WEBVTT - Bernie Pt. 1 | Betrayal Weekly 

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<v Speaker 2>So we sat down and he was like, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>believe in NDA, so he's not going to ask for

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. And I was just like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell is going on here? Like what is happening? And

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, oh, do you know what? I think?

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<v Speaker 2>I need to tell you a little bit about my

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<v Speaker 2>family history.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. Today, I want to introduce you to Bernie Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>My entire life's being paycheck to paycheck. I'm just very

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<v Speaker 2>clever with it. I've cut my own hair for the

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<v Speaker 2>past twenty years and colored it because I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody else can do that, why can't I do that.

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<v Speaker 1>While growing up in London, Bernie experienced a difficult upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>My childhood was very rough. My mum was extremely strong,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was going through massive domestic violence with my

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<v Speaker 2>dad at one point, very very seriously, we're talking like hospitalization.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie witnessed his dad's violence at a young age.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember one time walking into the kitchen and

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<v Speaker 2>he had her up by a knife. I actually still

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<v Speaker 2>remember to this day the layout of the room. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember it very very vividly. She would be the punctioning

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<v Speaker 2>bag to make or that we were never harmed.

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<v Speaker 1>His mom was a pillar of strength.

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<v Speaker 2>My mother. Everything I do and the person that I

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<v Speaker 2>am now is because of who she was and what

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<v Speaker 2>she showed me.

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<v Speaker 1>What Bernie remembers most about his mom was how she

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<v Speaker 1>always made everyone feel at home.

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<v Speaker 2>She was always very house proud, always cleaning. When I

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<v Speaker 2>hit school, my friends would come over to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>She was very much an open door. The door was

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<v Speaker 2>never locked, which was probably unsafe, but anyone knocked on

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<v Speaker 2>the door, anyone who needed help, regardless of whether she

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<v Speaker 2>had it or not, it would always be yes. And

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<v Speaker 2>she was very very well known for that.

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<v Speaker 1>When Bernie came out as.

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<v Speaker 2>Gay, my family were lovely with I was very very

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<v Speaker 2>very lucky that enabled me to actually be proud and

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate it.

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<v Speaker 1>He began to explore the queer scene in London.

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<v Speaker 2>When you first come out as being gay, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>the big clubs, you know, the Jyre Storia, which has

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<v Speaker 2>closed down now. I spent many a happy even in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Shall we say.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie was living his best life. It was a fun

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<v Speaker 1>and exciting time, but deep down he was looking for

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<v Speaker 1>real partnership.

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<v Speaker 2>I really wanted to find somebody to settle down with.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted that one on one connection. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember actually witnessing a stable relationship, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I so desperately needed one.

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<v Speaker 1>At age eighteen, Bernie found what he was looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>I met my first real boyfriend at the time in London.

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<v Speaker 2>We moved to Newcastle, we bought a house, we had

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<v Speaker 2>two dogs and two cars, and we had that life.

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<v Speaker 2>I must have been twenty two twenty three, and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't legal in the UK to get married at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we did we for a party and we

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<v Speaker 2>legally changed our names, so we kind of had our

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<v Speaker 2>little version of a wedding and it was just going amazingly.

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<v Speaker 1>He had everything he wanted and it was great for

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<v Speaker 1>about eight years, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it just didn't work. When that failed. We were

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<v Speaker 2>actually very close friends for about ten years after. I

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<v Speaker 2>was best man at his wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>After their relationship ended, Bernie's mother's health started to decline.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of forty six, she died of heart failure.

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<v Speaker 2>We had that time to say goodbye, which rarely do

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<v Speaker 2>people get. I could actually process it there and then,

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<v Speaker 2>and we both said what we felt and you know

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<v Speaker 2>what she wanted from us in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Bernie felt truly out on his own. He was

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<v Speaker 1>newly single and starting over in this city.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in London. Of course I had flings and

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<v Speaker 2>you know all of them that come with it. But

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<v Speaker 2>every single time I would never see somebody or sleep

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<v Speaker 2>with somebody and instantly just disregard. There would always be

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<v Speaker 2>an element of could disco further.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a romantic, but Bernie knew he had to

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<v Speaker 1>prioritize himself and his career. After years of working in retail,

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie wanted to start a brand of his own, so

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<v Speaker 1>he started saving everything he could to start his own

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<v Speaker 1>clothing brand.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never never had money at all, but I've always

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<v Speaker 2>worked very, very hard for the money that I do have.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always wanted to work for myself, not answer to

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<v Speaker 2>any one. So I started a clothing T shirt business,

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<v Speaker 2>like my own prints and sell them online. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, it's my time. Let me build something that's

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<v Speaker 2>my own.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Bernie was working a lot, he still wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need the relationship at the minute, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you need the physical side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So he went on Grinder, the dating app for gay men.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was using it happily. I'd actually met some

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<v Speaker 2>quite good friends. Now. I actually do still remember the

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<v Speaker 2>message come through because I had a glass of wine

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<v Speaker 2>and I was sat with a glass of wine and

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<v Speaker 2>I got the famous I remember that there was something intriguing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very well written and not the usual first

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<v Speaker 2>opening message that you get on that kind of app

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<v Speaker 2>in a forward. Do you know it's a nice breath

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<v Speaker 2>of fresh air. There's nothing on her. I'll just entertain it.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was Leo, and Bernie had never seen him

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<v Speaker 1>on the app before.

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<v Speaker 2>I've not seen you around here before, and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I live in central London by Hyde Park, just around

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<v Speaker 2>the corner from Harrod Toe and the other. Instantly I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well hold on there, like twenty pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie didn't know anyone with a house in Hyde Park.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a completely different world.

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<v Speaker 2>Bearing in mind it's grinder. You instantly just think, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, this fictional whatever, so you entertain and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, lovely fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo was quick to ask him on a date.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, I'm not big talking on these apps.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm around the corner. Why didn't you come over? Nothing untoward.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, just you know, let me cook you

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<v Speaker 2>some dinner and we'll just have a glass off wine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I then was like, oh, this is very sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very well spoken.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to his apartment in London, Leo also had

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<v Speaker 1>a luxury trailer, an airstream that he kept at a

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<v Speaker 1>high end campground.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got their own unique garden and plots and all

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<v Speaker 2>of these. It's beautiful. So I was like, okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is nice. And there's this big, beautiful white range Rover

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<v Speaker 2>that was sat next to it. He was very articulate,

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<v Speaker 2>and he did speak Queen's English. It's very smooth, that

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<v Speaker 2>pronounces every word as intended by her Majesty the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, I need to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I need to up it a notch.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo made a delicious dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Instantly, I was taken in just his charm. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>met anybody with that smooth charm that isn't patronizing. It

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<v Speaker 2>just was focused on me and we had an amazing meal.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie was really enjoying himself. He liked talking to Leo

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<v Speaker 1>and they bonded over cars.

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<v Speaker 2>He went through his picture gallery and he had all

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<v Speaker 2>of these cars. We had the Bentley's, we had Aston Martin's,

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<v Speaker 2>we had quite a few range Rovers, some old classics,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just flicking through and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my pride and joy, I love cars and

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<v Speaker 2>this and the other.

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<v Speaker 1>The pictures also showed that Leo had serious money, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can kind of tell when somebody's got old money

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<v Speaker 2>or new money. New money is very much the designer

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<v Speaker 2>head to toe, and all of this old money is

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<v Speaker 2>you can't really tell if they've got money. They're the chinos,

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<v Speaker 2>the nice shirt, the neck tie, that kind and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how he was.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bernie didn't understand why he asked him to come

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<v Speaker 1>to his trailer instead of his London apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, he just said he was from a

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<v Speaker 2>very influential family within the UK, and because of his family,

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<v Speaker 2>he can't be out, he can't be gay, so to

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<v Speaker 2>escape all of the craziness, he needs somewhere to get away.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, nobody knows about this caravan, like his

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<v Speaker 2>family don't know, security doesn't know. So for him, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just his little getaway to just be himself. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, fine, but at that point I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know who his family was.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie ended up staying and hanging out with Leo for hours.

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<v Speaker 2>It got dark, it must have been around about eleven

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve o'clock at night. It was like, oh, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go inside, Let's go in the caravan, and we sat

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<v Speaker 2>in the sofa area and just had a conversation were

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<v Speaker 2>there's something very weird that happened. It was like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you mind if I ask you to do something? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you just undress in front of me. I won't touch,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't do anything like that buried in way. I

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<v Speaker 2>probably had a bottle of wine. So I did and

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<v Speaker 2>I got naked and he didn't and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>just turn around for me and that was it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, you can get dressed now. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like what was all that about. It was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've not been with many men, so I'm a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit nervous. Instantly, I was like, oh, that's so sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>They kissed good night, and Bernie got a taxi home.

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<v Speaker 2>Next morning, I woke up and of course there was

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<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful message that was on my phone and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, look, I really want to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get you out in my mind, this and

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<v Speaker 2>the other, and we just had normal conversation through the day.

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<v Speaker 2>I just started feeling a bit warm. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this really happening.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided on a second date.

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<v Speaker 2>So again I went over. We had something to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>The conversation was effortless, the subjects, it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was so smooth. It was as if I'd known him

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<v Speaker 2>for years. It was so easy. And then we started

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<v Speaker 2>kissing and this, that and the other. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, he started coughing, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>is everything okay? And I was like, yeah, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm very, very nervous. So I was like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just sit take it slow, and you know, see

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<v Speaker 2>where we go. Nothing has to happen. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>went back to it and with things were happening, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he kind of had a coughing fit and he

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<v Speaker 2>actually got really serious that. I was like, I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>you a glass of water. So I got in my

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<v Speaker 2>glass of water and he would not stop coughing. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm just going to step outside because

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<v Speaker 2>by this point he was bringing things up. It was

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<v Speaker 2>not romantic at all. And I was outside for about

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<v Speaker 2>about ten minutes and all you could hear was this

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<v Speaker 2>hacking up. And at that point I stood there and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what do I do? Do I go do?

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<v Speaker 2>I just like to leave, but then my car keys

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<v Speaker 2>are in there. This is really awkward. So then he

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<v Speaker 2>called me back in and we had this conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>he just apologized. And that's when he said that he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a few health issues and it's like he's getting

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<v Speaker 2>them checked up and it's nothing too serious to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about at the minute. And he was like so apologetic.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, honestly, it's fine, let's just watch something.

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<v Speaker 2>Calm down. I was like, it's generally not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>After Leo recovered from his coughing fit, Bernie stayed and

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<v Speaker 1>they ended up having a really lovely evening.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a few dates at that point. It was like,

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<v Speaker 2>can I come to yours? So I was like, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, Yes, come to mine. I will cook

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<v Speaker 2>us a nice meal. And then that's the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that he came round and he brought the Bentley. This

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<v Speaker 2>Bentley Continental white thing pulled up and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is this.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie had seen the pictures of Leo's cars, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was skeptical that Leo really owned all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>All the way up until that point, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks in. I took everything with a pinch

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<v Speaker 2>of salt. And then I think that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time when the Bentley pulled up, I'm like, but hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is true.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bentley was impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never even been close to a Bentley jorna ride,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like yes, I was like, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>So I got in and we went for a drive

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<v Speaker 2>and oh my god, it goes fast, beautiful car.

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<v Speaker 1>Later that night, when they were deep in conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>It slipped in and I was like, oh, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go down to the Castle today for whatever event

0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I have to. I'm being dragged down and I was like, Castle,

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<v Speaker 2>what's this and it was like, oh, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I think? I need to tell you a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about my family history.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie was really enjoying getting to know Leo, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>he met on Grinder. He knew Leo came from money,

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<v Speaker 1>and after a few dates, he confided in Bernie about

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<v Speaker 1>his family's backstory.

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<v Speaker 2>So he sat down and he was like, right, he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't believe in NDA, so he's not going to ask

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<v Speaker 2>for one of them. And I was just like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is happening a non disclosure agreement? Bernie wasn't following,

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<v Speaker 1>but then.

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<v Speaker 2>He opened up with do you know who the Norfolks are?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said no, I have no idea who that is.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he went through the family history. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, my dad's brother is the Duke of Norfolk.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know who that was. He was like, the

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<v Speaker 2>Duke of Norfolk is the highest peerage in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the Royal family. So it's literally the royal family,

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<v Speaker 2>then the estate of the Duke of Norfolk. They're bloodline royals,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just not direct in line to the front. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a little look on Google and you can

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<v Speaker 2>see on his profile, who the Duke of Norfolk and

0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the immense responsibility that he has within Britain. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, fine, so that's your dad's brother. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Leo's title.

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<v Speaker 2>He was Viscount Norfolk.

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<v Speaker 1>The second and the castle he'd mentioned offhand was a

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<v Speaker 1>Rundel Castle, a thousand year old architectural masterpiece in the

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<v Speaker 1>south of England.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like, let me show you something, because

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<v Speaker 2>at that point he'd brung an overyebag and he had

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<v Speaker 2>this Cartier box, quite slim and opened. It was a

0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.640
<v Speaker 2>crest with flower spikes all around it, circular shape with

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<v Speaker 2>the Saint George's cross in the middle, then had some

0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.800
<v Speaker 2>inscriptions on it and it had the House of Norfolk

0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.879
<v Speaker 2>and fitz Allen, and he said, we have to carry

0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.680
<v Speaker 2>this everywhere we go, badges and emblems and crests because

0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.080
<v Speaker 2>if somebody passes they need it instantly for a sign

0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.439
<v Speaker 2>of respect and all this. I held it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so heavy and I was just like, what is going

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<v Speaker 2>on in my life? Ride this minute in time? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got somebody here that is amazing and like so

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<v Speaker 2>into me. But at the same time, also with the

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<v Speaker 2>Bentley upfront and I'm sitting here holding this big royal crest.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie couldn't wrap his mind around it, and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't know what to say. And it was like,

0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.399
<v Speaker 2>it's fine, It's like, just ask any questions that you

0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.520
<v Speaker 2>have and I was like, I literally don't have questions,

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<v Speaker 2>Like my mind his blank.

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<v Speaker 1>This was really big. Leo came from a very important

0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and complicated world. Bernie didn't know what it would mean

0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.720
<v Speaker 1>for his relationship with Leo.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, I want to keep us separate. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that I have to do this with you. I

0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.240
<v Speaker 2>want to do and he was like, until we figure

0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.879
<v Speaker 2>out how or if we can mix this, let's just

0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.720
<v Speaker 2>try it. So I was like, look, I'm fine with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not here and I never have been impressed by money. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm impressed by the Bentley, but I'm not here for

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<v Speaker 2>anything other than you.

0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.360
<v Speaker 1>This was a pivotal moment. The conversation deepened their connection.

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<v Speaker 2>That was then the first day that he had opened

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<v Speaker 2>up and he trusted me. He trusted me with his

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<v Speaker 2>secret and his family and his line. I think that

0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.880
<v Speaker 2>was the first time that I was like, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>really likes me.

0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Leo let Bernie into his inner circle, but he made

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<v Speaker 1>it clear privacy and discretion was critical.

0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:13.000
<v Speaker 2>The first few months after that, it was amazing. He

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<v Speaker 2>really genuinely wanted to see me happy and to take

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<v Speaker 2>care of me.

0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.679
<v Speaker 1>Bernie and Leo were spending more and more time with

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<v Speaker 1>each other.

0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.200
<v Speaker 2>He pretty much moved in. I think that was about

0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 2>a month and a half in. I gave McKey and

0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I literally just said, you know, use it whenever you want.

0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Leo never missed a moment to make Bernie feel loved.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was on a late shift, I would finish

0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 2>ten eleven o'clock at night, and then he would be

0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:47.240
<v Speaker 2>there with dinner with flowers. At that minute in time,

0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:53.320
<v Speaker 2>I had felt the happiest, settled and loved. Then I

0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 2>would probably say bar my mom than I had ever

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<v Speaker 2>felt in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Leo came from a wealthy background, he worked

0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 1>hard and had a career he was passionate about.

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 2>He knew about watches, he was a horologist, he had

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:15.679
<v Speaker 2>been to Switzerland, studied at the best places. He absolutely

0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.200
<v Speaker 2>knew everything. He had space to do a little studio.

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<v Speaker 2>He was taking all of these rolexes apart and in

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<v Speaker 2>front of me, putting them back together, and then he

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm licensed by Rolex to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a very competitive certification. But luxury watches were

0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Leo's life.

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:37.600
<v Speaker 2>He always had Rolex Flip on his arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few months, they were spending almost every night together.

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<v Speaker 1>They were exclusive. Bernie was starting to think that Leo

0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 1>could be the one. There was only one big concern,

0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and that was Leo's health. It was there from the beginning,

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:59.240
<v Speaker 1>but Bernie was seeing his symptoms worsen. Leo wasn't just coughing,

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 1>he was now throwing up.

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<v Speaker 2>He went silent for I want to say two days. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>By that point, please realize that two days, when I

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<v Speaker 2>am now fully into this, fully into the emotion, is

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<v Speaker 2>like two weeks.

0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.520
<v Speaker 1>During those two days, Bernie was desperate to hear from Leo.

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.680
<v Speaker 1>While he waited, his mind began to spin.

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.200
<v Speaker 2>What have I done? Have I said something? I went

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.199
<v Speaker 2>back through WhatsApps and this is only two days of

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.919
<v Speaker 2>no conversation. I went through WhatsApps to find out what

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I've said that he could possibly take offense with anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>He eventually came back and basically apologized for not being

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<v Speaker 2>in contact with me over the two days.

0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Leo had a good reason for being out of touch.

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:51.440
<v Speaker 1>He'd been in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, I can't say anything over the phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just need to get out of London my

0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:01.480
<v Speaker 2>family going into a panic, and try to keep this maintained,

0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:03.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, make sure that it doesn't go to any press.

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 2>He was like, can I just come to yourselves? Like absolutely.

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 2>At that point, he told me that he was suffering

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:16.240
<v Speaker 2>from brain cancer and they've given him a year to live,

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and obviously he had a lot of process and that

0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he needed to do.

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Bernie was devastated. He wanted to be there for Leo

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>any way he could.

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to sit here and be quiet. You

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<v Speaker 2>talk to me, you vent me, you get your frustrations out,

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 2>anything that is in your mind. I was like, you

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 2>literally throw them at me. This is what I'm here

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 2>to do. And he did, and he got upset, he

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 2>got angry, he was crying, and then he got to

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the US conversation and he said, I can't really see

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you anymore.

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Leo didn't want to be a burden.

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 2>He was like, look, I can't promise you anything. If

0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 2>this is how my life is going to end, there's

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.080
<v Speaker 2>bits may not be pretty, and I was like, look,

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I really don't care. I was like, if I have

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 2>to be a complete secret, even if we have to

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 2>break up, just I want to be your friend. It

0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 2>wasn't about any of the sex or the relationship for me.

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>It was this person that was in front of me.

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>To Bernie's surprise, Leo even brought up as well.

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>He was like, obviously he can't change that because if

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.959
<v Speaker 2>he put my name in there, they all questions will

0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 2>come up with who. And I was like, I really

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.399
<v Speaker 2>do not care. I was like, I literally do not

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 2>care about any of that. I was like, if you

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>get to that point, I will be here as much

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:37.199
<v Speaker 2>as you need me to.

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Leo couldn't come out to his family, so in order

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.800
<v Speaker 1>for Bernie to stay in his life, he suggested Bernie

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.080
<v Speaker 1>pretend to be his assistant or driver. It was the

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.959
<v Speaker 1>kind of arrangement Bernie wouldn't have agreed to under normal circumstances,

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>but he was willing to do anything to make sure

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:56.639
<v Speaker 1>he could care for Leo.

0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:01.720
<v Speaker 2>So he agreed, and I meant it one hundred percent,

0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.440
<v Speaker 2>not a second guess in my mind.

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>So Bernie immediately focused on helping Leo make sense of

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>his diagnosis.

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I went online. I researched the hell out of it

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 2>down to all different methods, and I mean I did

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>go crazy with it, to be honest. I was there

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 2>for at least an entire twenty four hours googling research

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and what this meant experimental drugs, and like, I just

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 2>went to town with everything that I could find out.

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>But Leo had already accepted that he didn't have much

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 1>time left.

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 2>He was talking about that he might not actually go

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.919
<v Speaker 2>for chemo because he just wants to just end it

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.840
<v Speaker 2>on his terms in Switzerland. That was a conversation that

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 2>we had. And then that's when we went onto a

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 2>conversation about I think I need to start living my

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>life while I've got it, and I was like, right, okay,

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>so let's do that.

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>For Leo, living his life to the fullest meant finally

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:02.120
<v Speaker 1>launching his own watch restoration business that would be his legacy.

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>He had a collection of incredible luxury watches and he

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 1>couldn't take them with him.

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.399
<v Speaker 2>One day he said to me, I've got all of

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 2>these watches. I might just start selling them because I

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of like swap in a buying trade on this site.

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 2>And He's like, I kind of want to build something,

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 2>so instantly I kicked in. I was like, I can

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>build you a website. Let's register this company, and I did.

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 2>We had quite a few business meetings on how the

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>logo is going to look, what it's called, setting up

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>all of the social media for it, and I sat

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.199
<v Speaker 2>on my little photoshop and I'd done the logo and

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 2>the company was called The Vintage Crown.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>Leo wanted Bernie to list all of his watches and

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>post them online, so he brought his entire collection to

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Bernie's house.

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 2>We came up and he literally had about two three

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 2>trunks of watches. I mean, I've got all the pictures

0:25:56.040 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>on my phone. Still, there was countless Rolelexes. There was

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 2>the tet Feliks, there was Van Kleef and Urpools. They

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 2>were stunning. There must have been i'd say close to

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.959
<v Speaker 2>one hundred one hundred watches in my lounge on this table.

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>And there was this very very old Rolex. The gloss,

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.439
<v Speaker 2>the watch face was quite rounded.

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Bernie picked up the watch. It was heavy and ornate.

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 2>It was like, this is probably the most expensive watch

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>that I own, and I was like, well, how much

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 2>is it worth? It was like you check it out.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, go on the Rolex website, turn the

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>watch over. I typed in the cerial number and it

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 2>came in at one point two million. At that point,

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 2>I probably had aboute hundred pound in my bank account,

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 2>so I'm like one point two million. It was just

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 2>insane to think of the money that was sat right

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 2>in front of me.

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Leo had a staggering collection of luxury watches, and as

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Bernie helped Leo launch his new watch business, Bernie got

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 1>a taste of that world. Like when Bernie came with

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.360
<v Speaker 1>him to run errands at high end London department.

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Stores and whenever we walked into Harold's, they knew of him.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 2>They addressed him by his name, talking about previous purchases

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that he had made, and full conversations.

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>He even asked Bernie to go to Selfridges, another luxury

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.479
<v Speaker 1>department store in London for an exclusive event.

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>It's a private party of VIP, but it would be

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 2>quite nice if you can come with me just to

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>experience a bit of that lifestyle. And I was like, oh,

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like absolutely yeah, I'll come out. So we got dressed,

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.919
<v Speaker 2>made away into central London, walk into Selfridges and it

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 2>was red carpet, all of that.

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>This event was a big deal, and Leo was a

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>big deal. There. Everyone greeted him by name and immediately

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>people were vying for his attention.

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>So he went into this private VIP area through the door.

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Leo was there to look at a specific.

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Watch, and then he sent me a message and was like, Okay,

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>we've kind of done with the finance side, do you

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 2>want to come in? So I was absolutely so I

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>went in and it was a private room with a

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 2>head of European sales. The room was gorgeous. We had

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 2>or dirves that were laid out and the watches were

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>laid out in front of me. These ridiculous, I mean

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the price of a house, these watches in front of us,

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and it was just this woman, Leo and me.

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Leo bought two watches that day as gifts for family members.

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>With Bernie's help, Leo's watch business got off the ground,

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and as a thank you, he would let Bernie borrow

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>some of the pieces.

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>If we'd go for dinner, he'd give me a Rolex

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>or a a tech Philippin. He then called one day

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>and he said, this Rolex has come my way for

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 2>me to recondition and to sell. It's just a Sa Mariner.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I've got quite a few of them anyway. But he

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, I thought of you.

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Leo was making him an offer.

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>He was like, look, you buy it off of me

0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 2>for twenty thousand. I will recondition it, I'll make it

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>look as good as new, i will polish it, I

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>will have it back up. And it's usually worth about

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>thirty to forty thousand.

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Twenty grand up front. It would be a huge investment

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>for Bernie. And then Leo would resell it at a

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>profit of at least ten thousand pounds.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it would be amazing. That extra ten ground

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 2>for me at this minute in time would open up doors.

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I've never had just a ten thousand pounds sum in

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>my account.

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>But Bernie didn't have twenty thousand pounds just lying around.

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>And I was all right. I was like at the

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>first I just don't have anywhere near that money whatsoever. Literally,

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I think for my entire life it's been paycheck to paycheck.

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm just very clever with it. Nowhere do I have

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>that kind of money.

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Leo had an idea, what about Bernie's clothing business. It

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as successful as the watch sales.

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>So he said, well the clothes was like, you know,

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>it's taking too much of your time. Is it really

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>doing anything? And I was like, it's getting a bit tiring,

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 2>And so I said, look, why don't you just sell

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 2>sell all of the clothes just in bulk. Somebody will

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>buy it it, sell the website off, like, sell the business,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>get this watch, and then use that lump sum for

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>how whatever you want to do your next project.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Bernie had a few ideas for new businesses he wanted

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to start. The investment in the watch represented a new chapter,

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>so he started crunching the numbers.

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, look, I can take this money out

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>of all of my credit cards. But if I do

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>that with my bills, my wage in retail will it

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>won't even cover half of all them repayments in one

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 2>go by maxing out them cars. So he said, look,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>once I've got the money, it will take about a

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>week for the watch to get here. So I will

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>recondition it, I'll get it sent to you. You'll sell

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.719
<v Speaker 2>it before you next get paid if I get it.

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>But I'd never do anything to hurt you. This is

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>for your benefit. Look, if it's too much then you

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>know what, let's just not do it. Let's just just

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>forget about it completely. And by that point I was like,

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I'd already kind of imagined if I sell all of

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 2>this stuff and I take from these credit cards, by

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the end of it, I could have ten to twenty

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds, which is just mine to do with. So

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, right, okay, I trust him one hundred percent,

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>let's just do this. Bernie was in So I sold

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>the website off and then I think that only got

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>about half of it, maybe a little bit more. And

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>then I did have a few credit cards, so I

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>got rid of the final bits of the clothes, took

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>out from every credit card that I had, maxed it out,

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and gave it him.

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Bernie got fifteen thousand pounds from maxed out credit cards.

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>For the rest of the money, he took out an

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>incredibly high interest loan.

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 2>These payday loans, the interest rate is seventy nine percent

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>per month, and that's more than what you've borrowed.

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Bernie was putting everything on the line. He sent Leo

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the twenty thousand, and Leo ordered the watch.

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>It'd been delivered to his Hyde Park address.

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>But it was the week of Christmas and Leo wasn't home.

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>He was at the castle.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>He has responsibilities around the UK, so he was up

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>there doing official business and he will get.

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>To it with the holidays. It could be a week

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>before Leo got to the watch. That meant weeks before

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>they could resell it.

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>That's when I started panicking because at that point there

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely no way that I am going to be

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>able to cover that next payment. And I told him

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 2>that I am getting nervous because I know the tsunami

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 2>that's coming if this isn't paid.

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>But Leo was calm. He handled deals like this all

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>the time.

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>He just kept reassuring me, saying, look, there's a little

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>bit of a delay. I've got a buyer. I've got

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>somebody that's interested. As soon as I can get my

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>hands down to this watch. It will take me one

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>day to recondition it because it's in very good quality,

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and I will literally have a buyer for you within

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours.

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>After that, Leo seemed to change. The loving calls and

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>texts started dwindling.

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 2>The communication with me and him went very sparse. The

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>morning messages, which by this point had constantly continued If

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I had even to the point if he was staying

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 2>at mine and I woke up at four in the

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>morning to go to work, when he woke up, I

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>would still get that morning message.

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>And now those techs stopped coming. Their connection started to

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>feel less like a romantic relationship and more like a

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>business partnership.

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 2>It went from loving and just amazing conversations to all

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>about the watch.

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>For Bernie, this cold shoulder really hurt. Obviously he was

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>concerned about the watch, but that wasn't what he really

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:38.720
<v Speaker 1>cared about.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:47.439
<v Speaker 2>I am fully in depth, I am fully in love

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>with him.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>In seven months, Leo had become the center point of

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>his life.

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>He was my world at that point, and there was

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 2>nothing else that I was concentrated on. I had stopped

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>talking to my friend, even my best friend. I'd stopped

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>talking to my family, and all of a sudden, this

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>person is completely disregarding me. I was panicking then. I

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>was then going back to that state. What have I done?

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 2>What have I said? I know it's Christmas. I don't

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 2>want to contact him too much because I know that

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 2>he's working and he's probably with people with his family.

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I'm panicking because I'm not

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>getting that response. Then comes Christmas Eve and he kind

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 2>of goes silent a little bit, and then I get

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Christmas Eve. I get a few messages, very cold, and

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.440
<v Speaker 2>it was like I'm with people, I can't talk. I

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, I just wanted to wish you a

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 2>merry Christmas.

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 1>It was important for Leo to spend time with his

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>family because he had so little time left. Maybe the

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 1>reality of his diagnosis was finally hitting him. Bernie understood

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>why Leo might be pulling away, but it still starts.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Next morning, I did actually get quite a nice message.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 2>It's just like Merry Christmas, handsome and blah blah blah

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. I instantly my mood I was uplifted. I

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, it's okay. What's your plans for today?

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>It was I went straight into that puppy mode like

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 2>he could do no wrong. And he said, I'm with

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>my family all day. I won't be able to contact

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you for the next two days. I was like, Okay,

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>that's absolutely fine. I get it. It's Christmas, you are

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>supposed to spend that with your family.

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Bernie spent that Christmas alone waiting for a message from Leo.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.800
<v Speaker 1>But that day Bernie noticed something strange.

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 2>It seemed like.

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Leo was actually spending Christmas Day with another man, someone

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Bernie had never seen before.

0:36:54.000 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>There was a picture on his WhatsApp update. It was him,

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but there was somebody else in the background. There was

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 2>this guy just walking towards the camera, looking directly in

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the camera as if he was going to say something,

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was the inside of a church, and it

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>just bugged me.

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>For a few days, Bernie stared at the photo, practically

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>memorizing every detail.

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So on the twenty seventh, heet messaged. I was like, sorry,

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I've not been I've been with family, this and the other.

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, how was your Christmas to check

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 2>up to so much? And he was like, no, we

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 2>just really stayed around the castle and then we didn't

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 2>really do anything. I was like, oh, what about the church?

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what church? And then it was just

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 2>like I was like, oh, I just saw your update

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 2>on your WhatsApp and it was a picture of a church.

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 2>You didn't see anything.

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>But Bernie had looked at the photo over and over

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>he knew what he saw and I.

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Was like, no, it was I didn't do an update.

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 2>That was no update. And then he got into such

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>denial he was adamant and quite nasty with it that

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I completely made it up. I did not see it.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing on his profile.

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>It was the first time Leo had acted like this.

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 1>He was defensive and angry over something so small. He

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.240
<v Speaker 1>knew it meant Leo might be hiding something. So Bernie

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 1>pulled back a bit.

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I kind of slowed down message in him. I don't

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 2>get a call again quite late at night, and it's

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 2>like I've just had a massive argument with my family.

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>On the other end of the phone, Leo was hysterical.

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, Bernie, I can't take this. I can't

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>take this life anymore, the stress that I've been under.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I just don't like my family. I don't want to

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 2>do this anymore. Can you come and get me? So

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 2>of course I've then said yes instantly. Where are you?

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Calm down, stay on the phone with me.

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Leo sent an address. It was a five hour drive

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>from London, so Bernie got in the car and stayed

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>on the phone with Leo while he drove through the

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>night to meet him. At two am, he picked up

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Leo and brought them to a hotel.

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 2>We stayed the night. We had a long conversation about

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>his stress levels and he's sorry that he's been distant

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't how to cope with this as well

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<v Speaker 2>as his diagnosis. And at the end of this he'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the watch. He's going to go down, he'll get it,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he hasn't got it by this point, he

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<v Speaker 2>will give me the money and then sell it on himself.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just felt seeing and he was in tears.

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<v Speaker 2>He went asleep and I was stroking his hair. It

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<v Speaker 2>was as if this guy was broken, broken with life.

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<v Speaker 1>There in the hotel room, Bernie finally fell close to

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Leo again. Leo needed him, and Bernie would do anything

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<v Speaker 1>to make him happy. The next morning, Leo seemed renewed,

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<v Speaker 1>back to his old self. He confessed to Bernie that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been hiding something. Now he was finally ready

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, so, I've got a serious question that I

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<v Speaker 2>need to ask you, and I've been thinking about this

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<v Speaker 2>with everything that's been going on, and I was like, okay,

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and it was like I've had enough of this entire

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<v Speaker 2>life that I have to do and I'm done with it.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to move away. And he was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to move somewhere in Scotland. Would you come with me?

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.359
<v Speaker 2>And I was like sorry, I was like what. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I've seen this house. I've been thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>this for a long time and I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>go on my own. And that's why I've been distant

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>because I didn't know what I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want you to come with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Leo was dead serious. He was ready to put in

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<v Speaker 1>an offer on a house.

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I've already contacted the estate agent. This

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<v Speaker 2>house was a full on castle in the Scottish Islands.

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>When you think the quintessence English castle. It was exactly that.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked at the listening together and started imagining a

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>new life there. They wouldn't have to hide from Leo's

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.439
<v Speaker 1>family or the press. Bernie could take care of Leo

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>as his cancer progressed, and whatever came next, they could

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<v Speaker 1>face it together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I just wanted to be me and you

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like yes. And it's difficult now to

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of explain exactly how it felt, because his

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<v Speaker 2>world at certain points starts to crumble and he has

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<v Speaker 2>to get what he can do and run to create

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 2>another life for himself. But in the end it was

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<v Speaker 2>all a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly, I emailed Arundel Cars,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the official residence of the Duke of Norfolk.

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<v Speaker 2>There was absolutely no record of Leo Howard, Leo Bosehoward

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<v Speaker 2>or absolutely anything. So then I started doing my own research.

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<v Speaker 2>This person, this Leo Howard, there was absolutely no trace.

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