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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: ty Hildeman, joining me. Way the hell over there on

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: Today's episode is a bit thematic, Dan, What is the

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Speaker 3: purpose of this here episode?

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Speaker 1: I don't know truly. The purpose of today's episode is

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Speaker 1: we want to be on the record and we want

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Speaker 1: to use the off season as a means of connecting

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Speaker 1: with you, the listener. And the obvious way to connect

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Speaker 1: is we all love college football. Here are the things

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Speaker 1: we love about college football. Here are the small elements

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Speaker 1: of the sport that we love. But we've done that show, Ty,

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Speaker 1: We've done the show with like the mysterious squirt through

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Speaker 1: where a tiny running back runs slams into the B

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Speaker 2: So we've gone through.

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Speaker 1: The mysterious score through. Yes, so we've gone through the

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Speaker 1: smaller elements or the micro moments of the sport that

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Speaker 1: we love. Today, I think we're going to try to

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Speaker 1: it minor annoyances, minor grievances, because we love the sport.

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Speaker 1: But there are some plays, there are some calls from coaches,

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Speaker 1: there are some calls from broadcasters, there are some elements

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Speaker 1: these things could potentially be improved upon. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: I think that makes sense. This is our college Football

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Speaker 2: Minor Grievances bracket. We've got thirty two items here that

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Speaker 2: where you can send yours in. Of course, we'll be

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Speaker 2: Now it goes behind the paywall.

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Speaker 1: That will not be a public face again, that will be.

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Speaker 2: Password protected to the teeth. Okay, so what we've got

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Speaker 2: here is, as I said, thirty two items. We paired

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And look, how do we define minor annoyance and

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Speaker 2: like just one more stop, one more stop gets us

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. The penalty. The specific penalty though,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you're stealing my thunder. This is going to

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, fair enough, But I think and I don't

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Speaker 2: Next matchup, going from the shotgun on fourth in inches, okay,

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Speaker 1: This is tough because I can find reasons to defend

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Speaker 2: Going from the shotgun on fourth and to me, it

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Speaker 2: I can almost defend throwing short of the sticks, almost

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Speaker 2: All right, next up, trying to draw team off sides.

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Speaker 1: It is. This is a solid eight nine or a

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Speaker 2: How many times? How many times in your storied career

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Speaker 1: It's maybe two percent. It never never works. It's a

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Speaker 2: It never works, that's the problem. It never works. So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is sort of our bad decisions.

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Speaker 2: Region here in our grouping of thirty two items. Why

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Speaker 2: don't we move now to the presentation division. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: first matchup broadcasts randomly appearing in four ADP.

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Speaker 1: Versus Joe I went overall seed, but it's up there.

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Speaker 2: Versus versus Joel Klatt. We included That was just a joke,

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Speaker 2: That was just a goof Yeah, we put Clatt in here.

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Speaker 2: He's in here just so for DP could move on.

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Speaker 2: He won the play in game, maybe against kirkhurb Street

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Speaker 2: or I don't know, somebody else, Todd Blackledge, But for DP, like,

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Speaker 2: how is this still possible that we're getting four ADP

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Speaker 2: broadcasts in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: We got an explanation that it was ESPN farming out

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Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't put Joel Klatt in this matchup if

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I fit this personally for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: You're like solid rebels, Dan is a minor annoyance. I

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Speaker 1: getting a replay in there, which is not the analyst's

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Speaker 1: where you watch a game and you're like, did he

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Speaker 2: He came from a wedding reception.

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Speaker 1: Yes, where it was like whoever was slated to call

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Speaker 1: and as having intestinal despair and tim Brando, Yes, is

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Speaker 1: He has a suit, he has just got a haircut.

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Speaker 2: We'll send a car. We'll send a car. You're on

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Speaker 2: the mic. Yeah, right, four, ADP goes on.

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Speaker 1: Four, ADP goes on.

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Speaker 2: Next one. This is my number one overall seed. This

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Speaker 2: next one's my number one overall seed. The modern swirling slash,

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Speaker 2: the strobe lights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're they're LEDs are going in everywhere. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it has to be LEDs.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, of course you get it. It's we can

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Speaker 2: with this, here's why this is a minor annoyance to me.

436
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Speaker 2: I don't mind the innovation. I don't mind the innovation

437
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: we talk about. We do like six shows a year

438
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 2: where we try to rack our brains for new ways

439
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: that recruits can innovate in the space of recruiting announcements,

440
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: in the space of draft declaration announcements, transfer announcements, you

441
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: name it. This is largely a sport outside of what

442
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: we see maybe from an x's and O standpoint, this

443
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: is largely a sport that's void of innovation. Okay, void

444
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: of innovation save for a few obvious things. What bothers

445
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: me is that Bamas started doing this, and then a

446
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: bunch of other schools just decided, Oh, we want to

447
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: be Bama. We're gonna do it too, right. I don't

448
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: know how many schools are doing this thing now with

449
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: the LED stadium whites, but it alsos me.

450
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Speaker 1: It looks different right the LEDs And look, if you're

451
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: doing this because it's more efficient, the bulbs last longer.

452
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of good reasons, I'm sure to upgrade

453
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: your lighting, but it looks different, right that, Like the

454
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: temperature of the lights makes it look sometimes like you're

455
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Speaker 1: playing in a dome even though it's outside. Like there's

456
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Speaker 1: a different look to the led transfer.

457
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Speaker 2: It's like a sixty one hundred kelvin situation, right.

458
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: You're you're playing under a desk lamp. Like, eh, this

459
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: is a weird, weird different look where you think your

460
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: TV is a little bit off. But it's just the

461
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: stadium lighting has and you get your eyes get used

462
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: to it. But the sort of flashing and all the

463
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Speaker 1: lights go out. We can also file this under minor

464
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: grievances because ty and Dan are just getting up there

465
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: in years. You can't Tyan Dan or yelling at some clouds.

466
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: Right. But there's a heavy millennial influence on this show,

467
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: and that's fine. Yeah, of course you you included stadium

468
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: DJ's on here. Yeah, what's your beef with stadium DJs?

469
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's be clear. I don't have a problem

470
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Speaker 1: with stadium's playing music like between quarters or before kickoff.

471
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: All that is cool and it's great. It's the actual

472
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: like DJ is on the field things before a game,

473
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: or like somebody in the athletic department felt like the

474
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Speaker 1: stadium needed more energy, and so they brought in DJ

475
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Robbie rob and he's down there like he has a microphone.

476
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: He's hyping up the crowd. I know there's a lot

477
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Speaker 1: of like in stadium announcers and hosts and stuff like that,

478
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's a spectrum of good ones and

479
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: not so good ones. But it's just the idea of again,

480
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Speaker 1: we are we are entering, or we have entered, our

481
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: fifth decade of life. We're old, we're yelling at clouds,

482
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: where has beens? Whatever? But seeing a DJ in a

483
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Speaker 1: college football field, it's sort of seems incongruous. It doesn't

484
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: seem like right place, right time to me that there

485
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: are probably reasons why there is an energy there, and

486
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: a DJ is not going to fix it. It's just

487
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: gonna make it look weird to me. All Right, we're

488
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: going LEDs.

489
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Speaker 2: We gotta go led lights, right Yeah, Okay, Next up,

490
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: we've got networks not showing an obvious replay. This is

491
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Speaker 2: what you were alluding to just a few minutes ago,

492
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: versus an unreviewable game breaking moment. Huh, this is a

493
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: very good one. So the first is sort of what

494
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: you alluded to. With you know whatever, announcer doesn't matter.

495
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: And I feel like I've had this grievance with Fox

496
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: a lot over the last couple of years where they're

497
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: kind of in the throes of the broadcast. And I'm

498
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: not throwing anyone in particular under the bus with this,

499
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: but it just feels like they're really in in in

500
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: the groove of calling, the game of calling, the situation

501
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: of talking through the scenarios, and I'm at home on

502
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: my couch screaming, show me the replay. You show every

503
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: other replay, Why not this one seems obvious? They don't

504
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: show it. That's very bothersome for me.

505
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Speaker 1: I think that one is my answer because it's it

506
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: really affects the user experience, the viewer experience, and I

507
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: think I probably understand a little bit of why we

508
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: get that sometimes totally because I totally moving we're moving

509
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: more towards more remote broadcasts because ESPN, Fox whoever, are

510
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: looking to broadcast on the cheap because they're looking to

511
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: save money after spending a lot of cash on these rights.

512
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: And so you have announcers calling, you know, Kansas, Kansas

513
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: State in LA. You have announcers calling Cincinnati, Utah, in Connecticut,

514
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: and so there are gonna be fewer cameras, there are

515
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: going to be fewer production employees, replay employees, replay opportunities,

516
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: and so if there is an opportunity to see whether

517
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: or not a guy crossed the goal line, and all

518
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: you get is an angle behind the play where you

519
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: can't tell anything, and you're just like, well, this is

520
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: completely useless. Well it's because we don't have as many

521
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: cameras because we are cutting costs, and it's horrible and

522
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: it ruins that moment where you're like, I don't know

523
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: what the refs are looking at. I don't know what

524
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: I should be looking at if I can't see a

525
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: good angle, and so, or just moving past a play

526
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: where're like you needed obviously to see what happened, like

527
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: it was a bang bang thing, and you're like, well

528
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: that was a first down. We're moving on. You're like,

529
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: what was it? Clearly didn't seem like it was, Yeah,

530
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and we just move on and don't talk about it anymore.

531
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Speaker 2: Worst I think we got we got to move that

532
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: one through. Yeah. For as much as the unreviewable moment

533
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: can be bothersome mm hm, we are nothing if not

534
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: selfish podcast. So it's all about the user experience from

535
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: our QUI yes, final pairing in this sub region again,

536
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: the presentation subregion, let's call.

537
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: It yeah, yeah, yeah.

538
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: I jotted these down. These are two taie ones. Okay,

539
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: I've got sideline reports that offer no insight, okay, versus

540
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: rules analysts who hedge.

541
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: One is sort of innocuous one. You're in. You're generally

542
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: in a heightened state of nervousness because there's a play

543
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: that's so close that it's being reviewed by the refs,

544
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: whether it's targeting, whether it's a spot, whether it's out

545
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: of bounds, whether it's diddy come downward or bobble to

546
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: catch whatever, that it's generally a I don't know if

547
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: it's a higher leverage moment, but it's a it's a

548
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: tensor moment. And having a rules analyst on there who

549
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily care about getting it right or is sort

550
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: of wishy washy with like, well they might be thinking this.

551
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, why are we here? Why are we

552
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: here to have this conversation? We can just wait and see.

553
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: I think that gets it for me, because you know,

554
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: a sideline reporter saying, like, you know, coach said they

555
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: got to do, they got to toughen up in the

556
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: second half. Back to you, Bill, it's kind of annoying,

557
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really go as far as being memorable.

558
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think sideline reporters buy and large

559
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: get a really bad rap, a really bad rap, because

560
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: look I gotta do is read the Internet, and you

561
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: could see what people say about people who are trying

562
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: to do a good job at sideline reporting. It's hard

563
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: to offer insight from that perspective because you're chasing down injuries,

564
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: you're trying to be in the flow of the game.

565
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a much harder job than most people

566
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: would recognize. And so, by and large, and again this

567
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: is a minor annoyance from my standpoint where I'm in

568
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: the game. I'm watching Notre Dame, I'm watching Penn State.

569
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: They kick it down to whoever is on the side,

570
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: Tom Logan, Bill, whoever's on the sidelines, and they give

571
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: me a nugget of information that does not interest me,

572
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: And I sort of furrow my brow at that, right.

573
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: But that's a hard spot to put anybody in.

574
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're a reporter, you want to justify

575
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: your existence in place right, And there are a number

576
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: of things that are super interesting that sideline reporters or

577
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: sideline analysts whatever can report on. Right that like if

578
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: a coach and player got in a shouting match or

579
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: a shoving match, or if this player is favoring his

580
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: left ankle, or if this quarterback right before this key

581
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: drive was like really inspiring his offensive line and his

582
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: receivers and he the expletives were flying, Like that's really

583
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: like interesting, nice color, right, Yeah, to understand before a

584
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: big moment or a big drive, like, that's really cool

585
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: that say Molly McGrath or Jenny Taft or whoever, both

586
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: of those women do great jobs. That's like a to

587
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: observe the emotion on the sideline and report back on it.

588
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: That's cool. But like I talked to coach so and so,

589
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: and they said they need to keep doing what they're

590
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: doing exactly.

591
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So I

592
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: get it. I think that's a hard job. I think

593
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: it gets a bad rap when rules the analysts hedge. Though,

594
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: mm hmm. This one irks me. The sole purpose that

595
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: there are two purposes in my view for the rules analyst.

596
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: I e.

597
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: The ex referee who they put up in the booth,

598
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: give them, give them a monitor, let them look at

599
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: all the replays. The two the two rules for the

600
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: rules analyst is A. Explain the rules to us, like

601
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: we're dumb dumbs.

602
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: Here's the applicable rule for this.

603
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: Moment, right, yeah, right, and b give us your opinion

604
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: on replays. I would say for the most part, they're

605
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: pretty damn good at explaining the rules. They do a

606
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: good job of that. But I've seen it happen on

607
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: on on multiple occasions where they show the replay and

608
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: the rules analyst is unwilling to pick a side.

609
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

610
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's because they don't want

611
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: to be wrong, because nobody wants to be wrong, let's

612
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: be honest, or if they're just like trying not to

613
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: be controversial. But the whole reason, half of the reason

614
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: for that person to be up there and have that

615
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: microphone is to take a side on some of these

616
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: questionable decisions. Right when they don't that bothers me. I

617
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: put that one through.

618
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can. I'll put it through too. And

619
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: what you can do if you are you know, Mike Pereira,

620
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: Dean Blandino, any of these guys. Is you can very

621
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: plainly state that this is a difficult call because because

622
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: they're bobbling it as they go out of bounds. This

623
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: is purely a judgment call by the replay official. I say, no,

624
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: catch right, Yeah, that you can. It's not hedging, but

625
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: it's sort of describing why it's difficult. Here's how I

626
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: would call it. Yeah, that to me is acceptable, but

627
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: that's not always the reality.

628
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on. We've got we're halfway through here.

629
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: It's gonna start moving quick. I promise, let's do it.

630
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: I've done this before. I know how to pace it.

631
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: Trust me, I'm ready.

632
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 2: Uniforms that blend in with the turf versus players throwing

633
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: punches at helmeted opponents.

634
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm not colorblind, so you don't always have

635
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: to be though the ladder.

636
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: You don't always have to be.

637
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: There have been shades of green and then Boise State blue.

638
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've had like an eastern Washington

639
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: moment or a coastal Carolina moment. We have some alt

640
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: colors that aren't green or blue. I'm not colorblind, so

641
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: this isn't as emotional an item for me, So I

642
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have punching a hard helmet. That's more

643
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: funny than annoying. But if it's your guy and he

644
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: thinks you are doing that.

645
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Or if he gets penalized for.

646
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: It, and if he gets penalized, Yeah.

647
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Throwing the punch the helmeted opponent. To me, it's it's

648
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: more of a hit scratcher. This is sort of a

649
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: head scratcher subregion. Okay, hmm, players throwing punches at the

650
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: helmet that goes through. Next up the quarterback who is

651
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: notably not Patrick Mahomes, believing himself to be Patrick Mahomes. Yeah,

652
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: versus the rap and slip out sacks. Explain these two

653
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: man two are for ballerhood Dan.

654
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks being sacked is right handed and his only way

655
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: of getting the ball out is throwing the ball straight

656
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: up with his left hand. Yeah, not my favorite thing.

657
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: That's pretty major though. I don't even know if that's

658
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: minor annoyance and watching a game, but it's anything where

659
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 1: it's just like I am going to do something as

660
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: the ninth most competent Big ten quarterback that only a

661
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer can maybe pull off. I appreciate the balls.

662
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate the mindset of like I gotta do anything

663
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: possible to help this team win. But sometimes just throw

664
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: out a bounce, sometimes take a sack. Taking sacks better

665
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: than throwing an interception. That's awful. And then what was

666
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: the other one?

667
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: Wrap up and slip out sacks.

668
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: That happens. That to me is my winner. That to

669
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: me is like a player who has done everything right

670
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: to beat the right tackle, to you know, swing their

671
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: hip towards the quarterback and then to be teased with

672
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: the upcoming reality of a sack, and then have a

673
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: wriggle away.

674
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

675
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: That to me when I think about these two things,

676
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: because the former happens so infrequently, but I feel like

677
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: the wriggle away non sack that is that's something I

678
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: don't get past.

679
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 2: There are a lot of quarterbacks out there who try

680
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: to play hero ball, and I think a lot of

681
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: a lot of quarterbacks, certainly in today's day and age,

682
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: that have been influenced by Pat Mahomes and what he

683
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: can do. Sure, and so there's there's a lot more

684
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: of the I saw a clip floating around social media.

685
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: Mac Jones is working on no look passes too, Why not?

686
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: He will need that as a backup for the Jaguars.

687
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Right, Let's let's just work on nailing his look passes.

688
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: Let's let's work on the on the look passes. Yeah,

689
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of that going on right now.

690
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: But the wrap up and slip out sack, the wriggle away,

691
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm jotting that down. The wriggle away is pretty good

692
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: to me, So that one moves on. Okay, Next up

693
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: we have a clash of I would say Titans Dan Okay.

694
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: If I'm venturing a guess one of these two comes

695
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: out of this little sub region. Yeah. Yeah, it's a

696
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: matchup between kick catch interference and the midfield fourth and

697
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: short punt plus plus important caveat. The announcers also applauding it.

698
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: Had to do it, Chip, had to do it with

699
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: plenty of time left. You got a punt. You gotta

700
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: punt and trust your defense.

701
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: The announcer applauding it, I think is the kicker.

702
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: Ultimately that's the right move. Yeah, it's tough there, but

703
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: that's the right call. Yeah.

704
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Catch interference is really a pain in the ass, though.

705
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Don't know how you can ask an offense to gain

706
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: literally a yard. I don't see it. I don't see it.

707
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Call me old school.

708
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: The thing about the announcers when they when they applaud it, Yeah,

709
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: it always comes from like this deep gunner role, almost

710
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: philosophical belief that this is the only way to play it. Yeah,

711
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: And every now and again it comes at odds with

712
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: some graphic that they're putting up on the screen or

713
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: something that the play by play analyst calls out that

714
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: talks about the analytics of the situation. You know what

715
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean. Yeah, twenty six percent of the time on

716
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: fourth in less than yard, go going for it. I

717
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: don't know what the percentage is. I just made that up.

718
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: Going for it will yield a first down. We gotta go.

719
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: You gotta punt it. You gotta punt in this situation.

720
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: You gotta turn over your defense. Defense have been playing

721
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: well the whole game. I think this is the one

722
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: that goes through.

723
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's there's generally some sort of allusion to

724
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: I know, the analytics say go, but that's right exactly,

725
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, and it's just like, you know,

726
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you got it. You don't trust Moments

727
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: like these to the math dorks in the building, that's right.

728
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of clad energy to that

729
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: red little.

730
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: There was a little bit of clat in that.

731
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, that's that's the one where look

732
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: there are and I'm a big believer right that like

733
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: all fourth and ones from midfield are not created equal.

734
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: That you know, there are extenuating circumstances, there are reasons

735
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: to punt, or there are reasons to consider punting even

736
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: if you go for it. But uh, it does seem

737
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: like they're this automatic aversion to aggression and when a

738
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: team goes for it, which generally speaking, the math will

739
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: say in a lot of these moments, you know, it's

740
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: seventy percent or eighty percent like that, there's this aversion

741
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: to aggression from the announcers, and if a team doesn't

742
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: get it, they use that as a reason that they

743
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: were right. That it's not process its results, it's you know,

744
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: and so that to me, it's almost like expected now.

745
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: But I do love it when a team correctly goes

746
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: for it the announcer says, I don't know about that,

747
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: tim and then they get it, and then they just

748
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: sort of have to pretend like they just didn't agree

749
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: with it.

750
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the flip side to this now in the

751
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: day and age of like Lane Kiffin, who has been

752
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: very aggressive on fourth downs, you have a lot more

753
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: of this when announcers are calling Lane kiffen games ole

754
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: misgame right course, because it's it's so patently obvious that

755
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: he's going to be going for in some of these situations,

756
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: and announcers in a sense have to bite their lip

757
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: to not be too anti even though we know they

758
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: all are.

759
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: They all see Look, I root for a team that

760
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: was overly aggressive and didn't kick a field goal after

761
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: a turnover right before the half that ultimately could have

762
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: been a difference in the game the Oregon Washington game

763
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: this year. And you have to pick your spots. You

764
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: have to pick your moments to take points, depending on

765
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: the clock, depending on the situation. I fully agree with

766
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: you don't need to go all gas, no breaks every

767
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: play or every decision. But I'm always going to air

768
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: on the side of trusting your offense to gain a yard,

769
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: giving your defense a little bit more time to rest,

770
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: to have an entire year, entire spring practice and entire

771
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: week of practice, entire fall camp, to install plays that

772
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: you feel like, give you a ninety six percent chance

773
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: of succeeding if you need to gain one or two

774
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: yards midfield ish or just tape every single Kyle Shanahan play.

775
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, exactly. Yeah, all right, this last

776
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: one here, we've got wasted timeouts coming back to bite

777
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: your team lead versus a bizarre two point attempt.

778
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so both sort of related to the last matchup.

779
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: Both sort of related. They're they're all kind of related

780
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: thematically here in this subpod. But the wasted timeouts thing,

781
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: I feel has been a an annoyance since the beginning

782
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: of time. And this is all this is all under

783
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: the umbrella category of bad clock management. The bizarre two

784
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: point attempt, to me, is an interesting conversation. And what

785
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean by this is those game situations where the

786
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: coach just sort of decides he's feeling himself and he's

787
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: gonna go for it.

788
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

789
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily make sense to draw the lead down

790
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 2: to five point points, right, but we're gonna do it anyway,

791
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: and then when they miss it. Brian Kelly's had a

792
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: few of these in his coaching career.

793
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: Mark well fretchd Oregan sure it's like we're gonna we're

794
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna go for it, and if it doesn't work, so

795
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: be it.

796
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: It will set us back nine points as opposed to yeah, three,

797
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: but we're just we feel it. We're going forward anyway.

798
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: Let's say you.

799
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: So bizarre two point what was the other one?

800
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: Bizarre two point decision versus wasted timeouts coming back to

801
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: bite you, lad.

802
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: Oh man. At least you kind of know what you

803
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: have to deal with when you waste a time out

804
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: and you can adjust accordingly. It does annoy me right

805
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: that you know a team can't get set, or that

806
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: there's too many players on the field that like it's

807
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: it's coaching and procedural. So it's annoying on the coaches,

808
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: not necessarily on the quarterback not paying attention to the

809
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: game clock. So I'm gonna go with bizarre two point

810
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: can version play just because the worst of those is

811
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback rolling out, not seeing anybody and like buying

812
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: time and then just heaving it towards the end zone

813
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: to hope that somebody comes down with a tipped pass. Yeah,

814
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: when it doesn't seem like there's a plan. So I'm

815
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna go with that one. I'm gonna go with the

816
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: bizarre two point play.

817
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's call the bizarre two point situation because it, Yeah,

818
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: what we're calling out here is the full decision tree

819
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: of not only deciding to go for it, but then

820
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: going forward and not really having a plan otherwise. Right,

821
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: final classification here, we will just call these head scratchers. Okay, Right,

822
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: Consistently awful snapping versus gloveless fumbles.

823
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so these were two entries that I came up with.

824
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: Consistently awful snapping is my number one overall city because

825
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: all right, every center is an offensive lineman, Okay, And

826
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: it's a specialized role in which centers snap the ball. Well,

827
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: even before they snap the ball, right, they're generally calling

828
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: out the fronts to communicate with the rest of the

829
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's a difficult position to play in, difficult

830
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: position to master. But if your center cannot snap the ball.

831
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: Alabama went through this with their team in the Rose

832
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: Bowl this year, and a lot of teams at some

833
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: point in time will have a center who is either

834
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, air mailing it, you know, six feet above

835
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback's head or rocketing it right at their shins,

836
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: or you know dirting the ball right to the quarterback

837
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: for some reason that I mean, you like to call

838
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: it the yips, right, that's.

839
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: This is all yips. Yeah.

840
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: The thing that is so it again this is another

841
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: marrow one for me is you can't even start a play.

842
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: You can't even can't even give yourself an opportunity. And

843
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: so if you go into a play in your center

844
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: has been having issues snapping the ball all quarter long,

845
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: all drive long, all game long, whatever, and you go

846
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: into a third and six and you have to on

847
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: all of the third and six is have it in

848
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: the back of your mind that I don't know if

849
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: our center can start this play correctly. That to me

850
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: last the entire game. I have sleepless nights because of this.

851
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: As an organ fan with a twenty fifteen Alim Mobile,

852
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: like all of these moments of having a center either

853
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: even if it just happens once a game, then it's

854
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: in your head. It's in your mind as a fan

855
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: that like, at any given moment, this could happen again

856
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: and completely tank this drive or this game or whatever.

857
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: So I.

858
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: That's my number one in this bracket.

859
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: Go gloveless fumbles is funny to say.

860
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: It is a funny. I had that as an organ

861
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: fan as well with a running back, But yeah, that happens.

862
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: You'll see that sometimes where a returner, a running back,

863
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: a receiver, whatever, just gets the ball punched out and

864
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: that happens. But when they don't take all precautions to

865
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: keep a tight grip on the ball. And I don't

866
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: know if you've ever worn like a modern college football glove.

867
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: Those things are sticky, they're very stills, are very tough

868
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: to not hold onto a ball with. That's a tough

869
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: one for me that you paired those two because I

870
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: was prepared to let out some steam on that. But

871
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: it's it's the snap and yips for me.

872
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that second base is also hard to master.

873
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: Middle infield is a difficult spot on the baseball diamond

874
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: to master. There's a lot of movement, a lot of

875
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: covering second base.

876
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Ball hit to you, there's motion to it.

877
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on. I agree, But if you

878
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: can't throw the ball the first that seems to be

879
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: one of the more important elements so creating second base.

880
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: So maybe there's a little bit of chuck knoblock here,

881
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: but consistent awful snapping.

882
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: Let's be fair. Let's be fair to the centers who

883
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: have had issues snapping the ball. If you or I

884
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: were if somebody snapped their fingers and we were suddenly

885
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: holding a football at the line of scrimmage and staring

886
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: at Albert Hainsworth right directly in front of us, looking

887
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: to disembowel us, maybe our snaps wouldn't be the best.

888
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: Ever. This is fair. This is fair. But again that's

889
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: part of the position. Part of it up for that

890
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: position if you can't get the ball to the quarterback. So, okay,

891
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: a clearly uncatchable ball ruled catchable. Mentioned this a little

892
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: bit earlier, versus the needless reverse field or backwards running

893
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: ending in a loss, possibly a killer play. So this

894
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: is basically we mentioned this earlier. Okay, it's the uncatchable ball.

895
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: Maybe it's ruled catchable. Maybe there's interference on the play

896
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: as well, versus just somebody out there. This is not

897
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: unlike the Pat Mahomes one we mentioned earlier, where somebody's

898
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: out there just trying to make a play and in

899
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: reality they end up making it.

900
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: I am also Tyreek Hill exactly exactly. Yeah, to me,

901
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: it's it's the second one. It is the reversible or

902
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: the irreversible but still reversed play.

903
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: The one that the one that makes this the situation

904
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: that makes this one the worst is when you only

905
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: need three yards totally, you only need three yards. It's

906
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: like a counter. The running back gets it, nowhere to go.

907
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: Instead of just trying to fall forward for yard and

908
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: a half and get to the next play, they instead

909
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: try to go full Barry Sanders to Saquon Barkley, reverse

910
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: the field. There's daylight on the other side of the field.

911
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: Never mind that everybody else is just as fast. We're

912
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: going to try for it anyway. And now suddenly it's

913
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: fourth and eighteen.

914
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: It's infuriating, and it'll happen a lot with a receiver

915
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: catching the ball with his back to a defense and

916
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: merely needs to turn around and fall forward. Yeah, or

917
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: merely needs to turn around and take two steps and

918
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: get out of for an easy routine first down. And

919
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: then they're trying to also be a Marii Cooper or yes,

920
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: it is a running back taking a sweep and there's

921
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: just nothing there. Take the two yard loss and move

922
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: on to second and twelve. Or the running back says, now,

923
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: let's see what's doing on the other side of the field.

924
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: Let's go, especially when you're you're playing against Georgia when

925
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: the far side outside linebacker is just staying home because

926
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: he's great and well coached and just sitting there waiting

927
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: for an eight yard loss. And suddenly it's second and sixteen,

928
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: and the calculus changes for no reason other than the

929
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: fact that this running back for South Carolina, this running

930
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: back for Delaware, this whoever, I don't know why I

931
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: lumped in South Carolina and Delaware, all due respect to

932
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: each of those programs, decided that like, no, they are

933
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Barry Sanders.

934
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: Three speed, baby, I got four free speed.

935
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Well, they a lot of it is like, well, this

936
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: worked in high school, so surely it's gonna work Sanford Stadium.

937
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, two more quick ones here. You put

938
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: shovel passes down.

939
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I just hate shovel passes.

940
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, shovel passes versus the improvised lateral on a long

941
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: touchdown run or interception return, Well.

942
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: I guess it wouldn't be a touchdown run. But on

943
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: a long run yeah, long run, long run. Okay, Well,

944
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: look it's the Reggie Bush rule. It's the both of

945
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: these just fall under the umbrella of needless danger to me,

946
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: where like shovel passes can work, but a lot of those,

947
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: like shovely screens, require letting in a defensive tackle or

948
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: two and just sort of pushing the ball underneath their

949
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: arms to an awaiting you know, receiver, tight end, running back, whoever,

950
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: and you're sort of throwing it also into the teeth

951
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage, and it just feels like

952
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: many more bad things can happen. The best of the

953
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: bad things is it's caught and the guy's immediately tackled

954
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: for no game. Now you can catch a defense off guard.

955
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: And sometimes sometimes when it works though it really works.

956
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: Of course. It's just there is so much that can

957
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: go wrong when you have a quarterback you do an

958
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: underhand flip where it suddenly just seems like they're throwing

959
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: a knuckleball that somebody who's used to catching a ball

960
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: thrown with a hard spiral like now needs to catch

961
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: like a soft efis and turn and run while they're

962
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the line of scrimmage, like while

963
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: they're in the middle of chaos. If you can do it, great,

964
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: I just never trust my team to pull it off.

965
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: So I hate it.

966
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: At least that's which you called play though that's true.

967
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: Improvised lateral I think is mine, just because more often

968
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: than not, the guy who's supposed to be receiving it

969
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: does not know it's about to come as well.

970
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm agreeing. I agree with you, especially because

971
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: if you're already having a plus moment with an interception. Yeah, like,

972
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, we just flipped the rhythm of this

973
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: game and we're gonna take it. We're not gonna score

974
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: on this return, but we're gonna grab a bunch of yardage.

975
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna flip the fields and what a what a

976
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: moment for our defense. And then that safety says one,

977
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: if we just keep it going, okay, One, if we

978
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: just this.

979
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of speaking of defensive backs, our final first

980
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: round matchup here, and I promise we will get through

981
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: this very quickly. Yeah, we've got the post first down

982
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 2: celebration by a defensive back. Yeah, versus the defensive back

983
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: missing one of those shoulder launch tackles instead of doing

984
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: the fundamental wrap up right. So, on one hand, God

985
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: just got a first down, but we're gonna celebrate anyway.

986
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: On the other, you should have just wrapped them up

987
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: and tackled him, but instead receiver bounces off. Yeah. You

988
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: try to spear him and he just bounces off you

989
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: like it's no big deal.

990
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: Right.

991
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: I think the celebration is the one that gets me.

992
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. One is annoying. One's infuriating, And so I

993
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: think this celebration one is more annoying because you could

994
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: be giving up a touchdown when you could have tackled

995
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: him for you know, an eight yard gain. So I'm

996
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna go with the annoying one because I feel like

997
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: it's more in the spirit of this.

998
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: All right, back to the top, Dan, It's gonna move quick.

999
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: Now, are you ready, lightning? Yep?

1000
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: The pointless drive extending penalty versus throwing short of.

1001
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: The sticks, uh, drive killing penalty?

1002
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 2: I agree. Then we've got the fourth down goal line phase.

1003
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: Drive extending excuse meade the.

1004
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: Goal line fade on fourth down versus trying to draw

1005
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: a team off sides. This is the fade, right.

1006
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: It's fade yep.

1007
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: And then we've got the pointless drive extending penalty versus

1008
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: the fourth down goal line fade penalty.

1009
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: To me, if this is a struggle for you, then

1010
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: you don't remember a recent instance in which a defensive

1011
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: lineman pointlessly shoved a quarterback after he threw it six

1012
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: yards over somebody's head.

1013
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go.

1014
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: For fifteen yards and the team scores.

1015
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 2: I'll go with the drive extending penalty. I affreiate that, yeah,

1016
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: all right. Next one for ADP versus the led light situation.

1017
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: For ADP, the lights blinking generally only happens after touchdowns

1018
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: are between like third and fourth quarter during like Dixie Land.

1019
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: A light four ADP is an entire game. I am snobby.

1020
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: I am used to my high resolution because it also

1021
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: generally is paired with dubious announcing, bad replay, and you

1022
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: just you can't see. And this is again, this is

1023
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: us being old. But if you pay for a good TV,

1024
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: you want the network to say congratulations on your TV.

1025
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: Here's a broadcast that fits in accordingly well.

1026
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: And the problem with for ITDP on a nice TV

1027
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: is that it almost makes it worse.

1028
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: Of course it does.

1029
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: You know, FORDYP on a thirty two inch TV is fine,

1030
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: but you blow that up to twice the size, you

1031
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: might as well listen to Morse code. You're not getting

1032
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: anything out of that broadcast. So I think it's FORDP.

1033
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: I think FORDYP is the winner here. I'm glad that

1034
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: we put the led lights situation through and called that

1035
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: out for what it is. But at the end of

1036
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: the day, you can watch the game. You just can't

1037
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: watch it well for ITYP boos through for.

1038
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: Me, I yeah, I mean I think there was a

1039
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: Seinfeld moment like this, But I think about like handing

1040
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: a marathon or hot soup. He or she is on

1041
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: mile eighteen dominating. You're like, look it, technically, yes, is

1042
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: fuel it technically yes, is a game, but this was

1043
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: meant for something greater.

1044
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: I agree, ok, this moment. Yeah, networks not showing an

1045
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: obvious replay versus rules analysts who hit.

1046
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: Obvious replay you think I do. Ultimately, you lose more

1047
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: from not seeing a moment than the rules analyst is

1048
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: holding on the actual game. I guess neither is mine.

1049
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree.

1050
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: But can't the same logic be applied to the rules

1051
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: analyst as the centers. The centers who infuriate you because

1052
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: it can't snap the ball isn't snapping the ball. Part

1053
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: of the job. Isn't taking a side on some of

1054
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: these key game points? Also part of the job for

1055
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: the rules analyst.

1056
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: No team has lost a game for a fan base

1057
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: because of a rules analyst being wrong or hedges.

1058
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: No team is lost because of not showing an obvious

1059
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: replay either.

1060
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: No, but that it I think it affects it. It

1061
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: more directly affects enjoyment when you don't know what happened,

1062
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: where whereas with a hedging personality, it's just sort of

1063
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: an annoying moment in time, but it doesn't affect the outcome,

1064
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: or it doesn't affect your appreciation for what's happening on

1065
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: the field. To me, all right, we'll.

1066
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: Go with the obvious replay because both of these bod

1067
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: These are both mine. Both of these were mine. They

1068
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: both bother me. I'm okay with either one. The rules

1069
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: of analysts who hedge is one of those things that

1070
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: may only interest me, that's okay, But okay, not showing

1071
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: the obvious replay, that's that's definitely in the conversation. So

1072
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: we'll put that one through. And that means it's for

1073
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: ADYP versus network's not showing an obvious replay. This is

1074
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: for ADP, right, for IDP.

1075
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

1076
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: Next one, players throwing punches at helmeted opponents versus the

1077
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: wriggle away. I think we go wriggle away here, don't.

1078
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to wriggle away.

1079
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. The wriggle away is so infuriating. Yeah, the midfield

1080
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: fourth and short punts and the announcers applauding it.

1081
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: Mm hm. This is this is a strong two continue.

1082
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: Versus the bizarre two point decision.

1083
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 1: Oh, the fourth down.

1084
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be fourth down, right.

1085
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it speaks to a philosophy, whereas I think weird.

1086
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: A weird fourth down play is weird, and maybe it's

1087
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: not called again and we just all agree to forget

1088
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: about it. But the experience of watching it and then

1089
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: having an announcer reinforce.

1090
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: The announce reinforcing it, cheering it on, is I think

1091
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: that's like, that's the kicker here.

1092
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

1093
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: We've got or maybe it was, We've got the wriggle

1094
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: away versus the fourth and short punt plus the announcer

1095
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: applauding it. Oh, this is tough. I think it's got

1096
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: to be the punt situation with the announcer cheering it on,

1097
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: don't you.

1098
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm good with that, Yeah, I think it's.

1099
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: Got to be the wriggle away deserves to be in

1100
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: this matchup, a very strong matchup, But I got I

1101
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: gotta go with the the midfield punt with the announcer

1102
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: kills me every time. All right, final bracket. Here the

1103
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: consistently awful snapping your number one overall seed versus the

1104
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: needless reversal of field or backwards running which ends up

1105
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: in a loss. Oh man, this is really tough for

1106
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: eventually a backbreaker. These are these were all of yours here?

1107
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So inconsistent snapping versus needless reversal of field. Yeah,

1108
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say snapping. I think real close. I think

1109
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: doubt gotta be snapping, right, Yeah. I love the specificity

1110
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: of the reversal of field though with this, Like, I

1111
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: feel like that was perfect. You know, I'm patting myself

1112
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: on the back. He'll try not to throw out my wrist. Well.

1113
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: Here here's the thing here, Here is why the inconsistent

1114
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: snapping needs to go through. Here. M hm. It needs

1115
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: to go through because sometimes when a player reverses field,

1116
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: it works, true, sometimes it works famously. Some of the

1117
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: best plays we've seen in the history of college football

1118
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: have come as a result of that decision. So they're

1119
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: not all bad. But the awful snapping thing, you know

1120
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: it when you see it, and it almost never works out.

1121
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: Well well, and it also doesn't like course correct over

1122
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: the course of a game.

1123
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: Exactly, and you can see it happening. I mean, anyone

1124
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: who watched any of the Alabama games last year right

1125
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: knows what happens. And it's like, you see this occurring

1126
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: time and again throughout the course of a game. More

1127
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: often than not it doesn't come back to bite you,

1128
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 2: but sometimes i e. Last play at the game two

1129
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: point conversion attempt, you just you can see that getting

1130
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: bigger in the window. Yeah, and it's that sort of

1131
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: feeling of impending doom that puts this one through for me.

1132
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm the same page, but yeah, it was tough

1133
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: for me.

1134
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: And the final one here is the improvised lateral on

1135
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: the long run or interception return versus the post first

1136
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: down defensive backs celebration. Well, improvising on.

1137
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: The same spirit though, but the improvised can work. You

1138
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: can have an improvise like hook and Laddert gets you

1139
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: more yardage, gets you significantly. More yardage gets you a

1140
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: touchdown like it can work.

1141
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: It has worked, So you want to put the defensive

1142
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 2: back celebration through.

1143
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to say a safety coming up and hitting

1144
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: a receiver who just caught a twenty four yard pass

1145
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: for a first time for a first down and having

1146
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: the dB jump up and celebrate his big tackle after

1147
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: a big offensive play.

1148
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

1149
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that fits it better for me because I

1150
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: don't think there's any positive from.

1151
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: That post first down Defensive back celebrations wasn't even going

1152
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 2: to be in this tournament. It went on an NC

1153
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: State like run. Yeah, make this depend the tournament. So

1154
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: I think it ends here though, because the dB celebration

1155
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: is going up against inconsistence.

1156
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1157
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: Snap, I have that moving forward, which means we've got

1158
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: our final four on this side of the bracket. I

1159
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: guess overall the Elite eight, we've got the pointless drive

1160
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: extending penalty versus four ADP broadcasts, and we've also got

1161
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: the fourth down punt situation at midfield with the announcers

1162
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: applauding it versus awful snapping. That's your leads on this side.

1163
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I have penalty killing drive stop over four ADP.

1164
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 1: You can still win games in four adp Your team

1165
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: can still win a game with like weird pixelated end zones.

1166
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: You can still win a game with the drive extending penalty.

1167
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 2: You can, but it does annoy the crap out of

1168
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: you as a fan.

1169
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: I think your eyes adjust, and I don't think the

1170
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: brain forgets a penalty killing or a penalty extending drive.

1171
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. What do you think between

1172
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: the midfield punt with the announcer applauding it versus the

1173
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: consistently awful snapping.

1174
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, one is rooted in broadcast. One is rooted in player.

1175
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: The fourth and short punt drives me up. I'm not

1176
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: even gonna say what I'm doing about the words of

1177
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: It drives me up a tree. When those guys applaud it,

1178
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 2: it's very infuriating. The awful snapping might be a little

1179
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: bit more innocuous.

1180
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: So if we're defining this by which makes our feel more,

1181
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: what gets our brain racing, my our hearts racing are whatever?

1182
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: I this one is tough, This is tough, This is

1183
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 2: a picka.

1184
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: What is the spirit of this game? I'm gonna say

1185
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: it's fourth down. I don't know. Maybe it's a personal thing.

1186
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: The combination of not giving an offense a chance to

1187
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: keep going and keep doing good things if they've gotten

1188
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: to midfield and it's fourth and short and then feel

1189
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: like you're being gas lit by the broadcast.

1190
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: Both see and that was gonna be my question, that

1191
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: gas lighting, which is a great way to put it.

1192
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1193
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: I if this were just a fourth down and short

1194
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: punt from midfield on its own, mm hmm, without the

1195
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: announcer chiming in, would this have gone as far?

1196
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: Probably not. It's that combination that one two, that.

1197
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: Combo specific combo. I think I agree with you.

1198
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: And there's something about the center not snapping it consistently

1199
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: well or consistently screwing it up, where there's at least

1200
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: something sympathetic about that, where usually this guy is fine,

1201
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason today he's just off and can't

1202
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: figure it out. If you remove your I, if you

1203
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: remove your fandom, then at least as a human you

1204
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: can say that sucks. I feel bad. Now, that's a

1205
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: big if. If you can fantas I have, I have

1206
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: some I have some moments where I'm not gonna remove

1207
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: my fandom, but at least that's a kid not being

1208
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: able to get through it. I'm gonna go with that's

1209
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more sympathetic. I'm gonna go with fourth

1210
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: and one, not going for an adult not going for it.

1211
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: Adults in the booth saying I love it. I love

1212
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: this punch choice.

1213
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: All right. So it's fourth and one on the fifty.

1214
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 2: I decide to punt it, and the announcers cheer on

1215
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: my decision versus the pointless drives standing penalty that is

1216
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 2: for the championship on our two sides of the bracket.

1217
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: So this is our national championship right now.

1218
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 2: This is just on our side of things. Now. We're hopeful,

1219
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: we're hopeful that the verballerhood will chime in with its

1220
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: two cents.

1221
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, this is this episode's championship.

1222
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and give us thirty two more items that we

1223
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: can roll with on our next episode. But on this

1224
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: side of the bracket, pointless drive extending penalty versus the

1225
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: midfield punt situation with the cheerful announcer, this is tough.

1226
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: This is really tough.

1227
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: Okay. So look, I could apply the same logic, you know,

1228
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: being sympathetic about the center to saying, you know, this

1229
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: d rusher shoving a quarterback and getting like a totally pointless. Yeah,

1230
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: roughing the passer is a just a youthful mistake and

1231
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: it won't happen again in that game. So it's not

1232
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: a consistent thing like the snap, and you know, maybe

1233
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: he'll get he'll get chewed out by a position coach

1234
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: or a head coach or something like that for a

1235
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: brutal mistake. That said, the visual of maybe not even

1236
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: seeing it happen, right, maybe you're you're really hoping, you're

1237
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: obviously really hoping when you're rooting for a defense that

1238
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: you're able to get a stop and get off the field.

1239
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: Third and sixteen. You're pumped that your team got to

1240
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: got this offense to a tough spot and all you

1241
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: see on TV is the bad throw and you don't

1242
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: actually see the shove. And then the announcer say, wait,

1243
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: looks like there's some laundry in the backfield. And it's

1244
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: the idea that this is bringing you down from a high.

1245
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: Can you give me a little mcdone A laundry in

1246
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 2: the backfield?

1247
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: Right right? It looks like there's a flag on the

1248
01:09:52,720 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: way that the process of excitement and then that blending

1249
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: into rage, I think penalty extending personal foul or a

1250
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: drive extending personal foul is the thing that defines my

1251
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: grievance with the sport, I really do. I think that's

1252
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: what I have. Moving on, what about you?

1253
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: I'm tempted to go forth in short on the punting situation,

1254
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: because you know, we we define this bracket as minor grievances,

1255
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: true minor A grievances, So minor grievances aren't necessarily things

1256
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: that cost a game. But in both cases now the

1257
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 2: items that have made it through can cost games. The

1258
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: drive extending penalty can cost a team of game a game. Conversely,

1259
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: being very risk averse and punting in a situation where

1260
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: you could go for it and probably make it eighty

1261
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: five percent of the time, that is all so another

1262
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: situation that can cost you a game. I think the

1263
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: added component of the announcer applauding it, the announcer cheering

1264
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: this on as if you should know this as you're

1265
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,839
Speaker 2: watching at home right. More often than not in the moment,

1266
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: these types of scenarios don't occur fourth quarter with two

1267
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: minutes left. They occur first quarter with like eight and

1268
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: a half minutes left. They occur in the first half

1269
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: when the game is tied at zero, and it doesn't

1270
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: seem like there's a whole lot on the line. Yeah,

1271
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: in every situation this is annoying. It is annoying, and

1272
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: probably more often than not, it does not come back

1273
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: to bite the offending team. But the fact that the

1274
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: announcer cheers it on and acts as if, hey, if

1275
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 2: you're watching at home, you should know this, that to me,

1276
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: I think puts this one over the top. Yeah.

1277
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: And it can happen multiple times. And I suppose a

1278
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: drive extending penalty can happen multiple times, but usually not

1279
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: with the same player, and usually not like in the

1280
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: same way. There is something about a team losing by

1281
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: four and then you go back and look at their

1282
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: drives and they kick it, they punt on fourth and

1283
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 1: two at you know, in plus territory on their opponents

1284
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: forty seven, or then they go for a field goal

1285
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 1: on you know, fourth and goal from the half inch line,

1286
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: and like there are there is that sort of aggregation

1287
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: of conservative thinking in big moments that can lose you

1288
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: a game.

1289
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think that's the thing here,

1290
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: you know, if we're trying to stay true to the

1291
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: roots of this whole concept, a drive extending penalty. You'll

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01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: throw the remote at the TV for that. Yeah, you

1293
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: probably aren't throwing the remote at the TV for the

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: fourth and short punt situation with the announcer applauding it.

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01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: But you are role right, you rise, And so I

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01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: think in that in that logic alone, I put through

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: the midfield punt with the announcer of claud Yeah.

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: It can aggregate over the course of a season, and

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01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of hopelessness you can feel if

1300
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: it's been happening for nine games in a row and

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: your head coach hasn't learned and you keep losing close

1302
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: or you keep having to win close in games that

1303
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: are freaking you out against bad teams. Like there's that

1304
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: lack of when the coach doesn't have confidence in an offense,

1305
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: it sort of it just brings everything down spirit wise.

1306
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: So I think I think I'm convinced. I think I'm convinced.

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: This might be the first time I've ever won an

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01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: argument against you.

1309
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: But I mean not an argument. Both of these were

1310
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: my items.

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01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 2: Debate A debate, A debate, Yeah, yeah.

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're good. I think I think you swayed

1313
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: me that there is that element of yeah, the broadcasters

1314
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: teaming up with it's like this old way of thinking.

1315
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: There are moments we're punting that makes sense from midfield

1316
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: once again. But yeah, that you feel like you're going

1317
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: crazy because you feel like your team should go for

1318
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: it on fourth and two from the thirty nine like

1319
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: the opponent's thirty nine.

1320
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, well, we have the best punter in

1322
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 1: the ACC. I'm like, well, cool, you're going to lose

1323
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: this game.

1324
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're also seven and five and going to the

1325
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 2: Moneikey Carcare Ball congratuate exactly right, Minikey Carcare not a sponsor.

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01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's those moments, right, You're losing winnable games

1327
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: when you start thinking field position unless you have no

1328
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: offense and the team you're playing against has no offense,

1329
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 1: and that will happen, especially in the Big Ten West

1330
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: whatever was the Big Ten West. But outside of that,

1331
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: I think you got to give yourself a shot, and

1332
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: there is that hopelessness that comes with like being a

1333
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: field position team.

1334
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: More often than not, the drive extending penalty is an

1335
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: active aggression. It's an act of aggression. This is just

1336
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 2: annoyingly passive, and that's what bothers me the most about it.

1337
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: All right, same page.

1338
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,839
Speaker 2: So you got our punts from midfield and the announcers

1339
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: applauding it are the fourth and short inconceivable punt with

1340
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: the announcer applauding it, making it through on our side

1341
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: of the college football minor grievances bracket. Yeah, which we're

1342
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: sort of medium grievance more than that. But yeah, soliverbal

1343
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,919
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com is the email. Send us your lists.

1344
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: I promise I will go through them, either via the

1345
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: email or across social media. Snail mail probably won't get

1346
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 2: here in time. Otherwise I would offer that up as

1347
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 2: a solution.

1348
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: But if you want ties address, just drop it in

1349
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: the mailbox.

1350
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: Drop it in the mailbox. Sure, yeah, just address it

1351
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: solid verbal. They'll know where to send it. No, yeah,

1352
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 2: right in. We want to get your options here. I'm

1353
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: sure there are many things that we left out. We

1354
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: will bracket them into a separate grouping of thirty two

1355
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: teams thirty two items. That is your homework assignment.

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised you didn't have an item

1357
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: that you came up with, which was like ten men

1358
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: on the field when your defense has a huge moment. Okay, okay,

1359
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: maybe that's two major.

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01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: Close to the bone, Dan, too close to the bone. Yeah,

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: all right, uh more to come on this front. In

1362
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 2: the spirit of March madness. Send in your thoughts for

1363
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: that guy way over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1364
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 2: for myself, Tie Hildebrand still here home based eastern Pennsylvania.

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01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,480
Speaker 2: We will talk to you all soon. Send us your suggestions.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, stay solid, please,