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Speaker 1: Welcome back to cutting the distance. September is now well

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Speaker 1: in our rearview mirror, and beagles are few and far between,

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Speaker 1: thick of general miliear seasons in most places, and the

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Speaker 1: ruts just about ready to kick in here at the

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Speaker 1: end of October. Today's guest grew up down the road

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Speaker 1: in scapoose, Oregon. He spent a lot of time hunting

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Speaker 1: blacktail deer in Roosevelt Elk with his dad growing up,

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Speaker 1: and he was able to take some really nice blacktails

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Speaker 1: over the years, and he feels that this is where

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Speaker 1: he kind of fell in love with deer hunting. Throughout college,

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Speaker 1: Duke didn't get to hunt as much due to college supports.

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Speaker 1: He was a wrestler and a long distance runner at

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Speaker 1: University of Oregon. Once they cut the wrestling program, he

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Speaker 1: decided to move over to Eastern Oregon and that's where

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Speaker 1: he was able to spend a lot more time in

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Speaker 1: the mountains pursuing meal deer. It was there where he

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Speaker 1: really got hooked on meal deer and had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to work for a fishing game in a heavily used

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Speaker 1: winter range area for deer. He also now works for

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Speaker 1: first Light. I believe he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: He tests gear and it advises on some of our

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Speaker 1: product lines, and he's he's one of the best. He

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Speaker 1: won't admit it. He's as humble as they come, but

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Speaker 1: he's one of the best and probably most passionate meal

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Speaker 2: So welcome to the show, Duke Hither, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So are you ready to explain to all the listeners

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Speaker 1: why elk are better than meal deer?

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Speaker 2: I like el cutting too, man, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Think one time we were talking and uh, you have

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Speaker 1: kind of a mindset where you like, you like el cutting,

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Speaker 1: but usually you kill like maybe the first legal bowl

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Speaker 1: or whatever you can find, so then you can concentrate

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Speaker 1: the rest of your time on meal deer though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I would agree with you on that. And

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Speaker 2: and I feel like even when I'm talking to people

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Speaker 2: it it always transitions over to talking to talking about

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, we're recording this on October seventeenth. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll come out on the twenty six, So I

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Speaker 1: know your guys' deer season there and Idaho's kind of

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Speaker 1: already got started. Have you been able to get out

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Speaker 1: much this year? You just getting ready to kind of

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Speaker 2: Here at the end of season, shoot as much as

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Speaker 2: I can. Really, it's been It's been tough this year, though,

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Speaker 2: but I've been any chance I can get I've been out.

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Speaker 1: So any any luck yet or seeing any good movement

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Speaker 2: Haven't really turned up anything too great? But I mean,

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Speaker 2: I have been surprised there are a lot of deer

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Speaker 2: I'd say, both on the deer and the elk. One

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Speaker 2: lot of the deer do move out of here for

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Speaker 1: That's a good sign. So I've never asked you this before,

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Speaker 1: but I've heard stories about about some of your early

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Speaker 1: I'm sure your long distance running. But what some people

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Speaker 1: That's how dedicated you were to making sure you were

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Speaker 2: I would say more of it has been like in

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Speaker 1: You know, that's crazy, Like I'm not anybody that knows me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not much of a runner, and Duke's built for

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a good deer hunter of mature meal deer.

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Speaker 1: and uh, a lot of a lot of what maybe

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Speaker 1: So I think what we can take is everything that

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Speaker 1: Is it seclusion? And then is seclusion is that different

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Speaker 2: Those m h, Well, definitely in the summer, I would.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just weird how you find consistencies with finding

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Speaker 1: into that a little bit more like once you find

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, it's crazy. You know. I grew up

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Speaker 2: to see deer migration routes and whatnot.

435
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha, that's I mean, I live in an area

436
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: where there's not a lot of migration, but we have

437
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: hunted those hunts. You know. We talked about the area

438
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: we were in Idaho where we literally didn't see a

439
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: deer take a bite of grass for a week. You know,

440
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: they every dear we saw was on its feet moving

441
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 1: through through the area. And we just caught that migration right,

442
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: and you know we happen to be we stayed high

443
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: on the mountain, you know, up in the snow, trying

444
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: to catch him high in that migration. But if you

445
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: would have caught him a day later down in the bottoms,

446
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: or two days or however wherever they finally staged up,

447
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have known that that deer came, you know,

448
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: off the ridge we were on and down in there,

449
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: you would have just been kind of had to guess

450
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: like did he come from the west the east to say,

451
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: you know, you would have never known like where the

452
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 1: heck that deer came from to get there, and putting

453
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: that back together maybe tough, like all right, in a

454
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: year that where there wasn't snow, you know, you want

455
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: to go find him next year, like where where would

456
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: he be? It's sometimes a lot of guesswork and you

457
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: know a lot of scouting to try to try to

458
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: find him or find him where he's out when you

459
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: can hunt them before the snow.

460
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, especially especially in a situation like that when

461
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: they're where they're covering so much country and such a

462
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: short amount of time too. That's what makes it really

463
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: really tough.

464
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was literally and I don't know if

465
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: it's like that everywhere, Like some deer seem to have

466
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 1: more like winter holding power, but in some of these

467
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: units in Idaho, it's like they get a skiff and

468
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: they're like, we're out, We're going down until there's no

469
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: more snow. And it was it was crazy to see

470
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: that in some of these areas, which makes it very difficult.

471
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 1: And you know it, it was on the you know,

472
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: opening day, and it would really almost all that scouting

473
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: you did lead up to rifle season almost make I

474
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: don't want to say useless, but you were in the

475
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: right area. But now they're gone. Now you have to

476
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: go hunt them in some transition spot that makes it

477
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: real difficult.

478
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

479
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: Do you have any tips or strategies for in that transition,

480
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's it's pretty typical. You guys get

481
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: that that weather early right in the middle of your season,

482
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: these deer end up in a spot they're not so

483
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: familiar with, Like what's your strategy at that point where

484
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: deer end up in I don't want to say foreign,

485
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: but not where they in an area where they didn't

486
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: spend their entire summer and we're kind of patternable.

487
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What also seems weird about that too, is

488
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: it it's almost like it's an internal clock more than yes,

489
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: when they get the weather, because there's quite a few

490
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: mountain passes and stuff they got to go over. But

491
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: I feel like it does seem like there's an internal

492
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: clock at this date, roughly say, the middle of October,

493
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: no matter what, they kind of start moving. The tough

494
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: thing about that for me is it's it almost just

495
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: seems like you just kind of are getting lucky in

496
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: a sense. You know, like you're just hoping that you're

497
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: gonna find a big buck as they're moving through more

498
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: more as like, okay, I got them found in the summer.

499
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's the one deer I'm gonna hunt.

500
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: But it's like there there are some like it's almost

501
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: like they have these little staging areas to where you

502
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: can going to an area, say next week, and you'll

503
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: see fifty deer, but all summer you're not going to

504
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: see anything in there.

505
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: You know, yep, yep. It's a staging area kind of

506
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: between where they summered versus where they're going to run,

507
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: where all the dos are going to end up. So

508
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: they're kind of just those bucks. Don't want to jump

509
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: in yet, but they're just kind of off, you know,

510
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: or just off of that group of dose, is what

511
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: it seems like here at the at the end of October,

512
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: middle of the end yep.

513
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: And I've always had it in my head too that

514
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: like the really really big bucks, I don't know that

515
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 2: they go. Like it's just hard for for how many

516
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 2: people that are out hunting these days, it's hard for

517
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: me to believe that those deer are going somewhere not

518
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: remote or secluded, you know, like for them to be

519
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: that big, say five plus, it's like, I don't know.

520
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: That's what's so cool to me about deer in general,

521
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: is that like, where the heck are they going? And

522
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: that the fun thing is like finding where the heck

523
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: they're at, you.

524
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a yeah, it's

525
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: it's a big mystery. And that's what I think is

526
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: hunters that can do it over and over, like you know,

527
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: your assumptions, your guesses, your your ideas on where these

528
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: things are hanging out and going it. Really, you can

529
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: only luck into it so many times before it's all right.

530
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: You're starting to figure it out, like where to find

531
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: them or where they're going to go, and you just

532
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: start to understand meal deer a little bit better for sure,

533
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: to be able to to to figure out all those

534
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: clues and figure it out. So kind of on the

535
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: same uh this in the same realm of scouting, have

536
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: you found that certain areas tend to hold similar age

537
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: coast deer or are you always moving around trying to

538
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: find the one or or a group of deer, or

539
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: have you found like if you find a good buck

540
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: in a certain area, like the next biggest buck is

541
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: going to take that buck spot or be in the area,

542
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: and do they come back to the same basins year

543
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: after year.

544
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: I will say I've found certain little pockets or that

545
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: do have a lot more bucks than other spots. I mean,

546
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: the country can look the exact same, but there's ten

547
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: bucks in this little draw, but there's nothing in the

548
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: next one. I do kind of feel like they're there

549
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: for a reason, you know, And I feel like, obviously,

550
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: if if you are able to kill a big buck

551
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: in there. There's some reason he was able to hide

552
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: and stay away from people. He's got good feed, he's

553
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: got water, and he's able to bed down where he

554
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: can hide from people. You know. I feel like the

555
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's tough because it's it's like you

556
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: find a really really good spot and you can go

557
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: back in there three years after that and you don't

558
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: see anything that much bigger. Say so, I feel like, eventually, yes,

559
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a big buck in there, but it

560
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: may just take quite a few years to find them,

561
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: you know, or from It's just tough because I mean,

562
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: so many people are just shooting deer in the in

563
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: there a couple of years before they're even able to

564
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: get that big I think is a big part of

565
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: the issue, you know.

566
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And and nothing against like I always have

567
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: to like, you know, we're doing you know, you're doing

568
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: what you want to do. We're not necessarily yeah, but

569
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: I We've always talked about like a meal Dear's brain

570
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: doesn't turn on till about four and a half, you know,

571
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: and it seems like up until that point, like he's

572
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: very susceptible to being killed by maybe maybe any any

573
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: hunter or any any idea. But then as we're going

574
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: to get into is like do these big bucks start

575
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: to bet in different spot? I almost I always tell

576
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: myself like how would a hunter hunt this? Like what's

577
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: the easiest way up the ridge? What's the easiest way

578
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: to this base? And I'm gonna do it a different way?

579
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm I honestly feel those bigger bucks sometimes know like, well,

580
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: this is how every hunter would approach me, Like I'm

581
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna bet on the opposite side or under a rock

582
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: where you couldn't see me. And and are you starting

583
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: to think like a big meal deer. I we're kind

584
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: of always joking like what a meal deer expect us

585
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: to approach from this way? Would you expect us to

586
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: be able to see him from here? Because he's probably

587
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: not going to be there. We need to do something different,

588
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, whether it takes walking across the base and

589
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: they're coming in from a different direction. But yeah, I,

590
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: like you said, I think it's that buck. For a

591
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: buck to get there, like he's got he's got to

592
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: be of age and he gets smart enough to like

593
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: figure out how to not be seen or he just

594
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: got lucky in the spot where he started to bed,

595
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: just you know, kept him safe. But I doubt that

596
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: that's it's a little bit of smarts and they're and

597
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: they're putting more into it, and they've seen people and

598
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: they've escaped people. They're they're they're just getting smarter. So

599
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: so we kind of walked through scouting kind of what

600
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: you're We've talked about hunting a little bit. How do

601
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: you take what you find scouting and then translate it

602
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: into season? Are you assuming that the buck and of

603
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: course it's obviously going to lead up to if you've

604
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: seen the deer the day before considered scouting, you know

605
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be there the next day. But will

606
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: you when you scout something, will you if it's something

607
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: you really like, will you stay on that deer and

608
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: and see you know, is he moving base into basin

609
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: or are you staying on that year to make sure

610
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: he stays in that base? And then as season gets here, like,

611
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: how do you how do you take your scouting to

612
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: help you be successful during during season? Aside from knowing

613
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: he's in a certain area.

614
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is just I mean the

615
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: I can give you an example from a couple of

616
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: years ago I spent I can't even tell you how

617
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: many days I spent after this one buck, and I

618
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: think I saw him total in a full year. I

619
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: think I saw the thing like five times, and two

620
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: of those five times it was literally me walking in

621
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: to the area. It was almost the exact same scenario.

622
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: I actually put a trail cam in there, and I

623
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: saw this deer twice, and I had sat up probably

624
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: eight hundred yards away both days that I saw him

625
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: in there and glass making sure he wasn't in there

626
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: before I went in there. And both times I saw

627
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: the dang buck. He was betted behind. I don't know,

628
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't even know where he was betted or what.

629
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: But I jumped him out of his bed twice, and

630
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: I ended up killing the deer like I think I

631
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: had missed him the year before, and I ended up

632
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: killing him like less than two hundred yards away from

633
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: where i'd missed him a year before. But the crazy

634
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: thing about that deer is I found him in June then,

635
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: the year after I had missed him, and I think

636
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: I shot him within one hundred yards of where I

637
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: shot him in October, and I had found him in

638
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: June so.

639
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: That buck was living in a real tight circle.

640
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: Tiny little area, and I mean I had spent so

641
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: many days in there, and I would never I mean

642
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: I saw him in season once the year that I

643
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: got him, and that was a crazy thing because somebody

644
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: had jumped that deer and there was a bunch of

645
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: bucks all running together, and I watched him from there

646
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: were six hundred yards in this basin, and I watched

647
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: all of the other bucks run down into the basin

648
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: and he peeled off all by himself and stood behind

649
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: this other tree and they they went down in the

650
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: basin and he went all by himself out of there,

651
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: and I think he was. WE aged him, and I

652
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: think he was the agent came back and he was

653
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: at least six and a half, and it was crazy

654
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: to see those bucks were three and a half maybe

655
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: four and a half. And he did his own thing

656
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: away from all the other deer.

657
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: Just thought differently than the rest of those deer.

658
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

659
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that leads to me to another. Is that

660
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: another thing that you found which is obvious by that story,

661
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: But in general, do you you know a lot of

662
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: guys talk about like seeing a big buck and they

663
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: can never relocate him, And I know it's going to

664
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: depend on area, But are you a firm believer that

665
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: that buck's around somewhere you're just not able to see him,

666
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: like if he's in an area you know the reverse

667
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: migration's over, or like is there a it's got to

668
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: come from your gut right or putting all this together,

669
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: but is there ever a time like when should you

670
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: pull the plug versus like when you should stay in

671
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like pound an area just knowing that that deer is

672
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: probably there if he's anywhere.

673
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Well, that was That's one of my best examples, is

674
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: like how can you look over an area so many

675
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: days and never see the thing? And I just doesn't.

676
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't get how he could have been there the

677
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: whole time, as many days as you've looked and you

678
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: haven't gotten eyes on him. But I have another example

679
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: from a couple of years ago where I had watched

680
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: this buck for two summers in a row, and he

681
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: had been in the exact same spot both years and

682
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: certain date both years it was I think it was

683
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: around it was three days before bo season started. He

684
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: would disappear the first year I could never turn him

685
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: up again. The second year it had been like almost

686
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: two weeks, and I'd been back there almost every day

687
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: and could never turn the thing up again. Well, I

688
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: went in there on the other side one morning and

689
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: I looked up on the hill like three hundred yards

690
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: above me, and the thing was standing up there. And

691
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: all he had done is he'd went from the open hillside,

692
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: super rocky country, and he had moved down across the

693
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: canyon into the timber. And that, I mean, that was

694
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: the last time I ever saw that deer. But he

695
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: he just went into the thickest, gnarliest patch of timber.

696
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't it's hard to imagine how you would get

697
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 2: him out of us, as steep as this country is,

698
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: in thick blowdown, you know. But I think they're I

699
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: kind of think they are there. It's just they just

700
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: get so good at hiding, you know.

701
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, and that yeah, that's that's like mission impossible

702
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: when that big buck gets comfortable in like a big

703
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: patch of timber, because you can't you're gonna make too

704
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: much noise, You're never gonna sneak up on him. And

705
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: he's got a huge advantage if he's not out in

706
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: the open, you know. And we hunted Colorado in twenty sixteen,

707
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: and we had a big, big buck pushing that like

708
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: strange that he betted in the timber but then would

709
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: come out above. And then we bumped him one night

710
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: and then we saw him run in there and never

711
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: came out the rest of the trip. And it's like, well,

712
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, what do you do with them?

713
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: We know he's there. We would keep hunting that ridge,

714
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: but he just once he's in that timber, and once

715
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: he decides to leave the opening, because he's got a

716
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: little bit of pressure, it's gonna be real tough to

717
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: hunt him, you know for sure. Uh, do you have

718
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: any examples of how far big meal deer will move

719
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: or meal deer in general, Like you always hear the

720
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: stories of like, oh, this bowl is rutting here, you know,

721
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: because it's some unique bowl, and then he's killed seven

722
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: miles away three days later, you know, or these meal

723
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: deer have you had the opposite where some meal deer

724
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: will just sit at home, versus like some meal deer

725
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: willing to travel two to three miles as the rut

726
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: gets close, or you know, for for no good reason

727
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: to go to that staging area or whatever it may.

728
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Be the only real example I have of that is

729
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: it's kind of the opposite. The first year we lived

730
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: out here, I found it was it was a really

731
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 2: really good buck and I saw the thing one day

732
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: and I want to say, let's see, it had been

733
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: four weeks since basically saw it, wasn't able to make

734
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: it happen and could never turn the deer up again.

735
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: Like I want to say, about a month later, the

736
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: deer was like about a mile away and it was

737
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: during a late season tag and he ended up getting killed.

738
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: But it was like, how in that small area was

739
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: he able to hide out? You know? He like he

740
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: literally didn't even go anywhere.

741
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I hit it. There the only examples

742
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: we got, and it's it's a different setting than where

743
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: you're at, you know, high mountain with with what I

744
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: would consider wintering range pretty close like in our Montana

745
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: spots where they kind of live in their winter range

746
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: year round. You can get some of those bucks, you

747
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: know in the coolies or in some of that country,

748
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: and it seems like they can go three or four

749
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: or five miles in a night. But it's different, you know,

750
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: I think those mountain meal deer are a little bit

751
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: more homebodies, and they kind of they stick to that,

752
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: and you know, the rut can pull them off, or

753
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: dose can pull them off. But for the most part,

754
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: they don't move as much as as the you know,

755
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: desert meal deer or the high you know, the the

756
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: high desert deer or the breaks deer, whatever you want

757
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: to call him. So you talked about a little bit earlier.

758
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're in there earlier, they're late, which

759
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of leads to glassing. Like do you have you

760
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: mentioned you have a bt X, you know, which for

761
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: those that don't know, it's the dual eyed Sworrow set up.

762
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: I've you know, we we run big spotters, which I

763
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: didn't learn until I had talked to a guy that

764
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: used there's an old there's a company called Doctor Optics, right,

765
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: and we went to a unit in Colorado and this

766
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: guy would just drive up to the highest knob and

767
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: uses twenty to forty by eighty eight binoculars or whatever

768
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: they are, and he would tell me where every deer

769
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: was in the country. And I was only able to

770
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: hunt one drainage, you know. So it's like meal deering

771
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: optics maybe go together better than any other type of hunting,

772
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, So what's your glassing strategy? You know, are

773
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: you only using that BTX during scouting? Are you bringing

774
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: it up during season or are you more focused on

775
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: like close close to year at that point, like you're

776
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: in hunt mode versus like looking for any deer mode.

777
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: Mm hm, I feel like it. I do use it

778
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: a lot more during during the summer. Just get into

779
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: those big high high ridges or whatever to where you

780
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: can look over as much country as possible first thing

781
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: in the morning. I will say I have a pair

782
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: of twelves that I've been used in the last couple

783
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: of years, the the in all peers, and I've I

784
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: do really really like those binos. But I feel like

785
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: you get to, like say, it's the range between the

786
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: twelves and the BTX that like I'll hunt. I got

787
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: a buddy that I hunt with quite often, and he's

788
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: got a pair of the fifteens and for that mid range,

789
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he kicks my butt for spot and stuff,

790
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: and so I do feel like I'm gonna try and

791
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: get a pair of like either fifteens or eighteens. It

792
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: just makes your pack really freaking heavy, you know.

793
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, And I've even went to a you know,

794
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: like on Steve's Milder hunt last year, and really coming

795
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: from the Coups deer hunt, like all scan with my tens,

796
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, anything closer within a thousand yards and then

797
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: I've found ice spot more just going straight to my spotter,

798
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Like go from tens to spotter, that fifteen to eighteen

799
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: range might be, you know, the right solution, but we

800
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: just crank our spotters down to twenty or twenty five

801
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: or whatever the lowest setting we can and like literally

802
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: just walk it along the mountain, especially after you kind

803
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: of cream the easy stuff. You know, if there was

804
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: a deer out there, we would spot it and then

805
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: we just go to work and pick things apart with

806
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: the spotter, and we've started spotting way more deer going

807
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: to a spotter on a tripod. And then the other

808
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: thing is like even if it's just a monopod or

809
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: something like binoculars on a stick for meal deer is

810
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, you need to get those things stabilized. Like

811
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: I was always like the elbows on the knees had

812
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: on the brim, you know, my hands are on the

813
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: hat brim, and it just you can't keep still enough

814
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: to spot ears flicker or a horn or whatever it

815
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: may be at distance. So as much as I hate

816
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: add and weight, it's like we're adding, you know, even

817
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: if it's a trekking poll or a tripod, Like we're

818
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: trying to stabilize our optics at all times. So you're

819
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: you're glassing, like you're you're going through that, Like do

820
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: you go as far as thinking, like, all right, the

821
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: sun's gonna rise on the west, like you're trying to

822
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: put yourself in basin so that the sun's at your back,

823
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Like do you do you overthink that or you just

824
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: like thinking, I've got a good forty five minutes before

825
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: sunrise that I can glass everything and it doesn't really

826
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: matter which direction.

827
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: Or that's a good question because I have screwed myself

828
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: up pretty good getting into like getting way back in

829
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: places and not even thinking about that. But I do

830
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: feel like the first I mean, if you can get

831
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: in there the first forty five minutes or so for

832
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: the most pipe part, you'll be okay. But I mean

833
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: I need to get better at that. Put it that way.

834
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like the morning you can get away

835
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: with more, but sometimes that night sit where you're like

836
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: if you don't put it where that sun's on the horizon.

837
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I shouldn't even came to glasses base,

838
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: and I should have thought about glass in the other

839
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: way or looked at this in a different direction. But yeah,

840
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: I just I've always caught myself and I always wonder

841
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: if like guys are thinking about that or if they've

842
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: got a different strategy. So so, how long will you

843
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: glass an area before moving on? Like do you as

844
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: far as coverage? Are you gonna look it over a

845
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: couple of times? Is there like a point in the morning, like, oh,

846
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: he may be betted to start with, Like he's gonna

847
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: get up an hour and a half later? Does it depend

848
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: on whether like if it's raining, they're gonna be on

849
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: their feet or if there's snowing there on their feet?

850
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: Like how do you decide, Like I've lasted here long enough,

851
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm hiking out the ridge to the next

852
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: basin or to a different area.

853
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: You know What's what's kind of interesting about that is

854
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: I've noticed that when it starts getting colder, like last weekend,

855
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: for example, I was glassing into this base and I

856
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: had not seen anything in there, and I think it

857
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: was it was. It's been light for what seven thirty

858
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: or so, It was about three hours before I started

859
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: seeing anything, and so I gosh, I kind of feel

860
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: like I'm becoming more of a believer. You got to

861
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: you gotta just kind of wait it out, you know,

862
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: maybe take a little break back on the glass start.

863
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: I feel like it doesn't really matter in the when

864
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: it starts getting colder, I feel like, you know that

865
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: ten eleven in the morning, that two three in the afternoon,

866
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: I feel like it's all good, especially if you're in

867
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: an area where you can pay pick apart a ton

868
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: of country too, you know, yep.

869
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: And that's that balance. I mean, it's that internal fight

870
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: we always have, like you should have probably put yourself

871
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: on the best spot, or at least what I thought

872
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: was the best spot starting the day. Are you willing

873
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: to leave that to go find deer or she? Just

874
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: grind it out? Like and a lot of it comes

875
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: down to what you just said for me, like what

876
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: what percentage of ground can I see? Like if I

877
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: can see a whole bunch of ground, versus I'm gonna

878
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: go only see twenty five percent of that ground from

879
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: hiking up and over, Like is it worth it. But

880
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: then there's always that like other other guy talking to

881
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: me on my shoulder, like, but that big buck could

882
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: just be standing in that little twenty five percent patch

883
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: and you know right now, like should you go check

884
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: it out? And that's always one of those internal fights

885
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I have with myself, is like when because you know,

886
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: as time goes on the days, changing bucks or deer

887
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: getting out of their beds moving, you can catch them.

888
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: We've but we've seen it both ways, right, And so

889
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: that's really like that one thing we struggle with is

890
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: stay in glass or move and get to a new area.

891
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there is a right answer.

892
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I just didn't know if you had a preference or

893
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: or if you're more inclined. Now it sounds like maybe

894
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: just staying to what you think is your best spot.

895
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that, Like, especially from like scouting

896
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: in the summer and stuff like that, I feel like, Okay,

897
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get here to where I can spend like

898
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: two plus hours and just keep going back over this

899
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: stuff checking it you know.

900
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Yep. So yeah, no, I like that. And it's what

901
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: we usually end up deciding too, is that you you know,

902
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: not to repeat myself, but you put yourself in the

903
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: best spot, your best bandage, your best spot to spot. Dear,

904
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: let's just stay here and and some people may think

905
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: it's like the lazy way out, but it's just I

906
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: think it's just your best chance. You know, I don't

907
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: know if you. Ryan Lamper is one of my buddies.

908
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Like he's you know, he's similar to you, hikes all

909
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: over the mountain, like physical never gets in the way.

910
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: But like he talks about his he killed one hundred

911
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: and ninety inch archery buck there in Colorado, and he's like,

912
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't move for seven days because the thing just

913
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: went in bed in the right spot for me to approach.

914
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, he ultimately killed this buck, but

915
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: he's like it was one of the easier because he

916
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: didn't move for seven days straight until they embedded in

917
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: the right spot. And so it's I think it's just

918
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: being patient, you know, having faith or confidence that they're there.

919
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: You know, it can be can be huge.

920
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: That's that's the other thing too. That's I mean, that's

921
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: I know, as hard as it is as it is

922
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: to find a big one. That's the nice thing about

923
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: like putting in your time to scout and find one.

924
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, this is where I've seen him. And

925
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: the other thing that I've noticed is like it doesn't

926
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: take very much cover for them to to be able

927
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: to hide, you know, like for example, like I was

928
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: saying last week and the bucks that I turned up,

929
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: I had looked over that spot probably ten times that morning,

930
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: and then I gave it a break for fifteen minutes

931
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: looking at some other stuff, and I came back and

932
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: there they were. And I mean there was so little

933
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: cover for them to bed down in, and that's where

934
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: they were, in that little tiny patch of timber, you.

935
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: Know, yea yeah, so and I think you know, as

936
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: a hunt goes on, like I, I don't get the chance,

937
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: especially on out of state hunts, to scout near as

938
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: much as I want, So you're kind of learning on

939
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: the fly. But you can pick up little things off

940
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: the bat, like oh, the deer on their feet for

941
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: the first fifteen minutes and it but it's like, so

942
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: you're in that area, but as soon as they bed down,

943
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: like if you I'm sure we've all been there, will

944
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: you follow a deer right or something that you're maybe

945
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: interested in or you kind of just keep tabs and

946
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: it was in the wide open easy to see. But

947
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: as soon as that thing beds down, like you won't

948
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: see it for the next four hours and then it

949
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: gets up out of bed and then so it's ideas

950
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: like that, like if you don't catch up Buck in

951
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: the exact right spot at the exact right time, you're

952
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: not gonna see him no matter where you're at. And

953
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: he may be right there, which is kind of the

954
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: underlying story on some of these things, like they're typically

955
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: going to be where you think they are, you just

956
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: might not be able to see him. So so rolling through,

957
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: you know you're you're about what you're seven days into

958
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: your Idaho season, you've got another thirteen left, or you

959
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: know some units close off a little bit earlier. Do

960
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: you do you change the way you hunt from start

961
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: to finish if weather it doesn't come into play? Do

962
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: you assume if if you know there's no or are

963
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: you gonna start like as season progresses, are you gonna

964
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: start checking in on those staging areas that are a

965
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: little lower on the mountain or the ridge, or like

966
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: how do you how do you change your hunt or

967
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: do you at all? As season goes on? You know

968
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: through the end of October.

969
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: Well, this year has been a little bit different because,

970
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: like I said, I wasn't able to turn anything up

971
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: that great, you know. But it's like what has been

972
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: kind of fun this year is like, Okay, I'm gonna

973
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: hunt till say twelve or one, and then I'm gonna

974
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: get out of there and I'm gonna go to a

975
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: completely different new area and check that out and tell

976
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: dark and like, typically, I mean, if it's if it's

977
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: a deer that I'm after, I would probably just hunt

978
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: that Gosh, I would probably just hunt that thing the

979
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: whole season or as or as long as I needed

980
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: to say, you know, yeah, yeah, so it does. It

981
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: really depends. I mean I feel like, especially around here,

982
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: if you are getting the snow, so many of the

983
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: deer do move out of the country. You just have

984
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: to be content with not seeing very many deer period.

985
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: You know.

986
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just kind of going off your gut whether

987
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: you think that target deer stayed up in the high

988
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: country you're hopefully didn't move down, and you're probably second

989
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: guessing yourself all along the way. But it seems like

990
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: typically those big bucks are the last ones to bail

991
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: off you know, so if you're still seeing deer in

992
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: the area, I like to assume that they're still around,

993
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: but you just never know.

994
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I agree.

995
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit. Me and

996
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Steve got to to go to Idaho last year on

997
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: a meal deer hunt. Yeah. I don't know if you've

998
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: even been in that area or not, but it was

999
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: it was one of those cool hunts. You know. It

1000
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a special area, but it

1001
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: was one of those things where, you know, we we

1002
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: implored some of the strategies we're talking about now. We

1003
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: we you know, stayed high on the ridge and just

1004
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, glass as much country as we can. You know,

1005
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: he had a few little hot tips here and there.

1006
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: But but we found, as I mentioned, on that hunt,

1007
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: at that time of year, those deer were on the

1008
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: south facing slopes. They would come out of the bottom

1009
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: and you would get about a fifteen minute chance to

1010
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: spot them between like where they were starting in the

1011
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: creek bottom or somewhere on that ledge, versus when they

1012
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: would flop over to the north side, you know, the

1013
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: brushy timbered side of the ridge. And so we started

1014
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: to use that to our advantage. We would look at

1015
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: you know maps, like where can we go to see them,

1016
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, as many south facing slopes as we can,

1017
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: and and it's just stuff like that like throughout the hunt,

1018
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: like we didn't have necessarily a target buck, but we

1019
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: were kind of just trying to put as many many

1020
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: options in our lap as we could. You know, it

1021
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: was it was an amazing hunt because you know, the

1022
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: first day you pull up and see a thirty inch

1023
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: plus three point and you got to like walk away

1024
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: from it. And then you know, around the next corner

1025
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: you see you see a one eighty plus you know buck,

1026
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: and so it was it was a different hunt, a

1027
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: very very special place. But I'm trying to like roll

1028
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: some of this this you know what we've talked about

1029
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: into that, like you know, getting to a good advantage

1030
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: spot where where you can you know, where you can

1031
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: look into where you found the deer. You know, on

1032
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: the first day we realized kind of what the deer

1033
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: are doing. The second day we kind of you know,

1034
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: took advantage of that. So we're trying to be educated

1035
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: deer hunters as we go on. And it was one

1036
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: of those things where we didn't have a target buck.

1037
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: So it's I think having a target animal maybe like

1038
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: you are, versus somebody that's just looking for something that's

1039
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: that's in you know, what they want. It makes a

1040
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: different hunt. It makes a lot different hunt where you

1041
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: might not be willing to leave the base in the

1042
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: entire day. We would we would do what I would

1043
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: consider kind of your normal hunting, where we would glass

1044
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: for two two and a half hours, like, ah, there's

1045
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: just the place is dead. We've glassed ninety percent of it, Like,

1046
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: let's move. And so that was kind of our strategy

1047
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: and throughout the day. And then the one downside is

1048
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: we moved, you would never really know like is this

1049
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: place dead because it's not first light anymore, you know,

1050
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: and you were kind of like, well, I don't even

1051
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: know if this is a good spot, Like you don't

1052
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: want to write it off for tomorrow. You may want

1053
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: to come back and check on it first thing. And

1054
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: we just kind of evolved on that hunt. But uh,

1055
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: it was one the other thing I really wanted to

1056
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: take away from that hunt and talk about a little

1057
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: bit is we had you know, me and Steve, you know,

1058
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Kenton was on that. We had multiple pieces of glass

1059
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: and it was crazy to like how well a meal

1060
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: deer can hide, Like I had picked up a meal

1061
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: deer the buck that Steve ultimately had killed, and we

1062
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: couldn't get any other spotters on it. But I was

1063
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: in like the worst spot to like keep track of him,

1064
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Like I had a bunch of brush and sticks, and

1065
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Jack strawed brush in my way, And it was just

1066
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: one of those things and it really kind of led

1067
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: me to believe, like it, I don't want to keep

1068
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: tying things back, but it ties back to one of

1069
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: your original examples of like those deer are there, you

1070
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: just they are at times impossible to find. And we

1071
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: knew they were there because we had watched them flop

1072
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: over the ridge, you know, an hour before, like we

1073
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: there was nowhere else for him to go, and they

1074
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: had did it two days in a row, right, And

1075
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. When deer making these patterns and

1076
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: doing you know, sick clickl movements from food to bed,

1077
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: from bed to food, you almost have to go with

1078
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: they're there until they're not. But you know, picking them

1079
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: up in the glass is a whole nother story. Like

1080
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: we had put ourselves in the position to glass into

1081
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: there and just got lucky and picked him out of there.

1082
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: Did you guys, Were you guys able to get him

1083
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: the first day that you found him?

1084
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: We did, We got We got real, real fortunate, and

1085
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: we didn't even know he was a shooter buck. We

1086
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: spotted him from two plus miles away, just six or

1087
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: seven deer working up a ridge, and you could tell

1088
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: that two of them through the spotter, like you could

1089
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: tell that two of them had frames. Right. It's you

1090
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: hear about people saying like they've got good frames. But

1091
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: there was no way in hell we were telling you

1092
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: if you had any sort of forks, if he was

1093
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: a three point of four point like what it was,

1094
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: and it was so far away that you pulled out

1095
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: on X and you're like, all right, I think this

1096
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: is the ridge he's on, and I think this is

1097
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: how we get there, you know. And we walked out

1098
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: a trail maybe a mile and a half to look

1099
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: into the backside of that to get a goo advantage,

1100
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: and we we sat there for even an hour before

1101
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: just like all glass on that thing picking it apart,

1102
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: and just happened to in the middle of the day

1103
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: it And the hard part is you don't know if

1104
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: he got out of bed right, he could have been

1105
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: betted he could have been feeding the whole time, but

1106
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: we didn't pick him up until about one thirty in

1107
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: the afternoon, you know, and then we steve it ended

1108
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: up shooting him by two. But it's just one of

1109
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: those things that like, man, you know where you're going

1110
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: with with what's a low percentage just because it's so

1111
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: hard to see. But they're there, like the meal deer,

1112
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: especially until you bump them or get winded, like they're

1113
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna probably keep doing the same thing back and forth,

1114
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, until the the rut comes along, weather comes along,

1115
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: or something bumps them out of their pattern. Mm hmm,

1116
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1117
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just gonna say I'd be curious too,

1118
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: because it would be curious to see what that would like.

1119
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: Was he getting any pressure at all from people too?

1120
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean, with it being a limited hunt, there was

1121
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: another deer hunter around, and there was one other elk

1122
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: hunter in the area, but nobody was really up in

1123
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: that zone that we were in, and so that also

1124
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: adds into the hunt, like how aggressive you need to be,

1125
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: how comfortable you are that that deer is not going

1126
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: to get bumped. So yeah, it was nice knowing that

1127
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: nobody had been really messing with these deer, which is

1128
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: a huge advantage, you know what you're talking about a

1129
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: lot of this over the counter stuff where you can

1130
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: get crazy amount of pressure where you get into deer

1131
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: like this, and it changes their behavior. It changes maybe

1132
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: how reluctant they are to be out in the open

1133
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: because nobody's really laying eyes on them or even you know,

1134
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: bothering them at all.

1135
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and what's interesting too about that that I've

1136
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: noticed is like the deer that you see, the big

1137
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: ones like that you see that are not getting screwed with,

1138
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: it's almost like they even have a completely different They're

1139
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: just so much different, like compared to the ones that

1140
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 2: are getting very pressured, like some we've seen like out

1141
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: here that are in a high pressured area. I mean,

1142
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: they don't really get up, and if they do, they're

1143
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: moving like really really fast to get to more cover.

1144
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so you almost think it's like it's

1145
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: like a switch goes off in their head. Like they're

1146
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: the same age class. But yet this deer recognizes all

1147
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: the pressure. He's like, I've got to step up my

1148
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: game or I've got to be safer, where this other

1149
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: dear is like I haven't seen anybody like I can

1150
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: continue to do this and get away with it in

1151
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: some sense. Yeah, yeah, Just just a note for all

1152
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: the listeners, like Steve's Idaho meal deer Hunt will be

1153
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 1: coming out, I believe on November two. Meat Eater Season twelve,

1154
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: episode four. I believe, so for anybody that wants to

1155
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: go check out a meal deer hunt where I explained

1156
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: to Steve white elk or better than meal deer, Well,

1157
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: you can go tune into that one. But it's a

1158
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: great hunt. We had a lot of fun. You know,

1159
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: it's sometimes cool to get to hunt real special places

1160
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: like that. It's not like the majority of the places

1161
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: that Duke gets to hunt. You know, it's a lot different.

1162
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: But I wanted to have Duke on. Like I say,

1163
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: he's he's as humble as they come. He won't talk

1164
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: about what he's killed, but just you'll have to trust

1165
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: me when the guy kills some real, real big meal deer,

1166
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: and he knows what he's talking about when it comes out.

1167
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate you having you on here, Duke. Normally,

1168
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: at the end I would say, let people know how

1169
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: they can find out about you, but you probably don't

1170
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: want anybody to follow you or pay any attention, So

1171
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I won't put you through that, So.

1172
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks. I I honestly haven't been on the social

1173
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: media stuff for quite a long time, so you know, yeah,

1174
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really have any of that stuff.

1175
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't blame you, and uh, you know,

1176
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: I grew up real similar like everything was a secret.

1177
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: We never talked about where we killed stuff, and so

1178
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: I can I can really really respect all of that. No,

1179
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate having you on, Like I say that you

1180
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: probably know more about meal deer forgot more than most

1181
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: and appreciate having you on and sharing a little bit

1182
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: of what you know. And good luck. I know we

1183
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: had to this podcasting because you're getting ready to take

1184
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: off I think for the rest of the season or

1185
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: at least this week. So wish you the best of

1186
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: luck and hopefully you can find one of those target bugs.

1187
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: Thanks Jason, thanks for having me.

1188
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: Ye take care