1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of My Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: Radio Get Everything, So don't don't don Hey, guys, welcome 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: back to the Worst year ever. And I think we 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: can all agree it truly is the worst year ever. 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: My name is Katie Stole, that's true, I'm kind of 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: name it's Cody. Last name is Johnston. Hello, my name 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: is Robert Evans, and I don't see why everyone's saying 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: this is such a bad year. Now to take a 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: single sip of coffee and check the news for the 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: first time since this summer, are all over your face? 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: What are you doing? And uh? Joining us today? We 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: have a very special guest that we are lucky to 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: with us. And your name is I am Cave Joda. 14 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: I am a doctor, a gastro intrologist, and hepatologist. I'm 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: the host or co host of a medical podcast called 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: The House of Pod and I practice in the San 17 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Francisco Bay Area. Damn straight love the Bay Area represent 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: and cava. So I'm interested. Like right now, it seems 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: to me that you as like all sort of medical 20 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: professionals in in the Bay Area, like any kind of 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: dense city in the US. Um Like you're not all 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: an e rs right now. But I think you're all 23 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: kind of waiting to get called up, Like there's this 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: there's this knowledge that once the number of infect it 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: hits a certain point, everybody with an m D is 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: going to be front and center like dealing with the problem. 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: And it it seems to me like you're kind of 28 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: standing on the shore waiting for a wave to hit. Yeah, 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: that's exactly how it feels. It is a stressful time. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: Because of the show. I talked to a lot of 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: people in the East Coast, New York, UM, a lot 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: of doctors in that area, and I'm hearing about what's 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: happening there and we're not at that point, at least 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: not yet. But it's sort of a a waiting game 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: at this point. Everyone is anxious. All the doctors are scared, 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, they're scared for their patients and what's going 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: to happen to them. They're scared for what's to come 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: this way you're talking about. They're scared for their families 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: and themselves. You know. It's um, it's it's a strange 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: time for for doctors in this country. It's my friends 41 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: who are in the e er. They go to work 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: every day knowing that they're putting themselves a really higher risk. 43 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Same for I see you doctors and esthesiologist, hospitalist, two 44 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: doc families where there's like a two doctors in the household. 45 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: They're making sure that they have their wills in place. 46 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: You know, my, my, my doctor friends who have been 47 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: staving that good whiskey up on the shelf, they they're 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: drinking that whiskey. Now they're not saving it anymore. It's 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: it's scary. I mean, it's a doctors in general are 50 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: really risk adverse group. I mean, that's why we went 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: into medicine. It's kind of a linear thing. You don't 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: have to think too much outside the box in most cases. 53 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: And most of these people never had any idea that 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: this is what was going to hit us. But I mean, 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: to the credit of my colleagues, I mean, they're handling 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: it amazingly. No one's talking about not going into work. 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: No one's talking about not going I talked to E 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: R doctors, I see doctors in New York. I spent 59 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot of time on the phone the last couple 60 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: of days with them, and they're exhausted, they're terrified. They're 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: planning to make decisions that no doctors should ever have 62 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: to make and they're doing it with I don't know, amazing. 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm impressed. I'm inspired by by my colleagues right now. Yeah, 64 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: my brother, My brother is a doctor in Dallas and 65 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: he's he's in his residency and he's working in the 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: i c U. And doctors are calling out there, he 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: was telling me, And so he's having to to work 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: more shifts for them. So because they're sick or because 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: they just don't want to go in because they are 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: either not that they don't want to come in, it's 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: just that they have one symptom or have been around 72 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: somebody and are worried about spreading symptoms and so that Yeah, no, 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: that's that's that's um, that's that's something we're really worried about. Like, um, 74 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: if a group of doctors, if one of them get sick, 75 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: they're in really close contact with each other, what's going 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: to happen to that group of doctors when they go down? 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: And that's something that they're dealing with now in Seattle, 78 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: New York. We thankfully knock on Wood haven't experienced too 79 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: much of that yet here in the Bay Area, but 80 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: that is something that all the hospitals are sort of 81 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: planning around and trying to figure out. And it strikes 82 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: me that as this as this gets as bad as 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: I think it's now going to get, um, I don't 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of faith that the the curve is 85 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: going to flatten in the immediate future, especially in places 86 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: like New York, which seems like it's already gearing up 87 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: for something. Um, very difficult to imagine right now, Uh, 88 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: what how do you take care mentally of doctors and 89 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: nurses and even people like you know, janitorial staff at hospitals, 90 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: the people who are going to be ground level with 91 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: like overflowing wards and people dying in larger numbers than 92 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: they're used to, and like this, the days and days 93 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: like like like like shifts that are much longer and 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: much more like emotionally taxing the normal, Like how do 95 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: you how do you take care of our first responders 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: through this? Yeah, that's it's a great question. I can 97 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: cuss your right, Yeah, yeah, OK, that's a great question. Um. 98 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: And it's not actually you don't have to imagine it 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: too much. It's it's not like it's just happening in 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: Italy and Iran, Now New York is is awful. It's 101 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: terrifying the things that are happening in New York. I mean, 102 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: it's there's they're intubating so many people on a daily basis, 103 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: so many people events. They're having to make decisions like 104 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: how do we get to patient on one ventilator? Do 105 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: we have enough morphine to sedate this patient comfortably while 106 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: they're on the ventilator. There's there's gonna be tremendous stress 107 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: on I'm glad you mentioned it, not just the doctors, 108 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: but the supporting staff that are there too. It's gonna 109 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: mean there's gonna be some level of PTSD that comes 110 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: from this for these doctors in the E R and 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: the i C in particular. I don't I don't know 112 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: if there's any way around that. And you know, we haven't. 113 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: We discussed this on our show quite a bit. It 114 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: was one of the main reasons we started the show. 115 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: At baseline. Before all this started, there was a lot 116 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: of talk about moral about the morale of medicine going 117 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: way down, and they're being a lot of stress on doctors, 118 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: a lot of burnout. That's been a major factor from 119 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: before this was an issue. So it's gonna be an issue. 120 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I work in a in a system that's 121 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: pretty good, takes a good job, takes care of its 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: of its staff as well as it can. But everywhere 123 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: is gonna feel it. Every doctor is going to feel it, 124 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be something that we'll deal with. But 125 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: right now, every doctor I know is sort of one 126 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: crisis at a time. We'll deal with that later. What 127 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: is it that we can do, like right now in 128 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: the immediate term to reduce the amount of of stress 129 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: and trauma that that y'all at the kind of bleeding 130 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: edge of this, uh, this fight have to endure, Like, 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: what what is what can we do to make this 132 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: suck as little as possible for you? You well, uh, 133 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: you guys. First of all, the show is great. I 134 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: love the show, guys, So I mean that, you know, 135 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I listened to it all the time and it helps me. 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: So that that's one thing you guys have already started 137 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: doing that. But for the general population that doesn't have 138 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: a show about politics with a bunch of funny people 139 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: on it, you can stay home so you don't get 140 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: sick or don't spread it. I mean, again, this talk 141 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: of flattening the curve, it's not We're not saying that 142 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: we're not gonna have lots of people get sick in 143 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: this country. We're not saying that there's not going to 144 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: be a lot of deaths. All we're saying is give 145 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: our medical system time to deal with it. And that's 146 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: not overwhelming. And if people can do that staying at home, 147 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: if they can, if they can try and just help 148 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: slow the rate of this thing, that's that's the most 149 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: that we can ask for. Really, Yeah, it's hard. So, 150 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I I have several I I prefaced before 151 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: we started recording. I mentioned that I have several questions 152 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: that might seem uh silly or dumb, but a lot 153 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: of us just don't know the answer to them. Uh 154 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: and and maybe I'll just pepper them in throughout, but 155 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: that kind of leads me to one of them. So, like, 156 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: at least here in l A, we've been social distancing, 157 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: self quarantining for I think two weeks now pretty much. Um. 158 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: And that doesn't just say that people aren't going out 159 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: to stop go to the grocery store, but minimizing, Uh, 160 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: there are social interactions as much as they can. And 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, at first we were told you can go 162 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: outside and make use of the hiking trails or you know, 163 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: be outdoors, and and then that proved to be problematic 164 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: over the weekend when everybody was out. But there's this 165 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: question of say, if two friends met up in a 166 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: neighborhood and walked six ft apart, is a social distance 167 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: walk a very irresponsible thing to do or not. There's 168 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people. So that's a you know, that's 169 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: a silly question that I feel. I feel silly asking it, 170 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: But you know, that's a really good question because it's 171 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: a really hard one to answer. Like I mean, I 172 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: the more people stay in the better. Yeah, that's it's 173 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: right now. I would say the same thing I tell 174 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: my patients about alcohol, which is as a doctor. At 175 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: this point, if you look at all these studies the 176 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: meta analyzes, there is no safe amount of alcohol, right, Like, 177 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's any amount you take, it's probably not great. 178 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: But that being said, if you were to do it 179 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: in moderation, if you were to be safe about it, 180 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: if you're to be reasonable about it, I think it's 181 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: totally okay. So the problem is, like the hikes, they're 182 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: like small trails. It's hard to like pass people at 183 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: six feet distance, and people really will fall into a 184 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: false sense of security. So, you know, going for a 185 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: walk around the neighborhood. I don't think anyone will begrudge 186 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: you that, you know. Yeah, yeah, It's just like so 187 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: many of people are very real fallout from this is 188 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: the emotional turmoil that we're and stressed and anxiety that 189 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: a lot of us are feeling cooped up and without 190 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: any interaction. And I'm grateful for Skype, I'm grateful for 191 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: Zoom in all these different apps, but it's very different, 192 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: uh than actually breathing, like being outside or interacting people 193 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: in the real world. Um, you know, and and I 194 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: think that that's very true. A trail is one thing. Uh, 195 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: but if you can if you have an empty neighborhood 196 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: and you're walking on either side of the street, maybe 197 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: that's a good way to do it. Um. And the 198 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: another question that I've seen circulating. Okay, so we still 199 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: have take out open and and restaurants and Cody, I 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: know this is one that you've struggled with. We've talked 201 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: about it several times. Is that a responsible thing for 202 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: us to continue to do during this period? I want 203 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: to support the businesses that are struggling right now. I 204 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: also want to do my part to flatten the curve. Yeah. Um, 205 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: that's another good question, and it's one I sort of 206 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: grapple with two because I am so tired of eating 207 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: my own cooking. I would I really mean, living in 208 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: San Francisco, one of the reasons I'm here, it's because 209 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: I love to eat. Somehow, even with the anxiety of 210 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: this whole thing, I have not lost weight, so like 211 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: I know I'm packing it on. Nobody has. It's like 212 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: I I do not crave real food. I'm craving donuts 213 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: and ice cream and and there is no reason with 214 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: my craving the The thing I am craving the most 215 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: is like the kind of meals I would eat in 216 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: the Middle East where everybody sits around a table with 217 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: their hands and like dip stuff and like just you're 218 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: craving germs. I'm I'm craving that communal feeling. But yes, 219 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm thirsty for germs as as a Middle 220 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: Eastern person. As a Middle Eastern person, I can tell 221 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: you I miss Middle Eastern food a ton well. But 222 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: I'm never into that communal eating thing. That's never put 223 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: my bag. Um, But I'm with you on the Middle 224 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: Eastern food. So, um, but I gave your your question. Um, 225 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: I do think it's okay to do it into some degree. Again, 226 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: it's probably some risk, but you can really mitigate that risk. Um. 227 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: What I would recommend if you're gonna get take out 228 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: where you have it delivered, you have them deliver it, 229 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: leave it at the door. Most places will do that 230 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: now and then I would transfer the food to something clean. 231 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: And this is sort of sterile method stuff that I 232 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: think everyone has the time to learn. Now you have time, 233 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: you should sort of learn about it. You should have 234 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: a dirty space and a clean space, and you sort 235 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: of keep that food. Put the food into a clean container, 236 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: throw away everything that came with it, and try not 237 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: to track any of that inside if you can. If 238 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: you do remember clean space, dirty place. Then when you're done, 239 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: you're thrown away everything that came with it, all the boxes, 240 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: all the bags, clean the area that you rested that 241 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: on the counter, and then maybe if you want to 242 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: be extra careful, pop the food into the microwave for 243 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. And then to some degree. By the way, 244 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm a little o c D. But 245 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: this is great, a good time to time to shine. 246 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: And this is exactly what I did, what I got 247 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: to that recently, and I thought I was being overly 248 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: cautious and very paranoid. Thank you world, where maybe you are, 249 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: but then you're but it's not because you're you're just 250 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: making sure that you're not on the off chance bringing 251 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: something into your home. Well, you know, there was there 252 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: was a graffiti I saw all in a bathroom in 253 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: Berkeley wants a long time ago. And it's just because 254 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. 255 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: And that's sort of been my life. This is a 256 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: good time to be a little extra cautious. And I 257 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: want to encourage people if they need to do that, 258 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: if they if they are feeling tired and needed a 259 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: different kind of meal. And also I want to encourage 260 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: people to support the businesses that they that they love 261 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: and they don't want to see them gone when all 262 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: of this happens. So I think it's important to have 263 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: if you're going to do it, here's how to do 264 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: it right. Ye. Speaking of how to do it right, 265 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about mutual aid and the 266 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: importance of learning support to your community. There's a lot 267 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: of people who are are very rightfully doing things like 268 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: trying to provide food for for for houseless folks, UM, 269 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: trying to provide aid to like maybe sick people in 270 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: their neighborhoods who can't go and do errands. UM. That's 271 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: all really valuable. UM. We've also talked a bit about 272 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: how you have to be very careful about sanitization and 273 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: and not spreading anything when you're doing these kind of 274 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: crucial tasks. I wonder if you can give people who 275 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: might be engaging in that sort of stuff some advice 276 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: on how they can be as safe as possible while 277 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: still you know, helping their neighbors get their their ship 278 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: from the pharmacy or whatever, or or you know, trying 279 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: to make sure that food is handed out to Like 280 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: obviously you're not putting food directly into the hands of 281 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: homeless people. You're putting it in like a bag and 282 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: you're setting it. Yeah, but but there's I'm a general 283 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: bit on like, here's how to be as safe as 284 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: possible when doing that would be really helpful, I think, yeah, 285 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: And it's a good idea to go over too, because 286 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: if for no other reason, I think this whole experience 287 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: is for doctors, And I think for everyone is you 288 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: just feel helpless and anything we can do to sort 289 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: of empower ourselves, I think is a good thing. And 290 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: are staying in our taking care of each other when 291 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: we can, I think that really is empowering. So the 292 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: same sort of thing applies. Um, if you're gonna deliver food, 293 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: uh say, or groceries to somebody who needs it, you 294 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: do the same sort of concept. Try to minimize what 295 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: you touch, use gloves. If you can leave it on 296 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: their doorstep, you don't need to hand it to them. 297 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: They can take it into their house and they can 298 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: take care of it the same way we talked about, 299 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: which is to have a dirty space and a clean space, 300 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: and you you don't let the two touch you never, 301 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: you never let those two overlap. There's there's sort of 302 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: two different schools of thought here. You know, when we 303 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: look at internationally what people have done. For some reason 304 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: in Singapore, they were able to get by without the 305 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: same sort of level of you know, sterility that they 306 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: really need in Sardinia. So in Sardinia, like what they're 307 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: doing is much more aggressive. They have sort of an 308 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: outdoor space where they decontaminate themselves. If they go inside. 309 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: And this is I think the general thing that everyone 310 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: should do. So when you come home, try not to 311 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: touch anything if you can, you know, leave your bag, 312 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: your purse, your wallet, whatever you broaden. If you leave 313 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: it at the entry of your home, if you can. 314 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: If you can't leave it in your at the entry 315 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: of the home, try and bring it inside to a 316 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: small area that stays dirty, and you can leave that 317 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: place for a little bit. Do the first thing to do. 318 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Wash your phone, Wash your glasses. Robert, uh and Katie, 319 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, things are collecting. We are thinking more that 320 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: this stuff is getting in through the eyes more. Sorry, 321 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: Cody has glasses too. On board with a lot of this. 322 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: But you're telling me that I can't rub my eyes 323 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: on airplane chairs anymore. I I can't. I can't like 324 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: get up to the counter and Starbucks and just really 325 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: get my eye up and that on that counter like 326 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: that's no. No. I get why you want to trust me. 327 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: I totally understand the urge to do that eyeballs on people, 328 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: just strangers. I want to do that, but it's not 329 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: a good idea, not a not a good idea. So 330 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: and then, oh, by the way, take your shoes off. 331 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a Persian thing. So we've always 332 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: been doing that. But I don't know if you got 333 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: as are take your shoes off when you get home. Robert, 334 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: I know you'd like to run without shoes and you 335 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: like to do this barefoot running. I don't. I suppose 336 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: if you're out in the woods or whatever, that's okay, 337 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: but if you're like walking on street corners, it may 338 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: not be a great idea to track and stuff, is 339 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Yeah, I have my I have 340 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: my shoes that I wear into the shower and then yeah, 341 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: they're like they're like water shoes. I'm being careful. I 342 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: keep them outside and then I shower them. So so 343 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: if someone is bringing in stuff, say like bags, you know, 344 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: clean those bags whatever you have to keep. So, say, 345 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: if it's food that comes in packaging, that's packaging that 346 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: isn't porous and allowed in laying through to the food, 347 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: then you can clean that withever household cleaning games. You 348 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: need to clean that off if it comes covered, if 349 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: it's fruit, if it's vegetables, try and wash them and 350 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: soapy water. Keep them clean that way, um, and try 351 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: not to bring in as much as you can. I mean, 352 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: none of this is completely eliminate risk, but it will 353 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: help sort of mitigated. Yeah, I mean, our our goal 354 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: isn't like I mean, completely eliminating risk is never possible. 355 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: Our goal is to like minimize the number of people 356 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: who get sick at once. You know that, Like and yeah, 357 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: it seems like that's yeah achievable at this point, Like 358 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 1: we understand we're not confronting this the way they were 359 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen, where people also didn't have a great 360 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: understanding of how disease worked, compared to now, like we 361 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: we should be able to. I mean the fact that 362 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Germany and in in Singapore um have gotten the kind 363 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: of handle and that they have shows that, like this 364 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: is manageable without the complete destruction of society, right, yeah, 365 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: you know what. The destruction of society will see the 366 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: end of Oh what what is that? Cody? The wonderful 367 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: products and services that were about to offer our listeners, 368 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: And that is why we must keep society protected at 369 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: all costs. For the products and the services, no other reason, no, 370 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: just the products and services. Thank you, Thank you, Cody 371 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: for really knowing what's important in these trying times. You know, 372 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: what you're welcome. I want everyone, as you listen to 373 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: these products and services to think how many grandma's would 374 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: you sacrifice for these? Oh my god, you blend back 375 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: right now products together? All right, we are back from 376 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: those products and services, which, as I stated before, are 377 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: definitely worth the lives of upwards of two percent of 378 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: the country, which is probably when we should have a 379 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: little talk about right now. The fact that really quickly 380 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: and I am I am impressed with, if nothing their 381 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: messaging discipline. A lot of the American has gotten on 382 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: board with it, just like yeah, suet, two percent of 383 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: the country's gotta go. We gotta save the doo um. 384 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: How do you feel about the country. This might surprise you, 385 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: but I am against it, and I it is the craziest. Well, 386 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: we don't want to get political here. I get I 387 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: get a lot of crap for being political because people 388 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: would be like, you're a medical show, why are you 389 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: being political? But I don't mean to be. In fact, 390 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: I was really a political like three or four years ago. 391 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: But it's impossible to separate anything, particularly medicine. And yeah, 392 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: they're really forcing your hand here, I think, Yeah, I 393 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: mean it's not it's not something I want to do. 394 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily in my wheelhouse, but it's impossible to separate. Now. 395 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: It's like this thing with like this now Republican talking 396 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: point which I just can't believe they're saying out loud 397 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: about letting like old people die. There's so many aspects 398 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: of it I don't like. But the one thing that 399 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm stuck on that I can't get past is how 400 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: people just assume that if an old say an old 401 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: gentleman or old grandma gets it, they feel like they're 402 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: just gonna quietly slip off into the ocean and drift 403 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: away and that'll be it. That's That's not how it's 404 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna be. They're gonna get sick, they're gonna give it 405 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: to other people in their care homes. They're gonna give 406 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: it to their caretakers. They're gonna go to a hospital, 407 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna take up a bed, take up tons of resources, exposed, doctors, 408 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: expose other people, and this thing is going to perpetuate 409 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: because of it. It doesn't make it that people just 410 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: don't understand how it's gonna work. These people are going 411 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: to get it and just be like, oh, I got it. 412 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: It was my time my numbers up, I'm out here, 413 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: see you guys. That's that's not how it's gonna be. Yeah, 414 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. And they know it doesn't make sense. 415 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: It's just at the end of the day, they don't 416 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: care what's more important. There's just that like survival of 417 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: the fittest. This is nature, except that we live in 418 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: a time where we don't have to look at it 419 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: that way. And uh, and also fuck the economy, I 420 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: mean not the economy, but we're going to bounce back. 421 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: But you know, like why are why is money more 422 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: important than lives? You know, Um, we're all on the 423 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: same page. But like what you were saying about taking 424 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: up beds, Like there's people that are getting I have 425 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: other things that have happened, need an emergency appendectomy, or 426 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: have cancer, and now it's not safe for them to 427 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: go get their cancer treatments. Exactly. I'm just so frustrated 428 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: by any time like the Survival of the Fittish ship 429 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: comes up, because like we only have computers because of 430 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: Steve Wozniak. I could beat the ship out of Steve Wozniak, 431 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: but I couldn't invent a personal computer. I could have 432 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of joke. Oh, I could kick 433 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: Jonah Sult's ass, I could tear that son of a 434 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: bit up, but I couldn't make a fucking polio vaccine. Like, 435 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: we humans got a whole lot better at everything when 436 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: we shifted from survival of the fittest to survival of 437 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: the collaborative. Yeah, and we still it seems to work 438 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: to the first one. Um, because of the phrase. I 439 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: guess it's just like like, it's a good phrase, especially 440 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: if you spend a lot of time at the gym. Um. 441 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: But I do want it to be on the record 442 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: that I could I could beat the ship out of 443 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: Jonah Salk, like just destroy him in fact, big M 444 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. So I mean this is none of 445 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: this should be your concern. Your concern is saving lives. 446 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: But I am curious, for the perspective of a doctor, 447 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: how do we change the messaging from the economy failing 448 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: is going to kill more people than this to like 449 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: you don't like like The people who are saying that, 450 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: I think fundamentally misunderstand how bad this is going to get, 451 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: or they just don't care because they're monsters. I think 452 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: it's about a fifty fifty split um to the people 453 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: who think that, like you know, an economic downturn is 454 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: worse than this could be. I guess can you try 455 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: to help highlight how bad this is going to be. 456 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be tremendously bad. To use Trump's I'm 457 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: told that he listens to the show, so I'll speak 458 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. It's gonna be so bad, this is um. 459 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: Doctors don't get scared that much. I mean, doctors are scared. 460 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: We've seen the numbers. You know Mark Lipsitch, that epidemiologist 461 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: from Harvard. I mean he's been saying this for like 462 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: a month, over a month, and everything he says come true. 463 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Where his calculations of the world's population that's going to 464 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: get this that's tremendous numbers. I mean, even if the 465 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: death rate is low, even if it's lower than it 466 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: currently is now, when it turns out to be lower, 467 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: which you probably will, you know, that's millions. It's it's insane. 468 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna know somebody. You may not die from it, 469 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: but you may know somebody that they'll die from it. 470 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: And it's not just the old people, it's young people. 471 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: You only talk about. People will have mild symptoms. Do 472 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: you know how they you know they attribute mild is 473 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: basically if you don't need oxygen, so as sick up 474 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: to the point of needing oxygen is considered mild. So 475 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: you can have pneumonia, you can be sick as a 476 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: dog and you and you can have permanent lung damage 477 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: from this. And we're seeing young people in New York. 478 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: The people are eighteen to nine years old. That's that's crazy. 479 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: It also strikes me that there will be because this 480 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: is so politicized, a considered attempt to downplay where the 481 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: deaths come from. Because once the systems are fully like 482 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: they're starting to get overwhelmed in like places like New York. 483 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: But once they are fully once this hits, the number 484 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: of people who die from minor car accidents, who die 485 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: because they fall and hit their head, who have like 486 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: a heart attack, um like, that is going to skyrocket 487 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: because number one, there will be less resource and and 488 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: those deaths won't get attributed to this, but they will 489 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: absolutely be COVID nineteen deaths A yeah, right, and all 490 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: the cases that we're putting aside for right now that 491 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: we have to postpone and that's going to catch up 492 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: to us. There's surgical cases, there's cancers that might be missed. 493 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: My friends both of our parents have cancer. Both of 494 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: our parents have cancer and they can't have their treatments 495 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: that they need right now. Yeah, and it's it's yeah, 496 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: and there's also yeah. I mean, it's just such a 497 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: fucking I'm really worried also about the risk of like 498 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: people who die who have actually have COVID nineteen but 499 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: die from like a secondary uh sort of infection or 500 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: something of that getting like IM My concern in general 501 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: is that action. I already feel like actions have been 502 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: taken to reduce the number of deaths reported by the CDC, 503 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: which is why the Johns Hopkins monitoring is is consistently 504 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: showing more infections and more deaths than the c d 505 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: C s is. UM. I'm very concerned that there will be, 506 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: uh to the greatest extent possible, an attempt to cover 507 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: up the death toll of this by the amperament. And I, 508 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: I guess I'm curious as to how you feel about that. 509 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, I can't, I don't know. I'd like to. 510 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm not skeptical enough yet to think that they would 511 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: do that, but I I certainly don't see the logic 512 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: behind trying to open things up before the medical profession 513 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: and scientists say it's safe, particularly because we have evidence 514 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: that it works so far here in San Francisco, it 515 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: looks like it's working. We'll know in a couple of weeks. 516 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: In one of two weeks, that's when we think that 517 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: real big wave is going to hit. And if we 518 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: can show that we have flattened the curve by these 519 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: aggressive social isolation measures, by the things that we're doing. 520 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: But I think that our governor has done, then I 521 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: think that should be a template for everyone. Um. And 522 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: I hope. I'm hopeful that it is. I it's still 523 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: gonna get bad, and I think the next two weeks 524 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: are going to be pretty horrific, um, But I I 525 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: am still hopeful that we started this early enough that 526 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: where we can show it makes a big difference. And 527 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, there's so many the variables are going 528 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: into how people are going to respond from this, and 529 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: how how what other ripples there's gonna be throughout medicine 530 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: and the medical world because of this, and how many 531 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: people are missing their surgeries, getting things postponed, delayed, other 532 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: things that would never be able to fully get into account. 533 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: And I'm curious, Kenna, how do you personally rate the 534 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: governor of California, Gavin Newsome's response to the epidemic um, 535 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: both in just its objective terms and kind of how 536 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: it compares to what's being done elsewhere in the country. 537 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: I was really happy when he shut things down. I 538 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: think that was the right step. Um. I like that 539 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: he seems to be reasonable about waiting to see when 540 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: when we can open things up again. He's not making 541 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: promises on that. And the other thing he said that 542 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: was I thought also pretty smart, was he said, you know, 543 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: this may not work for everybody. If you live in 544 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in Montana where you're already sort of 545 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: socially isolated, and there you may not need the exact 546 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: measures we've done here. Maybe different states do different things. 547 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: I will say this though, it I think to some 548 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: degree he has to play it smart, and he knows 549 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: he has to sort of he can't ruffle Trump's peacock 550 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: feathers too much. He has to sort of placate him 551 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: a little bit, Um, and that is really frustrating to me. 552 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: My fear is that, Um, even if we do everything right, here. 553 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: You know, if we don't have the same thing happening 554 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: or something similar to it happening in other states, those 555 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: other states will keep coming here. We'll have send people 556 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: out there, they'll come back. And if we can't get 557 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: this thing, you know, working in through the rest of 558 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: the country, it won't work anywhere, right And that yeah, yeah, 559 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: And one of the things that strikes me there's been 560 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: that um that note going around where it was and 561 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: I forget who which or international organization it was, but 562 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: they estimated, you know, the worst case scenario if no 563 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: actions were taken to stop the spread of the virus 564 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: in the US was somewhere between two and three million 565 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: dead um if like nothing was done. And that was 566 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: one of those things when it first came out, people 567 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, two million people are going 568 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: to die, and and a lot of us came out 569 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: were like, well, that's just if no action is taken. 570 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: Of course, like no action, like people like actions will 571 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: be taken. This is like literally the worst case scenario. 572 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: But now that we're having the president talking about opening 573 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: the country back up for easter and getting people like 574 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: it's yeah that there is a worst case scenario than 575 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: not doing anything, and it is it is that I 576 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: don't and where did the Easter come from? Like? Why 577 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: is that? Like? Why was Easter pick this random day? 578 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: Like there's no like there's no funt or logic or 579 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: science or anything. I'm not even like a heavy science nerd. Yeah, 580 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, give me some reason. It's reality. Religious man. 581 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: He has to observe easter and people want to believe 582 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: was right. It would be nice. He's around that time 583 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: for everybody to get back. Yeah, it's a beautiful date 584 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: or something you said. I I don't know. Yeah, it's 585 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: all it's all symbolic for him. It's so stupid. One 586 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: of the things. I'm like, we're in this uh, we're 587 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: in this situation where and this is very really frustrated 588 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: to me, where the need for direct action by activists 589 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: I think has never been hired higher, including potentially the 590 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: need for something I'm not even just potentially, Like I 591 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: think there's absolutely the need for a general strike. Um 592 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: if but particularly if the government completely fails to take 593 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: any action to keep people in their homes to meaningfully 594 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: deal with the economic costs like the there is a 595 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: need for activism right now. Ship's fucked up in a 596 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: way it's never been before, and it's been real fucked 597 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: up forever. Um. I I guess I'm curious as that 598 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: becomes more necessary, Um, are there ways for people to 599 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: take action? It may take them out of their homes 600 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: without or at least while minimizing the risk of the 601 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: spread of this, Like it is that even a possible 602 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: thing if it becomes necessary to occupy spaces or whatever, Like, 603 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: what steps could people potentially take to minimize the risk? Oh? Wow, 604 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: it's a good question. I mean, we're all, like, we're 605 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: all sort of trying to innovate things now right where 606 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: jobs are gonna have to be innovated. People are learning 607 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: that they can work from home. Things we're learning we 608 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: can do online. I assume it will be the same 609 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: sort of situation for this. If people have things to do, 610 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll find ways to to do that online. 611 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm not much of a political activist. 612 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I believe in a lot of these same causes, 613 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: but I have to tell you, in this day and age, 614 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: I think, Um, I agree. I do think it's important 615 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: that people are able to speak their minds about what's happening, 616 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of things that could be taken 617 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: out of our power. In situations of crisis like this, 618 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: the best thing to do is to avoid any real 619 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: big crisis, which we can do, which we can absolutely 620 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: do if we make the right steps now and we 621 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: do the right things now. Um. That's what worries me 622 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: the most. And I think that if my recommendation first 623 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: and would to be to listen to doctors, that would 624 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: be the most That would be the first thing I 625 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: would say is, don't listen to Trump necessarily. Let's see 626 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: what your local governors say. Listen to what the medical 627 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: professionals say, Listen to what Anthony Fauci says. I think 628 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: Anthony Faucci is a sharp guy. Uh, hear what they say, 629 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: and then make decisions on what we do after that. 630 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Alright, we're gonna take one more quick break 631 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna come back. And I definitely have 632 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: a couple more questions. I'm on that so we can 633 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: all look forward to that together and we are back 634 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: of its thanks. Um, all right, I have a couple more, 635 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: uh not silly questions that I'm sure a lot of 636 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: people share my confusion with. Talk to me about Bandana's 637 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: is that doing anything? No, probably not, I mean so 638 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: I am uh. Actually I just got an email, um 639 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: from someone a listener for their our show, asking about 640 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,959 Speaker 1: using homemade bras and retrofitting them to become masks because 641 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: that's something they read online. So there are people being 642 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: very creative and there are some actually some really creative 643 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: things that are happening now, like, um, you know the 644 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: fact the manufacturers of those hockey shields hockey masks are 645 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: trying to find ways to use those. You know, the 646 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: hospital that I work for is doing a great job 647 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: trying to like work with Bay Area tech companies to 648 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: to retrofit things and change things, working with three AM 649 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: all that, and it's great, um, but the bandana probably 650 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: isn't of that much use. I mean, if you're out 651 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: and about, and it's better than nothing, I think. But 652 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where you're a medical professional, um, 653 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: and you're trying to protect yourself from droplets or air 654 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: sualized problems, I don't think a bandan is going to 655 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: do much good for you. And then where did you 656 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: land on the repurposed broth? I said, I would like 657 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: to see it because I think it'd be fun but 658 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't recommend I don't think it's a great idea. 659 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: So for those of us who are like walking our dogs, 660 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: do you recommend us to wear like some sort of 661 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: bandan or a walk around like with our shirts covered 662 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: over and like, do you think that's like worth it 663 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: for something like that? Probably not. I mean I think 664 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: I think you're staying six feet away from people, you're 665 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: probably okay. I mean, if if you're it's funny. It's 666 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: like San Francisco, you're right, there's still people walk into 667 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of people talking, and you'll be walking on 668 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: the streets and it's like everyone's playing this little game 669 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: of Frogger or something in their mind where they're trying 670 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: to calculate I'm going to turn this block if that 671 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: person turns here, and I'm going to slow down my 672 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: rate so that person crossed ahead of me. I think 673 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: if people keep doing that and we limit those interactions 674 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: going out, is you know, limited a little bit, then 675 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: I think you should be okay, that's probably the best thing. 676 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: And then one other thing that I was wondering before 677 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: you can come back the hard hitting questions, Let's say 678 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: produce how how we we wash produce can you use 679 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: if you don't have produce wash per say? Oh yeah, 680 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: I have. I have that question to Cody. Yeah right, 681 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: well first produce, you know, just regular soap, that's cool. Yeah, 682 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: I have. I have dumb questions like that too. Can 683 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: we can we just do like a well not done 684 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: but dumb? Can we just do like a quick a 685 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: quick speed route. So let's yes, and if I if 686 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: there's no great answer, I'll let you know. Okay, let's 687 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: start with Katie's produce. Oh, you know, wash it and 688 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: I recommend washing it in soapy water, and I think 689 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: that's probably good enough. I would try and cook it. 690 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about at this point. If 691 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: you can't cook it, great if you have what's that 692 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: I said, I'm not cooking my grapes. You should peel 693 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: each one though, that's what you should do. Um okay, okay, 694 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: um uh. I think if you're washing it, well, it's 695 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: it's minimal risk. I think you should be okay, anything 696 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: that you can keep in mind, we don't think this 697 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: thing lives on surfaces for more than say, um, seventy 698 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: two hours for most surfaces. Um, So if you have 699 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: something that's no imperishable that you can leave out in 700 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: some place that you have designated for that for seven 701 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: two hours, you're in good shape. You should be Okay, 702 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: still wash it, do all that stuff. Um, something to 703 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: keep in mind. Cooking is probably good, but we don't 704 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: know for sure with this particular coronavirus, but other coronaviruses, 705 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: we have seen that freezing things doesn't sterilize now, so 706 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: don't don't don't assume that putting something in the freezer 707 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: is going to sterilize it. Super helpful. Cod you want 708 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: to ask about dogs, dogs wash dogs, should should frequently dogs. 709 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: So I read an article. I read an article that 710 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: said that these three things that I was like, Okay, 711 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: like I know that I go over the top and 712 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: I'm port paranoid, so like maybe I do this. But 713 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: number one, it said to use waterless shampoo on them 714 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: every day, to give them a bath once a week. 715 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: And three, if you get it and are quarantining at home, 716 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: your dog has to p and poo inside and you 717 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't take them out if you live in an apartment. Thoughts, 718 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: that's probably that's that's the best of our knowledge. Uh 719 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: A good advice. It doesn't seem like they get it. 720 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like they get it like we do. 721 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: Because this coronavirus is in animals and and human and 722 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: and humans. You know, like um, mirrors and stars those 723 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: family they can't exist in animals. But doesn't look like that, UM. 724 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: But you know your dogs walking out on the street 725 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: the same way I would say to take off your shoes. 726 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: You should try and clean their paws when they come in. 727 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: Outside of that, it's hard to know. I certainly wouldn't 728 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: let people pet your dog at this point. No one 729 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: should be even coming close enough some stranger to pet 730 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: your dog. I think washing them once a week. And 731 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: I don't have a dog, I'll be honest. I'm a 732 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: cat guy, so I don't know how difficult that is. 733 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of work, but I would 734 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a week. Yeah, I mean, what else 735 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Bond? This is this is not 736 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all about water conservation in California, but 737 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: now is not the time for me to worry about that. 738 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: We've also had some heavy storms coincided with this dismal plague. 739 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: Was ten days of NonStop rain for southern California. Everyone's 740 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 1: losing their damn minds. Yeah, exactly. I've got one more 741 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: question that maybe you could speak to Sophia. You brought 742 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: this up on our call yesterday. Uh, can you speak 743 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: to the reports of how it the death rates are 744 00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: higher amongst men male patients? Is that true? It seems 745 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: that way in China, in particularly, that's where those numbers 746 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: came from. We'll see if it's still pans out this 747 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: way here, but in China it seemed that way, and 748 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: the thought was that it's probably because men smoke, they're 749 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: much more. That's what I was wondering. So would you 750 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: recommend people that smoke or smoke marijuana and stuff like 751 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: that to be curbing that habit now during this time? 752 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: It's hard because a lot of us, pointing to myself, uh, 753 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: enjoy marijuana as a way to distress. But yeah, sure, 754 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: I know that like my Charleston's are are the doctor 755 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: recommended brand of cigarette? But should I be switching? Yeah? 756 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: Chistors agree? No, I I certainly you're never gonna get 757 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: me to say smoking is a good idea doctor didn't 758 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: want to support smoking wild I'm not a big fan 759 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: of smoking. UM. I have nothing particular against marijuana. UM, 760 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: particularly for some patients, it's you full. Some patients, it's 761 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: it causes problems. It's not a completely benign thing, but 762 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: for most people it's a pretty I'm cool with it. Uh. 763 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: In this situation, I would try and avoid anything that 764 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: you're inhaling into your lungs that could be causing irritation. 765 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: I think that's a safe thing to do. We don't 766 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: know yet it's really the answer, but I mean, just 767 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: being logical about it, I would say, try to avoid 768 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: that no vaping. UM. I got other issues with vaping 769 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: and the vaping industry that we sort of went too 770 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: a lot of details on one of our episodes. So 771 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't love vaping for a lot of different reasons. 772 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: But um, in general, UM, I would try and avoid 773 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: anything that could be an irritant to your lungs. That 774 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: makes sense, I mean in moderation where I mean things 775 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: in moderation. You know, I'll tell you this. I certainly 776 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: haven't seen any evidence as of yet that says like 777 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: marijuana smokers are at how much higher risk? But I 778 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: don't know if they even looked at that. I don't 779 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: know how commons and the patients they saw in China, 780 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: So it kind of seems like something. Yeah, sounds like 781 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: a green that. It seems like something that we will 782 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: learn up in a few months. Yeah, exactly. I mean, 783 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: if you can go without it, that's great. If you 784 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: can minimize it, that's okay, fine, sorry, sorry, So when 785 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 1: you do get things in the mail or you get 786 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 1: take out and things like that that are you know, 787 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: plastic and or if you get you know, you order 788 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: a shirt or something online, what do you advise us 789 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: to use to sanitize those items? You know, if you 790 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: get something in the mail or you get take out, 791 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: like what do you to wipe the packaging of that stuff? 792 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 1: What do you suggest us to use because I know 793 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: that for a lot of people, they don't have they 794 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: don't have chlorox wipes, they don't have lisol because they're 795 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: just non existent right now. Yeah, it's a good question. 796 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: So if you if you have leech to cover your 797 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: surfaces with, if you have lisol, that sort of stuff, 798 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: it's great actually, as I'm sure if this is going 799 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: to stay it or not. But if you take a 800 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 1: look at the CDC guidelines, um, they have a COVID page. 801 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 1: It's actually pretty useful and aside from many criticisms about 802 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: how they rolled out the test. They actually do a 803 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: pretty good job of sort of giving you options, including 804 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: some that you can make on your own UM and 805 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: that is important to follow sort of the guidelines on 806 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: that because people I don't want people going out there 807 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: and putting together chemicals on their own, getting other weird 808 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,959 Speaker 1: lung injuries and then going to the hospital and taking 809 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,320 Speaker 1: up a bed that could be used for a COVID patient. Totally. 810 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to speak 811 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: with us. I'm I'm sure you're very busy right now 812 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: and a million things you can be doing, but this 813 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: has been hugely informative and I'm excited to share some 814 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: of what we've learned today with with my friends, hopefully 815 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: calm them day a little bit. Yeah. Again, I think 816 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 1: the main thing is that I know it's easy to 817 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: feel helpless in a time like this. It's really scary. 818 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: It's scary for doctors to like I said in the beginning, 819 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: but there are things that we can do to sort 820 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: of empower ourselves, and you know, in a weird way. 821 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: Social isolation is is a huge one, uh, and being 822 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: sort of aggressive about how you maintain UM hygiene. I 823 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: think these are things that we can do to empower 824 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: ourselves right now. We should Every little bit of thing 825 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: we can do, we should. Yeah, thank you. I I 826 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, and I agree with it that 827 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: like the most empowering and effective thing we can do 828 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: now is to hunker the hell down. It's with everything. 829 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: It's so frustrating that that's the answer, because there's so 830 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: much like if you look at like the the aid 831 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: bill that's being pushed right now, and it's it's like 832 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: this is the there there's so much that needs to 833 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: be done that involves human beings getting out into the world, 834 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: and we just like we can't right now. And it's, um, 835 00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: it's it's deeply upsetting. Um. Like the I of the 836 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: few things I don't know, Like right now, in Oregon, 837 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: we're dealing with this situation where the governor has ordered 838 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: homeless people as well to shelter in place, um, which 839 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how they're supposed to do that or 840 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: how they're supposed to like themselves and stuff. Um, it's this, Yeah, 841 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 1: that particularly that one particular thing really drives me crazy. 842 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: Here in San Francisco, there's I live in a neighborhood 843 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: where like across the street from me is like, you know, uh, 844 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: four million dollar homes and the people they are in 845 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: them living them maybe like three weeks a year. Like 846 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,720 Speaker 1: they come in from like Chicago, wherever they or wherever 847 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: place they come from, and they they It drives me crazy. 848 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: The amount of empty spaces here. I don't know what 849 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: to do about that. I mean, I don't know. In 850 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: New York, it's it's it's so much worse. I don't know. 851 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: Can Trump offer up some rooms in this hotel for 852 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: people to stay for medical professionals who don't want to 853 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 1: go home and bring their germs home with them. Can 854 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: they do something like that? Those are that's a lot 855 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: of good questions. Um, I would love to see something 856 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: like that happened. I'd love to see all this unused 857 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,399 Speaker 1: space be used either for homeless or the medical profession Yeah. 858 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,320 Speaker 1: And you know that. One of the few examples of 859 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 1: what I would say is like responsible on the ground 860 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: activism I can point to right now is some of 861 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: those groups in Los Angeles who have been opening up 862 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: state owned homes so that they can get homeless people 863 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: off the streets because there's nowhere that makes it easier 864 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: to spread disease than like being out on the damn street. Um. 865 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,760 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna get you ask you to advocate 866 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: for for breaking the law. Um. But it does seem 867 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: like one of the things that's really frustrating about this 868 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: aid package they've passed, which is about two trillion dollars, UM, 869 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,720 Speaker 1: is I think the estimated cost is about twenty billion 870 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: dollars to home all of the homeless people in the 871 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: United States. And I don't think any I've seen no 872 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: evidence of action being taken on that front. And like 873 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: I and I didn't even think of what he brought 874 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 1: up is that like we have all these open hotels 875 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: right now that are empty, and we have medical professionals 876 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: who don't want to have to go home and expose 877 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,919 Speaker 1: their family to what they get on them. Like there's 878 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: so many Yeah, it should it's sucked up. I don't know. 879 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't have anything productive to add to that at 880 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: this point, Um, some something should be done, and it's 881 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: difficult to see how we can take action right now 882 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: to to do that at this moment where we have 883 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 1: to be hunkered down. Um. But at the very least 884 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: people should be making lists in their heads of the 885 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: things that need to be fixed for the next time 886 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: we go through a wave like this, so that we're 887 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 1: not dealing with these questions, So that doctors have a 888 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: safe place they can go to not infect their families, 889 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: so that homeless people aren't out on the streets starving 890 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: to death or spreading illness. You know. Yeah, and that 891 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: and it will happen again. It might even happen again 892 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: with coronavirus. It might become like an endemic problem where 893 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: there's like there's like flu, cold and corona season. So 894 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: it's some think we have to consider for the future. Yeah. Ye, 895 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: who do you want to plug? Plug some plug ables? First, 896 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: you want to plug your podcast? If you have Twitter, 897 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: I want a plug things so hard. Um. I we 898 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: have a Twitter account and it's at the at the 899 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: House of Pod. Um, please follow us there. That goes 900 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: for you to Cody m hmm, yeah, you got, you got. 901 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: We have We have a podcast I can mention called 902 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: the House of Pod. I think if you, um, if 903 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: you're a fan of this show and you're a fan 904 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: behind the Bastards, I think you'll probably like it. Um. 905 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 1: We cover a lot of bastards of medicine, like Robert does. 906 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: Were a lot of bastards of medicine unfortunately. Um and 907 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,320 Speaker 1: you can find us pretty much everywhere you find podcasts iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, 908 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: wherever the cool kids are getting it and uh. You 909 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: can follow us on Twitter and Instagram at Where's Your Pod. 910 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: You can follow Katie's stul on Katie Stool. You can 911 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: follow Cody at doctor Mr Cody on Instagram and Twitter. 912 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: You can follow Robert only on Twitter at I Right. Okay, 913 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: Uh did I do it? You did? Katie got kicked 914 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 1: off three times because her Internet sucks, and she wanted 915 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: to say thank you so much for joining. It's weird. 916 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: It's almost like the Internet has never been this loaded 917 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: down with human beings at any point in the history 918 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: and the internet weird. Guys. Thank you so much for 919 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: having me on the show. I really do love the 920 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: show and it's really nice to be on. Thank you 921 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: for talking about us, and thank you for all the 922 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 1: important work you're doing. Yeah, well, I'm meaning a doctor. Yeah. 923 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: I think that's for my brother every time I talked 924 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: to him. Any thinks I'm being snarky, but I actually 925 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: do mean it does It does have a little snarky, 926 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,800 Speaker 1: but I know your heart's in the right place, the 927 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: right place. Wish wish him luck for me. Thanks guys, Cody, 928 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 1: I'd love to get you on the show sometime too. Oh, absolutely, 929 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to Robert. You're gonna have to come back 930 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: at some point. Absolutely. I mean I can't get to 931 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco, but we can do this. Yeah, doing this 932 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: for a long time. I know we're gonna have to 933 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: figure out. We're not as tech savvy, but we're working 934 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,959 Speaker 1: on it. We're figuring it out. Well, guys, that's gonna 935 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: be the the episode for us. And Kava had to 936 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: leave before we could get him on this, but I 937 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: will ask him later. If you should be drinking and 938 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 1: pouring bleach up your butts to prevent the coronavirus, don't worry, 939 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: we will get that crucial information to you. Um but 940 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,720 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of good things about drinking deadly 941 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: quantities of bleach. A lot of great people are saying 942 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 1: it helps. Um so not a lot of Yeah, nobody, nobody, 943 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 1: Nobody who has drank a fatal quantity of bleach has 944 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: has later uh stated their regret. These people total silence, 945 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: which is a positive thing, I assume. Yeah, it tells 946 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: me that it's fine, tells me that it's fine. Well, 947 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: Cody and Katie, who has been knocked off the Internet. 948 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this week. We'll be 949 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: back next week as the number of infected probably will 950 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: double to more than I'm gonna plummet or plummet Robert, Yeah, 951 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: one of the two. Everything so Dumb, Everything so dump 952 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: I tried Still Worst Year Ever is a production of 953 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,919 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, 954 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 955 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.