WEBVTT - Dynamite, Collision, and Filthy Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready, when you're ready, let's get it all.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going everybody? Bryan Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Our main man, Jim Valley, and we got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to get into here today, do we ever? Filthy Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Lawler is gonna be joining us in the next segment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't even know if he knows this or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's finding out right now. Mike simper Bb is

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<v Speaker 1>also joining us here today. It's gonna be a three

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<v Speaker 1>man booth brother and we're gonna talk about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff because I am doing this show and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to the airport because it is all in

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and as a result, we have a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. We've got the Dynamite Show tonight. Nine segments

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<v Speaker 1>announced for the show, and they got to announce a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff for Collision as well, because Collision is

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<v Speaker 1>also taping tonight. They're gonna do the Dynamite and Collision

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<v Speaker 1>taping and then everybody heads out to the UK on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we'll know a lot later on tonight. We've

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<v Speaker 1>also got more notes from Tony Kahn's media call and

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<v Speaker 1>Phoenix off the show, and he mentioned there could be more,

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<v Speaker 1>but right now it is just Ray Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 1>Jericho is going to be performing at the show, not

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<v Speaker 1>just in the ring but as a part of Fozzy

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Got notes on Brian Danielson and Darby Allen,

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<v Speaker 1>the raw rating from Monday which took a big hit,

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<v Speaker 1>and NFL preseason and and of course you know the

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<v Speaker 1>actual NFL season's coming, so be prepared for some changes

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of raw ratings. Bud the Ron SmackDown ratings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know for the overall on television still did very

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<v Speaker 1>very well. Give you notes on that, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>in the show, the world famous NXT TV report.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a big show. It was heat wave. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>say about that and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>And back in a moment to kick it off Observer Live. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back here on the show Bran Albarez here Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer Live. Mike simber VV also of a Wrestling Observer

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and yeah, we're all here today, simper vv filthy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a three man booth today.

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<v Speaker 4>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Some reason Tom is very low, I am very high

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<v Speaker 1>and uh Sumber of VVS right there in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we can get that fixed somehow he got

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<v Speaker 1>on like this maybe huh eh, hey, we'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Figure it out. Figure it out before tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's not I'll talk over each other with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Three is a crowd, yes, Tom?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do Why do I not get a website tag?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not filthy Tom Laller of Farmers Only dot com

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<v Speaker 2>or filthy Tom Waller.

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<v Speaker 5>Of I don't know, kink dot com. It could be anything. No,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't get talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get the the F four w online tag

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<v Speaker 2>behind my name?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you not proud?

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<v Speaker 3>Where's your name? I don't even know what you're talking about?

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<v Speaker 5>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>This is Brian Alvarez of Wrestling Observer dot com. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Mike sepper V also Wrestling Observer dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>This other bomb list eighty five promotions you're working for

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<v Speaker 1>right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Huh?

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<v Speaker 5>I could use the help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what do you want enemy, Well, listen, we got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to talk about here today, and tomorrow is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be you and Simpy alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, that's the plan. No, you're not gonna be here tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wait, I'll be here tomorrow. What day is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Today's Wednesday? You idiot?

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<v Speaker 1>You and tom tomorrow? Yeah, I'll be here and then

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<v Speaker 1>Tom's gonna go solo. And that's still the plan on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and he may even try to facilitate a guest mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Golly.

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<v Speaker 1>It just warms my heart when I can leave and

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<v Speaker 1>someone else can do what I'm supposed to do. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't screw this up for me, Tom, or are you tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 3>Simp?

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<v Speaker 5>Come on, I'm not planning on doing what you do, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna sit here and complain and badger the

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<v Speaker 2>other people on the show. I'm gonna put forth my

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<v Speaker 2>best effort and try to hold down the fort for

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<v Speaker 2>Mike while he's gone on Friday.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, please, don't do what I usually do, which is

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<v Speaker 4>sleep through the show and then I'm just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>left talking to Dom. Don't do that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna ask who can screwed up less, simper

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<v Speaker 1>viv or filthy. But I think even simper vv knows

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<v Speaker 1>what the answer.

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<v Speaker 5>Is to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Who can screw it up less? Jim Valley? Who can

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<v Speaker 4>screw it up less?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we got a couple of things here. Tonight

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<v Speaker 1>is Dynamite, which is where do we say it was tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>Dluth Georgia, Duluth, Georgia, Yes, where Dluth, Georgia Metropolis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be very interesting because it is a It

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<v Speaker 1>is a Dynamite and Collision taping.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll see how that goes tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, there's nothing better than having the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest show you've ever had on Sunday and then a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days prior you got to try to get

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in the building for a duel taping. That's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be fun. But we've got John Moxley and Ray Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 3>Which we'll talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>On the Collision Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks versus Juice Robinson

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<v Speaker 1>and the Guns, Sky Blue versus Ruby Soho Swerve An

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<v Speaker 1>Air Fox versus Darby and Nick Wayne, Ussie Open versus

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<v Speaker 1>The Hearty's for the Ring of Honor World Tag Team titles.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Perry says he will retire the FTW title. Renee

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<v Speaker 1>will speak to Adam Cole, Renee will speak to MJF,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jericho, and will Ospray Love a contract signing now. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Kahan talked about how there would be a change

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<v Speaker 1>in the card for All Out and perhaps more changes,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of those changes is Ray Phoenix. Ray Phoenix

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<v Speaker 1>his passport issues are not worked out to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where he can go on this trip, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>can't leave the country to go here. It was noted

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<v Speaker 1>that the reason he did not go to Triple Mania

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<v Speaker 1>and drop the Latin American title is for the same reason.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not clear when the promotion found out Phoenix

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<v Speaker 1>was not able to go. Obviously, when they put the

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<v Speaker 1>show together, this would have been within the last I

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<v Speaker 1>would say week. It was it was fairly recently that

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<v Speaker 1>that happened. He is still wrestling John Moxley tonight. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it says in checking on potential replacements, Bandido was.

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<v Speaker 3>Touch and go, wanted to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>He just got the pin removed from his wrist yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be early but not impossible. Mckingo pulled

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<v Speaker 1>out of GCW dates this weekend. The match was scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>to be Phoenix, Eddie Kingston, Penta, Orange, Cassidy, Trent, and

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck against Moxley, Claudio Wheeler and three Mystery Partners.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Changing, and I believe it is it gonna end up

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<v Speaker 1>being a singular five on five match, not six on six.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know who's in and who's out other

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<v Speaker 1>than Phoenix, So that is at least one change for

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<v Speaker 1>the show coming up on Sunday. Hopefully Phoenix gets it

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<v Speaker 1>all figured out quickly so we can travel and.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian, I believe that would be the unplanned change and

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Kahn said they were planned changes as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So well things, yeah, But I mean what he could

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<v Speaker 1>mean by a plan changes if we have two mystery partners,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever they are, is a plan to change, although maybe

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<v Speaker 1>adding Mystery Partners is not a change, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to be, you know, people added to

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<v Speaker 1>the show is what he's talking about that you're not expecting,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think he was talking about other people

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<v Speaker 1>being pulled, but I could be wrong. But that's the

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<v Speaker 1>update on Phoenix, and then Jericho will be doing a

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<v Speaker 1>live performance. He and the rest of Fozzy, since people

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<v Speaker 1>were asking, will be performing Judas Live. So he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to sing his way to the ring for a match

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<v Speaker 1>with will Ospray. Yes, for the first time ever, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to be playing Judas Live for you

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<v Speaker 1>and Wembley at all.

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<v Speaker 4>In he'll be able to say now for decades after

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<v Speaker 4>this that Fozzy played in front of ninety thousand people

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<v Speaker 4>at Wembley Stadium. Oh yeah, we else can say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for him. He should got to take credit for

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I may even record a show so I can say

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<v Speaker 1>that I recorded a show in front of ninety thousand people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Wimbley Stadium. That's my plan.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a couple of other notes. We'll do some

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<v Speaker 1>interview comments you'ly, Hey, you guys both watch NXT by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Yes, yeah, yes, what's so funny, Mike?

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't sure if you were going to say. I've

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<v Speaker 4>given you guys some sending you guys some C cards

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to all recite the five way in

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<v Speaker 4>the ring between all of the women.

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<v Speaker 3>God forbid.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, listen, I know that some of you here, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that some of you here really don't like to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about NXT. Okay, but you know my job is

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<v Speaker 1>my job is to watch everything, and I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you if you don't watch the show, what you should

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe should not watch. And I want everybody within

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<v Speaker 1>the sound of my voice, all of you on the

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<v Speaker 1>chat right now, they're going, ugh whatever, go watch Ilia

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<v Speaker 1>Draganov versus Trick Williams. Dude, this match was flat out awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the best match that Trick Williams has had.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro Listen, I don't know if we have multiple lives,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we come back, but there has

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<v Speaker 1>never been a greater moment in any of Trick Williams'

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<v Speaker 1>lives better than that match with Ilia Dragonov. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the best match he's had by multitudes. I mean whatever

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<v Speaker 1>his previous best match was, this was no joke, like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty times better. And he'll tell you the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>it was. You know, like sometimes you see a guy

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<v Speaker 1>face is she e, and it's like it's just this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's gonna do is He's gonna do the she match,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just blows you away how awesome this match is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what this I was. I was like, like I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that Ilia Dragonov was great. Okay, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>all do. But I'm telling you here last night, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not today, maybe not this weekend, last night, the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>worker on this planet was Ilia Dragonov.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, am I wrong? Am I wrong? Mike?

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<v Speaker 4>You're not wrong, Okay wrong. But look, it's like when

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<v Speaker 4>Okada was facing evil and he made all of that

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<v Speaker 4>House of torture stuff palatable in the moment because you

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<v Speaker 4>were fighting alongside Okada. That's what Dragonov is doing. That's

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<v Speaker 4>how good he is. Trick Williams great prospect, but look,

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<v Speaker 4>Ilia Dragonov's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course it was all Ilia Dragonov. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we just saw Trick Williams match like two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago with a Gulak and that guy looked like

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<v Speaker 1>he'd had about three matches and looked totally green. You

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<v Speaker 1>put him in there with Dragonov and like, oh, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>if that would have been like a Tiffany Stratton match,

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<v Speaker 1>people would say she was the best women's worker in

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<v Speaker 1>the business right now, because it's you know, Timmy's standing and.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not gonna give you time to screw up or

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<v Speaker 4>time to have big air to make mistakes or anything

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I could be wrong, Tom, what'd you think of

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<v Speaker 1>this match? As is a seasoned worker?

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<v Speaker 2>I love?

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<v Speaker 3>Is he not the.

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<v Speaker 2>Greatest any man that can win a fight with a

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<v Speaker 2>second rope h bomb leaping off like Dad Henderson back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day.

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<v Speaker 5>What a finishing move, What a match? What a wrestler?

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<v Speaker 3>Stand by everybody back in a moment? Observer Live, I

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<v Speaker 3>got the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Bright Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Nimber of

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<v Speaker 1>VB also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Filthy Tom Lawler, also

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<v Speaker 1>of a Wrestling Observer dot Com filling host, filling host.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy man, these people hate NXT on the chat, where's

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<v Speaker 1>the OEW report? Did I miss Ohio Valley being on

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<v Speaker 1>national television being number one on cable on Wednesday a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I did. I don't think I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is about to pop up on Netflix exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's funny is when when I did get DBDs

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<v Speaker 1>from Ohio Valley when it was WWE developmental, I did

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<v Speaker 1>reviewed every week because it was important and it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was good, and there was a lot of good

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<v Speaker 1>on NXT last night. But we'll get to that later.

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<v Speaker 1>Raw Raw Show on Monday, Yikes, one point five to

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<v Speaker 1>nine million viewers and a point five eighteen to forty

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<v Speaker 1>Lois Sin's football season ended. I should tell you something.

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<v Speaker 1>NFL preseason was the main reason a big drop in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen to thirty four from last week. So they're all

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<v Speaker 1>going to start watching football now, So usually they don't

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<v Speaker 1>take a hit until the regular season begins, but they

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<v Speaker 1>did here. We got a one point six to five

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<v Speaker 1>million first hour, one point six to seven million second hour,

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<v Speaker 1>at a one point four to six million third hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Been a long time since we were in the one

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<v Speaker 1>point fours. But the two major WWE programs did do

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<v Speaker 1>strong numbers for the week of August fourteenth through twentieth.

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<v Speaker 1>SmackDown with the twenty fifth anniversary celebration of Edge, was

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<v Speaker 1>fourth among network TV shows all week long. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>to forty nine. The only shows that beat SmackDown all

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<v Speaker 1>week on any channel were three episodes of Big Brother

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<v Speaker 1>People sure like they're Big Brothers and then We're going Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>says there. SmackDown shot at being number one for all

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<v Speaker 1>of television on any television network for the week will

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<v Speaker 1>end during football season. Well that's true. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that they're going to beat the NFL.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, that's for everybody internationally sick of ratings.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going to be sick of hearing about ratings

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<v Speaker 4>and ratings getting hurt by the other thing that you love,

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<v Speaker 4>which is American Professional football.

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<v Speaker 1>Raw was first on cable last week, and RAW did

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<v Speaker 1>beat a number of NFL preseason games. They beat Saturday's

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<v Speaker 1>UFC pay per view prelimbs with the return of Chris Weidman.

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<v Speaker 1>Dynamite was thirteenth. Can he stop returning on cable? You

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<v Speaker 1>know there's a lot of guys that should stop returning.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's MMA bro. Although hey, Tom, I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>know you might see some what I'm talking about some cheddar.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of this whole thing, Tom Well?

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<v Speaker 3>UFC lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's it's a very good sign for the

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<v Speaker 2>over twelve hundred fighters that have been certified as a class.

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<v Speaker 2>That Judge Bullwear seems to want to rush this thing

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<v Speaker 2>to the jury, and I, like a lot of other people,

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<v Speaker 2>believe that a jury would be sympathetic to the fighters.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that it's being asked for eight hundred million

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<v Speaker 2>in damages which could actually go up to triple based

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<v Speaker 2>on some sort of metrics. So I did the math,

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<v Speaker 2>and I you know my name, best case scenario, I

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<v Speaker 2>could be looking at over one hundred grand here. I

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<v Speaker 2>would think I can't imagine that I would get anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>near that, but I would love it, believe me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it will behoove TKO to settle this out

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<v Speaker 2>of court, because I do think that the longer it

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<v Speaker 2>goes on, and if it goes to a jury, that

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<v Speaker 2>opens them up a lot to more lawsuits in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>They're already gonna have to deal with this lawsuit continuing

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<v Speaker 2>on in the form of Cajun Johnson and whatever other

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<v Speaker 2>plaintiffs are with him since the twenty seventeen class of

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<v Speaker 2>fighters has yet to be certified. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of problems for WWE and UFC when it comes to this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm hoping they realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>And pad My Pockets, well, I guess the question is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a million questions, but like, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how they would figure out who gets what, like I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it for him, and like how many how many

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<v Speaker 1>fights did you have?

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<v Speaker 3>Where were you on the card?

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<v Speaker 1>Would they like split it equally, so you and Conor

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<v Speaker 1>McGregor would get the same or work.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that one of the points of the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the points of contention, is that they artificially

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<v Speaker 2>kept down the purses of the fighters through restrictive contracts

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<v Speaker 2>and free agency and those sort of things. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would believe would be based upon how many fights you

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<v Speaker 2>would have in that time And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to take the time to look at everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>career individually, but I would have to think that myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Who I think I have seven fights in this time

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<v Speaker 2>period in the UFC, I've got to think I would

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<v Speaker 2>get a bigger payout than you know, somebody who had

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<v Speaker 2>one fight in the same time period. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what's interesting is if this does go

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<v Speaker 1>to trial, then then there will be a jury, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and the question will be what is the actual jury

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<v Speaker 1>thing as opposed to like with this judge things, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, apparently obviously one of the things with a

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<v Speaker 1>with a monopoly and such is you know, did did

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<v Speaker 1>were they number one because of restrictive practices or were

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<v Speaker 1>they number one because they actually were just better than

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else. And uh, and you know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to bear anybody, but I watched a lot of M

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<v Speaker 1>M A back in the day. I saw a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of promotions come and go. Remember a Yama Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what it was?

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<v Speaker 4>Yama?

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<v Speaker 2>And Dog, yeah, bow dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And all these The fact of the matter is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>UFC got to where it was because they actually were

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<v Speaker 1>significantly better than everybody else who was trying this.

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<v Speaker 3>But this judge is like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see to you reason they were any better

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<v Speaker 1>than anybody else. So that's his opinion obviously, But like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like how do you how do you

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<v Speaker 1>how do they determine this? Like you get just find

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<v Speaker 1>twelve randos? Or are they gonna like you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>subpoena Dave and just go Was this UFC really as

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<v Speaker 1>good as everybody else?

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<v Speaker 3>Or was it way better? I don't know how they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea, the idea that UFC and and Bellatore

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<v Speaker 1>and Yama and all of these really we're just doing

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing and none of them really did

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<v Speaker 1>it any better than anyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>WEC was doing pretty well and then they got snatched up.

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<v Speaker 2>Strike Force was doing pretty well and then they got

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<v Speaker 2>snatched up. And there's gonna be a lot of stuff, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't know about yet that's getting unseen.

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<v Speaker 3>There will be a lot of uner.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to talk about this unsealed information. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to see what comes out. You're getting, Yes, because Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>I've lived through it. I understand saying excited that go on.

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<v Speaker 5>I know how some of this stuff works, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>And if if the emails get out, you're gonna find

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<v Speaker 2>out stuff about them, you know, screwing around with people's medicals,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's tons of stuff that goes on behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes and under the table that that needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>on you.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever thought of writing a book, Tom, because man,

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<v Speaker 1>you get all this information, you were there. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you could you could document this for U into perpetuity here.

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<v Speaker 3>No maybe not? Okay, I'll do it then, just giving

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<v Speaker 3>you the first dibbs. But if you don't want it,

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably like it right, Huh, you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Gonna write it without me. You're gonna write a story

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<v Speaker 5>about me without me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. You didn't seem excited about the idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Charles Bark. You can write Tom's biography for him,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he can say that he was misquoted in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't Ken Shamrock have too.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gotta be you gotta write your autobiography. Biographer's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be an autobiography. And then you say you were misquoted.

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<v Speaker 1>I misquoted myself.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And does he disagree with both?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know you ever thought about writing an autobiography, Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian, move on?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you secretly have a book deal you're not

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<v Speaker 1>telling me about? And I'm now just explaining to the

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<v Speaker 1>entire world what's going on here. I'm trying to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with ideas for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when you asked me to do at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, you wanted some sort of tagline under

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<v Speaker 1>your name, best selling author filthy Tom Lawler, how about that,

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Lee, I wrote a book. It's really horrible time

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, but I did it. Okay, what else

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<v Speaker 1>do we have here?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is the exact opposite of a boll

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<v Speaker 1>filthy Here, Brian Danielson is keeping a positive attitude despite

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<v Speaker 1>the injury he suffered at Forbidden Door two started a

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<v Speaker 1>broken arm in his match with Okada expected to be

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<v Speaker 1>out of action till October. Is gonna miss all in.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on his own wife's podcast and said he

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<v Speaker 1>wished he hadn't broken his arm. See he's a man

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<v Speaker 1>of facts, this Brian Danielson. But he has grown an

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<v Speaker 1>appreciation for the match that they had. I wrestled ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes with a broken arm. Doctors said that made it worse,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, but I find a certain joy in doing

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<v Speaker 1>things that are hard, in finishing them. Even though it

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<v Speaker 1>probably caused me a little bit more damage, I got

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<v Speaker 1>more value out of it given that had happened versus

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<v Speaker 1>head had not happened. He has a gratitude journal, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's keeping a positive attitude.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got the same pair of genes that he got

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<v Speaker 4>like ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't hey, so do I.

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<v Speaker 4>Of value right there?

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody in this Blackpool Combat Club is off the rocker.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it's the Blackpool Combat Club. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>you get in.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have that mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, what are you saying about old Wheeler? Something you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to tell us about Wheeler?

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<v Speaker 5>You ever met him?

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<v Speaker 2>I've hung out with him plenty of times.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a creep.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a creep what's so creepy about old Wheeler Uda?

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<v Speaker 1>Aside from the fact that he called himself Wheeler.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had a choice at one point during his career,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the choice he made.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It is reminds me of what I once spent a

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<v Speaker 1>long time making fun of Bobby Fish's name. I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you had all these choices, you could have named yourself anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and you decided you were gonna call yourself Bobby Fish.

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<v Speaker 3>And I found out that's his name. Kind of felt

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<v Speaker 3>bad about that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I can I can tell you right now that Wheeler

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<v Speaker 2>UDA's name is not either Wheeler nor Udah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>However, it is better than is given.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in a moment Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>In the show Bright Now where is here Wrestling Observer

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<v Speaker 1>Live except for BB also.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrestling Observer dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>During that Kurt discussion that we had in the previous

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<v Speaker 1>segment about names and no Wheeler Udah, Tom had mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>to me before that Wheeler Utah was not his real

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<v Speaker 1>name and uh and it's it's uh. I was camping

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend and I was up on the the uh

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<v Speaker 1>the San Juan Islands, and I was unaware that I

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<v Speaker 1>had free roaming in Canada, so I like, I was

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<v Speaker 1>getting no messages until the last day I figured out

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<v Speaker 1>I could actually get messages and internet for free. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so I uh, you know, I woke up one morning

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<v Speaker 1>and then we drove into town and and also all

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<v Speaker 1>my you know, messages and emails start flying in as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as we get US service, and uh, and I

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<v Speaker 1>start seeing all these these messages about about uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole situation with Cash Wheeler, and uh, It's still early

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. I haven't had my five hour energy

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. So I'm looking at these and I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading about it, and I'm like, what in God's name.

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<v Speaker 3>Did Wheeler you to do?

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<v Speaker 1>And for like five minutes I had in my head

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<v Speaker 1>that it was Wheeler you to that that I'm just thinking, like, man, Wheeler,

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<v Speaker 1>you got that man on the freeway about what he

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<v Speaker 1>really is?

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<v Speaker 4>A shooter?

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh, you know, I'm and then I start, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I start reading. I started clicking on news articles and

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<v Speaker 1>then uh, and then the first one that I read says, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it says some like ae W professional wrestler Daniel Wheeler,

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<v Speaker 1>and it goes on for the rest of it and

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as I read that, I I harkened back

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<v Speaker 1>to Tom and I was like, wait a second, his

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<v Speaker 1>name isn't Daniel Wheeler. And then there's that moment where

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<v Speaker 1>your head kind of goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's Cash not Wheeler.

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<v Speaker 4>Dah. Now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it didn't make sense, but like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those moments where like this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like Wheeler, you dah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know, they're just weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Why does Why did he decide to go with the

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<v Speaker 4>all caps? Uda? You think you think he was just

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<v Speaker 4>really inspired by like Akira in Japan or Kusheta or

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, where it was like, not only am

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<v Speaker 4>I gonna be Wheeler, but it's gonna be you dah

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<v Speaker 4>all caps when I come out one day, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be like Elvis in sixty eight. It's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 4>big dah lined up behind him and I'm gonna come out.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think he was thinking, filthy? Did you

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<v Speaker 4>decide at any point did you think I'm gonna like.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a fan of Walter?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what he looked at a Walter and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remind myself of that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Big Van Walter, Big Walter.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, by the way, uh for W online dot com

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<v Speaker 1>for W online dot com max slash w Q. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where you can grab your copy of Wrestle Quest, which

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<v Speaker 1>in fact stars myself, Dave Meltzer and Big Vinnie V.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you got your copy yet? Put that up there?

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<v Speaker 3>Put that thing on the screen. Look at that. We

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<v Speaker 3>even got a graphic.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, there's the Legion of Doom and Sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>Slaughter and Andre the Giant and Jake the Snake and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that guy is front and center?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the guy right in the middle that guy? Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is this?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you look at that on the big screen

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<v Speaker 3>right here?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Mike, I got a question for you. What you've

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<v Speaker 2>been playing New Japan, the award winning New Japan Strong

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<v Speaker 2>Spirits Collection app? Have you ever pulled a Brian Alvarez card.

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<v Speaker 4>I have not pulled a Brian Alvarez card.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you know, I didn't know you had to be

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<v Speaker 3>so jealous.

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<v Speaker 4>Filthy lawler card.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, so Brian is not the first member of

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<v Speaker 2>this show also hitting tomorrow. To give a shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to th HQ Nordic, The ae W Stadium Stampede Downloade

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<v Speaker 2>will be available for free to all customers of AW

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<v Speaker 2>Fight Forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, new game mode hitting tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>We speaking of games, we had a great edition of

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>n XT last night. We had Trick Williams only Draganov.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you about this, just absolutely fantastic and uh

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<v Speaker 1>Elia killed him. They got a standing ovation afterwards. The

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>place was just going crazy for this match. They had

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<v Speaker 1>one nearfall where Trick gave him a middle rope urinage

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and Elia kicked out at two point nine to ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and my god, these people are so angry. They thought

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that was a finish. They thought that he pinned Elia Dragonov,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did not. He won and it was great.

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<v Speaker 4>Hold on Brian because I got a because Tom brought

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 4>up the card game here and I know the NXT

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<v Speaker 4>review is very important, but I have no idea why

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<v Speaker 4>when they decide to release the new cards, why Jr

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Crados Jr Crados gets the card and talks about watching

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 4>Team Filthy. Why is it not Tom talking about Team Filthy?

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, dude, don't look at means.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jrrados independent show now available on New Japanworld

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<v Speaker 1>dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch myself and Team Filthy hoofs some ass.

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<v Speaker 4>Whoa and he punched the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we had Ivy, Nile and Ava in a singles

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>match which actually ended up fine.

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 3>It was just a simple match.

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<v Speaker 1>Ava slammed her a few times, Ivy submitted her and

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>then after beating her clean, Ivy puts the hold on again.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 3>This gives them geeks hit the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Ava flees and then on the exact same show, Ivy

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<v Speaker 1>goes into the woods and she says, or Ava goes

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the woods. She goes, Ivy or nothing but a coward.

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>You won't show up and face me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, am I in the twilight zone?

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Like she just beat you via submission clean in the

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>middle and was beating you up afterwards. Now you're in

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>the woods calling her out.

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<v Speaker 3>But it made sense later I guess we got better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Then we had another excellent match no Am dhar

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and Nathan Frazier for the Heritage Cup. These guys are

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<v Speaker 1>great and the one complaint I have about these Heritage

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Cup matches, I actually like the matches. The rules are

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<v Speaker 1>simple enough. They keep the action going. It's easy to

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>tell a story. But God two commercial breaks, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>of the five falls, we only saw three falls because

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.479
<v Speaker 1>two of the falls were completely during a commercial break.

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>So no Am Dar ended up winning the cup back

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>after avoiding a Phoenix splash and hitting an in zigiri

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<v Speaker 1>and that warmed my heart?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you add falls to this match?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm talking about rounds. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>There were there were falls, yes, but there.

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<v Speaker 1>Were five rounds and I think we saw three.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the rounds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm confused about is today they announced

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<v Speaker 2>a heritage tournament, tournament with different rules than.

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<v Speaker 3>I can get to those later.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote him down, But then Tiffany came out to

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<v Speaker 1>cut a promo.

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<v Speaker 3>This was straight out of the main roster.

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Gig came out, and then Keana came out, Blair came out,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Roxane came out. They all have a four way next

0:31:58.600 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>week and the winner gets.

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<v Speaker 4>To the dialogue. Wow, oh, the dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta learn somewhere, right, And apparently they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>an improv class.

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<v Speaker 4>No need to learn something. Look at Tiffany Stratton, Gigi.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't we've heard these women speak on NXT before when

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 4>they got there. We've heard some of them speak while

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 4>they were on the indies. They are giving them way

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<v Speaker 4>too much and not letting some of the natural bitchiness

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 4>and cattiness come out of them. They're scripting everything rug

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<v Speaker 4>that nothing works. It's true what I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's yelled at you for that one before.

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<v Speaker 1>We had Ave in the woods and this cowardly Ivy

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<v Speaker 1>showed up. Boys get her and they unmask and their

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the Creeds. Ivy beats up Ava and then the Creeds

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>who are they lost a loser Leaves Town match. They

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>signed their own match. We're gonna have another match next

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.479
<v Speaker 1>week if we can just hang out from now on.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the Diad and Joe Gaze.

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<v Speaker 4>There are the cops that rolled up on Tony DiAngelo.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry to think it was because he was Italian.

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<v Speaker 4>There have two dudes and another lady who just kidnapped

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<v Speaker 4>a woman in the woods and now they're making demands.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they kidnapped. Going on, I think i'd

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<v Speaker 1>just beat her up, just threw into leaves, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big pile. Yeah, we had the metaphor announcement and then

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<v Speaker 1>no Am Dar notes I don't have to defend the

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<v Speaker 1>Cup for five weeks. So ladies and all mensa, let's

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>go to California. So we have We're gonna have five

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>weeks of skits of metaphor in California, I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>So wow, that sounds like a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll go to Disneyland. Can you imagine no Am

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<v Speaker 1>dar on like the rides.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we're gonna get them in a nice truck like

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<v Speaker 2>Nakamura and Boogs or around the California Highway together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this guy's making fun of hbk Ford being Booker

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year. If you don't, you guys, don't think

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that he's going to place, you know, all right in

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Booker of the Year, think again, because he's been doing

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<v Speaker 1>a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to be right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. If you watched the show, actually we had

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Dragon Lee and Lyra versus Dom and Rhea. It's a

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty good match and the finish was kind of stupid.

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 1>It was one of those w WE things. Raquel comes

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<v Speaker 1>out and she attacks Riha at ringside, and like when

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Ria Ripley showed up from the main roster, the building

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>just absolutely explodes and so they're going crazy. She's beating

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the heck out of Ria Ripley at ringside, and this

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>referee has to pretend he didn't see anything. And then

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>dom goes running, Lee gives him the destino and pins him,

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>so it looks like Dragon Lee will be getting another

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 1>shot at Dominic mysterio. We had another deal where Trick

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and Mellow or not the best time together, but they

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 1>got back on the same page. And then supposed to

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>be Baron Corner, Baron Corbin and Von Wagner, but Baron

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Corbin attacks him at the bell. They're brawling all over

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 1>the place, actually a good brawl, and then Corbyn gives

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>him a back suplex on the floor which looks like sucked.

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>He goes after mister Stone. Wagner makes the save and

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.359
<v Speaker 1>he starts clearing off the table because his gimmick, because

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 1>he puts dudes through the table, and all of a sudden,

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 1>from out of nowhere, Bron Breaker flies in and he

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:39.240
<v Speaker 1>speared Von Wagner. I think to California, like metaphor maybe

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>in California, and they find Von Wagner like his body

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>like the wiley coyote in the side of a cliff.

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<v Speaker 1>Bron speared this guy so hard. I thought he killed him,

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and then him and Corbyn smiled and laughed. I guess

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna maybe have a three way or something.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know.

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I guess his shirt was right then? Right? You

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 4>notice that shirt he got on?

0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>What did it say this week?

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<v Speaker 4>Bron Breaker best spear in the business.

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, find me a better spear than bron Breakers.

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<v Speaker 4>Is he talking to Goldberg? Brian?

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't.

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.919
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine Goldberg comes in for an NXT match

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>with bron Breaker. I suppose anything as possible. In fact, funny,

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I should mention that Becky Lynch is teasing coming to

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>NXT because they really want to beat Dynamite in some

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>of these demos, So she's gonna come and face Tiffany apparently.

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And then the main event was Carmelo, Hayes and Wes Lee.

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Didn't get as much time as I thought, but they

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.760
<v Speaker 1>had a very good match because they're both quite great.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>And finally Carmelo did this springboard into a DDT, putting

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>West through a table outside, which was awesome, and they

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>get back in the ring. Carmelo rolls outside after getting

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>hit with the cardiac kick. West tries a topay, he

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>misses and he spears his own head into the barricade.

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I thought he was dead.

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 1>And he gets back into the ring and Carmelo hits

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the nothing but net gets the pin and a good match.

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<v Speaker 1>Carmelo Hayes retains the title.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything else you'd like?

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:02.439
<v Speaker 5>Dad?

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>You guys?

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 3>No good, Tom? What did you think of the show?

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>A couple of good matches on it? I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how can you not enjoy it? With that

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<v Speaker 2>oh You're Dragon off performance? And then wes Lee and

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<v Speaker 2>Carmelo Hayes. I thought they did great in the main event,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously to blue chip prospects that the WWE has down

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<v Speaker 2>here in NXT, and you know, I think wes Lee

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<v Speaker 2>and they say it on commentary for a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>was not supposed to be in this spot, looks great.

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<v Speaker 4>Bag them on with more.

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<v Speaker 3>Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the show right Nowver is here Wrestling Observer Live,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Sepper, Baby Filthy, Tom Lawler also Wrestling Observer dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all here, but I am on my way out,

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<v Speaker 1>so goodbye everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Boss Man don Voyage.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hidding to green Land. Apparently I fly over a

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<v Speaker 1>green Land and I go down into the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very snowy up there. I don't know why they

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<v Speaker 4>call it Greenland.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then ice Land is all green and sunny.

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<v Speaker 3>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think someone got confused somewhere. I think it's time

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<v Speaker 1>we changed the names of those countries.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. I mean we did get named after Amerigo Vespucci.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah right, and there's a lot of discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>We were named after the North Amerigo Vespucci.

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<v Speaker 4>Amerago and Vespucci got it right. Columbus didn't do anything,

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<v Speaker 4>he got lost, ended up in a place. Vespucci was

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<v Speaker 4>the one he should have been.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what these people need is a history lesson

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<v Speaker 1>from YouTube numb skulls.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly a little Tomorrow it's education degree, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Things change, brother, I mean I could have got an

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<v Speaker 1>astronomy degree. It doesn't mean the Pluto is still a planet.

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<v Speaker 1>Things change, We learn new things. We're here to learn

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<v Speaker 1>Tom learn Tomorrow. It is Tom and.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll be together and then uh, and then Tom's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be here on Friday, and Dave and I are planning

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<v Speaker 1>on doing a lot of shows from the UK. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a subscriber to Wrestling Observer dot com, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not disappearing I'll be back probably tomorrow, or however it

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<v Speaker 1>works with when you go back and.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe going back in time.

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<v Speaker 1>According to hul Cogan, I'm not quite sure. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going forward in time. I think I'm time traveling forward.

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<v Speaker 1>You are, okay, but then I'll time travel back on

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<v Speaker 1>the way back, right, So I'll get next hera day.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me know what Notre Dame One's buy on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Please all right, while we're out of here, Thanks for listening, everybody.

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