WEBVTT - Caddying for Tiger Woods

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball in a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Friday Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida fridagg bride.

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<v Speaker 1>Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode, I'm very excited. I am joined by Steve Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>longtime caddie for Tiger Woods, and Evan Priest Uh. They

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<v Speaker 2>together put uh put together a book that is on

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<v Speaker 2>sale on April first, called Together We Roared. You can

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<v Speaker 2>pre order this book. Really they they went into painstaking

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<v Speaker 2>detail to recount and sit down and rehash Steve Williams'

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<v Speaker 2>career catting for Tiger Woods, which was quite the run,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best runs we've ever seen in pro golf,

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<v Speaker 2>probably the best run that we've ever seen in pro golf.

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<v Speaker 2>So today I'm joined by Steve Williams and Evan Priest

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<v Speaker 2>UH to talk about some of the stories, tales and

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<v Speaker 2>UH and just talk about catting for Tiger Woods in

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<v Speaker 2>in really his heyday. This was really a fun episode

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<v Speaker 2>UH to speak with with Steve and Evan obviously worlds

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<v Speaker 2>of insight, and I mean I think you could, as

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<v Speaker 2>Evan got to do, Uh, you could probably talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Steve for days about about his time catting.

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<v Speaker 3>For Tiger Woods. So we will we will get into that.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We are barreling down on the Master So the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple episodes will probably be Masters themed. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do an Augusta National Course podcast next week

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<v Speaker 2>and then we will have our our Master's pod coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was a This was an awesome episode. I

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<v Speaker 2>was it was really pumped after we finished this interview,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was fun reading the book. Check out the book.

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<v Speaker 2>You can pre order it on Amazon. Together we roared.

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<v Speaker 2>get to Steve Williams and Evan Priest. All right, Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask, how did you get Tiger to

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<v Speaker 2>play in the New Zealand Open.

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<v Speaker 4>It was quite simple. When I made the arrangement to

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<v Speaker 4>start working with him, I said, he's only I only

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<v Speaker 4>asked for one thing, and he said, what's that? I said,

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<v Speaker 4>when you win a major championship, I'd like you to

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<v Speaker 4>come down and play in the New Zealand Open. It

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<v Speaker 4>was as simple as that, and I have to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I took great pride, and then he took that he

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<v Speaker 4>was seriously and he came down and played. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it like getting that on his schedule, because obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think like probably one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that with a global superstar liked Tiger time and figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out when someone can do something is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>trickiest things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was very fortunate when he agreed that he

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<v Speaker 4>was going to plan it and he inquired about how soon,

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<v Speaker 4>what year could we plan it. The organizers of the event,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, were willing to make the event the date

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<v Speaker 4>that suited him basically, so, and it was it's normally

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<v Speaker 4>played back then was played in February, so we played

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<v Speaker 4>it in January after the toramented Capelous. So it worked

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<v Speaker 4>very convenient. Capella is, you know, halfway to New Zealand

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<v Speaker 4>as it is, so you know, instead of being a

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen hour flight Mala, it's only an eight our flight

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<v Speaker 4>from Honolulu, so that worked out really good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I saw that I didn't know before this

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<v Speaker 2>as a you know, a Tiger fan, really someone that

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<v Speaker 2>got into golf because of Tiger. So obviously you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Williams fan. I didn't really you were from Paraparauma

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<v Speaker 2>Beach and that's a golf course that I've dreamed of

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<v Speaker 2>going to see for years. I didn't realize that that

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand Open was played at the course that you

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<v Speaker 2>grew up on. What was it like seeing and and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, seeing Tiger Woods come play the golf course

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<v Speaker 2>that you grew up on in the New Zealand Open.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was kind of surreal. And on the Tuesday

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<v Speaker 4>afternoon when we went and played nine holes practice, we

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<v Speaker 4>stood on the tenth tee and these you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know how many thousands of people there were. I've

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<v Speaker 4>never seen that many people at UMU, So I had

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<v Speaker 4>to get my head around it for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because as a golf course so I started

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<v Speaker 4>cutting out when I'm five years old, and every day

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<v Speaker 4>after school I looked for golf balls and all the

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<v Speaker 4>water hazards and so forth. Though, you know, to be

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<v Speaker 4>then walking the fairways with at the time the best

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<v Speaker 4>player in the world, it was. It was remarkable. It

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<v Speaker 4>was actually was It was a dream come true. And

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<v Speaker 4>actually as a child, when I used to watch all

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<v Speaker 4>these taunts on TV from America, I had this idea that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe one day I might be getting one

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<v Speaker 4>of those guys and maybe one day he might play

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<v Speaker 4>my course. I mean, it was ar fit extreme, but

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<v Speaker 4>it was one of those dreams that came to reality,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, it was exciting times.

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<v Speaker 2>So Evan, you and Steve put together this book together,

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<v Speaker 2>we wrote and it's it's really Steve's recounting of his

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<v Speaker 2>career with Tiger Woods, which arguably the greatest run of

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<v Speaker 2>a player in a caddy together in the history of golf.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your favorite part of putting this book together

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<v Speaker 2>with Steve.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's I mean, it's hard. It's a hard question

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<v Speaker 5>and an easy question at the same time. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think I've told a few people now and I've decided

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<v Speaker 5>that when Steve and I were researching, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>researching and writing, and we were doing twice weekly interviews,

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<v Speaker 5>my favorite moment is when Steve would interrupt himself because

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<v Speaker 5>he would recall it question I'd asked in the previous interview,

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<v Speaker 5>and he'd be like, Evan, I just had a thought,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'd scrambled for the notepad and be like, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 5>because they were the most raw, like organic kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like they've they've laid dormant in Steve's memory for decades

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<v Speaker 5>and he's just remembered it until now. So I knew

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<v Speaker 5>those were and those ended up being like basically the

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<v Speaker 5>best anecdotes in the book where Steve just accidentally his

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<v Speaker 5>memory just that you know, machine was rolling and all

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<v Speaker 5>of a sudden he recalled something and that was to

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<v Speaker 5>me the most organic memories that he had, because some

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<v Speaker 5>of the best anecdotes in the book, like the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that Tiger and Steve hand wrote letters to each other,

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<v Speaker 5>that was that answer came from a totally unrelated question

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<v Speaker 5>and he just remembered on that in that moment that

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<v Speaker 5>he and Tiger hand wrote letters to each other. And

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, well, that's no, no one knows that. That's

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<v Speaker 5>a totally new, you know, revealing sort of tale about

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<v Speaker 5>him and Tiger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I suppose that was my favorite moments.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, when when Steve would interrupt himself and just bring

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<v Speaker 5>up absolute gold from the bowels of his memory.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the great beauty of the book and not

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<v Speaker 4>been in a rush to do it when we had

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and then we did it twice a week,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was actually amazing some of the things that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's been a number of years since I've

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<v Speaker 4>actually worked with Tiger, and that was the beauty of

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<v Speaker 4>the book. That actually rekindled some of my own memories,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was a lot of fun to beout it

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<v Speaker 4>not only rekindle them, but actually write them down and

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<v Speaker 4>remember those memories so that you know, like the book

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<v Speaker 4>will be a great read for me as well, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to keep myself up to date with what happened a

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<v Speaker 4>number of years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>And and the one for the gearheads out there, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>only tease this, you know, so that it's not ruined

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<v Speaker 5>when you go to read the book, but so it's

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<v Speaker 5>quite famous amongst gearheads that Tiger eschewed the Nike driver

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<v Speaker 5>for about a week back in two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 5>And yes, if you are some of the great golf

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<v Speaker 5>journalists like equipment journalist John Wall and Mike Johnson, those

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<v Speaker 5>sorts of guys, they know about that period, but they

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<v Speaker 5>don't know why. And there's actually a really just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of silly reason that Tiger got rid the Nike driver

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<v Speaker 5>for a week tried a tailor made driver and the

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<v Speaker 5>story behind that was one of my favorite memories that

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<v Speaker 5>Steve came up with. And again that was that was

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<v Speaker 5>a memory where we were just talking about some event

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<v Speaker 5>in two thousand and three and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 5>Steve goes, you know what, I remember there was this

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<v Speaker 5>one moment and it was this one golf with a

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<v Speaker 5>triggered Tiger to want more distance, and that was one

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<v Speaker 5>of my favorite moments in the book. And I just thought,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think anyone in the world knows that. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>pretty sure that's brand new. And that was I think

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<v Speaker 5>that was my favorite moment in the book.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was. I was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many little nitty gritty things I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up caddying and I always have enjoy, like, just love

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<v Speaker 2>the psychology of player and caddy. Steve you in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>there are multiple references to these detailed stats that you

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<v Speaker 2>would keep in a notebook about taker's rounds, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you would go and analyze them, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>think now the tour is so far, you know, they've

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<v Speaker 2>been such leaps and strides in terms of stat keeping.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, you know, in the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>was keeping stats like was this a common thing that

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<v Speaker 2>caddies did, and what type of advantage did you feel

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<v Speaker 2>that these stats get brought you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it certainly wasn't a common thing about

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<v Speaker 4>caddes because everyone used to when you're standing with a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of other caddes on a path three T and

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<v Speaker 4>they look at your had you know, I would write

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<v Speaker 4>down the pin platements on a piece of a four

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<v Speaker 4>paper from one to eighteen and I have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of notes on every hole and what those notes were,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I would write the distance down that Tiger had,

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<v Speaker 4>what club would he hit, and did he hit it

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<v Speaker 4>right or left? And so at the end of the week,

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<v Speaker 4>I could look at all these stats and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>say he hit you know, he hit a driver, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five times this week, he hit nine left and

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<v Speaker 4>X amount of shots to write, and I would be

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<v Speaker 4>able to compound not only stats of obviously the ones

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<v Speaker 4>that are like hitting a fairway, noting in a fairway,

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<v Speaker 4>but I would do my own way of doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, there was a lot of holes that say,

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<v Speaker 4>for instance, you had a hole that like, let's just

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<v Speaker 4>stay for instance, the eighteenth pole at the TPC at Sawgrass,

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<v Speaker 4>there's trouble on the left. You just can't go left.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a penalty. So if you hit it into the

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<v Speaker 4>first cutter right rough on the right, essentially that for

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<v Speaker 4>me was a fairway hit because you were trying to

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<v Speaker 4>hit it down the right side and you've only missed

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<v Speaker 4>it by a couple of yards. So I put that

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<v Speaker 4>down as a fairway hit to give me more accuracy

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<v Speaker 4>for what I needed to know. But at the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the week. I was about to go and tell Tiger, hey, look, Tiger,

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<v Speaker 4>last week, you know you hit this many seven nines

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a glaring fact that you hit this

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<v Speaker 4>many of them to the right, or you missed the

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<v Speaker 4>green with this many seven nines, but you didn't do

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<v Speaker 4>it with an apel nine on them, and that would

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<v Speaker 4>possibly mean there was this chance of maybe the lye

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<v Speaker 4>or the loft angle was off in that club. And

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<v Speaker 4>also it enabled me to give Tiger something to work

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<v Speaker 4>on all the time. You know, last week, this part

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<v Speaker 4>of your game was no good. So in between that

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<v Speaker 4>tournament and the next moment, if there was a break,

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<v Speaker 4>that gave them something to work on it. At the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the year, when I compiled a year statistics,

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<v Speaker 4>there would be something that would be below par for

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<v Speaker 4>what he would expect, and I would give him that

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<v Speaker 4>and that's something you could work on it. It was

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<v Speaker 4>very advantageous to be able to keep all those statistics

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know, compile them year after year. When

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<v Speaker 4>he made swing changes. You know, you know, there's always

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<v Speaker 4>a great debate between or not between us, but in

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<v Speaker 4>the media as the you know, did Tiger play better

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<v Speaker 4>under this swing?

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<v Speaker 1>Coach?

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<v Speaker 4>For this swing coach. I mean, I had all my

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<v Speaker 4>information that would tell me exactly that, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 4>which one was better or if in fact one coach

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<v Speaker 4>was better than the other statistically wise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and sorry, I was going to add Steve.

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<v Speaker 5>Steve worked out a glaring weakness from a specific club,

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<v Speaker 5>specific distance, and specific shot shape that you could Steve.

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<v Speaker 5>You probably agree it had a big impact on the

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<v Speaker 5>Tiger Slam before the two thousand season, and he kind

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<v Speaker 5>of went from you know, a below average to elite

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<v Speaker 5>at that distance to the point where you know, there

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<v Speaker 5>was a of a myth on too with the Tiger

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't good from this particular distance?

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<v Speaker 1>And was it?

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<v Speaker 5>Someone came up to Ameror and Tiger and yourself, Steve

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<v Speaker 5>during a practice round a people beach at the US Open.

0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.680
<v Speaker 5>It's Johnny Miller. And Miller said, yeah, but he can't

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<v Speaker 5>really hit wedges, can he can't? And he said no,

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<v Speaker 5>you watch like he's been working on it in the

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<v Speaker 5>off season with Steve. And that was all based on

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<v Speaker 5>Steve's starts from ninety ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, Look, statistics. For some unknown reason, no one

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<v Speaker 4>told me to start taking statistics when I first started

0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.880
<v Speaker 4>catting it wasn't just Tiger that the statistics was doing

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<v Speaker 4>it with Ray Floyd, and it just was a great

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<v Speaker 4>way of being able to sit down and analyze.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course nowadays they have all the shot linked data

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<v Speaker 4>and everything, but you know what that doesn't records, like

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<v Speaker 4>I said, is the clubs that were hit and where

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<v Speaker 4>and where those shots had. If there was a tendency,

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<v Speaker 4>what was that tendancy and you know what was the

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<v Speaker 4>reason for that tendancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way you talked about like giving a

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<v Speaker 2>fairway hit if you hit it up the right side

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<v Speaker 2>and it ends up in say the short rough instead

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<v Speaker 2>of the fairway.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like you achieved the shot you wanted to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always thought it was silly, like if I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>four inches on the fringe that it doesn't count as

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<v Speaker 2>a green. In my head, I counted as a green

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<v Speaker 2>and I counted as a putt, you know, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you think about sometimes playing Let's just say

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<v Speaker 4>you're playing in the Open Championship and it's horrendously windy

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<v Speaker 4>and you're going into a par four from well over

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<v Speaker 4>two hundred yards with a you know, three or four

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<v Speaker 4>in or something like that and you miss the green

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<v Speaker 4>by a foot, but it might be twelve. The flag

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<v Speaker 4>might be located four off the right of the green,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're five off the right of the green. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a great shot, that was, it's in the proximity

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<v Speaker 4>of where the flag's located. I count that as a

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<v Speaker 4>green hit, so it gave us a little bit more accuracy.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, the one stat that I love the

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<v Speaker 4>most is that I worked out that if Tiger hit

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<v Speaker 4>sixty five percent of the fairways or greater and didn't

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<v Speaker 4>three part in an event, you couldn't beat him. And

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<v Speaker 4>it was you know, so it was all you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he worked ferociously on never having a three pup and

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, that was a stat with that he

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<v Speaker 4>knew as well. So that was one that was a

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<v Speaker 4>very very good stat and you know, a decent driving

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<v Speaker 4>week those three puts, he was going to be standing

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<v Speaker 4>on the podium.

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<v Speaker 2>So you worked for Greg Norman and then also Ray Floyd,

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<v Speaker 2>two great all time great players. When you got the

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<v Speaker 2>call from Tiger, you know what you're working for? Raef Floyd?

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<v Speaker 2>What excited you so much about Tiger Woods at that time?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it actually it wasn't it was. It was an

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<v Speaker 4>odd situation. It was a nineteen ninety nine and in fact,

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday I was just reminded yesterday it was twenty six

0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.200
<v Speaker 4>years to the day to the first time I put

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<v Speaker 4>his bag on my shoulder Tuesday, the March the seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 4>was in nineteen ninety nine. So anyway, in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>I had in ninety ninety nine, I thought, I thought

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<v Speaker 4>to myself, in two thousands might be my last year counting.

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<v Speaker 4>I was interested in going back to New Zealand and

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<v Speaker 4>maybe starting some kind of junior academy and taking all

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<v Speaker 4>the information I've learned from all the years on tour

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<v Speaker 4>canting for Greg and Raymond Floyd, that perhaps I could

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<v Speaker 4>use that information to really help junior golf in New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 4>I've done an extensive amount of travel, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>satisfied with the career that I had. And then I,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I got the call from Tiger. I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>take the job immediately. I talked to a few friends

0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.440
<v Speaker 4>about it because I knew it was going to be demanding.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I even you know, when I went up

0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.960
<v Speaker 4>and met Tiger at his place in Orlando and discussed

0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:44.359
<v Speaker 4>the job, and he explained pretty clearly what his mode,

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<v Speaker 4>what his goals were, and what he was striving to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew it was going to be an intense job,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know it was something I took on and

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<v Speaker 4>I relished the challenge, and yeah, the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess you could say what.

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<v Speaker 2>Made Tiger just different from from other great players like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, you know a lot of players are

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<v Speaker 4>just happy some weeks just to make the cup, finish

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<v Speaker 4>in the top ten, wherever it might be. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>Tiger's a successful week is only a win, So if

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't a win, it wasn't a successful week. And

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<v Speaker 4>his his drive and determination to reach such lofty goals

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<v Speaker 4>whether he got there or not, but he set himself

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<v Speaker 4>some incredibly lofty goals and the way that he worked

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<v Speaker 4>to get to those goals and the way that he's

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<v Speaker 4>able to peak for major championships, and I think that

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<v Speaker 4>was the catalyst to Tiger's successes. He worked out a

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<v Speaker 4>way and had a schedule, and you know, when he

0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.879
<v Speaker 4>sat down and did a schedule, he never deviated off

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<v Speaker 4>a schedule. That's one thing I loved with him a

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<v Speaker 4>post any player that I've worked for, he would sit

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<v Speaker 4>down at the end of a season and he would

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<v Speaker 4>work out a schedule that he thought were best enabled

0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.000
<v Speaker 4>him to peak for those four major championships. And he

0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.359
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't deviate from that schedule, which made it very easy

0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.720
<v Speaker 4>for myself living in New Zealand traveling back and forth.

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<v Speaker 4>But he just the way he went about things, he

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, he he didn't get caught up. And

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<v Speaker 4>all the money he got made, he didn't get caught

0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:03.720
<v Speaker 4>up and all the fame that he had. He just

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<v Speaker 4>had some goals and and he just works his tail

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<v Speaker 4>off to achieve those goals. And you know, it's very

0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 4>easy to get comfortable in life. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>great players on the tour that should have major championships

0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.320
<v Speaker 4>and multiple championships behind their names, and Evan, you've seen

0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.000
<v Speaker 4>that year in year out. You know, you wonder how

0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.919
<v Speaker 4>some of these guys don't win majors, But when you

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.520
<v Speaker 4>make the sort of money some of these guys do,

0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.440
<v Speaker 4>some of them get comfortable and they lead a very

0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 4>luxurious life if you like. But you know, Tiger was

0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.680
<v Speaker 4>just he had a goal and that was obviously the

0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.080
<v Speaker 4>clip Jacks record of eighteen majors, and he was never

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<v Speaker 4>going to start working hard. Even to this day, even

0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.439
<v Speaker 4>as we speak right now, you know, you know that

0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.680
<v Speaker 4>he believes in himself that at some point he can

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<v Speaker 4>stand on the first tee of a major championship and

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.600
<v Speaker 4>feel that he is fully fit, fit to compete seventy

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<v Speaker 4>two holes, and that he's done the practice to do that. So,

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, I guess last week's announcement a lot of

0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 4>people were thinking, oh, that might be the end of them,

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.960
<v Speaker 4>but online there is no way that's the end of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, as you know, as someone who covered

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty nineteen Masters, and Evan you were there also.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it kind of like we had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid two thousands, this period of time where

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, well, it may never happen again, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it happens and you're like, this is astonishing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Now at this point, I'm I'm it's unbelievable.

0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.320
<v Speaker 2>He's not even playing and going you know it, he'll

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.240
<v Speaker 2>play just the Masters and make the cut, and he

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.199
<v Speaker 2>has this made cut streak that's still going at Augusta National.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's just astonishing.

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<v Speaker 1>He is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like the hyper competitiveness is something that you know,

0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:46.520
<v Speaker 2>we've you know, the greatest athletes ever and I you know,

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.080
<v Speaker 2>I grew up a fan of Michael Jordan. It's something

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.439
<v Speaker 2>you see that, like where that drive to be the

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<v Speaker 2>best was just out of this world. Evan, do you

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<v Speaker 2>have a favorite story from the book that maybe didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make it.

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<v Speaker 5>In Oh, it's a great question. Wow, there wasn't much

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<v Speaker 5>in the cutting room floor, to be honest, but oh god,

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<v Speaker 5>you've absolutely got me a beauty there. Favorite story that

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<v Speaker 5>didn't make the book, I think, to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 5>there were a few moments from two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 5>like actually non major tournaments during that season, like he

0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.520
<v Speaker 5>was really at the height of his powers and Steve

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.080
<v Speaker 5>and Tiger witnessed such incredible things. But two thousand and five,

0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 5>there are a few regular tournaments, I suppose moments like

0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 5>Steve told me off camera about the chip in I

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<v Speaker 5>think it was a birdie at Tahyo Club in Japan

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 5>where they played the Asia Pacific Amateur last year, and

0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 5>just the moments surrounding that, and how Tiger told Steve

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:47.840
<v Speaker 5>like this is absolutely going in. This is the way

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 5>it's going to break once it hits the green. It

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.959
<v Speaker 5>was completely identical to the two thousand and five Masters

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 5>chip in. It just gets less airtime because I believe

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.199
<v Speaker 5>it was a WGC World Cup and just moments like

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.239
<v Speaker 5>that where there's such geeky goal stories, but you know,

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 5>when you're working to ninety thousand words, ninety five thousand words,

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 5>it's just like something has to give and that unfortunately

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 5>it was one of them, but I think, yeah that

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and when was that stew thousand and one, Well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it was something like that. Was it was

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 4>the World Cup? And it was I wrong that Tiger

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:19.679
<v Speaker 4>tipped them to beat New Zealand.

0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Was that Craig Perks and Craig Perry on that.

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.680
<v Speaker 4>Tim No, it was.

0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 3>Michael Campbell and Campbell.

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I don't actually recall the other player, but

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<v Speaker 4>he chipped them to beat us on. Yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 4>was it was like a bit of sweet chipping. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was moments like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was just like it's honestly, there were hundreds

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:47.720
<v Speaker 5>of them, and you just like felt like you were

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 5>maybe choosing one of your children over the other when

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:52.920
<v Speaker 5>you when you made the call delete that story from

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 5>the manuscript, But you just thought, man, ninety five thousand

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 5>words to work with There's so much more I could

0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 5>go into, but yeah, that was one of them. Those

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 5>cool off the beaten path, non major stories were my favorite.

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Steve, you brought up the swing change a little bit,

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and I think I reading reading the book, I think

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>you have some opinions probably around this. It seemed like

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.240
<v Speaker 2>you were a big fan of the way Hank Haney taught.

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:22.399
<v Speaker 2>When you look back, do you ever question whether he

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.880
<v Speaker 2>should have reset the swing kind of after that slump

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.600
<v Speaker 2>with Bush Harmon. I think this is something that all

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 2>golf nerds think about a lot.

0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, it's a great question, and you know there's

0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 4>so many people got an opinion on it, but no, no,

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 4>I can give an accurate answer because you know, he

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 4>actually made the swing change. But Tiger's a very very

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.199
<v Speaker 4>that he's a big student of the game, has a

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:53.440
<v Speaker 4>great understanding of the fundamentals and the technique and what's

0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 4>required to be able to swing the best for your

0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 4>sort of physical limitations of you like, And he wouldn't

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 4>make a swing change of that magnitude unless he thought

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 4>he could get better. And that's the great thing about

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 4>strife that Tiger is the continuation to strive to get better.

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 4>He never got comfortable. He always believed there was a

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 4>way to get better. And I describe that quite clearly

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:25.239
<v Speaker 4>in the book about his you know, his process around that.

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 4>But you know, he just believed that he could get better.

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's not something that was a rash decision.

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.879
<v Speaker 4>He put a lot of thought into it. And he

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.359
<v Speaker 4>you know, he had he had one sort of floor

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 4>in a swing that you know, he found difficult to

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 4>get to remove that floor in a swing when he

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 4>was working with Botch, and he felt that going on

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 4>another route with Hank would possibly end that floor that

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 4>he had. Tiger could continuously say, you know, when someone

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.439
<v Speaker 4>asked him about a particture, I got stuck. And he

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 4>hated that feeling of what he would call get stuck

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.719
<v Speaker 4>basically in Layman's terms of getting the club behind your

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 4>bodies ahead of the club and so forth, and you know,

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 4>you either get stuck or you flip it with the hands.

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 4>But he believed, you know, that he could find a

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 4>way that he could swing the best that he could

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 4>and he was striving to find that. And you know

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 4>he made that change from Butsch to Hank, and my

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 4>statistics will tell you that he played equally as well

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 4>under both of those coaches.

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 5>And just to add to that, Steve analyzed that particular

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 5>sort of phenomenon in a way that I've never thought about,

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 5>and it's actually one of my favorite sort of parts

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 5>of the book. There's not really an anecdote, it's more

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 5>analysis in that Tiger actually needed that challenge, as like

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 5>he needed to give himself an obstacle to be able

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.919
<v Speaker 5>to move forward. It was almost like, you know, be

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.440
<v Speaker 5>where the injured golfer be, where the golfer going through

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 5>a swing change, and he needed to constantly take one

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 5>step backwards to be able to go two steps forward because.

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:53.119
<v Speaker 1>He enjoyed the media.

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 5>You know, Steve told me this, and I don't mean

0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 5>to put words in Tiger's mouth, but Tiger really enjoyed

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 5>media criticizing him and for why he would make a

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 5>swing change when it had just won the ninety ninety

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 5>seven Masters or it had just completed the Tiger Slam,

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.360
<v Speaker 5>and he enjoyed that having that chip on the shoulder

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 5>to wear around as like, well, not only do I

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 5>have an excuse for playing poorly, but I actually had

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 5>something that's driving me to succeed because everyone thinks that

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 5>I can't win, you know, more majors with a swing change,

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.640
<v Speaker 5>But I'm going to go out there and prove them

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 5>that even with a B plus swing, while I'm perfecting

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 5>it to A plus, I'm still going to go out

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 5>there and beat everyone with my B and C game.

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 5>And it actually gave him this kind of challenge that

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 5>it was almost like he had reached a level of

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 5>perfection after the Tiger Slam. I would never accuse him

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 5>of being bored of golf given the level that he achieved,

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 5>but he kind of needed something else to take his

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 5>mind off the pursuit of majors. And Steve describes it

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 5>beautifully in the book and that it gave him like

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 5>a second and a third win. You know that the

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 5>change under boardsch after ninety seven, the change under Haype

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 5>after sort of during the slum, it gave him extra motivation,

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 5>almost like Mike wod Jordan taking you know, perceived slides

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 5>in the NBA and using them as fuel. It was

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 5>a lot like that with the swing changes. Wouldn't you

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 5>agree with Steve.

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent? I mean, there's no person I know

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 4>that's played golf that likes the challenge like he does.

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 4>And that was. You know, when you present yourself with

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 4>a challenge of making a major swing game, what that

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 4>does is keep you one hundred percent focused on working

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 4>as hard as you can to be the best player

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 4>you can. And it's very easy to get comfortable in golf.

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 4>We see it all the time with players, and you

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 4>wonder they get to a certain level and then they just,

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 4>you know, they don't they don't continue that trajectory upwards.

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 4>They just stay flat for a long period of time.

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 4>And that and he one of his ways for him

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 4>to continue that unbelievable upward trajectory was by making a

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 4>swing change and then working ultimately as hard as he

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 4>possibly could to get that swing change into position where

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 4>he could win major championships. It wasn't you know. I mean,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 4>it's amazing. His mind is so different to anybody else.

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, that constant us to continue to improve. Would

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>you say that's you know, in all your years on tour,

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>is that one of the big separators with Tiger to

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody else besides just the sublime talent?

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Look, yeah, I mean there are an enormous amount of

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 4>players that have talent just like Tiger's got a lot

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 4>of natural talent. And a lot of talent that these

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 4>derived from incredibly hard work. But you know, you're absolutely right.

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's just that that's just the way the

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 4>man is, and that's Harry. You know, that's Harry went

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 4>on to be such a great player, you know, that

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 4>drive to get better and work and put a new

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 4>swing on the table and make it work.

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Has there been a player that's come along since Tiger

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.760
<v Speaker 2>that most reminds you of Tiger Woods?

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean I think when I look at Rory,

0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 4>I find him to be a very very gifted athlete,

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 4>a guy that works extremely hard on his game, and

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 4>he strives to get better all the time as well.

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 4>And he works very, very hard, and he's physically very

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's like Tiger from when he came on

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 4>the tour to now. His body formation, in his physical

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, presence is right up there. And yeah, you know,

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 4>I just admire him as a player, and you know,

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 4>like everybody, we just hope that he can get over

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 4>the line at augusta join that exclusive Grand Slam club

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 4>and then perhaps he can make a significant run to

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 4>add to his major tally. But you know, when you

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 4>take the time to write a book like this with Evan,

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 4>and you see how successful Tiger was in the record

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 4>that he had in the major champ So, you know,

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 4>and you see someone like Rory who hasn't won a

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 4>major since twenty fourteen, he's an unbelievable player. It just

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 4>shows you how difficult it is to win major championships.

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 4>And I think during that time, you know, Evan's a journalist,

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know, and all the people that me and

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 4>or even that they got to the point where they

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 4>just expected it to be him to be in contention

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 4>and major championships with a chance to win. But it

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 4>certainly wasn't as easy as that. You know, it's not

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 4>as easy as he made a look, and you know,

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 4>you've got guys, like I said, like Rory has in

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 4>one month since twenty fourteen, and that proves how difficult

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 4>it is to win those major championships.

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I thought. I mean, it was just kind of fascinating.

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 3>When you're reading the book.

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, you guys got off to a little bit

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>of a slow start by Tiger standards, and you know,

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 2>you you expressed some level of worry about, you know,

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>how getting out of the blocks, and then next thing,

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like you're reading the book and it's like, oh,

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>they've won seven of the last eleven Mabors. Do you

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>is there a particular part of the run that you

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 2>go back and think of? And Evan was, They're a

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>particular part of the run that you most enjoyed hearing about.

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've got to say, Sonandrews, like it's just a

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 5>special place in all of our hearts really, but like

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 5>I was just blown away by what Steve remembered twenty

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 5>five years later, the fact that you know, a little

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 5>bit of a swallower, but he, like Steve, Steve cadded

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 5>for maybe the greatest golf it's ever been played, complete

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 5>the career Grand Slam, using a yardage book that he

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 5>drew by hand, because he didn't like that, you know,

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 5>like the kind of stock you know, mass distributed, which

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 5>was probably a very good yardage book, but that all

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 5>the caddies he's onto it.

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>He didn't like that.

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 5>A lot of the foreign caddies didn't like the way

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 5>that was mapped out because they had their own preference.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 5>The fact that Steve went there a week early while

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 5>Tiger was off playing the most incredible golf courses in

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 5>remote parts of Ireland just their history and you know

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 5>the fact that sonandrew is and the way that Tiger

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 5>dissected that it was truly I don't know if anyone's

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 5>played a golf course the way it was designed to

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 5>be played then Tiger Woods the Sandrew's in two thousand. Yeah,

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 5>So I think that's the favorite part of the Slam

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 5>for me. I don't know about you, Steve, but and

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 5>Andrews is always different. And also for the fact that

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 5>you finally were a major championship winning caddy at Saint Andrews,

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 5>and it was something you had dreamed about since you

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 5>walked up that eighteenth that s Andrew's with Fanny Simison

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 5>as she carded Faldo and so for you that was

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 5>a personal goal.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>So I enjoyed hearing.

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 5>That that side of the career Grand Slam as well.

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the Open Championship is, you know, I view it

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 4>as the greatest championship with the greatest golfing event there is.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 4>And to be able to walk up that eightyenth hole

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 4>twice with Tiger, you know, and both times, you know,

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 4>he's not like he's not needing to make a power

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 4>or Bertie to win the tournament. He's got the tournament

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 4>under control. It's a pretty special walk and the way

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 4>that he played around there in two thousand was, you know,

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 4>was incredible. But you know, if you go back to

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 4>the US Open and the you know, the first discussion

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 4>we have following his signing a scorecard at the US

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 4>before the presentation, that is, you know, obviously the little

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 4>bit of banter about what happened with the golf war situation.

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 4>And then the next thing he said to me, Steve,

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 4>I want you to get your ass over to St. Andrews.

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 4>I want you to know that golf course like the

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 4>back of the hand, because I'm going to play even

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 4>better than I did here at Pebble. And if you

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 4>were to asked me, Andy, which tournament was the greatest

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 4>taunt Tiger played? Was at St. Andrews in two thousand.

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.479
<v Speaker 4>You know, at Pebble Beach there was a triple bogie

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 4>on the third hole there, and there was a couple

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 4>of shots that you know weren't as good. But at

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 4>San Andrews, just as Evans said, he just dissected that

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 4>course and played unbelievable. And another fond memory of the

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Open Championship was actually at Hoylake Tiger not played the

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 4>course before, and we arrived there on Saturday afternoon. We

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 4>hadn't got to the house for two minutes and Tiger's

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 4>pushed me out the door. Get down the road, get

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 4>to the golf course, Steve, go and have a walk

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 4>around before I'm going to play about you know, four o'clock.

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 4>It's like, man, you get to go and have a sleep.

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 4>How come I don't? So, you know, I go to

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 4>the golf course and I walk around, you know, pretty

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 4>pretty at a pretty quick pace, and then have a

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 4>get a good feel for it. Come back to the house.

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 4>We have lunch, and I sit down and I said,

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 4>you know what, Tiger, I reckon. If you don't hit

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 4>the drive around there, you're going to have a very

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 4>good chance. The bunker's a penal. Your iron play, my

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 4>statistics will tell me at the moment that your mid

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 4>to long iron play is better than it's ever been,

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 4>which it was, but by my statistics. And for him

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 4>to take that on board and play a major championship

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 4>without hitting a driver and win the tournament, that was

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 4>a pretty special week. And you know, I think other

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 4>players were just like, Wow, this guy's not hitting a driver,

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 4>and look where he's hitting it and he's still beating us.

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel like when you look back at one of

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 2>the biggest things that Tiger and the way he played

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 2>golf has left an imprint on the game was the

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 2>way the way he strategized and the way you guys

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 2>strategize getting around a golf course. And I think so

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 2>thing that's been popularized in golf has been the idea

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 2>of avoiding hazards at all costs. And at the Open,

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>you guys went out of your way to avoid bunkers

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>at all costs. There it's the most penal bunker. It's

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>effectively a shot penalty. The idea of aiming down sides

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 2>of fairways as opposed to right down the middle. Steve,

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 2>what was the was that a team kind of building

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.440
<v Speaker 2>into that or did Tiger have some of that before

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:31.319
<v Speaker 2>you got on the bag?

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 3>What was the strategy?

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>And kind of take us behind dissecting a golf course

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>with you guys.

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Look, I mean when I first out killing the Tiger,

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 4>you know, right at the beginning of ninety ninety nine,

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 4>he certainly wasn't in love with his driver. He was

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 4>he was not driving the ball good enough to win

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 4>major Championships right at the start of ninety nine to nine.

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 4>So you know, there was a lot of thought when

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 4>I'd go out and measure a golf course and I'd

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 4>just start looking, you know, on a hole in that okay,

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 4>so you know, you can't hit it on this side

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and that, and you've got to favor the side. And

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 4>so when when we play courses, I always would say

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 4>to Tiger, you know, you know, when you got on

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 4>the tea, you just favor a little right here, or

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 4>just favor a little left here. And he would know

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 4>exactly why I was saying that, because obviously there's trouble

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 4>on the left and that. And you know, when you

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 4>go around these Open Championship courses, if you take the

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 4>bunkers out of play, you eliminate the double bogie generally.

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's so many double bogies made during the

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 4>Open Championship because you drive it in one of these

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 4>fairway bunkers and sometimes you've got to come out backwards

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 4>or you can't even advance the ball sometimes, and you know,

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 4>it brings that double bogie factor on the play. And

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, the less double bogies you have on your card,

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 4>and a major better chance you got a winning But

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 4>it was just the thing that we you know, the

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 4>strategy thing to developed very quickly because I was very

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 4>aware that, you know, whilst he was you know, obviously

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 4>very long off the tee, he could be very wild

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 4>off the tea as well. You know, as as a

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 4>swinging proven its confidence improven, and also as the equipment

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 4>improved and so forth, he got better and better at

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 4>driving the ball. But you know, when you hit the ball,

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.479
<v Speaker 4>you know when he was playing, and you know through

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 4>that Tiger Slam, and that he was the longest, not

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 4>the longest player tour, but he was the longest of

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 4>the best players on tour, and he had a distinct

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 4>advantage and one of the biggest attributes that gets overlooked

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.840
<v Speaker 4>a Tiger's game. He's the best player out of rough ever,

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 4>there's just no question in my mind. No player has

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 4>had the skill and the strength and the ability to

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 4>control the ball out of the rough like Tiger did,

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 4>and that's something that gets overlooked. He's got many, many

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 4>great attributes of the way he's played the game better

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 4>than others, but that's the one that stands out to

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 4>me is just his ability, you know, and the iconic

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 4>shots that everybody will remember is obviously a pebble beats

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 4>and you know on the path up and over the

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 4>cliff on of the green, and the famous statement that

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 4>was heard around the world which became renowned was, you know,

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 4>Roger Malby said, you know, it's just not a fair game.

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, like that was I think it was one

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 4>of the all time great statements by a commentator. But

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, when you look at that shot there, there's

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 4>no other player can dig that ball out of that ruff,

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 4>get it up.

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 4>The strength and ability to play out of the rough

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 4>was extraordinary, you know, whether it be from two hundred

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 4>yards out of eighty yards out there. I mean he

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 4>could hit short shots out of the rough around the greens,

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:39.919
<v Speaker 4>pitch shots, you know, from forty sixty eighty yards around

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 4>the greens, and the control on them was just you know,

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 4>he was amazing how he could He had the strength

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.760
<v Speaker 4>and ability to hold that club face square. You know,

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 4>we all know when you're playing the long ruff, I

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 4>twists very quickly the hands that the ruff just wrapped

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 4>around the club face and't it. But his ability to

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 4>play out of the roff is something that was hugely

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 4>to ranges.

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:11.280
<v Speaker 3>All right, let's take a quick break.

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>We have a new podcast on the Frida Egg Golf

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.399
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0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 2>own Meg Atkins and Matthew Galloway and they talk about

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.160
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0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:29.320
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0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:33.719
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0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:41.080
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0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:45.040
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0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:48.040
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0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.440
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0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:53.480
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0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 3>We were really excited.

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.200
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0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.880
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0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:06.400
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0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>most notably caddy for Michelle Wee so very connected to

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the game. He's I feel like he's just got enough

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:18.439
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0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:23.000
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0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.399
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0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 2>let's get back to Steve Williams and Evan Priest. When

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you talk about I'm always fascinated about like golf IQ

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think Tiger has you know, I don't know

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:55.319
<v Speaker 2>him personally, but from all you know reports like this

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 2>extraordinary golf IQ. And you've been on the bag for

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.320
<v Speaker 2>a number of great players, whether it was like reading

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the lie, understand understanding the wind, understanding like what little

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>nuanced aspect of Tiger Wood's golf brain do you think

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 2>about the most.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the one thing that I thought was amazing that

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 4>he did so when he's playing with other players and

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 4>you'd get onto the green or you get around the green,

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 4>he would play out in his head that that player

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 4>is going to make that part, so that when that

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 4>player made the part, it's not like, oh wow, I'm

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 4>two shots behind, now no I'm one shot behind, all wow,

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 4>how did he make that? Or you lucky mother? He

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.919
<v Speaker 4>played this out in his head so there was never

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 4>any surprises, you know, Like you know, you often watch

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 4>a player and that two guys going head to head

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 4>down the streets and that and one guy makes a

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 4>bomb from fifty feet and you see the other players reaction.

0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.959
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's just it's that slight moment of well, wow,

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 4>how did that just happen? But you never ever saw

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 4>any change in emotion when Tiger was playing with an

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 4>opponent and he chipped in holder shot that because he

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 4>played that out in his mind and that's the way

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 4>he thought. A great way to analyze that was when

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 4>Tiger was playing in the Canadian Opening, and I believe

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 4>that was in two thousand as well. During that street

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 4>he faced that bunker shot from the eighteenth hole out

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 4>of the fairway bunker over the water in that and

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 4>Grant Waite was on the green, so in his mind,

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 4>he Grant's on the green for two, cutting for three.

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 4>In his mind, he's played out that he's making three,

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 4>so I have to hit this ball on the green

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 4>and make no worse than four. So it was his

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:47.360
<v Speaker 4>thinking was absolutely incredible, or not incredible, but different to

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 4>other players.

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Avid, was there anything that like from like the little

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 3>things that stood out to you as somebody who's covered

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 3>the game for so long.

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think, first of all, from a personal standpoint

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 5>kind of like we all have built up Tiger in

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 5>our minds to be this winning robot, and you know,

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 5>he just achieved things that we don't think are humanly possible,

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.359
<v Speaker 5>mentally possible. And he was actually a really caring, kind

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 5>of thoughtful guy behind the scenes. And probably of all

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 5>the players that Steve caddy for, he can recall no

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.960
<v Speaker 5>other player really shaking his hand and saying thank you

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 5>after a round like repetitively four times a week, fifteen

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 5>twenty times a year, and never faulted, you know, just

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 5>by how bad or good he was playing. And the

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 5>second thing was I loved learning about that kind of

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 5>like body language and the dynamics between Steve and Tiger,

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 5>which really.

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Comes through in this book.

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 5>Apart from revealing new anecdotes have never been heard before,

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 5>it's more analyzing Steve twenty years later, like why did

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 5>you guys work? And Steve referenced the famous seven nine

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 5>out of the rough at the six hole Peple Beach.

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 5>But what Steve told me that kind of blew in

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.240
<v Speaker 5>my mind was after about a year together, he realized

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:58.800
<v Speaker 5>that Tiger was a quick player.

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Which would go a long way today's game.

0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 5>And so Steve, that's actually why Steve marched thirty yards

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 5>ahead of I always wanted that as a kid. Go

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 5>was a big fantasy is at Ozzie Key where, you know,

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 5>kind of like an idol, And I was like, why

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 5>why does he walk so far ahead of Tiger? What

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 5>is the reason behind that? And in the book, Steve

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 5>reveals that he was like just trying to get It

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 5>was quite stressful cutting to Tiger, as you can imagine,

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 5>and he just wanted that extra you know, ten to

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 5>fifteen seconds to think and process what Tiger's about to do,

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.320
<v Speaker 5>predict what Tiger's about to do. And just before he

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.879
<v Speaker 5>hit the seven eye and at Pebble Beach, Steve looked

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 5>at He said he would always look at Tiger's eyes

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 5>because that would tell Steve his intent. And he just

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 5>would pick and choose the moments where is it worth

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 5>an argument? Is it not worth an argument? And Tiger

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 5>has just had eyes for the green over the hill.

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 5>Steve knew he was going to try. There was no

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 5>point arguing, so he quickly thought, Okay, well, if that's

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 5>what Steve Tiger's going to do, how do I give

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 5>Tiger the information he needs to execute that shot the

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 5>best visibility? So he looked at the lie and he

0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 5>knew that, all right, it's going to be a seven

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 5>eye to get over the hill. And the fact that

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 5>Steve was so intuitive it kind of like ends the

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 5>argument who's the greatest caddy of all the time. I

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 5>don't know if anyone had better caddy instincts than Steve.

0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, I just to look at Tiger's eye contact

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 5>and he's intent.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Where is he aiming? Is it a fifty to fifty?

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 5>Is he going to lay up? Could he be convinced

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 5>to lay up? And the fact that Steve was onto

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 5>that after less than twelve months together, it blows my mind.

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things that stood out to

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>me was the prep the idea of knowing, Like I

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>think it came through in the Saint Andrews part, where

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.879
<v Speaker 2>like if Tiger's going to ask me where I need

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to hit it, I need to say, without without a

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 2>moment's hesitation, this is where you're going that hill right there,

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 2>if the winds this way, I need to know this

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>is where it's going. And I think that's like, that's

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 2>what you want from a you know, a caddy. Is

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>that confidence that like if.

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 4>You can, if you can answer every question that comes

0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 4>your way with a certain amount of confidence that it's

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 4>very you know, that's confidence building for the player, absolutely,

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 4>and that's what makes good caddy is someone that's incredibly

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:10.879
<v Speaker 4>confident in their ability and and there you know, their

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.719
<v Speaker 4>willingness to put their own cells on the line and that.

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's very easy when you're canting for a

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 4>guy and you're coming down the stretch in a major

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 4>and it's getting very tense in that and the guy says, oh,

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm going to hit this club here, And

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 4>even if in some caves won't agree with that, but

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 4>they'll say yes because in the moment they don't want

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 4>to be wrong either. They don't feel like they want

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 4>to be the reason that at the end of the tornent,

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 4>you could look back and say, well, you know, if

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 4>he had spoken up, that could have cost me the

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.880
<v Speaker 4>torment that. But yeah, just been able to read you

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 4>know type just readers, or like Evan said, just the

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 4>eye contact would tell me. You know, I didn't have

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 4>to ask them. I just looked at his eyes. I mean,

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 4>it was quite a remarkable thing. But once again, you know,

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 4>I go back to you know, the statistics and that

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.479
<v Speaker 4>and I'd write all these things down now, every sort

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 4>of thing. What mood was he in today? How is

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 4>he walking? While he was in that mood? Was he fidgeted?

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Just I wrote so many things down, and that every

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.320
<v Speaker 4>time a situation arose after a period of time, I

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 4>knew exactly how he would react, what he would do,

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 4>and just you know, it's continuation of writing things down.

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Was there a particular player that Tiger would get up

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more for if you guys were around

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.720
<v Speaker 2>the same spot and the leaderboard going in a weekend,

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and what's a good example of that playing out?

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no question of who that person was.

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 4>Left he mister Phil Michers said, there's no player that

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 4>he would get up for more. And look, whilst they

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 4>weren't the gravest of mace, he had unbelievable admiration for

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Phil's game, and he knew competing with Phil at the

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 4>same time, when Phil got over the line and won

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 4>his first major championship, it wasn't going to be the

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:55.320
<v Speaker 4>last one. And if he could be the guy there

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 4>in contention every time when Phil's trying to win one

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 4>of them and possibly prevent him from his first and

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 4>keep that one win as lot away as long as

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 4>he could, you know. So yeah, there was he absolutely

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 4>every time when that you know, when he was playing

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 4>with Phild, there was going to be there was going

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 4>to be the utmost concentration.

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Was there a particular when when Phil was there that

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 2>you think he took the most satisfaction from?

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 4>Well, there were there were surprisingly how few times over

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 4>Tiger's career they were appeared in the last round of

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 4>a major.

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 2>But as as an Ernie fan, I like to point

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that out very often as a big ernie.

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.359
<v Speaker 4>Guy, Yep, yep, absolutely, But look I mean look as

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 4>a as a funny or not a funny thing. But

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.280
<v Speaker 4>Tiger won the Darrell Open, which was the Ford Drell

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 4>Open in two thousand.

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.320
<v Speaker 3>So when you got your car, and.

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 4>You know Ford was a film Phil was with Ford

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:06.760
<v Speaker 4>at the time. And yeah, I had a great pleasure

0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 4>in a bit of a laugh when Tiger gave me

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 4>the keys of that forty g And some time after

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 4>getting delivery of the car, and the next time I

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 4>saw Phil after I've taking delivery of the car, said

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 4>oh Phil, it's no good. You wouldn't have fit in

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 4>it anyway.

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I just had heard that.

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I heard this last week actually and I you know,

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 2>like as the caddy inside the ropes and somebody that

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.879
<v Speaker 2>caddy for other great players. You had to see what

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Tiger's presence did to other players. I heard just last

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>week that during rounds of golf the only time ever

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Ernie Els chewed gum was when he was paired with

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Ernie Els. As someone who was on tour before, did

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:02.799
<v Speaker 2>you is there memories of guys seeing someone just do

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 2>something that you would normally never see just because of

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Tiger's presence.

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, I mean, you know, one of the things

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 4>about becoming such an accompliss player and such a fierce,

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 4>fearless player and a fierce competitor like Jack Nicholas. You know,

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 4>just the mere presence of a guy having his name

0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:27.760
<v Speaker 4>on the leaderboard would make make players you know, Okay,

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 4>here he comes again. It's going to be difficult to

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 4>beat him, and sort of thing. Look, you know, you

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't know and ever would know. And any time you

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 4>go to a tournament and there was a roar and

0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 4>it was for Tiger, it just had a different sound

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 4>to it. And obviously he obviously attracted the biggest galleries.

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 4>But even when you go to somewhere like Augusta and

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 4>there's the same amount of people on every hole watching

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 4>and that. But when he hold apart, the raw was different,

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 4>and that was you know, that was a huge thing

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 4>in your artillery to know that, you know, every player

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 4>on the course knows that's another birdie I've made. That's

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 4>another bird I've made. Here he comes again, you know that.

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 4>But you know, other players, it's very difficult playing with Tiger.

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, he attracts a lot more media, there's a

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 4>lot more people inside the ropes. It was a lot

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 4>more chaotic, but he became so adjusted to it that

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 4>it was just the Norman and there's no player more

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 4>focused than he is. And he didn't even see a

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:27.279
<v Speaker 4>lot of things going on around him, you know. And

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 4>I did my best job as I could, and somewhat,

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 4>I guess, you know, I feel somewhat unfairly got a

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 4>reputation probably that was not you know, Warrenton, But you

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:40.839
<v Speaker 4>know I tried to give him and the people that

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 4>he were playing with, his playing partners, you know, a

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 4>very fair and level playing field. Yeah, if I.

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.400
<v Speaker 5>Could just jump in there to the previous question, I

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 5>think what really stood out to me, which you know,

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 5>like it just glazed over at the time, we didn't

0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 5>realize the significance of the first and second round rings

0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 5>and some of these iconic major wins. That whether Tiger

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 5>was always going to use a slide in any playing part,

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 5>or whether it was just like a Cinderella story that

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 5>was meant to be, it was just destiny. But Tiger

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 5>paired with Valdo in the first two rounds at Hoylake

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 5>after you know, they hadn't spoken for a year because

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:19.480
<v Speaker 5>Faldo criticized his swing. Getting paired with Jack Nicholas at

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 5>Valhalla for the first two rounds and the only time

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 5>ever during a major, and then there was there was

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 5>two thousand and eight getting paired with Phil first time

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 5>the USGA had done the one, two and three in

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 5>the world as the Marquis perring. That couldn't have been

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 5>a better fit for Tiger to use that as a

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:39.239
<v Speaker 5>source of inspiration. And you know, often what was left

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 5>in the end on the Sunday was a difference of

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 5>one or two strokes and steves that describes beautifully in

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 5>the book how maybe one or two of those shots

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 5>had come from the first two rounds. You know, where

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.320
<v Speaker 5>Tiger had had played well in front of Jack Nicholas

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 5>because he had never played in a major with Jack Nicholas,

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.920
<v Speaker 5>or he was about to prove to Nick FOWLO, this

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 5>swing is just fine the way it is. You know

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 5>that he was gifted almost from above these pairings that.

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Helped him get into contention, let alone with you.

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Know, oh, you know, we covered that off very nicely

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 4>in the book, and people will be very amazed to

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.840
<v Speaker 4>think that some of these little things made a huge difference,

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 4>and they did. There's absolutely no question in my mind

0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 4>that some of the pairings given for the first two

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 4>rounds of some of these major championships provided extra motivation.

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:28.239
<v Speaker 4>And like we all know, this is a guy that

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 4>doesn't need any extra motivation and if you're going to

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 4>give him a little X motivation and the explanation point

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:37.399
<v Speaker 4>on that would be Stephen Ames and the World Golf

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 4>Championship match play thing. So that's covered off in the book.

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 4>You give guy, you give someone like him, but a

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 4>little bit of extra motivation. That's not something you need

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 4>to do.

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Is there is there an event that kind of sticks

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 2>with you as the biggest, the biggest missed opportunity. Obviously,

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 2>most most situations you got in you came out on

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the right side of it. Is there one moment it

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 2>could be, even a non obvious one where you kind

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:07.279
<v Speaker 2>of it feels like the one that got away that

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 2>occasionally slips into your thoughts again.

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 4>Yea, look, that's a great question, Andy, But yeah, I

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 4>can honestly tell you, in all my years of canting

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.279
<v Speaker 4>to Tiger, there wasn't one time where I thought, you know,

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 4>he should have came up on top and he didn't.

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean I never felt that amazingly, you know, it

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 4>was incredible. I mean, if you went over a highlight

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 4>reel of all the puts he made on the eighteenth

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:35.319
<v Speaker 4>hole that he needed to make either the win, to tire,

0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 4>whatever it might be. I mean, it was almost freaky

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:41.359
<v Speaker 4>that he hardly ever missed a part on the eighteenth hole.

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:43.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you look at that putty made the presents

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 4>come and south after in the dark to tie the

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 4>President's Cup. I mean, come on, no one's going to

0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 4>make that part and some of those pluts he made

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 4>on the eighteenth pole at bay Hill, you know, to

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 4>win the tournament. I mean there's that one big part

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 4>that he made at bay Hill, that big forty five

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 4>foot of left to right that he made hold out,

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 4>and I believe that was to beat phil On even.

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:09.279
<v Speaker 4>I think that was. But you know that part there

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 4>he wins the tournament bay Hill, incredible part, forty five

0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 4>foot part with about six to eight feet to break

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 4>left to right, incredible part the hole. Immediately following the

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 4>presentation at Bayhill, he lived at Ireworth, ten minutes down

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:25.840
<v Speaker 4>the road. He went back there and he hit like

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 4>two hundred five irons, so I think it was one

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 4>hundred and eighty. I counted because he hit a five

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 4>iron for a second shot and he hated the way

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.080
<v Speaker 4>he hit that shot and where he left the board.

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.320
<v Speaker 4>He went home to Ireworth and we Australia in the

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 4>range and I'm pretty sure I counted it was one

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 4>hundred and eighty five lines he hit because he just

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 4>he wasn't going to go to bed on the thought

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.320
<v Speaker 4>that the last swing that I made today was ratchet.

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to have

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:49.360
<v Speaker 4>as many five eyes I can because I can replicate

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 4>the shot. I mean, which player in the world would

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:54.280
<v Speaker 4>do that, none other than Tiger Woods.

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 5>Steve does describe in the book like a few final rounds,

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.400
<v Speaker 5>not necessarily shots but fine rounds that got away. And

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 5>if we're thinking about that obsession to Egal or beat

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 5>Jack Nicholas's record, you obviously think about three major championships,

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:10.160
<v Speaker 5>and you know two of those were at Hale's team

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:12.239
<v Speaker 5>where Tiger just didn't have his best stuff in the

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 5>final round I think against Rich beaming Birdie the Last

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 5>Boar and told Steve he was going to Birdie the.

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Last war but it was just wasn't good enough.

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 5>Pinehurst in two thousand and five, it was a pretty

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 5>pivotal moment where Tiger hit a really shitty pitchhot on.

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 5>I believe it was the sixteenth hole, and he could

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 5>have really put some pressure on Michael Campbell at the time,

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.720
<v Speaker 5>but didn't. And then Oakmont in two thousand and seven, Steve,

0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:35.240
<v Speaker 5>you sort of told me those were the final rounds

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 5>that got away from him and the ones where there

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 5>was maybe if you had just played as good as

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:41.160
<v Speaker 5>you know he was capable of, we could be sitting

0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:43.359
<v Speaker 5>here saying that they're equal on eighteen majors each.

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like there's always going to be those tournaments, and

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:50.359
<v Speaker 4>it's not like in those tournaments that you know there are,

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 4>there's probably three of them that got away from him,

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 4>but not got away, but ones he certainly felt he

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 4>could have, you know, either got him to a playoff

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 4>or one of those three that we mentioned. There was

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.799
<v Speaker 4>only one where at Pineus where we actually hit a

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.439
<v Speaker 4>poor shot. They were they were there were some opportunities

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 4>like at Oakmon't there you know, you can drive it

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.720
<v Speaker 4>on that seventeenth hole there. And you know on Sunday

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 4>going head to head with Cabera that you know, you

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 4>obviously needed to put the ball in a position there

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:20.120
<v Speaker 4>where where if you didn't drive it on the green

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 4>you could get it up and down. He didn't. But

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 4>they weren't you know, poor shots or they weren't likely.

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:26.120
<v Speaker 4>You know that there was never I never came off

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 4>the golf because and say, man, that was you know,

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 4>a golden opportunity to loss. He gave that one away,

0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:33.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, he never gave it away. He was like, oh,

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, either beaten by someone down the stretch or

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:37.920
<v Speaker 4>just didn't execute some of the shots, you know, as

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:39.920
<v Speaker 4>good as good as you'd hope. But you know I

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 4>never walked off a major championships. Well that you know,

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 4>we should have won that. I mean, yeah, I think

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:46.400
<v Speaker 4>you could have. But there's a big difference you could

0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 4>have and should.

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Have right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious if you've ever thought about how catting

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:57.200
<v Speaker 2>would be in this generation for tiger like Tiger Mania,

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 2>in this generation with the cell phones, Like, how much

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>harder has it become for a caddy? I mean, I

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 2>know you occasionally your moonlight is a caddy. Now, how

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 2>much harder is it with the phones then it was,

0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:12.080
<v Speaker 2>you know years ago with the cameras in the Hoopla

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:13.560
<v Speaker 2>that was presented.

0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 4>That well, I mean, you know, there's been a lot

0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:20.240
<v Speaker 4>of talk about the art of cadding. You know, it

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 4>has been greatly diminished because caddies used to used to

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 4>have to compile yardage books on their own and so

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 4>forth and that. But everything's given to you now and

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.360
<v Speaker 4>then all the players have the access to shot link

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 4>and to track man and all this so that they

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.720
<v Speaker 4>know how farther ball goes. I mean, so the actual

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 4>skill of a caddy has been greatly diminished. And as

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 4>far as you know, cadding these days compared to you know,

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 4>with the say of the Tiger Mania was now, well,

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:53.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, it would be an extraordinary difficult task, you know,

0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.280
<v Speaker 4>to give them the way you know, golf's evolved in

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 4>the last you know, ten to fifteen years where there's

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 4>a lot more younger people attend golf tourments. And now

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 4>you go back twenty years ago and look at the galleries.

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 4>You know, well, prior to Tiger coming into the game,

0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, the galleries were you know, an older generation

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 4>and a more quiet reserve sort of scene. But you know,

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.800
<v Speaker 4>you bring players into the game like you know, John Day,

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Tiger Woods, Bryce and to Shamba who bring a whole

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 4>different follow into the game. And I think it's great.

0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:29.520
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, whether it be whether you attend

0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 4>a baseball game or golf tournent, that you want some

0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 4>kind of atmosphere and some excitement, and the younger generation

0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 4>bring the excitement and okay, it might get a bit

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.200
<v Speaker 4>loud and now of control sometimes, but you know that's exciting.

0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 4>It brings a bit of enthusiasm and pumps up the

0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 4>torn I think it's great.

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Last question, I want to be conscious of your time here.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there something when you look back that you miss

0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 2>about catting for Tiger Woods?

0:59:56.600 --> 1:00:01.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I mean you know that the pasting an ultimate

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<v Speaker 4>goal gave you something to get up every day and

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<v Speaker 4>be motivated to, you know, and every time Tiger took

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<v Speaker 4>one of those steps, it was just one step up

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<v Speaker 4>the ladder, one more, one more wrung up the ladder,

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get to perhaps break Jack's record of eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>majors and get to nineteen. So you know, every time

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<v Speaker 4>when you got on a plane, there was you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there was a purpose. Everything was a purpose. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when that dream was sort of shattered, something that you'd

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<v Speaker 4>something you dreamt about, or put it this way that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I envisioned that moment when Tiger got to

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen majors and nine and then eclipse jack record of

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen majors. I could picture that in my head clearly.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought about every day. Wasn't a day go by

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<v Speaker 4>what I didn't think about that, whether it was winning

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 4>majors not winning them. I fully believed in my mind

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<v Speaker 4>that he would get to that record and it was

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<v Speaker 4>going to be not only, you know, arguably the greatest

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<v Speaker 4>moment in golf, but probably one of the greatest moments

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<v Speaker 4>in sports to eclipse a record that no one would

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<v Speaker 4>ever going to break. And it's a shame that it

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<v Speaker 4>got derailed because I don't think anyone's ever going to be.

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<v Speaker 4>We're never going to talk about another player that caposso

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<v Speaker 4>break Jacks record. It's just too difficult now. And you

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<v Speaker 4>know there's this you know, not that there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of great players when Tiger was playing, but through

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<v Speaker 4>the modernization of equipment and so forth in the way

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<v Speaker 4>everything is, the players have just got better and better

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<v Speaker 4>and more confident because the equipment's allowed them get more confident,

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<v Speaker 4>they hit the ball further, and it's just a whole

1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:34.720
<v Speaker 4>different ballgame. You know. I grew up getting in the

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<v Speaker 4>late seventies and eighties and just absolutely marveled at players

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<v Speaker 4>like Gary Player and Lee Trevino how they got around

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<v Speaker 4>a golf course. When I got the opportunity to get

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<v Speaker 4>paired with Lee Trevino and watch him play, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he's an absolute legend. Now he must sit back now

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<v Speaker 4>and watch and just think, well, that's not even the

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<v Speaker 4>same gay. You know, I'm one of the best players ever,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not even the same game they play, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not so Yeah, I think we looking for Tiger. In

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<v Speaker 4>the air that Tiger played, not only was it fun,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was very satisfying. In the air that they played.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, if he had to come along. Now, the

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:12.840
<v Speaker 4>same guy came along now hit the ball equally as

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<v Speaker 4>far and compared to his competitors, you know, it might

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<v Speaker 4>might not have been as exciting as it was back then.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, he left a great stamp on the game,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know he enabled the game to grow, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a huge thing to be able to say you've

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<v Speaker 4>been able to do and for me to be part

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<v Speaker 4>of that and say it was pretty special.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, I said last question, but I got to

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<v Speaker 2>ask one of the things I've always wondered about is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if technology didn't didn't advance, where would Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten to Can you talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>what happened with technology and his peers and did they

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<v Speaker 2>diminish anything, did it amplify anything about Tiger? And did

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<v Speaker 2>it diminish any of his advances.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great question, Andy. I mean, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like the continue improvement and equipment probably hurt, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like it took away some of his advantage. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>for sure, the guys that were incredibly schooled at being

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<v Speaker 4>able to move the ball, to be able to shape

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<v Speaker 4>the ball. You know, Tiger played you know, like one

1:03:25.440 --> 1:03:30.000
<v Speaker 4>of the two the biggest common thing between Jack Nicholas

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<v Speaker 4>and Tiger Woods, the two greatest players have ever played

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<v Speaker 4>the game, is that they when they looked at a shot,

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<v Speaker 4>they played the shot as it's supposed to be played.

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<v Speaker 4>If the pinners on the back right side of the green,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to booth the ball and left to right.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's on the left side of the green, they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to move the ball and right to left. If

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<v Speaker 4>it requires a tiger hit every shot the way it

1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:51.320
<v Speaker 4>was supposed to be hit and played. The golf course

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<v Speaker 4>of like was supposed to be playing, and that's what

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<v Speaker 4>made it easy to dissect the course. But with the

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<v Speaker 4>advent of the of the golf ball and the equipment

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<v Speaker 4>became more difficult to be able to shake the ball.

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<v Speaker 4>And guys don't even need to shake the ball now

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<v Speaker 4>even when it's you know, the balls are so good

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<v Speaker 4>in the wind. They just stand up and they just

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<v Speaker 4>blasted and they go straight. I mean, you look at

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<v Speaker 4>how high some of these guys hit it in the wind,

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<v Speaker 4>and you think, how can you kin have control over

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<v Speaker 4>the ball hitting that high in the wind. But the

1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:18.680
<v Speaker 4>equipment's just made it so good. So as he went

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<v Speaker 4>along and as the improvement in the equipment came along,

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<v Speaker 4>it took away some of as advartas no two ways

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<v Speaker 4>about it. Would you agree with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Evan, Oh, yeah, absolutely, I think I think you actually

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<v Speaker 5>raised this maybe. I mean, going back to what Andy said,

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<v Speaker 5>one of my favorite stories that didn't make the book

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<v Speaker 5>was I don't think we had room for the time

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<v Speaker 5>that you said. Sergio was probably one of the most

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest victims of modern equipment. He came out ninety

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<v Speaker 5>nine swing and obviously challenged Tiger at Madona, could work

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<v Speaker 5>the ball in ways that weren't imaginable, and all of

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<v Speaker 5>a sudden, you know that the ball was going so

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<v Speaker 5>much straighter, the equipment was so much more forgiving and

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<v Speaker 5>shot making that there was less of a sort of

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<v Speaker 5>owners on that. And Steve, you said that Sergio might

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<v Speaker 5>have won more than one or multiple majors had the

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<v Speaker 5>equipment not advanced to the point where he lost a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of his balls striking advantage.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I no question about it. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he obviously modeled himself around Savriana Bellistaos, and he was

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<v Speaker 4>able to move the ball left to right, right. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>he was a shot maker, and you know he's a

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<v Speaker 4>guy that the equipment absolutely hurt. I mean, if the

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<v Speaker 4>equipment hadn't made such traumatic changes through you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>two thousand era, the twentieth century, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he would absolutely I believe he would have had a

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<v Speaker 4>better major Telly than he has currently.

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<v Speaker 2>There's Adam Scott quote, another guy that you carry for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago, where he was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>modern strategy and he was like, I'm still trying to

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<v Speaker 2>sort out this idea of me just hitting a driver

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<v Speaker 2>as hard as I can is the best strategy on

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<v Speaker 2>most holes. And if it's in the rough or if

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the fairway, it doesn't it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just think about, you know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>an old person. I'm thirty eight, but I think about

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<v Speaker 2>when I grew up with a smaller head and the

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<v Speaker 2>wound balls.

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<v Speaker 3>How much more it was just you had to hit

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<v Speaker 3>the ball in the sweet spot.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I mean, you know, I look back for

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<v Speaker 4>the very first time I came in a professional toron

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<v Speaker 4>for Peter Thompson, you know, the great Australian player that was.

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<v Speaker 2>That was your first first professional termament UK for Peter Thompson.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, nineteen seventy six and when I think back in

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<v Speaker 4>the way he played golf and the way he moved

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<v Speaker 4>the ball around a golf course to what it does now,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not the same game. There's no question. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>the same game. So, you know, the modernization of the

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<v Speaker 4>equipment and so forth, it's just and that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys just they stand up on every team and they

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<v Speaker 4>just hit it as far. Not every hole, but for

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<v Speaker 4>the most part, they hit it as hard and as

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<v Speaker 4>far as they can. And you know, you look, you

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<v Speaker 4>look at a course like Saint Andrews, it's an absolute architecture.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's as good as a guess. But last

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<v Speaker 4>year at the Dunhill Links tourn on the last day,

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<v Speaker 4>if you didn't shoot sixty six you lost places. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years ago, to shoot sixty six round there was

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<v Speaker 4>unbelievable because you know every bunk isn't play. But now

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<v Speaker 4>you know nine percent of the bunkers don't even play.

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<v Speaker 4>The guys go over them. You know, the course is

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<v Speaker 4>just so short by modern standards. It's truly a shame

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<v Speaker 4>how the game has got to where it is where

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of these absolute masterpieces of golf course architecture

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<v Speaker 4>are no longer relevant because of the distance of guys

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<v Speaker 4>at the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, it was what I was reading.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember which tournament it was that Tiger averaged

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<v Speaker 2>like three to eleven off the tee that you guys

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. I was like three eleven in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think that was probably ahead of everybody else,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, now it's like middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was Madonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nine, it's it was an awesome read as someone

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<v Speaker 2>who came of a it like came my golf love

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<v Speaker 2>was wrapped up so much in so many of these tournaments,

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<v Speaker 2>like where I've developed my love of golf. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>recommend the book enough. Congratulations guys. That was a fun,

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<v Speaker 2>fun read and it's amazing to see the stories. And

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for joining the show to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Thanks Andy, thanks for having a song. We're delighted

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<v Speaker 4>to be on the show. And yeah, great pleasure to

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<v Speaker 4>be honor.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, big fans of the podcast, so it was an

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<v Speaker 5>honor to be on and thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You for the kind words about in the book.

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<v Speaker 5>It really is kind of like a good time to

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<v Speaker 5>reflect on Tiger at the moment, and if I may

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<v Speaker 5>say so myself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, I agree, it's a really fun read. So

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<v Speaker 1>to just taking Steve stories.

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<v Speaker 5>And package them for the golf world, for the sporting world,

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<v Speaker 5>it's it was a lot of fun to write and

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<v Speaker 5>and I hope it's as much fun for all the

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<v Speaker 5>readers out there to be government read.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, thanks again for listening to another edition of

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<v Speaker 2>the Friday Golf Podcast. We will be back next week,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said at the top, with some master's content.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do something on augusta National I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>start gathering guests for that. Big thanks to PJ Clark

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<v Speaker 2>for editing and producing this podcast. Sorry PJ for the Johnnies,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will be back next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks everybody for listening.