WEBVTT - Taiyaki: Bursting at the Breams

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Savor Prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie

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<v Speaker 1>Ream and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Lauren bubble Bum and today we have an episode for

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<v Speaker 2>you about Tai Yuki.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's going to be fun with pronunciation or

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<v Speaker 1>at least.

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<v Speaker 2>And y'all get to hear my slightly hilarious Japanese accents.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go. Yep, it's going to be fun. Yeah. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any reason this was on your mind? Lauren?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, it had been on my list for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, maybe I just had one and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, why don't we do that as an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea why I originally added it to

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<v Speaker 2>our list. Maybe I was avoiding doing a red bean

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<v Speaker 2>paste or a zookie bean episode in general. Anyway, they're delightful.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>They are delightful, and yes, here we are. I did

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<v Speaker 1>encounter some recently at a festival, and my friends all

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<v Speaker 1>got some. I definitely have had them in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's been a minute. I did not partake in

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<v Speaker 1>this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not usually a sweet human, so yeah, yeah, And it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a fest. It was like a food festival, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had to pick and choose my battles, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did have them and they are delightful. I do love

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<v Speaker 1>red bean paste, oh yeah, meaning of red bean paste.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're just kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>They are, I know, right. Yeah. A shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>friend of the show Brandy, who recently gave me a

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<v Speaker 2>little like wafer and chocolate taiyaki for my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, oh, this is this is so nice,

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<v Speaker 3>just cute, just cute and nice. Yeah yeah, nice little

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<v Speaker 3>bite and it's it feels very it feels very fustive.

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<v Speaker 2>It does it does? You can see, perhaps weirdly, our

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<v Speaker 2>Pizel episode for more on like this type of treat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you never know how things will connect in the

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<v Speaker 1>food Savor universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're talking about like waffle iron desserts, then

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<v Speaker 2>here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are. But I guess that does really to

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<v Speaker 1>our question. Taiyaki what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, taiyaki are fish shaped pastries that are made with

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<v Speaker 2>a light, slightly sweet wheat flower batter encasing some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sweet filling like sweet red bean jam or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like a milk based custard, something like that. The fish

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<v Speaker 2>shape is specifically this kind of cartoony version of a

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<v Speaker 2>red sea breeze, which are these flat but tall fish

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<v Speaker 2>taiyaki do not contain any fish or fish flavoring, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the shape. They are cooked quickly until golden brown

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<v Speaker 2>in molds that are heated on a burner or over

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<v Speaker 2>a flame, or in an electric mold, and served hot

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<v Speaker 2>as a snack or dessert, often on the go from

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<v Speaker 2>street venders and especially at festivals. There are also iterations

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<v Speaker 2>like frozen treats made out of like a thin wafer

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<v Speaker 2>shell containing ice cream, and packaged treats of a wafer

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<v Speaker 2>containing chocolate filling. The shape and just simple delight really

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<v Speaker 2>are the main points here. In those traditional fresh ones,

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<v Speaker 2>you get this crisp outer layer giving way to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a little soft inner dough and then even softer filling,

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<v Speaker 2>not too sweet, and they're so cute. They're just they

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<v Speaker 2>are a fish shaped waffle with a sweet filling. Like

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<v Speaker 2>eating taiyaki is a direct portal to feeling the uncomplicated

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<v Speaker 2>joy of being five years old and getting a nice treat,

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<v Speaker 2>just pure childlike whimsy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree on they're just fun.

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<v Speaker 2>They are, right, Okay, So why a fish shaped treat?

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<v Speaker 2>Well in Japan, where taiyaki are from. The red sea

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<v Speaker 2>bream is like a special occasion protein and a symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of good fortune. It features in a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 2>idioms about luck. The red seabream is sometimes called tai

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<v Speaker 2>in Japanese, and the association with good luck is possibly

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<v Speaker 2>because of a pun involving like the fish tie and

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<v Speaker 2>the word metatai, which means auspicious or joyous puns. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the word taiyaki comes from the fish tie plus yaki,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a word for cooked, like cooked with heat,

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<v Speaker 2>like on a grill or in a pan, and taiyaki

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<v Speaker 2>get their shape from specialty pans. They're basically waffle irons

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<v Speaker 2>in the shape of a fish, with like scales and

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<v Speaker 2>fins and tails the whole thing, and they can come

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<v Speaker 2>in either individual or multi fish pan sizes. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>two sided, three dimensional mold with some kind of handle,

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<v Speaker 2>So like you heat the mold, you pour in the batter,

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<v Speaker 2>close it up, and then place it over a heat

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<v Speaker 2>source and flip it to get even coverage. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there are electric models these days that you can use

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<v Speaker 2>at home the or I mean you can use the

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<v Speaker 2>regular ones at home too, depending on your level of

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<v Speaker 2>bravery here we are. The traditional batter can be anything

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<v Speaker 2>from like basically just like a thin cracker batter to

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<v Speaker 2>a puffy waffle batter right meant to get crispy on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside but stay soft and fluffy on the inside,

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<v Speaker 2>And it can range from like super thin to fairly

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<v Speaker 2>thick and chewy, depending on how you like them. The

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<v Speaker 2>traditional filling is a zuki bean paste, also called uncle

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<v Speaker 2>or on. Azuki beans are a typically like deep brownish

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<v Speaker 2>red colored type of mung bean that have a thick

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<v Speaker 2>and slightly creamy consistency when they're boiled and mashed, and

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<v Speaker 2>are usually cooked down with a little bit of sugar

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<v Speaker 2>into a variably thick paste or jam, either smooth or

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit chunky, depending. It always reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>if peanut, butter and jelly were a single product, like

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<v Speaker 2>slightly savory, kind of toothsome soft and nicely sweet, and

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<v Speaker 2>the layer I know, right, so good, and the layer

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<v Speaker 2>of filling inside the pastry can range from kind of

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<v Speaker 2>minimal to like super thick, like bursting at the seams.

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<v Speaker 2>Other fillings like flavored custards or chocolate are also common,

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<v Speaker 2>but people do all kinds of things with the concept.

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<v Speaker 2>You can use like a flaky croissant dough instead of

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<v Speaker 2>waffle type batter. Yes, In fact, there are magic harp

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<v Speaker 2>taiyaki molds. Why wouldn't there be. They can come in

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<v Speaker 2>other shapes as well, like Sega recently did Demon Slayer

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<v Speaker 2>anime taiyaki that were shaped like the character's faces. There

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<v Speaker 2>are molds made that are basically for making like taiyaki

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream cones. Like the waffle fish has a big

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<v Speaker 2>open mouth, that's a deep pocket that you can fill

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<v Speaker 2>up with soft serve, ice cream or whatever. The filling

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<v Speaker 2>can be anything you want. You can put mochi or

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<v Speaker 2>fruit compote, or ntella or cookie butter in there. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I've seen fusion takes like tayaki filled with

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<v Speaker 2>guava paste and cream cheese, or like trist late chase

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<v Speaker 2>macha soft serve in American Japanese restaurants. They're often served

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<v Speaker 2>with a side of like ice cream or whipped cream.

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<v Speaker 2>You can put savory batter and ingredients in there, like

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<v Speaker 2>basically make like a tai shaped okamiyaki, or maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>taiyaki filled with sausage or curry or ham and cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>There are street vendors serving tayaki everywhere from like Rhode

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<v Speaker 2>Island to Switzerland.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, there are so many iterations. Look it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Recommend, And I do want to specify here that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make any of those things up. Everything that I

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<v Speaker 2>just said to you is something that I personally saw

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<v Speaker 2>or read about on the internet today, So these are

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<v Speaker 2>all real world examples. I do also understand that there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a playful debate about how to eat taiyaki headfirst

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<v Speaker 2>or tail first, and like what that says about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently if you go headfirst, you you're like a very

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<v Speaker 2>like seize the day kind of person. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>go tail first, you might be a little bit more cautious.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe you just like the crunchy of the tail better.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know, man, you do you anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>See I thought about this because I saw this too,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I'd be worried about the filling

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<v Speaker 1>coming out, so I would go for the head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's how I feel, because the filling tends to

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<v Speaker 2>concentrate towards the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listeners, please let us know. I love these kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Well, what about the nutrition.

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<v Speaker 2>Treats are nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Treats are nice. Treats are nice, and people love them.

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<v Speaker 1>They do. We do have some numbers for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one was difficult to find numbers four because

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<v Speaker 2>taiyaki are largely made and sold by individual vendors. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did find a report on the larger industry of

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<v Speaker 2>both traditional and electric taiyaki irons, and as of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, the global market for those was worth nearly

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did read that in traditional shops the bean

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<v Speaker 2>paste can take eight hours to cook and the taiyaki

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<v Speaker 2>themselves take thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I did find a lot of videos about people

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<v Speaker 1>going to visit shops where taiyaki are made, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for pronunciations. I enjoyed the watching of them

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<v Speaker 1>get made, but it was fast. I was like, whoall,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, we've got a very interesting history for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, oh yeah, yeah, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into that as soon as we get

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<v Speaker 2>back from a quick break. For a word from our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So researchers think that tayaki originated in Japan during

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<v Speaker 1>the Meiji period, which was a period of modernization from

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty eight to nineteen twelve, and that it was

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<v Speaker 1>an evolution of pastries that came before it. Anytime we

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<v Speaker 1>do these pastry episodes, it's sort of hard to hard

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<v Speaker 1>to really pin down exacts, but there is a very

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<v Speaker 1>specific story about how this pastry was invented. It credits

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<v Speaker 1>a tokyo shop called Naniwaya Sohonten. The owner said Jiro

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe was trying to come up with a way to

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<v Speaker 1>use up any unsold imagawayaki, which is another similar pastry

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally filled with sweet azuki bean paste, and he got

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<v Speaker 1>the idea to use this mold of a seabream fish,

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<v Speaker 1>which symbolized good luck in Japan and is associated with celebration,

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<v Speaker 1>to make a novel, festive pastry product that quickly became popular.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun, it was an accessible way for people

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<v Speaker 1>who couldn't afford seabream, which was expensive at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate. However, there really isn't anything concrete backing this up.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I can tell, It is possible that I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't get sources from Japan, but I tried to get like,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the specific thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I couldn't most in English, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>story that is repeated.

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<v Speaker 1>That it was at this shop by this guy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and some specifically cite a nineteen oh nine recipe from

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<v Speaker 1>this shop as the first known recipe for tayaki.

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<v Speaker 2>The story also goes that that Kobe was looking like

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<v Speaker 2>he tried a few different shapes for this pastry before

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<v Speaker 2>he landed on the fish shape. I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know here we are, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And kind of expounding on that. There's another story, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is stepping back a bit and varied briefly because

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<v Speaker 1>we can only do so many pastries in one episode. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Historians think that imaga wayaki was invented in seventeen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and it was pretty popular. They were coin shaped pancakes

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<v Speaker 1>made in special irons sort of like a waffle iron

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<v Speaker 1>without the grid pattern, usually filled with sweet azuki bean paste,

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<v Speaker 1>but could be a bunch of other things in there too.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually am really interested to come back and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about them, because I was. I got fascinated by all

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<v Speaker 1>the different iterations of bost and the irons specifically, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>different time for that. By the nineteen hundreds. These pastries

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<v Speaker 1>were sort of old news, though, so vendors got the

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<v Speaker 1>idea to mold them into animal shapes and it was

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<v Speaker 1>mildly successful at first, but it didn't really take off

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<v Speaker 1>until someone used the seabream shape. Again, evidence is sparse,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the generally accepted history and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me personally. Sure. Yeah, stepping back way way,

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<v Speaker 1>further evidence suggests that azuki beans for domesticated in Japan

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<v Speaker 1>for over ten thousand years. They have a long long

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<v Speaker 1>history as an important food stuff there that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to tackle in another future episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah again. Super Briefly, red bean paste was

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<v Speaker 2>originally like a salted savory filling that was used as

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<v Speaker 2>a vegetarian protein source, but morphed into the sweetened product

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<v Speaker 2>we know today as sugar became more available, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was also going into other treats like a pun which

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<v Speaker 2>are like soft bread buns filled with red bean paste,

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<v Speaker 2>and doriyuki, which are pancakes sandwiching red bean paste around

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<v Speaker 2>the same time that Taiyaki developed. But yeah, other episodes

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<v Speaker 2>episode or episodes, Yeah, anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Many episodes were giving ourselves so much homework. But whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>the case at the pastry. Taiaki in question was available

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<v Speaker 1>across the country by the early nineteen hundreds, thinks in

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<v Speaker 1>part to railroads, mass production, and department stores offering them

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<v Speaker 1>for sale. Naniwaya itself franchised, setting up locations across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>I read that at its height there were one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty locations. Today there are about ten, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are one hundred and fifty, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>During the Japanese occupation and colonization of Korea in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties, tayaki was introduced there, leading to the Korean

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<v Speaker 1>version called Bounepong or carpret another separate episode, but from

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<v Speaker 1>what I read, they were popular during tough times, and

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<v Speaker 1>many specifically associate them with winter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah in general, but both of these treats that the

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese version and the Korean version were probably originally cold

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<v Speaker 2>weather treats because they were served hot, like piping hot

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<v Speaker 2>out of the mold, which would be nice if you

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<v Speaker 2>were walking or working outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>Does sound lovely, But speaking of tough times, in the

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<v Speaker 1>utter devastation of the aftermath of World War Two, tayaki

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<v Speaker 1>was an affordable source of comfort for many in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>In the post war period, taiyaki spread to other Asian

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<v Speaker 1>countries and then around the globe. I couldn't find an

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<v Speaker 1>exact date, but sometime in the ensuing decades, grocery stores

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<v Speaker 1>started offering frozen tayaki. This brings us to something I

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<v Speaker 1>had no knowledge of me neither, but very excited to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Super producer Android was like, oh, yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Knew immediately and new a facts about it. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>this brings us to the popular children's song oh Yoka

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<v Speaker 1>Taiyaki kun, sung by Masato Shiman, which debuted in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, and it really boosted taiyaki's profile in a

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<v Speaker 1>way I feel like I can't even accurately encompass for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps specifically the profile of Naniwaya Sohonten, the then owner,

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<v Speaker 1>served as the model for the old man owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the shop, which is in the lyrics and in the video. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about a taiyaki coming to life and swimming

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<v Speaker 1>away to avoid being cooked. He gets in a fight

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<v Speaker 1>with the old man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I don't want to be put to the fire.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving, So he goes out into the ocean and

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<v Speaker 2>swims away.

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<v Speaker 1>He does, but Taiyaki kun is caught by a fisherman

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<v Speaker 1>at sea, so you can never truly escape, and he's eaten. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He goes on all kinds of adventures, he makes friends,

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<v Speaker 2>he makes enemies, but eventually is caught eaten.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yep. It sold four point five million copies. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the first single to debut, is number one on

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<v Speaker 1>the Oricon Singles chart in Japan, and it held the

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<v Speaker 1>top spot for eleven weeks, and it holds the Guinness

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<v Speaker 1>World Record for best selling physical single in Japan to

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<v Speaker 1>this day and yeah, to this day, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>had a resurgence recently. It's huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really yeah. I had no idea highly recommend looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it up. It's really catchy. I'm gonna be singing

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<v Speaker 2>it to myself all day, and the recent pop metal

0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.320
<v Speaker 2>version is just adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I was telling Lauren, I put off listening

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<v Speaker 1>to it for as long as I could because I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried I'd never get it out of my head.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm glad I listened to it. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty intense actually, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thematically, thematically, yeah, it probably helps that it's in another language,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like unlike something that you can really get

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<v Speaker 2>the hook in your head for in English. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know just enough Japanese to be in trouble there, so

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<v Speaker 2>like welp here, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Best of blok Lauren. But that was a really fun

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<v Speaker 1>thing to learn. I had no idea about that. Something

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<v Speaker 1>else I didn't know anything about. In twenty sixteen, New

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<v Speaker 1>York's Tayaki NYC restaurant got all a lot of traction

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<v Speaker 1>on social media by offering soft serve taiyaki. It was

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<v Speaker 1>essentially the taiyaki serve doesn't cone, Yeah, the soft serve,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, it's super cute again, right, that just

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the taiyaki has like a really big mouth

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where you put the ice cream and they

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<v Speaker 2>top it with other stuff and it's adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, And taiyaki innovation and experimentation continues. They are cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we've we've talked a lot before about how social

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<v Speaker 1>media can really move these trends or or make a

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<v Speaker 1>food more popular in places where it wasn't as well

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<v Speaker 1>known before, and they just are visually kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of they're so adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eye catching, you're like, yeah, yeah, But as as

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying at the top, lorn people all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of fillings. People are trying all kinds of things, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to try them all too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love a good stuffed dough product. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, right, More animal shaped waffle treats please?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that too much to add?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Animal crackers are kind of boring, but I think that

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<v Speaker 2>we're onto something here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree. Well, listeners, please write in, send photos

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<v Speaker 1>if you have any, if you've made them, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know how that went.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you possess one of these irons, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a memory, or have been to any of the

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<v Speaker 2>famous shops, yes, the festivals.

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<v Speaker 1>Please let us know. But I think that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>have to say about Tayaki for now. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>We do already have some listener mail for you, though,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are going to get into that as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as we get back from one more quick break for

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<v Speaker 1>Now mom off of its head. I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>if I next time I have a Tayaki. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to see what naturally I would do, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like I would go head first.

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<v Speaker 2>The tail is kind of easier to hold on to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like a natural handle, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I think. And then I read some

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<v Speaker 1>people go for the finn first. No, like the top fin.

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<v Speaker 1>I see that. I see that. Yeah, that could be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an ease of operations thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like, you know, like nibble around the

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<v Speaker 2>edges kind of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. Yeah, well, listeners, let us know if

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<v Speaker 1>you have thoughts about that as well. Okay, so listener,

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<v Speaker 1>Ruth has once again really blessed us with an amazing song.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruth was the one behind the Pumpkin smash. Oh yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I will not be singing this, but I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that if you hommet in your head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it scans really well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. Yeah, yeah, yes. So Ruth wrote a song

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<v Speaker 1>about canon Bear to the Bear Necessities that I shall

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<v Speaker 1>read for you now, with apologies to the mouse. It

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<v Speaker 1>says the cam and Bare necessities a tasty cheese necessity.

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<v Speaker 1>Who thought it caused such trouble and such strife? The

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<v Speaker 1>camm bear Necessities one of Mother Nature's recipes to bring

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<v Speaker 1>more cheesy goodness to your life. Now? Was it a

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<v Speaker 1>monk's gift or just a gal from breed with a

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<v Speaker 1>funky fungus brought it to be? Did Napoleon the one

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<v Speaker 1>give it its name? Or was Number two the one

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 1>to blame? Well? Whoever gave it the name. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great cheesy treat, just the same. We all agree, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>The canon Bear Necessities of Life taste real good too. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so happy to see this. Oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for sharing your gift. You could be like

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<v Speaker 1>the weird aw Yankovic of just Food covers y yeah food. Yeah,

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. I love it. Yeah, yeah, it's it's fantastic. Nos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I also I have to say that The Bare Necessities

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 2>is a is a song that I get in my

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<v Speaker 2>head about like once a quarter, like once every couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months or so apropos of nothing. M h, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I watched too many Disney cartoons as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, beautiful. Now, now I'm going to have this

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 2>alternate version in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how we have two different ear potential earworms. Yeah,

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:48.400
<v Speaker 1>in this episode. That's that's fantastic, beautiful, Thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you genuinely.

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Melissa wrote, I've been meaning to write in for a

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<v Speaker 2>while about strong tea opinions. I spent a year abroad

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<v Speaker 2>in England during college and thought years of preferring tea

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<v Speaker 2>to coffee would serve me well. I was there less

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<v Speaker 2>than a month before shocking a British friend by putting

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>milk in my earl gray. This is an insult to

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the tea. It should be drank black with sugar or

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.880
<v Speaker 2>lemon if you have to. I was taken aback. It's

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>not that different than black tea right. Also, this wasn't

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>coming from some posh snob. My friend was a gutter

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 2>punk with a foot high mohawk and he was being sincere.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong food opinions come for us all, even the anarchists.

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<v Speaker 2>A few random related asides. If you're ever in Montreal,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a Japanese restaurant, Kazu, that's worth visiting for so

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 2>many reasons, including their desserts, offering soft served ice cream

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.720
<v Speaker 2>dusted with earl gray tea ground to the consistency of

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 2>powdered sugar. It's incredible, but also bring flows related to

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>other countries having better Dorito's flavors, at least when I

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 2>was there fifteen years ago. England's chip or as they

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 2>would say, crisps flavors are no joke. Look Walker's offerings.

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 2>It felt like having a full synthetic meal, like roasted

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 2>chicken and thyme, lamb and mint, et cetera. I recently

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>started seeing ketchup doritos in Canada, and personally I find

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>this horrifying, but they keep selling them, so I guess

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>someone likes them. Lastly, in response to the pasta salad episode,

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I recently came across a Martha Stewart tip to add

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<v Speaker 2>Sauer kraut to potato salad. I tried it on a

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 2>basic mayo potato, boiled egg and vinegar recipe and can

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>concur the sauer kraut is pretty great as an add on.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked especially well on leftovers. I'd imagine it'd work

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<v Speaker 2>well on pasta salads as well. Hmm, that's blowing my

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 2>mind a little bit, but sure, yeah, no, I can

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I can see the saur kraut thing. Yeah.

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I'd have to experience it personally, but I

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>can see it working. Yeah, certainly in potato salad. I

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 1>still like, my brain still doesn't want pasta salad to

0:27:56.320 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>really exist, so it's sort of resisting that concept. But yeah,

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 1>someone try it. Let us know, yes, yes, please also

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>please keep this chip information from other countries coming flavor information.

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<v Speaker 1>I love hearing about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And it is super fascinating to me that, like,

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>we don't have meat flavored chips in the United States

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>for some heck in reason because you would think with

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 2>as like macho as we get about more streak or

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>eating meat today, guys like you would think that this

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>would be a flavoring for everything, but it's not. It's

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>certainly not. No, And I'm jealous because it just sounds

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>like good ramen powder, but you just have it on chips,

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, yes, I want that.

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, and I do. I do kind of love

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that the the way you're framing it, as it feels

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>like a full mill almost by the way, they're like, yeah.

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of Wonka related, it's like Wonka adjacent.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, ye. Yes, we have talked about ketchup doritos or

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>ketchup chips, ketchup chips. Yeah, in Canada. Before I believe

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you've tried some on next stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that sounds right. Sure, I think someone someone brought

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 2>them into the office back when we all went into

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the office more often. I think I ate a great

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>deal of those. Yeah, mm hmm, I can see, I

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 2>can see not being into it. Oh sure, especially on Durito's.

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, for some reason, it makes sense to me

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 2>on potato chips, but on douritos I'm kind of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. However, thank you for the Montreal restaurant recommendation.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love I love strong opinions about tea so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that that this anarchist was offended, offended by

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<v Speaker 2>here use of milk and earl Gray, how dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing, Epoxy American get out of here?

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<v Speaker 1>So so good? Oh you're right. Strong food opinions come

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