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Speaker 1: A warning.

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Speaker 2: This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations about suicide

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Speaker 2: that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. If

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Speaker 2: you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward to

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Speaker 2: the end of this episode to find out where help

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Speaker 2: is available. We're back for season three, and I'm back

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Speaker 2: in Missouri, not in Saint Louis. Like for Melissa and

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Speaker 2: Rodney's story in season one, this time I'm four hours

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Speaker 2: away in Kansas City. This season's story involves the gruesome

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Speaker 2: murder of a young innocent woman, a lengthy investigation that

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Speaker 2: seems to stall until an incredible break in the case,

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Speaker 2: and a deep seated division between those who believe one

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Speaker 2: person is very guilty and those who say they have

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Speaker 2: evidence which proves that person is not. This season has

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Speaker 2: me pulling my hair out A lot doesn't add up.

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Speaker 2: But what's very different from last season and Keith Lamar's

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Speaker 2: story is that this time I have hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 2: of pages of investigative documents, reports, transcripts, emails, and audio

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Speaker 2: taped police interviews which have never been heard before. You

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Speaker 2: are about to be thrust into the original investigation, almost

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Speaker 2: step by step. What people say and when they say

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Speaker 2: it is going to become very important. Why are they

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Speaker 2: talking and who is telling the truth? Listen closely. You

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Speaker 2: might even need to go back and listen again. As

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Speaker 2: they say, the devils in the details when it comes

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Speaker 2: to our investigation into the original one. I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: right now, the twists and turns are going to keep

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Speaker 2: you up at night. Just when you think you know

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Speaker 2: what happened in this case, something or someone will change

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Speaker 2: your mind. At the end of it all, will what

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Speaker 2: is uncovered point to innocence, guilt or something much much messier.

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Speaker 2: I'm Leah Rothman. This is the Real Killer. Episode one.

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Speaker 2: Murder in the Cemetery Thursday, October twenty third, nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 2: three forty four am. David Epperson, a Jackson County Sheriff's deputy,

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Speaker 2: is on a routine patrol when he turns into Lincoln Cemetery.

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Cemetery sits in a small, unincorporated pocket between Independence,

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Speaker 2: Eperson slowly drives down the narrow one lane road. His

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Speaker 2: It's a body. As Deputy Eperson gets out of his

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Speaker 2: woman is fully clothed. She has a large wound around

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Speaker 2: Eperson checks a victim for vital signs and finds no pulse.

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Speaker 2: She is bluish, gray, and cool to the touch. Deputy

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Speaker 2: Epson radios in his disturbing discovery to dispatch. Because Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Department will take the case. Multiple units respond and secure

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Speaker 2: the crime scene. By five am. Sergeant Gary Kilgore arrives.

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Speaker 2: He will be named the lead investigator on the case.

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Speaker 2: Reading from Sergeant Kilgore's report, here is some of his

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Speaker 2: initial assessment. The victim is dressed in black jeans, a

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Speaker 2: The victim is lying on her back, her arms stretched

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Speaker 2: Photographs are taken, her hands are bagged and she is

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, the back of Mount Washington Cemetery

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Speaker 2: Mister Cliver tells the deputy. Just a few hours before,

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Speaker 2: He had seen her around five pm the night before,

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Speaker 3: The call from the Sheriff's department asking it while I

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Speaker 2: And that's Robert Whipples Fuchen, father of five daughters. I

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Speaker 3: He says, we're gonna We're gonna send somebody out to

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 3: Now that's not good, you know what to think. It

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Speaker 3: Gentleman comes in and then ask in terms that he's

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Speaker 3: at the right place, and yes, can you can you

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Speaker 3: Really, are you kidding me? Did she have a scar

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Speaker 3: I don't remember how long it was, but it wasn't

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Speaker 2: That it is pretty hard, so I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's now in less than twenty four west than

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Speaker 2: The worst has been confirmed. The victim found in Lincoln

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Speaker 2: Cemetery is Bob's eldest daughter, eighteen year old Anastasia Whipples Fuchan.

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Speaker 2: A heartbreaking tragedy for all who knew and loved her.

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Speaker 3: Not knowing anything more, I didn't say anything about how

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Speaker 3: oh my god, terrible death. So yeah, it wasn't. It

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Speaker 3: He was in a higher rank. But he was just

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Speaker 2: The family is devastated, but finding out who committed this

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Speaker 2: heinous crime is critical, so Bob agrees to give a

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Speaker 2: voluntary statement. According to police reports, Bob tells Sergeant Ron

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Speaker 2: That's when Diane, Anastasia's stepmom, told him she had dropped

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Speaker 2: Bob asks Diane to go look for her. According to Bob,

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Speaker 2: Diane says after Bob called concerned, she did go back

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Speaker 2: but what she does know is that Justin was the

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Speaker 2: whole focus of Anastasia's existence. The next morning, October twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: about thirty hours after Anastasia's body is found, two people

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Speaker 2: they know what happened to her? Eighteen year old Anastasia

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Speaker 2: Whipplesfugen Is found shot in the face at Lincoln Cemetery

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Speaker 2: in the early morning hours of Thursday, October twenty third,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. The next day, eighteen year old Byron

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Speaker 2: Case and his girlfriend, fifteen year old Kelly Moffatt, are

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Speaker 2: at the Jackson County Sheriff's Department about to share what

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Speaker 2: they know. In their audio taped interviews, you'll hear Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Gary Kilgore asking most of the questions, with Sergeant Ron

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Speaker 2: Kellogg jumping in from time to time. By the way

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Speaker 2: I spoke with Sergeant Kilgore, he declined to be interviewed.

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Speaker 2: Kellogg has since passed away.

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Speaker 5: Spect you anything, Kelly Anne Wilson. The data births October eighteenth,

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Speaker 5: nineteen maybe two.

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Speaker 6: Dude, you know an individual by the name of justin Brutan?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, what is your relationship.

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Speaker 8: This I start talking one day?

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Speaker 6: Okay, do you also know an individual by the name

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Speaker 6: of did you goes by name of Stacey Anastasia?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, okay?

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Speaker 7: And what is your relationship to Anna Stasi?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 5: I met her through because I was going to jump

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Speaker 7: Aware that Anastasia with Chill Fielding?

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Speaker 6: Then you know why you're here today conkying with us

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Speaker 5: Probably just to find out what happened, because as far

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Speaker 7: When's the last time you saw Ani Stadium?

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Speaker 5: There would probably be Wednesday night at like seven thirty

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Speaker 8: And then when we picked her up at Dairy Queen, we.

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Speaker 7: Just planned to pick her up there.

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Speaker 5: Well, the plans were kind of straight up theod Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, tell me about how the arrangements were made

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Speaker 7: What were you going to do?

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Speaker 1: It was it was kind of a mess.

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Speaker 5: But as far as I understand, she had made plans

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Speaker 7: Okay, why are they not Washington Cemetery.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: This one monthly on that she liked, like going like

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Speaker 6: For that, I'm sorry, write poetry, okay, okay, And so

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Speaker 6: she and Justin had plans to get together, and were

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Speaker 5: You know, She's like, well, you've made plans with them first,

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Speaker 5: She's like, I'll be willing to talk to you with

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 7: Where was she at when she was calling?

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Speaker 1: She was a day Layne, like right across the street.

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Speaker 7: That's something, Okay. Was justin when she called?

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Speaker 8: She was at home?

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Speaker 7: Were you there also?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean with us okay, And then what happened?

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Speaker 1: Then we left to go pick up up.

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Speaker 7: It was dry Justin at was this car.

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Speaker 8: So it was me Burne and Justin.

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Speaker 1: We went to go pick her up. It took us

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: Planned for her and Justin like to go off and talk.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Barne would go like Stait elsewhere because she

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Speaker 1: So we went in there.

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Speaker 5: But then I think it was the carekeeper like brown

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Speaker 5: So we just kind of drove around, and we had

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Speaker 5: just decided to go back to Justin's place so.

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Speaker 7: That they could call, did you go back to Justin?

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Speaker 8: We didn't like make it there.

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Speaker 5: We were going I'm not sure where it is, but

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Speaker 1: We were driving past there. R and Justin who did

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Speaker 5: The car what about She was just like thanks a lot,

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Speaker 1: Just the usual stuff.

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Speaker 5: They were always just fighting and all stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: So like at the stoplight, they like continued fighting. Justin's

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Speaker 8: She's like, you don't understand this time.

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Speaker 5: I'm like really serious, She's like, and she used to

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Speaker 1: Get out of the car. So she just like got up.

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Speaker 1: She's like, just screw it, I'm gonna get out of

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Speaker 8: So she got out.

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Speaker 5: And Justin's like he's like quipping a baby, like, get

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Speaker 1: How are you gonna get home?

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Speaker 8: She's like, I'll just call my mom.

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Speaker 6: And where was this right by?

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I don't drive, so i'm streets. It

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Speaker 2: They spend some time trying to nail down where Anastasia

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Speaker 2: it was on Truman Road near the I four thirty five.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you'll hear a lot more about this

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Speaker 1: We along, because there was no way to get out by.

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Speaker 7: Would you know that location? Yeah, okay, anything else, dude,

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Speaker 7: you know the thing a school or anything over here?

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Speaker 1: No, not really. There was just a bunch of buildings.

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Speaker 7: I was more conscientous she actually got out.

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Speaker 5: Of the car, because yeah, she got out of the

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Speaker 7: Okay, about what time was it?

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Speaker 5: Let me see, I'm probably around like seven fifteen, seven

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Speaker 1: Just go back here and talk. You don't need to

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Speaker 5: Yelling like stuff back at him, and like what well,

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Speaker 5: it was basically she was just like fuck off.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're the one that made me mad all though.

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Speaker 5: She's like, don't get all you know, upset now, and

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Speaker 5: him so farinently He's like, you know, I'm not gonna put.

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Speaker 7: And so you left him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also Justin was like, you know, she's

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Speaker 7: I mean, did you look back in the city anything.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was just well when I looked back, she

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Speaker 1: To like cross over.

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Speaker 7: Did you ever see hercross the road?

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Speaker 5: Well, she was still waiting, but yeah, I saw her

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Speaker 7: Okay, did you see her get to the other side?

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Speaker 7: Okaying, after you left there, then where did you go?

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Speaker 5: We went right back to Justin and then where y'all did?

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Speaker 5: And see Byron was like playing video games and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Let me see, I think must he got paid. Byron

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Speaker 1: Lived together.

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Speaker 7: Sarah and Byron called her.

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Speaker 1: No, Abraham called him to come pick up. He goes,

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Speaker 5: That's like my school mind, that's my curfew. So we

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Speaker 1: The list Byron is address. Well, it's not where he lives,

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Speaker 5: Sitting Abraham, me and Justin and Byron. But we just

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Speaker 1: Back, and they dropped me off.

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Speaker 5: But by then and Justin were kind of worried because Anastasia,

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Speaker 8: My house, he asked if he could use.

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Speaker 5: The phone, and he called up her family and asked

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Speaker 5: He's like, I'm just gonna go home and Callina Stage's family,

441
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: yeain and.

442
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 7: Go to play. Okay, and where does Byron live?

443
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 8: Well, now he's something with his mom's house, like done.

444
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: West ward.

445
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 7: After a day lay up Byron and Justin.

446
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 6: Did you have any contact with either one of those

447
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 6: individuals that that night?

448
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me see. Oh.

449
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 5: I was still kind of like worried about like Anna

450
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 5: Stator because I had tried to call Justin and I

451
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 5: couldn't get ahold of them. So I paid Byron. It

452
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: was probably about like midnight or so, and he called

453
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 5: me back and that was just about it. I was like,

454
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 5: did you know what happened with you know, justin.

455
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: Ana station And he's like, I'll probably, you know, stayim

456
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: all with fame.

457
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: So we just talked about like other stuff, and then

458
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 5: I got I'm pretty tired because I had school the

459
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: next day.

460
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: Went to death, Kelly says. Instead of going to school

461
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: the next day, she spends the day with her mom,

462
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: visiting her grandmother. When she gets home, she speaks with Byron.

463
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 5: And I got back and Byron said to page him

464
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 5: like when I got back, so I paid him and

465
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 5: he and his friend Abraham called me on three Way,

466
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 5: which I thought was kind of strange. And I was like, well, hi,

467
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: you know, and he's like, Abraham's on three Way and

468
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: I was like why is Abraham on three Way? And

469
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 5: Byron was upset and he's like, well, Abraham is better color.

470
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: And he's like, hey, did you watch the news? And

471
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 5: I was like now, and he goes, well, I watched

472
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 5: Channel four news and he was like, based down and

473
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 5: she's a dead like in independence And as for.

474
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't like believe him. He's like no.

475
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 5: He goes just watched the news like a like.

476
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: Five or six.

477
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 5: So I watched it and I thought, and then Byron

478
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: called him back and just it was just really strange.

479
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 5: And then Abraham said that the second that he thought

480
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 5: on the news, he tried to call Justin and nobody Pickture.

481
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 7: I got a dangers you know, we're justin.

482
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: Down and has no idea. We've been like calling him.

483
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 5: We went by the house, me firing his mom and

484
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 5: his mom's boyfriend and his car wasn't.

485
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 7: Gonna Justin have any gun.

486
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Well, he bought one, like.

487
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 5: I don't know what kind of it was just like

488
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 5: a shotgun at Walmart, like about a month ago.

489
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 7: Did you ever see this gun? Yeah, once when he

490
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 7: first got it. What did it look like?

491
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 8: I don't really know anything.

492
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 5: It was just it kind of looked like just a

493
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 5: bigger BB gun, but it was.

494
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 7: Like a real gun, well, a handgun.

495
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: No, it was like long.

496
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 7: It was like a shotgun.

497
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: It had one of those like big like big wood

498
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: things that you hold.

499
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 8: Oh no, it was pretty long.

500
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 7: Done.

501
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: He goes, No, he's like, I brought it up Walmart.

502
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: He goes, but I'm thinking it was kind of like

503
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 5: a waste of money. So he goes, yeah, I'm just

504
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 5: gonna get.

505
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: Rid of it.

506
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 7: Okay. Do you know him killed Anastasia?

507
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

508
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 5: It was just like a complete shot because last time

509
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 5: I saw her, I just assumed she was watching.

510
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: How and so did you understand him actually fight?

511
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

512
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: I saw him fight, but it always kind of seemed

513
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: like one that they fight, like anasays were yelling at

514
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 5: him and he was just kind.

515
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: Of always going well.

516
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 5: I remember he told me a story how they were

517
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: engaged for a while and when she moved out of

518
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: his bad used to live together.

519
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: When she moved out, she like threw the engagement right now.

520
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: But that was all I ever heard of.

521
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: What your feeling about Justin? Tell then?

522
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: But with Justin Kilder, well, I I can't like imagine.

523
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: He just seemed like, I don't know, he was kind

524
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: of like a big kid. I mean, even though he

525
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: was twenty, Like, we.

526
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: Used to always tease him because basically what he did

527
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: was like watching.

528
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Movies and play video games and stuff.

529
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 4: I do you think he's capable of doing that?

530
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't.

531
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 8: I hope not.

532
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because every time I was around him,

533
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't even he wouldn't even like fight

534
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: bad with her or anything. I couldn't really and I

535
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: don't think.

536
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 7: So do you have anything you'd like to add?

537
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: Not really, but well, actually this whole thing with Justin

538
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: kind of ripped, and I know that that night he

539
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 5: was like really upset when he called it enough Stage's

540
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 5: house back. And also I think her sister was like

541
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 5: yelling at him. She's like, how would you let her

542
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 5: go out of the car? And he got like really

543
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: upside that's only.

544
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 6: You were a conversations can tape recorded if your mother

545
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 6: was going to stay in here during the course of

546
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 6: the interview, but just prior to at the beginning, she

547
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 6: decided not to be prett and miss Greg Yeah, okay,

548
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 6: now that was with your approval, Craig.

549
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 7: Okay.

550
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: Kelly's interview concludes her boyfriend Byron Case is up next.

551
00:29:50,880 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: How similar or different will his story be? Fifteen year

552
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: old Kelly Moffatt was just interviewed by Sergeants Kilgore and

553
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: Kellogg at the Jackson County Sheriff's Department. Her boyfriend is.

554
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 7: Up next, say John Byron Case.

555
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: Eighteen year old Byron Case will now share what he

556
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: knows about the night Anastasia Whitbulsfugen was murdered.

557
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 6: New you know an individual I knew of justin Bruton. Yes,

558
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 6: what's your relationship with Jeff? He's an old friend?

559
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 7: Well how long have you known?

560
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 8: Uh?

561
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 6: I guess it's been a little over a year. And

562
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 6: now yeah, it's been about a year. And how did

563
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 6: you do?

564
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

565
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 9: We originally we met at a coffee shop, just sure happenstance,

566
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 9: We started up the conversation.

567
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 6: Then we've truk about movies, okay, became a pretty good friend.

568
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were pretty close. You know his friend of

569
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 7: his first name of Anastasia.

570
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, her and I have actually known each other for

571
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 6: about five years.

572
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 9: We went to school together eighth grade and my freshman

573
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 9: year in high school.

574
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 6: And where was it in Lincoln College Preparatory gun So

575
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 6: you know Anastasia and her say about five hundred dollars? Yeah,

576
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: we haven't been We haven't actually we started. I mean

577
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 6: I just knew her originally friends, right you think until

578
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 6: later you are where the Anastasia has been killed?

579
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

580
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 7: And how did you find out?

581
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: That day?

582
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 9: Actually, my friend Abraham called me Abraham's last nicely. He

583
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 9: actually paged me and basically told me flat.

584
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 6: Out that Pennessation had been shot. He had seen it

585
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 6: on the news. I guess.

586
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 9: So when's the last time that you saw justin? That

587
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 9: would be the day before yesterday. We're been about ten

588
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 9: o'clock okay, waiting to day.

589
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, on St. Claudem ten o'clock in the Union, that

590
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 6: was the last time staring did you see? Were you

591
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 6: with him prior to that ten o'clock time? Yeah, we

592
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 6: pretty much spent the entire day together. Okay, when did

593
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 6: you first get with him that day? I don't really remember.

594
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 9: I think I may have spent the night there, actually

595
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 9: stayed over when it was just something that we do

596
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 9: a lot, Okay, So I was we pretty much just

597
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 9: like woke up.

598
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 6: I remember we were going to go out that afternoon

599
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 6: and take care of some things.

600
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: That that was just a.

601
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 7: Day, like okay, did you make any plans to do anything?

602
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: Uh? Not really.

603
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 9: He had just he had actually just come back from

604
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 9: Tulsa and visiting his parents. He had brought back some

605
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 9: an old Nintendo and we're going to go to fun

606
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 9: Go Land and trade for the games and okay, and

607
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 9: that was We're pretty much the only plans of the day.

608
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: Did you ever leave Byron says around three pm, he

609
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: and Justin went to Funko Land, a video game store

610
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: just over the state line in Kansas. Then around four

611
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: pm they drove to Kelly's house in nearby Lenexa, Kansas.

612
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it was how did those plans?

613
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: Theater?

614
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 6: And we were just thinking that, you know, we wanted

615
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 6: something to do that afternoon. I was like, well, you know,

616
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 6: we can't pick her up? Is ha somebody else to

617
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: hang out?

618
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, what'd you guys do?

619
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 9: We picked Kelly up and we went We went back

620
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 9: to the Justin's condo after that to play the new

621
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 9: games way on and then I don't know, it was

622
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 9: probably well, Justin and Anastasia made plans, kind of made

623
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 9: plans for that evening. At about five thirty, I gain

624
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 9: and it was five o'clock.

625
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 7: We got what kind of plans?

626
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 10: That didn't?

627
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 6: Maybe they always had weird relationship issues that.

628
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 9: They were both like Anna station was so insistent about

629
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 9: talking about.

630
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 6: So she was always wanting pretty.

631
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 9: Much to be with him and talk to him about

632
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 9: whatever the latest problem was.

633
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 7: You know what the latest problem was.

634
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 9: It was pretty much the same ongoing thing about she

635
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 9: would ask him, like, you know, well, you know, why,

636
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 9: why don't you love me? Things like that. He was

637
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 9: never and Justin Justin was really I don't know, he's

638
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 9: really apathetic. He doesn't really take a hard stance on anything.

639
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 9: So him being indecisive.

640
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 6: About how I felt about her.

641
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 9: Wasn't a real big issue. And I mean to me,

642
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 9: but to her it was a big deal. So that's

643
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 9: usually what the arguments involved. I mean, just you know,

644
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 9: them bickering back and forth about like.

645
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 6: Why he didn't care for her as much as she

646
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 6: cared for him and that sort of thing. Okay, and

647
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 6: so what were the plans for them to get together?

648
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 6: Basically they were just going to talk. Uh, I don't

649
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 6: know what they were going to talk about that they

650
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 6: couldn't talk about anywhere else.

651
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 9: But she wanted to meet him at I guess Mount

652
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 9: Washington Cemetery, and because it's like close to her house,

653
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 9: so that was gonna be at like five o'clock, she

654
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 9: couldn't get a ride out there, so we just left.

655
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 9: That's when we went and traded in the games. But

656
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 9: it was basically, you know, we didn't think.

657
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 6: Anything of it. It was just no big deal.

658
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 9: He didn't really care either way whether or not we

659
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 9: went to see her, but she, I guess, called while

660
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 9: we were gone and said that she had found right

661
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 9: after all, and she was going to be there at five.

662
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 9: She left a message on the answering machine. It was

663
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 9: by the time I got back, it was after five anyways, Like, oh, no,

664
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 9: it was actually fifteen till five.

665
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 6: I think back to Jeff. Yeah, when he got back

666
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 6: to his condo, and you den I assume many he

667
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 6: played the message, had heard it.

668
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he heard the message. There was nothing he

669
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 9: could do because she had already left. I think he

670
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 9: may have called her, but I.

671
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: Don't really remember for sure. I wasn't really paying much attention.

672
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 9: And she already called at her house, and I think

673
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 9: he did actually, and he talked to her sister. She

674
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 9: said that, you know, Anastagia already gotten right. So I

675
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 9: guess it was a little while. I don't know how long,

676
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 9: you know, how much time passed, But eventually she called

677
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 9: back to the condo from a payphone, saying, you know

678
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 9: that she was up there.

679
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 6: She wanted him to pick her up. They did. They

680
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 6: talk on the phone. Yeah, they talked on the phone

681
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 6: for for quite a while.

682
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 9: And about what time did she call him? I have

683
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 9: no idea it was. It was probably almost six or

684
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 9: a or thereabouts. I'm not really sure. I mean, I've

685
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 9: got a horrible concept of time. But uh yeah, So

686
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 9: and they were on the phone for probably.

687
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 6: A good twenty minutes half an hour. So just he's like,

688
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 6: you know, he kept it reintegrating that, you know. He uh,

689
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 6: you know, he would.

690
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 9: Come out to pick her up, but you know, me

691
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 9: and Kelly would be with him if if we went

692
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 9: out there, and so if she wanted to talk to private, well,

693
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 9: you know, she's pretty much how to walk.

694
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 6: She said, she didn't have a problem with that. So

695
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 6: we finally just packed up, you know, everything that we

696
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 6: were doing, and then left. We went to go packed up. Oh,

697
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 6: we just put away the name dead and everything. So

698
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 6: we drove out there.

699
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 9: She was she called us from like the dairy Queen

700
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 9: I guess, I don't some twenty four highways right across

701
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 9: from Mount Washington Cemetery because she had been waiting.

702
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 6: At the cemetery I guess for a while.

703
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 9: Well, so we picked her up there and she was

704
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 9: just in a really bad mood. You know, she was

705
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 9: giving me the dirty look and she was given justin

706
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 9: a dirty look.

707
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 6: They get in, we get in the car.

708
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 9: They started just bickering like they usually do, you know,

709
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 9: back and forth and back and forth.

710
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 7: And you left the dairy queen, right where did you go?

711
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 6: We?

712
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 9: Uh, we were gonna actually follow through the original plan.

713
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 9: We drove over to Mount Washington. There were I think,

714
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 9: I don't know. Justin was like there was a car

715
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 9: that had come around the corner, and I guess since

716
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 9: it was after hours, you know, he didn't want to

717
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 9: be in the cemetery after hours and get in trouble

718
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 9: for that. I mean, we stopped at one point and

719
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 9: we're about to get out of the car, but then

720
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 9: the car, the other car came.

721
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 6: Up behind us.

722
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 9: We assumed it was a groundskeeper and we were like, okay,

723
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 9: well let's just leave that.

724
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: Were they out of the car or worked there to

725
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 4: be out of the car?

726
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, or yeah, we'd all gotten out of the car

727
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 9: at least for a second. I mean it was probably

728
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 9: like for quite honestly under thirty seconds that we were

729
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 9: outside of the.

730
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 6: Car, and then we saw the car the cart with it.

731
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 7: After dark? Yeah, remember about what time it might be.

732
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: I have no idea.

733
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 6: I hadn't. I didn't have I don't have to watch

734
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 6: or anything. But so we drove.

735
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 9: We left out Washington like pretty much immediately, and then

736
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 9: we were just driving. We came to that was when

737
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 9: we came to four thirty five or what I assume

738
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 9: it is. It's about two blocks west of Yeah, two

739
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 9: blocks west of Broodic City.

740
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: That's like the only landmark that I can think of.

741
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 6: There's like a gas station up there too.

742
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 4: But I don't have the name of it.

743
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 6: So we were at the stop light.

744
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 9: We're waiting on the light and Anastasia just says, chuck it,

745
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 9: I'm getting out of the car basically, and she just

746
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 9: tried to get out of the car justin you know,

747
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 9: was saying, you know, you're being a baby. Stop it,

748
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 9: you know, get back in the car. She was like, no,

749
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 9: I'm just going to leave, and she closed the door

750
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 9: and walked up. She does that a lot though, I mean,

751
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 9: she just like leaves. I mean, I've borne witness to this, like,

752
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 9: you know, a lot before. So it wasn't a big

753
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 9: deal really. I mean we didn't think, you know, that

754
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 9: it was a bad part of town or anything. We

755
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 9: didn't think that well, you know, she could like we

756
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 9: just didn't think about it. At all and U And

757
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 9: that was pretty much it.

758
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 6: I mean, we didn't consider anything. We just said, well,

759
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 6: she does this a lot. Earlie's going to call her parents,

760
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 6: get her right home, no big deal, and we just

761
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 6: drove home or actually go back to Justin's. Yeah, we did.

762
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 9: We went back to Justin's for a little while, probably

763
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 9: about half an hour so place morningintendo I called my

764
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 9: friend Abraham of a Page met and he was just

765
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 9: you know, wanting me to stop by his ex girlfriends

766
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 9: to pick up some stuff for him. So Kelly has

767
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 9: to be home at nine o'clock. So we figured, well

768
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 9: it's eight thirty.

769
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 6: We left.

770
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 9: We took Kelly home, We drove back into town. We

771
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 9: stopped at Abraham's ex girlfriend's house. I dropped off a

772
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 9: pair of her pants and a letter from Abraham.

773
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 6: We were there for like.

774
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 9: Fifteen minutes, and then Justin took me home. That was

775
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 9: about ten o'clock when you were at Kelly's.

776
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 6: House And did you go into house?

777
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, we both, Justin and I both went in

778
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 9: and he called He called on the stage's parents from

779
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 9: there and asked, like, you know, she had called yet,

780
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 9: just you know, to be sure that she was okay.

781
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 9: And her parents.

782
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 6: We want to know, all right.

783
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 9: No, actually I think she talked to I think he

784
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 9: talked to her sister and she was like, well, no,

785
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 9: she hasn't called yet.

786
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 6: He explained what had happened, and and then you know,

787
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 6: there's no big feel I mean.

788
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 9: We still didn't think about it too much. I mean

789
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 9: I was kind of concerned. Justin was concerned as well,

790
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 9: you know, but we we still didn't really think about it.

791
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 9: We figured she'd probably gone somewhere brood or something. Okay,

792
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 9: when you when you said, Jeff, and he explained what

793
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 9: had happened? Did he explain it to Francesca and her sister?

794
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 9: Did he explain what you have explained to that?

795
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

796
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 9: Got out of the car, all yeah, And after you

797
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 9: left there, then you went to where after we left

798
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 9: telling you, then we went over to h Tara, that's

799
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 9: Abraham's girlfriend's place. We went over to her house and

800
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 9: I dropped out some stuff and picked up the key

801
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 9: Abraham's car from.

802
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 7: Her and from there you went.

803
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 6: From there, I went home. Dustin dropped me off and

804
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 6: about what time it was about ten.

805
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 9: O'clock, remember glancing at the clock on the dashboard just

806
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 9: to see what time it was going to come back.

807
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 6: Okay. Did he say anything about what he was going

808
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 6: to do. He said he was just going to go

809
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 6: home and go to sleep. He didn't say he was

810
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 6: going to try of Finanda stage.

811
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 9: No, okay, I mean that's yeah, it was. It was

812
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 9: a bit unusual. I thought for Justin to go to

813
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 9: sleep at ten. He usually goes stays up till like

814
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 9: two or so or sometimes three in the morning.

815
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 4: So okay.

816
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 9: And when the next time that you spoke with just

817
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 9: I talked to Justin the next morning at about nine,

818
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 9: and it was about nine. He woke me up, which

819
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 9: again is pretty unusual because you know, he keeps such.

820
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: He woke you up.

821
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 9: He called you on the telephone. Yeah, okay, yeah, actually,

822
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 9: or did he page me? I don't I don't really remember.

823
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 9: I think he called me that.

824
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 6: And it's just like early in the morning. I didn't

825
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 6: pick that, but and it was. It was.

826
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 9: It just kind of struck me as odd. I was like,

827
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 9: you realize what time it is. He's like, yeah, it's

828
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 9: five o'clock. It's like, well, why are you up? He's

829
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 9: a lot I had trouble sleeping last night. I don't

830
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 9: remember what the conversation was about because I was just

831
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 9: so tired. I was like, well, you know, couldn't call

832
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 9: me back later. He's cool, I'll call you back this afternoon.

833
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 9: And I tried to call him later because he didn't

834
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 9: called me at and I haven't been able to talk

835
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 9: to him since, and I've tried. I tried like eight

836
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 9: or nine times yesterday alone just to get a hold

837
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 9: of it. I think I tried to call him this

838
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 9: morning too, or no, I talked to his dad this morning.

839
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 7: Actually, okay, when did you call his dad?

840
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

841
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 9: I called his dad last night after I hear everything.

842
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 9: I got the number from Kelly, like last night when

843
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 9: Kelly and I were well, my mom dropped us, me

844
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 9: and Kelly off.

845
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 6: At her house yesterday.

846
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 9: Because I had to go in for a job interview

847
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 9: and Kelly came with me for it. So she dropped

848
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 9: us off at Kelly's house and from there I.

849
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 6: Called his because she had a number. I called his

850
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 6: dad at.

851
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 7: Also, okay, and what did you and just a bad

852
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 7: time man.

853
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 9: I basically told him about the situation. I left a

854
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 9: message saying that, you know, I was wondering if he

855
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 9: had contacted them at all. I was kind of concerned

856
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 9: because it seemed really odd that, you know, Anastasia turned

857
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 9: up dead and he was gone for like such a

858
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 9: long period of time.

859
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 6: So I just told him, you know, what had happened to,

860
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 6: you know, the story of the news that i'd seen,

861
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 6: what i'd heard from, you know, my friend Abraham, because

862
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 6: I hadn't yet seen the news. So I mean that

863
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 6: that was basically only had to go on.

864
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 4: But there have no just every any handgn not.

865
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 6: No, he never had any any handguns as far as

866
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 6: I know. I mean, he had a he bought a

867
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 6: shotgun a while back.

868
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 9: He sold that about a month ago, I guess, or

869
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 9: not a month ago, about three weeks ago, I guess,

870
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 9: which is temporal.

871
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 10: With all he's around Anathasia had arguing and everything, did

872
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 10: you ever seen him physically get involved?

873
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 9: Oh no, No, Justin's like one of the most passive

874
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 9: people that I know. I mean, he, like I said,

875
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 9: I mean, he's.

876
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 6: Just really apathetic about everything.

877
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: It seemed like he.

878
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 9: Never you know, he never hit her. She was usually

879
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 9: she was actually the violent one in the relationship. I

880
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 9: mean she you know, if she got upset with him,

881
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 9: she'd throw things at him or hit him or something

882
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 9: like that he would never do anything back. You know,

883
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 9: he would trainer sometimes to keep from keep her from

884
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 9: hitting him.

885
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 6: But that was pretty much that you saw her hifore. No,

886
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: I never have.

887
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 9: I just heard, you know, I've heard about her. Okay,

888
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 9: So the shotgun at you said you sure.

889
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 4: Was a shotgun?

890
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 9: No, yeah, yeah, it was like I don't know what

891
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 9: it was. I didn know it was like a Rennington

892
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 9: and it was black.

893
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 7: Why did he buy it?

894
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 6: He never really said, I.

895
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 9: Mean I never really asked either he was. I mean,

896
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 9: it wasn't a really big deal. I didn't think of it.

897
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 9: I guess I don't know. I would assume that it

898
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 9: was probably, you know, just for sport.

899
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 6: I have no idea that. I mean, like I said,

900
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 6: I never spoke with him of it and did say

901
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 6: why he's old. No, he's basically didn't want it anymore.

902
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 6: So I remember he's I remember he bought it for

903
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 6: three hundred dollars. It was like from Walmart.

904
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 9: He bought it for three hundred dollars and he sold

905
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 9: it for one hundred and fifty, and so he was

906
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 9: obviously I guess he didn't care because it's his parents' money.

907
00:44:53,280 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 10: Anyway, you think, judge, him big papers. Do you think

908
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 10: Judin big Caper does something.

909
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 6: I personally don't think so.

910
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 9: I mean, Justin's Justin's like he's five years old.

911
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 6: I mean he's he's just a kid at hard.

912
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 10: I mean, I never think he went at ten o'clock

913
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 10: that night after he dropped you all, well.

914
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 6: I mean I assume you went home. I mean, I

915
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 6: can't imagine what was the attraction to cemetery. I mean,

916
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 6: we've all of us kind of had it.

917
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 9: I mean Anastasia had it, you know, she just I

918
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 9: don't know, it's just quiet, you know, it's a nice

919
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 9: place to go and think.

920
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 7: Just never talking about compete s this night.

921
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 6: I never thought he would. He just seemed to.

922
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 9: I don't know, he really didn't have any convictions about anything.

923
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 9: It seemed like, I mean, he couldn't stick to one

924
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 9: thing for very long. So, I mean he would talk

925
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 9: about it occasionally. I know he had attempts in the past,

926
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 9: quite a few. You actually, and last night he did.

927
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 9: After Anasthesia got out of the car, he I don't know,

928
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 9: we were driving down Truman Road or going over I

929
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 9: guess it was like railroad tracks or something. I don't know,

930
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 9: But and he was mentioning out like gee, and I

931
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 9: don't know, you know, I'm thinking about, like, you know, tonight,

932
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 9: if I could just kill myself.

933
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 6: I just thought he.

934
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 7: Was, you know, being silly whatever you say there.

935
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 6: I don't know. I guess he was upset about what happened.

936
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 7: It was the only medication that you know, he had been.

937
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 9: He had a prescription to prozac. I don't know what

938
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 9: the dosage or anything was, but he he'd actually, I

939
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 9: think he'd stopped taking that about two months ago or

940
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 9: a month and a half ago.

941
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 6: And then he had a prescription for sleeping pills because

942
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 6: he always had trouble sleeping.

943
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 7: But that's it.

944
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kellogg wants to know more about Justin and Anastasia's relationship.

945
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: Was she more lack of pain than his dad?

946
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 6: That he's yeah, fell the better pretty much. I mean

947
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 6: he was.

948
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 9: He was always talking about, you know, how annoying she was,

949
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 9: and I mean I kind of considered her the same way.

950
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 9: I mean, because she would always call me at you know,

951
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 9: weird hours and you know, ask me about just you know,

952
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 9: stuff that basically could have waited until she knew that

953
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 9: I was going to be awake. You know, it was

954
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 9: usually about Justin when she when she called, but I mean, yeah,

955
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 9: I mean she was just everybody that talked to her

956
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 9: pretty much thought that she was kind of annoying.

957
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: I don't think Justin laugh, you know.

958
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 9: I mean I think if anything, he would have just

959
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 9: like put her on a call block or just ignored her.

960
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't. I hardly think that he would

961
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 6: do something like that.

962
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 7: You know, we're just in there right now.

963
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 6: I have no idea. I stopped by.

964
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 9: I stopped by the condo last night before going into

965
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 9: my job interview at seven, so it was probably about

966
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 9: six forty I guess.

967
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 6: When I stopped either and his car was gone as

968
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 6: they were talking about going anywhere.

969
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, he wants he just he has this basically,

970
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 9: he wants to spend the.

971
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 6: Rest of his life in in uh like Europe. He

972
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 6: wants I think he.

973
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 9: I mean, he's talked about Berlin, you talked about France,

974
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 9: and he's talked about.

975
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 6: The UK.

976
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: If you hear from him, will you you, Oh.

977
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely. I mean I under know that. I mean,

978
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 6: I'm definitely.

979
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 9: I'm pretty scared for him, actually, I mean because I

980
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 9: know that, you know, this is just so weird.

981
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 6: You're where our conversation thing kape recording? Yeah, any included

982
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 6: proct on eleven nine hours.

983
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: Kelly and Byron are free to go. They leave with

984
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Kelly's mom, Deborah, who drove them there. What strikes me

985
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: about both interviews is that neither Byron nor Kelly really

986
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: have any emotion when talking about their friend Anastasia, who

987
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: had been found murdered just thirty hours ago, or their

988
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: friend Justin, who seems to be missing. Despite that, instigators

989
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: at least now have more details about the hours leading

990
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: up to Anastasia's murder, but many questions still remain unanswered,

991
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: like what happened after Anastesia got out of Justin's car?

992
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: And where is Justin? This season on The Real Killer.

993
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 11: When they started to have problems, she wasn't willing to

994
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 11: accept that it was going to be over on his terms.

995
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 6: Have you talked to anybody that's giving you any indications

996
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 6: they were present when she was killing? Yeah? I did.

997
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 6: And this is like the day after all of the

998
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 6: activity around the crime scene.

999
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: The crime scene tape is down, but he's right there

1000
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: on the exact spot.

1001
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 6: You know, that's really suspicious.

1002
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 8: I cannot pretend to know what his motive was.

1003
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: He could be trying to attaint the investigation.

1004
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 7: He applied the ghost by gass and he musted. Come

1005
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 7: out of the cemetery scared.

1006
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 6: Why does a sheep? I can't have her any more information.

1007
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 7: You don't even know my questions?

1008
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 3: Are you afraid to attack me?

1009
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 12: Anastasia's family had said at the time that if she

1010
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 12: called for a ride, she would have called them. He

1011
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 12: changed his phone number the day after her body was found.

1012
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 5: And it makes me look horrible because everybody already knows

1013
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 5: that I'm a fucking crackhead, and I'm a coke hab

1014
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 5: and I'm an alcoholic and I don't remember it.

1015
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 7: Did you kill Anna Stasian? Did you kill Anastasian?

1016
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 11: No, she trusted these people and she shouldn't have.

1017
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, I get this call, we want to

1018
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: help you.

1019
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 12: I wasn't one hundred percent convinced that he was innocent,

1020
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 12: and as I talked with him more, I was like,

1021
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 12: I don't see how this guy could have murdered somebody.

1022
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: Issues of goth in a cemetery, drug use.

1023
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot in there, But at the

1024
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: end of the day, the evidence still holds. What do

1025
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1029
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1030
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