Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: How's it going everybody? Bryan Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: Our main man, Jim Valley, and we got a lot
Speaker 1: to get into here today, do we ever? Filthy Tom
Speaker 1: Lawler is gonna be joining us in the next segment,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if he knows this or not,
Speaker 1: but he's finding out right now. Mike simper Bb is
Speaker 1: also joining us here today. It's gonna be a three
Speaker 1: man booth brother and we're gonna talk about a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff because I am doing this show and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to the airport because it is all in
Speaker 1: weekend and as a result, we have a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about. We've got the Dynamite Show tonight. Nine segments
Speaker 1: announced for the show, and they got to announce a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff for Collision as well, because Collision is
Speaker 1: also taping tonight. They're gonna do the Dynamite and Collision
Speaker 1: taping and then everybody heads out to the UK on Thursday,
Speaker 1: and so we'll know a lot later on tonight. We've
Speaker 1: also got more notes from Tony Kahn's media call and
Speaker 1: Phoenix off the show, and he mentioned there could be more,
Speaker 1: but right now it is just Ray Phoenix.
Speaker 3: We'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Jericho is going to be performing at the show, not
Speaker 1: just in the ring but as a part of Fozzy
Speaker 1: as well. Got notes on Brian Danielson and Darby Allen,
Speaker 1: the raw rating from Monday which took a big hit,
Speaker 1: and NFL preseason and and of course you know the
Speaker 1: actual NFL season's coming, so be prepared for some changes
Speaker 1: in terms of raw ratings. Bud the Ron SmackDown ratings,
Speaker 1: you know for the overall on television still did very
Speaker 1: very well. Give you notes on that, and of course
Speaker 1: in the show, the world famous NXT TV report.
Speaker 3: It was a big show. It was heat wave. I'll
Speaker 3: say about that and so much more.
Speaker 1: And back in a moment to kick it off Observer Live. Well,
Speaker 1: we're back here on the show Bran Albarez here Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer Live. Mike simber VV also of a Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: dot com and yeah, we're all here today, simper vv filthy.
Speaker 1: It's a three man booth today.
Speaker 4: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Some reason Tom is very low, I am very high
Speaker 1: and uh Sumber of VVS right there in the middle.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we can get that fixed somehow he got
Speaker 1: on like this maybe huh eh, hey, we'll.
Speaker 4: Figure it out. Figure it out before tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Now, let's not I'll talk over each other with this.
Speaker 1: Three is a crowd, yes, Tom?
Speaker 2: Why do Why do I not get a website tag?
Speaker 2: It's not filthy Tom Laller of Farmers Only dot com
Speaker 2: or filthy Tom Waller.
Speaker 5: Of I don't know, kink dot com. It could be anything. No,
Speaker 5: I don't get talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't get the the F four w online tag
Speaker 2: behind my name?
Speaker 5: Are you not proud?
Speaker 3: Where's your name? I don't even know what you're talking about?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: This is Brian Alvarez of Wrestling Observer dot com. This
Speaker 2: is Mike sepper V also Wrestling Observer dot com.
Speaker 1: This other bomb list eighty five promotions you're working for
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 5: I could use the help.
Speaker 1: Yes, what do you want enemy, Well, listen, we got
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about here today, and tomorrow is
Speaker 1: gonna be you and Simpy alone.
Speaker 3: Correct, that's the plan. No, you're not gonna be here tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, I'll be here tomorrow. What day is it?
Speaker 3: Today's Wednesday? You idiot?
Speaker 1: You and tom tomorrow? Yeah, I'll be here and then
Speaker 1: Tom's gonna go solo. And that's still the plan on Friday,
Speaker 1: and he may even try to facilitate a guest mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Golly.
Speaker 1: It just warms my heart when I can leave and
Speaker 1: someone else can do what I'm supposed to do. So
Speaker 1: don't screw this up for me, Tom, or are you tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Simp?
Speaker 5: Come on, I'm not planning on doing what you do, Brian.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and complain and badger the
Speaker 2: other people on the show. I'm gonna put forth my
Speaker 2: best effort and try to hold down the fort for
Speaker 2: Mike while he's gone on Friday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, don't do what I usually do, which is
Speaker 4: sleep through the show and then I'm just you know,
Speaker 4: left talking to Dom. Don't do that to me.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask who can screwed up less, simper
Speaker 1: viv or filthy. But I think even simper vv knows
Speaker 1: what the answer.
Speaker 5: Is to be.
Speaker 4: Who can screw it up less? Jim Valley? Who can
Speaker 4: screw it up less?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we got a couple of things here. Tonight
Speaker 1: is Dynamite, which is where do we say it was tonight,
Speaker 1: Dluth Georgia, Duluth, Georgia, Yes, where Dluth, Georgia Metropolis.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very interesting because it is a It
Speaker 1: is a Dynamite and Collision taping.
Speaker 3: So we'll see how that goes tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, there's nothing better than having the
Speaker 1: biggest show you've ever had on Sunday and then a
Speaker 1: couple of days prior you got to try to get
Speaker 1: everybody in the building for a duel taping. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun. But we've got John Moxley and Ray Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Which we'll talk about.
Speaker 4: On the Collision Show.
Speaker 1: We've got Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks versus Juice Robinson
Speaker 1: and the Guns, Sky Blue versus Ruby Soho Swerve An
Speaker 1: Air Fox versus Darby and Nick Wayne, Ussie Open versus
Speaker 1: The Hearty's for the Ring of Honor World Tag Team titles.
Speaker 1: Jack Perry says he will retire the FTW title. Renee
Speaker 1: will speak to Adam Cole, Renee will speak to MJF,
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho, and will Ospray Love a contract signing now. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan talked about how there would be a change
Speaker 1: in the card for All Out and perhaps more changes,
Speaker 1: and one of those changes is Ray Phoenix. Ray Phoenix
Speaker 1: his passport issues are not worked out to the point
Speaker 1: where he can go on this trip, and so he
Speaker 1: can't leave the country to go here. It was noted
Speaker 1: that the reason he did not go to Triple Mania
Speaker 1: and drop the Latin American title is for the same reason.
Speaker 1: It is not clear when the promotion found out Phoenix
Speaker 1: was not able to go. Obviously, when they put the
Speaker 1: show together, this would have been within the last I
Speaker 1: would say week. It was it was fairly recently that
Speaker 1: that happened. He is still wrestling John Moxley tonight. And
Speaker 1: then it says in checking on potential replacements, Bandido was.
Speaker 3: Touch and go, wanted to be on the show.
Speaker 1: He just got the pin removed from his wrist yesterday
Speaker 1: and it would be early but not impossible. Mckingo pulled
Speaker 1: out of GCW dates this weekend. The match was scheduled
Speaker 1: to be Phoenix, Eddie Kingston, Penta, Orange, Cassidy, Trent, and
Speaker 1: Chuck against Moxley, Claudio Wheeler and three Mystery Partners.
Speaker 3: And that's all.
Speaker 1: Changing, and I believe it is it gonna end up
Speaker 1: being a singular five on five match, not six on six.
Speaker 1: But I don't know who's in and who's out other
Speaker 1: than Phoenix, So that is at least one change for
Speaker 1: the show coming up on Sunday. Hopefully Phoenix gets it
Speaker 1: all figured out quickly so we can travel and.
Speaker 2: Brian, I believe that would be the unplanned change and
Speaker 2: Tony Kahn said they were planned changes as well.
Speaker 1: So well things, yeah, But I mean what he could
Speaker 1: mean by a plan changes if we have two mystery partners,
Speaker 1: whoever they are, is a plan to change, although maybe
Speaker 1: adding Mystery Partners is not a change, but I think
Speaker 1: that they're going to be, you know, people added to
Speaker 1: the show is what he's talking about that you're not expecting,
Speaker 1: So I don't think he was talking about other people
Speaker 1: being pulled, but I could be wrong. But that's the
Speaker 1: update on Phoenix, and then Jericho will be doing a
Speaker 1: live performance. He and the rest of Fozzy, since people
Speaker 1: were asking, will be performing Judas Live. So he's going
Speaker 1: to sing his way to the ring for a match
Speaker 1: with will Ospray. Yes, for the first time ever, he says,
Speaker 1: we are going to be playing Judas Live for you
Speaker 1: and Wembley at all.
Speaker 4: In he'll be able to say now for decades after
Speaker 4: this that Fozzy played in front of ninety thousand people
Speaker 4: at Wembley Stadium. Oh yeah, we else can say that.
Speaker 3: Good for him. He should got to take credit for
Speaker 3: that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I may even record a show so I can say
Speaker 1: that I recorded a show in front of ninety thousand people.
Speaker 3: That's Wimbley Stadium. That's my plan.
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of other notes. We'll do some
Speaker 1: interview comments you'ly, Hey, you guys both watch NXT by
Speaker 1: the way, Yes, yeah, yes, what's so funny, Mike?
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure if you were going to say. I've
Speaker 4: given you guys some sending you guys some C cards
Speaker 4: and we're going to all recite the five way in
Speaker 4: the ring between all of the women.
Speaker 3: God forbid.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I know that some of you here, I
Speaker 1: know that some of you here really don't like to
Speaker 1: hear about NXT. Okay, but you know my job is
Speaker 1: my job is to watch everything, and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you if you don't watch the show, what you should
Speaker 1: and maybe should not watch. And I want everybody within
Speaker 1: the sound of my voice, all of you on the
Speaker 1: chat right now, they're going, ugh whatever, go watch Ilia
Speaker 1: Draganov versus Trick Williams. Dude, this match was flat out awesome.
Speaker 1: It was the best match that Trick Williams has had.
Speaker 1: Bro Listen, I don't know if we have multiple lives,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we come back, but there has
Speaker 1: never been a greater moment in any of Trick Williams'
Speaker 1: lives better than that match with Ilia Dragonov. It was
Speaker 1: the best match he's had by multitudes. I mean whatever
Speaker 1: his previous best match was, this was no joke, like
Speaker 1: fifty times better. And he'll tell you the same thing
Speaker 1: it was. You know, like sometimes you see a guy
Speaker 1: face is she e, and it's like it's just this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna do is He's gonna do the she match,
Speaker 1: and it just blows you away how awesome this match is.
Speaker 1: That's what this I was. I was like, like I
Speaker 1: knew that Ilia Dragonov was great. Okay, I think we
Speaker 1: all do. But I'm telling you here last night, maybe
Speaker 1: not today, maybe not this weekend, last night, the greatest
Speaker 1: worker on this planet was Ilia Dragonov.
Speaker 3: I mean, am I wrong? Am I wrong? Mike?
Speaker 4: You're not wrong, Okay wrong. But look, it's like when
Speaker 4: Okada was facing evil and he made all of that
Speaker 4: House of torture stuff palatable in the moment because you
Speaker 4: were fighting alongside Okada. That's what Dragonov is doing. That's
Speaker 4: how good he is. Trick Williams great prospect, but look,
Speaker 4: Ilia Dragonov's great.
Speaker 1: Well, of course it was all Ilia Dragonov. But man,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just saw Trick Williams match like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago with a Gulak and that guy looked like
Speaker 1: he'd had about three matches and looked totally green. You
Speaker 1: put him in there with Dragonov and like, oh, Mike,
Speaker 1: if that would have been like a Tiffany Stratton match,
Speaker 1: people would say she was the best women's worker in
Speaker 1: the business right now, because it's you know, Timmy's standing and.
Speaker 4: He's not gonna give you time to screw up or
Speaker 4: time to have big air to make mistakes or anything
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I could be wrong, Tom, what'd you think of
Speaker 1: this match? As is a seasoned worker?
Speaker 2: I love?
Speaker 3: Is he not the.
Speaker 2: Greatest any man that can win a fight with a
Speaker 2: second rope h bomb leaping off like Dad Henderson back
Speaker 2: in the day.
Speaker 5: What a finishing move, What a match? What a wrestler?
Speaker 3: Stand by everybody back in a moment? Observer Live, I
Speaker 3: got the show.
Speaker 1: Bright Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike Nimber of
Speaker 1: VB also Wrestling Observer dot Com. Filthy Tom Lawler, also
Speaker 1: of a Wrestling Observer dot Com filling host, filling host.
Speaker 1: Boy man, these people hate NXT on the chat, where's
Speaker 1: the OEW report? Did I miss Ohio Valley being on
Speaker 1: national television being number one on cable on Wednesday a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago?
Speaker 3: I don't think I did. I don't think I don't.
Speaker 2: Well, it is about to pop up on Netflix exactly.
Speaker 1: Hey, what's funny is when when I did get DBDs
Speaker 1: from Ohio Valley when it was WWE developmental, I did
Speaker 1: reviewed every week because it was important and it was good.
Speaker 1: It was good, and there was a lot of good
Speaker 1: on NXT last night. But we'll get to that later.
Speaker 1: Raw Raw Show on Monday, Yikes, one point five to
Speaker 1: nine million viewers and a point five eighteen to forty
Speaker 1: Lois Sin's football season ended. I should tell you something.
Speaker 1: NFL preseason was the main reason a big drop in
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four from last week. So they're all
Speaker 1: going to start watching football now, So usually they don't
Speaker 1: take a hit until the regular season begins, but they
Speaker 1: did here. We got a one point six to five
Speaker 1: million first hour, one point six to seven million second hour,
Speaker 1: at a one point four to six million third hour.
Speaker 1: Been a long time since we were in the one
Speaker 1: point fours. But the two major WWE programs did do
Speaker 1: strong numbers for the week of August fourteenth through twentieth.
Speaker 1: SmackDown with the twenty fifth anniversary celebration of Edge, was
Speaker 1: fourth among network TV shows all week long. In eighteen
Speaker 1: to forty nine. The only shows that beat SmackDown all
Speaker 1: week on any channel were three episodes of Big Brother
Speaker 1: People sure like they're Big Brothers and then We're going Yeah,
Speaker 1: says there. SmackDown shot at being number one for all
Speaker 1: of television on any television network for the week will
Speaker 1: end during football season. Well that's true. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're going to beat the NFL.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's for everybody internationally sick of ratings.
Speaker 4: You're not going to be sick of hearing about ratings
Speaker 4: and ratings getting hurt by the other thing that you love,
Speaker 4: which is American Professional football.
Speaker 1: Raw was first on cable last week, and RAW did
Speaker 1: beat a number of NFL preseason games. They beat Saturday's
Speaker 1: UFC pay per view prelimbs with the return of Chris Weidman.
Speaker 1: Dynamite was thirteenth. Can he stop returning on cable? You
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of guys that should stop returning.
Speaker 1: But it's MMA bro. Although hey, Tom, I mean you
Speaker 1: know you might see some what I'm talking about some cheddar.
Speaker 1: What do you make of this whole thing, Tom Well?
Speaker 3: UFC lawsuit.
Speaker 2: I believe it's it's a very good sign for the
Speaker 2: over twelve hundred fighters that have been certified as a class.
Speaker 2: That Judge Bullwear seems to want to rush this thing
Speaker 2: to the jury, and I, like a lot of other people,
Speaker 2: believe that a jury would be sympathetic to the fighters.
Speaker 2: I believe that it's being asked for eight hundred million
Speaker 2: in damages which could actually go up to triple based
Speaker 2: on some sort of metrics. So I did the math,
Speaker 2: and I you know my name, best case scenario, I
Speaker 2: could be looking at over one hundred grand here. I
Speaker 2: would think I can't imagine that I would get anywhere
Speaker 2: near that, but I would love it, believe me. And
Speaker 2: I think it will behoove TKO to settle this out
Speaker 2: of court, because I do think that the longer it
Speaker 2: goes on, and if it goes to a jury, that
Speaker 2: opens them up a lot to more lawsuits in the future.
Speaker 2: They're already gonna have to deal with this lawsuit continuing
Speaker 2: on in the form of Cajun Johnson and whatever other
Speaker 2: plaintiffs are with him since the twenty seventeen class of
Speaker 2: fighters has yet to be certified. So there's a lot
Speaker 2: of problems for WWE and UFC when it comes to this,
Speaker 2: and I'm hoping they realize that.
Speaker 1: And pad My Pockets, well, I guess the question is, well,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a million questions, but like, I wonder
Speaker 1: how they would figure out who gets what, like I
Speaker 1: believe it for him, and like how many how many
Speaker 1: fights did you have?
Speaker 3: Where were you on the card?
Speaker 1: Would they like split it equally, so you and Conor
Speaker 1: McGregor would get the same or work.
Speaker 2: I believe that one of the points of the lawsuit,
Speaker 2: one of the points of contention, is that they artificially
Speaker 2: kept down the purses of the fighters through restrictive contracts
Speaker 2: and free agency and those sort of things. So I
Speaker 2: would believe would be based upon how many fights you
Speaker 2: would have in that time And I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're going to take the time to look at everybody's
Speaker 2: career individually, but I would have to think that myself.
Speaker 2: Who I think I have seven fights in this time
Speaker 2: period in the UFC, I've got to think I would
Speaker 2: get a bigger payout than you know, somebody who had
Speaker 2: one fight in the same time period. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's interesting is if this does go
Speaker 1: to trial, then then there will be a jury, obviously,
Speaker 1: and the question will be what is the actual jury
Speaker 1: thing as opposed to like with this judge things, because
Speaker 1: you know, apparently obviously one of the things with a
Speaker 1: with a monopoly and such is you know, did did
Speaker 1: were they number one because of restrictive practices or were
Speaker 1: they number one because they actually were just better than
Speaker 1: everybody else. And uh, and you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to bear anybody, but I watched a lot of M
Speaker 1: M A back in the day. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of promotions come and go. Remember a Yama Is that
Speaker 1: what it was?
Speaker 4: Yama?
Speaker 2: And Dog, yeah, bow dog.
Speaker 1: And all these The fact of the matter is, you know,
Speaker 1: UFC got to where it was because they actually were
Speaker 1: significantly better than everybody else who was trying this.
Speaker 3: But this judge is like.
Speaker 1: I don't see to you reason they were any better
Speaker 1: than anybody else. So that's his opinion obviously, But like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like how do you how do you
Speaker 1: how do they determine this? Like you get just find
Speaker 1: twelve randos? Or are they gonna like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: subpoena Dave and just go Was this UFC really as
Speaker 1: good as everybody else?
Speaker 3: Or was it way better? I don't know how they're
Speaker 3: gonna do this.
Speaker 1: But the idea, the idea that UFC and and Bellatore
Speaker 1: and Yama and all of these really we're just doing
Speaker 1: the exact same thing and none of them really did
Speaker 1: it any better than anyone else.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: WEC was doing pretty well and then they got snatched up.
Speaker 2: Strike Force was doing pretty well and then they got
Speaker 2: snatched up. And there's gonna be a lot of stuff, Brian,
Speaker 2: that we don't know about yet that's getting unseen.
Speaker 3: There will be a lot of uner.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about this unsealed information. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see what comes out. You're getting, Yes, because Brian,
Speaker 2: I've lived through it. I understand saying excited that go on.
Speaker 5: I know how some of this stuff works, Brian.
Speaker 2: And if if the emails get out, you're gonna find
Speaker 2: out stuff about them, you know, screwing around with people's medicals,
Speaker 2: And there's tons of stuff that goes on behind the
Speaker 2: scenes and under the table that that needs to be
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 1: You ever thought of writing a book, Tom, because man,
Speaker 1: you get all this information, you were there. I mean
Speaker 1: you could you could document this for U into perpetuity here.
Speaker 3: No maybe not? Okay, I'll do it then, just giving
Speaker 3: you the first dibbs. But if you don't want it,
Speaker 3: it's probably like it right, Huh, you're.
Speaker 5: Gonna write it without me. You're gonna write a story
Speaker 5: about me without me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. You didn't seem excited about the idea.
Speaker 4: Like Charles Bark. You can write Tom's biography for him,
Speaker 4: and then he can say that he was misquoted in it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't Ken Shamrock have too.
Speaker 1: He's gotta be you gotta write your autobiography. Biographer's got
Speaker 1: to be an autobiography. And then you say you were misquoted.
Speaker 1: I misquoted myself.
Speaker 3: That's yes.
Speaker 4: And does he disagree with both?
Speaker 3: I don't know you ever thought about writing an autobiography, Tom.
Speaker 2: Brian, move on?
Speaker 1: Why do you secretly have a book deal you're not
Speaker 1: telling me about? And I'm now just explaining to the
Speaker 1: entire world what's going on here. I'm trying to come
Speaker 1: up with ideas for you.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 1: Now, when you asked me to do at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the show, you wanted some sort of tagline under
Speaker 1: your name, best selling author filthy Tom Lawler, how about that,
Speaker 1: Cole Lee, I wrote a book. It's really horrible time
Speaker 1: in my life, but I did it. Okay, what else
Speaker 1: do we have here?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 1: This is this is the exact opposite of a boll
Speaker 1: filthy Here, Brian Danielson is keeping a positive attitude despite
Speaker 1: the injury he suffered at Forbidden Door two started a
Speaker 1: broken arm in his match with Okada expected to be
Speaker 1: out of action till October. Is gonna miss all in.
Speaker 1: He went on his own wife's podcast and said he
Speaker 1: wished he hadn't broken his arm. See he's a man
Speaker 1: of facts, this Brian Danielson. But he has grown an
Speaker 1: appreciation for the match that they had. I wrestled ten
Speaker 1: minutes with a broken arm. Doctors said that made it worse,
Speaker 1: he said, but I find a certain joy in doing
Speaker 1: things that are hard, in finishing them. Even though it
Speaker 1: probably caused me a little bit more damage, I got
Speaker 1: more value out of it given that had happened versus
Speaker 1: head had not happened. He has a gratitude journal, and
Speaker 1: he's keeping a positive attitude.
Speaker 4: He's got the same pair of genes that he got
Speaker 4: like ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Don't hey, so do I.
Speaker 4: Of value right there?
Speaker 2: Everybody in this Blackpool Combat Club is off the rocker.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's the Blackpool Combat Club. That's how
Speaker 1: you get in.
Speaker 4: You don't have that mindset.
Speaker 1: Wait, what are you saying about old Wheeler? Something you'd
Speaker 1: like to tell us about Wheeler?
Speaker 5: You ever met him?
Speaker 2: I've hung out with him plenty of times.
Speaker 4: He's a creep.
Speaker 1: He's a creep what's so creepy about old Wheeler Uda?
Speaker 1: Aside from the fact that he called himself Wheeler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a choice at one point during his career,
Speaker 2: and that's the choice he made.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It is reminds me of what I once spent a
Speaker 1: long time making fun of Bobby Fish's name. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you had all these choices, you could have named yourself anything,
Speaker 1: and you decided you were gonna call yourself Bobby Fish.
Speaker 3: And I found out that's his name. Kind of felt
Speaker 3: bad about that one.
Speaker 2: I can I can tell you right now that Wheeler
Speaker 2: UDA's name is not either Wheeler nor Udah.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: However, it is better than is given.
Speaker 3: Back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 1: In the show Bright Now where is here Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: Live except for BB also.
Speaker 3: Wrestling Observer dot Com.
Speaker 1: During that Kurt discussion that we had in the previous
Speaker 1: segment about names and no Wheeler Udah, Tom had mentioned
Speaker 1: to me before that Wheeler Utah was not his real
Speaker 1: name and uh and it's it's uh. I was camping
Speaker 1: this weekend and I was up on the the uh
Speaker 1: the San Juan Islands, and I was unaware that I
Speaker 1: had free roaming in Canada, so I like, I was
Speaker 1: getting no messages until the last day I figured out
Speaker 1: I could actually get messages and internet for free. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I uh, you know, I woke up one morning
Speaker 1: and then we drove into town and and also all
Speaker 1: my you know, messages and emails start flying in as
Speaker 1: soon as we get US service, and uh, and I
Speaker 1: start seeing all these these messages about about uh, the
Speaker 1: whole situation with Cash Wheeler, and uh, It's still early
Speaker 1: in the morning. I haven't had my five hour energy
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I'm looking at these and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: reading about it, and I'm like, what in God's name.
Speaker 3: Did Wheeler you to do?
Speaker 1: And for like five minutes I had in my head
Speaker 1: that it was Wheeler you to that that I'm just thinking, like, man, Wheeler,
Speaker 1: you got that man on the freeway about what he
Speaker 1: really is?
Speaker 4: A shooter?
Speaker 1: And then uh, you know, I'm and then I start, uh,
Speaker 1: I start reading. I started clicking on news articles and
Speaker 1: then uh, and then the first one that I read says, uh,
Speaker 1: it says some like ae W professional wrestler Daniel Wheeler,
Speaker 1: and it goes on for the rest of it and
Speaker 1: As soon as I read that, I I harkened back
Speaker 1: to Tom and I was like, wait a second, his
Speaker 1: name isn't Daniel Wheeler. And then there's that moment where
Speaker 1: your head kind of goes.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's Cash not Wheeler.
Speaker 4: Dah. Now it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it didn't make sense, but like it was
Speaker 1: like one of those moments where like this whole thing,
Speaker 1: I'm just like Wheeler, you dah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, they're just weird.
Speaker 4: Why does Why did he decide to go with the
Speaker 4: all caps? Uda? You think you think he was just
Speaker 4: really inspired by like Akira in Japan or Kusheta or
Speaker 4: something like that, where it was like, not only am
Speaker 4: I gonna be Wheeler, but it's gonna be you dah
Speaker 4: all caps when I come out one day, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be like Elvis in sixty eight. It's gonna be a
Speaker 4: big dah lined up behind him and I'm gonna come out.
Speaker 4: What do you think he was thinking, filthy? Did you
Speaker 4: decide at any point did you think I'm gonna like.
Speaker 3: He was a fan of Walter?
Speaker 1: Is that what he looked at a Walter and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I remind myself of that guy.
Speaker 2: Big Van Walter, Big Walter.
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Speaker 1: where you can grab your copy of Wrestle Quest, which
Speaker 1: in fact stars myself, Dave Meltzer and Big Vinnie V.
Speaker 3: Have you got your copy yet? Put that up there?
Speaker 3: Put that thing on the screen. Look at that. We
Speaker 3: even got a graphic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's the Legion of Doom and Sergeant
Speaker 1: Slaughter and Andre the Giant and Jake the Snake and
Speaker 1: I don't know who that guy is front and center?
Speaker 2: Who is.
Speaker 3: Who is that guy?
Speaker 1: Who's the guy right in the middle that guy? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's not nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Where is this?
Speaker 3: What do you look at that on the big screen
Speaker 3: right here?
Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, I got a question for you. What you've
Speaker 2: been playing New Japan, the award winning New Japan Strong
Speaker 2: Spirits Collection app? Have you ever pulled a Brian Alvarez card.
Speaker 4: I have not pulled a Brian Alvarez card.
Speaker 3: No, you know, I didn't know you had to be
Speaker 3: so jealous.
Speaker 4: Filthy lawler card.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so Brian is not the first member of
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Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, new game mode hitting tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We speaking of games, we had a great edition of
Speaker 1: n XT last night. We had Trick Williams only Draganov.
Speaker 1: I told you about this, just absolutely fantastic and uh
Speaker 1: Elia killed him. They got a standing ovation afterwards. The
Speaker 1: place was just going crazy for this match. They had
Speaker 1: one nearfall where Trick gave him a middle rope urinage
Speaker 1: and Elia kicked out at two point nine to ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and my god, these people are so angry. They thought
Speaker 1: that was a finish. They thought that he pinned Elia Dragonov,
Speaker 1: but he did not. He won and it was great.
Speaker 4: Hold on Brian because I got a because Tom brought
Speaker 4: up the card game here and I know the NXT
Speaker 4: review is very important, but I have no idea why
Speaker 4: when they decide to release the new cards, why Jr
Speaker 4: Crados Jr Crados gets the card and talks about watching
Speaker 4: Team Filthy. Why is it not Tom talking about Team Filthy?
Speaker 3: I don't know, dude, don't look at means.
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Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 2: Watch myself and Team Filthy hoofs some ass.
Speaker 4: Whoa and he punched the screen.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we had Ivy, Nile and Ava in a singles
Speaker 1: match which actually ended up fine.
Speaker 3: It was just a simple match.
Speaker 1: Ava slammed her a few times, Ivy submitted her and
Speaker 1: then after beating her clean, Ivy puts the hold on again.
Speaker 3: This gives them geeks hit the ring.
Speaker 1: Ava flees and then on the exact same show, Ivy
Speaker 1: goes into the woods and she says, or Ava goes
Speaker 1: in the woods. She goes, Ivy or nothing but a coward.
Speaker 1: You won't show up and face me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, am I in the twilight zone?
Speaker 1: Like she just beat you via submission clean in the
Speaker 1: middle and was beating you up afterwards. Now you're in
Speaker 1: the woods calling her out.
Speaker 3: But it made sense later I guess we got better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then we had another excellent match no Am dhar
Speaker 1: and Nathan Frazier for the Heritage Cup. These guys are
Speaker 1: great and the one complaint I have about these Heritage
Speaker 1: Cup matches, I actually like the matches. The rules are
Speaker 1: simple enough. They keep the action going. It's easy to
Speaker 1: tell a story. But God two commercial breaks, which meant
Speaker 1: of the five falls, we only saw three falls because
Speaker 1: two of the falls were completely during a commercial break.
Speaker 1: So no Am Dar ended up winning the cup back
Speaker 1: after avoiding a Phoenix splash and hitting an in zigiri
Speaker 1: and that warmed my heart?
Speaker 2: Did you add falls to this match?
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about rounds. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: There were there were falls, yes, but there.
Speaker 1: Were five rounds and I think we saw three.
Speaker 3: Of the rounds.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm confused about is today they announced
Speaker 2: a heritage tournament, tournament with different rules than.
Speaker 3: I can get to those later.
Speaker 1: I wrote him down, But then Tiffany came out to
Speaker 1: cut a promo.
Speaker 3: This was straight out of the main roster.
Speaker 1: Gig came out, and then Keana came out, Blair came out,
Speaker 1: Roxane came out. They all have a four way next
Speaker 1: week and the winner gets.
Speaker 4: To the dialogue. Wow, oh, the dialogue.
Speaker 1: You gotta learn somewhere, right, And apparently they don't have
Speaker 1: an improv class.
Speaker 4: No need to learn something. Look at Tiffany Stratton, Gigi.
Speaker 4: Don't we've heard these women speak on NXT before when
Speaker 4: they got there. We've heard some of them speak while
Speaker 4: they were on the indies. They are giving them way
Speaker 4: too much and not letting some of the natural bitchiness
Speaker 4: and cattiness come out of them. They're scripting everything rug
Speaker 4: that nothing works. It's true what I know.
Speaker 3: But he's yelled at you for that one before.
Speaker 1: We had Ave in the woods and this cowardly Ivy
Speaker 1: showed up. Boys get her and they unmask and their
Speaker 1: the Creeds. Ivy beats up Ava and then the Creeds
Speaker 1: who are they lost a loser Leaves Town match. They
Speaker 1: signed their own match. We're gonna have another match next
Speaker 1: week if we can just hang out from now on.
Speaker 3: And then the Diad and Joe Gaze.
Speaker 4: There are the cops that rolled up on Tony DiAngelo.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to think it was because he was Italian.
Speaker 4: There have two dudes and another lady who just kidnapped
Speaker 4: a woman in the woods and now they're making demands.
Speaker 1: I don't think they kidnapped. Going on, I think i'd
Speaker 1: just beat her up, just threw into leaves, you know,
Speaker 1: big pile. Yeah, we had the metaphor announcement and then
Speaker 1: no Am Dar notes I don't have to defend the
Speaker 1: Cup for five weeks. So ladies and all mensa, let's
Speaker 1: go to California. So we have We're gonna have five
Speaker 1: weeks of skits of metaphor in California, I hope.
Speaker 3: So wow, that sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll go to Disneyland. Can you imagine no Am
Speaker 1: dar on like the rides.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're gonna get them in a nice truck like
Speaker 2: Nakamura and Boogs or around the California Highway together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy's making fun of hbk Ford being Booker
Speaker 1: of the Year. If you don't, you guys, don't think
Speaker 1: that he's going to place, you know, all right in
Speaker 1: Booker of the Year, think again, because he's been doing
Speaker 1: a good job.
Speaker 2: He's going to be right.
Speaker 1: You know. If you watched the show, actually we had
Speaker 1: Dragon Lee and Lyra versus Dom and Rhea. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty good match and the finish was kind of stupid.
Speaker 1: It was one of those w WE things. Raquel comes
Speaker 1: out and she attacks Riha at ringside, and like when
Speaker 1: Ria Ripley showed up from the main roster, the building
Speaker 1: just absolutely explodes and so they're going crazy. She's beating
Speaker 1: the heck out of Ria Ripley at ringside, and this
Speaker 1: referee has to pretend he didn't see anything. And then
Speaker 1: dom goes running, Lee gives him the destino and pins him,
Speaker 1: so it looks like Dragon Lee will be getting another
Speaker 1: shot at Dominic mysterio. We had another deal where Trick
Speaker 1: and Mellow or not the best time together, but they
Speaker 1: got back on the same page. And then supposed to
Speaker 1: be Baron Corner, Baron Corbin and Von Wagner, but Baron
Speaker 1: Corbin attacks him at the bell. They're brawling all over
Speaker 1: the place, actually a good brawl, and then Corbyn gives
Speaker 1: him a back suplex on the floor which looks like sucked.
Speaker 1: He goes after mister Stone. Wagner makes the save and
Speaker 1: he starts clearing off the table because his gimmick, because
Speaker 1: he puts dudes through the table, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: from out of nowhere, Bron Breaker flies in and he
Speaker 1: speared Von Wagner. I think to California, like metaphor maybe
Speaker 1: in California, and they find Von Wagner like his body
Speaker 1: like the wiley coyote in the side of a cliff.
Speaker 1: Bron speared this guy so hard. I thought he killed him,
Speaker 1: and then him and Corbyn smiled and laughed. I guess
Speaker 1: we're gonna maybe have a three way or something.
Speaker 3: I don't even know.
Speaker 4: Oh, I guess his shirt was right then? Right? You
Speaker 4: notice that shirt he got on?
Speaker 3: What did it say this week?
Speaker 4: Bron Breaker best spear in the business.
Speaker 1: Well, find me a better spear than bron Breakers.
Speaker 4: Is he talking to Goldberg? Brian?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Goldberg comes in for an NXT match
Speaker 1: with bron Breaker. I suppose anything as possible. In fact, funny,
Speaker 1: I should mention that Becky Lynch is teasing coming to
Speaker 1: NXT because they really want to beat Dynamite in some
Speaker 1: of these demos, So she's gonna come and face Tiffany apparently.
Speaker 1: And then the main event was Carmelo, Hayes and Wes Lee.
Speaker 1: Didn't get as much time as I thought, but they
Speaker 1: had a very good match because they're both quite great.
Speaker 1: And finally Carmelo did this springboard into a DDT, putting
Speaker 1: West through a table outside, which was awesome, and they
Speaker 1: get back in the ring. Carmelo rolls outside after getting
Speaker 1: hit with the cardiac kick. West tries a topay, he
Speaker 1: misses and he spears his own head into the barricade.
Speaker 3: I thought he was dead.
Speaker 1: And he gets back into the ring and Carmelo hits
Speaker 1: the nothing but net gets the pin and a good match.
Speaker 1: Carmelo Hayes retains the title.
Speaker 3: Anything else you'd like?
Speaker 5: Dad?
Speaker 1: You guys?
Speaker 3: No good, Tom? What did you think of the show?
Speaker 2: A couple of good matches on it? I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I mean, how can you not enjoy it? With that
Speaker 2: oh You're Dragon off performance? And then wes Lee and
Speaker 2: Carmelo Hayes. I thought they did great in the main event,
Speaker 2: obviously to blue chip prospects that the WWE has down
Speaker 2: here in NXT, and you know, I think wes Lee
Speaker 2: and they say it on commentary for a guy who
Speaker 2: was not supposed to be in this spot, looks great.
Speaker 4: Bag them on with more.
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Speaker 1: I'm hidding to green Land. Apparently I fly over a
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Speaker 4: It's very snowy up there. I don't know why they
Speaker 4: call it Greenland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then ice Land is all green and sunny.
Speaker 3: It's weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think someone got confused somewhere. I think it's time
Speaker 1: we changed the names of those countries.
Speaker 2: Uh. I mean we did get named after Amerigo Vespucci.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, and there's a lot of discussion.
Speaker 3: We were named after the North Amerigo Vespucci.
Speaker 4: Amerago and Vespucci got it right. Columbus didn't do anything,
Speaker 4: he got lost, ended up in a place. Vespucci was
Speaker 4: the one he should have been.
Speaker 1: You know what these people need is a history lesson
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Speaker 2: Exactly a little Tomorrow it's education degree, dude.
Speaker 1: Things change, brother, I mean I could have got an
Speaker 1: astronomy degree. It doesn't mean the Pluto is still a planet.
Speaker 1: Things change, We learn new things. We're here to learn
Speaker 1: Tom learn Tomorrow. It is Tom and.
Speaker 4: Mike.
Speaker 1: They'll be together and then uh, and then Tom's gonna
Speaker 1: be here on Friday, and Dave and I are planning
Speaker 1: on doing a lot of shows from the UK. So
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Speaker 3: Maybe going back in time.
Speaker 1: According to hul Cogan, I'm not quite sure. I think
Speaker 1: I'm going forward in time. I think I'm time traveling forward.
Speaker 1: You are, okay, but then I'll time travel back on
Speaker 1: the way back, right, So I'll get next hera day.
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