WEBVTT - Training Camp-Cast 7/30: Day 6 Recap, Offense Continues Progress, Matthew Judon Update

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<v Speaker 4>All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriots Training

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<v Speaker 4>Camp Cast. I might do so, joined by Evan Lazar

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<v Speaker 4>and Paul Perillo. And we just got off the field,

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<v Speaker 4>guys from another padded practice, our second one in a row,

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit longer session. It felt kind of to me, Paul,

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<v Speaker 4>like we're really just trying to hit that those dog

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<v Speaker 4>days this summer. Get the reps in Drake Mate took

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of reps today and again it felt like

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<v Speaker 4>an okay day for the offense. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>understated it to overstate it, but okay, they're showing some progress.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean even I would say, but yeah, I do

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<v Speaker 3>think there's some progress being made. You're seeing I think

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<v Speaker 3>with the pads on the past, protection has been a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit better, and that's to be expected. You should

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<v Speaker 3>be able to block a little bit better when you're

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<v Speaker 3>actually allowed dare I say to block, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it has been and I think there were some signs

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<v Speaker 3>of production at you know, at times. Did a little

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<v Speaker 3>red zone work today? Mike, You're right, there was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of longer periods. I thought of eleven on eleven

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<v Speaker 3>and there was one point where Drake May doubled up,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I thought they got some good work here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone talked about Drake May a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 4>down day yesterday. Would you see from him today?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he got the ball out a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>faster today than what we saw yesterday. But in general

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<v Speaker 1>we talked a lot about this on Unfiltered. Also, it

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<v Speaker 1>just feels like processing wise, he's maybe still a beat behind.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you watch a quarterback like Jacob Brissett who's

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<v Speaker 1>not only been in the league for a while but

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<v Speaker 1>also played in this offense before in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>you do start to see the difference a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of not necessarily the talent or the physical tools, but

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<v Speaker 1>just when it's run on time and it's run on rhythm,

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<v Speaker 1>what it looks like with Jacob Brissett versus what it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like with a guy like Drake May who's still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to learn the system. So to me, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the things and we could probably dissect a million

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<v Speaker 1>things that that Drake May could or couldn't do better.

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, right now, the number one thing is

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<v Speaker 1>to get him mentally processing the game a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>faster and seeing things a little bit quicker, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you'll start to won't see all those camp reports of

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<v Speaker 1>well Drake May was, you know, five for eleven or

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<v Speaker 1>three for eleven today and eleven on elevens if he

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<v Speaker 1>starts to be a little bit more on time.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, Paul, there's another quarterback too, Joe Milton. I thought

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<v Speaker 4>he was okay today.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I thought he was really good today.

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<v Speaker 4>He's getting some reps. What did you see?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean he took you know, Zapi took some

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<v Speaker 3>reps early in the third uh, the third time around,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it was later in Milton. I thought he'd

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<v Speaker 3>gotten a little bit of a rhythm. I thought, really

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<v Speaker 3>nice slant to Juju Smith Schuster for a touchdown. There

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<v Speaker 3>was some enthusiasm. I mean, he's one of those guys that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's got kind of the infectious enthusiasm. I'm not telling

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<v Speaker 3>you it means anything. Beyond that he threw the ball

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<v Speaker 3>pretty well today, but I thought he was dealing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing I'd say about Milton he was in

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<v Speaker 1>college for six years and he's three twenty four years old,

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<v Speaker 1>And even with him to Drake, you can sort of

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<v Speaker 1>tell the difference between a guy that was really experienced

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<v Speaker 1>and played a ton of college football versus the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that really was only in college football for three true years.

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<v Speaker 1>And even the ball tends to come out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more on time with Milton. So it's not to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Milton's ahead of Drake or like it's better

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, but you see the experience, like

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<v Speaker 1>of the two guys, and I feel like with Milton

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<v Speaker 1>that those ten years that he's s already six years

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<v Speaker 1>that he's spent in college, you kind of see that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit with him a little bit more mature.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so a little bit of housekeeping stuff. Guys, we had,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Jabil Pepper's out of practice. We did see

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<v Speaker 4>him kind of walk on field later. Marty map who

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<v Speaker 4>continues to be an observer as well. Christian Barmore, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>not expecting to see him. Matthew Judon a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of display yesterday from him, he was not out there

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<v Speaker 4>at all today. Devon Godshaw continues to practice though, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just for me, the big point is, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just it's kind of a tough blow over the course

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<v Speaker 4>of the last twenty four hours to feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you got a little bit more drama with Jude On going.

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<v Speaker 4>We were hopeful that Godshaw is going to get done,

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<v Speaker 4>but we don't know when we're ever going to see

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<v Speaker 4>Barmore again out here, and now we have Peppers out.

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<v Speaker 4>Just not a great twenty four hours for the team,

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<v Speaker 4>especially on the defensive side of the ball, with how

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<v Speaker 4>that's all going with their personnelity.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, the Judon thing I think sort of

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<v Speaker 3>is front and center for me. I mean, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a good look yesterday. I thought with the way he

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<v Speaker 3>sort of in front of the media, in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the public was just sort of openly saying I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to practice and what are you going to do

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<v Speaker 3>about it? And then I thought he kind of backed

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<v Speaker 3>tried to back drive Mayo into a corner. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's a coincidence that we didn't see him today.

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<v Speaker 3>I would just add also, David Andrews didn't practice for

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<v Speaker 3>the second straight day, which put Nick Leverett at center.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's unfortunate because that offensive line had started to

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<v Speaker 3>develop a little cohesion with the same tackles with Chukes

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<v Speaker 3>and the rookie Caden Wallace. Wallace on the left side,

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<v Speaker 3>a corpf we on the right, but no David Andrews.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think with the Judon thing. To me, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about this Mike a Ton today, it just

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<v Speaker 1>puts into person effective the pass rush and the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, just to make it about football for

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<v Speaker 1>a second, the lack of juice that they have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit right now in the pass rush without Judah

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<v Speaker 1>and Christian Barmore out there is a teeny bit concerning

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to like be alarmist about it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I charted the one on ones between the

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<v Speaker 1>O line and the D line, and I had nine

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<v Speaker 1>straight wins for the offensive line. And this is an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line that all offseason we've been telling you guys

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<v Speaker 1>isn't very good on paper, and you know some people

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<v Speaker 1>have ranked it I think thirty first, thirty second in

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<v Speaker 1>the league on paper in terms of the talent that

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<v Speaker 1>they have and the guys that they have in camp

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>U J.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennings a quality wise, Keon White are having a tough

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<v Speaker 1>time getting off blocks in the one on one pass

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<v Speaker 1>rush drills, and that just puts in perspective how important

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<v Speaker 1>those two guys are for this team.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we're covering the big pieces here. We talked

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<v Speaker 4>about Drake May, We talked about the quarterback, Jacoby Brissett,

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<v Speaker 4>We talked about the offensive line, some of the concerns

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<v Speaker 4>on defense. The other big thing for this team of

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<v Speaker 4>the receivers. And it's just a big group and we've

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<v Speaker 4>kind of been talking about how there's been such rotation.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, just everybody's kind of playing with everybody. Some days,

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<v Speaker 4>some guys are making plays other days or not. I

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<v Speaker 4>just want to ask both of you guys, like, who's

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<v Speaker 4>one guy to you that's just kind of stood out

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of tight ends, wide receivers. Just one guy

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<v Speaker 4>that's caught your eyes over the last couple of days

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<v Speaker 4>as pads have come on And Paul, you can say

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<v Speaker 4>nobody if he.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know why I think that it's I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to say the opposite of nobody. I'm gonna say different days,

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen different guys like I thought on Monday, Taekwon

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<v Speaker 3>Thorton kind of stood out to me. I think earlier

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<v Speaker 3>when there was no pads on, Rager was making some plays.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the two rookies have had days where they've

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that Polk was a little bit better today

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<v Speaker 3>than I've seen him, whereas Baker wasn't as good as

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen him in other days. So I wouldn't say nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say nobody consistently every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a fair way to put it. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the same things. I think we're in

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<v Speaker 1>lockstep on the receivers. The one guy I would just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of highlight, though, I am excited about Javon Baker

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit just because of the way he moves

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<v Speaker 1>and the type of athlete that he is. It might

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<v Speaker 1>not be consistent yet day in and day out and

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<v Speaker 1>rep in and rep out, and that's sort of how

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he would be in his NFL career, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking at some of the comps, like, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>guy that I stuck out to me that also happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be UCF guys, Gabe Davis, who like will have

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<v Speaker 1>a game where he has one hundred and fifty yards

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next week he's not even on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like, and I kind of feel the same

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<v Speaker 1>way about Javon Baker in these practices. But when he

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<v Speaker 1>is explosive and he's on like he was yesterday, at

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<v Speaker 1>times you notice him that he moves a little bit differently,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pop Douglas moves differently too, but he's smaller, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Javon Baker moves differently at six one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five two hundred pounds, so he's got some size and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got some explosiveness and that that's a good quality

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<v Speaker 1>to have. So I'm excited about him, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get too ahead of ourselves, but having those

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<v Speaker 1>two guys flashed, you know, Polkin Baker as much as

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<v Speaker 1>they have, is not necessarily things that we've seen out

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<v Speaker 1>of rookie receivers in a Patriots training camp right away,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not with Nikhil Harry as we were all here

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and then even with Taekwon it was like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a play here, a play there, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>those two guys feel like they're involved and they're getting

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<v Speaker 1>targeted every single day.

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<v Speaker 3>And I will say today was the first time we

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<v Speaker 3>saw Douglas in a competitive rep. He did some seven

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<v Speaker 3>on seven's, caught a pass in natural so he wore

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<v Speaker 3>a red non contact jersey today. Obviously getting closer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's another one that she just jumps off the field.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got some quickness and certainly it's the skill that

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<v Speaker 4>the Patriots offense needs. But the team will be off

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<v Speaker 4>on Wednesday. We're through six practices here. We think we

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<v Speaker 4>got seven left with a joint practice, so we're about

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<v Speaker 4>at the halfway point Wednesday off day, and then we're

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<v Speaker 4>anticipating three more action pack practices, probably a couple with

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<v Speaker 4>pads as well. So be sure to stay tuned here

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah,