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Speaker 1: on Radio Row and the home of Super Bowl fifty six.

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Speaker 1: This is Move the Sticks on the Monday. Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: Great to be here with you as we get closer

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Speaker 1: to Super Bowl Sunday. Rett Lewis, our former NFL Scouts,

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Speaker 1: Jans Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks and guys. We got a sweet

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Speaker 1: and I do kind of feel like though if I

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Speaker 1: This is this is unique though, to kind of set

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Speaker 1: the world we live in, everybody has masks on, right,

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Speaker 1: so people stop and look at us, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: What is the connection here? I'm trying. I'm dying to

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Speaker 1: It should be a good deal though, Like it should

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. And we got plenty of time.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later exact week on the pot.

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Speaker 1: But now it's exciting, like this is de fall war

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Speaker 1: the end of All Star Game season. Just finished up

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl on Saturday, Um and Bucky and I

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Speaker 1: just outside the set. So I lost all. I lost

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Speaker 1: everything that you guys were saying. Yeah, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it was great. It's funny. Uh yeah. So that's un

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Speaker 1: like we had a great week at the at the

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Speaker 1: East West Game. I know you did at the Senior Bowl,

435
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Speaker 1: and so I just think that these games end up

436
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Speaker 1: being so valuable, if not for the reason like you

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Speaker 1: were mentioning, it's sitting next to me week Willis on

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Speaker 1: a plane on the ride home, you know what. I

439
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Speaker 1: was in elevator with Daniel falleles grandparents who had just

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Speaker 1: got there from Australia. Wow. So and then yeah the

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Speaker 1: Australian mobile. Yeah, and they said they've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of caffeine at the time. And by the way, I

443
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Speaker 1: always about that I love mobile, I've had so many

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Speaker 1: great experiences down there, but I just always think like

445
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Speaker 1: they probably watched movies in Hollywood and all of a

446
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Speaker 1: sudden there like America little. This is not this is

447
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Speaker 1: different than maybe yeah that I thought, I I can

448
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Speaker 1: I can get that um and and yeah, so look

449
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Speaker 1: this is this is kind of a cool time of

450
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Speaker 1: year because we can now put all this stuff into

451
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Speaker 1: our in our notebooks, right, put it all into the bank.

452
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Speaker 1: And now when we get to pro days, you know,

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Speaker 1: we start seeing some of these guys and these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in particular, when we get to the combine, we just

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Speaker 1: get a better feel for the group. Mina I believe

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Speaker 1: her name was Mina on the show. Okay, that's not her.

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Speaker 1: It's not her, all right, So there you go. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if we can find some more h g TV

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Speaker 1: celebrities for dj UM, the the who's who of that

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Speaker 1: network apparently. But like we got a lot more coming

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Speaker 1: up here for you on this episode and move the sticks.

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Speaker 1: When we come back. Bruce Feldman from the Athletic going

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Speaker 1: to join us get some talk on the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: And his thoughts on some of these quarterbacks that we

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Speaker 1: saw during All Star Game season. Right after this from

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Speaker 1: the Athletic are pal Bruce Feldman, who's here with us. Bruce,

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Speaker 1: welcome to our digs here. What do you think, man,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty nice set up. It is pretty sweet.

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Speaker 1: I am envious, though I do not have the polo.

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Speaker 1: It's still QUARTERSIP season for sure. Hey, I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: curious obviously, because like All Star Games season is now

472
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Speaker 1: kind of in the books. And you know, Bucky and

473
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Speaker 1: I did the East West DJ was on the call

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Speaker 1: for UH for a Senior Bowl, and we were out

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Speaker 1: at the nflp A game too. I mean, those rosters.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the guys got together that we're picking

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Speaker 1: the rosters and like, ay, let's look at Feldman's freaks

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Speaker 1: and just see how many of these guys we can

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Speaker 1: get on our rosters. But I'm also curious because when

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Speaker 1: I was filling out my Spotter charts, I mean it's like, um, alright,

481
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Speaker 1: started here, finished here, started here, finished here. I mean

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal. We're seeing it all over the place.

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Speaker 1: How difficult. I'm curious in your work and in your research,

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Speaker 1: is it to keep track of these guys as they

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Speaker 1: make their way through their college careers. Now it is

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Speaker 1: hard because you also here, oh, I think this guy

487
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Speaker 1: is really good. But then you know there's some kind

488
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Speaker 1: of issue as a majority issue is a real bag, right,

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Speaker 1: and um, so I think there's a juggling act there.

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Speaker 1: But I know, just before we were talking, um, there's

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Speaker 1: a guy like you guys were talking about ty Chandler

492
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Speaker 1: look well and you're looking in your bowl game and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, the Tennessee you know, like I

494
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Speaker 1: know where he was. I know, you know, like the

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Speaker 1: two running backs that left Tennessee, we're both really highly

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Speaker 1: thought of. One goes to Oklahoma, one goes to North Carolina,

497
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Speaker 1: and I kind of know what the old staffs think

498
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Speaker 1: about him. And it's just like, do they reinvent themselves?

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Speaker 1: Are they? You know? Because like I think it can

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Speaker 1: be since since you're in genuine necessarily it's not like, oh,

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Speaker 1: somebody's bad mouthing him. It's just, you know, how do

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Speaker 1: they fit in a new system, new teammates. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes they don't even have a spring football to

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Speaker 1: kind of acclimate. I'm curious if you think there's there's

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Speaker 1: benefits to that though. I think about guys that have

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Speaker 1: been in kind of one system and the familiarity there

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Speaker 1: and how great that is for their telement. But then

508
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Speaker 1: you get into the NFL and it's like bam, everything's new.

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Speaker 1: These guys have almost had some experience with that going

510
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Speaker 1: from one system to the next, from one city to

511
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Speaker 1: the next. Are there benefits for these guys you think

512
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Speaker 1: as you get to the NFL haven't gone through that.

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Speaker 1: I think there is. You can see how quickly can

514
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Speaker 1: they get up to speed on things. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: the best linebacker I think I ever saw in college

516
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Speaker 1: was Patrick Willison. Obviously he was a great NFL player,

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Speaker 1: But Patrick will has had four different position coaches at

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Speaker 1: Old Miss, and so it's not that the systems are

519
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Speaker 1: but it's like the teaching and what you're getting is

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Speaker 1: different in the room. And I'm sure like if I

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Speaker 1: coached him, he probably still would have been great, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. But I think there are those guys

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Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, you know, you get different voices

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Speaker 1: you how do you process it, how do you manage it?

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Speaker 1: How do you manage other guys in the room. Because

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Speaker 1: I feel like for a lot of these guys, you're

527
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Speaker 1: having to not reinvent yourself, but you're kind of having

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Speaker 1: to prove yourself all over again. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: probably a key thing, you know, as it relates to two.

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Speaker 1: You know they're out of their comfort zone, you know,

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Speaker 1: in in terms of being out of your comfort zone.

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Speaker 1: When you bounce around, you not only change your normal

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Speaker 1: position coaches, but your strength coach changes and the models

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Speaker 1: and so on your freaks list as you're going through it,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like that sometimes can have an impact

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Speaker 1: or how quickly can the new strength discover special talents

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Speaker 1: in the other guy? But by the way, before you answer,

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Speaker 1: did you know as scouts that we are very aware

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Speaker 1: that every new strength that comes in says the previo

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Speaker 1: his strength coach didn't know what he was doing. And

541
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Speaker 1: these guys have never really lifted. We're gonna lift now

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Speaker 1: that do you remember when like rich Rod got to

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Speaker 1: Michigan UM and the old strength coach had been there,

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Speaker 1: I think with Lloyd Carr forever and Mike Barrows came in,

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Speaker 1: and Mike Barrow was like a rock star among strength coaches.

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Speaker 1: You come from West Virginia had all these guys power

547
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Speaker 1: clean a four hundred pounds and not to say he

548
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Speaker 1: wasn't really good, but I think all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's like the old guy didn't know what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: He was like he was a caveman. And I think

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Speaker 1: that goes on. Whereas no matter who gets hired somewhere,

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Speaker 1: if you hire a new defensive coordinator, they make the

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Speaker 1: old guy. You know, the old guy could have been

554
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Speaker 1: like Jolie Dunn, but all of a sudden, he's the

555
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Speaker 1: most read and react passive guy because we're gonna be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to hear that. So that's what you're selling.

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Speaker 1: You're selling hope. And look, I think you know, as

558
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Speaker 1: we get closer and closer to the draft here, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, back in Las Vegas at the end of April,

560
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Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks are always going to be a

561
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Speaker 1: discussion point for one one one reason or another. Last

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Speaker 1: year it was you know, these guys are are elite, right,

563
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Speaker 1: We've got we've got, you know, franchise changing quarterbacks. We've

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Speaker 1: got you know, premier players that Trevor, Lawrence and Zach

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Speaker 1: and Trey and the whole thing. This year, it feels

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Speaker 1: a little different, right, The narrative is is all right,

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Speaker 1: Maybe the value of the quarterbacks isn't necessarily up at

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Speaker 1: the top, Maybe it's a little bit more to the

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Speaker 1: middle of the first round. How have you kind of

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Speaker 1: as you've been studying these guys throughout their their college careers,

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Speaker 1: how have you kind of noticed the narratives on these guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, to me, there's a couple of like headliner guys,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they're you know, if they were

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Speaker 1: in the last class, I'm not sure they would have

575
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Speaker 1: been top twenty guys, right, I mean, because you had

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, who I think I feel like he would

577
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Speaker 1: be the guy who I don't want to say he

578
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Speaker 1: doesn't have a high ceiling, but I think his floor

579
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Speaker 1: is probably higher than a lot of others. Whereas you know,

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Speaker 1: you take Malik from Liberty, I mean, he's got a

581
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Speaker 1: ridiculous arm you in your game, right, I get it

582
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Speaker 1: what's going on during the week, but in your game

583
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Speaker 1: he is a standing plays and doing stuff where you

584
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Speaker 1: talk to the guys at Liberty you talked to you know,

585
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Speaker 1: they played. He was in your at your old conference, right,

586
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Speaker 1: and there's some good players in that league, and he's

587
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: running circles around guys right, and he beat some acc

588
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Speaker 1: teams too, And I could see people looking at that, going, man,

589
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Speaker 1: you know, if we just give him more time, because

590
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Speaker 1: everything I had heard from the Liberty staff about his

591
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Speaker 1: attitude was really good. And I think you just don't

592
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Speaker 1: want him to have to in his case, I don't

593
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Speaker 1: think you want him to have to play right away,

594
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Speaker 1: you know. But then after that, I'm not sure. You know, Sam,

595
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Speaker 1: how we got a lot of buzz. I'd be careful

596
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Speaker 1: where I'm sitting on the couch here, because I know

597
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Speaker 1: where he went to school. Um, but I don't know.

598
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't feel like this is the last

599
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Speaker 1: group where you had guys are like, oh, I could

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Speaker 1: see this guy generational talents. Yeah, I don't know. I

601
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Speaker 1: mean they're going to elevate. They always do, right, Well,

602
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Speaker 1: if something you were talking about Willis. I sat next

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Speaker 1: to Willis on the flight. I love it when when

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Speaker 1: things like this happened. So we end up parking next

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Speaker 1: to each other on the flight from Mobile to Atlanta,

606
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Speaker 1: and he's very open about the fact, Hey, you know,

607
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Speaker 1: I'm not ready to start right now. I'm gonna need

608
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Speaker 1: some time. There's a lot of self awareness they're knowing

609
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Speaker 1: where he wants to go. But the kids, I think

610
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Speaker 1: he's he likes to work, He enjoys the work. The

611
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Speaker 1: tools are there. And Buck and I were talking about

612
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Speaker 1: this before we came on and you kind of look

613
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Speaker 1: at the you know, the Josh Allen's, the Mahomes, the Herberts.

614
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Speaker 1: Now those guys were further advanced than he was in college,

615
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Speaker 1: but some of the same things, and that you're buying

616
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Speaker 1: the traits and you're buying the person and knowing that

617
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Speaker 1: eventually they're going to get there. Now, Herbert got there immediately,

618
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Speaker 1: Mahomes obviously waited a year. Josh was maybe a two

619
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Speaker 1: or three year process to get where he is now.

620
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Speaker 1: But I think teams are are are are in on

621
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Speaker 1: these types of guys with those types of traits. Yeah,

622
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Speaker 1: and I think, um, it was about a year ago

623
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Speaker 1: at this time, I was talking to an NFL UH

624
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Speaker 1: coach and he was like, they looked at well, you

625
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Speaker 1: better take a quarterback. Now. I think it was when

626
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones was like, where does Mac Jones fit. It's like,

627
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Speaker 1: this is not gonna be a good quarterback draft draft

628
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: coming up. And I remembered this guy said the Liberty

629
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Speaker 1: guy is really interesting. And I was like, you know,

630
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Speaker 1: I knew about him, but I didn't know what anyone

631
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Speaker 1: thought about him. I knew he had a big arm,

632
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Speaker 1: and that was the extent of it. And then I

633
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Speaker 1: remember I talked to Quincy Quincy Avery, who had been

634
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Speaker 1: coaching him for a while, and he had, you know,

635
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Speaker 1: a kid who he trained with in the past year,

636
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Speaker 1: who was in the last draft, who had a huge arm,

637
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Speaker 1: and he was like, this kid hasn't even better arm

638
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: than Trailer or an even bigger arm than tray Lands.

639
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: I should say it that way. Um, But you start

640
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: to hear more stuff about the attitude and everything else,

641
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Speaker 1: and it's very favorable. Like he would talk about when

642
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: he was at Auburn and they didn't think he could

643
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: play quarterback. You know, he was like, I don't know

644
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: if he felt like he knew how to work the

645
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: way he needed to. And I don't think it was

646
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: an attitude like he was immature. I just think he

647
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: was like, just didn't know, you know. So the other

648
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out at me just one. So they

649
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: had the leadle even in the opening in Manhattan Beach,

650
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: and I remember coming over there and you looked and

651
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: he was one of the counselors, and I don't know

652
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: what he weighed. Then he might have been to thirty

653
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: five and it was not like a sloppy he's building

654
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: a linebacker, but he's been like he's been like a linebacker,

655
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: and the linebacker might be to chaos spikes. He is

656
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: a huge, muscled up guy, like I saw he got

657
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: down to twenty like and I'm not yeah, like I

658
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: think at one point you said in the Broadcaster or

659
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: maybe Charles did about like a little bit of the

660
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: comparison to Kyler and the speeds. Yeah, the speeds were

661
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: almost identical. But Kyler, I think has worked to get

662
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: up to what he's too twelve or whatever he is now,

663
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: Like I think he's gonna have to and I'm not

664
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna balloon up to two forty, but he

665
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: looks like he could easily be to thirty five because

666
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him in the summer and he was

667
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: jacked up to thirty five. Like he's not a small man.

668
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: You know, after watching Joe Burrow have so much success,

669
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: there are people that are looking for that Joe Burrow

670
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: like player. And the guy whose name continues to come

671
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: up is Kinney Pickett from Pittsburgh. From a temperament standpoint,

672
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: are there some similarities in terms of the way that

673
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: those guys get down. The thing I would give maybe

674
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: is I think I hate to use this term deceptively athletic,

675
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: but like Joe Burrow is a way better athlete. I

676
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: always thought that people gave him credit for it, you know,

677
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: like the you know, we could talk about if you're

678
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: a really good basketball player, I feel like, I'm not sure.

679
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm worried what you're gonna run the forty, And I

680
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: feel like you're a really good basketball player. You're a

681
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: space guy, right, Like so the game with Chris Jones

682
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: barrel down just be able to step out of that. Yeah,

683
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Like we had something on trying to remember who I

684
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: talked to. This was a coach getting ready for the

685
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: getting ready for the national title game. You're talking about

686
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: what gives Saban problems and he kind of went through

687
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Johnny Manziel did, and the handful you know,

688
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson did, and he I think this coach was like, well,

689
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is really the only one who wasn't really

690
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: athletic or whatever, and like said that Joe Burrow ran

691
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: for like seventy five yards against that he can go UM,

692
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: And so I think Kenny Pick it's you know, obviously

693
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: saw it on the fakes. You know, the fake slide.

694
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: I would like to me Joe Burrows and Tangibles are

695
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: like off the charts. And I know Nardozy really well,

696
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: and I know Jizy thinks really highly of him. I

697
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: would I would be hesitant to put him in there.

698
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that Kenny is as edgy as Joe.

699
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's edgy. That's true, that's true,

700
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: that's a great point. But I think he still brings

701
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: people together like Joe does. I think Kenny's got that

702
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: ability with him um, and I'm really excited to get

703
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: to know him a little bit more of these next

704
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: couple of months is as we get closer to the draft.

705
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: UM still got a few head coaching openings in the NFL,

706
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: but it sounds like Jim Harbaugh is not going to

707
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: get one of them here. Bruce. I know you've been

708
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: on the trail, that little cookie trail that he's been

709
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: leading the last the last few weeks to get back

710
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: trail is Uh, look are we done with this now?

711
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Is this the last time we're gonna talk about Jim

712
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Harbaugh to the NFL? The way after the way he

713
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: spoke about it this weekend, you would think it has

714
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, but you never say never with football coaches,

715
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: they can't help themselves. The part that I you know,

716
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: he's fifty eight, and I'd always heard he wants to

717
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: make one last run at a super Bowl. Now that

718
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: could be three years from now, you know. I mean,

719
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: he seems like he's a young fifty eight. But if he,

720
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: like if he couldn't get the one of these jobs now,

721
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what like Jim Harbow is gonna be

722
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: Jim Harbow's personality, which is a very acquired taste. And

723
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. You had the Raider's job with an

724
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: with the owner who knew him well at a place

725
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: he had some affinity. You had the Vikings with a

726
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: GM new GM who knew him well. I don't know

727
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Chicago where he played, Yeah, I don't. I don't know

728
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: what the dynamic is going to have to be where

729
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Dolphins owner like is a big Michigan guy.

730
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Now he said he didn't want to go that route.

731
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't know what scenario would

732
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: lure him away from it. And also, you know, he's

733
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna have to have a top ten team for him

734
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: to have like buzz around his name. You know, I

735
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: get it. Jim Harbow is a terrific NFL coach. He

736
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: is not one of these guys like Urban went in there.

737
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: It was a spectacular flame out, but Urban had never

738
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: been around the NFL. Obviously, Jim played there a long time,

739
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: he coached in his assistant, and then he had, you know,

740
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: a terrific run in four years with the Niners. I

741
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: just don't know if anyone's gonna look and say, yeah,

742
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: we want that guy to run our franchise. My takeaway

743
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: on that was, it's not that he won't go to

744
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. It said, he'll never do a public interview

745
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: or anybody will. Nobody will find if he goes to

746
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's gonna be we just went to then

747
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: the interview, like that's gonna be done with the cloak

748
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: at darkness. There's no way he can go through this

749
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: whole thing and then and put the toothpaste back in

750
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: the tube at Michigan. Can Jim harbout do anything discreetly

751
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: though up in a treehouse, maybe recruit I don't know

752
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: how that's that's a good point. Yeah, so I don't know.

753
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: I would never say never, but like also the way

754
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: he worded it, I don't I just think circumstances is

755
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna make it really hard for it to be better

756
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: than this was. So now he goes back to Michigan,

757
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have his offensive coordinator, and he doesn't

758
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: have his defense a coordinator. How can you sustain it? Um.

759
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: It's a good question because I think the toothpaste is

760
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: all over the all over the SINNC right now, and

761
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: because I think there was I don't think it was

762
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: just Josh Gaddis who was a little uh irked about

763
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: how this played out where And I don't think it

764
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: was just Jim Harball. I think it was how like

765
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh kind of put a lot of people at

766
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: Michigan kind of in limbo. You know, they're not active

767
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. You had coaches whose contracts were

768
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: just kind of like they were in limbo. Because everybody,

769
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: at least most of the people I know who I

770
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: talked to her at Michigan thought Jim was going to leave,

771
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: and if that was the case, then they were going

772
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: to probably bring in a new head coach. Now I

773
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: don't know who that would have been. Could have been

774
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, could have been Macamill, could have been whoever.

775
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: But the idea was, we're not going to sign a

776
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: bunch of guys on the staff to contracts and then

777
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, new guys gonna come in and

778
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: go like, yeah, I'm not taking that job because I

779
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: don't want to. I want my own guys in here.

780
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: And so that put a really weird situation there. Um,

781
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: we'll see who he goes and gets, Like, I think

782
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: it's more likely, you know, whoever he gets on the

783
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, maybe out of house. I

784
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: could see he has a couple of really good candidates Internally.

785
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: The old line coach Sharon Moore did a really good job.

786
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: I mean they won the Joe Moore Award. They could

787
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: promote him. Matt Weiss, who was a quarterback coach, whould

788
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: coach on both sides of the ball with the Ravens

789
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: for his brother. He was a guy who heard Jim

790
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: was going to bring with him to the NFL. So

791
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I could see that being an opportunity. I'll tell you what.

792
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: The one thing about Harbor, though he can lose coaches,

793
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: he can be at this place. The guy wins. I'm

794
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: not gonna doubt what's gonna happen. I was gonna say, like,

795
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: even though even if the coordinator stayed, it's still gonna

796
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: be tough to compete with Ryan Day in Ohio State

797
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: year in and year out. But they just need to

798
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: do it once every three or four years, once every

799
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: eight xactly, once every three year. Okay, do it once

800
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: every eight. And the last question for me, Bruce, let's

801
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: go five years from now, you had to put your

802
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: money on one player from this draft class, it will

803
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: at least be to one Pro Bowl. Who would you

804
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: pat least be the one? Um m hm. Stingley Jr.

805
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Is gonna be Like unless he has injuries, Like I

806
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: was around them when he was a true freshman, and

807
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: he he went up against Jamar Chase every day at practice.

808
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he won more than he lost,

809
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: but he won more than he lost. Yeah, Like, if

810
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: I'm not a mistaken, there's a really good cornerback from

811
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: Clemson who has done well in the NFL who could

812
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: not handle Chase his name, and he's done really well.

813
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: And I bet if you asked Jamar Chase, who's who

814
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: was the better cornerback who you went up against? I

815
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: don't even think he'd hesitated. Yeah, So how do you

816
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: explain the last two years, Bruce? I think some of

817
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: it was was health issues, Like right before the opener

818
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: in he had I don't want to say it was

819
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: a PENDI siitist, it was something that was not COVID related.

820
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: He I think he had to go to the hospital.

821
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: The more warning of the game, and I think from

822
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: everywhere it was kind of just off kilter. The system

823
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: was screwy. They were really bad in the back end

824
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: on communication. And then this past year Um, even when

825
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: he played though, it was weird because like they have,

826
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: as you know, and you guys have been around Eli

827
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: ris Um, they have. They had a couple of, you know,

828
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: NFL looking first round guys and the guy who might

829
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: have been their most productive cornerback was Dwight mcauthorn, who

830
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: ended up going I mean, he's really talented to but

831
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: end up going to Arkansas, And so I just think

832
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: it was it was a lot of stuff going on

833
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: there that made it messy, but I think there'll be

834
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: other guys who go to Pro Bowls, but I'd be

835
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: shocked if he's not going on more than one. That's why,

836
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: that's why Bruce is the best. Strong take no no question,

837
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: Bruce Felton and always one of our favorites. Here. I

838
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: moved the sticks, Bruce. Thanks for sence some time with

839
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: us here. Good seeing you guys. We'll get your pull

840
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: over quarters. Don't all right back here with you all

841
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: and move the sticks live from our heart rate your

842
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: podcast stage here on Radio Row, home of Super Bowl

843
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Speaker 1: fifty six here in Los Angeles, Red Lewis, Daniel Jeremiah,

844
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and our pleasure now and welcome in. Just

845
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: finished his rookie year from the San Francisco forty niners

846
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: out of the University of Louisiana, six round draft pick

847
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: that went for over a thousand total yards in year one.

848
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell is here with us. What's up, brother? How

849
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: are you man? I'm good man, Thank you all for

850
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: having uh DJ was just talking about it. You know,

851
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: we just wrapped up Senior Bowl has been but basically

852
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: about a year. You know, you're removed for from seeing

853
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: you now and and here you are, you know, uh

854
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl coming off your rookie year. I mean,

855
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: how do you kind of explain this this kind of

856
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: world wind that this first year has been for you. Oh? Yeah,

857
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: it's definitely been a ride. Uh, Like I say, a

858
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl was last year. Yeah, it goes by so quick,

859
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: so quick. Tell me about this run for this team

860
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: this year. I know you guys had some adversity that

861
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: you battle through and man, Dardner made your way to

862
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: this game right here. But what did you learn about

863
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: not only yourself but about your team through this year. Uh?

864
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: It's a brotherhood with our team. That's one thing I

865
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: have to say. I can say we went three and

866
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: five and then we made it to a NFC championship.

867
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: So man, that's that tells you that we have unbelievable

868
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: talent on a team and we can go far. You know.

869
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: One of the things that stands out when you watch

870
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: the Niners, particularly the offense, how physical you guys are,

871
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: is there is there a memo that is in your

872
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: locker room, in the locker room when you get in there,

873
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: that you have to play a certain way to be

874
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: a forty Niner. Uh? Not really, but when they were

875
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: when they draft you, they know what they didn't from

876
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: everybody in about it, and that's the offense that we

877
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: have just physical. So Elijah, a lot of talk when

878
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: you were taking in the sixth round about a certain

879
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: other Hall of Fame running back that was taken in

880
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: the sixth round by Kyle Shanahan's dad are our buddy

881
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: used to work with us here at NFL Media and

882
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis like, how much did you know about like

883
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: the Shanahan system, like the run Games system when they

884
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: drafted you, and like thinking like all right, like this

885
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: might be a good spot for me. He wants to

886
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: know if you have outside zone tattoo. To be honest

887
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: with you, I really didn't. I really didn't know about

888
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: their offense at first. But uh, once for me and

889
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: my agents talk to everything that man, we got the

890
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: same kind of offense that I ran with coach Billy

891
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: Napier outside on, inside on. So that was a perfect

892
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: fit for me. Now did you, like, did you think

893
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: you know once training camp started that you were going

894
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: to be in a position like this. I did not

895
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: know at all. My mom was on special teams really

896
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: because I knew we had a deep room, had Raheem

897
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: Jeff these drafted trace sermon. So, uh, special team is

898
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: my my thing. But I didn't think it happened. Now

899
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: I know that now anything, So you gotta prepare like

900
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the game exactly. I know you

901
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: can roll obviously end up running the four three, so

902
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: you can absolutely fly. But one of the things that

903
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: I loved about you as a runner just how decisive

904
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: you were, And it seems like that's long been a

905
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: characteristic of backs in this system is there's no there's

906
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: no hesitation, you see it. Get your foot in the ground,

907
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: get up field and go. How did your style you

908
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: talked about being in a similar offense, How did your

909
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: style fit in right away with what they do? It's

910
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: fitting very good. Uh, one cut guy. I'm one cut guy. Uh,

911
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: And Kyle loves it because I'm always falling forward and

912
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: really he liked that. You don't like all that dancing.

913
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: You like here getting straight up the field. So it

914
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: worked out very well. So how fun is it for

915
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: you guys when you have those installed meetings on Wednesday?

916
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: Because when on the outside we see you guys doing

917
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: all this stuff to shift the motions anybody and everybody's

918
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: in the backfield. How fun is it to open up

919
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: the playbook on Wednesday and see the new stuff that

920
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: I was putting it? Man, it's awesome. Uh. Like we

921
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: run outside zone or something, you're like, okay, yeah, that's

922
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: gonna cut back like you can see it. Like like

923
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: we talked soon as we see it me in hasty Uh,

924
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: We're like, oh yeah, that's gonna hit right there, like

925
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: watching film and stuff, so we'd be excited about it,

926
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: very excited. So I was gonna say just real quick,

927
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: like it is debo honorary running back? Or is he

928
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: a full fledged member of the running back crew? Now?

929
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: To me? Here? Full? He full? To me, he's got

930
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: full membership membership. Yeah, he's a beast. Yeah, he's a beast.

931
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: So I don't mind it at all. If let's just

932
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: say he was, you know, on another team that maybe

933
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: didn't have the established group of running backs that you

934
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: guys now have, and let's say he was the lead dog.

935
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Is he he a thousand yard rusher every year? No doubt,

936
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: No doubt, he's a thousand yards. He might be already

937
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: for another grand on top of the thousand. Yeah, no doubt.

938
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: No doubt, you know. So coming off the heels of

939
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: a strong rookie season, what would be some of the

940
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: things that you would want to improve upon going into

941
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: your second year. Uh? Definitely, Uh, making people missing open field.

942
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: I gotta do that more. And also this offseason, I'm

943
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: gonna be trained like a receiver because I know Kyle

944
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: like to throw the ball, So I want to beat

945
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: a guy that stays on the field like that, that

946
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: has a whole another dimension that offense. Once you get

947
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: to that point, I want to ask you about somebody's

948
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball for you guys,

949
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: because we're going through the draft season right now, teams

950
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: are trying to find We're trying to find rangy long,

951
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: athletic off the ball linebackers got you go get see

952
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league. And Fred Warner,

953
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: what type of a challenge is that when you have

954
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: somebody with that combination of length and speed that he

955
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: brings really uh going to gets him and makes you better?

956
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: Really because you know he's a all profred uh highest

957
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: paid linebacker, so uh going against him, it makes you

958
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: better and it makes you in your head like, man,

959
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: I could really if I could do this against Fred

960
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: I could do against in the bout him. So it

961
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: gives you a good feeling. Well, you know in those

962
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: meetings that Bucky was talking about, you know you could

963
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: see Mike McDaniel a whole bunch, right. Uh. And now

964
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: you know that the Dolphins have named him their head coach.

965
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: Talk to us about Mike and and kind of the

966
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: leadership that that he possesses to not only just command

967
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: with an offense, but how you can see him commanding

968
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: an entire team, which he's now charged with in Miami. Yeah. Man,

969
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: he's definitely capable of doing it. Uh, he's awesome. His

970
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: creativity just uh, how he's flow. He's very chill, but

971
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: he's about his business. So they're getting an unbelievable coach. Man. Man,

972
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see. Is he like that

973
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: all the time, Like when he goes out to press

974
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: coins and stuff. He's got so much life and so

975
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: much energy. He like that behind the scenes. Hees like

976
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: that behind the scenes too. But he's he's he's corny,

977
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: but it's funny. He's funny though. Man. He's a good

978
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: person to be around, definitely, just because you have so

979
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: many guys that learned so many different spots. We already

980
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: talked about Debo and George to bounce around college you check.

981
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Is it a hard offense to learn and master? Like?

982
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: How are you able to move the pieces around the

983
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: chessboard but everyone appears to be on the same page.

984
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: It's definitely difficult, but it's difficult for defenses also. But

985
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: you just have to be locked into your place. You

986
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: gotta know, because everything happens so fast. So it was

987
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: a big challenge for me at first. But I had

988
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: help with the guys in the room. We are we

989
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: all brothers in there, and there's no hate, no nothing,

990
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: so we all help each other out. I want to

991
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: I want to kind of finish my last question up

992
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: on that word hate. You just mentioned We've got the

993
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: Rams and the Super Bowl. You've only been there for

994
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: a year, right, But is there is there a hatred? Now?

995
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: Have you got the hatred for for the Rams or

996
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: anybody else in your division? I gotta say it's it's

997
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: for the round. Yeah, for the Rams man, but uh,

998
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: you know it sucks, but you know next year it's

999
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: just at most fuels to What do you guys need

1000
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: to do to get on the other side of that.

1001
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: You guys have had their number, you know before this

1002
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: last game. What needs to change for the next time

1003
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: you see them to get where you need to be.

1004
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: It's execute and really, uh, you can't say us the

1005
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: players or anything because Kyle, Kyle and Mike and Dannity

1006
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: put in a good position. It's just you gotta execute

1007
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: more So Bengals then this week or where are we

1008
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: leaning going to the Bengals? That's more of a one

1009
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: to pick, is that right? Yeah, no doubt. I want

1010
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: to I I said it was my last one. I

1011
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: lied one more um trade Lance. We didn't get a

1012
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: chance to see him on the practice field. You did,

1013
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: so I'm just curious what you saw from him at

1014
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. I know he had a

1015
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: battle of injury, but what you saw his advancement kind

1016
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 1: of outside the public eye, what you got to see

1017
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: on a on a weekly basis, where he's at from

1018
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: the beginning to rookie camp to now. He's he's grown

1019
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: as a player and like I said, his office is

1020
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: going to be great. I know he's a heart worker

1021
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be awesome for us next year. There

1022
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: he is Salijah Mitchell running back with the San Francisco

1023
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: forty Niners. I imagine we're gonna see you back here

1024
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: on this stage, but not necessarily on this one. On

1025
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: the one that the Rams and Bengals are sound. Definitely definite,

1026
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: no question, alright, Thanks for thanks for being here with us.

1027
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: I moved the second, Thanks for having thanks man, and

1028
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this episode of Move the

1029
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: Sticks here live from our I Heart Radio podcast stage

1030
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: on Radio Rowback with you later this week as we

1031
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: preview Super Bowl fifty six.