1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hey, Betrayal fans, I have exciting news to share. Season 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: three of Betrayal is now a docuseries on Hulu. It's 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: the gripping story of Stacy Tyler and the doctor who 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: betrayed them. See the voices you've come to know in 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Betrayal Under his Eye, streaming now on Hulu. 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: So we sat down and he was like, he doesn't 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: believe in NDA, so he's not going to ask for 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: one of them. And I was just like, what the 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: hell is going on here? Like what is happening? And 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: he was like, oh, do you know what? I think? 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: I need to tell you a little bit about my 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: family history. 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: change everything. Today, I want to introduce you to Bernie Brown. 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: My entire life's being paycheck to paycheck. I'm just very 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: clever with it. I've cut my own hair for the 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: past twenty years and colored it because I'm like, well, 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: if somebody else can do that, why can't I do that. 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: While growing up in London, Bernie experienced a difficult upbringing. 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: My childhood was very rough. My mum was extremely strong, 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: but she was going through massive domestic violence with my 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: dad at one point, very very seriously, we're talking like hospitalization. 24 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: Bernie witnessed his dad's violence at a young age. 25 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: I do remember one time walking into the kitchen and 26 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: he had her up by a knife. I actually still 27 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: remember to this day the layout of the room. I 28 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: remember it very very vividly. She would be the punctioning 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: bag to make or that we were never harmed. 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: His mom was a pillar of strength. 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: My mother. Everything I do and the person that I 32 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: am now is because of who she was and what 33 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: she showed me. 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: What Bernie remembers most about his mom was how she 35 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: always made everyone feel at home. 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: She was always very house proud, always cleaning. When I 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: hit school, my friends would come over to see her. 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: She was very much an open door. The door was 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: never locked, which was probably unsafe, but anyone knocked on 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: the door, anyone who needed help, regardless of whether she 41 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: had it or not, it would always be yes. And 42 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: she was very very well known for that. 43 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: When Bernie came out as. 44 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: Gay, my family were lovely with I was very very 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: very lucky that enabled me to actually be proud and 46 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: celebrate it. 47 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: He began to explore the queer scene in London. 48 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: When you first come out as being gay, you've got 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: the big clubs, you know, the Jyre Storia, which has 50 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: closed down now. I spent many a happy even in there. 51 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: Shall we say. 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Bernie was living his best life. It was a fun 53 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: and exciting time, but deep down he was looking for 54 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: real partnership. 55 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: I really wanted to find somebody to settle down with. 56 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: I just wanted that one on one connection. I don't 57 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: remember actually witnessing a stable relationship, and I think that's 58 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: why I so desperately needed one. 59 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: At age eighteen, Bernie found what he was looking for. 60 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: I met my first real boyfriend at the time in London. 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: We moved to Newcastle, we bought a house, we had 62 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: two dogs and two cars, and we had that life. 63 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: I must have been twenty two twenty three, and it 64 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: wasn't legal in the UK to get married at that point. 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: So what we did we for a party and we 66 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: legally changed our names, so we kind of had our 67 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: little version of a wedding and it was just going amazingly. 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: He had everything he wanted and it was great for 69 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: about eight years, but. 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: Then it just didn't work. When that failed. We were 71 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: actually very close friends for about ten years after. I 72 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: was best man at his wedding. 73 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: After their relationship ended, Bernie's mother's health started to decline. 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: At the age of forty six, she died of heart failure. 75 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: We had that time to say goodbye, which rarely do 76 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: people get. I could actually process it there and then, 77 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: and we both said what we felt and you know 78 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: what she wanted from us in life. 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Now, Bernie felt truly out on his own. He was 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: newly single and starting over in this city. 81 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: I was in London. Of course I had flings and 82 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: you know all of them that come with it. But 83 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: every single time I would never see somebody or sleep 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: with somebody and instantly just disregard. There would always be 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: an element of could disco further. 86 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: He was a romantic, but Bernie knew he had to 87 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: prioritize himself and his career. After years of working in retail, 88 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: Bernie wanted to start a brand of his own, so 89 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: he started saving everything he could to start his own 90 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: clothing brand. 91 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: I've never never had money at all, but I've always 92 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: worked very, very hard for the money that I do have. 93 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: I've always wanted to work for myself, not answer to 94 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: any one. So I started a clothing T shirt business, 95 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: like my own prints and sell them online. And I 96 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: was like, it's my time. Let me build something that's 97 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: my own. 98 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: Even though Bernie was working a lot, he still wanted 99 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: to have a good time. 100 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: I don't need the relationship at the minute, but you know, 101 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: you need the physical side of it. 102 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: So he went on Grinder, the dating app for gay men. 103 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: So I was using it happily. I'd actually met some 104 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: quite good friends. Now. I actually do still remember the 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: message come through because I had a glass of wine 106 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: and I was sat with a glass of wine and 107 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: I got the famous I remember that there was something intriguing. 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: It was very well written and not the usual first 109 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: opening message that you get on that kind of app 110 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: in a forward. Do you know it's a nice breath 111 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: of fresh air. There's nothing on her. I'll just entertain it. 112 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: His name was Leo, and Bernie had never seen him 113 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: on the app before. 114 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: I've not seen you around here before, and it's like, no, 115 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: I live in central London by Hyde Park, just around 116 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: the corner from Harrod Toe and the other. Instantly I 117 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: was like, well hold on there, like twenty pounds. 118 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Bernie didn't know anyone with a house in Hyde Park. 119 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: That was a completely different world. 120 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: Bearing in mind it's grinder. You instantly just think, okay, 121 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: all right, this fictional whatever, so you entertain and I 122 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: was like, oh, lovely fine. 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Leo was quick to ask him on a date. 124 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: He was like, I'm not big talking on these apps. 125 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: I'm around the corner. Why didn't you come over? Nothing untoward. 126 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: It was like, just you know, let me cook you 127 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: some dinner and we'll just have a glass off wine. 128 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: And I then was like, oh, this is very sweet. 129 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: He's very well spoken. 130 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: In addition to his apartment in London, Leo also had 131 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: a luxury trailer, an airstream that he kept at a 132 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: high end campground. 133 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: They've got their own unique garden and plots and all 134 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: of these. It's beautiful. So I was like, okay, this 135 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: is nice. And there's this big, beautiful white range Rover 136 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: that was sat next to it. He was very articulate, 137 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: and he did speak Queen's English. It's very smooth, that 138 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: pronounces every word as intended by her Majesty the Queen. 139 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I need to, like, 140 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: you know, I need to up it a notch. 141 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: Leo made a delicious dinner. 142 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: Instantly, I was taken in just his charm. I've never 143 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: met anybody with that smooth charm that isn't patronizing. It 144 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: just was focused on me and we had an amazing meal. 145 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: Bernie was really enjoying himself. He liked talking to Leo 146 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: and they bonded over cars. 147 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: He went through his picture gallery and he had all 148 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: of these cars. We had the Bentley's, we had Aston Martin's, 149 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: we had quite a few range Rovers, some old classics, 150 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: and he was just flicking through and he was like, 151 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: this is my pride and joy, I love cars and 152 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: this and the other. 153 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: The pictures also showed that Leo had serious money, a 154 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: lot of it. 155 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: You can kind of tell when somebody's got old money 156 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: or new money. New money is very much the designer 157 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: head to toe, and all of this old money is 158 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: you can't really tell if they've got money. They're the chinos, 159 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: the nice shirt, the neck tie, that kind and that's 160 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: how he was. 161 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: But Bernie didn't understand why he asked him to come 162 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: to his trailer instead of his London apartment. 163 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: At that point, he just said he was from a 164 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: very influential family within the UK, and because of his family, 165 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: he can't be out, he can't be gay, so to 166 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: escape all of the craziness, he needs somewhere to get away. 167 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: And he said, nobody knows about this caravan, like his 168 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: family don't know, security doesn't know. So for him, it's 169 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: just his little getaway to just be himself. So I 170 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: was like, okay, fine, but at that point I didn't 171 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: know who his family was. 172 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: Bernie ended up staying and hanging out with Leo for hours. 173 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: It got dark, it must have been around about eleven 174 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: to twelve o'clock at night. It was like, oh, let's 175 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: go inside, Let's go in the caravan, and we sat 176 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: in the sofa area and just had a conversation were 177 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: there's something very weird that happened. It was like, do 178 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: you mind if I ask you to do something? Can 179 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: you just undress in front of me. I won't touch, 180 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: I won't do anything like that buried in way. I 181 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: probably had a bottle of wine. So I did and 182 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: I got naked and he didn't and it was like 183 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: just turn around for me and that was it, and 184 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, you can get dressed now. I 185 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: was like what was all that about. It was just like, 186 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: I've not been with many men, so I'm a little 187 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: bit nervous. Instantly, I was like, oh, that's so sweet. 188 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: They kissed good night, and Bernie got a taxi home. 189 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: Next morning, I woke up and of course there was 190 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: the most beautiful message that was on my phone and 191 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: he was like, look, I really want to see you again. 192 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: I can't get you out in my mind, this and 193 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: the other, and we just had normal conversation through the day. 194 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: I just started feeling a bit warm. I was just like, 195 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: is this really happening. 196 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: They decided on a second date. 197 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: So again I went over. We had something to eat. 198 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: The conversation was effortless, the subjects, it was just it 199 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 2: was so smooth. It was as if I'd known him 200 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: for years. It was so easy. And then we started 201 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: kissing and this, that and the other. And then he 202 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: I remember, he started coughing, and I was like, oh, 203 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: is everything okay? And I was like, yeah, it's fine. 204 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm very, very nervous. So I was like, listen, 205 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: let's just sit take it slow, and you know, see 206 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: where we go. Nothing has to happen. And then we 207 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: went back to it and with things were happening, and 208 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: then he kind of had a coughing fit and he 209 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: actually got really serious that. I was like, I'll get 210 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: you a glass of water. So I got in my 211 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: glass of water and he would not stop coughing. So 212 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just going to step outside because 213 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: by this point he was bringing things up. It was 214 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: not romantic at all. And I was outside for about 215 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: about ten minutes and all you could hear was this 216 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: hacking up. And at that point I stood there and 217 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: I was like, what do I do? Do I go do? 218 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: I just like to leave, but then my car keys 219 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: are in there. This is really awkward. So then he 220 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: called me back in and we had this conversation and 221 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: he just apologized. And that's when he said that he's 222 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: got a few health issues and it's like he's getting 223 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: them checked up and it's nothing too serious to worry 224 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: about at the minute. And he was like so apologetic. 225 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: I was like, honestly, it's fine, let's just watch something. 226 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: Calm down. I was like, it's generally not a big deal. 227 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: After Leo recovered from his coughing fit, Bernie stayed and 228 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: they ended up having a really lovely evening. 229 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: We had a few dates at that point. It was like, 230 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: can I come to yours? So I was like, do 231 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: you know what, Yes, come to mine. I will cook 232 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: us a nice meal. And then that's the first time 233 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: that he came round and he brought the Bentley. This 234 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: Bentley Continental white thing pulled up and I was like, 235 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: what the hell is this. 236 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: Bernie had seen the pictures of Leo's cars, but he 237 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: was skeptical that Leo really owned all of them. 238 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: All the way up until that point, and that was 239 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: a few weeks in. I took everything with a pinch 240 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: of salt. And then I think that was the first 241 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: time when the Bentley pulled up, I'm like, but hold on, 242 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: if this is true. 243 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: The Bentley was impressive. 244 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: I'd never even been close to a Bentley jorna ride, 245 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: so I was like yes, I was like, come on, 246 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: So I got in and we went for a drive 247 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: and oh my god, it goes fast, beautiful car. 248 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: Later that night, when they were deep in conversation. 249 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: It slipped in and I was like, oh, I've got 250 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: to go down to the Castle today for whatever event 251 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: I have to. I'm being dragged down and I was like, Castle, 252 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: what's this and it was like, oh, do you know 253 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: what I think? I need to tell you a little 254 00:14:52,960 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: bit about my family history. 255 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Bernie was really enjoying getting to know Leo, a guy 256 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: he met on Grinder. He knew Leo came from money, 257 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: and after a few dates, he confided in Bernie about 258 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: his family's backstory. 259 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: So he sat down and he was like, right, he 260 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: doesn't believe in NDA, so he's not going to ask 261 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: for one of them. And I was just like, what 262 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: the hell is going on here? 263 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Like what is happening a non disclosure agreement? Bernie wasn't following, 264 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: but then. 265 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: He opened up with do you know who the Norfolks are? 266 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: And I said no, I have no idea who that is. 267 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: So then he went through the family history. So it 268 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: was like, my dad's brother is the Duke of Norfolk. 269 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: I didn't know who that was. He was like, the 270 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: Duke of Norfolk is the highest peerage in the UK 271 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: outside of the Royal family. So it's literally the royal family, 272 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: then the estate of the Duke of Norfolk. They're bloodline royals, 273 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: they're just not direct in line to the front. Obviously. 274 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: I had a little look on Google and you can 275 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: see on his profile, who the Duke of Norfolk and 276 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: the immense responsibility that he has within Britain. So I 277 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: was like, okay, fine, so that's your dad's brother. He 278 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: was like yeah. 279 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: And Leo's title. 280 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: He was Viscount Norfolk. 281 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: The second and the castle he'd mentioned offhand was a 282 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: Rundel Castle, a thousand year old architectural masterpiece in the 283 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: south of England. 284 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: And it was like, let me show you something, because 285 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: at that point he'd brung an overyebag and he had 286 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: this Cartier box, quite slim and opened. It was a 287 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: crest with flower spikes all around it, circular shape with 288 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: the Saint George's cross in the middle, then had some 289 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: inscriptions on it and it had the House of Norfolk 290 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: and fitz Allen, and he said, we have to carry 291 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: this everywhere we go, badges and emblems and crests because 292 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: if somebody passes they need it instantly for a sign 293 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: of respect and all this. I held it. It was 294 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: so heavy and I was just like, what is going 295 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: on in my life? Ride this minute in time? You know, 296 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: I've got somebody here that is amazing and like so 297 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: into me. But at the same time, also with the 298 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: Bentley upfront and I'm sitting here holding this big royal crest. 299 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: Bernie couldn't wrap his mind around it, and I was. 300 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: Like, I don't know what to say. And it was like, 301 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: it's fine, It's like, just ask any questions that you 302 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: have and I was like, I literally don't have questions, 303 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Like my mind his blank. 304 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: This was really big. Leo came from a very important 305 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: and complicated world. Bernie didn't know what it would mean 306 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: for his relationship with Leo. 307 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: He was like, I want to keep us separate. You 308 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: know that I have to do this with you. I 309 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: want to do and he was like, until we figure 310 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: out how or if we can mix this, let's just 311 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: try it. So I was like, look, I'm fine with that. 312 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: I'm not here and I never have been impressed by money. Obviously, 313 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: I'm impressed by the Bentley, but I'm not here for 314 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: anything other than you. 315 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: This was a pivotal moment. The conversation deepened their connection. 316 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: That was then the first day that he had opened 317 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: up and he trusted me. He trusted me with his 318 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: secret and his family and his line. I think that 319 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: was the first time that I was like, yeah, he 320 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 2: really likes me. 321 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Leo let Bernie into his inner circle, but he made 322 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: it clear privacy and discretion was critical. 323 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: The first few months after that, it was amazing. He 324 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: really genuinely wanted to see me happy and to take 325 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: care of me. 326 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: Bernie and Leo were spending more and more time with 327 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: each other. 328 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: He pretty much moved in. I think that was about 329 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: a month and a half in. I gave McKey and 330 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: I literally just said, you know, use it whenever you want. 331 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: Leo never missed a moment to make Bernie feel loved. 332 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: If I was on a late shift, I would finish 333 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: ten eleven o'clock at night, and then he would be 334 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: there with dinner with flowers. At that minute in time, 335 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: I had felt the happiest, settled and loved. Then I 336 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: would probably say bar my mom than I had ever 337 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 2: felt in my life. 338 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: Even though Leo came from a wealthy background, he worked 339 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: hard and had a career he was passionate about. 340 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: He knew about watches, he was a horologist, he had 341 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: been to Switzerland, studied at the best places. He absolutely 342 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: knew everything. He had space to do a little studio. 343 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: He was taking all of these rolexes apart and in 344 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: front of me, putting them back together, and then he 345 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: was like, I'm licensed by Rolex to do that. 346 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: It was a very competitive certification. But luxury watches were 347 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: Leo's life. 348 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: He always had Rolex Flip on his arm. 349 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Within a few months, they were spending almost every night together. 350 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: They were exclusive. Bernie was starting to think that Leo 351 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: could be the one. There was only one big concern, 352 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: and that was Leo's health. It was there from the beginning, 353 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: but Bernie was seeing his symptoms worsen. Leo wasn't just coughing, 354 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: he was now throwing up. 355 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: He went silent for I want to say two days. Now. 356 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 2: By that point, please realize that two days, when I 357 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: am now fully into this, fully into the emotion, is 358 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: like two weeks. 359 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: During those two days, Bernie was desperate to hear from Leo. 360 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: While he waited, his mind began to spin. 361 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: What have I done? Have I said something? I went 362 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 2: back through WhatsApps and this is only two days of 363 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: no conversation. I went through WhatsApps to find out what 364 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: I've said that he could possibly take offense with anyway. 365 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: He eventually came back and basically apologized for not being 366 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: in contact with me over the two days. 367 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Leo had a good reason for being out of touch. 368 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: He'd been in the hospital. 369 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: He was like, I can't say anything over the phone, 370 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: but I just need to get out of London my 371 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: family going into a panic, and try to keep this maintained, 372 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: you know, make sure that it doesn't go to any press. 373 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: He was like, can I just come to yourselves? Like absolutely. 374 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: At that point, he told me that he was suffering 375 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: from brain cancer and they've given him a year to live, 376 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: and obviously he had a lot of process and that 377 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: he needed to do. 378 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: Bernie was devastated. He wanted to be there for Leo 379 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: any way he could. 380 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: I'm just going to sit here and be quiet. You 381 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: talk to me, you vent me, you get your frustrations out, 382 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: anything that is in your mind. I was like, you 383 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: literally throw them at me. This is what I'm here 384 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: to do. And he did, and he got upset, he 385 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: got angry, he was crying, and then he got to 386 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: the US conversation and he said, I can't really see 387 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: you anymore. 388 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: Leo didn't want to be a burden. 389 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: He was like, look, I can't promise you anything. If 390 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: this is how my life is going to end, there's 391 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: bits may not be pretty, and I was like, look, 392 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: I really don't care. I was like, if I have 393 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: to be a complete secret, even if we have to 394 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: break up, just I want to be your friend. It 395 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: wasn't about any of the sex or the relationship for me. 396 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: It was this person that was in front of me. 397 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: To Bernie's surprise, Leo even brought up as well. 398 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: He was like, obviously he can't change that because if 399 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 2: he put my name in there, they all questions will 400 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: come up with who. And I was like, I really 401 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: do not care. I was like, I literally do not 402 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: care about any of that. I was like, if you 403 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: get to that point, I will be here as much 404 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 2: as you need me to. 405 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: Leo couldn't come out to his family, so in order 406 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: for Bernie to stay in his life, he suggested Bernie 407 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: pretend to be his assistant or driver. It was the 408 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: kind of arrangement Bernie wouldn't have agreed to under normal circumstances, 409 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: but he was willing to do anything to make sure 410 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: he could care for Leo. 411 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: So he agreed, and I meant it one hundred percent, 412 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: not a second guess in my mind. 413 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: So Bernie immediately focused on helping Leo make sense of 414 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: his diagnosis. 415 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: I went online. I researched the hell out of it 416 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: down to all different methods, and I mean I did 417 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: go crazy with it, to be honest. I was there 418 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: for at least an entire twenty four hours googling research 419 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: and what this meant experimental drugs, and like, I just 420 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: went to town with everything that I could find out. 421 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: But Leo had already accepted that he didn't have much 422 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: time left. 423 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: He was talking about that he might not actually go 424 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: for chemo because he just wants to just end it 425 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: on his terms in Switzerland. That was a conversation that 426 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: we had. And then that's when we went onto a 427 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: conversation about I think I need to start living my 428 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: life while I've got it, and I was like, right, okay, 429 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: so let's do that. 430 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: For Leo, living his life to the fullest meant finally 431 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: launching his own watch restoration business that would be his legacy. 432 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: He had a collection of incredible luxury watches and he 433 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: couldn't take them with him. 434 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: One day he said to me, I've got all of 435 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: these watches. I might just start selling them because I 436 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: kind of like swap in a buying trade on this site. 437 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: And He's like, I kind of want to build something, 438 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: so instantly I kicked in. I was like, I can 439 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: build you a website. Let's register this company, and I did. 440 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: We had quite a few business meetings on how the 441 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: logo is going to look, what it's called, setting up 442 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: all of the social media for it, and I sat 443 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 2: on my little photoshop and I'd done the logo and 444 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 2: the company was called The Vintage Crown. 445 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: Leo wanted Bernie to list all of his watches and 446 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: post them online, so he brought his entire collection to 447 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: Bernie's house. 448 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: We came up and he literally had about two three 449 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: trunks of watches. I mean, I've got all the pictures 450 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: on my phone. Still, there was countless Rolelexes. There was 451 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: the tet Feliks, there was Van Kleef and Urpools. They 452 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: were stunning. There must have been i'd say close to 453 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 2: one hundred one hundred watches in my lounge on this table. 454 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: And there was this very very old Rolex. The gloss, 455 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 2: the watch face was quite rounded. 456 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Bernie picked up the watch. It was heavy and ornate. 457 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: It was like, this is probably the most expensive watch 458 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: that I own, and I was like, well, how much 459 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: is it worth? It was like you check it out. 460 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: So it's like, go on the Rolex website, turn the 461 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: watch over. I typed in the cerial number and it 462 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: came in at one point two million. At that point, 463 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: I probably had aboute hundred pound in my bank account, 464 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: so I'm like one point two million. It was just 465 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: insane to think of the money that was sat right 466 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: in front of me. 467 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: Leo had a staggering collection of luxury watches, and as 468 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: Bernie helped Leo launch his new watch business, Bernie got 469 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: a taste of that world. Like when Bernie came with 470 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: him to run errands at high end London department. 471 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 2: Stores and whenever we walked into Harold's, they knew of him. 472 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: They addressed him by his name, talking about previous purchases 473 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: that he had made, and full conversations. 474 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: He even asked Bernie to go to Selfridges, another luxury 475 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: department store in London for an exclusive event. 476 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: It's a private party of VIP, but it would be 477 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: quite nice if you can come with me just to 478 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: experience a bit of that lifestyle. And I was like, oh, 479 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: like absolutely yeah, I'll come out. So we got dressed, 480 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: made away into central London, walk into Selfridges and it 481 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: was red carpet, all of that. 482 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: This event was a big deal, and Leo was a 483 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: big deal. There. Everyone greeted him by name and immediately 484 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: people were vying for his attention. 485 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: So he went into this private VIP area through the door. 486 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: Leo was there to look at a specific. 487 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 2: Watch, and then he sent me a message and was like, Okay, 488 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: we've kind of done with the finance side, do you 489 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 2: want to come in? So I was absolutely so I 490 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: went in and it was a private room with a 491 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: head of European sales. The room was gorgeous. We had 492 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: or dirves that were laid out and the watches were 493 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: laid out in front of me. These ridiculous, I mean 494 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: the price of a house, these watches in front of us, 495 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: and it was just this woman, Leo and me. 496 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: Leo bought two watches that day as gifts for family members. 497 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: With Bernie's help, Leo's watch business got off the ground, 498 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: and as a thank you, he would let Bernie borrow 499 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: some of the pieces. 500 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: If we'd go for dinner, he'd give me a Rolex 501 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: or a a tech Philippin. He then called one day 502 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: and he said, this Rolex has come my way for 503 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: me to recondition and to sell. It's just a Sa Mariner. 504 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: I've got quite a few of them anyway. But he 505 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: was like, I thought of you. 506 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: Leo was making him an offer. 507 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: He was like, look, you buy it off of me 508 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: for twenty thousand. I will recondition it, I'll make it 509 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: look as good as new, i will polish it, I 510 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: will have it back up. And it's usually worth about 511 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: thirty to forty thousand. 512 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: Twenty grand up front. It would be a huge investment 513 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: for Bernie. And then Leo would resell it at a 514 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: profit of at least ten thousand pounds. 515 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: Of course, it would be amazing. That extra ten ground 516 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: for me at this minute in time would open up doors. 517 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: I've never had just a ten thousand pounds sum in 518 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: my account. 519 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: But Bernie didn't have twenty thousand pounds just lying around. 520 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: And I was all right. I was like at the 521 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: first I just don't have anywhere near that money whatsoever. Literally, 522 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: I think for my entire life it's been paycheck to paycheck. 523 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: I'm just very clever with it. Nowhere do I have 524 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: that kind of money. 525 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: Leo had an idea, what about Bernie's clothing business. It 526 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: wasn't as successful as the watch sales. 527 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: So he said, well the clothes was like, you know, 528 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: it's taking too much of your time. Is it really 529 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: doing anything? And I was like, it's getting a bit tiring, 530 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: And so I said, look, why don't you just sell 531 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: sell all of the clothes just in bulk. Somebody will 532 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: buy it it, sell the website off, like, sell the business, 533 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: get this watch, and then use that lump sum for 534 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: how whatever you want to do your next project. 535 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: Bernie had a few ideas for new businesses he wanted 536 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: to start. The investment in the watch represented a new chapter, 537 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: so he started crunching the numbers. 538 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: I was like, look, I can take this money out 539 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: of all of my credit cards. But if I do 540 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: that with my bills, my wage in retail will it 541 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: won't even cover half of all them repayments in one 542 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: go by maxing out them cars. So he said, look, 543 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: once I've got the money, it will take about a 544 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: week for the watch to get here. So I will 545 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: recondition it, I'll get it sent to you. You'll sell 546 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 2: it before you next get paid if I get it. 547 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: But I'd never do anything to hurt you. This is 548 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: for your benefit. Look, if it's too much then you 549 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: know what, let's just not do it. Let's just just 550 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: forget about it completely. And by that point I was like, 551 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: I'd already kind of imagined if I sell all of 552 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: this stuff and I take from these credit cards, by 553 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: the end of it, I could have ten to twenty 554 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: thousand pounds, which is just mine to do with. So 555 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: I was like, right, okay, I trust him one hundred percent, 556 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: let's just do this. Bernie was in So I sold 557 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: the website off and then I think that only got 558 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: about half of it, maybe a little bit more. And 559 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: then I did have a few credit cards, so I 560 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: got rid of the final bits of the clothes, took 561 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: out from every credit card that I had, maxed it out, 562 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: and gave it him. 563 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: Bernie got fifteen thousand pounds from maxed out credit cards. 564 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: For the rest of the money, he took out an 565 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: incredibly high interest loan. 566 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: These payday loans, the interest rate is seventy nine percent 567 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: per month, and that's more than what you've borrowed. 568 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: Bernie was putting everything on the line. He sent Leo 569 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: the twenty thousand, and Leo ordered the watch. 570 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: It'd been delivered to his Hyde Park address. 571 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: But it was the week of Christmas and Leo wasn't home. 572 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: He was at the castle. 573 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: He has responsibilities around the UK, so he was up 574 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 2: there doing official business and he will get. 575 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: To it with the holidays. It could be a week 576 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: before Leo got to the watch. That meant weeks before 577 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: they could resell it. 578 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: That's when I started panicking because at that point there 579 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: is absolutely no way that I am going to be 580 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: able to cover that next payment. And I told him 581 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 2: that I am getting nervous because I know the tsunami 582 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: that's coming if this isn't paid. 583 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: But Leo was calm. He handled deals like this all 584 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: the time. 585 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: He just kept reassuring me, saying, look, there's a little 586 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: bit of a delay. I've got a buyer. I've got 587 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: somebody that's interested. As soon as I can get my 588 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: hands down to this watch. It will take me one 589 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: day to recondition it because it's in very good quality, 590 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: and I will literally have a buyer for you within 591 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: twenty four hours. 592 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: After that, Leo seemed to change. The loving calls and 593 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: texts started dwindling. 594 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: The communication with me and him went very sparse. The 595 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: morning messages, which by this point had constantly continued If 596 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: I had even to the point if he was staying 597 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: at mine and I woke up at four in the 598 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: morning to go to work, when he woke up, I 599 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: would still get that morning message. 600 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: And now those techs stopped coming. Their connection started to 601 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: feel less like a romantic relationship and more like a 602 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: business partnership. 603 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 2: It went from loving and just amazing conversations to all 604 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: about the watch. 605 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: For Bernie, this cold shoulder really hurt. Obviously he was 606 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: concerned about the watch, but that wasn't what he really 607 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: cared about. 608 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 2: I am fully in depth, I am fully in love 609 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: with him. 610 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: In seven months, Leo had become the center point of 611 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: his life. 612 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: He was my world at that point, and there was 613 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: nothing else that I was concentrated on. I had stopped 614 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: talking to my friend, even my best friend. I'd stopped 615 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: talking to my family, and all of a sudden, this 616 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: person is completely disregarding me. I was panicking then. I 617 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: was then going back to that state. What have I done? 618 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: What have I said? I know it's Christmas. I don't 619 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: want to contact him too much because I know that 620 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: he's working and he's probably with people with his family. 621 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm panicking because I'm not 622 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: getting that response. Then comes Christmas Eve and he kind 623 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 2: of goes silent a little bit, and then I get 624 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: Christmas Eve. I get a few messages, very cold, and 625 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 2: it was like I'm with people, I can't talk. I 626 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 2: was like, okay, I just wanted to wish you a 627 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: merry Christmas. 628 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: It was important for Leo to spend time with his 629 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: family because he had so little time left. Maybe the 630 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: reality of his diagnosis was finally hitting him. Bernie understood 631 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: why Leo might be pulling away, but it still starts. 632 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: Next morning, I did actually get quite a nice message. 633 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 2: It's just like Merry Christmas, handsome and blah blah blah 634 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: blah blah. I instantly my mood I was uplifted. I 635 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's okay. What's your plans for today? 636 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: It was I went straight into that puppy mode like 637 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 2: he could do no wrong. And he said, I'm with 638 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: my family all day. I won't be able to contact 639 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 2: you for the next two days. I was like, Okay, 640 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: that's absolutely fine. I get it. It's Christmas, you are 641 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: supposed to spend that with your family. 642 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: Bernie spent that Christmas alone waiting for a message from Leo. 643 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: But that day Bernie noticed something strange. 644 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 2: It seemed like. 645 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: Leo was actually spending Christmas Day with another man, someone 646 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: Bernie had never seen before. 647 00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 2: There was a picture on his WhatsApp update. It was him, 648 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: but there was somebody else in the background. There was 649 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 2: this guy just walking towards the camera, looking directly in 650 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 2: the camera as if he was going to say something, 651 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: and it was the inside of a church, and it 652 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: just bugged me. 653 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: For a few days, Bernie stared at the photo, practically 654 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: memorizing every detail. 655 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: Anyway, So on the twenty seventh, heet messaged. I was like, sorry, 656 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: I've not been I've been with family, this and the other. 657 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, how was your Christmas to check 658 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: up to so much? And he was like, no, we 659 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 2: just really stayed around the castle and then we didn't 660 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: really do anything. I was like, oh, what about the church? 661 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: I was like, what church? And then it was just 662 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: like I was like, oh, I just saw your update 663 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 2: on your WhatsApp and it was a picture of a church. 664 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. 665 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: You didn't see anything. 666 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: But Bernie had looked at the photo over and over 667 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: he knew what he saw and I. 668 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 2: Was like, no, it was I didn't do an update. 669 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 2: That was no update. And then he got into such 670 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 2: denial he was adamant and quite nasty with it that 671 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 2: I completely made it up. I did not see it. 672 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 2: There was nothing on his profile. 673 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: It was the first time Leo had acted like this. 674 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: He was defensive and angry over something so small. He 675 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: knew it meant Leo might be hiding something. So Bernie 676 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: pulled back a bit. 677 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 2: I kind of slowed down message in him. I don't 678 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 2: get a call again quite late at night, and it's 679 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 2: like I've just had a massive argument with my family. 680 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: On the other end of the phone, Leo was hysterical. 681 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 2: And he's like, Bernie, I can't take this. I can't 682 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: take this life anymore, the stress that I've been under. 683 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 2: I just don't like my family. I don't want to 684 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 2: do this anymore. Can you come and get me? So 685 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 2: of course I've then said yes instantly. Where are you? 686 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: Calm down, stay on the phone with me. 687 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: Leo sent an address. It was a five hour drive 688 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: from London, so Bernie got in the car and stayed 689 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: on the phone with Leo while he drove through the 690 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: night to meet him. At two am, he picked up 691 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: Leo and brought them to a hotel. 692 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 2: We stayed the night. We had a long conversation about 693 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: his stress levels and he's sorry that he's been distant 694 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 2: and he doesn't how to cope with this as well 695 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: as his diagnosis. And at the end of this he'll 696 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: get the watch. He's going to go down, he'll get it, 697 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: and if he hasn't got it by this point, he 698 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: will give me the money and then sell it on himself. 699 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: And I just felt seeing and he was in tears. 700 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 2: He went asleep and I was stroking his hair. It 701 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: was as if this guy was broken, broken with life. 702 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: There in the hotel room, Bernie finally fell close to 703 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: Leo again. Leo needed him, and Bernie would do anything 704 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: to make him happy. The next morning, Leo seemed renewed, 705 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: back to his old self. He confessed to Bernie that 706 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: he had been hiding something. Now he was finally ready 707 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: to talk about it. 708 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 2: It's like, so, I've got a serious question that I 709 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 2: need to ask you, and I've been thinking about this 710 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 2: with everything that's been going on, and I was like, okay, 711 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: and it was like I've had enough of this entire 712 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 2: life that I have to do and I'm done with it. 713 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 2: I want to move away. And he was like, I 714 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 2: want to move somewhere in Scotland. Would you come with me? 715 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 2: And I was like sorry, I was like what. I 716 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: was like, I've seen this house. I've been thinking about 717 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: this for a long time and I was going to 718 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 2: go on my own. And that's why I've been distant 719 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: because I didn't know what I was going to do. 720 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 2: But I want you to come with me. 721 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: Leo was dead serious. He was ready to put in 722 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 1: an offer on a house. 723 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 2: I was like, I've already contacted the estate agent. This 724 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 2: house was a full on castle in the Scottish Islands. 725 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 2: When you think the quintessence English castle. It was exactly that. 726 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: They looked at the listening together and started imagining a 727 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: new life there. They wouldn't have to hide from Leo's 728 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,439 Speaker 1: family or the press. Bernie could take care of Leo 729 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: as his cancer progressed, and whatever came next, they could 730 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: face it together. 731 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 2: It's like, I just wanted to be me and you 732 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 2: and I was like yes. And it's difficult now to 733 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 2: really kind of explain exactly how it felt, because his 734 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 2: world at certain points starts to crumble and he has 735 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: to get what he can do and run to create 736 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 2: another life for himself. But in the end it was 737 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: all a lie. 738 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly, I emailed Arundel Cars, 739 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: which is the official residence of the Duke of Norfolk. 740 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 2: There was absolutely no record of Leo Howard, Leo Bosehoward 741 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 2: or absolutely anything. So then I started doing my own research. 742 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 2: This person, this Leo Howard, there was absolutely no trace. 743 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: Before we end the episode, I have some exciting news. 744 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: Betrayal will be doing our first ever live show as 745 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: part of the Virgin Voyage's True Crime Cruise. We'll be 746 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: answering listener questions and discussing them live on stage with 747 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: Stacey and Tyler from Betrayal season three, as well as 748 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: Caroline from season four. So if you have a question 749 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: for us, please email us at betrayalpod at gmail dot 750 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: com with the subject line listener question and if you 751 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: want to join us on the Caribbean cruise, there are 752 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 1: still spots available search Virgin Voyages dot com true Crime. 753 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal 754 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: team or want to tell us your Betrayal story, email 755 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: us at Betrayalpod at gmail dot com. That's Betrayal Pod 756 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, or follow us on Instagram at 757 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: Betrayal Pod. You can also connect with me on Instagram 758 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: at It's Andrea Gunning. 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The show is executive 767 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: produced by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced 768 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: by me Andrea Gunning, written and produced by Olivia Hu 769 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 1: and Monique Leboard, also produced by Ben Fetterman. Associate producers 770 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: are Caitlin Golden and Kristin Melcuri. Casting support from Curry Richmond. 771 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Krincheck. Audio 772 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: editing and mixing by Matt del Vechio. Additional audio editing 773 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: by Tanner Robbins, betrayal's theme composed by Oliver Bains. 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