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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: When Steve Jobs and Steve Washney created the Apple computer,

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Speaker 2: do you think they realized what artificial intelligence would be

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Speaker 2: like today?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I don't think so. I mean at that point,

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Speaker 3: at that point, computers were the big thing, and what

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Speaker 3: was new about Apple and then later PC was that

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Speaker 3: you suddenly, instead of having a room full of servers

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Speaker 3: actually have a computer that was small enough to put

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Speaker 3: on your own desk. So that was the big progress.

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Speaker 3: But no, I don't think they could have dreamt of

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Speaker 3: what AI is today.

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Speaker 2: So many communities are up in arms about data centers

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Speaker 2: that seem to be cropping up in their community or

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Speaker 2: trying to is that legit.

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Speaker 4: The problem is that data centers use a lot of

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Speaker 4: energy and a lot of water, and in communities where

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Speaker 4: data centers have been built, the energy prices have gone

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Speaker 4: up like crazy, so people pay much more for electricity.

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Speaker 3: The government is currently trying to split so to have

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Speaker 3: one bill for residents and one bill for data centers,

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Speaker 3: which seems to be reasonable for me in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: because that would protect residential customers from these high bills.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I mean one of the not so often

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Speaker 3: the tremendous amount of energy and of water that they use.

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Speaker 2: So those are legitimate concerns.

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, that is a very legitimate concern. That Microsoft

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Speaker 3: wants to have three mile island back on the web

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Speaker 3: on the net for AI purposes is a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: There's been some concern that some software where has been

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Speaker 2: convincing kids to commit suicide. Is that legit?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is also absolutely legit. The problem is that uh, kids,

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Speaker 3: when they are lonely, they use AI as a partner,

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Speaker 3: as someone they can talk to, as someone they can trust,

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Speaker 3: and the system, again, the system regurgitates what they say

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Speaker 3: and does sense completely. It has no understanding. So for instance,

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Speaker 3: if a therapist would talk to a kid and the

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Speaker 3: kid would talk about suicide and would basically mention that

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Speaker 3: he or she was thinking about committing suicide, the therapist

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Speaker 3: would immediately alert you know, the the parents and the

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Speaker 3: teachers and the friends and the hotline and you name it.

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Speaker 5: You know, there would be immediately some some sort of

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Speaker 5: uh uh influx, right, some some sort of some sort

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Speaker 3: The I system unfortunately is too dumb. Again, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: understand what's going on. And so yes, they have they

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Speaker 3: have not interfered, and in some cases they have even

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Speaker 3: done ambiguous statements, made ambiguous statements that convince the kid

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Speaker 3: to commit suicide for the sake of the AI.

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Speaker 2: They've they've they've encouraged it, haven't they?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Now what would make a kid listen to a chat

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Speaker 2: GBD and listen to it?

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Speaker 3: Well, the the system behaves as if it had an understanding, right,

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Speaker 3: and the humans are very very good in projecting projecting

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Speaker 3: human qualities into things. This is called anthropo morphization. I

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Speaker 3: know that's a mouthful of a word, but nonetheless it's anthropomorphization.

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Speaker 3: Humans are basically treating everything they interact with as humans,

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Speaker 3: and which makes sense because you know, that's what we

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Speaker 3: so it makes sense to treat everything as if it

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Speaker 3: was human. But the problem with their eyes are they

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Speaker 3: decidedly are not. They have no understanding, and but we

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Speaker 3: project into them and they seem to know seemingly everything,

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Speaker 3: So you can talk with them about everything seemingly and

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Speaker 3: you know, I had tried out Chatt just to write

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Speaker 3: me some poems and they are tried. You know, they

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Speaker 3: are not good at all. They are yeah, try it superficial.

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Speaker 3: But I remember showing them to my kids at university

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Speaker 3: and they loved them. They thought they were so great. Right, So, well,

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Speaker 3: it was an academic paper with that title.

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Speaker 2: I know, but you can't repeat it on the air.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, I'm very sorry, but but but anyway,

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Speaker 3: the paper was about that cha chat gpt, uh gives words,

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Speaker 3: it really doesn't. And uh, people are lonely. People are

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Speaker 3: very lonely. There's the Loneliness Academy. We all know that

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Speaker 3: people have become, especially young people have become even more

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Speaker 3: lonely through social media because a lot of their friends

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Speaker 3: do the kids, who do the kids turn to to

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Speaker 3: the computer that they are on there that they are

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Speaker 3: and stay access chet shept or other lllms through their

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Speaker 3: in their life. And that's that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 8: And I know you're gonna want some them after hearing this.

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Speaker 8: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 6: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now,

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Speaker 8: was suffering with not just one or two warts, but

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Speaker 8: I mean as significant outbreak of warts all over his body,

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Speaker 8: so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 9: right EI's book.

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Speaker 6: Actually, they got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and

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Speaker 1: so I can see that it would work.

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Speaker 8: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 8: was actually improvement it's really going to work.

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Speaker 9: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 9: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 9: and then going down to the with just little red marks.

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Speaker 9: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 9: you know, one the size of the warner. I thought,

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Speaker 9: no way, that's gonna wow. It's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 9: see them get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 8: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 6: It's great to see him so happy and yeah.

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Speaker 8: Confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 6: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away. TI,

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Speaker 6: this is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Which brings up the question of robotics. People are lonely.

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Speaker 2: Do you see the day where robots are going to

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Speaker 3: So when we build embodied robots back in the nineteen

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Speaker 3: as social machines, so they had some understanding of social

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Speaker 3: and we thought they might be companions. Unfortunately, this kind

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Speaker 3: I would say, since there is again this complete lack

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Speaker 3: of understanding that robots will charm us even more than

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Speaker 3: and that is very attractive, right. I mean, the LM

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Speaker 3: still a sense of estrangement. But if actually the robot

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Speaker 3: shares with us a physical space and looks like us

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Speaker 2: Expensive.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very But you know, I read a very

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Speaker 3: like that. And again, these systems are relatively relatively good

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Speaker 3: at what they're doing, but when they fail to do something,

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Speaker 3: robot is actually a total breach of privacy because someone

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Speaker 3: else can look through the robots eyes into your home.

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Speaker 2: In manufacturing processes, the assembly lines, would you call those

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are robots. They are not smart robots, they

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Speaker 3: are not artificial intelligence robots, but yes they are robots.

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Speaker 3: The field of robotics is huge. I mean, we have

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Speaker 2: You remember a movie called Space Outssey two thousand and one. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: hell that's right, a computer who literally had its own mind.

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Speaker 2: Are they at that point yet?

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Speaker 3: No, they are not at this point. They they they

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Speaker 3: they are far away from that point. And because they

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Speaker 3: to build intelligence into them. And this intelligence is the

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Speaker 2: What do you think Anna will be the next breakthrough

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Speaker 3: I do believe if they are actually able to combine

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Speaker 3: the system to learn to understand what it actually is saying,

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Speaker 3: and that would be a major breakthrough.

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Speaker 2: What is it technically about the hardware that allows artificial

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Speaker 2: right now? What is in there that makes all this happened?

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Speaker 2: Computer check?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know when I talked about the basket of

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Speaker 3: has three dimensions. The space the total space of a

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Speaker 3: normal LLM these days has about eighteen thousand dimensions, eighteen

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Speaker 3: It is just incredibly complex, and that is what makes

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Speaker 3: it so darn good.

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Speaker 2: If Albert Einstein even had half the computer power that

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Speaker 2: what could he have done with that?

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Speaker 2: I think he could have done incredible things.

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Speaker 3: I think he would have been able to come with

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Speaker 3: the grande unifying theory. Definitely was smart enough, and I

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Speaker 3: think he would have been able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Because he did all his figures in mathematics by hand.

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Speaker 2: He could have a computer do it right.

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Speaker 3: No, if he had a computer like we have today,

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Speaker 3: he would have solved a lot of world problems. I think.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the BlackBerry cell phone?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're out of business because people didn't like the

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Speaker 2: screen they had. The BlackBerry had buttons you had to

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Speaker 2: hit right, and the screen. Keyboard is what beat it

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Speaker 2: and crushed it. When Apple came out with that and

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Speaker 2: Android and stuff like that, why didn't they see that coming?

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Speaker 3: You know, I actually liked my when I had a

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Speaker 3: cell phone with a physical keyboard, I actually liked it.

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Speaker 3: I think it is very very hard to predict what

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Speaker 7: But it seems for a lot of people the keyboard

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Speaker 7: you don't need it, and that means you have a

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Speaker 7: bigger screen, and that's the big advantage.

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Speaker 2: My great example of technology that changes the world. Were

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Speaker 2: you familiar with the company called Blockbuster?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They used to rent video tapes. Yes, with stores all

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Speaker 2: over the country, all over the place, all over the world.

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Speaker 2: People would go in there and get their VHS tapes

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Speaker 2: or their CDs or whatever they did.

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Speaker 3: I know, and then would check if you have a rebounded,

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Speaker 3: if you have reminded it.

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Speaker 2: I bet some kid went into his boss at Blockbuster

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Speaker 2: and said, technology is going to change all this. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to need stores anymore. Everything will be done

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Speaker 2: right off of remote and your television set. We need

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Speaker 2: to move in that direction. And I bet the guy

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Speaker 2: threw the kid out of the office.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the kid would have been right. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: You probably will know, I mean, went on the Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Probably. What happens with technological progress is just absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 3: And what happened in the last I mean, can you

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Speaker 3: imagine that AI has? I mean, the modern llms have

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Speaker 3: only been around for three years and they changed already

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Speaker 3: so much. It's just unbelievable.

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