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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 4: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: I love him. I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 6: Big job there, Coretti.

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Speaker 4: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: That's all right.

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Speaker 8: Tuesday, December thirteenth, twenty twenty two, Episode three seventy six

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Speaker 8: of the Anak and Florian Podcast. Twelve times a year

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Speaker 8: lot to get to, but a heavy hearted episode. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 8: as some of you know, certainly our more avid listeners know,

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Speaker 8: we have an internship program. We had an Internship Sweepstakes

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Speaker 8: this year, but in twenty twenty one our intern was

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Speaker 8: Casey Williams and he was on the air a couple times.

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Speaker 1: On Too Many Lawyers, we take on a couple of

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty one longtime listener and viewer of the

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Speaker 8: it was recently brought to our attention that Casey passed

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Speaker 8: away October twenty fifth, unexpectedly and tragically at the age

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Speaker 8: of some kind. Kenny, his older brother Brett Williams, messaged

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Speaker 8: To Casey's siblings, to Brett and his parents. You know,

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Speaker 8: you know this is happening all too often. But Case,

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Speaker 8: for us and for all of your support. All right,

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Speaker 8: UFC two to eighty two Kohovich versus on Calive. It's

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Speaker 8: gift that keeps on giving. It really is, in a

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Speaker 8: we have so much to get to today. I can't

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Speaker 7: That is entirely possible for that to be a draw.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't mean there aren't a lot of dreadful singular scorecards,

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Speaker 8: but it's got to be reserved for the most selective

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Speaker 7: the R word, the robbery word and watching it live.

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Speaker 7: I didn't even see the robbery at all. I said,

433
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Speaker 7: you know, after round three, I said, I don't know

434
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Speaker 7: who won wins this fight. Whoever gets it. It's close

435
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Speaker 7: enough to I really don't care. I don't know. I

436
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 7: thought that Jared Gordon in round three didn't adapt the

437
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Speaker 7: way that he should. You know, I don't fault him

438
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Speaker 7: for trying to look for a takedown. Here. Where I

439
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 7: might throw some fault his way is if it's not working,

440
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 7: mix it up, do something else. That left hook was

441
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 7: working great for you the whole fight. It seems like

442
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 7: he ignored that he was dead set on just trying

443
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Speaker 7: to take him down. It wasn't working he was controlling

444
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Speaker 7: him up against the fence, but I don't think he

445
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 7: was throwing anything that really landed. Patty was defending the takedown.

446
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 7: So the way I scored it, Jared Gordon won round one,

447
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 7: and I thought round three was the closest score. I

448
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 7: had Patty winning round two and in round three. As

449
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Speaker 7: far as damage and striking goes, I thought Patty really

450
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 7: was the only one who was landing strikes. In round three,

451
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 7: Gordon tried to take the back, he slipped off and

452
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 7: unfortunately for Jared, you know, he lost position there and

453
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Speaker 7: allowed Patty to kind of end the fight on the

454
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Speaker 7: back there when he threw a couple strikes. So I

455
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Speaker 7: don't know as far as effective grappling effective striking, I

456
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Speaker 7: don't have a problem with Patty winning round three. Now,

457
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Speaker 7: so I thought Patty did win the fight twenty nine

458
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Speaker 7: to twenty eight. Now, overall, this was not a good

459
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Speaker 7: performance for Patty.

460
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Speaker 5: I thought that.

461
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Speaker 7: In a way, I just don't see him beating anyone

462
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Speaker 7: in the top fifteen after that fight.

463
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Speaker 8: I just don't.

464
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Speaker 7: I don't see him climbing up the ranks. I think

465
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Speaker 7: he'll be a popular fighter, and there's some fun fights

466
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 7: out there for him. But this was a fight where

467
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 7: I was really waiting, is this a guy that can

468
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Speaker 7: actually do something in this insane one hundred and fifty

469
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 7: five pound division? And I didn't get that answer to me.

470
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Speaker 7: He didn't prove himself as elite in that division. He

471
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Speaker 7: will struggle against everyone from the top fifteen to the

472
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Speaker 7: top ten. I don't think he breaks or beats anyone

473
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Speaker 7: in the top ten unfortunately. So I think this was

474
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Speaker 7: his opportunity to prove it. It was a big spot,

475
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Speaker 7: a lot of eyes watching, and he didn't succeed in

476
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Speaker 7: that regard. Did he beat Jared Gordon? Yeah? Sure. If

477
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Speaker 7: it went the other way with Jared, I think it'd

478
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Speaker 7: be a little bit more controversial. But yeah, I don't

479
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 7: think it's out of the question that Jared won that

480
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Speaker 7: fight either.

481
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Speaker 8: But it was close.

482
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Speaker 7: But people saying robbery, come on stop. You know, if

483
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Speaker 7: you hate Patty, all right, that's on you. But if

484
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 7: you're really watching and trying to score that fight, that

485
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 7: was an extremely close fight.

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Speaker 8: No, there are a lot of elements to it. There

487
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Speaker 8: are a lot of people that subconscent maybe think that

488
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 8: they're objective, and they aren't necessarily objective when assessing somebody

489
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 8: like Patty Pimblet because they have an extra grind and

490
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 8: they don't want him to succeed because they think that

491
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 8: everything has just been handed to him on a platter.

492
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 8: There's so much to get into, And I thought you

493
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 8: did a nice job sort of efficiently touching on a

494
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Speaker 8: number of different angles as far as Paddy Pimblet's trajectory

495
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Speaker 8: is concerned. You know, largely I would agree with you.

496
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Speaker 8: I think we all wanted to know going in how

497
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Speaker 8: much this performance maybe would tell us about his future

498
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 8: ability against guys in the top fifteen. I do think

499
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Speaker 8: he's a lightweight and not a featherweight. I think that

500
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 8: cut would just put him in such a bad place

501
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 8: in more ways than one. I do think he's going

502
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Speaker 8: to have to realize success at lightweight, but I don't

503
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Speaker 8: know that there's just this huge gap of space that

504
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 8: he can close in terms of getting better. Right, this

505
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 8: is not a rookie. This is a guy who has

506
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Speaker 8: been built the right way in terms of his skill development,

507
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 8: championship experience, and success outside the UFC. But he's not

508
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 8: a spring chicken. So I do think he can get better,

509
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Speaker 8: and I do think he can can sniff the top twenty.

510
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 8: But you go look at the number fifteen rank lightweight

511
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Speaker 8: in the world, and that's a really hard fight for

512
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Speaker 8: Patty Pimlet right now, Now, as far as the scorecards

513
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 8: are concerned, so Doug Crosby, Chris Lee, and Ron McCarthy

514
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 8: are the three judges who scored the co main event.

515
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 8: Chris Lee's the best judge of those three for me, historically,

516
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 8: he gave Jared Gordon round one. The other two judges

517
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 8: gave Patty pimblet round one, and I guess that's my

518
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 8: biggest issue. Right You can absolutely criticize Jared Gordon for

519
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 8: what happened in the third round, and again, a lot

520
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 8: of people don't want to hear this, right. I almost

521
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 8: started the show by saying, if people want this to

522
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Speaker 8: be the space in which and again Longo's going to

523
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 8: come on here any minute and say that Jared Gordon

524
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 8: got absolutely hosed. And candidly, I texted Jared after the

525
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 8: fight that I thought he got hosed, right, but some

526
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Speaker 8: of that was maybe my emotion for Jared, and I

527
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 8: thought he won rounds one and three, And as I

528
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 8: sit here, I still did have the fight. By the way,

529
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Speaker 8: twenty nine to twenty eight for Jared Gordon. I just

530
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 8: don't see how you can give Patty Pimblet that first round.

531
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Speaker 8: Felt like Jared landed the more damaging, more significant strikes

532
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 8: by a significant margin. Yes, you're right, he abandoned that

533
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 8: left hook thereafter for whatever reason. But to me, a

534
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 8: ten to nine for Patty Pimblet from Doug Crosby and

535
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 8: Ron McCarthy in that round is borderline indefensible. So I

536
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 8: don't like that necessarily. Chris Lee gave Patty Pimblet rounds

537
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 8: two and three, and I do think Jared Gordon, as

538
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 8: I mentioned, is open to some criticism. In round three,

539
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 8: at one point our producer Zach Candido got in my

540
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 8: ear and said, three and a half minutes in or

541
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Speaker 8: whatever it is, that Jared Gordon had landed zero significant

542
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 8: strikes at that point in time, So zero significant strikes

543
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Speaker 8: in the clinch. And there's such a huge discrepancy in

544
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Speaker 8: terms of how referees handled these situations, and some referees

545
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 8: are super impatient. But to me, you know, there should

546
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 8: have been more stern warnings from the referee. I don't

547
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 8: know who it was, maybe it was Herbdan, but there

548
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 8: should have been more stern warnings for Jared Gordon to

549
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 8: be busy in these situations. I still didn't think that

550
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 8: Patty Pimblet did enough to come back and win the round.

551
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 8: I know you did. Certainly Patty Pimblet's Clint strikes were

552
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 8: more effective, and then Jared had that situation where he

553
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 8: slipped off and Patty maybe took the back at one

554
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 8: point in time. So when I watched that third round back,

555
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 8: I wasn't as offended by ten to nine Pimblet in rounds.

556
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say this, John, I absolutely agree with

557
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 7: you on round one. The fact that that is scored

558
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 7: for anyone other than Jared Gordon doesn't make any sense.

559
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 7: You're looking at clean strikes that are damaging blows that

560
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 7: are backing up Patty Pimblet. Jared Gordon was landing those shots.

561
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 7: Jared Gordon won round one, no question about it. You're

562
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 7: giving that round to Patty. You don't know what you're watching,

563
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 7: in my opinion, all.

564
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 8: Right, stuck right there. So two of the three judges

565
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 8: don't necessarily know what they're watching as far as that

566
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 8: round is concerned. And we have to say about Douglas

567
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 8: Crosby coming off one of the more dreadful scorecards the

568
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 8: night before in a different promotion on Friday night. So

569
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 8: crazy to me that two of the three scorecards that

570
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 8: matter could look at round one and score that for Patty.

571
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 8: As you were saying, yes, now, now round three.

572
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 7: Here's my problem with round three is was where was

573
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 7: Jordan's effective grappling and effective striking? The only thing that

574
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 7: I see as effective would be Jared Gordon kind of

575
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 7: pinning Patty up against the cage. But if I'm pitning

576
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 7: you up against the cage, not throwing any strikes and

577
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 7: getting hit more often than I'm throwing shots, am I

578
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 7: effective as a grappler? Was the effective when he was

579
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 7: holding him against the fence, and was the effective when

580
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 7: he failed on that back attempt? That that's where I

581
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 7: have a problem with it. And again we're talking about

582
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 7: millimeters we're talking about But if we're looking at something

583
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 7: of who's more effective in both the striking and grappling realm,

584
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 7: I would say that Patty edged him out there, which

585
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 7: basically takes away the second criteria, which goes into control

586
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 7: and all that stuff.

587
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 8: So all right, let's bring Ray Long Go into the conversation.

588
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 8: The Ray Long Go minute every week here on the

589
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 8: Anak and Florian podcast. So one question that I was

590
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 8: going to ask Sean Sheen and raymondstrate to see you.

591
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 8: We never take your appearance for granted. Ray Oh, my goodness,

592
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 8: you gotta be you gotta be kidding.

593
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 7: What a tease?

594
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 8: So what I was going to ask Sean Sheen Raymond,

595
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 8: what's up?

596
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 7: My man?

597
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 8: Looking good, my man?

598
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 7: Let's go.

599
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 8: So one thing that I was going to ask Sean Sheen,

600
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 8: who is an outstanding MMA scoring guy and hosts, who's

601
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 8: going to join us in a little bit. So Jared

602
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 8: Gordon in round three, and we know you have strong

603
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 8: opinions on this and we certainly want to bring you

604
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 8: into the conversation. Jared Gordon's grappling staying in that clinch

605
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 8: position in that third round, right, it doesn't really score

606
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 8: as far as the criteria is concerned, but depending on

607
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 8: the referee, it's enough to maintain the position. So what

608
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 8: were your thoughts overall on the fight and how it

609
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 8: transpires in that third round? My good man.

610
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 10: To uh in reference to what though? Did he win

611
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 10: the round? Is that what he's saying?

612
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 8: Well, I guess what what are you?

613
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 7: Yeah?

614
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 8: What are your thoughts overall? On that third round.

615
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 10: Well, my thoughts over rules that Jared Gordon won the fight,

616
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 10: that's my thoughts overall. What what difference does it make

617
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 10: what I thought of the third round?

618
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Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying, Like, based on the judges criteria,

619
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Speaker 11: who won the fight, who won the round?

620
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Speaker 8: After the third round, I thought it would have been

621
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Speaker 8: a boring, appalling for anyone to see the third round

622
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 8: for Patty Pimblet. But when I actually had some separation

623
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Speaker 8: from it, and when I leaned into the criteria and

624
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 8: watched it back, maybe more objectively than I was in

625
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 8: that moment, I can understand why scoring people who leaned

626
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 8: into the criteria minds that I trust, would suggest that

627
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 8: what Jared was doing was not effective grappling. And so

628
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 8: I'm asking the question, Well, if it's not effective grappling,

629
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Speaker 8: it was certainly enough for him to maintain the position

630
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 8: the red would intervened so far enough to win the round.

631
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 11: Hey, first off, always go with your first impression. That's

632
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 11: the first thing. This is what happens, This is what happens.

633
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 7: Again, Well not for me.

634
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 8: I'm calling the fight though, right right.

635
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 11: But everybody judges the fight and then they goes south

636
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 11: and then we start to try to figure out well

637
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 11: maybe this, well maybe should we have to do that

638
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 11: Jery go would and won the fight.

639
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 7: It's pretty obvious.

640
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 8: Well Kenny got Patty won it.

641
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 7: So you thought Patty won that fight, Yeah, I did.

642
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 7: I didn't think I thought. I thought that Jared won

643
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 7: round one. I thought that Jared won round one. I

644
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 7: thought that Patty won round two, and I think that

645
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 7: round three. There is nothing that happened from really either

646
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 7: side to say that they won that fight decisively. If

647
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 7: you see round three and you have a strong opinion

648
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 7: on who won that fight, I just don't see that happening. Hey,

649
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 7: if Jared won the fight, were like, okay, it was close,

650
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 7: you know, and I think it was. I think it

651
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 7: was close enough. It came down to round three. I

652
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 7: didn't think think there was anything crazy that was done

653
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 7: by either fighter. But I also don't think that Jared

654
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 7: would have won with effective grappling. I don't think he

655
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 7: did anything. I really don't. Patty more strikes than him.

656
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 8: And it actually came down to round one I guess right,

657
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 8: because two of the three judges did have Jared Gordon

658
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 8: winning that third round.

659
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, which is crazy. I don't think there's any way

660
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 7: you could have Jared winning round one. But to me,

661
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 7: the way I saw it, to me that the controversial

662
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 7: round or the close round is round three. Yeah, So what's.

663
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 10: What's the best thing that Patty did in that fight

664
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 10: in your opinion?

665
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 7: Well, certainly Kenny, I was gonna say, I thought he

666
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 7: definitely landed way more in round two. Jared wasn't landing

667
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 7: more than him in round.

668
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 11: But Kenny sloppy, looping punches that Jared caught on his arms.

669
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 11: There wasn't a straight punch throw.

670
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 7: Jared wasn't landing. Jared wasn't landing really much in round

671
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 7: two either.

672
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 10: He had to land a left hook once.

673
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 7: I would think, you know, but yeah, but if you

674
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 7: go back and watch it, I think I think you

675
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 7: might be surprised. I don't think that I don't think

676
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 7: that that's a robbery at all.

677
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 8: I don't think that was I'd imagine the comments are

678
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 8: pretty lit up and people will take selective sentences and

679
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 8: then run with it. I will sit here and say,

680
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 8: I think there's an argument in a close fight that

681
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 8: Jared Gordon won all three rounds.

682
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 7: Right.

683
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 8: I did give Patty pimblet round two, and you know

684
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 8: it's you know, I saw Patty Pimblet afterwards and he

685
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 8: acknowledged it as a shite performance to me as we

686
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 8: were crossing paths on the postfight show. I mean, he

687
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 8: certainly acknowledged this not as his best performance, and Jared

688
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 8: Gordon himself, to his corner, questioned whether or not he

689
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 8: had won rounds one and two. So I do think

690
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 8: the fight was close, but I certainly thought that Jared

691
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 8: Gordon won round one. To me, round one was the

692
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 8: most decisive of the three rounds.

693
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 7: Yep.

694
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 8: I thought Gordon was productive in round two, but I

695
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 8: did give that round to Patty Pimblet and then in

696
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 8: round three because the free let Jared Gordon dick around

697
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 8: in the clinch for as long as he did to

698
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 8: Jared Gordon round for me every day of the goddamn week.

699
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 8: So for me, it felt pretty clear twenty nine to

700
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 8: twenty eight. But as I said, when I got some separation,

701
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 8: I understood why there was not a lot to score

702
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 8: in that third round. And Ray, I'm just saying, I

703
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 8: know you think Kenny's out of his fucking skull, But

704
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 8: the scoring experts, I believe, will tell you they're only

705
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 8: focused on what they can actually score, and there was

706
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 8: not a lot of offense to score in that third

707
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 8: and final round on either side.

708
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was it three and a half minutes. Jared

709
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 7: didn't throw any any strikes in round.

710
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 8: Three, didn't land a significant strike.

711
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 10: I guess a significant strike needed the thigh. He's insignificant.

712
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, hey, I just.

713
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 11: Because Hey, it's subjective again, like what's damage and what's

714
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 11: not damage?

715
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 10: You know what I mean?

716
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 7: Like I might.

717
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 11: It's like the guy has his mouth open, he's gasping

718
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 11: for rand and then dominic cruise will tell you that's

719
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 11: what I do.

720
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 7: I wasn't gassing. Well the fuck knows?

721
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 11: Really, I mean, hey, with here again making up shit.

722
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 11: Everybody's first first impression was Jared won to fight. I

723
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 11: know why I think he won the fight. It was

724
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 11: he was the cleaner, better guy, period.

725
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 8: That's it and I are in agreement. I feel horribly

726
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 8: for Jared. I feel like it should have been the

727
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 8: biggest win of his career. I'm just saying, Ray, I

728
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 8: don't care about the masses. I care about the select

729
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 8: few individuals out there that I trust that are interpreting

730
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 8: the criteria in a really in the way it's supposed

731
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 8: to be and we're all trying to affect change to

732
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 8: whatever degree, whether it's judges or whatever. And when it

733
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 8: comes to ten eight rounds, you know, it's there's a

734
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 8: lot of people talking about corruption when it comes to

735
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 8: the Nevada State Athletic Commission and some of these commissions.

736
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 8: You know, I will say there are certain judges that

737
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 8: have absolutely no business being in these seats. And to

738
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 8: whatever degree that I can affect change, I can just

739
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 8: assure the masses out there that I'm going to do

740
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 8: everything my power to have some conversations with powerful people

741
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 8: because I don't know, man, I don't care so much

742
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 8: about the totality of these certain close fights, But when

743
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 8: I look at singular rounds sometimes I'm like, man, you

744
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 8: know that dude that's just not at all the way

745
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 8: that round should have been scored. And that dude either

746
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 8: has some agenda or something going on.

747
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 11: Based on what you guys are saying, maybe we should

748
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 11: do this, Maybe we should have them fight and then

749
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 11: we'll give the decisions on Monday.

750
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 10: Well, we could fucking look at the tapes over and

751
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 10: over again and figure out a way.

752
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 8: See the people that I'm talking about, the scoring people,

753
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 8: they're scoring this in real time and giving their scores

754
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 8: out there.

755
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 7: You know.

756
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 8: But again, there are a lot of people that are

757
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 8: just gonna come all over Kenny for scoring the fight

758
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 8: for Patty right, And you know, he could just say, yeah,

759
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 8: it was a close fight. I really don't know, you know,

760
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 8: he could fence it right and and be a lot

761
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 8: you know, not you know, he's so now not aligned

762
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 8: with the majority that everybody's just gonna fucking come after

763
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 8: him for that.

764
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 10: Now, that doesn't that's his opinion, doesn't It really doesn't matter.

765
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 11: I'm just thinking if you're looking at that fight and

766
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 11: you can't tell who the better guy it was.

767
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 10: That's not good.

768
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: Yeah.

769
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 8: I don't even know where to be right, I know,

770
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 8: but there are a lot of people that devote a

771
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 8: lot of time to, uh to trying to interpret this

772
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 8: stuff the right way. But yeah, I think, uh, there

773
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 8: are a lot of people that feel for Jared Gordon

774
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 8: and h Obviously he's a very spiritual and faithful man

775
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 8: and he is spinning into the positive as far as

776
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 8: Patty Pimblet is concerned, Ray, do you have any thoughts

777
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 8: of him as far as his ceiling and his performance?

778
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 7: Uh?

779
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 11: Look, I did I didn't see anything. Man, give Frovola

780
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 11: to fight. Let him fight somebody.

781
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 7: I love it. I love it.

782
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 10: And see what happens? What is chin sticking up in

783
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 10: the air like that?

784
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 7: See what happens to it?

785
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 10: I don't, I don't.

786
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 11: I don't think he could go much further unless he

787
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 11: makes some serious improvements. The way he handled the mic

788
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 11: after the fight I thought was horrendous. He thinks that

789
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 11: was fight at a night. Do you think it was

790
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 11: fighting at night?

791
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 10: Kenny?

792
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 7: Do you hold him on that?

793
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 10: That was hard?

794
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 7: I don't think. I don't think there's a chance that

795
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 7: he beats anyone in the top fifteen now. And the

796
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 7: fact that he's talking like that, it just leads me.

797
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 11: Listen, if you're going to ask me who I thought

798
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 11: the judges were going to give that fight to after

799
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 11: the fight of Pimblet was getting the fight, it's just

800
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 11: the way it is. I would that I one hundred

801
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 11: percent say so. I didn't think he won the fight,

802
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 11: But if you ask me who do I think the

803
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 11: judges are giving it to?

804
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 7: Patty Pimblet.

805
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 8: So, Kenny was pretty critical of Patty Pimblet as far

806
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 8: as the performance and as far as his ceiling is

807
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 8: going forward not good, But I don't know. I do

808
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 8: just think it's a little bit simplistic when you say yeah,

809
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, it's just going to go to the

810
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 8: big superstar, as if to say, right that I mean

811
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 8: because that is to suggest that you know these fighters

812
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 8: are either in the back pocket of the UFC or

813
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 8: that you know it somehow benefits them to score it

814
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 8: for the bigger name. And that's a pretty serious charge.

815
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 8: I'm not saying you're making it or you're not, but

816
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 8: that's a pretty serious charge, right are talking to me? Yeah,

817
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 8: I am talking to you or anybody out there who's

818
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 8: making that charge. And I'm not even saying that.

819
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 7: I'm saying this.

820
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 11: I'm saying, if you're looking into James Krause and the

821
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 11: betting controversy and what's going on with that, you got

822
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 11: to look at judges and refs because they could sway

823
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 11: a fight easily. That guy could have even the ref.

824
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 11: Maybe he wanted that fight to stay on the fence.

825
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 11: I don't know, what do I know? Why do you

826
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 11: let him stay there? Why did you stay there? Maybe

827
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 11: there was something on that well her when you ever

828
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 11: judge that's friends with fighters that he's got close associations

829
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 11: with corners and management. And look at this guy what

830
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 11: he said about crawsby this aj as Agm or whatever

831
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 11: his name is. Why is the guy judging my fight?

832
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 11: He helped me fill out my forms and get jiu

833
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 11: jitsu matches. Why is a judge helping a fighter fill

834
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 11: out his forms for anything and then judging his fight?

835
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 11: Just answer me, because we got problems. There's major problems.

836
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 11: Ariel Jani hit it dead on with his with his analysis,

837
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 11: and the guy harassed him, he stalked him. Why is

838
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 11: this guy still around? He got on jails podcast destroyed

839
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 11: Nick Limbo. The guy's the commissioner for New Jersey. You're

840
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 11: letting this fucking mud dictate what's going on and just

841
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 11: miss all over people.

842
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 10: I don't know.

843
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 7: Missouli answered the question.

844
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 11: Did Mike Mizzouli look into aj agers arms claims that

845
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 11: this guy filled out his forms and was judgment his faith?

846
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 7: You'd have good ahead of the ABC. What'd you do?

847
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 11: That kid's never even thought after that fight? It was

848
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 11: twenty twenty. What happened to him? He didn't get rewarded,

849
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 11: but he got penalized. We should get him on the phone.

850
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 11: See how close. How Crosby, how did he how did

851
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 11: he approach you?

852
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 7: What did he do?

853
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 10: How did he fill out those forms for you? What

854
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 10: did he tell you?

855
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 11: This is a judge, then he has to judge a fight,

856
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 11: all right. You don't think that guy somehow hooked into

857
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 11: Danny Sabatello. Are you fucking kidding me? You know him,

858
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 11: you know he knows people. You know he goes to

859
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 11: Gym's and talks to Pete. What the fuck is going on?

860
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 11: I mean, if he's commissioned, I'm saying, if Bob Bennett

861
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 11: was still the Nevada that shit never happens. They don't

862
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 11: fly that guy from Connecticut to Nevada. It just doesn't happen.

863
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree with everything out of your mouth right there, largely,

864
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 8: And I'm glad that I And.

865
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 7: I'm glad it's not me this time.

866
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 10: I swear to God, I'm glad it ain't me.

867
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 7: I got nothing to do with it.

868
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 8: Well, no, I mean, at this point it's hard for

869
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 8: me to stay quiet, right, it really is. I mean,

870
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 8: obviously you mentioned the Danny Savatello thing, and then that

871
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 8: Patty Pimlet ten nine. Obviously in round one on the

872
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 8: back end of historically would have just been some obviously

873
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 8: wayward and bad scorecards.

874
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

875
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 8: No, certainly as far as select individuals are concerned, they

876
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 8: have no business, you know, still having the seats that

877
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 8: they do.

878
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 10: No.

879
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 11: My point was with the corruption, you could sway a

880
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 11: fight Lee at least two or three or four percent

881
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 11: as the ref You'll let us stay down in extra

882
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 11: twenty seconds, you bring them money, you could do anything.

883
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 7: It's not that hot.

884
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 8: And in terms of unanimous versus split, yeah, I just

885
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 8: think my again, it's not that I have no respect

886
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 8: for the collective, Kenny, but I guess for me, when

887
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 8: it seems like ninety five percent of people who watch

888
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 8: fights regularly have the fight for Jared Gordon and then

889
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 8: not one of the three at least right has two

890
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 8: rounds for Jared Gordon, to me, that seems a little

891
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 8: bit problematic. I don't say corruption necessarily, and maybe that's

892
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 8: just me not leaning enough into the criteria. Like Chris Lee,

893
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 8: I don't think has any agenda whatsoever, And he would

894
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 8: sit here and say they gave me nothing to score

895
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 8: in round three, so I scored it for Patty. I'm

896
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 8: not corrupt at all. And some people say Chris Lee

897
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 8: should be fired. As far as I know, Chris Lee

898
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 8: is one of the better judges in a field in

899
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 8: which there are very few elite judges, and he just

900
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 8: didn't see a lot to score in round three, right,

901
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 8: he did give Jared Gordon round one because to me,

902
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 8: it's absolutely indefensible to give Patty Pimblet round one.

903
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 7: Okay.

904
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 11: The other thing is based on what you guys are

905
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 11: saying Round ten should have been a draw, should have

906
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 11: been a ten ten?

907
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, and again that's a.

908
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 7: Perfect that's a perfect round for it's even nobody won.

909
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have a problem with that. If you're telling

910
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 7: me there's nothing to score, then how do you score it?

911
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 7: Score it even well?

912
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 8: And I also think too as a judge, if the

913
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 8: referee and it was Herbdan and historically Kenny, you know Herbdan.

914
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: He's a jiu jitsu guy, and not for nothing, he

915
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 8: does allow these guys to grapple themselves out of this situation,

916
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 8: and largely I would prefer them have to work their

917
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 8: way out. It's not as though Patty had the energy

918
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 8: to get away from Jared, right, he was effectively grappling

919
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 8: in my mind, But people who really ingest the scoring

920
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 8: the way you're supposed to, would say that it wasn't

921
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 8: effective grappling. But to me, if the referee is allowing you,

922
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 8: as herb Dean was and in my opinion, longer than

923
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 8: maybe he should have. But if he's allowing you to

924
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 8: be there, then as a judge, I have to say, well,

925
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 8: this is effective grappling because the referee sees it as such,

926
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 8: he's allowing him to be there. And that was essentially

927
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 8: the bulk of the round.

928
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you don't. You don't take an account you

929
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 7: don't score a car a fight necessarily on what the

930
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 7: referee is allowing. You're scoring on on what is actually transpiring.

931
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 7: Is Patty effectively stopping the take? Are you effect Are

932
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 7: you effectively taking someone down if you're just pinning them

933
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 7: up against the cage and not doing anything right? Pat right?

934
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe you know, is Patty countering the takedowns? Is

935
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 7: he is he putting them in a weird spot? So

936
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 7: now Jared can't do anything?

937
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 11: Well you know, well, let me ask him. Did Morob

938
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 11: win that round against Jose Aldo when he had him

939
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 11: up against the cage or you think it's the same thing.

940
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 7: He lost that round? It was totally different. Was not

941
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 7: stopping punching and moving.

942
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jar, Jared, Jared, Jared was just holding him.

943
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 11: Right. You could easily say ineffective though whatever was dope,

944
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 11: you could.

945
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 7: Go down punching, but the striking was effective.

946
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 11: I thought he was just me and then footstomp him.

947
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 11: But you know he was trying to get him down too.

948
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 11: I mean, you yeah, he's he's you gotta go w first.

949
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 11: But I thought Jared was trying to take him down

950
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 11: a couple of times.

951
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think the most significant strike if you

952
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 7: go back and watch that fight, Jared lowers his head,

953
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 7: he elbows and immediately Jared raised his head up and

954
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 7: changes his position completely.

955
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 5: Right.

956
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 7: That's that's that's doing something with your striking, Jared. There's

957
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 7: no strike. I don't think that anybody could point to

958
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: and be like, oh wow, Jared really won that round

959
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 7: because of this.

960
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 8: This and that, And for me, for open period, no,

961
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 8: it's not a robbery. If ever there were a fight though.

962
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 8: For open scoring, this is the one right because even

963
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 8: though Gordon maybe himself was questioning it to Greg Jones

964
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 8: and his corner, you know, Rob McCarthy and Doug Crosby

965
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 8: scored round fucking won for Patty pimblea, which to me

966
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 8: is indefensible. And if those two guys flip that one round,

967
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 8: then Jard wins the fight by split decision.

968
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 7: So now to me, that will be fine too.

969
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 8: Exactly Kenny's actually saying there's only one defensible.

970
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 10: I never said it was a robbery. I just said

971
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 10: I thowt Jared won.

972
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, noy. I texted.

973
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 10: At at night, and I thought Jared did a lot

974
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 10: of good things in that fight.

975
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 8: I texted Jared that I thought the decision was trash right,

976
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 8: and largely I still do. But I understand Chris Lee's

977
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 8: card is the one that's defensible, and he had a

978
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 8: twenty nine to twenty eight pimblet. So, oh man, it's

979
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 8: supposed to be fun, right, Let's get it back to fun.

980
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 10: How do we do that? So?

981
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 8: How do you handicapped Jamal Hill's chances? Right now? The

982
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 8: betting favorite to beat Glover to share and become the

983
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 8: new light heavyweight champion in six weeks? What a crazy

984
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 8: night as far as that division was concerned. Huh.

985
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 10: I'll tell you one guy you don't want on your

986
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 10: bedside his data.

987
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, one guy, He's glad my contract is done. Jesus,

988
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 8: oh man, what for us on all of that noise?

989
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 10: Raymond, which noise?

990
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 7: You know which which division? Right?

991
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 11: I gotta tell you, man, I thought, uh maga Maed.

992
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 11: I mean how he came back from those lake kicks.

993
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 11: He was able to really dominate Browns four and five.

994
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 11: You got to give the guy some sort of credit.

995
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 11: But that's another That guy's he might go to the

996
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 11: gulag right now. We might never see him again. He's

997
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 11: not Magamed is not coming back. He's been shoved off

998
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 11: to the gulag. Uh No, I think Jamal Hills, he's

999
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 11: your problem. Great hands, really big power, uh glove has

1000
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 11: got to get that fight to the floor. And he's

1001
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 11: and he's he's huge.

1002
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 8: We did not acknowledge on Caliav's other worldly toughness. Kenny

1003
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 8: and I was flying back with my twin brother and

1004
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 8: he was like, Dude, there's so many fighters that would

1005
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 8: have just gone to the ground and it would have

1006
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 8: been right like with respect to the rest of the roster.

1007
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 8: I don't know how many fighters would not have been

1008
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 8: there to fight through that. But gosh, I mean, what

1009
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 8: respect for that guy's resilience?

1010
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 7: Huh yeah, man, I mean First of all, his his

1011
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 7: leg was messed up. He switches his dance and then

1012
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 7: bob it starts sticking up. Yeah, like it looked like

1013
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 7: that leg was compromised, and somehow his legs just kind

1014
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 7: of came back to life. The rounds four and five,

1015
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 7: it was. It was insane. But again, you know ankliv

1016
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 7: where he's from, Uh, how he's performed in the past,

1017
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 7: it wasn't surprising. But yeah, man, that's that's an insane

1018
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 7: level of resiliency and.

1019
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 10: Holy holy crow, and he was able to and his

1020
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 10: his shots were quick.

1021
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 7: Man.

1022
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 10: Yes, I mean like when he turned it on, he

1023
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 10: turned it up. He was a totally different guy.

1024
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally for a while.

1025
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 10: But uh yeah, I enjoyed that fight though I don't

1026
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 10: know what was wrong with it.

1027
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought the fighter that was. Yeah. I have

1028
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 8: so much respect for both of the guys, and Bohovich

1029
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 8: in particular in defeat Ray. Just the way he handled everything.

1030
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 7: And that's what I want to see. I love.

1031
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 11: Let me shout out. I want to shout out Daria

1032
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 11: Albers too. You mentioned yes on the show. She's a

1033
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 11: really close friend. She's been at the gym a lot.

1034
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 11: She uh you know, worked with me and Wideman on

1035
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 11: some mental stuff. She's awesome and she's a sweetheart. She's

1036
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 11: a breath of fresh air. And if anybody has a

1037
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 11: calm way of speaking, it's Dari or Albers. And she's

1038
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 11: very intelligent, and uh, she did. I think she did

1039
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 11: a great job with jan Like it's just a great

1040
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 11: job you're saying.

1041
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 8: I shouted her out on the broadcast. Somebody did mention

1042
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 8: y her name was on my card. I didn't know

1043
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 8: if I got to that was for you.

1044
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 10: She's a sweet she talked to hers sometimes you'd love her.

1045
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 8: So there's so much to get to as far as

1046
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 8: UFC two eighty two is concerned. Really a weird night

1047
00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 8: in a lot of respects.

1048
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: Right.

1049
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 8: We started with ten straight finishes, but a lot of

1050
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 8: them happened late in fights, and they were rallies. The

1051
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 8: whole night just felt absolutely crazy, like it didn't feel

1052
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 8: hard of the year crazy. And then all of a sudden,

1053
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 8: we need the judge the scorecards in the final two fights,

1054
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 8: and then all hell breaks loose, and then half an

1055
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 8: hour later we do that heavyweight championship fight. This sport

1056
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 8: is out of its fucking mind sometimes, you know, what.

1057
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 7: About Billy Q. Can we speak about it.

1058
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 8: Yes, let's talk about Billy Q. Come on, man, he's

1059
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 8: super long for featherweight. Man, he really is super long.

1060
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 8: And uh, you know, the cardio base is just such

1061
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 8: a weapon for him. I mean, certainly he weaponizes his

1062
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 8: cardio and can take a beating. If you didn't see

1063
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 8: the fight, it was an early prelum. I mean, this

1064
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 8: is a main car fighter, but it was an early prelum.

1065
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 8: He beats Alexander Hernandez. Hernandez obviously got off to a

1066
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 8: good start, won the first round, but your guy, Billy

1067
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 8: Q gets it done round two.

1068
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1069
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 8: What were your thoughts on Corntello.

1070
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what he does, man.

1071
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 11: And and you know you backed that type of fighting

1072
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 11: with a beautiful personality and you got Billy Q. Man,

1073
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 11: it's just a great guy. You know, he's very humble,

1074
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 11: he's you know, soft spoken, but when he goes in there, man,

1075
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 11: he just lets it all, lets it all go out

1076
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 11: and the octagon is what everybody should do.

1077
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 8: What'd you think of the eighteen year old Raoul Rosas junior.

1078
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 7: Man, he looked good.

1079
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 11: He looked I think he looked better in this fight

1080
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 11: than he did in the Contender series fight. Yeah, I

1081
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 11: thought he looked like he tightened some stuff up.

1082
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1083
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 8: So, Kenny, when you're the guy who gets the call

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00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 8: to fight the eighteen year old prospect, right, or if

1085
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 8: you're Jamie Pickett and they say, hey, Jamie would like

1086
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 8: you to fight Boon Nickel, you're going to be one

1087
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 8: of the biggest underdogs in UFC history. Right now. Jay

1088
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 8: Perrin was not that as far as the betting line

1089
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 8: was concerned. But when you're Jay Perrin, you got to think,

1090
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 8: all right, you know, is this like cow to slaughter situation?

1091
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 8: Did they think I'm a bottom feeder? Do they think

1092
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 8: I'm the worst band of weight on the roster? Right?

1093
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 8: Because candidly, promotionally right, Obviously, you're trying to match make

1094
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 8: the eighteen year old in such a way that he

1095
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 8: doesn't fight an absolute killer in the most dangerous bandonm

1096
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 8: weight outside the top fifteen in his first UFC fight, right,

1097
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 8: So for j parn, I think it's a little bit

1098
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 8: of a mind fuck. Obviously Jay did not handle it well,

1099
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 8: talking all sorts of shit, calling the kid a pussy

1100
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 8: at the way in. I mean felt like it was

1101
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 8: over before it started. But you know, I felt for

1102
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 8: Jay out of Lowell, Massachusetts, Right, But did Raoul rosas

1103
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 8: junior man, Kenny. I don't know what you thought of him,

1104
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 8: but he looked pretty ready for prime time.

1105
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 7: To me, I think so Listen, I'm blown away by

1106
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 7: the fact that at eighteen years old, he has that

1107
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 7: level of composure and he has that level of skill

1108
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 7: to be able to execute it on the large stage,

1109
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 7: on the big stage, like I didn't have that kind

1110
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 7: of composure at eighteen years old. You know, it's amazing

1111
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 7: just the kids that are coming up now and the

1112
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 7: mindset that they're able to develop with an actual goal

1113
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 7: of being in the UFC in their early twenties or

1114
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 7: even in their late teens. That is crazy. That hasn't

1115
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 7: heard of. That is extremely rare. There's not a whole

1116
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 7: lot of eighteen years old, eighteen year olds out there

1117
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 7: in the world that would, you know, again, be able

1118
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 7: to accrue those skills over time and be ready for

1119
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 7: a UFC level fight, let alone have the ability to

1120
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 7: deal with pressure on the big stage like Rosace. So

1121
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 7: this is a kid I see big things for him,

1122
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 7: and I hope he comes along slowly still, but the

1123
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 7: fact that he's executing like that, performing like that at

1124
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 7: eighteen years old in the UFC already. I think it's

1125
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 7: a it's a nice preview for what we will see

1126
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 7: more of in the future. But it shows that he

1127
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 7: is the future. That is extremely impressive.

1128
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 12: Man.

1129
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, Ray, I think he's ready for al Joe right now,

1130
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 8: but we should probably just take it a little bit slower.

1131
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 10: That's actually ridiculous.

1132
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 8: But that's a joke. But al it is a joke, right, Yes,

1133
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 8: it's a fucking joke. Well no, sorry, did you see

1134
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 8: what al Jo said about it? Or no? So Aljo

1135
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 8: is sort of engaged, right, yeah, well he's going to

1136
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 8: we right right, No, I mean obviously, don't even get

1137
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 8: me started with the physical maturation. Right, The question, beckons,

1138
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 8: is rabul Rosas Junior ready for number twenty two in

1139
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 8: the world versus number forty?

1140
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 7: Right?

1141
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 8: Because bantam Waite's very deep. That's the question right now,

1142
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 8: not is he ready for number one? Would you give him,

1143
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 8: you know, another guy on Jay Perron's level, with all

1144
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 8: due respector are you giving him somebody that's on the

1145
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 8: fringe of the top fifteen?

1146
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 7: You know?

1147
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 11: No, I would give him somebody on j Yes, give

1148
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 11: a bunch of pursuits at the beginning. He's a young kid.

1149
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, just a different stylistic matchup.

1150
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 11: But somebody I agree with Kenny, but I do think

1151
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 11: you can accrue the skills, but mentally, I don't think

1152
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 11: you're nowhere near ready and if you could execute him,

1153
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 11: because look in all our Olympic athletes, they were eighteen

1154
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 11: nineteen years old.

1155
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 10: And I tell you, Kenny, I saw.

1156
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 11: They had one on the other night and on the

1157
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 11: Amazon or one of those stations Netflix. I don't know,

1158
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 11: but I can't think of the jiu jitsu guy's name,

1159
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 11: young twin brothers.

1160
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 7: Oh, the rotolo bro. Oh yeah, yeah, they're amazing. Yeah,

1161
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 7: eighteen nineteen are you kidding? Unbelievable. I don't even know

1162
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 7: what I'm looking at. They're crying, no idea what I'm

1163
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 7: looking at? Yeah, no idea what I'm looking at?

1164
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 5: John?

1165
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 7: Eighteen years old. I'm telling you, when they were like

1166
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 7: eleven and twelve, if you saw them rolling, you'd be like,

1167
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 7: I don't even know what they're doing. It looks like

1168
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 7: they're doing stuff that black belts could bear it. I

1169
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 7: don't know what I mean. That was at eleven and twelve,

1170
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 7: like their their next level. Their dad's a black belt instance,

1171
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 7: they could walk.

1172
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 10: I mean it's I'm saying. I'm telling you that incredible.

1173
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 7: That's what I say.

1174
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 11: You think like Rao, that kid roses to you, he

1175
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 11: would get they would last two seconds with one of

1176
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 11: those guys, it would be brutal.

1177
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 8: But that Ryan was actually asked about the brothers. He

1178
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 8: said one of them is getting a little bit confident.

1179
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, a whole different level himself.

1180
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 8: Hey, Ray, I'm going to bring Sean Shean in here

1181
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 8: if I could, from severe MMA, outstanding contributor to our

1182
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 8: podcast and really somebody who has so much value in

1183
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 8: the m m A space. Good afternoon, my man. It's

1184
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 8: nice to see again.

1185
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 5: All right, Thanks sorry much for having me. It's great

1186
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 5: to be on a lovely as well.

1187
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 8: Want to give me to stay high, to U to

1188
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 8: the great Ray long ago before.

1189
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 7: Let me let.

1190
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 8: Hey, Ray, we love you. We appreciate your time. And

1191
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 8: you know, I don't know if you're withholding a Christmas

1192
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 8: card for for Kemp Flow because he scored the fight

1193
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 8: for Pat.

1194
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 11: I'm not, first of if I'm not that guy. If

1195
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 11: I just disagree, I don't you know.

1196
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 10: I love Ken. You think we're gonna we're gonna go.

1197
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 7: I can agree on everything.

1198
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, you think we're gonna I'm gonna be mad because

1199
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 11: he scored the fight for Patty Pimblet.

1200
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 8: Everybody knows you reserve your venom for me and not

1201
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 8: to say anyways.

1202
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 7: I can't can't, I can't help that. Kenny's on the take.

1203
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 7: The guy needs money.

1204
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 5: I need money money.

1205
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 8: That's right, he's good battle bo. Hey, Ray, we love you, buddy. Well,

1206
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 8: we'll talk to you next week. We got at least

1207
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 8: one more show before the year's out.

1208
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 11: So Kenny residuals on Battle by Yeah, a little boy.

1209
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 8: Look at this guy. A little bit all you need

1210
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 8: to know this guy. This guy Hey, right, thank you buddy.

1211
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 8: Thanks waking up buddy, nice, thanks real take you right

1212
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 8: long go minute every week here on the Anakin Florian Podcast.

1213
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 8: He was okay waking up early and we appreciate that.

1214
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 8: But now with us hosts from Severe m m A

1215
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 8: and shirt dog dot com on Twitter, you can find

1216
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 8: him at Shawn she and ba. Oh good day, sir,

1217
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 8: I'm so glad you were available. It's nice to see you,

1218
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 8: my friend. How you doing all right?

1219
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 5: Nice?

1220
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: See, not much happened over the weekend. Nice quiet weekend

1221
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: for judging enough. I was just thinking ten ten fights

1222
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: into DUFC, no no judges needed, and I was like,

1223
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 3: you know, what.

1224
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 5: Are we gonna have to talk about in the podcast tomorrow?

1225
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 8: And then my goodness, Well, we appreciate your time, and

1226
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 8: I would certainly encourage people, and I'm not begging, but

1227
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 8: I am imploring you to check out Seawn's content, particularly

1228
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 8: his thorough breakdown that has pinned on his page that

1229
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 8: goes through the scoring criteria, and also when you have

1230
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 8: a weekend like you just did, I think there are

1231
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 8: a few more valuable voices in the space. So certainly

1232
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 8: check out his weekly content as well. But the criteria stuff,

1233
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 8: you got to go watch that. So one thing Ray

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00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 8: sort of takes issue with, and this isn't me banging

1235
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 8: on him when he leaves the chat room right in

1236
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 8: this space, you know, everybody has their feelings in the

1237
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 8: fight game. I've learned, but in terms of like watching

1238
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 8: it back, because for me, I felt like in the moment,

1239
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 8: rounds one and three were pretty clear for Jared Gordon,

1240
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 8: in particularly round three because he was being allowed to

1241
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 8: be in the clinch extendedly by Herb Dean. I guess

1242
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 8: I deem that effective grappling, even if maybe I overscore

1243
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 8: what was going on there. But I do believe even

1244
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 8: a commentator who can affect the narrative reserves the right

1245
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 8: to go seek out opinions maybe that are more valuable

1246
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 8: than his own, or to watch it back. So you know,

1247
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 8: where do you stand as far as like people watching

1248
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 8: it in the moment versus being able to get some

1249
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 8: space from it and watch it back.

1250
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: This is a very interesting one and I think that's

1251
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: actually a major point of this fight. And I'm in

1252
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: a lucky area, I suppose where I'm here in Ireland,

1253
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: and I cover a lot of obviously the Irish in

1254
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: the UK scene and cage writers. So I would know

1255
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: Paddy Pimblet, like a lot of people watching this would know,

1256
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 3: you know, just engage she or might know Connor or Habib.

1257
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 5: They've seen him for years, They've been watching him, they

1258
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 5: know every part of his game.

1259
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people who've watched Paddy Pimblet

1260
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: twice or three times maybe before and are seen him.

1261
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: So for me to come in and watch the fight

1262
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: from second one, I wasn't shocked that it was a

1263
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: close fight. I would see a lot of people probably

1264
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: were shocked that it was a close fight and that

1265
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: Paddy was eating left you know, he eating a lot

1266
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: of left hands and things like that. I've seen Paddy

1267
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: lose his arm back, I've seen him lose in that Narromani.

1268
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: I've seen him in a very very very close fight

1269
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: with Julian Rosa which he could have lost. I've seen

1270
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: him in all of those fights, and out there, that

1271
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 3: level of shock wasn't there for me. And I know

1272
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: a lot of peop maybe covering decided world where you know,

1273
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: it'd be the same for me if it was someone

1274
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: coming from you know, CFFC or LFA or somewhere.

1275
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 5: That I might know that well.

1276
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of the reaction was like

1277
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: what Papehunda's fighting this guy who's a good fighter, Jared Garden,

1278
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: but like maybe like the bottom ten to fifteen percent

1279
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: dile of lightweights in the UFC, and he wasn't blowing

1280
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 3: him out of the water. And we have this thing

1281
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: that my colleague Governor Severe Men Podcast Graham called the

1282
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 3: expectancy bias. We're expecting something to happen, it doesn't happen,

1283
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: and we got too far the other way. Now that

1284
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: happened with Talia Santas versus Valentina Shashinko. It was one

1285
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: of those fights. Maybe I did, maybe he was even

1286
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: on talking about that, but there was close rounds of Valentina,

1287
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: just about one. But everyone gave him the Santas because

1288
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: Santas was a massive underdog coming into it. That didn't

1289
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: necessarily happen here in a big way. But I think

1290
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: it happened in a small way, and I think it

1291
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: turned everyone from calling it a close fight to a robbery.

1292
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 3: And that's the difference. Like I would watched back the

1293
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: fight here an hour ago, and at the end of

1294
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: the fight you said, John close round and a close fight,

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01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: And I was watching along on Twitter on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: After the first round, the vast majority of people close

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01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 3: round after the second round, vast majority people close round

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 3: after the third round, vast majority be able close round

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Speaker 3: after decision.

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01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 5: Robbery, right right, right? That is that is madness to me,

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 5: the biggest problem.

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Speaker 3: We can roar and shout about MMA judging all we want,

1303
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 3: but if we lose logic and just go insane after

1304
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: every decision, there will never be anything fixed. You can

1305
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: change the system, you can tear up the criteria, you

1306
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: can have a new criteria. But if every decision is

1307
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: met with that reaction, we are finished. Give me logic,

1308
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: give me your breakdown in the fight. I don't think

1309
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 3: this was a good decision by the way I scored

1310
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: it for Jared Garden. But to call this a robbery

1311
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: is I think madness. Now, some of the scores in

1312
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: here weren't good, especially the first round, I think, but

1313
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 3: this was.

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01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 5: By no means a robbery. And even like, even if

1315
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 5: it was right, just break down, why just tell me why?

1316
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 5: Tell me why?

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01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 3: And like, especially like especially if you've already tweeted close round,

1318
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: close around, close round, and then you're coming out saying robbery.

1319
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: That to me, like and you're, oh, these judges are

1320
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: in having a clue what they're doing. This criteria is rubbish.

1321
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: Yet you're the one making yourself look like an idiot,

1322
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: like the whole way through, and it happens all the time,

1323
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: And that to me is the most frustrating partner that was.

1324
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: You know, this was actually like a good example of

1325
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 3: the criteria just being implemented incorrectly. This is actually a

1326
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: great example to have a logical discussion about judging, and

1327
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: then it just turns the madness straight away, and that,

1328
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 3: to me is the most frustrating part.

1329
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's tough because not only do you

1330
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 7: hear it, but it seems like the majority are giving

1331
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 7: their opinion on something and I don't know how much

1332
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 7: they're actually looking at the scoring criteria and then scoring

1333
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 7: it in an unbiased fashion.

1334
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent.

1335
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: I saw someone the other night saying that they score

1336
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: the five one way for their website, and they scored

1337
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 3: the fight another way on their own personal thing because

1338
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: they liked the score fights differently, and they score it

1339
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 3: the way on the website because that's the way the

1340
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: criteria is now.

1341
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 5: John, That's what I've been working with. That's what I've

1342
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 5: been working for the last few years. And it's ridiculous.

1343
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 7: What did you think? I thought? I thought round one

1344
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 7: was the clearest round I thought for someone, which was

1345
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 7: Jared Gordon. Close, yes, but I thought that was pretty

1346
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 7: clear for Jared for the most part. I thought Round

1347
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 7: two was for Patty, and I thought Round three really

1348
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 7: could have gone either way. I thought Patty maybe landed

1349
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 7: a little bit more. I didn't think either really effective

1350
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 7: with their striking or grappling, and you kind of had

1351
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 7: to go to something, and I thought Patty maybe edged

1352
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 7: him out there. How did you score it round by round?

1353
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: I scored as watching it live. I scored it to say,

1354
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: I scored it watching it back. I scored the first

1355
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 3: two rounds for Jared Garden, and I scored the toard

1356
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 3: for Patty Pimle. I think there's a couple as looking

1357
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 3: at this right the robbery way first, and the best

1358
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: way to decipher if this is a robbery is to

1359
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 3: score the fight backwards.

1360
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 7: Right.

1361
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: Round three couldn't have gone either way? Yeah, absolutely, I

1362
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 3: think none can disagree with that. Round two couldn't have

1363
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: gone either way, Yeah, I think so.

1364
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so not a robbery. There you go. It

1365
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 5: doesn't matter about round one. It can't be a robbery

1366
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 5: from that.

1367
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: If you want to say it's a bad decision because

1368
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: they scored round one the right way or the wrong way, sorry, absolutely,

1369
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 3: I have no problem with that.

1370
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 5: Right.

1371
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: But for Patty Pilmer could easily have won two of

1372
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: those rounds I scored, I didn't score that way. He

1373
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 3: easily could have, So that's another robbery. Or Garden could

1374
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: have scored it. Was it a bad decision? I think

1375
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: it was a bad decision.

1376
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 5: I agree with you. I think that first round.

1377
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: I went back and I watched it with a fine

1378
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: tooth calling again today and look, I stand by what

1379
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: I when I tweeted after the round it was a

1380
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 3: close round. It was really a close round. And I

1381
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: think the more effective strikes were landed by Jared Garden.

1382
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 3: That's why I scored it for him. I went back

1383
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: and watched the second round and the weird So there's

1384
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 3: a weird thing about the difference between the first round

1385
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 3: and the second round. Garden was almost more consistent with

1386
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: the shots in the second round than he in the

1387
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 3: first round.

1388
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you why.

1389
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 3: After three minutes, sorry, two minutes of the first round,

1390
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: Jared Garden had landed what like five or six left hooks,

1391
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: big left hand, lovely shots. And then there was like

1392
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: a like one hundred second period where Jared Garden didn't

1393
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 3: throw or land a punch and Paddy landed maybe five

1394
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: or six punches. And you know on the commentary after

1395
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 3: the punch after one hundred seconds he landed nice left

1396
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: hook and goes there's another left hook again, But there

1397
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: hadn't been a left hook for ten punches, and Paddy

1398
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 3: had landed all those ten punches that to me brought

1399
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 3: around a little bit closer. So Paddy won a large

1400
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: period of the first round, but I think the most

1401
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 3: of the first round was won by Jared Garden. And

1402
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 3: the problem with that as well is the period where

1403
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 3: Paddy won, Jared didn't do anything. The period where Jared won,

1404
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 3: I think Paddy did something and they landed a few shots.

1405
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 3: So that's why I think it's kind of brought a

1406
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: little bit closer to me still, I think, and you

1407
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: score on the more effective strikes, and to me, that

1408
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 3: was Jared Garden, And in the second round, I just

1409
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: think Jared Garden landed the effective strikes throughout the round.

1410
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: Paddy landed some good ones. Why he landed a lovely

1411
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 3: right hand the rock. Garden back a bit towards the

1412
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: towards the end of the round. You know, there wasn't

1413
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 3: much in the clinch. There was a few shots before

1414
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: and after it. It was one of those ones I

1415
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 3: was watching where the clinch broke out and I'm thinking,

1416
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: someone is going to take this round here in the

1417
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: last minute or whatever it was, And I just thought

1418
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: Jared Garden did the better of it in that second round.

1419
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 3: I've no problem when anyone's going form and that third

1420
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: like not happens, you know, not happened. I watched it

1421
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: back again today. I just topped him. That landed the

1422
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: slightly better shots. I know people as well talk about

1423
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: should you go to the secondary criteria in that third round.

1424
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 3: I am fervent in believing this that you if there's

1425
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 3: punches landed, you don't go to the secondary criteria. John

1426
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: read it at the start of every pay per view

1427
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 3: and reads it really well. I love the way in

1428
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: the new way that you guys read that. It's absolutely

1429
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: perfect unless it's dead, even you don't go. And I

1430
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 3: said that for the Carls spars Rose and im Munus

1431
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 3: fight as well, there was like two punches landed in

1432
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: the whole round. Decipher those two punches, give me who

1433
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 3: landed the better of those two. And I think that's

1434
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 3: the same for the Paddy pim that and and Jared

1435
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 3: Garden tourd round as well. For me, the way I

1436
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: decide for that, I'd have Paddy landed the better shots.

1437
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 3: If you said, Jared, I couldn't disagree with you. But again,

1438
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 3: a very close, a very close round like people probably

1439
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: turn off the stream after I say this, but you

1440
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 3: could have scored that fight thirty twenty seven, Petty Pimlet,

1441
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 3: You really could. You could score the thirty twenty seven

1442
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: Jared Gardens. Would I have agreed with thirty twenty seven

1443
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 3: Petty Pimdt. No, I don't agree with thirty twenty seven

1444
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 3: Jared Garden. Peter, that's the one I absolutely could see

1445
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: he could have won that first round.

1446
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 5: It was close.

1447
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: I scored it for Jordan. I agree with Kenny's breakdown

1448
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 3: of it, but this was a very close fight. Like,

1449
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 3: there's a big issue here because Paddy Pimdt is a

1450
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 3: known guy and when its sorry ann guy not a

1451
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,479
Speaker 3: known fighter. And that's a big thing here because people

1452
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 3: are people are looking at this with the guys of

1453
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 3: a famous guy and not an you know, a.

1454
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: Fighter a versus fighter B. Yeah, and that was a extavation.

1455
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 5: That's a massive issue in this one.

1456
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 8: Well, and when Clay Gueda gets hit and his hair

1457
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 8: goes flying, I just have to say, everybody's like, dude,

1458
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 8: he barely got touched. His hair just going crazy, Patty. Obviously,

1459
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 8: every time he gets touched, his blonde hit lettus goes

1460
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 8: flying right, and it looks like he just got absolutely destroyed.

1461
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 8: It's not always the case, but certainly this is not

1462
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 8: the morning on which people want to hear that noise.

1463
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 8: Let me just ask you this though about the third round,

1464
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,919
Speaker 8: and I hope people find this informative, if not wildly entertaining.

1465
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 8: So I guess I looked at that round three as

1466
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 8: an effective grappling round because Herb Dean really didn't so

1467
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 8: much as warn Jared over three and a half minutes

1468
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 8: or so. But I guess that would be control and

1469
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 8: not effective grappling. Is that right? So that would be

1470
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 8: a tertiary condition that I don't even consider because the

1471
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 8: grappling really wasn't effective. Like, I don't know if you

1472
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 8: were on the stream, but at one point my producer

1473
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 8: Zat Candido said, Hey, I don't know if it had

1474
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 8: been two and a half minutes, but not a single

1475
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 8: significant strike had been landed in the clinch by Jared.

1476
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with what you said that it's

1477
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 3: the tertiary condition. And as we said earlier, you don't

1478
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 3: go to that if they're strikes landed. You don't go

1479
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 3: to it after a submission at himt or effective aggression.

1480
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 3: You know, you would would you call that effective aggression.

1481
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 3: Maybe you could call getting into the clinch or pushing

1482
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: into the clinch as effective aggression, and then the clinch

1483
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't score because that's just control. But that doesn't score

1484
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: in any way like effective grappling. It's a weird thing, right.

1485
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: Effective striking is very easy to decipher. Okay, you throw

1486
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 3: a punch, you punch someone in the face, it's effective striking.

1487
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 3: If you push someone harder in the face, it's even

1488
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: more effective than that last punch.

1489
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 5: But effective grappling is a very, very different one.

1490
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 3: Because I like I this is a kind of a

1491
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 3: stupid example, right, But if you change from Soaupaul to orthodox,

1492
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 3: do you score for that? Should you score for that?

1493
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 3: I don't think you should. If you throw a punch

1494
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: out there and you move forward, should you score for that?

1495
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

1496
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 3: Why didn't just holding and getting into a single position?

1497
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: Should you score from it? Now, if you want to

1498
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 3: say that's an advantageous, and it could be, you will

1499
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 3: get the advantage with the effective striking of wrappling, and

1500
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 3: then you will score from that. So it's it's like

1501
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: people want to score twice from the same thing, and

1502
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 3: that to me is just wrong. So I think the

1503
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: criteria has written well there, that's how the criteria should

1504
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: be written. If a position is in fact advantage just

1505
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 3: you will get the advantage from it and score with

1506
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 3: that advantage, not score twice from it. So to me,

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01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 3: Jared Garden held him against the cage, and in fact,

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01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 3: you know what Paddy Unit said it afterwards and watching

1509
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 3: the back I kind of agree with him. Paddy actually

1510
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 3: held him in against the cage for large periods and

1511
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: that as well because he's footwaths are and he didn't

1512
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 3: want to get out. And look the strikes, you can

1513
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 3: decipher who won him or not. I thought Paddy landed

1514
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 3: a slightly better, but I can I can see someone

1515
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 3: looking at it the other way too.

1516
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 8: Quicker PSA sort of taken from a Sean Shean tweet.

1517
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 8: For five dollars a month, you can subscribe to the

1518
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 8: Severe MMA podcast Patreon and stop embarrassing yourselves with opinions

1519
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 8: on judging BT. Part of the solution, folks. And that

1520
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 8: I didn't say that.

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 5: I didn't say that.

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 8: Now someone else said that was okay, you reached weet? Okay,

1523
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 8: tweet honestly, like we are here trying to be a

1524
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 8: part of the solution, and that's why my mind is

1525
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 8: so open, especially after shows like this. I know we

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 8: only have a few more minutes with you, and I

1527
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 8: do need a budget more time from now on when

1528
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 8: you are on. But you did score the main event

1529
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 8: forty eight forty seven for Magamet on Kliath, So that

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 8: says to me that you did not find a ten

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01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 8: eight in there, but you found one of the first

1532
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 8: three rounds for Magamet.

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Speaker 7: Is that right?

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01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 5: I did Jah.

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Speaker 3: I went back and I watched that again, and I

1536
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 3: that first round is very close on rewatch, I scored

1537
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 3: the first round for Blahovich, so I might change my

1538
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: from three one to two three basically, but very very

1539
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 3: close the fifth round. I have no problem with someone

1540
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 3: given that a ten eighth. Now I'm doing the exact

1541
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: opposite of what I said about that prcenario. I'm trying

1542
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 3: to score to fight the way the judge score it.

1543
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 3: And now this is a positive coming from judge, and

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 3: I think from the week in the fact that round

1545
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 3: five was given as a ten eight, I think we've

1546
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: actually the last time we spoke about the ten eates changing,

1547
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 3: I think we've actually rolled back that a bit we've

1548
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: been seeing more ten eates again and that is great.

1549
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna have.

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01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: To adjust the way I'm talking about rounds again because hopefully, hopefully,

1551
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 3: hopefully it's gone back. I think the stats came up,

1552
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 3: and I'm not a big fan of stats, as you know,

1553
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 3: but I think it was seventeen strikes to zero in

1554
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 3: the fifth round? What four and a half minutes of

1555
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 3: ankle Ivan top of Bohovic And you said it on

1556
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: the broadcast, John, and I absolutely love that.

1557
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,879
Speaker 5: You go to the treats. Did he have dominance?

1558
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 3: Yes, I think everyone probably agreed with that. Did he

1559
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 3: have the duration he'd like four and a half minutes?

1560
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: Did he have the damage? I think he had damage, right, So,

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 3: before the ten eates changed a year ago or whenever,

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 3: I think that's a ten eight all day long. I

1563
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: think everyone gives that as a ten eight. After it,

1564
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 3: I don't think he had overwhelming damage. So that's why

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01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 3: I didn't score it a ten eight. But if we're

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: rolling in the back a bit, which I think is good,

1567
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 3: and it would get rid of all this nonsense about

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Speaker 3: half fine systems and all of that.

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 5: If we were to give the ten eights the way

1570
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 5: we used to score them.

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 3: That would solve a lot of problems like this and

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01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: decipher between That's almost what people talk about, isn't it.

1573
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: You can't decipher between a close round like the first

1574
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 3: round and like the fifth round boughted him ten nines. Well,

1575
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 3: one was a ten nine and one was a ten eight,

1576
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 3: and we decipher between him. That to me is exactly

1577
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 3: why the ten eight should be instituted and used the

1578
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 3: way it is.

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01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 5: So that to me was perfect.

1580
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 3: I didn't score it that way because I've been scoring

1581
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: it the new way, but maybe I need to adjust

1582
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: the way i'n scoring his own.

1583
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 8: And I know Mike Bell and he was the lone

1584
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 8: dissenting judge in that fifth round. He had a ten

1585
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 8: to nine, and I agree actually having watched it back,

1586
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 8: that that was a ten to nine and not a

1587
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 8: ten eight. But yes, to your point, twelve months ago

1588
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 8: or whatever that window was, there was definitely a window

1589
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 8: in which Mike Bell would have scored that fight that

1590
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 8: round ten eight. Oh man, this is absolutely fascinating. If

1591
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 8: you want more from Sean Sheen Sherlock dot com, severe

1592
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 8: MMA doing big things with the channel at Sean she

1593
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 8: and BA We got to figure out like a monthly segment.

1594
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 8: But I appreciate you stepping up on short notice and

1595
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 8: all the work you're doing honestly to try to inform people,

1596
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 8: because I know it can feel like a lost cause

1597
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 8: at times, and even sometimes you know we're friends, but

1598
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 8: I'm sure there are things even that I say as

1599
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 8: a USC commentator that you're just like Ah. And last

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Speaker 8: thing I'll say, real quick on the stats, Shannie, Okay,

1601
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 8: I guess so obviously there's two reasons why I would

1602
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 8: lean into them, and in some part because I know

1603
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 8: how hard those people work and I don't want to

1604
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 8: short of short change their work. But I also will

1605
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 8: say increasingly, Sean, their eyes are so trained that even

1606
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 8: if I'm one percent more in on stats than I

1607
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 8: was twelve months ago, like I know how their process

1608
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 8: is a little bit more than I knew twelve months ago,

1609
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 8: and I just feel like those numbers maybe have more

1610
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 8: value than I did when we even last spoke. So,

1611
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 8: for whatever that's worth, I.

1612
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 3: Think stats are like a very good thing for the

1613
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: fighters themselves and the coaches especially, you know, to see

1614
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: how many you know, bunches you're throwning around, and if

1615
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: you need to up your.

1616
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 5: Output or down, whatever it might be.

1617
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 3: And I think it's actually very good for you to

1618
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: use on commentary as well, for people to like, you know,

1619
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: people may be watching a fight for the first time

1620
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: or whatever, to kind of decipher okay, it gives you

1621
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: an idea who's in front. I think when we get

1622
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 3: a kind of mixed up with the actual decision in

1623
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: the end, that's where we started see that, you know,

1624
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 3: starting to have problems. I have no problem with the

1625
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 3: stats being said or anything like that, but it's just

1626
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 3: ever at the end of the fight deciphering them. That's

1627
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: that's the kind of the that's where we that's where

1628
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 3: we sometimes run sometimes running issues, especially like a fight

1629
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 3: we have where there's twenty strikes versus ten strikes with

1630
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 3: the ten strikes or ten yard garden left hooks, Yeah,

1631
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: you know they're gonna win that round all the time

1632
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 3: over twenty other strikes.

1633
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 7: All right.

1634
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 8: Check out the Severe MMA podcast Patreon. And I will

1635
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 8: say too, we obviously lean into the scoring with Sean Shean,

1636
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 8: but he can talk fights too, folks. I mean, he's

1637
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 8: got a lot of value beyond this particular corner. But

1638
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 8: Kenny and I find it wildly interesting and for me.

1639
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 8: You're one of the handful of authorities. So thank you, Sean,

1640
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 8: and we'll talk to you next month, if not sooner. Brother.

1641
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, guys any time. Thanks very much.

1642
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 8: There you are just at Sean shean Ba on Twitter.

1643
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 8: I am so into this stuff. I really am. Because

1644
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 8: an expert, I'm not.

1645
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 7: I mean, did you do you hear all the different

1646
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 7: scorecards across the board. First of all, he scored it

1647
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 7: the same way I saw it the second time round

1648
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 7: After watching it again, I'm not right wrong. Whatever, it's close.

1649
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 7: It's all close. You can see it a lot of

1650
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 7: different ways, from the Patty Pimblet fight, Jared Gordon fight

1651
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 7: to the anc Live and Bohobich fight. There's so many

1652
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 7: different ways to see it. And this is like again

1653
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 7: really looking at it with a critical eye. The scorecards

1654
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 7: all over the place, that's how close it was. So

1655
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 7: everyone stopped freaking the fl.

1656
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 8: And candidly if I'm sal Diamato right and I'm sitting

1657
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 8: there on my scorecard. I scored the first three rounds

1658
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 8: for Yambohovich and then round four for Maga mat Anklaive.

1659
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 8: I see what Anka Liab does in that fifth round,

1660
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 8: you know, and I kind of feel like this fight

1661
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 8: should be a draw, you know, so I score that

1662
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 8: ten eight right like, and you're not necessarily supposed to

1663
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 8: do that. You're really supposed to look at those five minutes.

1664
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 8: But you know, I can understand if you're sal right there.

1665
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 8: It's like, you know what, man on the on the

1666
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 8: strength of that fifth round, this fight's got to be

1667
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 8: a draws camp be a BOHOVI. It's win three two,

1668
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 8: And honestly, when I look at that fight, draw feels

1669
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 8: pretty equitable. All right, So much else happened at UFC

1670
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 8: two eighty two, and I do want to bring Brian

1671
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 8: Petrie into that conversation, So let's table the pronunciation of

1672
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 8: the week right now, and if we do have VP,

1673
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 8: can bring him in. Otherwise we're just going to move along.

1674
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 8: Of course we have Brian Petrie. Come, man, what's up

1675
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 8: at Brian Petrie? MMn? We're looking for good Saturday night.

1676
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 8: If you don't know, Brian Petrie ingested his first UFC

1677
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 8: pay per view in Las Vegas. How was that experience,

1678
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 8: young man? Unbelievable? So Friday was rough, We got through Friday,

1679
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 8: and Saturday was.

1680
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 12: It was a I mean, people recognize me. It was

1681
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 12: the weirdest thing in the world. I had English guys

1682
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 12: behind me. Guy, I'm not gonna do an English accent

1683
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 12: because it's terrible, but they're like, are you big done?

1684
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 12: Brian Peche I'm like yeah. And then when I bro

1685
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 12: hugged John, all the guys in my section like, I

1686
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 12: can't wait to see Enick. I want to get a

1687
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 12: picture in it because the rest walked by us and

1688
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 12: they freaked out. So Anick and I have bro hug

1689
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 12: and I turn around. There's like ten cameras on us.

1690
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 12: This guy comes up and goes, hey, uh, not to

1691
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 12: be how do you know? I was like, oh, he goes,

1692
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 12: oh okay, cool, looked all me confused, goes back to

1693
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 12: his buddies, and buddies are like, hey, how does he

1694
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 12: know him?

1695
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 8: He's like, I don't know.

1696
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 12: He's like produces this podcast. But all right, but uh no,

1697
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 12: I mean the fights are unbelievable. I mean, Chris Curtis,

1698
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 12: I mean, come on, you couldn't ask for a better,

1699
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 12: better Vegas trip for myself, and uh got to see

1700
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,520
Speaker 12: my Bengals went on Sunday, so it was unbelievable.

1701
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 8: Actually, I'm talent on the Anakin Floring podcast Focus. If

1702
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 8: you really want to know, right, Hatre I'm talent on

1703
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 8: the show. Yeah, well that's cool man. No, it's great

1704
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 8: to see you and obviously to see your guy get

1705
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 8: that type of win. And uh we shouted out the

1706
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 8: King of Combat.

1707
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 7: I love it.

1708
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 8: Yeah you were. You were dressed to the nines and

1709
01:18:58,160 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 8: I know my twin brother was excited to see you.

1710
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 8: It was very cool to have you in the building.

1711
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 8: And hey, man, when you arrive early, we can have

1712
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 8: a minute. It's kind of nice, you know.

1713
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, it was cool.

1714
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 8: All right, So we got to spend a few more

1715
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 8: minutes on UFC two eighty two, and I'm just telling you,

1716
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 8: I'm going to shortchange UFC fight and had Canadia versus Strickland.

1717
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 8: That's just the way it's going to be. We will

1718
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 8: get to main event prediction and time permitting predict those

1719
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 8: other three fights. But we haven't talked about so many

1720
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 8: things that happened. Huh. All right, so Ilio topodia over

1721
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 8: Bryce Mitchell. This Ilio topoitia is something else can flow.

1722
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 8: And Bryce Mitchell was dealing with a lot of different things, right.

1723
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 8: It took him like an otherworldly amount of time to

1724
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 8: get from Arkansas, like a full day late. He had

1725
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 8: one oh two fever during the week, and these are

1726
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 8: real circumstances for Bryce Mitchell. Like he was, he was

1727
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 8: really sick. I could tell in our fighter meeting he

1728
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 8: was not his jovial self, and our whole staff can

1729
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 8: attest to this. I actually had to pivot from asking

1730
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 8: fight questions to asking him about his farm because I

1731
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 8: was getting nothing, and he's usually very forthcoming and very willing,

1732
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 8: so I knew something was off, and I had a

1733
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 8: pretty good source suggested that he was not well. That

1734
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 8: doesn't say anything to take away from Ilio Topoitia canflow

1735
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 8: that looks like, you know, while being a bit undersized,

1736
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 8: could be a future UFC featherweight champion. We'll start with

1737
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 8: you flow. Would you think of Ilio Topuria over Bryce Mitchell.

1738
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 7: I think that he would have given Bryce Mitchell a

1739
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 7: big time problem even if he was one hundred percent why,

1740
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 7: just because the skills that he brings in there. I

1741
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 7: think that Eliot Toporia still is a little bit immature

1742
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 7: when it comes to his patience and composure in the octagon.

1743
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 7: I think he throws himself off balance some certain punches,

1744
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 7: but when you're talking about his skill set, this is

1745
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 7: a skill set that I think could be elite in

1746
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 7: that division. I truly do from his wrestling, his jiu

1747
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 7: jitsu to his striking, he's got a package that I

1748
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,879
Speaker 7: think it's going to be very difficult for people to defeat.

1749
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 7: I think that when you're talking about his overall skill set,

1750
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 7: how he's executing now, the experience that he's accruing, the

1751
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 7: level of competition, all that stuff's gonna be tough. It's

1752
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 7: unfortunate for Bryce because this was a big fight for him,

1753
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 7: but I think it was a big challenge. Nonetheless, I

1754
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 7: think it was going to come down to whether he

1755
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 7: was able to take down Toporia and keep him there.

1756
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 7: He wasn't able to do that, and again, whether that

1757
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 7: was because he was sick or not. It is tough.

1758
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 7: I think Bryce Mitchell will be back. But Toporia came

1759
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 7: up big in this pay per view. Man, A lot

1760
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 7: of eyes were on him and he beat a guy

1761
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 7: who a lot of people know is as tough as

1762
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 7: they come at Bryce Mitchell.

1763
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, Brian, I'm certainly not suggesting that if these guys

1764
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 8: are both one hundred percent that it's a Bryce Mitchell win.

1765
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 8: The majority of times. But uh man, this Tiporia. I mean,

1766
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 8: talk about a guy who's got any number of different

1767
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 8: ways to get you out of there and just goes

1768
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 8: for it, willing to get hit Like I love this guy.

1769
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it was a big swinging in this.

1770
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 12: On my part, I was actually confident Bryce Mitchell. I

1771
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 12: thought Toporia coming from a Greca Rowan background I had.

1772
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 12: I had flashbacks and Mark Matts and just getting taken down,

1773
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 12: you know, over and over by grand Dawson. So I'm like, Okay,

1774
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 12: Bryce is gonna do that. After that first exchange where

1775
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 12: Bryce went for a single and it was an easy stuff.

1776
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 12: And even though Toporia to me is a little undersize

1777
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 12: of me, he's compact. I was like, oh, this is

1778
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 12: this dude is okay that's gonna be an issue. And

1779
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,480
Speaker 12: obviously his hands are great, and I think he maximized

1780
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 12: his his profile this weekend. He killed at the press conference.

1781
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 12: He went after the biggest star in the card, Patty.

1782
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 12: They got some beef. I hope the UFC does not

1783
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 12: give him Patty because that's a bad matchup for Patty.

1784
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 12: But Tatoria is is very, very good and and and

1785
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 12: the reason I went Bryce for a lot of reasons.

1786
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 12: I thought Bryce could just grind him out, and then

1787
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 12: Cardio was in question. I thought maybe Toportio was feeling

1788
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 12: himself a.

1789
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 5: Little bit, but I was dead wrong.

1790
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 12: Uh to Poria that swagger, he's got that confidence he has,

1791
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 12: and he took some shots from Bryce too. There was

1792
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 12: a lot of left hands. He had a nice little

1793
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 12: black guy and the guy is the real deal, you know,

1794
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 12: No more fading him on my part.

1795
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 8: I gotta know how you saw the co main event

1796
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 8: before I get to some of these other standouts, so

1797
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 8: I didn't.

1798
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 12: I haven't watched it back. I meant to watch it back.

1799
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 12: I literally just got home from work, so I haven't

1800
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 12: watched back yet. But scoring it live, first round to

1801
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 12: me was all Gordon. Those left hooks were landing at will.

1802
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 12: Second round I edged to Patty, but it was very close,

1803
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 12: and the third round, depending how you saw it, I

1804
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 12: really wish, you know, because Jared Gordon is you know,

1805
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 12: a friend of the channel. With blow and blouse in

1806
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 12: the corner, I really wish Jared just kept it on

1807
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 12: the feet more because I know the second round Patty

1808
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 12: was landing shots, but those laves left hooks were there

1809
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 12: all day Long kept his composer and just landed a

1810
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 12: little more because you know, controlling against the cage.

1811
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 8: Is fine, but he didn't throw anything. It's like, I

1812
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 8: just need a little more.

1813
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 12: So the third round I did give the Patty just

1814
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 12: because it was so close, and everyone in this section

1815
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 12: was was sick, like, oh, I can't believe you know whatever,

1816
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 12: because he's so polarizing that it was a close fight,

1817
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 12: and he talked and people want to root against him,

1818
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 12: were really root for him. Close why he automatically loses

1819
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 12: to some of the public opinion, which I think is wrong.

1820
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 12: It was an extremely close fright, I can you know.

1821
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 12: Sean ce Han said that the best I can see

1822
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 12: it both ways those first two rounds, I thought, you know,

1823
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 12: first round it was a clear Gordon.

1824
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 8: Second round either but I gave it to Patty, and

1825
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 8: third was it was.

1826
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 5: A hard round of scores. There wasn't really really wasn't

1827
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 5: much going on.

1828
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 8: I don't think Gordon knew the extent to which Pimblet

1829
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 8: had that compromised wheel. And I think Jared was the

1830
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 8: fresher guy too. Kenny Jarzinio rosenstrike over Chris doccas the

1831
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 8: TKO comes at twenty three seconds of the first round.

1832
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 8: So Chris Daccas goes from being four and on the

1833
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 8: UFC with four knockouts to four and three and he

1834
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 8: loses successively to Derek Lewis, Curtis Blades, and Jarzenio rosenstrike.

1835
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 8: Now a lot of people are going to suggest a

1836
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 8: move to light heavyweight. I still think he would be

1837
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 8: giving up some speed there and even potentially some size.

1838
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 8: Oh I don't know. I mean, obviously there's a Biggie

1839
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 8: Boy side to celebrate, to be sure, and this gets

1840
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,439
Speaker 8: him back on a championship trajectory. But I do think

1841
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 8: the bigger story is Chris Dacas because it looks like

1842
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 8: a tale of two UFC careers and didn't have any

1843
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 8: answers for Biggie Boy.

1844
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 7: On the feet leading up to this fight, Chris was

1845
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 7: saying all the right things. You know, I'm not stupid,

1846
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 7: I'm not going to trade with this. I know I'm

1847
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 7: a black belt in Brazilian juitsu. I got to take

1848
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 7: this fike to the ground. I know exactly what I

1849
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 7: need to do now. In order to get to the clinch.

1850
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 7: In order to get your takedowns, you need to set

1851
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 7: things up with strikes it is one thing to set

1852
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 7: up your grappling, set up your takedowns with strikes, and

1853
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 7: it's another thing to just strike. To me, and I

1854
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 7: think this is the case kind of with his brother

1855
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 7: as well. They either go from striking mode to grappling mode.

1856
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 7: There is no seamless transition into doing a full mixed

1857
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 7: martial arts like skill set of going of blending in

1858
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 7: the strikes with your takedown. He was standing right in

1859
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 7: front of Rosens Strike throwing a combination, just sitting there

1860
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 7: boom boom, looking for a one two and just watching

1861
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 7: his work. You can't do that against someone like Roses Strike.

1862
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 7: Either get the hell out or get the hell in

1863
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 7: and look for a clinch. And he was in no

1864
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 7: man's land, and you don't want to be in no

1865
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 7: man's land striking with someone like Rosens Strike. Christaccas is

1866
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 7: too small for heavyweight. He should be at two five

1867
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 7: in my opinion. Even at two o five, as you mentioned,

1868
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 7: he's not going to be the biggest duo fiverer either,

1869
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 7: So he's got some work to get his body down

1870
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 7: there and then maybe put on some muscle whatever. But

1871
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 7: he's in a weird spot right now. But I don't

1872
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 7: think he's a heavyweight and he's got to figure some

1873
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 7: stuff out, but he's got to blend his whole skill

1874
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 7: set together. He's just not looking comfortable out there, and

1875
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 7: this is a tough one for him.

1876
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 10: Man.

1877
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 8: Anything else that we need to touch on? Brian Petrie,

1878
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 8: Edmund Schabazi in good comeback fight for him against all

1879
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,480
Speaker 8: Shaloon Gamboula, love the fact that they handed out nine bonuses.

1880
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 8: Let's talk about Chris Curtis over Walking Buckley, because Woking

1881
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 8: Buckley is a really explosive athlete and I still believe

1882
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 8: if Buckley gets a new contract that he's gonna knock

1883
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 8: a lot of midweights out. But your guy, Chris Curtis

1884
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 8: is really really good, And I guess I just don't

1885
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,440
Speaker 8: know where to begin as far as the career retrospective,

1886
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 8: Like why did it take him so long to get here?

1887
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 8: And why is he realizing such overwhelming success against a

1888
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 8: really good strength of schedule, despite having sort of being

1889
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 8: painted with a brush of a guy who was nothing

1890
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 8: more than a journeyman when he came.

1891
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 5: In, right.

1892
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I was really upset that.

1893
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 12: I think if he was on any other episode of

1894
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 12: Contender series, he would have he would have got on

1895
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 12: that Sean Loy hook kick knock.

1896
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 5: I was amazing.

1897
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 12: But he was on the Greg Hardy episode, he was

1898
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 12: on the you know Lozzo benefit episodes. So it was

1899
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 12: like he was the only one that didn't fight in

1900
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 12: UOC for a while and he was crushed by the

1901
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 12: way by that guy.

1902
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, he was.

1903
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 12: He was almost done, like we talked, and I was.

1904
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 12: I was severely upset. I think he's made the right things.

1905
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 12: I think the only critique I could have gave him

1906
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 12: was he should have got out of Cincinni a little earlier.

1907
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 12: He was kind of splitting time between Cincinnati and Timaka

1908
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 12: to California, and then the big change was going to Vegas,

1909
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 12: going to Vegas and going, I'm all in. You know,

1910
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 12: he's got a son here, he's got a life here,

1911
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 12: but he's like, I'm all in. Matched up with John Wood,

1912
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 12: I believe first, and then he went to Nixic and

1913
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 12: it just kind of changed his career around the big

1914
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 12: The big hurdle was obviously all just take him down,

1915
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 12: just take him down. His wrestling is not that good.

1916
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 12: He fixed that, right, he fixed that and going eighty five,

1917
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 12: he used to kill his bob You go to seventy.

1918
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 12: I've always said he's a smaller eighty five. He looked

1919
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 12: bigger than ware Keem Buckley and there significantly bigger than

1920
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 12: me live and Buckley's a pretty rich dad.

1921
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 5: I know he's not the.

1922
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 12: Biggest eighty fiver, but Chris out of some size and

1923
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 12: look good. And I love what he said is both fight.

1924
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 12: He's like, I'm thirty five. This kid's super fast. I

1925
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 12: had to beat him with timing. I'd have beat him

1926
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 12: with you know, timing because I'm not going to beat

1927
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 12: him with speed. And that's exactly what he did. You know,

1928
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 12: his defensive you know liabilities are so great. That's why

1929
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 12: the Ray Cooper fight always sticks out of my head

1930
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 12: because that wasn't Chris. You know, Chris retired, was eating

1931
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 12: and you know, a cinnamon bun and they're like, hey,

1932
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 12: you want to fight Ray Cooper. Yeah, let's go, And

1933
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 12: he got emotional because that's who he's wanted to fight.

1934
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 12: But yeah, I'm just overwhelmed with Exuccess because he is

1935
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 12: a really good person. He's done a lot for me personally.

1936
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 12: I've been with him since his fourth pro fight. He

1937
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 12: had a bunch of amateur fights as well. And at

1938
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 12: the gym in Cincinnati, there's a lot of guys that

1939
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 12: came through that gym. And again, I don't want to

1940
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 12: keep talking about myself, but the one thing I've I've

1941
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 12: always been good at is is it's like seeing talent.

1942
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 12: And I just thought he was head and shoulders above

1943
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 12: everybody there. The guy would sleep on the mats, the

1944
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 12: guy I would take a bus there and not leave.

1945
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 12: And I just thought, you know, you get into a

1946
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 12: bigger market like a Vegas or something like that, you're

1947
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 12: gonna really shine.

1948
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 5: I think that's what it is.

1949
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 12: He's thirty five years old. It just turned thirty five.

1950
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 12: And yeah, I mean in his strengthen the schedule, like

1951
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 12: you said, he's four and one DFC. And then the

1952
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 12: loss was to an elite guy on short notice, you know,

1953
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 12: frustrating fight for him.

1954
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 5: But I couldn't be happy for him. I really was.

1955
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 5: I literally lost my voice. I screamed, I went nuts.

1956
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 5: It was every young characteristic of me.

1957
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 12: I'm usually pretty like, okay, you know, I'm nervous, but

1958
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 12: I mean I was like a little girl screaming when

1959
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 12: he won a little bit of a comeback as well,

1960
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 12: because you know, even though he wasn't taking big shots,

1961
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 12: he was getting hit, wasn't doing enough, and then he

1962
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 12: finally found that caught the kick and found that left hand,

1963
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 12: and he smoked Buckley in the first round, like the

1964
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 12: first minute with a left hand, and I jumped out

1965
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 12: of my seat.

1966
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 5: I thought that was it, dude, he smoked him, and

1967
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's it. And then Buckley took it well.

1968
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 5: I was like, oh god, he took that really well.

1969
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 8: Pretty good wins list for Curtis, right, Brendan Allen, Adolpho

1970
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 8: Vie to Phil Hawes, and now Joaquin Buckley. Float Drake

1971
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 8: is duplus C over darreun Til submission, Wikipedia calling it

1972
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 8: a face crank at two forty three of round three.

1973
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 8: I want to get your thoughts on Till and dupleus C.

1974
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 8: I do have to say though, early on in this fight, right,

1975
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 8: Mark Smith is warning Till as he's absorbing some of

1976
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 8: these strikes in the clinch, and Till really felt like

1977
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 8: he had to sort of protest with the referee to

1978
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 8: make sure that he allowed him the chance to stay

1979
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 8: in this fight. And I don't really know why I

1980
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 8: bring it up and why I feel so strongly opinionated

1981
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 8: about it. I guess I would just say that if

1982
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 8: Mike Beltron was the referee there, Till's not getting so

1983
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,919
Speaker 8: much as a warning. Mike Beltron's not even moving closer,

1984
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 8: closing the distance, right because he just doesn't feel like

1985
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 8: these are hugely significant strikes. Now, some of the strikes

1986
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 8: were damaging. I will acknowledge that, yeah, but I hated

1987
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 8: that Darren Till had to continue to give the thumbs

1988
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 8: up and say, dude, I'm fine, I'm trying to like

1989
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 8: defend like I need my hands. You can't always, as

1990
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 8: a fighter in intelligently defend by completely covering up like

1991
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 8: you know. I don't know, man, I felt for Till

1992
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 8: in that situation. I really did, like, you shouldn't have

1993
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,879
Speaker 8: to be spending time, you know, campaigning with the referee

1994
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 8: to stay in the fight.

1995
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think some of it was his own doing, though.

1996
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 7: I mean, he literally was posting. He had one foot

1997
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 7: on the ground. He was posting with his knee and

1998
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 7: his hand on the mat, and he could have easily

1999
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 7: just stood up like it was almost like he was

2000
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 7: content to do. I don't know if he had an

2001
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 7: existing injury heading into that fight or something, but something

2002
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 7: was off his stance again. Is it a compromise knee

2003
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 7: or something, But he looked like he was really off

2004
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 7: balance and just really heavy on one leg or just

2005
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 7: seemed to be off and he was getting taken down

2006
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 7: with ease. This is a Darren Till that's been around

2007
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 7: the game for a long time. Darren Till is a

2008
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 7: talented fighter. He's got a ton of potential and to see.

2009
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 13: Zero improvement in that regard was really frustrating because you know,

2010
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,560
Speaker 13: I was Darren Till fan the first time, you know,

2011
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,520
Speaker 13: we saw him fight and you saw his trajectory.

2012
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 7: He was moving up really fast, and he was talking

2013
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 7: a good game. He was performing really well. He had

2014
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 7: some great performances and now it seems like he's taking

2015
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 7: steps backwards in his game, which is really unfortunate. Now,

2016
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 7: is his injuries that he's experiencing before the fight, during

2017
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 7: the fight, whatever's going on. Something needs to change, because

2018
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 7: he could find himself outside of the UFC, which would

2019
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:31,839
Speaker 7: be crazy.

2020
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 8: But this was tough.

2021
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 7: I think duplus C is a tough dude. He's got

2022
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 7: you know, a decently you know, well rounded skill set.

2023
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 7: Is he a future champion? I just don't see it.

2024
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 7: He's just not clean with his technique. He's a tough guy.

2025
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 7: He gets it done with toughness and conditioning and strength,

2026
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 7: but he's not a highly technical fighter. And losing against

2027
01:32:56,479 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 7: someone like that, no disrespect to Duplissy. I think was

2028
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 7: a huge step backwards for Darren Till big step forwards

2029
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 7: for duplus Ce. But man, the sports nuts.

2030
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 8: H Brady got anything on that fight before we move.

2031
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 12: On, Yeah, it was upsetting. I'm a tear until fan.

2032
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 12: I want a lot of money on this fight with Cowboy,

2033
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 12: and I just think technically is great. I love the

2034
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 12: Whitaker fight and Kenny and I were texting during this fight.

2035
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 12: I just it was a really weird performance from him.

2036
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 12: Like the first round it could have been a ten eight,

2037
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 12: he kind of stayed himself from a ten eight. At

2038
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 12: the very end, he reversed position and started laying with

2039
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 12: some big shots. Second round, he's piecing him up, and

2040
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 12: I know there was a knee bar that happened that possibly.

2041
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 8: Hurt his knee or he already had an e knee injury.

2042
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 7: Whatever.

2043
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 12: In the third round, he's just staring at du plus

2044
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 12: He just staring at him and he's not going and

2045
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 12: Kenny pointing out all his all his flaws with maybe

2046
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 12: his stance, and I think it's also a confidence issue

2047
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 12: as well. I'm not really sure where his mind's at.

2048
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 12: He stayed he doesn't want main events, and you know,

2049
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 12: I don't know where the pressure is. He kind of

2050
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 12: semi retired on I don't know if you guys saw

2051
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 12: that video where he's like, I'm not retiring, but I

2052
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 12: need a break.

2053
01:33:58,320 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 8: But then he wants to come back next year and

2054
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 8: it's like, I don't you know. It was a lot

2055
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 8: of kind of like nixed signals to me.

2056
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 12: But that was upsetting. But yeah, do plus he's again

2057
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 12: I agree with Kenny. I think he's a tough guy.

2058
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 12: You know, good cardio, good conditioning and obviously strong. But

2059
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 12: I don't know the ceiling. But yeah, very bummed out

2060
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 12: about till I.

2061
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 8: Think du plus he is probably going to get a

2062
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 8: main event. I think he is a guy who can

2063
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 8: usher in that South African market. But uh yeah, there

2064
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,680
Speaker 8: are a lot of tough tests for him. At eighty five,

2065
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,759
Speaker 8: Santiago Ponzinibio, we congratulate him. Rallies to beat Alex Morono,

2066
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 8: one of nine Bonus winners at UFC two to eighty two,

2067
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 8: all right time for the main event challenges, we spin

2068
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 8: it forward. We have three selections for you. Final UFC

2069
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 8: Live event of twoenty twenty two before an extended break.

2070
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 8: It's UFC Fight Night, Cannonia versus Strickland. First pick for

2071
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 8: us is going to be a lightweight where Drew Dober

2072
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 8: finds himself a minus one fifty betting favorite against Bobby

2073
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 8: king Green, who comes back plus one thirty. So Dober

2074
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 8: goes oh to two and twenty twenty one now two

2075
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 8: and ozer with as many finishes here in two twenty two.

2076
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 8: On the other side, you may recall Bobby Green fight

2077
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 8: fought twice in a fourteen day span in February, stepped

2078
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 8: into that short notice main event against the now champion

2079
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 8: islam Mai Kashev. That was two weeks after a win

2080
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 8: over Nasrat Hack. Pressed pretty close on the number here,

2081
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 8: Brian Petrie, which way you're going, Drew Dover or Bobby

2082
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 8: king Green?

2083
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 12: Final pick of the year final for Kenny and I

2084
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 12: I don't know who's up. If Cody can chase that number,

2085
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 12: that'd be great. I think I know it's very very close.

2086
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 12: This fight, however, I think, is going to be a

2087
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 12: banger I mean, I do two veterans. They like to

2088
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 12: stand up. I know, the path of victory for Bobby Green,

2089
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 12: in my opinion, is to maybe take Dredover down.

2090
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 8: Drew Doover has proven to be a little stagnant.

2091
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 5: Off his back. He's kind of hard to take down.

2092
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 8: But who gets there.

2093
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 5: He just does whatever.

2094
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 12: But Bobby Green's game is usually take you down and

2095
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 12: let you back up, get you tired, because he's not

2096
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 12: gonna get tired, and he does.

2097
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 5: That slick shit.

2098
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 7: You know, he's got the shoulder roll.

2099
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 5: Great head movement.

2100
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 12: I wish some counters would come off of that, because

2101
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 12: then he would be really dangerous. Drew Dover, He's got

2102
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,719
Speaker 12: a head like a coke machine. This guy, you can't

2103
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 12: hurt him. Two really impressive performers that Hawfi Alailva's fight

2104
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 12: who he last time he fought Alva is a do

2105
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 12: for fifty five and he was thrown from his hip

2106
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 12: and Dover just eat it. Dover, I think is gonna

2107
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 12: miss a lot, but I like the Lake kicks on him.

2108
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 12: I think if you really take out some Bobby Green wheels,

2109
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 12: you can find some success. Drew Dover is not gonna

2110
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 12: take a step back. It really all depends on what

2111
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 12: Bobby Green's going to show up, because I do think

2112
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 12: he's very good. I think this is going to be

2113
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,759
Speaker 12: a decision win for Drew Dover.

2114
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 8: So I like Dover as the money line pick. I

2115
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 8: like over two and a half or by decision, whatever

2116
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 8: book gives you the better number.

2117
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 5: But yeah, this would be a fun fight. Give me

2118
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 5: Drew Doover.

2119
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 8: Kenny right now on DraftKings sportsbook Drew Dober minus won

2120
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 8: fifty Bobby Green plus one thirty. Obviously you beat both

2121
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,560
Speaker 8: of these guys in your prime, but we need to

2122
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 8: know who wins when they go head to head.

2123
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 7: You're very kind, John Listen. I think Brian did a

2124
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 7: great breakdown of this fight. I think it's really close

2125
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 7: to cal and because of that, I'm going with the underdog.

2126
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 7: I think Drew Dover does have a good chin, no

2127
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:55,839
Speaker 7: question about that. He's very tough, but so is Bobby.

2128
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:58,639
Speaker 7: I just think Drew gets hit a little bit too much.

2129
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 7: But if Bobby catches you too much, then you could

2130
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 7: get slept or getting out pointed. So I'm gonna go

2131
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 7: with the other dog. I like Bobby.

2132
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 8: Here yea by next up also at one hundred and

2133
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 8: fifty five pounds.

2134
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:10,560
Speaker 7: I don't know.

2135
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 8: If ken Flop beats both of these guys, that is fine,

2136
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 8: but maybe no. All right, Number nine Armand Sawakian minus

2137
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 8: one eighty twelfth ranked demir Is Magoulav plus one fifty five.

2138
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 8: Saraikian hasn't fought actually since that main event lost to

2139
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 8: Mattauj Gamrop back in June. On the other side, is

2140
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 8: Magoulav sort of the unknown quantity in this top fifteen

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01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 8: at lightweight. He's won nineteen in a row. He's twenty

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Speaker 8: four and one overall, five to zero in the UFC,

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01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 8: and Brian as you know, a lot of film on him,

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01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 8: all five of his UFC wins by decision, including the

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01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 8: last one to split over Guram Kutata Ladze in Austin,

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01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 8: Texas back in June. Comin event, Saraikion or is Magoulav

2147
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 8: for you?

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01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 5: I love this fight?

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01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 12: Shout out the Annaknifornian podcast Twitter channel. They put out

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01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 12: a video of Kenny from UFC Undisputed. I think it

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01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 12: was three of the shadow boxing and you know his

2152
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 12: little character maybe one to run out and get the

2153
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 12: video game. I know it's older man that excited me.

2154
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 12: This fight's great.

2155
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 5: These are two.

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01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 12: Guys that are a little one in the radar shricine

2157
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 12: I think is above the radar. But then he took

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01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 12: a little step back with the game fight, which I

2159
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 12: thought he won. I went back and rewatched that when

2160
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 12: I was in Vegas, because I knew we're doing the picks.

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01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 5: It was so close. I wish Yurukin didn't shoot as much.

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01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 12: Be confident a little bit in your hands, because he

2163
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 12: just kept rushing the takedowns and it's like h and

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01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:24,759
Speaker 12: they were getting stuff, which isn't.

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Speaker 5: A good optics.

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Speaker 12: Then you got his mcgoulo off. I think it's a

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01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 12: guy that no one's talking about. This guy's fucking twenty

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Speaker 12: four and one, and outside of the UFC, he was

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01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 12: finishing a lot of people. I know he hasn't had

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01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 12: that success in the UFC. His striking's good. Is taking

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01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 12: on offenses good. His submissions are good, and he's a

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01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 12: glock to handle on their His kicks are great to

2173
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 12: the body. He sets everything up. He's not the fastest guy,

2174
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 12: he's very precise. This is a really hard fight to pick.

2175
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 12: And when when you get hard fights like this, to me,

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01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 12: I lean dog, I go dog. And I like the

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Speaker 12: dog number and is mgoulo off here. I think he's

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01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 12: a guy that a lot of people aren't talking about.

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Speaker 12: And I think it's going to be a really close

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01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 12: decision or possible Ismaguov is gonna take over on the

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01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 12: feet because I think he has a possibilit to do that.

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01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 5: Give me the dog though, babe, let's go.

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01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 8: I like it nicely done, and I appreciate the homework

2184
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 8: on the road. Can flow Arman saur Kian or tamir

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01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:10,560
Speaker 8: Is magoulav for you?

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01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 7: I think is mcgouloff is a fantastic striker. Is he

2187
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 7: head and shoulders above someone like seruki on on the feet? No,

2188
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 7: I don't think so. Now let's talk about the grappling.

2189
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 7: I think Arma Serukion has a much larger advantage, you know,

2190
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 7: in the grappling department than Ismagouloff has in the striking department.

2191
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 7: So I think Arman's got to mix in his mix

2192
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,959
Speaker 7: in his strikes, especially with his kicks. Keep is mcgooloff

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01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 7: on the outside and then start integrating some wrestling, try

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01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 7: to put Ismagooloff on his back. I think he can

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01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 7: do that. I think he can outpoint him. I do

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01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 7: think this is a close fight. I'm curious to see

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01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 7: if Ismagouloff has what it takes. I just like Sarukian's

2198
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 7: strength of schedule so far, and I'm taking him because

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01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 7: of it.

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01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 8: Nice, all right, Kenny, back to you on the main

2201
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 8: event final Selection of twenty twenty two, and I will

2202
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 8: get the records out there. Brian Peatrie one O two

2203
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 8: and sixty five Kenny ninety six and seventy one, so

2204
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 8: head to head, picking every fight. Brian Peatrie takes home

2205
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 8: the twenty twenty two championship. But as I mentioned, for

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01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 8: better or for worse, it's all coming back under my

2207
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 8: control come January fourteenth, twenty twenty three, and then you

2208
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,679
Speaker 8: guys are going to know acutely exactly every goddamn week

2209
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,560
Speaker 8: exactly how much money you have made or lost for

2210
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 8: the viewership period. Not that anyone else is bad, justin

2211
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 8: that I'm taking it back exactly. I'm taking it back.

2212
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 8: Main Event Sean Strickland minus one twenty, the Killer Gorilla,

2213
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 8: Jared Cannoneer, the even money underdog plus one hundred as

2214
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 8: they say nowadays, always used to be even money. This

2215
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 8: plus one hundred. Shit, Get the fuck out of here.

2216
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 8: Cannoneir coming off the title lights to a title loss

2217
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 8: to Isra, A lot of signing Back in July, Strickland

2218
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 8: losing by knockout to the now champion Elected Data that

2219
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 8: same night UFC two seventy six can't flow. Sean Strickland

2220
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 8: slightly the favorite. Are you going favorite or underdog to

2221
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 8: close out the year?

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01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think Strickland is extremely durable. I like his

2223
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 7: pressure style of fighting, and I think it's going to

2224
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 7: take Cannoneer a little bit to get adjusted to it. However,

2225
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 7: if someone gets the finish here, I think it's Cannoneer.

2226
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 7: I think cannon Eir will be able to withstand some

2227
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,679
Speaker 7: of that pressure. I think he will be able to adjust,

2228
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 7: and you just can't continue to come forward with your

2229
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 7: chin high against someone like Cannoneer. I think cannon Air

2230
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 7: will find it and if he does, he's put you in,

2231
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 7: putting you to sleep, period. So this is a tough

2232
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 7: fight for Sean Strickland. I think can he win this?

2233
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2234
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 7: Absolutely. I think Sean is extremely durable, very tough. But

2235
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 7: I like Cannoneer. I think his experience and his power

2236
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 7: is going to be the difference in this one. So

2237
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:50,719
Speaker 7: I guess I'm taking the underdog.

2238
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 8: It is amazing that we now talk about Cannon Ear

2239
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 8: as this credentialed experience guy, because for so long the

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01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 8: knock on him was that he just didn't have the experience,

2241
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 8: and now he's a and I do think Kenny, it's

2242
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 8: a worthwhile part of the Handicap Bride final selection of

2243
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 8: the year. Which way you going? Yeah, So I'm bummed

2244
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 8: out for many reasons for missing Friday.

2245
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 12: Chris invade Mede a team dinner, and I just want

2246
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 12: to meet Son Strickland sef He's a real person, because

2247
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 12: this guy is interesting as they come.

2248
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 5: But you know, he's got the interesting fight style.

2249
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 8: He holds his hands kind of like almost he's holding

2250
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 8: a broom.

2251
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 12: He's almost basically sideways and Kenny's right, he throws his

2252
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 12: chin up in the air. It's a little weird, and

2253
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 12: he loves the spar He makes no different bets about it.

2254
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 12: He goes out there and says, I want to spar

2255
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 12: everyone every time he posts videos of it. Problem is this,

2256
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 12: are you correcting the things that you are making mistakes

2257
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 12: in the Perira fight and the other fights, and when

2258
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 12: you make those mistakes against a guy like Jericha Naanier

2259
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 12: killer gorilla who's got muscle on his fucking teeth. That's

2260
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 12: going to be a problem. And I absolutely love Kenner's

2261
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 12: leg kicks as well. I think those are dangerous. I

2262
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 12: think Sean leaves his leg out there and this is

2263
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 12: a five round fight, and Kenny approved, even being muscled up,

2264
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 12: he can go five hard rounds, and so I'm with

2265
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 12: Kenny here.

2266
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:57,679
Speaker 5: I think the power's gonna make a difference.

2267
01:42:57,680 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 12: You know, you got Sean Strickland doesn't really have the

2268
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 12: biggest power, but he's got a lot of pressure and

2269
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 12: he's gonna put it in your face a little bit.

2270
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 8: I think ken Here's gonna start a little slow, chip

2271
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 8: away a little bit and lay in a big shot.

2272
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 8: I like ken here by koh here give me the

2273
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 8: dog as well. Cannon are orthodontis in Arizona's Like, dude,

2274
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 8: I've never seen muscle on teeth before. I don't know

2275
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 8: exactly how to nab product. Brian Peatree Mma is the

2276
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 8: handle on social media. Hey appreciate your contributions. Want to

2277
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 8: figure out a way to have you involved in the

2278
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 8: UH the Awards show later this year, so stay tuned

2279
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 8: for that. But Uh, great to see a few days ago,

2280
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 8: and uh wish you and the family all the best

2281
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 8: with everything you guys are going through. And uh, thank you.

2282
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 8: We will talk to you before the year is out,

2283
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 8: to be sure, but enjoy some time. And thanks for

2284
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:38,520
Speaker 8: all your contributions.

2285
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 7: Kit.

2286
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 8: We appreciate you.

2287
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,679
Speaker 12: No, thank you guys. Thank you, Kenny, thank you Cody,

2288
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 12: thank you John. You guys changed my life this year.

2289
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 12: I mean I started kind of full time a little

2290
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 12: bit around the March area. Uh, it's been incredible. I mean,

2291
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 12: this is what I want to do. This is my life,

2292
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 12: this is my passion. And without you guys, I would

2293
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 12: to be here. Without you guys, I wouldn't have got

2294
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 12: recognized at the fucking fights, which is still crazy. Uh

2295
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 12: And and listen, it's just it's just been awesome. This

2296
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 12: is this is my highlight of my week and you

2297
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 12: guys are the best. And it's still like I still

2298
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 12: have to like before we get on, I still have

2299
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 12: to tell myself, Okay, you're huge fans of these guys,

2300
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,639
Speaker 12: but let's let's fucking keep.

2301
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 5: And let's fucking get out the picks. Thank you so much.

2302
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 12: Merry Christmas to everyone, Happy Honukah, whatever, you celebrate. Uh

2303
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 12: and uh, yeah, we'll talk to you in the year.

2304
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 8: It looks like you got a big supporter in Brendan

2305
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 8: shab long time support program.

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01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, thank you b Shop for that as well.

2307
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:28,640
Speaker 5: So thank you.

2308
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 8: Everybody kill it every week, buddy, and you can always

2309
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 8: tell people that you beat James Krause in a head

2310
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:34,520
Speaker 8: to head competition.

2311
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 10: I don't know.

2312
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 12: I was trying to brag at the fights, but I

2313
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 12: feel like if I brought his name up him, I'd

2314
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:41,759
Speaker 12: have got kicked out of the buildings.

2315
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 10: I kept it a little.

2316
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 8: It's so funny, right, everybody's so afraid as if it's

2317
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 8: the elephant in the room. I've done two shows. I

2318
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 8: brought his name up on both, not necessarily by design,

2319
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 8: but yeah, factors prominently was supposed to be in TJ.

2320
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 8: Brown's corner, right, and uh, this podcast has my name model.

2321
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 8: I could say whatever I want. Thank you, Brian, Thank

2322
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 8: thank you, guys.

2323
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

2324
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 8: Seey, there is Brian Petree with us every week that

2325
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 8: there are fights at the very least. All right, we

2326
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 8: have some Merrow seconds, as we call him, the executive producer,

2327
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 8: Cody Merrow, really the lifeblood of the program that doesn't

2328
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 8: necessarily always get the creditor of the shine that he deserves.

2329
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 8: So Cody needless to say, you could take the wheels

2330
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 8: off of this whole operation with one phone call.

2331
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 7: So I thought Brian. I thought Brian Petrie was the

2332
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:24,839
Speaker 7: producer of this podcast.

2333
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 5: I was gonna say.

2334
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 9: I was like, damn, man, I can't get no respect,

2335
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 9: no respect Brazilian Portuguese on the outro of the show.

2336
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 9: I can't get any damn respecting here.

2337
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 8: So I I got, as luck would have it, I

2338
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 8: got to do another podcast in nine minutes. So we're

2339
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 8: on the clock a little bit.

2340
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 9: Uh yeah, getting short changed by my own talent.

2341
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 8: That's fine. Oh, I mean I budgeted nine minutes. I

2342
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 8: mean I thought that's pretty good. You usually go too,

2343
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 8: that's good.

2344
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's more than I pay for on the show.

2345
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 9: So so to touch on some so, I did tweet

2346
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 9: right after the fight, uh that Chared was robbed. So

2347
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 9: I think Sean was throwing little shots at me a

2348
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 9: little bit there in the in the that segment. Well,

2349
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 9: we had we had some friendly discourse on Twitter, and

2350
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 9: at the end of the day, I'm not a judge

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01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 9: nor a commentator, so I can make these comments.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I should read what I said about

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01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,839
Speaker 8: what I texted Jared Gordon, right, because I still believe

2354
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 8: at my core that he won the fight. But yeah,

2355
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 8: I thought the decision was trash in the moment.

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01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 9: Well, and so the only I think Kenny disagreed with

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01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 9: how I scored it as well, but that me and

2358
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 9: Kenny are friendly and he can kick my ass. So

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01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 9: I don't say anything to Kenny. But the only reason

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01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 9: that I brought it up is because Sean kept saying madness.

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Speaker 9: You know, to call it a rob really, well, call

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Speaker 9: me fucking crazy, because I think Jared got robbed.

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Speaker 8: I'm trying to sell merch.

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Speaker 8: the store. That's our little honor for Jared Gordon. That's fun,

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Speaker 8: it's good for you.

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Speaker 9: So a couple of notes there on UFC two eighty two,

2373
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 9: you pretty much touched on everything as far as all

2374
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 9: the finishes went Cameron Simon obviously in TJ. Brown at

2375
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 9: the beginning of the card. Both I think were things

2376
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 9: that didn't maybe get as much shine because they were

2377
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 9: so early. Bryce Mitchell did reveal on social media that

2378
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 9: he was battling the flu about a week ago, so

2379
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 9: it attributed to his performance. John, I know that was

2380
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 9: something that you kind of fell after the after the

2381
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 9: fights was an impact, So I just wanted to give

2382
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 9: you a chance to talk about that.

2383
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean my source didn't even reach out until

2384
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 8: after the fact as far as the totality of what

2385
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 8: he was dealing with. But yeah, I guess it's just

2386
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 8: like I guess Kenny. For me, I just felt like

2387
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 8: Bryce Mitchell is really one of those guys who would

2388
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 8: go to sleep in a bloodshoke, right, like if he

2389
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 8: was healthy, you know, Like, I just don't think he

2390
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 8: cares like he I don't know. I would like some

2391
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 8: guys say they're willing to die in there and you

2392
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 8: really believe them, and so I don't know. I mean,

2393
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 8: maybe if we had Bryce on in the future, that

2394
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 8: would be a question, right, because it's not always the

2395
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 8: wisest thing, right, like to not tap right, Like I'm

2396
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 8: not saying that's like the good thing or that. I

2397
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 8: just he strikes me as a guy who wouldn't have

2398
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 8: tapped that quickly if he was healthy. But I guess

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01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 8: that's neither here nor there being.

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01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 7: Six is a real thing, man, that that will affect you,

2401
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 7: that that's got to be super rough, especially given how

2402
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 7: tough that matchup.

2403
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 11: Was for him.

2404
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, what else you gonna get?

2405
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 5: Probably not the easiestway cut.

2406
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 9: I mean he's pretty big, So no, you got to

2407
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 9: deal with that too.

2408
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 7: That's horrible.

2409
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 9: So du plus C's four consecutive wins ties champ Alex

2410
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 9: Pajeda at one eighty five, as well as Roman Delidze,

2411
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 9: who we also saw recently, and Andre Petrowski at one

2412
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 9: eighty five. The only other win streak longer is Area

2413
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 9: Munize at five.

2414
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 8: I just thought it was some context there. Yeah, I

2416
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,679
Speaker 8: mean you can main event Moon is with the Lidza.

2417
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 8: I mean, there's so many options now with some of

2418
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 8: those guys, I'd like to see them get on the

2419
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 8: poster wan.

2420
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, And just to touch on Deleds, he moved up

2421
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 9: to number eight in the middle of eight rankings, and

2422
01:48:57,320 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 9: then the only real big change was Pavlovich up to

2423
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 9: number three. I'm not sure if the means have been

2424
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 9: updated so far because we're on East Coast time, but

2425
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 9: it is what it is there. The last point on

2426
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 9: two eighty two was Shabazian's and thirty four days since

2427
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 9: his last win. He's only twenty five years old.

2428
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 8: John, I know you mentioned the.

2429
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 9: Broadcast that Ali Abdelazi's pulling him back was kind of

2430
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 9: a big reason for that that delay in fighting, and

2431
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 9: I think it was obviously the right move.

2432
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 8: You know, he's really young in his career, so uh

2433
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 8: good to see him get back on the horse. And

2434
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 8: mcmahonard deserves credit there too, right because sometimes with your talent, however, Marquee,

2435
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 8: you don't just want to shell them for a year, right,

2436
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 8: You have roster slots. You want guys to fight. So

2437
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,560
Speaker 8: good on Mick for giving Shabazi in the requisite developmental

2438
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 8: time to rebuild.

2439
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 9: So the big announcement coming out of the event was

2440
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 9: UFC two eighty six the nown for London's O two arena, John,

2441
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 9: Are they going to get.

2442
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 8: You over there or what? Yes? I have not called

2443
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 8: a fight in the UK since twenty thirteen, so almost

2444
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 8: ten years to the day, we're headed back to the UK.

2445
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 8: Very excited about that. I don't know what the main

2446
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 8: event is going to be, but I'm very excited about that.

2447
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 8: I'm very excited for Jamal Hill and Glover to share

2448
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 8: in Brazil in six weeks. That's madness. Jamal Hill, obviously

2449
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 8: a friend of the channel, has been on remember the show,

2450
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 8: I believe three times. So yeah, that's gonna be pretty

2451
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 8: crazy for Jamal Hill. It's been great.

2452
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 9: Well, be careful about the victory Blunt there in Brazil.

2453
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 9: I'm not sure what the rules are. You don't have

2454
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 9: Kenny with you, They're not going to recognize you, so

2455
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 9: you get to watch out there when you're in there.

2456
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 8: No, yeah, Jamal, he'll leave the backwoods at home if

2457
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 8: you're listening, kid.

2458
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 9: So wonder Boy did say publicly, and obviously this is

2459
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 9: with no like real source that he said that. Edwards

2460
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 9: Moswitalz with the promotions looking at if Usman has hand

2461
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 9: surgery and we know that blah Muhammad's not gonna be

2462
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 9: happy about that. But he said that he's going to

2463
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 9: fight in London either way.

2464
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 7: So no, Uzman did have hand surgery.

2465
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,320
Speaker 9: Did have handswer, yes, but I guess maybe it's not

2466
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 9: going well.

2467
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 7: I don't know.

2468
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 9: No comment from John. Take from that which you will, Johnny,

2469
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 9: save me a seat. Passport's in the mail. I mean

2470
01:50:58,520 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 9: we might be London calling.

2471
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 8: If you want to come to London, you can use

2472
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 8: my two tickets. I'll reserve them for you. Oh thanks, John,

2473
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 8: You're welcome, Buddy. Put of the show.

2474
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 9: So two more points, but the last, this one is

2475
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 9: one that everyone's waiting for. Cody's covers.

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Speaker 7: Baby.

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Speaker 8: We're on a three week hot streak.

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Speaker 8: We're easily the number one I think, So what do

2481
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,560
Speaker 8: you have for this week? Because I gotta go.

2482
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 9: Oh right, We're going back to the Vikings minus four

2483
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 9: at home against Indy. Justin Jefferson, best wide receiver in

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Speaker 9: the NFL. Vikings four and oh against the spread after

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Speaker 9: having less than ninety yards, Indy gives up one hundred

2486
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Speaker 9: and twenty six yards. I think Dalvin Cook is gonna

2487
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Speaker 9: have a good second half. Kirk protects the ball Indy

2488
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Speaker 9: thirtieth and turnover, So I think that they're gonna cover

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01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 9: that four points. And I'm wearing this hat for a reason. Guys,

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Speaker 9: we all bitch about the judging. That's fine, but I

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2493
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