Speaker 1: It's four fifty eight AM at a non denominational church
Speaker 1: service in the Coachella Valley, and you're listening tonight Call. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Night Call, a podcast for your strange
Speaker 1: days and lonely nights. My name is Emily Yoshida. I
Speaker 1: am in New York, and with me on the other line,
Speaker 1: as always, we have Molly Lambert, and across from me, Hello,
Speaker 1: I'm Test Lynch, and of course I'm Test Lynch, and
Speaker 1: of course I never stopped doing it, and I won't.
Speaker 1: I did the intro for today's episode somewhat blindly because
Speaker 1: I know that there is a new hot religion that
Speaker 1: has taken seed in californ but I don't know all
Speaker 1: the details of it other than it involves Kanye West
Speaker 1: and that it is headed for Coachella. All cultural phenomena
Speaker 1: are eventually, but please tell me everything Molly Sunday Service
Speaker 1: is expert Molly Lambert logging on. Except what I learned
Speaker 1: from treating about this is that Kanye fans get really
Speaker 1: mad if you call it a church. It's an apparently,
Speaker 1: They're like, it's not a church. Nobody called it a church.
Speaker 1: It's just a gathering. But it's a religious gathering. Well,
Speaker 1: but it is not a church service. There's no pastor.
Speaker 1: It's just people gathering in an outdoor space in Calabasas
Speaker 1: somewhere to listen to a gospel choir and Kanye play
Speaker 1: Kanye songs and like classic R and B songs. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So is Chris Jenner the kind of like puppet Master.
Speaker 1: I learned about this because I was like, oh, like
Speaker 1: I saw these blind items. Emily also saw them about
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner starting a religion. Then I like into it
Speaker 1: turns out christ Jenner did start a church. It's different
Speaker 1: than this. No, she started a church, and I believe
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen it was twenty fourteen or twenty sixteen that
Speaker 1: is called uh. I should have looked it up, but
Speaker 1: it's called something very banal and Christian. It's like the
Speaker 1: Christian Fellowship Association or something. And it is not yet
Speaker 1: confirmed that the Kanye Sunday services have anything to do
Speaker 1: with Chris Jenner's own, But how could they not. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of ways that they could not.
Speaker 1: Like the Blinded and that I read actually had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with Chris Jenner. It was hinting that Kanye
Speaker 1: was starting a church that was going to be like ostensibly,
Speaker 1: you know, non denominational, just sort of like a gathering,
Speaker 1: but the end result was that it was like they
Speaker 1: would literally be worshiping him. That's like it would be
Speaker 1: a church. It's like, I want to read it. Have
Speaker 1: you've seen the if you watch the video, because Okay,
Speaker 1: so they've been like promoting this. It's clearly like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're hearing about it because they're information
Speaker 1: being seated by Chris Jenner for us to find out.
Speaker 1: But they've been posting videos of like here's Northwest like
Speaker 1: dancing at church, but they are not at church, but
Speaker 1: just like dancing at Sunday services or whatever. And they
Speaker 1: didn't say specifically where it was. And then they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's this thing Sunday Services. We all just hang out
Speaker 1: in this rented outdoor space somewhere and we invited all
Speaker 1: these celebrities such as Orlando Bloom and Katy Perry I
Speaker 1: believe attended. And you would think that Katy Perry would
Speaker 1: stay the hell away find given her background. I know,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of these people would still
Speaker 1: be staying away from Kanye given yeah, all the Trump stuff.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, if this were like ten years ago and
Speaker 1: this were like the direction he went, and people would
Speaker 1: be like, oh, interesting a gospel album. Sure, But because
Speaker 1: it's now, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it's gonna go in a good direction. It's hard for
Speaker 1: me to look at these things even at this point,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I do not want to, Like,
Speaker 1: I just I feel like it's out of respect for Kanye,
Speaker 1: I need to look away, which is the thing we've
Speaker 1: kind of talked about, okay, for it has this weird
Speaker 1: sense of like as like an influencer church, even if
Speaker 1: it's a small one. For right now, I cannot help
Speaker 1: but think of like, this is such a nerdy comparison.
Speaker 1: But it's like Disney no longer taking movies to comic Con,
Speaker 1: Like if Hillsong is comic Con, it's like, we'll do
Speaker 1: our own thing. We'll have all the best properties and
Speaker 1: people at this thing. It definitely seems like inspired directly
Speaker 1: by proximity to Hillsong, you know, which also is yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: West Value. Everybody went there. Yeah, all the people have
Speaker 1: gone to Hillsong, which you know is a cult yeah,
Speaker 1: and is a Christian called that. How's a lot of
Speaker 1: the music festival Christianity the sort of like more recent
Speaker 1: rebranding of Christianity is like Jesus liked to wander in
Speaker 1: the est and sandals, that's what we're all doing at Coachella. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on, I don't wear sandals. You don't. It's so hot,
Speaker 1: the fool's errands so hot. Then again, I wore I
Speaker 1: wore sandals, Jesus ella and stepped on a chopstick and God,
Speaker 1: but Jesus, Jesus wouldn't complain. Jesus wouldn't complain. That's true. Stigmata. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you christ like. I was extremely christ Like the whole
Speaker 1: time at Coachella, and don't let anyone tell you I wasn't.
Speaker 1: So this is eventually he's taking the service to like
Speaker 1: a an outpost or something, or they're doing like a
Speaker 1: they're doing a pop up pop up at Coachella. But
Speaker 1: it seems to me like they're recruiting people actively, right,
Speaker 1: and whether the goal is to recruit people into an
Speaker 1: actual organization or just to sell them merch like, I
Speaker 1: guess what's the difference a little bit, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: going to sell some merch. Oh, for sure. By all reports,
Speaker 1: Kanye is rather hurting financially. That's the last I heard
Speaker 1: when I read anything in depth or even just gossipy
Speaker 1: about him, was that like all was not well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say also that like when you see the
Speaker 1: footage of this, because like a lot of Kanye fans
Speaker 1: again my mentions being like, why are you being so cynical.
Speaker 1: It's just people celebrating, you know, God and music, Like,
Speaker 1: don't be a hater. Uh, but it's a little sinister looking,
Speaker 1: just because it's like everybody's wearing these white outfits. It's
Speaker 1: very it's a little culty looking. It looks CULTI exacinitely.
Speaker 1: Polyphonic Spree was like not that long ago, but I
Speaker 1: guess everybody's too young to remember that. Wait what happened
Speaker 1: with the Polyphonic spress cult themed stuff? Oh yeah, the optics.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like the time for Kanye to go
Speaker 1: in the cult themedh yeah, he has to wait a
Speaker 1: little a little while. I mean, I think that he
Speaker 1: could have done it right after like Ultra Light Beams,
Speaker 1: like that performance on SNL. I feel like the world
Speaker 1: was ready for like Kanye to pivot to to being
Speaker 1: a pastor Jesus makes sense, but he has that. I mean,
Speaker 1: other people were like, but that was before all this
Speaker 1: other shit happened, right, yeah, but people were like, he
Speaker 1: has a lot of the qualities of like a mega
Speaker 1: pastor anyway does he? Though he seems very unsure of
Speaker 1: himself at times, which seems to be not what a
Speaker 1: like cult leader needs to have. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: reminded of because the Pitchfork, you know, they sometimes run
Speaker 1: reviews of older albums that they didn't have reviewed, and
Speaker 1: so they had done a review of the second Fiona
Speaker 1: Apple album, When the Pond, which is like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite albums of all time, but I've forgotten that
Speaker 1: that was also one of Kanye's favorite albums of all time,
Speaker 1: and he said he listened to Fiona Apple because he
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to rap as if he was
Speaker 1: rapping from the top of a mountain. I believe was
Speaker 1: the quote, WHOA So like this triangle between like uh
Speaker 1: like being a yeah, yeah, like an evangelical or like
Speaker 1: like you know that televangelist quality Fiona Apple and Kanye
Speaker 1: West is like an odd one. But I like trying
Speaker 1: to put it together, and you're saying something good on
Speaker 1: Twitter the other day where you were like, Jesus never
Speaker 1: had a midlife crisis, Like that's the whole appeal. All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's because of this Mary Magdalene movie that's that's
Speaker 1: coming out with Uh with right, you were like you
Speaker 1: were like, what in Phoenix is too old to play Jesus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like in his mid forties and he's basically giving
Speaker 1: the same performance that he gave and you were never
Speaker 1: really here as like a PTSD he's suffering, uh like
Speaker 1: hit man who like like it's it's like that's how
Speaker 1: the Jesus is presented. I was hoping for, like sportella Jesus.
Speaker 1: Well it's sort of there. It's a very it's a
Speaker 1: very slurry Jesus. So yeah, it's it's it's an interesting performance.
Speaker 1: Jesus is hot now Jesus is cool? Uh? And that
Speaker 1: that that movie also has a lot of like white
Speaker 1: gauze and stuff. It's similar, isn't that like what all
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Speaker 1: speaking of spectacular performances, we have been talking about Siegfried
Speaker 1: and Roy because Sigfried and Roy's animal handler Chris Lawrence,
Speaker 1: recently gave an interview to the Hollywood Reporter about what
Speaker 1: really happened with Manticore? Yike, Emily, you said this was
Speaker 1: one of your biggest fears. Yeah, so I was sort
Speaker 1: of surprised to go back and realize that this happened
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. This was like fine, you know,
Speaker 1: in front of a live audience. Roy Horn was attacked
Speaker 1: by one of the Tigers during a show, which effectively
Speaker 1: just shut down the Sigfreedo and Roy Show like they
Speaker 1: had been, you know, the biggest show in Vegas for
Speaker 1: most of the nineties. And I swore that this happened
Speaker 1: when I was younger, because I just remember this giving
Speaker 1: me nightmares, like just you know, you're hearing the hearing
Speaker 1: it on the news on television, like it's it's one
Speaker 1: of the most horrifying things I can imagine being somebody
Speaker 1: in the audience watching it happen. Oh yeah, well, he's
Speaker 1: like Also, there's like a whole lead up that I'd
Speaker 1: kind of forgotten about where they realized that manticor the
Speaker 1: tiger is not like doing what he's supposed to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of like Manticre, are you okay,
Speaker 1: Like say hello, Manticorp. Yeah, and so it's like that
Speaker 1: awful feeling of being in the audience when something's going
Speaker 1: wrong and you don't know, nothing bad happens, but this
Speaker 1: is like the worst thing happened. Yeah, imagine if you
Speaker 1: saw that. No, that's what I'm saying. It would scar
Speaker 1: you forever. And apparently it did scar this guy, Uh,
Speaker 1: Chris Lawrence, the trainer, the main handler, and so he
Speaker 1: he hadn't talked to the media for some time, but
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he's been diagnosed with PTSD. Understandably,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was right there on stage as it
Speaker 1: was happening, and he like feels like he bears this
Speaker 1: responsibility for how it played out because he had like
Speaker 1: agreed to have this tiger be used for the show,
Speaker 1: even though they had planned on another one. Like it
Speaker 1: was just like all the stuff that obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody could have predicted. But he's been blaming himself forever since.
Speaker 1: And also so there's the investigation that happened afterwards, was
Speaker 1: it seems shady as hell. They would not take Chris
Speaker 1: Lawrence's statement, so he said he felt as though he
Speaker 1: had to kind of clear his conscience. But it's like
Speaker 1: the brand, the like Siegfried and Roy brand, kind of
Speaker 1: remains of just like, you can't blame the animals. It's
Speaker 1: not the animal's fault. And I guess that there was
Speaker 1: some people kind of were like, well, maybe Roy was
Speaker 1: having a stroke and the tiger wanted to Yeah that's history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that he was having a stroke on stage. But he
Speaker 1: did suffer a stroke, but it was after the tiger
Speaker 1: had punctured his artery and you know, he has suffered
Speaker 1: a loss of blood from his brain, so he did
Speaker 1: have a stroke. But yeah, it feels like the whole
Speaker 1: thing was just to you know, even if they weren't
Speaker 1: going to have a show anymore, if they were going
Speaker 1: to merchandise in it anyway, and they you know, they
Speaker 1: produced some kids show afterwards about a lion or whatever,
Speaker 1: like the idea that the lions are our friends needed
Speaker 1: to stay intact. You know, big cats are our friends
Speaker 1: and they won't hurt us, and they've been improperly branded,
Speaker 1: which you know, uh, it's a nice Yeah, clearly, well
Speaker 1: Roy also, Roy was like I guess, Siegfried was more
Speaker 1: the illusionist and Roy was more like the tiger guy.
Speaker 1: He always claimed like he had never never even faced
Speaker 1: any aggression from any of the animals and he had
Speaker 1: like a psychic bond with them. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: all like, you know, there was cat dancers in I
Speaker 1: think two thousand and seven, right, and then you know
Speaker 1: there's the Sigfreed and Roy thing coming out, and then
Speaker 1: Grizzly Man. There's like this trifect of Grizzly Man also
Speaker 1: seven I think too. Yeah, yeah, but like Werner Herdsog voice,
Speaker 1: like you cannot you cannot tame the cats, cont tame nature,
Speaker 1: you cannot tame the cat. Cat dancers in the Sigfreed
Speaker 1: and Noy story have this sort of like sheen of
Speaker 1: Vegas showmanship on top of it, which is like the
Speaker 1: show must go on because we're in the ca dancing business. Well,
Speaker 1: also cat dancers was like the most interesting love trying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, ever and that came out that was
Speaker 1: like packaged with crazy love I remember, which was the
Speaker 1: love story the scare quotes love story of a couple
Speaker 1: where the man had blinded the woman by throwing poison
Speaker 1: in her face. And those two came out at the
Speaker 1: same time. And I remember being on HBO. Yes, they
Speaker 1: were both on HBO and they were I believe interviewed together.
Speaker 1: Whereas cat Dancers. There's the one remaining right member of
Speaker 1: the love trying and it's like this guy, the Chris Lawrence,
Speaker 1: the trainer for Sick Food and Roy like he's obviously
Speaker 1: traumatized and he had worked with these guys for a
Speaker 1: few years and worked with these animals for a while.
Speaker 1: But like the added like brutality of cat dancers is
Speaker 1: that the guy and I'm blanking on his name, Uh,
Speaker 1: the guy who's the main storyteller in the Ron Holliday.
Speaker 1: Ron Holliday, like he watched not just like people he
Speaker 1: had been working with, but like literally the two people
Speaker 1: he loved most in the world get you know, torn
Speaker 1: apart of it well, so it's also such an unreliable
Speaker 1: narrator type of thing because he was I think you
Speaker 1: could probably feel some jealousy going on from Ron. And
Speaker 1: so when first the tiger attacked the guy who was
Speaker 1: like the third person, Chuck, Uh that happened, and then
Speaker 1: Joy was like so grieved, and I think that that
Speaker 1: kind of like didn't sit well with Ron. And then
Speaker 1: you add to that the fact that Joy is death spoilers,
Speaker 1: we got we got to spoil spoils. I wilso say
Speaker 1: that like this came up. I had not seen cat
Speaker 1: Dancers before last week. Oh oh yeah, No, I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it because I was talking about the Siga food
Speaker 1: and Roy story. And then huge shout out to both
Speaker 1: Price Peterson and Gideon Yago who both pointed me towards
Speaker 1: cat Dancers, which I had heard of. I just I
Speaker 1: think it came out during my dark ages with cable
Speaker 1: where I just didn't have any like it NMHBO or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Ended on DVD for some reason, and
Speaker 1: I would think for all the right reasons, I made
Speaker 1: a lot of people watch it. Yeah, maybe including tests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you definitely told me to watch cat Dancers. And it
Speaker 1: took like two seconds into the pitch. I was like,
Speaker 1: I will, my name is very doesn't tell you that much.
Speaker 1: It feels in a lot of ways like we're just
Speaker 1: like litigating the eighties. Finally, is that I was saying,
Speaker 1: because there's like Michael Jackson mentioned in this and also
Speaker 1: just all the things You're like, everything is so weird
Speaker 1: that they're talking about like a magician stage show with
Speaker 1: tigers on stage that's for children. Michael Jackson used to
Speaker 1: just come and hang out with the animals. Apparently, according
Speaker 1: to the Hollywood Reporter article, like and to the point
Speaker 1: where the trainers were like annoyed with him, just stay
Speaker 1: and linger. It's also like Siegfried and Roy were lovers
Speaker 1: and then just work partners, which makes you wonder. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize they weren't. I thought that they were still together. No,
Speaker 1: they broke up. No, because's still taking care of me,
Speaker 1: taking care. But I think they're still like best friend.
Speaker 1: I think they talked about it like they were no
Speaker 1: longer together romantically, but they were still like life partners. Look,
Speaker 1: all I want is the Steven Soderberg sigfreedin Roy movie
Speaker 1: like so badly. Yeah, you said you said that, And
Speaker 1: then I was like, that is so correct, And then
Speaker 1: I pitched that it should be Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Yes,
Speaker 1: with Ben Affleck as Roy Horn. I feel like this
Speaker 1: could really mean the rule of a lifetime. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we should make it happen. You guys will start
Speaker 1: a seed and spark about it. Yes, Yeah, raise that money,
Speaker 1: Steven Soderberg, come on night call. I already told Molly
Speaker 1: and Emily this, but I do just want to share
Speaker 1: that I had an encounter with Siegfried and Roy that
Speaker 1: like haunts me forever, which is that I was going
Speaker 1: to a cousin's wedding in New York and this would
Speaker 1: have been like three to four years so it would
Speaker 1: have been ninety nine or two thousand, and my whole
Speaker 1: family was staying in this hotel and I was having
Speaker 1: a guest in my room and I'd lit candles and
Speaker 1: in the lobby there was a giant like pet carrier
Speaker 1: and there was a tiger inside, and then Sigfried and
Speaker 1: Roy like walked through the lobby and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the weirdest day ever. And then at the
Speaker 1: end of the same day, I accidentally lit a lampshade
Speaker 1: on fire with a votive candle and it was my
Speaker 1: most cinematic day. So thank you Sigfried and Roy. Did
Speaker 1: you that the tiger? Yeah, I saw the tiger. It
Speaker 1: was a white tiger. And then I fact checked myself
Speaker 1: before I came here, because I was like, am I
Speaker 1: sure it was this hotel? Like it seems really weird
Speaker 1: that they would allow those in the hotel. And one
Speaker 1: of the people who worked at the hotel gave an
Speaker 1: interview and was like, one of the weirdest things I
Speaker 1: ever did working at this hotel was to watch the
Speaker 1: tigers from Sigfried and Roy's Tigers in the lobby to
Speaker 1: make sure nobody approached them. Yeah again, you're just like, okay,
Speaker 1: so they just let the tigers be in the lobby
Speaker 1: of a hotel in New York. They were in cages on.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I mean, I would assume that
Speaker 1: has to be like a publicity thing or something too.
Speaker 1: It's like they have to get them around. I mean
Speaker 1: it's weird to think, like, how do you get on
Speaker 1: a private plane. I don't know, they're four hundred pounds. Look,
Speaker 1: let's just get to the point. It's not the tiger's fault.
Speaker 1: It's never it's never the animal's fault. But it is like,
Speaker 1: maybe you have to be an insane person to be
Speaker 1: like you have to have a little bit of a
Speaker 1: death wish to work with big cats like that. So
Speaker 1: no way. I don't know though, It's like I think
Speaker 1: you can just brainwash yourself into thinking that you're somehow
Speaker 1: a like special person. It is not. Well I do
Speaker 1: that with my small cat, yes, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think everyone does that with animals. We
Speaker 1: should go to Tippy Hudron's big cat preserved. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's Now's not the time. After talking
Speaker 1: about this, I'm just like, let them be like face
Speaker 1: death by like looking it in the eye across the
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Speaker 1: and a half weeks as promised? Is it Lanner line?
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's l I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad someone else said it. Here's what I
Speaker 1: have to say about nine and a half weeks An
Speaker 1: Airport the best movie we've watched. It is so good.
Speaker 1: I mean, Fatal Attraction will always be really loyal to.
Speaker 1: But this came very close to toppling it. I was
Speaker 1: I had low, low, low expectations. I'd never seen you
Speaker 1: never seen it. No, I don't see why. No. I
Speaker 1: went through a period when I had a lot of
Speaker 1: time when I watched all the erotic film It was
Speaker 1: right when you could first watch movies on the internet, right,
Speaker 1: oh oh yeah. And I was just like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch every movie I ever wanted to watch
Speaker 1: the uncut version, or that's what I was about to
Speaker 1: ask you, guys. I have no idea. I watched whatever
Speaker 1: was on the it's on iTunes, it's fifteen dollars. I
Speaker 1: was like it was a horrible moment. I sat there
Speaker 1: for like five minutes, being like, I don't know. Fourteen
Speaker 1: dollars you did it? No, I didn't. I didn't end
Speaker 1: up doing it like I might buy it just to sadly,
Speaker 1: I'm right behind you. I do it too. I'm going
Speaker 1: to watch this movie again. It is so good. Like
Speaker 1: I feel foolish for not having seen it now, but
Speaker 1: I also feel like maybe I needed to be I
Speaker 1: needed to wait till this moment in my life to
Speaker 1: see it. It contains volumes. I think it's like a
Speaker 1: fascinating film and I could probably talk about it for
Speaker 1: two hours. This no me too. We have to get
Speaker 1: through everything, like we've already had text chains and everything
Speaker 1: about this. But let's for the uninitiated. This movie came
Speaker 1: out in nineteen eighty six. It stars Kim Basinger as
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Mickey Rourke, which, by the way, I have never
Speaker 1: in my life been like Mickey Yorkey. I've never seen
Speaker 1: a Mickey Rourke movie from from a while, No I
Speaker 1: had this. I have to say, I was like Diners,
Speaker 1: not even drawn in He's hot and Diner. But there's
Speaker 1: something specially going on with Mickey Rourke. Margaret Whitten plays
Speaker 1: Molly Tony, Soprano's lawyer is in this movie ordering a
Speaker 1: hot water with lemon and sweet and low in like
Speaker 1: one of an early scene that I was like, I
Speaker 1: like this movie. It's a very weird movie. Christine Baranski
Speaker 1: has like one line and she puts a spoon on
Speaker 1: her nose and everyone laughs and that's it. And it
Speaker 1: also stars Karen Young, who I did not know who
Speaker 1: this woman was, but I knew she was in something
Speaker 1: else I loved, and she was the FBI agent in
Speaker 1: the Sopranos who plays a capital role. That's such an
Speaker 1: amazing call because I did not see that. And as
Speaker 1: soon as you said that on the text chain, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it was gonna make me insane.
Speaker 1: I was like, Emily introduced an idea, which is the Bingo,
Speaker 1: the Eurotic thriller bing. Yeah. Based on our observations thus far,
Speaker 1: we have a long list. I can go through the
Speaker 1: ones I have written down because I started to write
Speaker 1: them down while I was watching this as they occurred
Speaker 1: to me. But okay, so we have house Boat, which
Speaker 1: this movie has a house boat. Check it's not his
Speaker 1: only residence in fact, it's like a friend's house, but
Speaker 1: it's the first place that he takes her to, So
Speaker 1: it's like subduction via houseboat, which very much fits into
Speaker 1: the genre. Venetian blinds. Of course, uh, future Stars of
Speaker 1: the Sopranos, Cocaine, an art gallery separately, an art collector, opera, music,
Speaker 1: sex tapes, sex on stairs or elevators, the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 1: and exhibitionism. Spaghetti dinners with red wine. Spaghetti dinner. Yes,
Speaker 1: garter belts, which I swear to god, I was like,
Speaker 1: no one wore garter belts except in these movies in
Speaker 1: the eighties, like everyone there a lot of garter belts
Speaker 1: in music videos. Also in the eighties, everyone was just
Speaker 1: wearing legs with two g's. They came in the egg.
Speaker 1: Everybody was like a leg person in the eighties. Leg
Speaker 1: I'm a leg man. I made the eighties. That's legs. No,
Speaker 1: you're a There's like so many videos that involved just
Speaker 1: like high heels and like socks. You know that that
Speaker 1: was such a big thing in the eighties that I'm
Speaker 1: still like the height of sexiness high heels with philly socks.
Speaker 1: I also just like the weird ging is gleeking, No
Speaker 1: I didn't know what gleeking was, and during the spaghetti dinner,
Speaker 1: I was like, did he just gleek at her? Like
Speaker 1: this is the whole movie was so funny. We squirt
Speaker 1: saliva through your TeV something only some people can do,
Speaker 1: but they can gleek, roy Our producer saying he can gleek,
Speaker 1: you can gleek, right, thing I just learned last week
Speaker 1: about gleeking And I was like what And then I
Speaker 1: was like, I just caught an accident gleek with that spaghetti.
Speaker 1: They have sex on stairs in this in this movie, uh,
Speaker 1: when they are underground in this sewer, like basically in
Speaker 1: a sewer. Well before we saw it, I was it
Speaker 1: was again like like he hand the rocks of Cradle,
Speaker 1: where I was like, is this an erotic thriller? Because
Speaker 1: I knew that it was like a drama and it's
Speaker 1: essentially like I was thinking of it as like the
Speaker 1: prototypical fifty shades of gray, like it's just the story
Speaker 1: of a love affair. I didn't know how nobody Dollar
Speaker 1: Aspect would beat it. But it is extremely tends to
Speaker 1: watch an extreme like I was nervous while watching a
Speaker 1: lot of this because it is they use horror music. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean the horror music will come on like during
Speaker 1: a sex scene and you're like, holy shit. And he
Speaker 1: also on the houseboat, he's like no one can hear
Speaker 1: you scream, and he talks at this low register and
Speaker 1: he's always smiling, always smirking. You know. One of the
Speaker 1: like early scenes where I was like, everyone's gonna die.
Speaker 1: He puts her on a ferrisviel by herself. He has
Speaker 1: a guy like cranker to the top of the ferris wheel.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, ah, I'm leaving goodbye, And
Speaker 1: I was like I can't believe she's gonna stay, Like,
Speaker 1: how is there a more movie? Unless he like puts
Speaker 1: her in a basement. She's into it. She's into it.
Speaker 1: That reminds me of like The Bachelor or anything where
Speaker 1: they like have to jump off of a cliff together
Speaker 1: and like the girl is like always genuinely terrified and
Speaker 1: screaming and sometimes a guy too, and then like, but
Speaker 1: that's what like, that's like a psychologically proven thing that
Speaker 1: will draw people together because it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we went through this intense thing together, or like I
Speaker 1: went through this intense thing with you, and now I
Speaker 1: feel like that much more of a bond, even if
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a positive bond. Yeah no, this it
Speaker 1: introduces the s and m that will come into play.
Speaker 1: Yeah matter. So like this movie is basically just like
Speaker 1: John Gray. Is that his name? Yes, John Gray. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like meant to be the most anonymous name
Speaker 1: and like definitely a precursor to Christian Gray as well.
Speaker 1: But like he's just this like a Wall Street guy
Speaker 1: who meets Elizabeth who works at an art gallery when
Speaker 1: they're in Chinatown, and then instant spark. He had to
Speaker 1: have her type things. They go out, what did they
Speaker 1: do on They go for a drink like a Polish
Speaker 1: restaurant or something. It starts as a normal Relationshi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very cute. It's like a very then it's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it's like it gets really weird. Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing that this movie has in its favorite
Speaker 1: is just that it's like so gorgeous. It's one of
Speaker 1: the prettiest New York movies I've ever seen, on top
Speaker 1: of all the bizarre sex that's happening. Like yeah, all
Speaker 1: these movies make me realize why it's just like everyone
Speaker 1: lived in eighties New York. Yeah, and too. It's a
Speaker 1: wonderful touch. Also that all the intertitle fonts are Woody
Speaker 1: Allen font but in like six fact he read also
Speaker 1: shout out to using roxy music really well in this movie.
Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, it is eighties New York. It's like,
Speaker 1: here's what I learned about this movie too. It was
Speaker 1: a bomb yeah in America, and then it became a
Speaker 1: big hit internationally in the uncut vers unedited yeah cut version,
Speaker 1: because the Europeans love the softcore. So, like the arc
Speaker 1: of this movie is basically like he starts introducing this weird,
Speaker 1: sort of dominant and also kind of unconventional. His tastes
Speaker 1: are unconventional, like element into the relationship. She's like continually
Speaker 1: and sort of like I don't know place, and then
Speaker 1: goes along with it, and it keeps going like further
Speaker 1: and further. She gets like more and more spacey at
Speaker 1: her job. She thinks she's being hypnotized by the watch
Speaker 1: he gives her, and then it kind of hits this point.
Speaker 1: I feel like the breaking point is the like crawl
Speaker 1: on your knees from any point, which is like so alarming,
Speaker 1: even after all this other stuff, because some of the
Speaker 1: stuff I genuinely think is sort of amazing, like like
Speaker 1: sending her men's clothing to dress up and a mustache.
Speaker 1: It's so, it was great. It's great, and it's and
Speaker 1: then that culminates in like the best sex scene of
Speaker 1: the entire movie as well, I think, which is the
Speaker 1: which is the underground source. But because she's like, I
Speaker 1: just want to be one of the guys. And then
Speaker 1: he like takes her out for a drink and like
Speaker 1: talks about her as if he's like another guy, like
Speaker 1: locker room talk or something. And then they go and
Speaker 1: like get in a fight in a street fight. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you're gay, people think, and then yeah, and then
Speaker 1: she stabs the people in the stabs him, but then
Speaker 1: they like backs to celebrate. It's so weird. It is
Speaker 1: so weird that I mean it is. It's a very
Speaker 1: confusing reaction that the opera kind of. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is very much like I don't want to meet your friends,
Speaker 1: even a sewer. You can only belong sewer. It's the
Speaker 1: Phantom of the Opera. But he's also Patrick Bateman and
Speaker 1: Emily and I both had this thought. And there's this
Speaker 1: part where he like when he first brings her. I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's when he first brings her to his apartment,
Speaker 1: but it may actually be on the house boat and
Speaker 1: he goes, do you like music? And then he's like
Speaker 1: Billie Holiday and he puts on strange fruit and it's like,
Speaker 1: what weird? And I was just picturing Breddystonellis like watching
Speaker 1: this movie and being like, the logical conclusion is that
Speaker 1: he's like a PSYCHOA Bertie ston Ellis is probably watching
Speaker 1: it and being like, this is the coolest guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. Then he takes her back to his apartment
Speaker 1: where he has like the six TVs, which is totally
Speaker 1: like I associate with like less than zero again, well,
Speaker 1: American Psycho. The movie is so good because it parodies
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that's a balance also sell the
Speaker 1: remove of being made in the late nineties, so you
Speaker 1: have that kind of fifteen year at least fan peak
Speaker 1: of like Wall Street extreme. Yeah, made by a woman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: made by a woman in the nineties. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: is definitely all the stuff that I thought was like
Speaker 1: grown and sexy when you first because that's like when
Speaker 1: we were kids in the eighties, We're like, this is
Speaker 1: what grown ups were like they wear suits and have
Speaker 1: Venetian blinds. They go to art gallery and eat caviar
Speaker 1: and then have sex and a sewer after an elaborate
Speaker 1: fantasy role play. Okay, well, speaking of the sex scenes,
Speaker 1: can we talk about the fridge. Yeah, the fridge scene,
Speaker 1: that's like an upsetting scene for me. It was it
Speaker 1: was so funny and like over the and it was
Speaker 1: parodied like every year. Well, I mean, I've seen like
Speaker 1: three different parodies of this, but you don't need to
Speaker 1: parody it because it's its own parody. And the funniest
Speaker 1: thing is that he like cracks an egg and then
Speaker 1: slices with an egg slicer a hard boiled egg, as
Speaker 1: if he's just like hard boiled with his mind. And
Speaker 1: then he gives her like seventy different kinds of cherries.
Speaker 1: He's like, here's a real cherry, here's Maraschino cherries, here's
Speaker 1: some cherry liquor. He's like, I and meanwhile, you're looking
Speaker 1: into her fridge at all you see is like half
Speaker 1: a watermelon, and the thing is open for so long
Speaker 1: it's insane, exactly like the electricity bills. They all kiss
Speaker 1: for a really long time. He's just feeding her. He
Speaker 1: feeds her. He starts off with the marichino cherry. Then
Speaker 1: I think he goes to strawberries and cherry tomatoes, and
Speaker 1: then he gives her a hall of panio. Then he
Speaker 1: yeses her. It's her breaths and he's so weird. No,
Speaker 1: she gives her the pepper and then he dumps milk
Speaker 1: into her mouth and then he like, but they I
Speaker 1: don't think they kiss until after he's like squirted honey
Speaker 1: all over her. And the only thing I could think
Speaker 1: of is, like, right before this scene, you see the
Speaker 1: cat come in. She has a cat, and like he's
Speaker 1: gonna get covered in honey. Like she's on the floor,
Speaker 1: which is probably disgusting, and she's covered in honey and
Speaker 1: he's like licking it off. Thinking about it. I do
Speaker 1: love the shot where the cat like just walks out,
Speaker 1: like sees himself out around the cats go in the bingo.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's some cats, Yeah, there's been some
Speaker 1: good cats. Well, there's only a bunny and a dog.
Speaker 1: I believe in fatal attractions, so we can't check that.
Speaker 1: But there has to be the domesticated animal because these
Speaker 1: are all there, you know, the domestic domesticating a human
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I was very interested to read about
Speaker 1: the book that this is based off of. Also, there's
Speaker 1: a really interesting article about Ingeborg Day, who is the
Speaker 1: author of the book. She she published it sudonamously. It's
Speaker 1: called Nine and a half Weeks, and she published it
Speaker 1: in the name of the character Elizabeth something, but now
Speaker 1: her name is out there. But there's a twenty twelve
Speaker 1: New Yorker article by Sarah Wineman about she also wrote
Speaker 1: a memoir under her own name about the fact she'd
Speaker 1: grown up with her dad was a Nazi and she's
Speaker 1: just been trying to reckon with this her entire life. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then she also had this, you know, this memoir
Speaker 1: of this you know, sado masochistic affair that like seems
Speaker 1: to have really upset her and like permanently altered her life. Well,
Speaker 1: because it was so much worse than what happened in
Speaker 1: the adaptation, because if this had been adapted truthfully, you
Speaker 1: would have been like noping out of there. Interesting thing
Speaker 1: about it to me, though, it was like all the
Speaker 1: stuff about Nickey Rourke's version of this guy being this
Speaker 1: sort of domesticated man, like he's like I want to
Speaker 1: take care of you. I want to cook for you
Speaker 1: and feed you and like lay out your clothes in
Speaker 1: the morning like a housewife. Basically. Yeah, then I want
Speaker 1: to like dominate you at night, which but also I
Speaker 1: won't meet your friends, right, Yeah, it's very like pretty woman. Also,
Speaker 1: it's like we can do all this weird ship, but
Speaker 1: we can't kiss on the mouth because that's too intimate. Right.
Speaker 1: It's so much more interesting than just being a straight
Speaker 1: up like fantasy like erotica type thing, because it's such
Speaker 1: a mind fuck to have this guy who's like both
Speaker 1: at acting out. Like I was saying to Tessa, I
Speaker 1: was just like, it's like he read that porn for
Speaker 1: women book or something, and he's like, oh, yes, I
Speaker 1: shall be this for her. But it's like super super disturbed.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that, like BDSM relationships are
Speaker 1: are disturbed in some way, but clearly this guy has
Speaker 1: some issues. Wow. And there's a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 1: like on the border of consensual in this Like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's sort of why the whole thing feels so tense,
Speaker 1: because you're just like, is she into it or is
Speaker 1: she not? I need to know whether she's into this.
Speaker 1: Or not. And her performance is great because there are
Speaker 1: times when you are very surprised, especially at the end.
Speaker 1: I think you can by her. Yeah, she rules. She's
Speaker 1: so good in this Yeah. Also, though, what's interesting about
Speaker 1: the memoir Nine and a half Weeks is that Ingborg
Speaker 1: Day worked at Miss magazine. Yeah, and then she she
Speaker 1: left because this affair drove her to have a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 1: And actually the guy she was having the affair with
Speaker 1: dropped her off and a mental asylum and then was
Speaker 1: like peace out on gone and she was there for
Speaker 1: months and months. But what's really interesting about this movie
Speaker 1: and all of the movies on our Erotic Odyssey, I
Speaker 1: think is that part of the real tension is that,
Speaker 1: you know, Elizabeth seems to like love her job so much,
Speaker 1: and her affair with John makes it impossible for her
Speaker 1: to be able to be on task at work, to
Speaker 1: the point where like as a weird like sea plot,
Speaker 1: she ends up like finding an artist who is maybe
Speaker 1: suffering from dementia and because she's like it's also yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so weird, yeah, where she's just like come to
Speaker 1: this gallery opening and everyone's like he's so weird. And
Speaker 1: then she feels like she's kind of like dropped the
Speaker 1: ball and like really harmed someone, and that kind of contributes.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because all of the erotic thrillers that
Speaker 1: we've watched from the eighties and early nineties kind of
Speaker 1: deal with like a woman feeling well, just like a
Speaker 1: woman who's like chasing her career or like balancing the
Speaker 1: like her like sex life or her family life with
Speaker 1: her career, and like he's just like money corrupting her.
Speaker 1: Well that's wants her to be, yeah, exactly, it's like capitalism.
Speaker 1: So this scene that takes place after they hit like
Speaker 1: they go like they have this huge fight because she
Speaker 1: he like brings a third without her consent to the
Speaker 1: like to the Chelsea hotel. He like has a sex
Speaker 1: worker who comes and meets them there and she wasn't
Speaker 1: okay with it, and then like they run into like
Speaker 1: they like they basically have this traumatic like fight slash,
Speaker 1: like they make out at this sex show and Times Square.
Speaker 1: It's just like horrifying and like real like her performance
Speaker 1: and it is like totally like it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's so so so good in it. But then she
Speaker 1: has to go from that to this opening and it's
Speaker 1: like when she's in this completely emotionally you know rot place,
Speaker 1: and then she sees, you know, this artist who's just
Speaker 1: sort of lost at this gallery full of these like
Speaker 1: yuppies and like New York art people and stuff, and
Speaker 1: he's just like this kind of older man who apparently
Speaker 1: like lives upstate or lives in the country or something,
Speaker 1: and they both kind of meet eyes and like that
Speaker 1: really I thought that, like I kind of I started crying,
Speaker 1: like I like tear it after in that because like
Speaker 1: it's so good for me. It was like it wasn't
Speaker 1: just that she had like neglected her job. It was
Speaker 1: like as much as she had kind of like co
Speaker 1: opted this guy to be a part of like this
Speaker 1: New York art scener whatever, like her being a part
Speaker 1: of this New York art scene or being like a
Speaker 1: creative class person was co opted by this guy just
Speaker 1: for his like amusement. It's just like this like Turtles
Speaker 1: all the way down type thing and like realizing that
Speaker 1: you're a part of this system and it feels like
Speaker 1: this origin story for like the next twenty years of
Speaker 1: New York development, and like all the artists and creative
Speaker 1: people being pushed on and everything too because it's like
Speaker 1: she has an art gallery where it's like she's part
Speaker 1: of the problem, but she doesn't even know it. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a great movie, Agian. Whatever they are, they're all
Speaker 1: kind of about. Faithful is also a like tremendously sexy movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all about like sex taking over your life to
Speaker 1: the point of mania where you like can't accomplish anything else,
Speaker 1: which is like a good thing for movies to Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I feel like he really like he respects the
Speaker 1: characters enough and like clearly respects the actors enough to
Speaker 1: get these incredible performances out of them, so that like
Speaker 1: when you do have what otherwise would feel like a
Speaker 1: completely unner and sex scene or just like gratuitous, like
Speaker 1: you're totally in it by that point you're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're good doing it in the clock and things can
Speaker 1: have know and like something that has like like the
Speaker 1: sex scenes only are going to be good if you're
Speaker 1: like interested in the character exactly. The characters are so
Speaker 1: much more interesting than in Jade Her Body of Evidence
Speaker 1: for that. It's like and they're a quirky and whimsical
Speaker 1: and there's like some like weird like I was like,
Speaker 1: is she basing this off of Annie Hall or is
Speaker 1: that the hat and the coats? But there's a like
Speaker 1: I'm carrying all these balloons and laughing at everything. Are
Speaker 1: they run the levels on Coachy Island like board walk?
Speaker 1: I want to go to that New York right. Well.
Speaker 1: Also what's interesting is so I didn't realize that Kim
Speaker 1: Basinger like had a horrible bout of agoraphobia where she
Speaker 1: didn't leave her house for like months. I guess because
Speaker 1: she was she just like couldn't handle it. But it's
Speaker 1: also a really good, uh view into living in New
Speaker 1: York when there's like it just it it's such a
Speaker 1: weird snapshot of eating New York. And I kind of
Speaker 1: remember from like being a kid of just like there
Speaker 1: was like lots of yelling. Nobody was like on their phone.
Speaker 1: I sound so old. There's nobody was on their phone.
Speaker 1: So they were hitting cabs all the time. Yuppies. But
Speaker 1: you still have the Times Square sex shows, right, but
Speaker 1: still genuinely downtown, like yes, yeah, but it feels like
Speaker 1: this like very chaotic, like over overly like sensory kind
Speaker 1: of experience. And then his apartment is so sterile and
Speaker 1: so quiet and so calm, and he brings her there
Speaker 1: and won't let her leave, and it's almost like he's
Speaker 1: kind of like shielding and protecting her and like almost
Speaker 1: depriving her from like any sensory stuff. Yeah. Well right,
Speaker 1: it's also just like what you yeah, like this the
Speaker 1: site is gonna win, Like yeah, you know, just that
Speaker 1: thing of like I'm taking care of you. But like
Speaker 1: maybe you don't realize, like you don't want it. It's
Speaker 1: about it. But she did want it, but then she
Speaker 1: did not to do a psycho val on Kim Basinger,
Speaker 1: but then she did marry Alec Baldwin, who seems very controlling,
Speaker 1: you think, Yeah, I mean again, like I feel like
Speaker 1: all these movies are just like they're such good roles
Speaker 1: for women. Yeah what I'm like, Oh, look at all
Speaker 1: these great actresses who got undervalued because they were also
Speaker 1: like good sex symbols like Kim basing her back into mourning.
Speaker 1: I think about like somebody's internal sensual and romantic interior,
Speaker 1: Like it's not so much more interesting than just being
Speaker 1: like pretty women where it's like yeah, like I was
Speaker 1: paid for it, and that's how it got in this
Speaker 1: crazy situation. It's like she wanted something. She clearly wanted this,
Speaker 1: and like having a character who wants something and is
Speaker 1: like interested in a certain kind of like unconventional affair
Speaker 1: is really interesting and it's like very dramatically compelling on screen.
Speaker 1: But all anyone talks about is the food stuff because
Speaker 1: you have we should rank all of all of the
Speaker 1: sex scenes in this. For the first half of it,
Speaker 1: I was like, are there not going to be that
Speaker 1: many sex scenes other than like this crazy food scene
Speaker 1: that's happened. And then I really I thought that the
Speaker 1: ice Cube sex scene and the Sewer sex scene were
Speaker 1: really up there for me. Yeah, ice Cube is the
Speaker 1: first one. It's it's pretty good. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: only thing that kind of ruins ice Cube one for
Speaker 1: me is that he's like smiling through the He's smiling
Speaker 1: through the whole movie though. That's one of the weird
Speaker 1: things where you're like this, So there's that one. The
Speaker 1: Sewer one is good, There's the the one that goes
Speaker 1: away at the Chelsea Hotel, which is not so fun.
Speaker 1: Let's push that down the list. Yeah, and then uh,
Speaker 1: clock tower, clock tower is really good. The clock is
Speaker 1: that the same one as you can leave your hat
Speaker 1: on or do they just one that's like her doing
Speaker 1: for him? That was like too goofy. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: way too different. Music could have made this work, I
Speaker 1: feel like, but yeah it was. It was a little silly.
Speaker 1: You guys don't put you can leave your hat on
Speaker 1: to sex times. It's just a no answered such a
Speaker 1: fast song. Again, in the eighties, I feel like people
Speaker 1: were constantly putting on a man's shirt and hat to
Speaker 1: a strip tease, right, and a mustache everyone did. Everyone
Speaker 1: did the mustache. The fact that he didn't peel off
Speaker 1: the mustache for so long it was like, oh choice again,
Speaker 1: this movie full of surprises. I liked the selection of
Speaker 1: hotels as well, like Algonquin for the boy date and
Speaker 1: then and then Chelsea for the like nonccessual threesome. There
Speaker 1: are all these different moods and spaces set and setting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he he was like, oh, I used to like
Speaker 1: live in hotels all my life or something like right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you become obsessed with finding out anything about him, because
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing is you won't tell her anything
Speaker 1: about it, which is interesting because like then you watch
Speaker 1: fifty Shades of Gray and you're like, I don't care
Speaker 1: what his deal is whatever his deala is. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's so it's so like sanitized compared
Speaker 1: to this movie. They didn't have sex any sewers as
Speaker 1: far as I know, in Fifty Shades of Gray or
Speaker 1: any of any of that franchise. Well, the whole premise
Speaker 1: of Fifty Shades of Gray and not to knock it
Speaker 1: because it has a place in our culture and I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't deny its importance and something yeah
Speaker 1: I saw, yeah, but like the premise of it is
Speaker 1: what if a rich, hot guy was into you and
Speaker 1: like why not fuck you expensively? Like I wanted to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on things. But that first movie,
Speaker 1: that first fifty Shades of Gray movie, is good because
Speaker 1: it does also go with the downer ending where it's
Speaker 1: like she's getting her agency taken away from herself and
Speaker 1: she's like actually about yeah, actually I can't do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. Well, all Finndomb stuff is sort of like
Speaker 1: the other way around now, like right, like like men
Speaker 1: who want to be dominated by women, right, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? You're talking about how yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to be finndombed by night calls. I
Speaker 1: don't think we have the resources to find any but
Speaker 1: we did. We sure knew he was to know we
Speaker 1: just as people send you money. But like the idea
Speaker 1: heterosexuality is all about being phantom, draw attention to the
Speaker 1: fact that there's like a transactional nature which were money
Speaker 1: there on sort of a under the surface level at first,
Speaker 1: and then I think it really becomes explicit once he starts,
Speaker 1: like the bed scene when they buy the bed. I
Speaker 1: laughed out loud when he they like buy a bed.
Speaker 1: I was I was kind of confused as to what
Speaker 1: was even going on. But there's a whole, very long
Speaker 1: conversation with him and this bed saleswoman where they're like
Speaker 1: customizing the mattress and like picking out the ticking for
Speaker 1: the mattress ticking what is dicking? And then and then
Speaker 1: he's like, can my lady friend lie on on the bed.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's another absurd scene. I think it's
Speaker 1: and it's a long, really long, but there's it's part
Speaker 1: of this whole sequence where he's buying stuff for her,
Speaker 1: like he buys her like yuppie clothes, and he buys
Speaker 1: her like a writing crop and stuff and like all
Speaker 1: this stuff and that that is like more centralized than
Speaker 1: something like Fifty Shades of Gray, where it's like, cool,
Speaker 1: we're going to go sex shopping. This is like after
Speaker 1: they're kind of really in the throes of the relationship,
Speaker 1: but that definitely exists there. And then like obviously, once
Speaker 1: the money starts to become more and more explicitly a
Speaker 1: part of the relationship from the point where he's making
Speaker 1: her crawl across the room for it, then that feels
Speaker 1: like everybody gets a little bummed out. He also makes
Speaker 1: her steal, which is like, I guess that that has
Speaker 1: its place, but I was like, don't steal. That's apparently
Speaker 1: she knows. I have a hang up about that. No,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm agree, I agree, but I think I
Speaker 1: saw that in the book. That's like, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: big part of it. That was real life that he
Speaker 1: like it escalated into like now we're going to feeling
Speaker 1: and mugging someone, Like, yeah, it escalated into crime, which
Speaker 1: is what it kind of feels like it might in
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, but it is interesting because it is like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're first dating somebody for the first
Speaker 1: ten weeks and they might be a serial killer, right, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: they're either just doing nice things for you or it's
Speaker 1: because like it's a lead up to they're gonna kill you. Yes,
Speaker 1: and this movie really captures that and that's exciting. What
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Speaker 1: any suggestions, yes, we've been enjoying getting the suggestions. That's
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Speaker 1: sending them. I heard another request for Jagged Edge. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll do jagged Edge. I'm a friend of the pod
Speaker 1: Karina Longworth. So Karina, we will do jagget Edge for you. Perfect,
Speaker 1: let's do it on Yes, Karina has to come on
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