused, 174 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: sexually abused, or just verbally abused students. Group members Mark 175 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: She had a personal story with me. Fair warning, it's 176 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: pretty rough to listen to. You may want to skip 177 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: ahead if that's too much for you. It came to 178 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: me kind of as a shock. I've never seen anything 179 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: like that. I never was traumatized by seeing it until 180 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: I walked back to my first campsite. I was able 181 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: to walk back with a pass three by five or 182 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: and I had to pick up something that I left 183 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: on campus. The staff member was a new staff member. 184 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: He sent me back to the campsite and I heard 185 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: somebody crying, and it kind of scared me because I 186 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. So I just ran up 187 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: into the platform tent and one of my group members 188 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: was getting basically raped by a staff member, by a 189 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: unit supervisor. I didn't know this person at first. I mean, 190 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: I knew my group member, but I didn't know the 191 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: staff member. And I was just so shocked to see 192 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: two people doing that. I've never seen anything like that. 193 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: I never thought of anything like that. So I just 194 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: ran off. I was scared. I didn't know what to do. 195 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: I didn't even I don't remember what I had to 196 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: go back and get. But I just ran and I 197 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: ran back, and my heart was going on a hundred 198 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: miles an hour. And I wanted to tell the new 199 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: staff member, but I knew it wasn't the right thing 200 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: to tell him. I I didn't trust this person, so 201 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: I asked him if I could go to the clinic. 202 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: Next thing I know, I'm in the clinic. I tell 203 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: one of the nurses and I let her know what 204 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: was going on. First, I asked her if I could 205 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: speak to her. And I talked to her and I 206 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: told her and this has happened. I don't know what 207 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: to do. I need some help. Can you call the police? 208 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: What do we do? And she said, don't worry about it. 209 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: I'll take care of it. The police already know about it. 210 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna be fine. Everything's gonna be okay. Just go 211 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: back to your group. I don't say anything to anybody, 212 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: and everything will be fine. Three days later, I'm walking 213 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: back by myself again, and the same group later sent 214 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: me back to the campsite, and two men stepped off 215 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: of the trail grabbed me, and then Mr Phillips, who 216 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: has head of security, He's standing in front of me 217 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: and he smacks my face open hand smacks my face, 218 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: and anyone can tell you. Mr Phillips was very big, 219 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: he was very strong, and it just dazed me. And 220 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: the next thing I know, I'm on the ground and 221 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Mr Phillips has kind of got his knee in the 222 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: back of my head between my shoulder blades, and they 223 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: pulled my pants down and both of the other staff 224 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: members raped me, and I just remember I couldn't breathe. 225 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: It's funny because even today I can almost taste the sand. 226 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I can almost smell it, because everything is sandy in Florida. 227 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: And after that, I just I guess I passed out 228 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: or I'm not sure what happened. Maybe I'm blocking it somewhere. 229 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: But the next thing I remember was waking up in 230 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: the back of one of our passenger vands that they 231 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: used to transport us. We were in I think it 232 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: was Smim, small town in Georgia, and I woke up 233 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: and I had a really bad headache and my butt ched, 234 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out. I was like, I had 235 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: tape on my butt cheeks, and my butt cheeks were 236 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: taped together really super tight for some reason. And I 237 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: was wearing one of those in a waky green eno robes, 238 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: and I had a medical bracelet on like you get 239 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: when you go to the hospital. And I kept on 240 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: wanting to scratch my backside and there was tape there 241 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: and I can't figure out what it was, and I 242 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: was confused. While I was in a van and one 243 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: of the staff members, there was two people driving for 244 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: one person driving another one past some year and then 245 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: another person was sitting a couple of seats ahead of me, 246 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: and I was sitting all the way in the back 247 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: and he said, Mark, you're fine, because I started kind 248 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: of freaking out, and he goes, um, because you you 249 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: tried to hurt yourself, And I knew that was a 250 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: bunch of ship because I didn't try to hurt myself. UM, 251 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: and I became scared all over again, and he said, uh, 252 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: can we we're gonna stop at McDonald's. Would you like 253 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: something to eat and not a start? And I was 254 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: like sure, Yeah. Then I got to n O UM 255 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: went to a doctor uh in the clinic of Eno 256 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: and they looked at me and I had a staple 257 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: in my anus. They stapled it and some small stitches 258 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,239 Speaker 1: had had some gauze that I had to change, and 259 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: they gave me a whole bunch of stuff. They were 260 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: really super nice this time. When I went to You know, 261 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: I never got the rope thrown at me. Uh. Pretty 262 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: much got to be able to walk in and out 263 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: of my room whenever I wanted. I had a little 264 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: bit more privileges than the new guys getting there. But 265 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: they kept on telling me that I tried to commit suicide. 266 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: And I was trying to tell another of the staff 267 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: members and you know, no, that's not what happened to me. 268 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: This happened to me. He told me. He pulled me 269 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: out aside and took me back into the clinic area 270 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: and he told me, you don't want to talk about this. 271 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: You don't want to say anything about this. They will 272 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: keep hurting you, and your parents will be notified and 273 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: you will never basically win this battle that you're trying 274 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: to fight. And he just told me to go back 275 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: and keep my mouth shut, and if anybody approached me, 276 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: just tell them that I wasn't interested and that I 277 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: had spoke to that staff member and to mention his name, 278 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: and then by mentioning his name that was kind of 279 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: a key word that they would leave me alone. Mark 280 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: says that after this traumatic experience, he never spoke to 281 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: his parents about what they were told by the staff 282 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: of Innawaki until years later. Believe it or not, my 283 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: parents were told that I had tried to commit suicide 284 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: again anally, and I didn't know this until probably five 285 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: years ago. I knew they were told something, and we 286 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: just didn't talk about it. It was just one of 287 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: those things. My mom kind of buried her head in 288 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: the sand with a lot of stuff. After hearing Mark's 289 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: heartbreaking story, I found I kept hearing the same name 290 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: of the counselor who fartook in his abuse, Jim Phillips. 291 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Mr Phillips was a big man. He was a big guy. 292 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: He was probably I'm gonna say, three hundred pounds. If 293 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: you didn't know him, you think that he would have 294 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: a kind heart. He would put himself like he'd be 295 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: want to help you and and you know the weird 296 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: way he would. He was a church going guy who 297 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 1: has claimed to be It's funny how that works. And 298 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: he also was involved with the sheriff Department down Carribelle, Florida, 299 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: which is where I know Carripil Police Department at the time, 300 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: and the eighties was dirty as ship too. You can't 301 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: tell me they didn't know about this. This is David Whacker. 302 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: He was a patient at Anniwiki South in Caribell. Mr 303 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Phillips was there for the intimidation purpose. He was the 304 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: intimidation guy. He come. I remember one of the boys 305 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: had done something or I had gotten a fight, and 306 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: next time I saw him after him visiting Mr Phillips, 307 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: he had more bruises in the black eyes and shaking 308 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: than I've ever seen another human being in my life before. 309 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: You did not mess with that man. This man was 310 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: so strong, No lie, I've seen this man left the 311 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: back of a greyhound bus to change attire. You did 312 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: not argue with this man. If you argue with him, 313 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: if you got on his wrong side, he would put 314 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: you through a concrete wall and a heartbeat and you 315 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't know what hits you. David was a victim of 316 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: the sexual abuse taking place on the Caravel campus. He 317 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: claims that there may have been some type of exchange 318 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: in return for access to the boys taking place. This 319 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: is how he recalls the night his abuser took him 320 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: to what he believed was an auctioning off of the boys. 321 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: Woke up. I actually felt him get off the bed. 322 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: I thought he was going out to take a piss, 323 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: and then when he reached down there, I mean, of 324 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: course here, I thought, here, well, here we go again. 325 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Instead told me and come with him. So I said, okay, 326 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: on of course, I got up through my shoes on. 327 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: I followed him out the door. Next thing I know, 328 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: I know, we're crossing over the creek. But for some 329 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: reason it wasn't of the bridge of somewhere else, and 330 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: we were able to cross over I was aware of 331 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: at the time. We could end up behind the toolship 332 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: that we had there. There was like another door in 333 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: the back, but it wasn't visible to just that you 334 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: had to either slide or move something out of the way. 335 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: He opened the door too many come in. I came in. 336 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: It was behind the tool shed. I remember him sliding 337 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: the door off to the right like you would a 338 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: screen door or a glass door. And then but it 339 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: wasn't glasses would. And then I followed him in there 340 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: and opened up to another the size of a master bedroom. Chairs, 341 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: two seated sofa, stuff like that. And then I was 342 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I turned around. I had to face the wall. Everything 343 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: else I was. I was listening to voices, but I 344 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: recognized the voices. I knew Mr Brown was in there. 345 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: I knew Mr Phillipson there, and I aln't knew Mr 346 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: vanillas and there because he was when they escorted me there. 347 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: They're debating back and forth, others, what they who, which 348 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: which I'm assuming which child they want, who they want, 349 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: what they want to do. It's like I said at 350 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: that time, I'm I'm facing a wall. Not actually I'm 351 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: trying to remember, trying to look and see who's beside me. 352 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: To my left. In my right, oh your here is 353 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: bags and pleas And you know how don't the sounds 354 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: they haunt you too? Not just thinks matches to the sounds. Yeah, 355 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: so I'm facing the wall. There was carpet on the wall, 356 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: and I was picking at ittles. That's what I did. 357 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: I tried his zone out. You try to block everything. 358 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: When you're that young and you're facing guys twice your size. 359 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: You don't argue, you don't ask questions. You just do this. 360 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: Your co that was probably there maybe fift maybe even 361 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Then Mr Finnell walks me out and then 362 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: we get back to the cabinet. And then I went 363 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: back in and I got my bed, face the wall, 364 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: pull the sheets over me as tight as I fucking could. 365 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: I just if you try to forget, but you never do. 366 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Due to some luck, while in Cara Belle, I was 367 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: finally able to connect with someone who worked at the 368 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: inn Awaki South Campus. My name is Ron Doyle. I 369 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: worked in the mental health center in Tallahassee, and one 370 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: of the psychiatrists they're also worked down here and suggested 371 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: to me that this when I was finishing up my 372 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: master's degree, that this would be a good place for 373 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: me to work. And so I came down and interviewed 374 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: and was hired as a counselor. This was in night 375 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: Ron came to visit me at the Mornings Hotel, which 376 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: he helped build with the patients. It was a mixed bag. 377 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: I really loved working with the boys. I mean, these 378 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: were kids who needed a lot of help, and it 379 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: was an opportunity for me to learn and practice my 380 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: counseling skills. But there were a lot of things that 381 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: we're difficult. I worked a hundred and thirty hour work week. 382 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: Basically I had a day and a half off a week. 383 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: The rest of the time I was on duty. I 384 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: lived with the boys in the cabin us, and it 385 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: was intensive work. I asked Ron, if you thought it 386 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: was normal for the boys to be working on buildings 387 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: such as the hotel we were currently in at the time. 388 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: I did yes, because the labor that they were doing 389 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: was teaching them skills. It was providing structures that they 390 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: were actually using and benefiting from, except for this here 391 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: at the Mornings, which was a different thing. But at 392 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: the time we didn't know that. We thought we were 393 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: building it for their use and that the motel part 394 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: would be used for parents to stay when they came 395 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: to visit campus. It was used to that to some degree, 396 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: but I think for the most part. It was used 397 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: for as a for profit motel, I think at this 398 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: point and his employee and and mine. At that time, 399 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: the sexual abuse was happening more away from campus in Mexico. 400 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: This is Melinda Ron's wife. She's originally from Caribell and 401 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: ended up working there when she met Ron. She and 402 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: her friend came along with Ron to talk to me 403 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: about in Awaki South. She says that Lewis Petter had 404 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: begun taking boys from in Awaki to Mexico for a 405 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: yearly trip where there would be an even less watchful 406 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: eye than there would be stateside. I think that he 407 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: figured out people were onto him, and so there became 408 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: a chosen group and I did that in air quotes 409 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: to accompanying them to Mexico. It was supposed to be 410 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: this big privileged trip every year every summer, Dr Petter 411 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: would lead a group on a trip to Mexico. And 412 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: summer trips were a big thing in the program. You 413 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: know that they would be considered as a reward for 414 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: the kids doing well and earning opportunities and making progress, 415 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: and so groups would plan like a river trip or something. 416 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: But this Mexico trip was a big thing and the 417 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: kids who went on it were hands selected Dr Petter. 418 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: I was invited to go. Dr Petter asked me personally 419 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: to go on the trip, and I didn't really want 420 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: to go. Had heard enough things about it to make 421 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: me leary of it, and so I told Dr Petter 422 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I can go because I need 423 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: to be here to help my groups. He wasn't used 424 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: to people telling him no that worked for him, so 425 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: that put me on his kind of bad list. I 426 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: heard things about kids being physically abused. Um. I heard 427 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: things about kids being taken to brothels to help them 428 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: become a man. Andrew was a former patient of an 429 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Awaki who was asked to attend the annual Mexico trip. 430 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: He said Dr Petter reached out to him personally about 431 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: attending right before he was about to reach his termination. 432 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: What in a wake He would call when you had 433 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: completed your time of the facility and we're ready to 434 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: leave and return home. They had some kind of policy 435 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: there which I've have since been told old that this 436 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: was just a policy that was total ludicrous and not 437 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: really enforceable, but they would always enforce this on you. 438 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: They said, well, if you turn eighteen and you want 439 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: to leave. You got to do five days in that 440 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: E and O place that we had discussed earlier in 441 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: this conversation. And I, UM, I said, whatever, I'll do 442 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: five days and then I'm leaving. And so I'm doing 443 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: the five days and I'm in there for like about 444 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: a day and Petter comes back. Dr Petter, he comes back. 445 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: He says, you know, well, Andy or Andrew, I didn't 446 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: want you to leave. You know, I want you to 447 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: finish the program and the enjoy your time here. I um, 448 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, we do these Mexico trips once a year 449 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: and I was planning on taking in this would have 450 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: been in April, and so he said, I wanted you 451 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: to go to Mexico with us this on this next 452 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Mexico trip in nineteen eighty three, which would have been 453 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: the summer of eighty three. And I am, I'm like, well, 454 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: and I'd heard rumors about what goes on on these 455 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Mexico trips and I've thought about it for a few 456 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: minutes there with him sitting there with me, and he 457 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: had his chauffeurther with him. UM downam Carl Moore and 458 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: um we uh talked for a little bit longer, and 459 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: then I said, all right, Will Um, We'll go to 460 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Mexico with you and that Will, That'll be okay, I'll 461 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: go And Peter said good and so he said, um, 462 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: walk on out of the CNA. Here's Carl Moore and 463 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: what he remembers about the Mexico trips. Every group had 464 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: a chance to take a trip every year. It would 465 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: actually raise money to take their trips and it would 466 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: have to be planned and uh we did canoe trips, 467 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: ski trips. The big trip to get to go on 468 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: was the Mexico trip, and we would take three groups 469 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: down to Mexico for almost three months. It seems like 470 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: we're probably uh somewhere between ten and twelve weeks something 471 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: like that, but we would we would cover the uh 472 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: entire country of Mexico most of the time. It was 473 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: a big deal for the kids to get selected to 474 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: do that. It was a pretty amazing trip traveling like that. 475 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: It is just an amazing way to you know. We 476 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: would we took the vans and trailers and we would 477 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: camp out of the trailers. I mean we would tend camp, 478 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: but we kept our food and clothes and stuff and 479 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: the trailers. We leave Atlanta get to h stop at 480 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: Bourbon Street to go through Bourbon Street, Um, get back 481 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: on the road camp probably somewhere in Louisiana or Texas, 482 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: and then cross the border in uh Brownsville, Texas going 483 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: into Mexico. It was just just amazing way too to 484 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: see that part of the United States. But then we 485 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: crossed into Mexico. It was like a magical thing. We 486 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: would drive down through the mountains. We was always stopped 487 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: at a place we called El Salto Falls, which was 488 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: I think it was kind of like a honeymoon resort 489 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: for people in Mexico. But it was you know, thatched 490 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: huts and this just amazing waterfall with the river and uh, 491 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: this blue water that was just it was like something 492 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: out of it was magical. And we would drive through 493 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: the Thomas and Charlie Mountains, which were like nothing that 494 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: any of us had ever seen, and people farmed the 495 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: sides of these mountains and it was just spectacular greenery 496 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and and terrifying roads through the mountains. And our destination 497 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: was typically we would go down to central Mexico put 498 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: Yucca in the state of Hidago. It was kind of 499 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: a small miracle that we were able to do that 500 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: without major And if you told me right now to 501 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: to put together a group of thirty six kids and 502 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: six or eight staff members and take them down to 503 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: Mexico for eight to twelve weeks, I'd say, you gotta 504 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: be kidding. But we did stuff like that, and it's 505 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: the kind of a I mean, there were there were 506 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: wonderful things about it, and there are questionable and terrible 507 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: things about it. Former patient Andrew says the pettish connections 508 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: had even reached the town of Pachuco, Mexico. The main 509 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: place where Petter like to go in Mexico is a 510 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: town called Pachuca, which was near now about about an 511 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: hour away from Mexico City. And um, I was amazed 512 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: that with the kind of connections and stuff that he 513 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: had in this little town called Pachuca. But there would 514 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: be parties and you know, I could you know that 515 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: would be held at private residences for example, inside this 516 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, town of Pachuca, and there were I could 517 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: tell that these people were you know, upper middle class 518 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: I guess so to speak. And you know a lot 519 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: of gifts would be exchanged between Petter and these um 520 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: in these Mexicans upper class families. I mean these Mexican 521 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: upper class families had money. I mean I could tell 522 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: that nice houses and stuff like that. At one point 523 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: in time, I know, Pedal was given like some kind 524 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: of antique pistol and as a sign of friendship, and 525 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: patters given him like brand new TVs that we you know, 526 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: because we would pull these trailers to Mexico and we 527 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: would have these TVs buried in the bottom and these 528 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: trailers and stuff, you know, I mean, it was pretty 529 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Another side note about Mexico. This is also 530 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 1: where the story of George the Donkey began. I remember 531 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: what year it was, but yeah, we were driving through 532 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: I think we were on a dirt road somewhere in 533 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: the mountains of Mexico and this guy had had George 534 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: with him and he was he was tying, I mean, 535 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: he was, you know, probably just ween and we stopped 536 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: and decided it would be a good idea to have him. 537 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: So we bought him from the guy for fiacos, which 538 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: was back then probably less than five dollars, and he 539 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: traveled around Mexico with us. There was all kinds of 540 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: wildlife in Mexico and stuff for sale. People driving back 541 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: to the border would go through all kinds of animals 542 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: for sale, and some of the kids would have bought 543 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: like iguanas and things like that for pets. So we 544 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: got the bright idea that we could bring George back 545 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: into the US with us. So we made a space 546 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: in the trailer and put him in one of the trailers. 547 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: We crossed the border at about four o'clock in the morning, 548 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: and Uh, I don't know Georgy. He could pray he 549 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: could make some noise if he had started doing that, 550 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: and it was. It was the funniest thing. It was 551 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning. We were all wide awake, 552 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: trying to look like we weren't wide awake, just praying 553 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: that George didn't decide to let loose, and he didn't, 554 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: and that's how we brought him into the country. Injury 555 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: says that the contraband brought back into the United States 556 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: from these Mexico trips was not just limited to goods 557 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: and even animals. There was like a couple on one 558 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: of those Mexico trips. I think it was brought back 559 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: like two kids from Mexico and um I thought they 560 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: were going into the Aniwaki program. I don't know whatever happened. 561 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: To those kids that they vanished, that they were abused 562 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: and vanished or what. I had no likeas I never 563 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: ever saw them again. But there was two Mexican kids, 564 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: teenage kids. They were put into the group that Doc 565 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: had personally and they were brought back to America UM 566 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: and taken to Douglas Hills, Georgia. I never ever saw 567 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: those kids AGAINA here's Carl Moore. We brought people back 568 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: from Mexico, which was a pretty big deal. I think 569 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: some of them worked at Aniwaki and and we had 570 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: relationships with people down there and that uh, you know, 571 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: people expected to see us every year, and you know, 572 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: we would always take stuff down there for them. You know, 573 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of gift exchanging, and that was another 574 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that that that he was good at. 575 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: He did this with everybody that was important. And we 576 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: would always buy jewelry down there, and you know that 577 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: would end up in the hands of various people as gifts. 578 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: Carl says that the possibility of an Awaki moving into 579 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: Mexico with another campus was something that was not out 580 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: of the question at the time. I think we could 581 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: have had a Mexico campus. We ended up buying a 582 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: house down there, So I think the more was going 583 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: to happen there or there was an opportunity and I 584 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't distinguish that from from any other thing 585 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: that you would do with the Antiwaki funds. You know, 586 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: it was all the same thing to me. One aspect 587 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: of the Mexico a trip that was well known among 588 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: the patients at in Awaki was an annual trip to 589 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: a brothel. As Melinda Doyle had mentioned. In Pachuca, they 590 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: had a a strip on a hillside that was their 591 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: red light district, I guess you'd call it, and on 592 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: several of the trips anyway, I mean, it was a 593 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: regular thing. One of the big not so secret secrets 594 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: was that, you know, that was part of the Mexico trip. 595 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: But we would, you know, get everybody together and say, 596 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like a Tonight's tonight kind 597 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: of thing, and Petter would give us speech, you know, 598 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: trying to coach everybody how to get through this in 599 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: a way. But ultimately it might have been it might 600 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: have been something that could have been a positive thing 601 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: for some people. For some people, it's terrifying, and the 602 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: reality of it was it's a really, really really pour 603 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: away to introduce somebody to that experience. Former patient Chris 604 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: McKnight remembers one such outing during his trip to Mexico. 605 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: Would they in awake most years? They took us to 606 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: a house of ill repew house of prostitution, whatever you 607 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: wanna call it. This story is still kind of a 608 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: tough one to tell. So I lost my virginity in 609 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: the Patuca, Mexican horhouse. I was so scared. This is 610 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: summer eighty three. It's it's an alley in these girls 611 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: as side. I don't know what to do. I'm a virgin. 612 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: I'm scared shitless. I'm you know, and always probably Hey, 613 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: come on, Chris, you gotta go incredible amounts of here 614 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: pressure kron. You gotta grow on there and have sex 615 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,959 Speaker 1: with a woman. And and it's just guyss. Just such 616 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: a surreal and i frightening situation. I really was scared, 617 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: not because sex to me was a lot of baggage. 618 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: Chris was another victim of sexual abuse at an awaking 619 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,479 Speaker 1: by the hands of a counselor. Chris says that during 620 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: this trip to a brothel, his abuser had just been 621 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: with the same woman he was being pressured to have 622 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: sex with, so I I had my first sexual experience 623 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: with a woman. It's like my mind was so fucked 624 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: up about sex at that moment in my life that 625 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: the only safe woman I could have sex with wizard 626 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: of the woman who had just had sex with the 627 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: guy who had molested me years before. There's a lot 628 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: of baggage right there, a lot of pain too, girls 629 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: like grab my hand. He's trying to push for someone else, 630 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: just like trying to push me through the door. And 631 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to scream. I wanted to cry, I wanted 632 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: to run away. I was afraid. I was scared, I 633 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: was shaking. I mean, it was consensual, it was legal 634 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: in Mexico, no laws were broken. But there was a 635 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: lot of heavy ship going on right there. And I 636 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: remember getting out and running down and throwing up, and 637 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: I didn't eat for a couple of days. Still have 638 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: issues that situation. It's hard to make hedge details of it. 639 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: It's a really messed up situation. A teenager shouldn't have 640 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: been put in. Here's former councilor Ron Doyle again. He says, 641 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: after seeing the effect the Mexico trip had on one 642 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: of his patients under his supervision, he saw a red flag. 643 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: I think probably the real catalyst that read my my 644 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: resignation was I had a boy who was brought into 645 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: one of my groups after returning from a trip to Mexico. 646 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: He had been considered a troublemaker in his previous group, 647 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: but after this trip to Mexico, he just went off 648 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: the deep end, and so they put him in my group, 649 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: thinking that that might might help end. I had been 650 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: effective and helping kids get past problems like that, So 651 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: I worked with this kid and and he began to 652 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: open up to me and to tell me about some 653 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: of the things that had happened to him on that 654 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: Mexico trip, which were just inexcusable physical abuse that the 655 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: other kids were used to help abuse him because he 656 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: wasn't cooperating. This was the Apache roundup. Basically, they put 657 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: him in a circle of other kids and would ask 658 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: him questions and if he didn't answer properly, they were 659 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: on him, basically beat him to a pull. Carl says 660 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: that these so called Apache roundups a racially insensitive term, 661 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: to say the least, we're supposed to be another part 662 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: of pettish therapy. One that he was told to lead. 663 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: They were probably a handful of times where I was 664 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: actually physically involved with anybody. You know. One of the 665 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: things that that Petter would talk out where the Apache 666 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: round up, and we went through a couple of those, 667 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: and that's where the group confronts an individual and the 668 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,919 Speaker 1: idea is to be physical about Ron says that after 669 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: hearing about the Mexico trip, he decided to try to 670 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: do something to help the situation and make known the 671 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: atrocities he had heard about. Well, of course the stories 672 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: about the trips to the prostitutes and that kind of stuff. 673 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: So at that point I realized that there was a 674 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: really ugly underbelly to the program. I thought it was 675 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: a wonderful program that did a lot of good things 676 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: for kids, but then I saw it ruining kids like 677 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: this one. And so, knowing that Dr Putter was the 678 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: one who was arranging all that stuff, I had no 679 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: trust in him whatsoever. I wasn't sure what to do, 680 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: so I wrote a letter to the Board of directors, thinking, 681 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: you know, these are community people who don't really know 682 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: what's going on here, and they need to know. So 683 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: I wrote a letter to the board of director's outlining 684 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: some of my concerns, and I was very careful not 685 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: to say things that I couldn't back up, but but 686 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: just bringing attention to some things that I was concerned about. 687 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 1: I assumed that that letter had gone to the board, 688 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: and shortly thereafter Dr Petter came down to Carriville and 689 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: convened a meeting at the top leadership. Here, he said 690 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: he had been appointed by the board to investigate my 691 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: my concerns and my claims. I don't remember the details, 692 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: but I do remember that the other administrators all basically 693 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: said now they hadn't heard nothing of any of this kind, 694 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: and everything was wonderful as far as they knew, and 695 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: that I had probably fallen for some stories that the 696 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: boys were making up. So Dr Petter decided that my 697 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: problem was that I was just naive and needed some 698 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: more training, and that I had shown good promise. But 699 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: but he wanted me to work as his assistant and 700 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: moved to Douglasville to work under him so that he 701 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: trained me properly. I told him I wasn't interested in 702 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: moving to Douglasville. He told me I didn't have a choice, 703 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: and I told him I always have a choice, and 704 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: my choice was to leave rather than to accept when 705 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: he was offering. So that's when I left. That was 706 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: after four years here. After hearing about Ron's experience at 707 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: an Awaki as a counselor in Carabelle, we went to 708 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: visit some of the old sites to remember what they 709 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: were and what they had now become. So we are, 710 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: we're at the arena right now. Well, it looked a 711 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: lot different when we first started. I mean, there was 712 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: really nothing much here except for the docks, and in fact, 713 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: at the time there were wood docks, not in this 714 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: concrete nice stuff. You see now that's the hotel. The 715 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: boys built this building. The boys built building we're standing under. 716 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: The boys built. We were under the impression at the 717 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: time that we were building a facility that was going 718 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: to be used for the program. As far as I know, 719 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: it never was. Once it was finished, we didn't come 720 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: back here anymore. We next went to see what had 721 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: become of the inn Awaki South Campus formally referred to 722 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: as Landside. Yeah, at the St. James bake Off Course 723 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: formerly an Awaki. Walking around looking at some of the 724 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: old buildings and what they are now. But it looks 725 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: like they took the whole building down and just built 726 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: it on the same foundation. Okay, this was the yeah, 727 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: the lodge. This was the administration area. Oh, this is 728 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: the courtyards is that? Yeah? This is what we called 729 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: the quad because of the four buildings I can see. 730 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: I can't walk right past this. This looks just like 731 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: the pictures of the quad with the courtyard and in 732 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the four buildings every year. See that 733 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: tree right there, the big one. Yeah, my group planted 734 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: it when it was a sapling. That sas what kind 735 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: of tree is? Well? This was administration here, these buildings 736 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: where the social workers were housed. Mm hmm. And was 737 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: this all grass? Was this center here too? This was 738 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: here they laid these bricks, the boys laid these bricks. 739 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: That was a fountain. Wow. Yeah, this looks just like it. 740 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe I walked past it. Didn't see this. 741 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: Over there what was formerly the Quad was still in 742 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: practically the same setup at St. James, four small buildings 743 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: built on what was once the four posts of the 744 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: radar tower from Camp Gordon Johnston. I couldn't believe that. 745 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: I had been walking around trying to find some remnants 746 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: of the old an Awaki and it was right under 747 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: my nose the whole time. The same buildings built by 748 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 1: former patients of an Awaki are still in use by 749 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: this now golf course and resort. One aspect of the 750 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: Caravel campus. I still had not been able to track 751 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: down was the original motel, referred to as Bayside. Ron 752 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: said he could take me down there to show me 753 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: what was left of it today. We drove down to 754 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: a small beach off the side of the highway, a 755 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: light rain coming down and me frantically trying to protect 756 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: my microphone and recorder. This is where by side was. 757 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: There were two strips here along here, about four units 758 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: on east side, four rooms on east side, with our 759 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: courtyard in the middle, like I said, had been a 760 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: little kind of hotel, and and then the um. There 761 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: was one group on one side and one group on 762 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: the other side. They camped in the woods out that 763 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: way just I guess, just to the right of that house, 764 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 1: there was a trail that went back through the woods. 765 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,760 Speaker 1: You can tell how far it was to the campus 766 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 1: from here. So it was a he's a good twenty 767 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: minute walk to get from here over to main campus. 768 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,399 Speaker 1: So these kids will wake up here, you know, six 769 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, get up and get ready walk 770 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: that trail to get the breakfast. Two houses built again 771 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: with the with the kid's labor. The first house here 772 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: was Dr. Petter's house where he would stay when he 773 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: was down here. And then the other house was the 774 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: Carrabelle Campus director's house. Now they've been sold and there's 775 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 1: just yeah, family's living on. We're walking off the side 776 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: of US Highway. Why you here cars going by and 777 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: this just looks like this deserted beach here. Really, all 778 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: that was left of the once motel was some broken 779 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: up slabs of concrete scattered across the sandy beach. A 780 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: hurricane had left it in ruins. A few years back. 781 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: Across the street were two Mexican style built houses painted 782 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: that all familiar and awaky beige as it was known. 783 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: Now you can see the hurricane kind of messed up 784 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: to sea wall there. Ah, like that's what's the left 785 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: of it. You can see far. The more you had 786 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: the picture of the boys putting down sandbags along there, 787 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: I went to see if Ron's wife and her friend 788 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: hit any memories of this place. You know what happened here? 789 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: Nothing relevant? An awaky bayside was now just concrete chunks 790 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: of the once motel and broken oyster shells. Much like 791 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: the rest of my trip to Caravell, all I could 792 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: find was pieces of what was the inn Awake South Campus, 793 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: fragments of stories from those who experienced it or who 794 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: knew family or others involved. The site of the original motel, 795 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: which I had been looking for all week. I must 796 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 1: have driven past a dozen times, a piece of Carabell's 797 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,439 Speaker 1: history sitting right in plain sight, yet still so hard 798 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: to find. An Awake would continue to expand past Florida, 799 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: more Land was being acquired in Mexico and even Canada. 800 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 1: The next step in Petter's master plan to build an 801 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: all girls campus right in the state of Georgia. Next 802 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: time on Camp Hill an Awake. The girls campus was 803 00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: set back along a very widdening gravel road. We would 804 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: work from eight thirty or nine until eleven thirty. Girls 805 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,879 Speaker 1: were getting heat, exhaustion and heat stroke. We built an 806 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 1: empire for a pedophile. That's a very difficult thing to 807 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: think about. 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