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Speaker 2: Barth Blazarre and Blazarre. Everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Here's Evan Lazar and Alex bars in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: In said Kevin Byard. For years was rabel and say

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Speaker 1: Kevin Byarn tired, Yeah to buy art on the A.

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Speaker 1: Why do you harp on that?

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Speaker 2: Does it make?

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Speaker 1: I have never heard of I'm rolling here, you.

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Speaker 2: Said his continue Kevin Byrn, Whatever you want to go on?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. I love it when I know in the moment,

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Speaker 2: People say we bicker too much, but to me, that's

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Speaker 2: am all good looking for Bradley, just like jump through

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I scheduled like the the nerdiest

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Speaker 2: Talk about talent. That was a talent move right there. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I like it all right. Well, obviously we are live

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Speaker 2: here from the Indiana Convention Center at the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 2: This is pretty cool. This is pretty cool. This is

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Speaker 1: We've done live shows from now so we've done previous employer,

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Speaker 2: You're not going to do that for the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 2: next year, so we have a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We actually just had a little bit of Patriots breaking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you look at this, you know this defensive

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Speaker 2: about sort of the the old cliche and football of

436
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Speaker 2: you address needs in free agency and you draft best

437
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Speaker 2: player available, and when you get to the draft, and

438
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Speaker 2: the takeaway that I had from the Jalen Polk statement,

439
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 2: which was we probably put too much on his plate

440
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,400
Speaker 2: too early was they didn't go out in free agency

441
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 2: or in the veteran market and add a high enough

442
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 2: talent to starting caliber receiver that they didn't have to

443
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Speaker 2: throw Jalen Polk right into the into the fire as

444
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Speaker 2: a second round pick. This is not Marvin Harrison junior, right,

445
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 2: This wasn't a top five, top ten talent in this draft.

446
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: This was a second round pick and a cluster of

447
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: wide receivers and they basically, you know, into his Dark

448
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Knight analogy, it kind of expected him to be the hero, right,

449
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 2: to come in and save the day. When you look

450
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Speaker 2: across the board at their their approach last offseason from

451
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Speaker 2: the draft, free agency to the draft, you could say

452
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 2: that at quarterback that Drake may had to be the hero.

453
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: You could say that at wide receiver that Jalen Polk

454
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Speaker 2: had to be the hero. And you could say that

455
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: about left tackle with Kayden Wallace. Like they kind of

456
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: left it all up to the draft, and I think

457
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Speaker 2: they definitely recognized so they recognize it, but like you said,

458
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Speaker 2: you have to go out there and do it.

459
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Speaker 1: I remember talking about this last year. We were doing

460
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Speaker 1: the whole draft and develop thing right with the Packers,

461
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: and it was that works really well. Like you can

462
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Speaker 1: do that over time, because if you've been doing it

463
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Speaker 1: for long enough, you build up this foundation and you

464
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Speaker 1: have a security blanket you can go from there. You

465
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 1: can't really start from scratch with draft and develop. You

466
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: need to use free agency to create a base. Get

467
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Speaker 1: that floor, get those first guys in so you can

468
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Speaker 1: develop behind them, and then ideally from there if you

469
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Speaker 1: don't want to be big players in free agency, or

470
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Speaker 1: you just want to rely more on the draft, which

471
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Speaker 1: by the way, is what most teams do is rely

472
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Speaker 1: primarily on the draft. Now it's okay, Well, the guys

473
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Speaker 1: we drafted and developed five years ago were developed and

474
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Speaker 1: they're now up top, and we're gonna bring guys in

475
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Speaker 1: behind them. We're gonna bring guys in behind them, and

476
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Speaker 1: you create the pipeline. But it has to the pipe

477
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Speaker 1: has to sit on something. Yeah, and there was no

478
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Speaker 1: base for it to sit on last year. And you know,

479
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: we've made the comp and I've heard other people this

480
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: week make the comp when I've asked about what would

481
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Speaker 1: you know a realistic successful offseason be for the Patriots

482
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Speaker 1: not they signed the top seven free agents, right, realistic?

483
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 1: And I've had you know, more than half of the

484
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Speaker 1: people have responded with some form of you look at

485
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Speaker 1: what Washington did right where they signed seven to ten

486
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: what somebody called them, I think nuts and bolts free agents.

487
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: These guys weren't superstars, but they were keeping everything together right.

488
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Speaker 1: They were foundational. They were stabilizing presence guys, quality starters,

489
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: quality solid players. Not superstars, but those kind of guys

490
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Speaker 1: that seems to be especially in this class where there

491
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: aren't those superstars, and the free agent class keeps shrinking

492
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: every day. We're here with T Higgins and Ronnie Stanley

493
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: and and those guys expected to go back to their teams.

494
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: John Schneider laughed yesterday when asked about DK Metcalf. So

495
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: that hurt me a little bit, But like, that's what

496
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Speaker 1: the Patriot's gonna have to do. It's gonna have to

497
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Speaker 1: be meat and potatoes. Get that floor set, and then

498
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Speaker 1: you hope that you develop guys and elevate them where

499
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Speaker 1: you know they're your leaders in two or three years,

500
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Speaker 1: and now you're trying to draft guys to fill in

501
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Speaker 1: the pieces around them.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I look, we all kind of bring up the

503
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Speaker 2: Washington comp a lot, and I get that it's probably

504
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a broken record, but you just

505
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Speaker 2: look at what they were able to do and bring

506
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: in six, eight, ten, just quality NFL veterans. Again, we're

507
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: not talking about future Hall of Famers all pro level players.

508
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: That'd be great if they could land all one of

509
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: those T. Higgins type or whatever, but we're just talking

510
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: about quality NFL players that way. There, when we get

511
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Speaker 2: into the draft, if a drafted tackle on Day two,

512
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Speaker 2: it's not they're not expecting that tackle to be the

513
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Speaker 2: starting left tackle on day one of the season. You

514
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: know they have a Cam Robinson or an all Rector

515
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Speaker 2: Baun exactly.

516
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Speaker 1: I you want your second round pick to be an

517
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Speaker 1: impact player. You can't have a repeat of Jalen Polk.

518
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: But the only guy I talk about this sometimes where

519
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: there's year one starters, right, and there's Day one starters,

520
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: and that's different. You're the only guy that you you

521
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Speaker 1: really are banking on being a Day one starter as

522
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Speaker 1: your first round pick, especially picking as high as they

523
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Speaker 1: are this year, right, Day two guy should be a

524
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: year one starter. He should be a key contributor by

525
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: the end of the year. But you usually want to

526
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: have a little wigger room with those Day two guys, right,

527
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: and then Day three guys are project players, but they

528
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: need to do more. It shouldn't be the rookie class

529
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: supporting the free agents, or it shouldn't be Yeah, it

530
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be the rookie class supporting the free agents. It

531
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Speaker 1: should be the free agent supporting the rookie class.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, you got that.

533
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Speaker 1: I think right.

534
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Speaker 2: I think he got it all right. The other couple

535
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: things that stood out to me, and then obviously you

536
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: can add on if there's things that I missed from

537
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Elliott Woolf. I think the other big topic and discussion

538
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: is what the heck is gonna happen in the top

539
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: three of this draft, because last year, not only did

540
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Speaker 2: it feel like it was, it made as much as

541
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Speaker 2: we might have talked about Marvin Harrison Junior and other

542
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: options for the Patriots at three overall. Last year, Let's

543
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: face it, we did that because we had a show

544
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: to do today and there was time to film, right,

545
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: That's why we did it. If we really got down

546
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: to brass tacks, that made more all. Drake may or

547
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: a quarterback there, whether it was May or Daniels, was

548
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: kind of always going to be the pick.

549
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Speaker 1: I remember JJ McCarthy days.

550
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: It was I was kind of always going to be

551
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: the pick in my opinion, looking back, we're not taking

552
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: a quarterback.

553
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: So this year they took the right one, which is good.

554
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: Not only is there uncertainty about the top three and

555
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: who's going to go ahead of them on the board,

556
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: there's also not a lot of consensus about who they

557
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: should actually take it for. So this is a completely different,

558
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: open ended type of year.

559
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Speaker 1: I think one of those fuels the other right, because

560
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: you still have groups of people and I'm not even

561
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Speaker 1: talking like just regular fans. I see people in the

562
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: media still putting Abdual Carter at four, still putting Travis

563
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Speaker 1: Hunter at four. Hunter maybe a little bit, we can talk.

564
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Speaker 1: Carter's not getting a four. I know he gets there

565
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: in a PFF simulators. Sometimes he's not getting the four.

566
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Speaker 1: So like this, this is what I this is. That's

567
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: why I think there there's kind of debate because when

568
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: you put those aside, when you put Carter and Hunter aside,

569
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Speaker 1: which unfortunately I think we need to do. This is

570
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Speaker 1: not me saying they shouldn't draft them. They're good players,

571
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: but if you put those two a side, it's campbellin Graham,

572
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: and there's that Ted McMillan camp. He's gonna test this week.

573
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: It seems like like.

574
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Speaker 2: This few guys. I mean, we'll see when he talks,

575
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: I guess, but one of the few guys. Just to

576
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: sidetrack real quick, there's a lot of guys not testing

577
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 2: that are in the top ten.

578
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Speaker 1: Which I guess right now, especially in this class.

579
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: Whether it's injury related. You know, Abdua Carter is still

580
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: getting over an injury from the College Football Playoff. It

581
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: sounds like Mikel Williams might be in the same boat.

582
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: Jalen Walker today said that he's gonna hold off until

583
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: his pro day. So a lot of these guys are

584
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: not testing.

585
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: But when it comes to McMillan as again, as of

586
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: right now, what he is it like three thirty. Yeah,

587
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: on Wednesday he is. That's the one guy I thought

588
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't test because he's not he doesn't win with athleticism. Yeah,

589
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: that's not a Krent trade and that's all the combine it.

590
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: Unless he thinks he's gonna go out there and run

591
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: routes that make scouts cry, which maybe he will, maybe

592
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: they're that crisp, but he like it's it's gonna make

593
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: or break when when he works out right, because either

594
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: gonna run like a four four five and we're all

595
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Hello, And Mike Vrabel yesterday talked about

596
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: contested catch when he mentioned receivers first thing he mentioned

597
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: contested catch, or he's gonna run like a four to

598
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: seven and we're gonna start calling him a tight end.

599
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: So the debate really, to me, I actually think there

600
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: is some clarity to go back to the original point

601
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: when you take the Carter and Hunter part out of it,

602
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: which realistically we probably should be doing. It's Campbell and Graham.

603
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: That's the debate. We know they want to go trenches.

604
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: We know they need to go trenches. You probably you

605
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: have what is the big the best player at the

606
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: biggest need on the board, and you have the best

607
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: player at a non premium position on the board. And

608
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: I I think that's really the debate. Now it gets

609
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: really crazy, Evan and I don't know if we'll see

610
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: this gets really crazy. Like I said, we shouldn't earmark

611
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: neither of those guys to fall right, we're pushing those

612
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: guys in the top two, but we're also kind of

613
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: penciling in a quarterback for that third spot. Who's the

614
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: third pick? If there's no quarterback in the top three,

615
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: Is there a chance they don't get to choose between

616
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: Campbell and Graham?

617
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I hear what you're saying

618
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: in terms of like going through scenarios.

619
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like, that's more like it's more likely

620
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: to me at this point. And I know I'm going

621
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: back on what I said a couple of weeks ago,

622
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Speaker 1: and I'll probably go back on it again in two

623
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: weeks because that's how weird this quarterback class is. Yeah,

624
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: right now, I still think there's one. I still think

625
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be exactly one quarterback in the top three.

626
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: But if i'd ask you, is it more likely to

627
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: go in the top three or it's more likely none

628
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: go in the top three?

629
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Speaker 2: Which would you pick two or none?

630
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

631
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: I guess none, but.

632
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I go no, That's what I'm saying. But I think

633
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one. So the Browns. All the reporting

634
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: here right now is that the Browns are are zeroing

635
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: in on quarterbacks at two and at three.

636
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: The Giants. The wild card is Matthew Stafford, in my opinion,

637
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: with the Giants.

638
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Who apparently was hanging out with Tom Brady.

639
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: Right. So if the Giants Matthew Stafford, then that obviously

640
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: takes them out of the quarterbacks run. If the Giants

641
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: don't and the Raiders land Matthew Stafford behind them, then

642
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: that takes the Raiders out and makes the Giants probably

643
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: even more willing to take a quarterback there when you

644
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: look at you know, to go kind of in order

645
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: here of what you were saying. When it comes to

646
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan, I don't think that there's a lot of buzz,

647
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: especially relative to the last couple of years here in

648
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: Indy with the combine about this wide receiver class. I

649
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: feel like this is as subdued of reactions as I've

650
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: ever seen about who do you like in this receiver class?

651
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: You know, who excites you in this class? I do

652
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: think that if Luther Burden didn't have the season he

653
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: had last year, Thank you, Brady Cooked, and then he

654
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: would be a more exciting prospect of people. But for

655
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: what I have, you know, put together here, there's just

656
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: not a lot of people that are they light up

657
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: when you start talking about the wide receiver class.

658
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: I feel like every day we've been here. The wide

659
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: receiver class has gotten worse in terms of what I'm hearing.

660
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: Like I talked to somebody today actually liked McMillan, actually

661
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: really did, but said he had no other receivers graded

662
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. Yeah, like he's saying, because

663
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I asked him about it, Buca, Golden, and Burton. Yeah,

664
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: And I said, like, you know, who do you like

665
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: from that group? He was like, you know, honestly, I

666
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: have them all greatest third round picks. So it's people

667
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: are really doom and gloom to the point where I've

668
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: kind of been wondering, not for the Patriots, but you know,

669
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: the league as a whole. This draft is, meanwhile, so

670
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: deep at tight end. Are there gonna be teams that

671
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: look at this and just when you pass Catcher gonna

672
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: take a tight end. I think that that's gonna be

673
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the thought process for at least some teams that need

674
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: a wide receiver.

675
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: It's definitely possible. I just look at this entire receiver

676
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: class and I think everybody has their question mark, which

677
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: is what makes people pause. You know, obviously Ted McMillan

678
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: is explosiveness speed, downfield speed, top end speed especially, I

679
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: think Ted McMillan. When he gets going, can build up

680
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: speed to a decent level, but he's just not an

681
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: instant accelerator and he's not going to run through defenses

682
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: because of that. He's not going to win against press

683
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: on the outside consistently over the top because of that.

684
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: Then you get into burden. Who's got this. Everybody's just

685
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what happened last year? Was it?

686
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: Brady Cook? I think both of us kind of feel

687
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: like that had a lot to do with it.

688
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it reminds me of Jordan Addison.

689
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, his this some of the I don't want to

690
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: I guess antics on the sideline, like I don't he.

691
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: Got I would call it. He got visibly disengaged at times.

692
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it taken himself out of games.

693
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: I think I saw. I think Zeroline had in his

694
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com scouting report talks about like he got

695
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: bored with the offense.

696
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see. I think that was so uh

697
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: A Mecha Abuka is a really solid, well rounded wide receiver,

698
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: can block, has great hands, uh, knows how to run

699
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: rouse understand spacing and zone concepts and things like that.

700
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: But he's not a dynamic round runner. He doesn't have

701
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: great speed, he's not a great separator. You know. The

702
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: comp that I kind of settled in on with him,

703
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: I kind of see some Jackson Smith and Jigba there. Yeah,

704
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: but if I also kind of see a little bit

705
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: of like you know, prene issues Juju Smith Schuster, Right,

706
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: that's just that kind of solid, well rounded guy. But

707
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: that's not a guy that you take in the top

708
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: ten or top twenty and expect to change the dynamic

709
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: of your offense. And then with with Matthew Golden, you're

710
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: really banking on his college football playoff run being the

711
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: player that he's going to be for the rest of

712
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: his career. Like that, that's what you're thinking, is that

713
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: those four games where he went off from the championship

714
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: with SEC championship, right, I forget what Yeah, well he

715
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: was he was good before that too, just wasn't as consistent, right,

716
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: So they asked the championship done stringing games together on

717
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: is I think one hundred and thirty yards per game

718
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: for him in those games and he was just off,

719
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: you know, insane production.

720
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: By the way, zerline on Luther Burden, I haven't here

721
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just reading part of it here he takes

722
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: snaps off in short circuits routes if he's not the

723
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: primary option, but can separate and succeed on all three

724
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: levels when it's his time. And then he has a

725
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: quote it was from an NFC scout. I think he

726
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: got bored with that offense. His playing styles like Jerry Judy,

727
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: but with Alman Ross, Saint Brown's hands and toughness.

728
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Interesting comps. Yeah, I uh, that's definitely what I hear

729
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: a lot about here. You know in India about this

730
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver class is that there's just everybody's got a

731
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: flaw and everybody's got some concerns about this class. So,

732
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: just talking out Wolf again, I asked him, you know,

733
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: is there a coverage dictating receiver? Is that number one

734
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: wide receiver for you guys? Uh in this draft? And

735
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: he was kind of lukewarm about it. And that's sort

736
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: of the reaction and I get that. Yeah, And so

737
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: if it's not T Higgins, you know, where did the

738
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: Patriots turn? I think is an interesting question. Uh, what

739
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: was the other thing that you said? I had a

740
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: thought on that. I don't know if I said a

741
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: bunch of things. And right, just we're we're rolling here

742
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: is what we're doing.

743
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: I'll say, to your point, where do the Patriots turn

744
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: at receiver? I'm okay if they don't add that guy

745
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: this offseason. And I know nobody wants to hear it, right,

746
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: but they were never gonna get this whole thing built

747
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: up all the way in one off season. It's too much,

748
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: too much to do. Just realistically, they weren't gonna get

749
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: it done. It's I would rather them instead of throwing

750
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: good money after bad and being like, all right, T

751
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: Higgins isn't here, Chris or is a bit Stefan Diggs

752
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the best receiver available. Yeah, he's thirty one coming off

753
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: a knee, but we need to get the best receiver available,

754
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: because that's what we wanted to do coming in. Just

755
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: get the best receiver and like overpay and commit yourself

756
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: long term to Stephan Diggs. Rather than doing that, I

757
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: would rather see them Neither of these are ideal, but

758
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather see them looking at it and say, the

759
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: receiver he wants not in free agency, the receiver he

760
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: wants not in the draft. Schneider's laughing when people are

761
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: asking about DK Metcalf. Let's just hammer the trenches. Yeah,

762
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: let's build up this offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, let's

763
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: add another corner, let's get a safety. Right, and now

764
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: next year, say they have eight nine boxes to check them,

765
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: pulling those numbers out of thinner right, all right, we

766
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: got seven of those checked. Now we can go all

767
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: in next year. And whether it's giving up a bunch

768
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: of picks for wide receiver who's available via trade, or

769
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: flying up the boards to get one of these receivers

770
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: and what projects to be a much better wide receiver draft.

771
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: Now you can do that because all these other issues

772
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: were taken care of. It's gonna be frustrating watching again.

773
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: And they still should do something. Can you get a

774
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: guy like Darius Slayton or Chris Godwin on maybe a

775
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: one year deal? Right? Or maybe there's somebody who you

776
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: don't love the floor in the third round, but you

777
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: feel good about the ceiling, you feel good about Todd

778
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: down and coaching him, and you're like, we'll take the

779
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: shot here, but not burning a premium asset on a

780
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: position when you know, all right, we'll we'll just spend

781
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: like crazy eat this next year when we have more options.

782
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: I hear, I agree with a lot of what you said.

783
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: Let me throw this one scenario just to just to facilitate.

784
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: As Felger likes to say, right driving the bus, would

785
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: you be out on thinging a little bit outside the

786
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: box that wide received? Hate this? Am I and taking

787
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: a risk on a veteran guy. And I have a

788
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: couple of examples who come with some concerns. I'm gonna

789
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: hate this, but are in that pre agent year and

790
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: then if it works out, maybe you pay them. And

791
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: you don't pay him right away. I mean, who's the

792
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: player like Chris Alave No, Christian Watson with Green Bay?

793
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: Oh what am I giving up for Watson? Second round

794
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: pick this year? Maybe something else? No?

795
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: You think you do Barmore for Watson?

796
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: No, not with the blood clots stuff.

797
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: That's true. Not Barber, not Barmore, gotsha No, not straight up.

798
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: But you'd have to get.

799
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: More like godshot and a fourth for Watson.

800
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: I think he'd have to take more than that.

801
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: All right?

802
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Then?

803
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: No, I'm out on Watson. Jamo, Yeah, yeah, I take

804
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: a shot on jameson Williams. I don't know how well

805
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: he fits in McDaniel's old offense. Maybe if they're changing things,

806
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: like he's a better fit for if they're gonna bring

807
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: in some of the stuff Rabel did and some of

808
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: the stuff Todd Downing. Did you know I'm a big

809
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Jameson Williams fan. I would take a shot on Jameson Williams.

810
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: You could sell me on that. We're talking like thirty

811
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: eight for Jamison Williams. Sure, if you get your tackle

812
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: and free agency are at four, Yeah, I would do that.

813
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: The reason why I bring that up is a because

814
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: that the listeners. Is there anybody else?

815
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: There was one more? I'll look it up in a second.

816
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: The reason why I bring that up is because we

817
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: talk so much about t Higgins, We talked so much

818
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: about Ted McMillan, and just realistically, it just doesn't feel

819
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: like that's gonna be right for the Patriots with Ted

820
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: at four.

821
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: Overall, it just seems high, I think everybody, and not

822
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: just for the Patriots for anything, right exactly, It just

823
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: seems high for the player right now. You know, some

824
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: people have him as low as like twenty and then

825
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: you know twenty five.

826
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: You know that range, like.

827
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: He's a fringe top ten player in this draft.

828
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: Where like Zay Flowers and JSN and Addison and those

829
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: guys went a couple of years ago. I think he's

830
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: better than that, yep, to be fair, but regardless, it's.

831
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Weird because he's so good. He really is elite at

832
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Yeah, but it's just not athleticism.

833
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: And that's weird because in the last five ten years, like,

834
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wide receivers who are just good

835
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: by being athletes and maybe aren't the most technically skilled receivers.

836
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the way the league is gone.

837
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 1: So we're so used to looking at those guys. As

838
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: the example, you look at a guy like Tyreek Hill, who, like,

839
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, is Tyreek Hill exactly like teach Tape

840
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver the way he goes about it,

841
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: nor just but he's so dominant athletically, and that's been

842
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: the mold. That's all right, I'm gonna find a great

843
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: athlete and teach him how to play receiver. And now

844
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: here comes Ted McMillan, who's the totally antithesis of that,

845
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: who is very polished, who is very physically dominant, but

846
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: he's just not that top tier athlete that we're used

847
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: to these top receivers being.

848
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you the last name, yep, George Pickens. No,

849
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: see Pickens is those are the four that I and

850
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: there's a lot more actually that are in this pre

851
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: agency class. It's a pretty good I always say, yeah,

852
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: it's not gonna it's a year before they're unrestricted. It's

853
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: this twenty two class, right, Yeah, that none of those

854
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: guys are actually gonna hit full. Alex Pearce that class too, right,

855
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Alex Pierce, he might be you know DK you know

856
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: is on this list.

857
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't in that class now. But because of the

858
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: way Pickens to me is like he'll have like a

859
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: one hundred yards nine hundred yards in a season, and

860
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: five hundred of them will come in three games. Those

861
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: guys bug me like you need he's not reliable.

862
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: You don't like that when he's on.

863
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: Well, ironically it's what Ted McMillan was last year. Yeah,

864
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: when he's on, he's on, but he's not reliable. I agree,

865
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: he's not reliable. But my point of bringing this group up,

866
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: they all have different like supercharged uh what's his name

867
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: from the Bills on the Jaguars now gave Davis George

868
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Pickens just super charge game. Davis Supercharged gave Davis, I

869
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: don't those guys don't do it for me. That's the

870
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: number two. They're great, not as number one.

871
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: So the reason why I bring those guys up, though,

872
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: is that there's hurdles for the Patriots at wide receiver

873
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: to make this happen. Not necessarily make it happen this offseason,

874
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: but just to take a swing. You know, where they

875
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: are in the draft, like, just doesn't make a lot

876
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: of sense at four overall in this class. The fact

877
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: that for the top flight, top of the market guys

878
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: T Higgins for example, if he does shake free, we

879
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: know how with Calvin Ridley and Brandon Nayuk right like,

880
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: they're not a draw right now for that player.

881
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: Oi Wolf did say they are more of a draw now,

882
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: we'll see.

883
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: I'll believe it.

884
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: When he said Drake may is gonna be a significant

885
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: part of the pitch.

886
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: I buy that.

887
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: Who knows what he really wanted, but the reporting was

888
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: he didn't come here because he didn't know what the

889
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: quarterback situation was.

890
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: Sure, but at the end of the day, they're still

891
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: a notch below being like a top flight Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, okay.

892
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: So you look at these receivers, but sorry. Let me

893
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: just I don't think it's gonna be like AYUK where

894
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: they offer the most money and still don't get them.

895
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: I just don't know that yet. Like I have to

896
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: see it to believe it, you know, like I I

897
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: don't know where.

898
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: We think that they offer like four or five million

899
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: dollars a year to the next closest team. A receiver

900
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: would say, no, different positions might be different.

901
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: It depends on who the other teams are.

902
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: T Higgins gonna take a discount to go? I mean

903
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: who I get who has that kind of money to spend.

904
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: Everybody's got money to spend.

905
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: That's true.

906
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: There's a lot of caps space around the league. But

907
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: my point being is that that that group did I

908
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: do named. You know, they all have sort of you know,

909
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: a lava aid, you know who knows right, you know,

910
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: with the injuries. Jameson Williams has was hurt to come

911
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: into the league and has kind He's been good in flashes,

912
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: but hasn't been consistently great. Uh. Pickens is his own thing,

913
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: right with the attitude stuff and everything. Those are maybe

914
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: the types of high ceiling swings, you know, those dart

915
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: throws that they might need to throw at it. Don't

916
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: commit the money right away, right like you don't don't

917
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: sign them to that monster extension right away and make

918
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: them prove it a little bit. Right if it doesn't

919
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: work out their free agents at the end of the year.

920
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: You have some control there with the franchise tags or

921
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. And you you have an

922
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: upside player there in that room. You know, you have

923
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: a guy that has a real ceiling to him in

924
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: that room. I just I'm just saying as an unorthodox,

925
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: think outside the box approach because of the way that

926
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: this class ever received.

927
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: You've been sell me on jameson Williams because one like

928
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: he had the gambling thing, and I think it was

929
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: tough to come back from that, but you hope that's

930
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: in his past, right, you do your due diligence on there.

931
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: But I actually forgot about that. I was just thinking

932
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: about the play, like.

933
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: When he stays he's inconsistent and different way that Pickens

934
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: is inconsistent. Yeah, he'll put together like consecutive of good

935
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: games and he gets hurt and then it takes him

936
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: a minute to get going again. And then he gets

937
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: hurt and it takes a minute to get going again, right,

938
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: but if you feel like you can keep him healthy,

939
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: he's a good player. The other thing they need above

940
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: all else, they need speed. They need speed on the

941
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. And can I call Jamison

942
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: Williams the top five fastest receiver in the league?

943
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, top ten. I'm comfortable. Definitely.

944
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: He's not Tyreek Hill, but he's up there.

945
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. So all right, that's the receiver take YEP of

946
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: the week for you. I just want to wrap up

947
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf here. Is there anything else that stood out

948
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: from Elliott Wolf that we haven't mentioned here yet?

949
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean we kind of talked about the the Jalen

950
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Polk stuff. Yeah, I just to apply that forward, Like

951
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: all right, cause this how much do I talk about

952
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: this Drafting the right players only half the battle. You

953
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: got to develop them. And that's case in point. They

954
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: didn't put the player in a position to succeed. They

955
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: overwhelmed them. Ellie Wolton literally said, we stunted his growth,

956
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: use that exact phrase. So it sucks that happened, obviously,

957
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: but like, now you know what that looks like. Now

958
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: you know what the consequences are. They need to be

959
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: much more cognizant when they draft these guys, and even

960
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: guys they're already drafted, they didn't at least entirely stunt

961
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: Drake May's growth last year, but like they need to

962
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: be aware of And I guess it goes back to

963
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: what we talked about off the top about not putting

964
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: too much on the rookies. But like, you can't ask

965
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: these guys to save your franchise day one. You gotta

966
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: have a development plan for these players. You gotta be

967
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: able to move them along in a way that makes

968
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: sense or you're gonna have more busts. Yeah, so I

969
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: thought that was it goes back to we talked about

970
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: the beginning. It's this self awareness from Wolf I thought was.

971
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: Encouraging. I guess would be the word. Yeah, that's totally fair.

972
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's talk a little bit about

973
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: yesterday with with Mike Rabel as well. And uh, I

974
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: think one of the bigger questions too that we have

975
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: to tackle. And I hate talking about this kind of stuff.

976
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, but the final say

977
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: conversation is going to be a conversation on your station

978
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: and pieces like that, and uh uh, just knowing Elliot

979
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: Wolf's background with the Green Bay Packers and with his

980
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: father and all that kind of stuff. Uh. Typically speaking,

981
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: that relationship between coach and general manager is the coach says,

982
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: these are the types of players I need, you know,

983
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: I need. I need a receiver that does X y Z.

984
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: I need a one tech nose tackle that can shoot gaps.

985
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: I need this, I need that, And the general manager's

986
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: job is now to go to the grocery store and

987
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: go shopping for that. I don't think. My my point

988
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: being here is even though you might say an act.

989
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: We had Mike Greece on our Draft countdown podcast that

990
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: we're doing here at the Combine, and he said that

991
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: he said that you know from his sources that it's

992
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: in Elliot Wolf's contract that he has final say on

993
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: the roster. So that was a contract that was signed yesterday.

994
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: And again this is reporting. Just this just happened, oh

995
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: yesterday last year.

996
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are two very different stories. They did that

997
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: yesterday like that, okay, last year. That makes a lot

998
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: of sense.

999
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: So when he when he signed his contract last year

1000
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: and they gave him the promotion and all that stuff,

1001
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: it's been a long so when he signed that last year,

1002
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: that was the wording Ese's sourcing. That was the wording

1003
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: in the contract. So unless something changed drastically, then by

1004
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: the letter of the law, that's how it would go.

1005
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: Except I would say things did change drastically there's a

1006
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: new coach.

1007
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: Well, I'm talking about unless they rewrote a concert. But

1008
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 2: here's the thing about final say.

1009
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: We don't talk about final say in the sense of

1010
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: a dictator, right, it's more and different organizational structure differently,

1011
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: but final say, especially in the collaborative approach they talked about,

1012
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: and Frable and Wolf have both used the term collaboration

1013
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: here last couple of days. That's not going anywhere. It's

1014
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: more Okay, three of us want this guy, three of

1015
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: us want that guy who's the tiebreaker, Right, it's the tiebreaker,

1016
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: not the overseer. Yeah, if you have Mike Vrabel and

1017
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Cowden and you have Elliott Wolf, and two of

1018
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: those guys come from the same background in tennessee things

1019
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: the same way, how often do you need a tiebreaker?

1020
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's a good question, and there's a lot

1021
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: of ambiguity here, right, But I what I get back to,

1022
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: and that I'm not trying to pour water on the

1023
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: cold water on it right. But what I really do

1024
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: like is that it's a situation where Rabel is the

1025
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: one that's dictating the terms of their personnel. Right, this

1026
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: is the kind of guys we need, This is the

1027
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: kind of players I need, This is the type of

1028
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: skill sets that we're looking for. And then Elliot Wolf

1029
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: is going to go into the talent pool. He's going

1030
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: to make a list of you know, here's the five, ten,

1031
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: fifteen guys. Rabel and the coaching staff will watch it

1032
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: and then it'll come to an agreement of this is

1033
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: our this is our stack, right, Like, this is our list, right,

1034
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: and I think that list is going to be let's

1035
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: call it proof read by Mike Rabel.

1036
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: So who's making the final decision there in that process?

1037
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Which is the last decision? I would say that it's Rabel.

1038
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: In the sense that the ranking of the board might

1039
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: be his final QC of the board would be Rabel.

1040
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: And then it's Elliott Wolf's job to go and I

1041
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: I know, to compile the board and I know some

1042
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: people hate this word, but like to go find the

1043
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: value right of like, okay, you know, can we get

1044
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: this player that that you know where he's going to

1045
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: go in the draft. Can we get this player at

1046
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: that number?

1047
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: And that's what it needs to change if it's and

1048
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: this is where the final say thing gets vague, right,

1049
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: So okay, Elliott Wolf, it's up to him to decide, Okay,

1050
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: well we can get this player for this much or whatever.

1051
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: What if Mike Rabel goes to him and says, let's call,

1052
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, Jevon Holland, Right, yeah,

1053
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: we need Javon. Mike Frable says, we need Jon Holland

1054
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: on this football team for me to have execute the

1055
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: plan that I want to execute. I need Javon Holland.

1056
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: Go get me him. Pay over market? Right like there?

1057
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: Does Li Wolf then go back and it's not really

1058
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: the value we can get you know, this other safety

1059
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: for more value? Or does Mike Rabel get to it? Nope,

1060
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: this is the guy we're paying for, you know, talking

1061
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: about being aggressive and free agency things like that. That's like,

1062
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: I guess where it would be where would be interesting?

1063
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. I just wonder if there can't.

1064
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: I think it's easier to come to a consensus than

1065
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: people realize they can't.

1066
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: I think it's that's all. I also think it's more

1067
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: about so like Ellie Wolf said, he wouldn't force players

1068
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: on Rabel, right, I think it's more about like he said,

1069
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: Rabel is going to be the one who kind of

1070
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: picks the pool right and and does the ring.

1071
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: I would say that he's the one that narrows it down, right,

1072
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 2: Like what Wolf is gonna look at the whole pool,

1073
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Rabel is gonna he's gonna give a list to Rabel.

1074
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: Rabel if it's a defensive player, you know him and

1075
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: Terrell Williams will watch the tape and say, this is

1076
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: our guy, this is the guy we prefer, this is

1077
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: our guy. If we don't get the guy that we prefer,

1078
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: you know, tears or clusters of players. So like to

1079
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: hear Javon Holland. Example, Let's say they they go in

1080
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: on Javon Holland and they offer him a a competitive

1081
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: market contract, but they just don't land the player. Right, Okay,

1082
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: you know we cross him off. Who is the next

1083
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: best freeze guy from Minnesota?

1084
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: I forget?

1085
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, but like right, like that that's the type of.

1086
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: But I do wonder if Arabel can say, like, these

1087
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: are the spots where we're not budget right, budget where

1088
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: this is where I almost feel like it's to compare it.

1089
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: You're gonna hate this to compare it to the Major

1090
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: League Baseball draft. I don't even know if you know

1091
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: how this works with why nodding. So you have based

1092
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: on where you're picking, because you're not trading picks, like

1093
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: everybody has the same picks in each round. Right, So

1094
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: you're slotted X amount of dollars for the draft because

1095
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: each slot is worth a certain amount of money.

1096
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so what some teams will do.

1097
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: It's called drafting overslot or underslot because you hear ahead

1098
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: of time what players are gonna want for assigning bonus

1099
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: in each pick. And what teams will do is sometimes

1100
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: teams will like underslot their first pick and then they

1101
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: can pay all the rest of the guys more to

1102
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: ensure they get them, because you don't you don't always

1103
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: sign all your draft picks. Right. I wonder if there's

1104
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: spots where Mike Vrabel looks at it and says, you know,

1105
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: all right, this is what we budgeted for safety. Right,

1106
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: we can take some money out of the guard budget.

1107
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: Right right, if you want to go find your value guard,

1108
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: go find your value guard. Safety is where if you

1109
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: need a little more money, move other money, put it

1110
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: to safety. That's we're going like who has who makes

1111
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: that call? And that to me sounds like Rabel just

1112
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: based off what he said yesterday.

1113
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the other element, and we just talked a

1114
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: lot about wide receivers, and so I probably should have

1115
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: segued into this. But the other element with wide receivers

1116
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: that I still continue to hear from Rabel that that

1117
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: really stands out to me is catch radius, contested catchability.

1118
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: And I think when people hear contested catchability they think

1119
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 2: it just jump balls. It's not just it's finishing in traffic.

1120
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: It's finishing in tight covering, catching through contact. Right, Yeah, exactly.

1121
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: It can be a thing where like that the corner

1122
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: is wearing you on your back, right, all right, hands

1123
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: to yourself, all right, grow it here.

1124
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: And and so you hear that a lot. He mentioned

1125
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: again that he doesn't want Drake May to have to

1126
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: be pinpoint accurate on every single throw. He wants to

1127
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: have some accuracy erasers at the wide receiver position. The

1128
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: player that he continues to describe as a J Brown.

1129
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: He does every single time he describes a wide receiver.

1130
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: He describes AJ.

1131
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: Brown really does. Yeah, So obviously a J. Brown is

1132
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: a J Brown top five receiver in the league.

1133
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: Like he said, if you find one walking down the street,

1134
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: let me know, right, you know, like they don't grow

1135
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: on trees.

1136
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking, Mike, I'm looking. I'm watching it. Then I

1137
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: don't think you're here yet.

1138
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: But if you had to think of the archetype or

1139
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: the mold of the type of receiver that Mike Rabel

1140
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: continues to say he wants, it's a J. Brown, which

1141
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: is obviously a good one to pick. Now to piggyback

1142
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 2: off of that, he mentions AJ Brown, and he also

1143
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: mentioned that typically you need to draft that player that

1144
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: that player we all know it's not gonna come available

1145
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: in free agency. Now that being said, he's not a J.

1146
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: Brown after the catch, he doesn't move like AJ Brown.

1147
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: But in terms of catch radius, accuracy, erasing contested catchability,

1148
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's also T Higgins, right, So like I

1149
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: would imagine that they would have a ton of interest

1150
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: in T.

1151
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: Well, that's also Tem McMillan. It's also Teed McMillan, who

1152
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: has drawn some comps to I've seen like Drake London, right,

1153
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: is the big one and that sort of receivers. So,

1154
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: like I did perk up when I heard him say

1155
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: contested catches. Tem McMillan, we'll be talking more about him

1156
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: at four. Yeah, I don't know about that, but like, right,

1157
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: so Trey Harris maybe is the guy who should talk

1158
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: more about if that's what they're gonna prioritize.

1159
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: I just find it interesting. And I'm sure there's you know,

1160
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: there's a list, like it's not I'm sure his only

1161
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: prerequisite for drafting or signing a receiver is in contested catchability.

1162
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other things on that list, but it's

1163
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: not like speed or separation or anything like that.

1164
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: That's the key. And I agree into an extent. But

1165
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: you know what, because.

1166
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: If you just look at the stats and look at

1167
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: the metrics, Yeah, so much of the of the targets

1168
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL are contested because of there's great cover

1169
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: players like corners are really good. So in the league,

1170
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get to get all these wide open

1171
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 2: gaps and zone coverages, and you're gonna see a lot

1172
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: more man to man and you're gonna be in crowds

1173
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 2: a lot more because that's the that's the talent level

1174
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: that's on the field. So I think people here can

1175
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: test the catches. They were all, oh, no, Nikhil Harry,

1176
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: you know, something like that. But I do think that

1177
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: you have to look at it and say, you know,

1178
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: that's a lot of the targets in the league.

1179
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: And that kind of player stylistically is a really good

1180
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: fit with Drake May. Yeah, like when you talk about

1181
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: helping the quarterback, it's gonna allow you to maximize his

1182
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: arm strength because he can test parts of the field

1183
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: where you know, even if you're a great receiver, there's

1184
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: just certain parts of the field you know you're gonna

1185
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: get one on one coverage, you're not gonna have help,

1186
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have double whatever. And now it's all right,

1187
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe he's not wide open, but Drake May can access

1188
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: those parts of the field. Most quarterbacks can't, and you

1189
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: can trust the receiver even if he's not wide open,

1190
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: to make a play on the football.

1191
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: All right, So that was wide receivers were the frable. Yeah,

1192
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: it was there anything else I missed?

1193
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: There's a bunch, but vrabel I just loved the tone

1194
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: of I like they didn't put a timeline when asked

1195
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: about the rebuild. But said sort of in the same answer.

1196
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: I want to win.

1197
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to win. We're here to win, right, So

1198
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: don't put a timeline on it because you don't know

1199
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. But there is urgency, right. And I

1200
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: also like the way he laid it out. He gave

1201
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of the classic we want to win our division,

1202
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: we want to host playoff games, right, that sort of thing.

1203
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: But they're two three years away from that. He added

1204
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: one other thing. Somebody asked him at the very end

1205
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: because he mentioned, you know, so, oh, you mentioned winning

1206
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: the division, So how do you catch the bills? Like,

1207
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: what do you do? I thought he gave a great

1208
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: first step. He said, we need to win our home games.

1209
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: We need to make sure Let's Stadium a tough place

1210
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: to play. Patriots are seven and seventeen in the last

1211
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: three years in home.

1212
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they haven't been good enough home, they haven't been

1213
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: good enough anywhere.

1214
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: No, But like the first step is the gimmes, you

1215
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: gotta win at home. Yeah, you got how many games

1216
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 1: are like well, this just should win game that they don't. Right,

1217
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: Just win the should wins, and then you can get

1218
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: to the mit wins, and and then you can get

1219
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: to like the real tough ones. But most games at

1220
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: home are should win games essentially. You look at their

1221
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: home schedule this year, not difficult, not typical. They should

1222
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: be over five hundred at home. Do they finish over

1223
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: five hundred for the season.

1224
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1225
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: We've got a long way to go in this offseason,

1226
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: but they should be over five hundred at home. And

1227
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 1: I loved it Vrabel said that because I think that's

1228
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: something fans feel, Like Chillette Stadium, It's never gonna be

1229
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: what it was Brady and Bill and you drive in

1230
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: on a Sunday night and you see the stadium come

1231
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: up over the trees and all that, and you know,

1232
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and other guys have told that story about

1233
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: what it was like driving up.

1234
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: But very wax poetic of you.

1235
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: You've never heard like Peyton or I think it was

1236
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis talk about that like it just comes out

1237
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: of nowhere. You're in like a neighborhood and then Boom

1238
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: Stadium and it's like dark and five about lambeau Field,

1239
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: I've heard about you too, But like I digress, winning

1240
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: at home is a really good first step, like as

1241
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 1: a year one goal, right, winning the division this year.

1242
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: Be great, Be great, that's a big step. Finishing over

1243
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: five hundred a home is like a solid realistic goal

1244
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: in year one for Mike Rabel. I think, okay, so

1245
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: a couple more things from Rail. I just pulled up

1246
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: what I wrote yesterday so that we can get to

1247
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: everything here. The other big sort of tidbit nugget right

1248
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: off the top is that he is.

1249
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: Planning on having Terrell Williams call the defense. So Terrell Williams,

1250
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: Patriots defensive coordinator, He's going to call plays on the

1251
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. So Vrabel as expected, I

1252
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: would say, going into that CEO head coaching style. Now,

1253
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: I still think that he's gonna have a lot of

1254
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: input on the defense, and especially with Josh McDaniels as

1255
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator, where somebody as experienced as Josh running

1256
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: the offense, I still think that he can kind of

1257
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: pass that to him and focused on defense with Terrell Williams.

1258
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: But it's another it's that style again, right where they're

1259
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: gonna have an overseer, a CEO head coach in theory,

1260
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: if you have a head coach, and I think this

1261
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: is sort of where it missed the mark. And then

1262
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: in terms of style with Gerrod Mayo, if you have

1263
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: a head coach that can that can touch every aspect

1264
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: of the team like Bill could and could really impact

1265
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: every aspect of the team and have knowledge and have

1266
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: uh you know, I think rabels that he feels like

1267
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: he has a fundamental or a tip that he can

1268
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: give to every single position group on the roster when

1269
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: and you hear stories about that, yeah, from him in terms.

1270
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: Of the offensive line last year in Cleveland.

1271
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: So when you have a coach like that, uh, then

1272
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: that can be a really beneficial way to go about things.

1273
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: But I would just what is your reaction to to

1274
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: Terrell Williams calling to Spens a first time play caller.

1275
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: I should mention that, sure, So I mean the fact that.

1276
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't worry me because I think if if it

1277
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: is too big for him, Mike Vrabel's right there to

1278
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: step in, And I don't think Mike Vrabel would be

1279
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: afraid of stepping in if he needs to. Not to

1280
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: say that, I think he's gonna give Terrell Williams a

1281
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: short leash. I think he's gonna let him learn. But

1282
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: if it becomes clear that he's not the answer, I

1283
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: could see Vrabel stepping in. I also just thought it

1284
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: was interesting the way Rabel talked about it, because he said, like, yeah,

1285
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna call place. He's the defensive coordinator. He's coached

1286
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: aggressive defensive lineman. I believe he said that in order.

1287
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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, coaching defensive lineman to be aggressive and

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Speaker 1: calling plays are two different things. But it's like, or

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Speaker 1: is this defense? Does that mean that the defensive style

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Speaker 1: is gonna be catered towards and built around aggressive offensive lineman?

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Speaker 1: And now we add the Devon Godshaw news here twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours later when I say offensive.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long week. Yeah, uh James.

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Speaker 1: Devon god twenty four hours later, and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I think, and you see this all that, you

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Speaker 1: see this with offensive coordinators covering different backgrounds defensive coordinators, like,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna become an offensive coordinator. But if you started

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Speaker 1: as quarterbacks coach, your quarterbacks guy, start as a tight

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Speaker 1: ends coach, you're a tight ends guy, right, Start as

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Speaker 1: a linebackers coach your linebackers guy. I don't think Troll

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Speaker 1: William is gonna be an exception. That's kind of the

1302
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Speaker 1: vibe by gott was He's gonna put his guys in

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Speaker 1: position to be the stars of this defense. They are going.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean Christian Zalz is going anywhere because he's

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Speaker 1: a star, but they are gonna build this around. We're

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01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: gonna get a bunch of studs up front and let

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Speaker 1: them loose, and we're gonna call it on those eyes

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Speaker 1: being able to be effective play in and play out.

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Speaker 1: Will they get to the full extent of that this year,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, probably need two offseasons to put that

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Speaker 1: thing together, but that's kind of it was another sign

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Speaker 1: that that's what the defense is going to be.

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Speaker 2: Stylistically, Yeah, I just think, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 2: the scheme and things like that. Defensively, the one hesitation

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Speaker 2: I have with a guy like Terrell Williams calling plays

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: is that his background is basically solely in defensive line.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, he was an assistant head coach, Andy was

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Speaker 1: a run game coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has coached the front seven the defensive

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Speaker 2: line most of his career. So what you do worry

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Speaker 2: a little bit about is how well does he know

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Speaker 2: the back end and how well does he know marrying

1323
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Speaker 2: coverage and rush and all those different types of things.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to be able to draw pressure, right

1325
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: like that, that's great, Like it's a big part of

1326
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Speaker 2: football nowadays, simulated pressure as creepers, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: But how does he marry the back end in the

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Speaker 2: front end so that it all fits together and makes

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Speaker 2: sense and our coverages are matching up with our rushes

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Speaker 2: and we're not leaving ourselves schematically broken in that sense

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Speaker 2: when it comes to scheme and play calling. That I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that I'm panicking about it, but that's what

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Speaker 2: I'll be watching early on in the season is how

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Speaker 2: well he kind of marries those two things together. Because vastly,

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Speaker 2: vastly different experience levels in the NFL, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of young defensive line coaches like a DeMarcus Covington that

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Speaker 2: turn into play callers struggle with that early on and

1338
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Speaker 2: as play callers, right And you know, maybe Trell Williams

1339
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: has done more play calling than I know of. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe he's called plays at least at any

1341
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: sort of consistent significant amount in the NFL. But maybe

1342
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Speaker 2: that that I'm mistaken on that last thing here on

1343
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Speaker 2: on VRABEL And then we have tons of emails coming

1344
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: in and all that good stuff. When he was with

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Speaker 2: us yesterday here at the table, I asked them about

1346
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: the the innovations and the scheme tweaks on offense for

1347
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and we talked a little bit about Drake

1348
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: May and and mobile quarterbacks and sort of his stance

1349
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: on running quarterbacks. And he said point blank that May

1350
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: needs to prove that he can stay healthy. And he's

1351
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: made a big deal about sliding and all that kind

1352
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: of stuff.

1353
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: Posted or he talked about the Red Sox.

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Speaker 2: The slip and slide, and he said that, you know,

1355
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: they have to be cognizant of the volume of making

1356
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: him the primary ball carrier, so not like holding the

1357
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Speaker 2: backside or you know, just as a threat to run,

1358
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Speaker 2: but actually being the primary ball carrier. But that said,

1359
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Speaker 2: he said, they'll be design quarterback runs, they'll be moving

1360
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: pockets like, they will amplify Drake May's mobility. They will

1361
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: coach ways for his second reaction in his off script

1362
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: playmaking to take hold and be impactful. So they are

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Speaker 2: not they're not harnessing it like they are harnessing it.

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Speaker 1: They're they're not afraid of it. Yeah, they're not holding

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01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: him back I do think, and I've talked to this

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01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: for it. I think there's a tipping point there. I

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Speaker 1: don't even go too far in that direction because now

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01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: you're reckless. So it'll be interesting to see what the

1369
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Speaker 1: balance is. But I even said last year, like it's.

1370
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Speaker 2: A thin line.

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Speaker 1: They weren't even close to getting the line, Like they

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Speaker 1: had so much room to even get up near the

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Speaker 1: line in terms of running him too much. So we'll see.

1374
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Speaker 1: That'll be interesting to watch, all right.

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Speaker 2: I think that does it on the on the vrabel

1376
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Speaker 2: and on Elliott Wolf. So we'll take some of these emails.

1377
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Speaker 2: We'll talk some prospects and stuff like that for the

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Speaker 2: second hour. But before we get into it, I got

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Speaker 2: we got a lot of football this week, but we're

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Speaker 2: got to tell you, after two and a half days

1401
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Speaker 2: at the combine, those reads are a lot harder. I'll

1402
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: take a half days in the combine.

1403
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Speaker 1: I could use one of those comfortable like couches.

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Speaker 2: A lot harder to do.

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Speaker 1: Ready to put my.

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Speaker 2: Feet up, A lot of what is right? Like we

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Speaker 2: had to You know you do you probably need it

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Speaker 2: telling me playing act.

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Speaker 1: I'm cleanly shaved for the first time, for which I

1410
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to do. My trimmer broke and now everybody's

1411
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: seeing what was under there, and yeah I needed the steps.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. All right. So some of these emails

1413
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Speaker 2: here that we can get into. I wanted to start

1414
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: here with Nick emailed in about Andrew Berry, the Browns

1415
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: general manager, made some made some waves yesterday when he

1416
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: said that they view Cleveland I've used Travis Hunter as

1417
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Speaker 2: a wide receiver, and you know, he's kind of surprised,

1418
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: I guess, and we've sort of been talking about this

1419
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: a little bit that it's not more consensus given the

1420
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 2: positional value. What did you think of Berry saying that,

1421
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Speaker 2: because I think he's kind of the first top decision

1422
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: maker to just come out and say I prefer him

1423
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Speaker 2: as a wide receiver.

1424
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Speaker 1: So, first off, combine moment for me talking about the

1425
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Speaker 1: son a podcast by my table on Radio Row yesterday

1426
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: went with Andrew Callahan. As I'm saying it, andrews eys

1427
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: get kind of wide and I'm like, you know it

1428
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: was Barry that said that, right. He goes, yeah, it

1429
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: was just right behind you while you were saying it

1430
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Speaker 1: that was fun. Doesn't surprise me because I think for

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Speaker 1: the Browns that makes sense. The they had like one

1432
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: of the few positions that they're kind of set with

1433
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: this corner they've Denzel Ward knew some. They got a

1434
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: couple of good corners over there. They don't really have

1435
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: a ton at receiver beyond Judy, so they need a

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: receiver more. He probably is a better fit for the

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Speaker 1: Browns at receiver. That makes sense. But if they're gauging

1438
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: it that closely, every time it's doing their every team

1439
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: is doing their due diligence. If they're gauging at that closely,

1440
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: is that a sign that he's you know, maybe the Browns.

1441
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: I know he said they might be locked in on quarterback,

1442
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: but are they considering Travis Hunter. Yeah, they've gotten to

1443
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: that point of the evaluation.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great that somebody, you know, because I've

1445
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: been on the Travis Hunter wide receiver train for a while.

1446
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: I think it's great to hear that from a general

1447
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: manager because I do you watch the tape like he's

1448
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: a dynamic impact wide receiver in my opinion, at the

1449
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Speaker 2: next level, and they're not a lot of those in

1450
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Speaker 2: this draft. We just mentioned that, but I think he

1451
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: can truly be one of those guys that I would

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Speaker 2: put into a similar tier, yeah, as some of the

1453
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Speaker 2: guys last year, you know, Roma Dune Day, Brian Thomas Junior.

1454
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Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't put him in the neighbors Marvin Harrison

1455
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: junior tier, but I have him right in that mix

1456
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: for you wide receiver four, you know, wide receiver three,

1457
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: something like that in that draft last year. And it's

1458
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: interesting that somebody would say that. Now. The tricky part

1459
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: is it's much easier in my opinion, to major in

1460
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: corner and minor and receiver than he is to major

1461
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Speaker 2: in receiver and minor in corner. So if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: play him at wide receiver predominantly and he's gonna major

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Speaker 2: in playing receiver, like, what's the plan to get him

1464
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: involved on defense? Or you're just saying we don't need it.

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Speaker 1: So we've kind of talked about like two minute drills

1466
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: right obvious past situation late in games, but so much

1467
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Speaker 1: of playing corner is feeling out the receiver over the

1468
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Speaker 1: course of the game, and you don't get to do

1469
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Speaker 1: that if you're only playing at part time. So it

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Speaker 1: is worth considering that if he's playing corner, he might

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Speaker 1: just be be playing corner the one I wonder, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he would go for this. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play a part time at defense, he playm

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Speaker 1: at safety, And do you just tell him against certain

1475
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: teams in certain spots we're gonna push up top because

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: he can play true centerfield. I think he can play

1477
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Speaker 1: true single high. He doesn't really do it at Colorado,

1478
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: but I just look at his athleticism, his instincts is

1479
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Speaker 1: ball skills. I think it translates if you give enough

1480
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: time to work on it and practice. Do you just

1481
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: say you can cover the whole field right sideland a

1482
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: sideline when we get into third and fifteen, when we

1483
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: get into a two minute drill, when we get up

1484
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: twenty one teams throwing, we're just gonna throw you back

1485
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: there on the back end and have you patrol deep,

1486
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: and then that allows us play ten up front.

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Speaker 2: So you're essentially asking him to be like a more

1488
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: souped up Deron Harmon.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, well, I was gonna go

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Speaker 1: too far. I was gonna say part time ed Reid.

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Speaker 1: But somewhere somewhere between the two, yes.

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01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: But those are two very far poles. But like Deron,

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Speaker 2: Harmon is the guy that on third and month he

1494
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: was gonna play up top. Is Devin to play robber,

1495
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: Patrick Chunk play in the slot and play tight ends

1496
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: and things like that, And that's how they kind of

1497
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: all got to their sweet spots in that defense, you know.

1498
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: And when the Patriots, right, I just think if you're

1499
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: gonna do it part time, because part of playing part

1500
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: time alsome he's practicing a part time right, Yeah, I

1501
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: feel like that's an easier role to just sort of

1502
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: step into and get your individual assignment versus playing corner

1503
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: where you really have to study, Like you don't you

1504
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: still to study receivers, but like we hear, like great corners, right,

1505
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: Steph Gilmore has talked about this, Christian has alwas talked

1506
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: about this. Gilmore especially would talk about like, yeah, if

1507
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: this guy's foot was at this angle when he was

1508
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: lined up versus like two degrees differently this way, like

1509
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: I knew what route he was running, right. That takes

1510
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours to study. And Travis Hunter

1511
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: is a film junkie. We know that he's talked about

1512
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: that a lot. But you gotta study a lot of

1513
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: film on offense too, because you're probably doing that for

1514
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: the opposing corner. So to be able to do both

1515
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 1: of those things, it's tougher is if you're at safety,

1516
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: you're just kind of back reading the picture in front

1517
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 1: of you. It's more big.

1518
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: Picture, Okay, I could see that. All right. A bunch

1519
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 2: of questions about this, and I'm glad that the emailer

1520
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: has brought it up because, like we've been saying, my

1521
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: mind kind of let it, let it slip when we

1522
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: were on the breaking news part of the show. But

1523
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: Harold Landry, it sounds like that he is going to

1524
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: be on the trade block on the move that came

1525
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: out earlier this morning, and obviously a very huge connection

1526
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,879
Speaker 2: to Mike. I think Mike drafted Herod land.

1527
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: I believe, I know Landry had the most sacks of

1528
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: any Titan during Verble.

1529
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent. Sure that I think you're

1530
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: pick uh now, some.

1531
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: Of the the that's you know, sort of the pro

1532
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: right of you know, familiarity with Rabel, familiarity with the system,

1533
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: productive in the system still had I want to say,

1534
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: nine sacks last year.

1535
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: I mean, not a big pressure guy last year, but

1536
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: still cleaned up a little bit. Uh with the sack numbers,

1537
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: so non sacks yep, and twenty eight years old, so

1538
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: not not ancient, right, Like I you know, we were

1539
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 2: talking about this earlier and I was like, isn't he

1540
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 2: like really old?

1541
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:46,839
Speaker 1: Thought he's forty?

1542
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I was, I was obviously exagger.

1543
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even forty exaggerating means you think he's like

1544
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty five.

1545
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was like his into his thirties

1546
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: because I just feel like I've been familiar with the

1547
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: player for a long time. I guess I'm you know,

1548
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 2: time flies. The downside, I suppose, is the seventeen point

1549
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: five million dollars that he's due on his rest of

1550
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: his contract over the next two years. He's I think

1551
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: he's that's it's it's seventeen point five next year. I

1552
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 2: don't know what it is in the second year. Regardless,

1553
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 2: he's not a seventeen point five million dollars year player anymore.

1554
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: And on top of that, if you're also giving up

1555
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 2: some sort of trade compensation to make it happen. Now,

1556
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: usually these stairdowns can end in just an outright release,

1557
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: maybe post June one cut something like that when team,

1558
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, the team recognizes we're not gonna get anything

1559
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: for him, or you know, we'll just let him lose.

1560
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: So maybe that could be the case, and you know,

1561
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 2: he just becomes a free agent and were able can

1562
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 2: sway him to come here to play with him and

1563
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: Terrell Williams again. But what are your thoughts overall now

1564
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: that I laid it down on Harold Er?

1565
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they need multiple pass rushers. Is he

1566
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: their answer at the top, you know, the guy you're

1567
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: building it around. Probably not. Is he a really good

1568
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: second guy, really good clean up guys you like to

1569
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: call it. Yeah, he would be. And he's a guy

1570
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,799
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about. You know how desirable the destination

1571
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots really are in free agency and sometimes you

1572
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: know how many times we've done this with players last

1573
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: couple of years. You can't just wait for him to

1574
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: get cut. You can't just wait for me forree agency

1575
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: because he won't sign here. You get a trade for him, Landry,

1576
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: you can sell. They should be able to sell Landry

1577
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: by putting him back, like you said with Mike Grabel

1578
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: and Terrell Williams. Not worth paying seventeen million, especially if

1579
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: you're giving up something on top of that. But he's

1580
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: a guy that I feel pretty comfortable that if he

1581
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: got to free agency, New England be his top destination

1582
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: because to sell to him, like I say, he's a

1583
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: younger guy, one year, come here to a system you

1584
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 1: know you can succeed in. You've proven to have success

1585
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: in sign a one year deal. We're gonna get you

1586
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: going again. We're gonna get your double digit sacks and

1587
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: boom you go next year and you get paid at

1588
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: thirty here or somewhere else, right. That would be my

1589
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: pitch to Harold Landry.

1590
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: So I do think there are maybe some injuries that

1591
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: have piled up there for Landry to just you know,

1592
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 2: a lot of usage, a lot of miles over the

1593
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: last couple of years. But out of all the hypothetical

1594
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: this you know name you know just became available via trade,

1595
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: I kind of like this one the most, probably just

1596
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 2: because of the familiarity with the scheme in freegel that

1597
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: it just feels like we just talked about this off

1598
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 2: the top of the show, that six eight, ten quality

1599
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 2: veteran starter contributors in free agency or the veteran market,

1600
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: that's what he is right now. That's what Harold Landry

1601
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: is right now, that's a multiplayer. So you acquire Harold Madry,

1602
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: maybe you restructure the contract for the year to make

1603
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: it more digestible for the Patriots, not that they need

1604
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 2: the cap space, but just from a value standpoint to

1605
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: your point, maybe resets his value and now you have

1606
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: a guy in Harold Landry that can play the role,

1607
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 2: that can play the position, and you're not panicking that

1608
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 2: you need an edge rusher in the draft necessarily. Now,

1609
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: if abdual Carter falls to you, you still take Abdual Carter,

1610
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: but you're not in this hole all got, you know,

1611
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 2: where's the pass rush coming from? The Other thing I

1612
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: like about Landry just you know, looking at his stats

1613
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: last year and some of the tape that I've seen

1614
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: of him from last year, he's one of those guys

1615
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: that's really good at cleaning up. Like he's not necessarily

1616
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: gonna be the guy that gets the primary pressure. But

1617
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 2: just assuming you know, fingers crossed, And I guess we

1618
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: should talk a little bit about bar Moore two and

1619
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: his status. You know, if you do have a Christian Barmore,

1620
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: if you do have Keon White, they're gonna pick a

1621
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: defensive lineman or a defensive front player in the in

1622
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: the top one hundred, whether it's Day one or day two,

1623
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: they're gonna pick somebody. So if you have these guys

1624
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: that can all bring that immediate disruption, it is Harold

1625
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 2: Landry the guy that can mop up and just get this,

1626
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: get the quarterback, you know, on the ground. Nine Sacks

1627
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: suggests that he could still probably do that. Yeah, so

1628
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: I like all those things with Harold Landry. I'm for

1629
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: this one. Like usually I'm not for these, like Cooper Cups,

1630
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 2: Joey Bosas, like.

1631
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: Those types of things.

1632
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: Young enough, and yeah, I like this one a little bit.

1633
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: All right, another email here, Bill and san Diego said,

1634
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: you know, in order, you know, we were talking about

1635
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: Hunter majoring and wide receiver and minoring in corner would

1636
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: be a little bit challenging. He know, he he brings

1637
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: up guys like Troy Brown. Now Troy Brown was at

1638
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 2: a desperation. Yeah, that that was different.

1639
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: He played corner out of desperation, and if I remember correctly,

1640
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: his wide receiver role decreased in those games.

1641
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 2: I would think so.

1642
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like he was doing that. He had

1643
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: a limit. What he was otherwise doing.

1644
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like to me, uh, the examples

1645
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 2: of like Troy Brown, uh, the example of Julian Edelman

1646
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 2: even right, like.

1647
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: M wasn't playing receiver at the time, but not full time.

1648
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,440
Speaker 2: Those things were done out of desperation because the Patriots

1649
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: were decimated by injuries at cornerback. Yeah, and so they

1650
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 2: had they needed bodies. That that's not you're asking. You're

1651
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: hoping that Travis Hunter is gonna make an impact on defense, right, Uh,

1652
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 2: you know sort of like what when when Marcus Jones's

1653
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 2: mood lights on offense? Right, like that that sort of thing,

1654
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 2: the spark. Yeah, I I don't think that I get

1655
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: what the email are saying that it's been done, you

1656
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 2: know the other guy that it's it's been done. The

1657
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 2: other way that some people bring up is like Champ Bailey, right,

1658
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: who who it in college? Like Travis Hunter did and

1659
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 2: then did it very minimally, but like did it.

1660
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: A little bit like kind of like remember Champ Bailly

1661
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: doing any NFL?

1662
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah he has. And that's like a comp that some

1663
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: people I've used for for Hunters in generally just overall

1664
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 2: Champ Billy all right, A couple of prospect you know

1665
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: type emails here getting in Mark from Connecticut, one of

1666
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 2: our our very loyal listeners. Uh. He brought up Harold

1667
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: Fannon Junior at a bowling Green And the reason why,

1668
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's a good topic is because

1669
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: one of the three positions Elliott Wolf mentioned at the

1670
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: podium that he likes in this draft, defensive line, was

1671
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 2: kind of in its own tier, right. He was very

1672
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 2: high on the defensive line, tight end, and running back.

1673
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 2: So he kind of feels like the consensus I think,

1674
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty safe consensus sort of answer there.

1675
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: But Harold Fannin's in that group with Elijah Royo and

1676
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: Mason Taylor and gunner Helm gunner Helm that they're all

1677
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: kind of us together there on day two. The thing

1678
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: that scares me a little bit about Harrold Fannon is

1679
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 2: him in this offense particularly. Yep, it's a little John

1680
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: now Smith.

1681
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: That's my comp form, I mean, regardless of the Patriots,

1682
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: like overall, that's that's the come.

1683
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you hear you know, a little bit

1684
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: John new Smith, a little bit of Isaiah Likely like that,

1685
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, type of player.

1686
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: Scheme touch player he is. He wasn't used that way

1687
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: in college, but like in the NFL.

1688
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: That yeah, you know you hear some crazy like, oh

1689
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 2: he's kind of you know, got some Travis kelcey at

1690
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: the top of the route, Like I, I guess no

1691
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: one's Travis kelce Uh So I don't as Kelsey isn't even.

1692
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: The player people talk about Travis Kelsey.

1693
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 2: But the point being a I like the player in general.

1694
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 2: You know, with Fannin, if I was just grading the

1695
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: player for a generic football team, you know, like a

1696
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 2: created team, I would say that I like the player,

1697
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 2: but I do worry about that type of guy. Maybe

1698
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: it's just some Johnny Smith PTSD.

1699
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about, like for a long time, Josh McDaniels.

1700
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: That's kind of been the blind spot is the scheme

1701
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: touch guys. He hasn't figured him out. I also, and

1702
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: I think this comp goes both ways. There's a little

1703
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts in his game too, So.

1704
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I think Kyle Pitts is

1705
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: more bigger and like more of like a receiver playing.

1706
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: But like I fan in for the Patriots to me,

1707
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: if they're gonna get a tight end, they should get

1708
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: their kind of tight end. If you want to add

1709
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: that element to the offense. Find a slot receiver or

1710
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: find like get that guy later, get a guy like

1711
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: Kevin Bartholomew. Where you're not wasting such a high pick

1712
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: or not I should say wasting, but risking such a

1713
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: high pick.

1714
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had to take a tight end and

1715
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: not range of the draft, I'm not a I'm also

1716
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a huge Arroyo guy, because I mean,

1717
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: I think Royo is is a receiver playing tight end.

1718
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 2: You know. I think that he can he can really

1719
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: get up the seam. You know, he can really run

1720
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: the you know, stretch the field vertically from inside the formation.

1721
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: He can run crossers and run away from defenders that way,

1722
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: especially in the middle of the field. Ye I see

1723
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 2: this skill set, and I see what everybody's you know,

1724
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: excited about with the Royo. But I'm a little bit

1725
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: intrigued by Mason Taylor, Like I see a little bit

1726
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 2: of everything there, like the body type. I don't think

1727
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 2: he's a great blocker yet, but I think he's got

1728
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: the body type to be a good blocker. And I

1729
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: think he's got some receiving upside, athletic upside. I'm also

1730
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: a sucker for the pedigree thing like with his father

1731
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: and all that.

1732
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: And I think everything you hear about him in the

1733
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: LSU And I know we went down this road last

1734
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: year and it didn't work out. But I do think

1735
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: if there's one thing they're in a copy from last

1736
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: year's draft, and people are probably rolling their eyes, but

1737
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: if there's one thing you're in a copy, Remember we

1738
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: came away from the draft like they drafted the leaders, right,

1739
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk for you know, the bad play. He was

1740
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be this guy that was, you know, a

1741
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: little more mature than the average rookie. Obviously, Drake May,

1742
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: Joe Milton, character guy.

1743
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1744
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: It was a lot of these not the whole draft,

1745
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: but a lot of these guys. You you know, people

1746
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: raved about how they were in the locker room. You

1747
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 1: hear a lot about that with Mason Taylor, that he

1748
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: was like a big part of the culture at LSU,

1749
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: which has always been a strong culture program even when

1750
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: the team's maybe not that good. So I that, like,

1751
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: I would like to see them continue to do that

1752
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: because these players you're drafting this year are still foundational.

1753
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair, all right. This is from Noah in Toronto,

1754
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: that's saying that I underrate Drake London because Drake London

1755
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 2: is usually my Teed McMillan co Drake London is a.

1756
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: Really good number two wide receiver, really really, so you know, he.

1757
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: Has his stats here. I didn't realize he had thirteen

1758
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 2: hundred yards last year. But it's also in seventeen games.

1759
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 2: But who else they throw the ballt in nine touchdowns,

1760
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: darnahld Moody. Don't disrespect Darnald this is one.

1761
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: Other guy, all right, Darnah Moody. They don't exactly have

1762
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: a wide range of targets.

1763
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 2: Okay, So the way I look at it, and Noah

1764
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: said he would be thrilled with Drake London at the

1765
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 2: number four pick. He has a case this year that,

1766
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: given the talent at the top of the draft is

1767
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: what it is, you could make a case that a

1768
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: Drake London type player is a good pick in this class.

1769
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'll be honest, that's the case. I've

1770
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 1: been making a tackle, right. I've said, if Will Campbell

1771
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: becomes Nate Solder, he's your starting left tackle for ten years.

1772
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: And maybe he's not an All Pro, but he's like

1773
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: solid and you don't need to replace him in whatever

1774
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: in this draft, I'll take that guy at four. So

1775
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna say i'll take that guy at for

1776
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: a tackle, I think I kind of have to say

1777
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: I'll take that guy fo it receiver, right, you're a

1778
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: little take corner. We'll take cornered now. But now that

1779
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: being said, if I had to choose between that tackle

1780
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: or that receiver, like equal caliber players, which position this

1781
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: We talked about this, I think last week, right with

1782
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: the tie breakers, yeah, give me the tackle. Yeah, if

1783
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 1: they're the same caliber player, I will take the tackle.

1784
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: But I can't say that, you know, Will Campbell being

1785
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: Nate Solder would be this great success, while Teed McMillan

1786
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: being Drake London would be a bust. I don't think

1787
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: I can say that.

1788
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 2: That's that's very noble you, that's very fair objective. Now

1789
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: when I say that, I.

1790
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: Don't get yelled at for being a hypocrite.

1791
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: When I say that about Drake London and Ted and

1792
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: all that, I think I where I'm coming from is

1793
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: if I'm taking a receiver at four, overall, I need

1794
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: to be able to project Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson like

1795
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: I need to be able to project.

1796
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fairly.

1797
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: If you're going that high in the draft, like that

1798
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: guy needs to turn into a Jamar Chase. Like you

1799
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: need to be talking about a superstar receiver.

1800
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you just named who, just say Calvin Johnson

1801
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: and Julio Jones and Jamar. Yeah, I'll give you Jamar

1802
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: for like, all right, whatever, semantics.

1803
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: It's semantics, but you need to be projecting. In my opinion,

1804
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: the ceiling there.

1805
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: Needs to be different between wide receiver and tackle. That's

1806
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: a fair point.

1807
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 2: I didn't think of that, And now I'm taking covered

1808
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 2: my I covered my ass now. I I just that's

1809
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 2: the way I look at it with receivers.

1810
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: Why why don't you look at that way?

1811
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1812
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: I think i'll tell you why. I know why, I'll

1813
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: tell you.

1814
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. You're you're right, it's

1815
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:07,799
Speaker 2: a fair.

1816
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Point because you value tackles more than you value receivers.

1817
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: I value tackles a little bit more. And I also

1818
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: would say that there's different avenues to acquire receivers that.

1819
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 2: Have teed McMillan's skill level. It's tougher to get to tackle,

1820
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: and I just I gotta be honest, and this is

1821
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 2: probably not the best way to approach it, and this

1822
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: is probably why I'm not in charge, and I shouldn't be.

1823
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is is that I'm kind of

1824
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 2: sick of watching Drake may on his butt, like like,

1825
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: you got the.

1826
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: Frame, that's value.

1827
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 2: There you go. You got the franchise, right, like you

1828
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 2: need to protect the franchise now, You're right. Though, if

1829
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna say that we would take Will Campbell in

1830
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: this draft even though he's not a joalt level prospect,

1831
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 2: that we kind of have to say the same thing

1832
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: about Drake London not being in Molik Neighbors level prospect

1833
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: right or Marvin Harrison junior level prospect. But that's just

1834
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 2: the way I look at receivers. Here's the next one

1835
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 2: from Kyle and Pembroke, also a regular listener. Uh. The

1836
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: other name it's being floated around the combine this week

1837
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 2: in terms of veterans available on the trade market is

1838
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: Jaiyir Alexander. I'll say this off the top, I love

1839
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,759
Speaker 2: Jay Alexanders. That guy's a dog. So do you remember

1840
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: that guy's a great player, but he's been hurt and

1841
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: that you know he's he hasn't really played like a Tony.

1842
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: He did and he got suspended for it, but I

1843
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: loved it. He like they were playing back.

1844
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: I think it was.

1845
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: They were playing in Carolina, where he's from, and the

1846
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: Packers like rotate. They don't have defined captains for all

1847
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: six spots. They rotate guys or something like that. Yeah,

1848
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: and he wanted to be a captain at home, but

1849
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't. But he went out for the coin toss anyway,

1850
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and they asked Hi about and he was like, I

1851
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: decided I'm a captain. Like as nuts as that sounds like,

1852
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: you need to think that way to be a corner

1853
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 1: in this league. You need to have that level of

1854
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: confidence to be an elite corner in this league. If

1855
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: another position did that, I might feel differently. A cornerback

1856
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: saying no, efitt, I'm a captain of this team. That

1857
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: kind of rules. I'm sorry. That kind of rules so

1858
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: healthy Gyre Alexander is a baller. He's only twenty eight

1859
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: years old. Now here's the games that he's played in

1860
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: the last four seasons.

1861
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: Seven games. Seven games he played sixteen and twenty twenty two,

1862
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 2: and he went to the Pro Bowl and was a

1863
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 2: second Team All Pro four games, So three out of

1864
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 2: the last four years he hasn't even made it half

1865
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: the season, and at that price tag and for the

1866
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 2: level player that he this is why he's available, right,

1867
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: Like this is Russ is why he's available. So I

1868
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: don't for that reason, I might be out. You know,

1869
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 2: he's not healthy, he's not available, he doesn't play. But

1870
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: I do love the player when he is healthy. So

1871
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if they did something like JayR Alexander

1872
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 2: am I, I'm not going to be I'm not gonna

1873
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: be mad at It's kind of like what I was

1874
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 2: saying earlier about receiver with like a lave and Jamison Williams,

1875
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 2: and like, if that's a swing that they take on

1876
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: a veteran player and and hope that it works out,

1877
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: then I really like he won that.

1878
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: Coins won that.

1879
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: Uh he was he was. He was a clearly great

1880
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: player in his draft like.

1881
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: That unbelievable player. I've always been a fan of him.

1882
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: Unbelievable player, underrated.

1883
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, Patty, Patty chimes in, So Patty, you

1884
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 2: couldn't get him on the phone, so I got him

1885
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 2: an email. Uh. His Dion Walker comp is Alan Branch

1886
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 2: What do you think of that one.

1887
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: I think Alan Branch was more of like that true

1888
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: nose tackle. Maybe I'm under selling Alan Branch. I don't

1889
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: remember him being that athletic, good player, though underrated player,

1890
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: underrated championship player for the Patriots. He's a big part

1891
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: of that defense when they won the super Bowl with him.

1892
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: But I don't know that i'd make that comp Yeah,

1893
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: that's fair. Great player though great player. Not enough people

1894
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: talk about Alan Branch and how much he did for

1895
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: the Patriots. So good name Paul Patty.

1896
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 2: Okay? Uh so, uh, Paul is is upset about Elliott Wolf.

1897
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: This is not Paul Parillo. This is another an Paul.

1898
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: Just just for the record, that wasn't as bad as

1899
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, me breaking news on behalf of my grease,

1900
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: which was not what.

1901
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: Yesterday signed a contract as Mike Grave was going to

1902
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: the boat.

1903
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's not put it back out there and

1904
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 2: confuse people more.

1905
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1906
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: Anyways, uh you know, he he lays it out here.

1907
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't need to get in. We all know. The

1908
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: particular is the draft wasn't good last year. Free agency

1909
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 2: wasn't good last year. Wolf owned that today. So I'm

1910
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,560
Speaker 2: not breaking any News with that, but he asked the

1911
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: million dollar question, which to be fair, you know, towards

1912
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: the end there with Drod Mayo, we got the same question. Yeah,

1913
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: you know, what does what does Elliott Wolf bring to

1914
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 2: the table? You know what what makes you feel like

1915
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 2: you know he's the right man for the job. I

1916
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 2: think the one thing that I always go back on

1917
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 2: with Elliot Wolf And when we were talking to him earlier,

1918
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: this is his thirty first combine. Yeah, because he's been

1919
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: coming to the Combine with his father since he was

1920
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 2: a little kid, and he told a great story about

1921
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 2: how his father had him tracking broad jumps one of

1922
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 2: the combines that he was at when he was still

1923
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: you know, a kid or teenager or whatever, and for

1924
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the the the official record keeper lost the

1925
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: broad jumps that didn't have him. So the only person

1926
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: that recorded every single prod jump at the Combine that

1927
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: year was a young Elliott Wolf. So the NFL used

1928
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf's broad jumps at the Combine. That's that's it.

1929
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: It's the pedigree, right, It's the bloodlines and the fact

1930
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: that out of everything that you could say about last offseason,

1931
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: all that he he's been around it and he's got

1932
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,799
Speaker 2: a resume of an NFL general.

1933
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: And like any field sports are not, there's an element

1934
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: of it that's political. And this is a guy that

1935
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: has been around and knows people and when you want

1936
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: to try to trade, when you're trying to you know,

1937
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: navigate through the agents and the gms and this and that.

1938
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 1: He's been on those roads. Ryan Cowden has as well,

1939
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: but not for as long Mike Rabel has been a

1940
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: head coach, so he's done it to an extent. Elie, Well,

1941
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: it's been around the block with these guys. He knows,

1942
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 1: he knows the ins and outs.

1943
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a fair email, Paul like, yeah,

1944
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 2: you know, it's a fair question.

1945
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 1: Is that he's out to prove himself right? Is that

1946
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: all enough to give him like full control of the roster?

1947
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: I don't think so, but I I he doesn't bring

1948
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: nothing to the table.

1949
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Uh. Luther Burden question, uh yeah from Jeremiah.

1950
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 2: You know with the buzz around the combine right now

1951
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 2: that Luther Burden could fall out of the first round,

1952
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: are you interested at thirty eight? Yes? Yeah, me as well.

1953
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: I would be interested in slight trade up as well.

1954
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: I think he's He's everything you've wanted them to having

1955
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: a receiver for a while. Oh yeah, explosive, H three

1956
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: level playmaker. It's got that attitude and in a good way.

1957
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: I know it showed up in a bad way last year,

1958
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: but in a good way. And I the quote from

1959
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: the scout about he's you know, he got bored with

1960
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: Missouri's offense assuming they use him in the role. I

1961
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: think they would use him in and that guy's not

1962
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: getting bored. And Josh mcdames, it's gonna be one hundred

1963
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: running target if I was going to say thirty or

1964
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: four hundred, thirty hundred and forty. So I really like

1965
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Luther Burden. There was a time where I considered him

1966
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 1: the best receiver in this draft. I'm not quite there anymore.

1967
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I think the gap between him and McMillan, though for

1968
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: me is small, is smaller than his for a lot

1969
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:20,919
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, I think for the right I wouldn't.

1970
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I would need to know the team. I don't know

1971
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: that he's a blanket first round talent, but I think

1972
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: on certain teams he's certainly worth the first round pick

1973
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: if you have certain infrastructure in place. But to get

1974
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: him in the second at this point, if I'm any

1975
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: team to get that skill set in the building, absolutely absolutely,

1976
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: I think.

1977
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 2: He with the right coaching.

1978
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: It's not going to step in day one and do it,

1979
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: but I think with the right coaching, he can be

1980
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: a game changer.

1981
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: He's when Luther Burden is right, or actually just say

1982
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Luther Burden and he was right the

1983
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: whole season. He's an easily top twenty, top fifteen talent

1984
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 2: in this class. I think that that goes out saying

1985
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 2: he's what I love about Luther Burden and that type

1986
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 2: of receiver as you were talking about, just a three

1987
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 2: level separator, Like you can hit him on quick hitters

1988
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field and he'll catch and

1989
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: run with it for an explosive. And the route at

1990
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: the top and he can catch and run with it

1991
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 2: for another explosive. Like any route can be a touchdown. Yeah,

1992
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: he's got that ability to dynamic playmaking ability everywhere on

1993
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 2: the field. Yeah, all three levels of the defense, crossing routes, digs,

1994
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, big digs, things like that, verticals, quick touches,

1995
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 2: scheme touches, you know, quick hitters, scheme touches, all of it.

1996
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 2: I love the player he got thirty eight. I mean,

1997
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 2: it's a no brainer to me because you're getting a

1998
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 2: guy that's first round talent. That's when you pick those guys.

1999
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: I will say he might fall throd that though if

2000
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: he got further, like does he get if he falls?

2001
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 2: If he falls further than that, then it's more than

2002
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 2: just what happened last.

2003
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: Does he get the eighty Mitchell treatment?

2004
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 2: Like he could?

2005
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like that wouldn't surprise me. And

2006
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 1: that's there. I do have a roll thumb. At a

2007
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: certain point where we hear some things, we don't hear everything.

2008
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: The guy starts falling that far, it's like, all right,

2009
01:32:59,080 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: somebody knows something.

2010
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 2: I'd yeah, all right, David and Madrid's got a couple

2011
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 2: questions for us. But first before his actual questions, Uh,

2012
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 2: he says he's loving watching Barth at the combine. He

2013
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: said that you look like a kid in Disneyland. Uh. Hey,

2014
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 2: we gotta like, we gotta, you know, talk about this

2015
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 2: for a second, like what what what's your favorite part

2016
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: so far that you're willing to share on here? What's

2017
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 2: your favorite part so far about about your first combine?

2018
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 2: This is big news, people, want to know.

2019
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: So this is cool right now again, to talk to

2020
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 1: lanzer Line was awesome.

2021
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was super cool.

2022
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Uh And and some of the other other interviews that

2023
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I did Mark Ross this morning was awesome. Jeff Howe.

2024
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Yesterday I talked to some of the local guys as well,

2025
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: do more talking about prospects. Interesting because I feel like

2026
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: you can be looser with these guys than maybe you are,

2027
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: like a guy that's already like it's not quite media

2028
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: Monday at the Super Bowl where things get really off

2029
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: the rails, but there is like I would surprised how

2030
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: many college football writers are here and guys asking about

2031
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: what can you tell us about your teammate? What can

2032
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: you tell us about you know this guy? What can

2033
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: you tell us about facing this guy? So like I

2034
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: feel like that relaxed the environment a little bit, so

2035
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: being able, Like I was asking a bunch of the

2036
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: defensive linemen today. I know you're making fun of me

2037
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 1: for asking him if they met with the Patriots, But.

2038
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: Did you see that guy? I'm sorry to interrupt you,

2039
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 2: but there's a guy walking around that had a sweatshirt

2040
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: on and said have you met with and then like

2041
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: a fill in the blank and I really want to

2042
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 2: buy one because after today, I don't know what the

2043
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 2: Patriots no.

2044
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 1: But I that's not how So I was asking about well,

2045
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 1: I asked a couple of guys, and I got some

2046
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: good answers, like what is it like how different is

2047
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: it when you meet with Mike Rabel or a guy

2048
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: that's coached in this league, a guy that's played in

2049
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: this league versus a guy that hasn't. And so that's

2050
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: where like TJ. Sanders was telling me that he hasn't

2051
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 1: met with the Patriots here, but he met with him

2052
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and Mike Rabel was literally coaching

2053
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 1: up and telling him like parts of his game, like hey,

2054
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 1: if you do this differently, this will improve. And you know,

2055
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: obviously that's football coaching, but a guy that's played can

2056
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: give that insight. I also really enjoyed asking some of

2057
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: the linemen, like who is the best offensive lineman you faced?

2058
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, I do actually like that question, I was teasing.

2059
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 2: I got.

2060
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: I especially made a point because he can't talk to

2061
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: everybody who's like eight, ten, twelve podiums at once, so

2062
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: it's tough to get to everyone. So I tried to

2063
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: make a point to do that with the SEC guys.

2064
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: A lot of Will Campbell, a lot of Calvin Banks.

2065
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: Those are the most of the answers. Tyler Booker from

2066
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,759
Speaker 1: Alabama was a guy I got a couple of times.

2067
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: The interesting one is a good note for the Patriots.

2068
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: So I mostly asked the edge guys because I wanted

2069
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 1: to hear about the tackles. But I did ask a

2070
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: couple of interior defensive guys. I want to say it

2071
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: was Nick Gordon who said this, but I don't remember exactly.

2072
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Cooper Mays, who's the center at Tennessee, who is the

2073
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: brother of Cade Mays, who I really liked in the

2074
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,600
Speaker 1: draft a couple of years ago, son of coach. Patriots

2075
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: might need a center on Day three, they might be

2076
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: looking there. Cooper May's at A couple of guys, tell me,

2077
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: interior guys, tell me Cooper Mason. Tennessee was a tough battle.

2078
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 2: So there you go. I actually did ask Kyle Canard, Canard,

2079
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 2: you're the name guy. Yeah, I did ask Kyle Canard

2080
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 2: about Will Campbell, his matchup with Will Campbell last year. Yeah,

2081
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 2: he got him as good as anybody. Yeah, he got

2082
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 2: him with a couple of times, crossing his face on

2083
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: the inside. Those are like the clips that you see

2084
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: of you know, he Will Campbell over sets. Like if

2085
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: you wanted an example of that, a tangible clip example,

2086
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 2: you go to that game and pull the Kyle Canard

2087
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 2: l's that Campbell took. And he was kind of diplomatic

2088
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: about it. You know, he didn't exactly, you know, go

2089
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: too hard at Will Campbell, but he said its a

2090
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 2: good battle and you know, just the iron sharp and

2091
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 2: iron that type of thing. So I do like that question.

2092
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 2: It is interesting, you know, ask the corners, the receivers,

2093
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: the receivers, the corners, you know, the tackles with the

2094
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: edge rushers, you know that sort of thing.

2095
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 1: So there was one really interesting answer I got from

2096
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,679
Speaker 1: Princely woman me Ellen from Little Miss, who said Will

2097
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: Campbell and I asked. He said he'd never seen a

2098
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: tackle run block like that. And obviously we're you know,

2099
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about these guys, his pass boxers and protecting

2100
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Drake May. But he said he'd never seen tackle like

2101
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: that aggressive and that ferocious in the run game. So

2102
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: that was interesting perspective. Okay, give it what you will, but.

2103
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 2: Do you have an all podium Honestly, this is big

2104
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 2: at the combine he got to give an All podium on.

2105
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: So we've only talked to one group me. Ellen was

2106
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, he had some good insight. He's very conversational. Yep.

2107
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: Scrton was really good. Kind of talked about his background,

2108
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: how he got here's the guy wh's played a lot

2109
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: of different position. Gave some insight into that and Ben

2110
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: SAAL's I got to talk. There was a line for

2111
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Ben Saws. I had to wait, No, you did it? Yeah, no,

2112
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: there was a lot. Legitimately there was. I think he

2113
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: was from Pittsburgh. The guy he must have been from

2114
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh got in front of me because I heard him

2115
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: asking other players about Steelers. But yeah, I got like

2116
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: three or four questions. Ben SAAL's intense guy. And if

2117
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: they want like intense people, guy, don't get me wrong,

2118
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: he was, but intense.

2119
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 2: We're getting this is a Bomber moment.

2120
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the little Bomber moment means at the in the

2121
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: college Bombers where we went to school.

2122
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Okay, mister Frog's behind the camera back there.

2123
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: He's you you gonna put a betch on your all

2124
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: All podium team. So it's betch. I think it's batch.

2125
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that it's not bech, it's betch yeah. Uh anyway, anyway,

2126
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: like you want your kickers to be intense, right and souls.

2127
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 1: You know. I asked him what it's like to be

2128
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: elected kicker, Like, turn't that many guys? He goes, I

2129
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: just want to be a great kicker. I was like,

2130
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: all right, I get that. And you know, I was like,

2131
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: an answer, you kicked an a paraphrase, kicked an Akracher stadium, Like,

2132
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: how does that help you in Lincoln? It's good for

2133
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: my resume, it's you know, respect his dam like he

2134
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: was just all business.

2135
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 2: I do have to mention this, and I don't. I

2136
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: don't think he'll mind. But my favorite thing about the

2137
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 2: combine is that like somebody that has not watched a

2138
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 2: second of film will just completely judge a guy off

2139
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 2: of his podium presence and just be like, I'm out,

2140
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 2: so one no socks comes after Mason Graham goes at

2141
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,720
Speaker 2: the podium and we can't draft that guy. And I

2142
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 2: was like, what do you mean. He's like, I won't

2143
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 2: I won't go too much into what he said, but

2144
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 2: that that's what he said. And I was just laughing

2145
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 2: so hard, and I was like, I mean, other than

2146
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 2: maybe Travis Hunters, probably the best tape in the entire draft.

2147
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 2: And I will say this about Mason Graham though the

2148
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: backup no socks, just a just a teeny weeny bit.

2149
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: I he he came as advertised in terms of his

2150
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 2: his demeanor and his personality. I don't necessarily think he's

2151
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,799
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be a ten year captain like Will Campbell,

2152
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 2: right like, I don't think he's gonna be our big, raw,

2153
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 2: raw guy speaking of the devil no socks on the

2154
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 2: on the scene. I don't think that he's gonna be

2155
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 2: one of those types of guys that's not necessarily a

2156
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 2: bad thing. But I couldn't help but feeling when when

2157
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 2: Mason Graham was up there that if Belichick was still

2158
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 2: in charge, this is just one of those guys that

2159
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 2: is going to quietly go about his business. He's gonna

2160
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 2: be in the building at six a m. He's gonna

2161
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 2: work his tail off, He's gonna be an excellent football player.

2162
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 2: It's not the flashy pick. It's not you know, the

2163
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 2: only difference between him and Gonzalz is Gonzalz was awesome

2164
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 2: at the combine in terms of the workout. But he's

2165
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 2: not going to be the best athlete. He's not going

2166
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 2: to be a first off the bus guy. He's not

2167
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 2: going to be a raw, raw vocal leader. But he's

2168
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 2: just gonna get crap done. He's just going to be

2169
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 2: a really good football player. If they still have any

2170
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 2: of that Belichick DNA in terms of that sort of thing,

2171
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 2: then I could see them gravitating towards Mason Graham. If

2172
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 2: if Rayone wants guys like him, like like Rabel, then

2173
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 2: that then that's not then it's Mike Campbell or yeah.

2174
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Uh the other the guy that I would say my

2175
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 2: all podium guy of the day, Jalen Walker from Georgia.

2176
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't. He had bigger crowd anybody. I think

2177
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: he had a bigger crowd than Graham. I couldn't get

2178
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: close enough to hear.

2179
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I loved him already on tape, you know,

2180
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 2: so I was already kind of swooning a little bit.

2181
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 2: But listening to him talk about some of the conversations

2182
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 2: that he's had with teams here at the Combine about

2183
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 2: his role at the next level, and he just was like,

2184
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 2: I can play four different positions on the defense, at

2185
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 2: a high level. You know, he can play off the ball,

2186
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 2: he can play edge. He said he thinks he can

2187
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 2: play nickel if you want him to. And then you

2188
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 2: know Nicol Sam yeah, you know, like a strong side

2189
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 2: nickel player. Yeah, yeah, you know, and I believe them,

2190
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 2: like like he's that kind of athlete you see, you hear,

2191
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you hear some Jamie Collins, like in

2192
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 2: terms of athletic freakish athleticism comparisons with Jalen Walker. He's

2193
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 2: an excellent, like third down situational pass rusher. I don't

2194
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: think that he's a full time edge player, but he's

2195
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 2: an excellent situational passer. Then on early downs he can

2196
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 2: play off the ball linebacker. So in that sense, you

2197
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 2: have like kind of that high tower Collins, you know,

2198
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: type of hybrid player. I get that it's probably not

2199
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 2: the the need pick, you know, in terms of tackle,

2200
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 2: edge rusher things like that with Jalen Walker. But I

2201
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 2: just all those Georgia guys, you just get up to

2202
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 2: the podium and they're so polished and yeah, so all

2203
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 2: the NFL training has already gone through their veins in

2204
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 2: terms of, you know, how to handle the media and

2205
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,800
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and he's an awesome player.

2206
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a really good player in the league.

2207
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 2: I think any other takeaways we talked about Mason Graham.

2208
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: That was important. I wanted to fit that in there

2209
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 2: than from today or yesterday before we talk about what's ahead.

2210
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 1: We can get to what's said.

2211
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: All right, So tomorrow on Thursday, we have the defensive

2212
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 2: backs and we have the tight ends. It's kind of

2213
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: a sneaky big day.

2214
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: Bryson has bit ten am. That's the one I'll be

2215
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be around obviously for all of them,

2216
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: but that's the one I'm interested. I think we're gonna

2217
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: get some goo stuff.

2218
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Sneaky big day, really really great tight end classes we

2219
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 2: talked about a little bit today.

2220
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: You know who's on that list too. We could talk

2221
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: to tomorrow and he's gonna be in the same spot.

2222
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Ben Salz was to Robbie Oots.

2223
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 2: Robbie Oots full back, Robbioots.

2224
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: Is he listened as the fullback. I meant to check that.

2225
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 2: No, he's listened with the tight ends.

2226
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: Okay, he's a full back.

2227
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a full back.

2228
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: But he's like, I get we're talking about you want

2229
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: that kind of hybrid guy that's going to play full

2230
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: back but catch some passes and move around the formation. Yeah,

2231
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: you could take Harold fann In at thirty eight. Yeah,

2232
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: you want a lot less risk. I'm not going to

2233
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: say the same upside, but like, you know, decent upside.

2234
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 1: Go get Robbie Hoots in the six or seventeen. Yeah.

2235
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 2: He so, Bill O'Brien used him as like a base.

2236
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 2: O'Brien every as a full back. And I think I

2237
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 2: can tell this story now because he's not with the

2238
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 2: Atriots anymore. But Bill O'Brien, Alex and I were at

2239
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 2: the Shrine.

2240
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: Bowl, can I can I tell this story first real quick? Yeah,

2241
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: so I forget who you were watching. You were watching

2242
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: somebody from Alabama. This was like two drafts ago, and no,

2243
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 1: I was watching the Alabama offense because Bill O'Brien was

2244
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 1: their offense. Oh that's what it was.

2245
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2246
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you text me who's forty seven and on

2247
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: the Alabama offense? This is one of those floaded Alabama teams. Yeah,

2248
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're really texting me about like you

2249
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: of all people, really text me about the fullback, Like, yeah,

2250
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: Robbi Oats is great, but you're love you about you

2251
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: were you were all exa. It's so because he's fun.

2252
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 1: He's not your kind of player. He's fun.

2253
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 2: I love fullback. So Alex and I are at what's

2254
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 2: the name of the hotel again the the the the

2255
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 2: beam with the beam Beam were the Luxor. So we're

2256
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 2: staying at the Luxor Hotel at the Shrine Bowl and uh,

2257
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 2: we're there, you know a couple of years ago and

2258
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 2: Bill belichicking the coaching staff were at the Shrine Bowl

2259
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 2: and we're walking into the main hotel lobby to the

2260
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 2: doors and a car pulls up in front of us

2261
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: and who gets out of the car below it's.

2262
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, Like a day or two after they hired

2263
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 1: right Ray had.

2264
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 2: Just hired him as the offensive coordinator. He gets out

2265
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 2: of the car to you know, join the coaching staff

2266
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 2: in Vegas, and me, being you know, the big j

2267
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 2: that I am, I was like, I'm gonna go say hi, right,

2268
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go say hi to Bill O'Brien. So I

2269
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 2: go up to Bill O'Brien and I say, hey, hey, Bill,

2270
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 2: you know Evan Lazar Patriots dot Com. Just wanted to

2271
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 2: introduce myself. And he goes oh yeah, I I I know,

2272
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 2: I know who you are. And I was like you do,

2273
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 2: like you just got here, what do you mean and

2274
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, I read, I read what you wrote

2275
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 2: about my offense on the website. Don't do that again,

2276
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 2: and and I was like okay, and he was like yeah.

2277
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 2: He was like, you know, sequencing plays and like you

2278
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 2: gave away too much. And I was I was like,

2279
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, noted. I will never do that again,

2280
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 2: I promise. But the way that I figured out how

2281
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,719
Speaker 2: he was sequencing the plays was through robb uots because

2282
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 2: his usage of about robbi oots was he was building

2283
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 2: up to something with robb you oats and then they

2284
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 2: ran like a bluff screen or something like that and

2285
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 2: hit it for like a fifty yard touchdown later in

2286
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 2: the game. And I was like, wow, that is a

2287
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 2: tremendous sequencing of plays, Like that's awesome. So yeah, that

2288
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 2: that's a little Bill O'Brien's story. So I have the

2289
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 2: tight ends tomorrow, So oh yeah, don't do that again.

2290
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 2: Just like that, I was like like I'm white as ghost.

2291
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, Tyler Warren tomorrow, Polston Lovelan, Uh,

2292
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 2: those will be big. And then obviously at eleven am

2293
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 2: on tomorrow. On Thursday with Group four A, we got

2294
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter at the post main event, so that would

2295
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 2: be the main event. And I'm just fascinated. I'm really

2296
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 2: interested to look at you to his get his answer

2297
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:18,679
Speaker 2: on the million dollar question.

2298
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: But like he's gonna say, he's gonna say he wants

2299
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:22,560
Speaker 1: to play both ways. He's gonna say, you know, I

2300
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: feel comfortable playing both ways. Wherever the team needs me,

2301
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: I'll go.

2302
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2303
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: The real answer is gonna be what we hear out

2304
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,560
Speaker 1: of meetings. I think, yeah, it will be interesting to

2305
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 1: hear him answer the question. I just wonder, you know,

2306
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna get up there. You're probably right, he's gonna

2307
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 1: see I think he's gonna say he's not gonna close

2308
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: any doors because he doesn't help himself if he closed

2309
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 1: any doors.

2310
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 2: He's gonna say he wants to play both ways.

2311
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 1: Yep. And I think because he's but that he's but

2312
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 1: that he's up for like he's comfortable with whatever. Yeah,

2313
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: I I wherever the team needs him.

2314
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 2: I just wonder if if you know, he'll get asked, obviously,

2315
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 2: why are you with the defensive backs? And I think

2316
01:46:58,160 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: we both have kind of gone over on this show

2317
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 2: about the schedule, logistics and stuff. Maybe it's as simple

2318
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 2: as that, And yeah, I'm interested to see what he

2319
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:06,679
Speaker 2: says when he's you know, pressed on that a little

2320
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: bit about what position he's gonna play. You know, we

2321
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 2: mentioned some of the deeper tight ends today and we

2322
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 2: got asked about Fanning, but you know, there's a little

2323
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 2: his tight end class is great. You know, there's gonna

2324
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:17,599
Speaker 2: be a lot of good tight ends to talk to tomorrow.

2325
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 2: Bryson nesbit at at ten am is a good shout

2326
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 2: by you. That's a good one as well. Is there

2327
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 2: any other you know corners safeties? And then I do

2328
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 2: want to talk about the workouts tomorrow getting underway as well.

2329
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: Some of the Senior Bowl guys, just because there were

2330
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: some guys that really wasn't as familiar with that stood

2331
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 1: out at Senior Bowl. Mac McWilliams, who I know you

2332
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 1: like from UCF. He's a corner, but I think you

2333
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: think mac McWilliams could play a little free safet if

2334
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: you need him too.

2335
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 2: Definitely could play Nickel.

2336
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about free safety, but like they used

2337
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: to move John Jones back there at times. Yeah, not

2338
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: single high but like a split state. You think he'd

2339
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: be a split safety. Maybe he definitely has the ball skills.

2340
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of John Jones a

2341
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, he's a little bit longer, I feel

2342
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 1: like than John Jones, Yes, looking at his body type.

2343
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: But I hear but like Mac McWilliams, I want to

2344
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: hear from uh, the Texas kid who's not getting enough

2345
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 1: nearly enough tench for the Patriots right now, Texas long week,

2346
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: the Texas safety. Oh boy, I'll look it up for you. Uh,

2347
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Andrew mccooba. Oh yeah, And mccob I just want to

2348
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 1: kind of because he is a little bit of a

2349
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: rarity in that you don't see that many guys that

2350
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 1: were like true free safeties in college football anymore. All

2351
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: these guys are coming out as highbrids. But mccouba kind

2352
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: of was a true free safety. So how he views

2353
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: himself coming to the league. He'd be a great fit

2354
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. And it if Schevan what time Chevon

2355
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: Rebel talks, he where he's at. If he talks, he's

2356
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 1: not gonna work out right like I would, just I

2357
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 1: don't think. So he's at eleven twenty tomorrow. Okay, yep,

2358
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 1: so just kind of see where because he's an I

2359
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 1: don't know how much you studied him. I haven't done

2360
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 1: as much as i'd like to. But from what I've seen,

2361
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 1: physical guy like he well for he's my kind of

2362
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: corner like reminds me you remember how much I love

2363
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 1: TREEQ willen right six three long arms plays man plays press,

2364
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 1: a small school guy transfer it he on tape. It

2365
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 1: does not look like he should fall to thirty eight.

2366
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't look like it.

2367
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 1: If he hadn't torn his ACL he wouldn't have he'd

2368
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: be clear first round pick if he does fall to

2369
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: thirty eight. You know, I've been pretty insistent when we

2370
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: talk about Josh Simmons that the Patriots top three picks

2371
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: need to play this year. But if Shavon Revel, you know,

2372
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: if it's he'll be back in October, that's a really

2373
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 1: interesting pick. At thirty eight, he might be the best

2374
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 1: player on the board. That would be a really interesting pick,

2375
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 1: assuming he's on the right track recovery wise.

2376
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, defensive backs, I think the Senior

2377
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 2: Bowl guys too are are you know? Obviously I watched

2378
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: those guys up close, so I'm interested. I am interested

2379
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 2: in a little bit just to hear, you know, from

2380
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 2: Will Johnson, because I mean, I don't think it's right

2381
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, but I still, you know, just he's

2382
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 2: actually going at the at the same time as Travis Hunter,

2383
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,560
Speaker 2: so that's gonna be tough. But with Will Johnson, I

2384
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 2: just there's some questions there that probably wouldn't have existed

2385
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:07,600
Speaker 2: if he could have just came out after winning the

2386
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 2: National Championship Game. You know, long speed, you know, man

2387
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 2: to man ability, you know, to cover routes down the

2388
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 2: field and vertical routes and stay attached and all that

2389
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,600
Speaker 2: good stuff. But I think a lot of that and

2390
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: I you know, I mentioned I meant to say this

2391
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 2: with Luther Burdon too, those young breakout players, and this

2392
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 2: is a big feather in Luther Burden's cap, especially at

2393
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 2: the receiver position. If you're a young breakout player and

2394
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 2: you break out before your draft eligible, like the year

2395
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 2: before your draft eligible, uh tip. You know, there's a

2396
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 2: lot of examples of that junior season being kind of

2397
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 2: a letdown, Like you know you're gonna go to the NFL,

2398
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 2: you know you're probably gonna be a first round pick.

2399
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 2: You just don't have the fire, like you just don't

2400
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 2: have it. And I wonder a little bit of that

2401
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 2: with Will Johnson. He's not as fast, I don't think

2402
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 2: as he's not gonna run like Christian Gonzales did, but

2403
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 2: he kind of glides like that, you know where it

2404
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,439
Speaker 2: doesn't look like he's kind of effortless, like he's not

2405
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 2: trying sometimes, but I think he is. I'll get you

2406
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 2: this one too. This will just be interesting.

2407
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: I bet the majority of the big ten corners will

2408
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 1: get asked what it was like covering Jeremiah Smith. Yeah,

2409
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: and maybe some of the teams they play in college

2410
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 1: football playoff too. And obviously Jeremiah Smith's not in the draft,

2411
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: but I think we'll get some interesting answers from that.

2412
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So then tomorrow night or tomorrow afternoon, Yeah, starting

2413
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 2: at three o'clock is the defensive line and linebackers are

2414
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 2: gonna go through their authetic testing and on field drills.

2415
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 2: Who are you looking for in that CLA just gotta

2416
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 2: say like hunger down somewhere if you want to watch

2417
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 2: the whole thing, because that's a big group the long night. Yeah,

2418
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 2: but those guys are all really talented.

2419
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. I don't know that there's any one

2420
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 1: specific guy. I just think the group collectively has a

2421
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 1: chance to impress. I guess I don't want to see

2422
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 1: some of these linebackers and coverage Barrett Carter, Chris Paul,

2423
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 1: guys I've talked about quite a bit, uh Bo, jeff

2424
01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: You know, you watch these guys cover in and they're

2425
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: mostly covering running backs and they do a good job.

2426
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 1: But the cover responsibilities for linebacker in college are generally

2427
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 1: pretty different than they are in the NFL. And you know,

2428
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 1: running backs aren't running that many routes in college, so

2429
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:13,600
Speaker 1: you get to see him against some more routes. You

2430
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:15,720
Speaker 1: get to see HM against guys that are truly specialized

2431
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 1: in that we're not every college team has that guy.

2432
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: So that's usually pretty telling to me from the linebackers, right,

2433
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 1: is how do they look in the coverage drills.

2434
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeffrey Boss is an interesting player.

2435
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 1: But this a good lineback draft. You know, I'll give

2436
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: you another all podium guy. Actually he was awesome, Johad Campbell.

2437
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 2: From alabab Because I would have forgotten.

2438
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm also a big Jihog Tampbell fan, Like I really

2439
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 1: like that player a lot too.

2440
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 2: And I like a lot of these linebackers are just

2441
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 2: not like me.

2442
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned with and it's not but you mentioned

2443
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 1: with Campbell, Johad Campbell that or you were mentioning her

2444
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 1: like if Rabel wants the guys who are wired like him, Yeah,

2445
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 1: Jehad Campbell, I think fits that. Listen Campbell Campbell, top

2446
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 1: of the draft, sign me up.

2447
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 2: He's uh, he's one of those players that I think

2448
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,639
Speaker 2: is uh, you know, getting like knocked for certain things

2449
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 2: in his film. Consistency, things like that, you know, play

2450
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 2: in space and coverage. Like, I think he's a much

2451
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 2: better player than some of the where I see the

2452
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 2: ranges and the mock drafts and stuff going sometimes He's a.

2453
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 1: Guy that I wonder if the range is like if

2454
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,120
Speaker 1: it was ten years ago, yeah, and the nerds hadn't

2455
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: devalued linebackers.

2456
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had to get that shot in at the troupe,

2457
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 2: just had to.

2458
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 1: He's a clear first round pick. Yeah, and now he's

2459
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 1: like fringy first maybe second. To me, that's just the

2460
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: devaluing of the position and nothing more.

2461
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:31,679
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of other guys, uh, just to mention

2462
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 2: here in terms of the the drill tomorrow. Shamar Stewart

2463
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 2: from Texas A and m is in my from everything

2464
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 2: that you hear, Yeah, Shamar Stewart's about to put down

2465
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 2: an insane, like Trayvon Walker esque combine. Okay, so he

2466
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 2: is an absolute freak athlete and he's he's long, he's big,

2467
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 2: and he's super charged. Right, so he's gonna put down

2468
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 2: a great combine, and a lot of uh, you know experts,

2469
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 2: you know, are predicting that it already kind of getting

2470
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 2: ahead of it, that his combine is going to be

2471
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 2: so good that all of a sudden, he's going to

2472
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:05,679
Speaker 2: be like a top ten pick, right, Like he's gonna

2473
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 2: have that kind of freakish type of athleticism. The other

2474
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 2: guy that I'm just interested in because like, you know,

2475
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 2: big guy, move fast right, Yeah, Kenneth Grant from Michigan.

2476
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,000
Speaker 1: So he's not getting nearly enough attention because everybody wants

2477
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 1: talk about Mason Graham.

2478
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2479
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: Part of the reason Mason Graham looks so good is

2480
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant playing next to him.

2481
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant from Michigan. I believe he was on was

2482
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 2: on the freaks list, should be, Yeah, I from everything

2483
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 2: that you hear and you see some of the pursuit

2484
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 2: down the field and things like that that he has

2485
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 2: on film where he chases guys down. He is gonna

2486
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 2: have a ridiculous workout tomorrow and he's gonna be a really,

2487
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:44,839
Speaker 2: really freaky athlete.

2488
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I'll put in. I always like watching the jumbo defensive tackles, right,

2489
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 1: Dean Walker, Cam Jackson. Those have been my guys. See

2490
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: what they do.

2491
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 2: So he's not as big, and I know he got

2492
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 2: a rap, but he's not as big as Jordan Davis.

2493
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 2: So it's not gonna be like downybody's Jordan Davis. It's

2494
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 2: not gonna be that, you know, jaw dropping that that

2495
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 2: guy that side. But he's a big, big boy and

2496
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna put up a great time. He's gonna run

2497
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 2: really well shorten day of sub five, don't forget that.

2498
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 2: So Kenneth Grant is my guy to watch other than

2499
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart, But Kenneth Grant I just lasting on him.

2500
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the production that Mason Graham did, like

2501
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 2: on the Ball production, but when you watch the tape,

2502
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 2: he's he's doing a lot of dirty work, you know,

2503
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 2: a lot of dirty work. He's a tough guy. To move.

2504
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 2: He's really athletic, all right. So that does it here

2505
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 2: today for this edition in Catch twenty two. We'll be

2506
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 2: back in studio next week to recap all of this

2507
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 2: stuff at the Combine and Free here in Indianapolis. We

2508
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 2: gotta get you some shrimp cocktail.

2509
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 1: Yep, I know I've still done that.

2510
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 2: That's on the list. You can't leave India without some

2511
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 2: shrimp cocktail. And I'm sure both of us are gonna

2512
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 2: want one of these by the end of today. So

2513
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 2: easy to drink, easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official

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2515
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 2: guys next Wednesday, back to our normal time in studio

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