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Speaker 1: Shannon Gross, Well, this is definitely Cowboys Crosstalk. I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: not Shannon Gross, but it's twenty twenty one and we

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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, Dallas, Cowboys dot Com. I'll be filling in

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Speaker 1: this week for Shannon. He'll be back next week. But man,

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Speaker 1: I've got a big crew here tonight. We got Heaven

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Speaker 1: Gray from the fan, been here a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk a little bit about the irony there

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Speaker 1: of me interviewing you tonight. There's right, um, everybody, every

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Speaker 1: quarterback's best friend here is uh with me? Right here?

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Speaker 1: Nate Newton always there, always in this yes, yes, alright, family, family, environment,

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Speaker 1: family shows herself, Big Nate always uh. And to his

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Speaker 1: right there and our guest for to night is Timmy Newsom,

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Speaker 1: former Cowboys. I'm gonna say running back, because you did

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Speaker 1: it all. I mean you you did a little bit

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Speaker 1: of everything. And I was talking to some guys today

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Speaker 1: and talk to Brad Sham a lot today, and um,

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Speaker 1: the first word he said was versatile. He was a

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Speaker 1: fullback of running back and tailback and half back, any

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Speaker 1: kind of back. He was the guy Timmy Newsom played

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Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty eight, so played basically

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Speaker 1: the entire decade. Tell us what you're what you're doing

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Speaker 1: now and and you know, just we're just happy to

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Speaker 1: have you here. Well, I'm in the technology business. I'm

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Speaker 1: celebrating my thirtieth year uh in business. So I'm having

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Speaker 1: fun doing that. We sell bolsover app telephone systems and

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Speaker 1: software with that goes with that. So I'm having a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun and paycheck. Yeah if you still I mean,

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Speaker 1: once a cowboy, always account yea. So tell us about

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Speaker 1: how you know you've been watching this team. Everybody's having

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Speaker 1: fun watching the Cowboys this year. But what's it been

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Speaker 1: like for you to kind of, uh, you know, get

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Speaker 1: a look at this team. Well, I'm uniquely surprised at

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Speaker 1: the defense because they are the polar opposite of what

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Speaker 1: they were last year, and the way that they've been

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Speaker 1: able to turn things around and play at a high

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Speaker 1: level is really refreshing. All right, let's go, let's go

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Speaker 1: start back here. Let's Kevinal, We'll talk with you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're you're the host of you this morning. You're the

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Speaker 1: host of a couple shows of Sean and RJ. Doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of filling in this week. Tell us what

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Speaker 1: your thoughts are about this team, big game coming up

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Speaker 1: against Arizona. Just in a nutshell, what are you? What

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Speaker 1: are you thinking about the Cowboys? You think that this

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Speaker 1: is a huge test for them, even though they won

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Speaker 1: four to row. Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals, you know, lost

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Speaker 1: time they're inside the ANT and T Stadium came down

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Speaker 1: here and embarrassed us on Monday Night football. So looking

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Speaker 1: for a little bit of a revenge game for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys when they welcome in Kyler Murray, who of course

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Speaker 1: is very well known in these parts as a former

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Though. This defense is fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: You know, fourteen takeaways in the last four games, and

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Speaker 1: offensively it doesn't get much better than drop at forty

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Speaker 1: to build on what they didn't gets watched in on

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Speaker 1: Sunday night football, Big Nate, you were just now put

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Speaker 1: away the iPad. You were watching the Cardinals. They're always

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Speaker 1: studying always what do they look like to you? And

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Speaker 1: I mean they've been they've been bad here the last month.

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Speaker 1: That's trying to find themselves. It seemed like every good

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Speaker 1: It's like they are bad play. They are a bad

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Speaker 1: And that's what they have to be able to do. Nate.

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Speaker 1: a statement game because they are in the playoffs even

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Speaker 1: though they struggled. You know what, Nick, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people the Cowboys have done with it's necessary to win

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Speaker 1: to get to this point. Okay, they haven't played a

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Speaker 1: to have some confidence and what we're facing as a

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Speaker 1: team and the Chandeler Jones layed a team deven. We're

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Speaker 1: facing the team now, okay, we're on equal footing. This

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Speaker 1: team is desperate, the cognis So what we have to

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Speaker 1: Your athletes go hand in hand with their athletes. Their

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Speaker 1: defense is no better than the offense and vice versas.

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Speaker 1: Go out and playing. Go out and show the world

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Speaker 1: who you are. And that's that's the next step for

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Speaker 1: lot of the guys today were talking some of the

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Speaker 1: because the Cowboys have a lot of play for when

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Speaker 1: it comes to a number one seed, you know, in

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Speaker 1: of points. They've struggled of late. They have an agenda

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be desperate. Nah, Is it causing? Because if

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Speaker 1: So our defensive alignment, they're averaging thirty no more than

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Speaker 1: and it will rise to the top. If timmy A

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Speaker 1: lot of people people have talked about Micah Parsons and

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Speaker 1: better athlete than what Lawrence Taylor was at this stage

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Speaker 1: He recognizes what the offense is doing extremely well. Lawrence

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Speaker 1: Taylor was a pass rusher period, he could get after

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Speaker 1: Parsons is on another level across the board. And that's

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes him so special. Man. I tell

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Speaker 1: They were like, compare him to Derek Thomas if you

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Speaker 1: they should play him and all that. There's guys that

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Speaker 1: aggressive and trying to upgrade their profile in some ways.

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Speaker 1: And this is a great opportunity for both of those

429
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Speaker 1: as to do that. And I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: something that's going to become a trend. Yeah. And now

431
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson taking over at Grambling State, that's well now, yeah, yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. It kind of reminds me

433
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Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, back back in the

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Speaker 1: nineties when Tiger Woods was playing you know, golf, and

435
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Speaker 1: right and every all the attention was on was on Tiger,

436
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: and I know some of the golfers were like, you know,

437
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: maybe annoyed by it, but what was happening was the

438
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: entire sport was raising. And so and now these other

439
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: schools that are getting to face Jackson State and Don

440
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: Senators and maybe they don't get the line light right

441
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: off the bat. They're still on ESPN or ESPN two

442
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's it's building a little bit of everything.

443
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: The momentum is rolling, man, and uh I was with

444
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: Dan through that process. Man. And he went up the

445
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Speaker 1: Arkansas and he went up to Florida State and and

446
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, see when you that big and got that

447
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: throwing it, people gonna come to you behind the closed

448
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: doors and say this is why they don't want you,

449
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: this is why they And so he kept coming back

450
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Speaker 1: to you know what he's black, We understand and who

451
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: he is, but at this time, no, at this time no,

452
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: and all right, and so everybody used the experience, everybody

453
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: used this, this and this, and it was because who

454
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Speaker 1: he was and what he was, he got in the door.

455
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: But the skin color kept him out. Special man in Arkansas,

456
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Speaker 1: he kept him out. And he probably don't say Nate

457
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: don't you know. I know I told you this some problem,

458
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you that's what kept him out. And

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00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: so he told me, so, I'm about to go to

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Speaker 1: Jackson State. He told me, he's two two and a

461
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: half years ago, and I'm about to go to Jackson

462
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: State and I'm about to show these people who I am.

463
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Speaker 1: And then maybe after two or three years at Jackson

464
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Speaker 1: State and he was talking. He wasn't even hold on, bro,

465
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: You're talking like you're gonna get hired. And that was

466
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: two years before. Yeah, and when he had he called

467
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: me a year later after them say okay, the Jackson

468
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: State deal his own. He sounding to make it happy

469
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: where we set. Yeah, now I got the number one recruit,

470
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, you know, decided to go from state to

471
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Speaker 1: until I saw to send back the playbook that he left.

472
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm mistaken they use. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's my team.

473
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: You know. I think they got quiet. Yeah, I know,

474
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: but I wanted I wanted him to know further. I

475
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: know what. I just wanted you to know this. But

476
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just over here. I was like,

477
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: are you sure. It just wasn't the thing about it

478
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: when he told me that I was so hurt. I

479
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: was so hurt because I'm thinking, I'm thinking Arkansas and

480
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Florida State and the other universities that you wanted somebody

481
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: that can help you win. And and and I know

482
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: Nick good Man, I know I know other white men

483
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: that are great men that have treated me more than fair.

484
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wow, this still this still bubbling. Huh,

485
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: you know this, this this, this shouldn't be what you

486
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: What you should want is a winning attitude and a

487
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: winning coach, regardless of the skin color. And so and

488
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: I sat on that for two or three years, and

489
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, man, why would you be in that way?

490
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: Why would you why would you not want to win?

491
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: I just let me point out that one of the

492
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: greatest coaches in the history of college basketballs Nolan Richards said,

493
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: and they loved him up there, So I thank you.

494
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a Dionce time, but it will be.

495
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk a little bit though, more about

496
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: getting to the NFL, right, uh. In nineteen eighty and

497
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: in your case eighty three, I believe was it was

498
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: it much tougher than now. I mean, there were the

499
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: HBCU games weren't on TV. Well, it wasn't It wasn't

500
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: um In those days. There were a lot of great

501
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: athletes that were playing in at HBCUs because they were

502
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: still being looked over by your historically white institutions. And

503
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: so when I arrived at Winston Seldom State University, we

504
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: had about six or seven guys that could have played

505
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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Doing that period, we had

506
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: about five guys get drafted, and so there was a

507
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: lot of talent there, and the pro scouts came around

508
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: and saw that talent. So we got guys that got

509
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: drafted and played in the National Football League. Uh. At

510
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: that time, I was the only one that really stuck.

511
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: And so when I got to Dallas, I just realized

512
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: that if I'm going to set a trend, it might

513
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: as well be at that moment, in this time and

514
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, and so that's what I was able

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Speaker 1: to do. All Right, Well, we're gonna take another quick

516
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: break here, Nick, I don't think it was We're just

517
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: gonna take a break. It's just a break. We got

518
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: three of them. We're gonna take a break. No, No,

519
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine, even though you're wrong. But we

520
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: can talk about moral victories if you want to. I

521
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: don't believe it. Yeah, it's joke. We can take that outside.

522
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take another break. Here'll be right back.

523
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk more about this

524
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys team. Where it's gonna take to get to twelve wins.

525
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: It sounds so weird, but still it's twelve. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back here on Cowboys Cross Talk. Don't the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Cross Talk checked broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club at

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Speaker 1: here from Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Kevin gret Nate Newton,

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Speaker 1: and our guest tonight is Timmy Newsome. And Timmy we

534
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: talked a little bit on spils Water here. Talked a

535
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: little bit about you with Tom Landry coaching, you know,

536
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: with him as a legendary coach, playing under him for

537
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: your entire career, and what were some I always wanted

538
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: to know this from other people's perspective. One of my

539
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: favorite cowboy memories, A lot of people's memory Tony Dorset

540
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: ninety nine yard touchdown, ten men on the field. You

541
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: weren't the guy though that went off though, right, no, no, no,

542
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: But I was the one that calls him to run

543
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: the ninety nine yards. Talk about it. I was back

544
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: deep as a receiver trying to catch the football on

545
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: the on the kickoff return, and the ball is coming

546
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: at me and it's like a knuckleball, and I'm reading

547
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: the Pete Roselle on the football, and I'm trying to

548
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: decide if I should let the football go or try

549
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: to catch it and then continue running, because um, if

550
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: I let it go, then it's twenty yards and we

551
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: line up and start. So I had to try to

552
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: outside to try to catch it, and as soon as

553
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: I went and put my hands out, it dipped and

554
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: it hit my fingertips and the ball just rolled on

555
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: the one inch line out of bounds, and that's how

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00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: it got down there so close. So then we have

557
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: a two formations that we can run out of what

558
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: doors set scored on. We have a jayhawk formation and

559
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: we have an I amation. Ron was supposed to stay

560
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: in and run the play. But for some reason they

561
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: called jay hawk as Dorset was running on the field,

562
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: which meant Ron comes off. Well, the other tight end

563
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: did not hear the jay hawk part, and so Dorset

564
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: is on the field by himself. And that's how ten

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00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: men actually stayed on the field. Wow. So when when

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry of the Titans went ninety nine yards for

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00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: a touchdown, it was with eleven guys. I mean, I

568
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: don't really suppressed they were in sync. And then yeah,

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00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: and if they do it by inches Dorset, it's still longer.

570
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: Still it was that close. Yeah, I'll never forget that.

571
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: I woke up Monday night football. I woke up and

572
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: I remember, as a young kid, I asked my mom,

573
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: did did we did we win? Did we win? She

574
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: says no, no, but Tony Dorset, you know, And I

575
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: was like, I still didn't understand what the butt was,

576
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: like what they lost, you know, but I kind of

577
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I get it now. But yeah, that's cool that you

578
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: you remember. I was gonna ask you you remember, but

579
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: the play, like like the actual play calls and the

580
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: huddle just like it was yesterday. I mean, how can

581
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: you forget something like that when you you know, really

582
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: muff the ball on the one inch line. Yeah, no,

583
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: let's just say you set them up. I'm talking about

584
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: in the huddle. Danny White comes in the huddle, names

585
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: out to play, like can you still hear today? Like

586
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: give me a play, give me give me example of something,

587
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: especially something that's going to you. Okay, uh I right,

588
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: slant thirty three wing slot zen, We'll see. That's amazing.

589
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: Nowadays he's not those spider two why banana, that's that's

590
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: not none of that right now. Nowadays they got all

591
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: these other things. But but it's really they're they're just

592
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: just codes for really what that is. Well, it's interesting

593
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: because and most of the systems I was in, the

594
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: three number represents the four back. Yeah, and so it's

595
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: pretty easy. Two and four always represents the tailback, and

596
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: so I just never forgot it. Yeah you mean yeah,

597
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: give me the protection and who I was. That's why

598
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: I was right. I thank God when we had Jim

599
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Murkinbeck come in because he said, coach, he said, I

600
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: can't learn your run system. He told we're gonna simplify this.

601
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Thank you, God is God, because I would have never

602
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: played if it took that. They had guys from Harvard.

603
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: This guy here was a smart guy. I mean every

604
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: guy I tried to do the history only guy. Yeah,

605
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: every guy was an intelligent guy except me? How did

606
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I get here? I should go back to the Ridskins?

607
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: Very simple. We needed you hear though, We needed to

608
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: hear that. We need to hear, did y'all? I mean

609
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: obviously a cross past. I mean you played. I guess

610
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: I played three years together, eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight.

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00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: What you have any memories or you remember? You know

612
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Nate coming in there? They knew I went away right,

613
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: whether ahead way? I thought you should winning way. I

614
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: was like, well he was our first plus three hundred pounds, lineman,

615
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: thank you. He was the very first kitchen. And they

616
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: did everything possible to get him under three hundred pounds

617
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: until they saw him play, and then they said, oh

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00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: well what the heck? Yeah, thank you. Got later on

619
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: they were fine with threat bad guys all over the place,

620
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, yeah, but he was our first one.

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Speaker 1: So and you were there, like when did the kitchen

622
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: come out? When did the name? I know it was

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Speaker 1: the first not Buck eighty five, eighty six years eighty

624
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: five Buck, but not Buck, but not Buck Buchanan but

625
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: his assistant named me the kitchen Jerry. Jerry Fowler say, man,

626
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: that's when I first got off the plane and they

627
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: saw me. The dude with the sand didn't want to

628
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: believe it was me. You know that, Cowboys, I'm Nate.

629
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: So when I was talking today, I was talking today

630
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: with Cowboys radio announcer Bradsham, who's been around forever, and

631
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: he was telling me some things about you. But one

632
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: of his favorite stories about Herschel Walker getting here was

633
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: that when when Tex Shram went up to the offensive

634
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: coordinator Phil Hackett and said he had this whole thing

635
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: designed of what the offense was going to be, and

636
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Herschel just shows up and

637
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: he says, I want texts told him I want Herschel

638
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and Tony to be on the field together. And Phil

639
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: Hackett said, well that's great. Who's gonna block? And he

640
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: said that's your problem? So we laughed, and I said,

641
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: did that become timmy Newson's problem? I mean, what, how

642
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: did that work out when Tony and Herschel were together?

643
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: Did that's interesting? I went to coach Landry. I said, Coach,

644
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Speaker 1: I just want one question that I need to ask you,

645
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Speaker 1: are you gonna give it to him or is he

646
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to earn it? And he looked and smiled

647
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: and he says, what, Timmy, Naturally he's going to play

648
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Speaker 1: some fullback, he's gonna play some tailback. He's gonna play

649
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Speaker 1: some wild receiver. He's gonna be all over the place,

650
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Speaker 1: he said. So we're just going to see how it goes.

651
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Speaker 1: He said, But Herschel's not a full back. Herschel is

652
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Speaker 1: a tailback. That's what he does, and that's what he

653
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Speaker 1: spent his time in college doing. He says, So, I

654
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Speaker 1: don't think you have anything to worry about now. Having

655
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: said that, about six games into the before the season

656
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: was over, he calls me into his office as he says, well,

657
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Speaker 1: we're gonna start Herschel at fullback. Really, oh wow, I

658
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: thought I didn't have any to worry about. Did he

659
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: or did he take it or is that seah? No, no, no,

660
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: they gave that to him. Yeah, he didn't hear it.

661
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: They gave it to him, so he didn't do like

662
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: he was taught to run through the block. But this

663
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: is what was interesting. So later in the year, Herschel

664
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Speaker 1: and I were in the meeting together, and uh, it

665
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: was just the two of us, he says, Timmy, they

666
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: won't need to play back. He said, I'm not going

667
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: to play fullback. I didn't come in this league to block,

668
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: he said, I came in this league to run. I said, really, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: he said, So if they expect me to play fullback

670
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: full time, that's not going to happen. And I said

671
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: to myself, I think I'm gonna play a few more years.

672
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: You said, job security. Wow, Kevin. When what is your

673
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: earliest memories? I asked you before the show. I was like,

674
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: what is your team? What is your die hard team?

675
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: And you're like this one, yes team? Yeah, So what

676
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: are some of your like memories or whatever? How long

677
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: does it kind of go back for you? I'm a

678
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: third generation Dallas Cowboy fan. Um, I was telling you

679
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: guys earlier. My great uncle Willie Town's played for the Cowboys,

680
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: playing under Tom Landry was a starter in the Ice Bowl.

681
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: So this is this runs. When you cut me open,

682
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: you'll get some blue and silver running out of my veins.

683
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: But you know, my earliest memories are you know, I'm

684
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: an eighties baby, So the nineties for me were everything

685
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: watching Nate Newton and you know two and A and

686
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: you know the Mack truck holes that they were opening

687
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: for Emmett Smith and watching you know, Troy and Michael

688
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: do their thing. Those were the days for me. So

689
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: watching Thanksgiving days games with my dad and you know,

690
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: being able to watch and see the Cowboys play. It

691
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: was always always fun for me. So I felt like

692
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: I got the glory years at least for you know,

693
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys teams that I love to watch it. Watching

694
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: guys like him play was just a joy for me.

695
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: So my earliest memories were for sure, you know the

696
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: leon Lett game, you know the blowout of the Cowboys,

697
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, blowing out the Bills in the Super Bowl.

698
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: Those are my most vivid memories, My earliest vivid memories

699
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: of the play Wait, that's the leon Let game because

700
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I thought, well, yeah, Ice Bowl or the Ice Game

701
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: and my oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that one too.

702
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: But you know, um, is it weird Timmy and the

703
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: Nate both Field because you know those teams he's talking about,

704
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: you were you were starting on you guys didn't miss

705
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs for like twenty years. Is it weird? I remember? Yeah,

706
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: this was my growing up these fans are you know,

707
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: it's been twenty five years since they made it to

708
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and it's been twenty five years since

709
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: it meant to the championship game? Right, How foreign is

710
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: that to you when when that's what the Cowboys did well,

711
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: it's very foreign. If someone had set and told me

712
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: that after nineteen ninety five the Cowboys would not even

713
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: so much as smell in the NFC title Game, I

714
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: would have never believed it because I felt like at

715
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: least half of those teams since ninety five were capable

716
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: of going to a Super Bowl and winning. And why

717
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened is a lot of factors. Parody is,

718
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: but also, you know, Nate, what's discipline. Discipline and in

719
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: the culture of what you're doing has to be consistent.

720
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: It has to be you know, even a bad coach,

721
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: if you keep them long enough, get you on a

722
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: winning track. And then the way were changing coaches, especially

723
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: exchanging position coaches, and then you can't do that. You

724
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: have to get a system in place, and you have

725
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: to believe in that system. And that's what we haven't

726
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: had around here in twenty five years. Ask you though,

727
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you had a head coach here that was

728
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: there for nine years and Jason Garrett. Now that they

729
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: might have changed. I'm an assistance to the hefty. Yeah,

730
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, that's how about. That's wow.

731
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: It came out with maybe and and and I always

732
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: say this because y'all know I'm about mister Jones. That's

733
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: that's what helped save my life here. But I will

734
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: always say this right here. It has to be the

735
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: head coach where now you you can, you can part

736
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: of your Hey, we all together, but one of us

737
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: got to be the leader, and we got to have

738
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: a we got to have a belief system in place.

739
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: Whether players can see it and believe it. So and

740
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: I believe that coach Landry gave us that. Coach Johnson

741
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: gave us that, you know, and and and and whether

742
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: McCarthy is that or not, he's given that perception. I coach,

743
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm the head coach. I give it to my assistance.

744
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean I give it to my coordinators. My coordinators

745
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: give it to and the players have it. Now that's

746
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: a new NFL. I understand that where you can't you know,

747
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: you can't be so hard on players. But you can't,

748
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be able to, you know,

749
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: cuddle them a little bit. I understand it's a new NFL,

750
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: but you have to steal a head coach. How do

751
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: you have to have some belief in him? Man? I

752
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: believe that. All right, Well, we're gonna take our last

753
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: break here. We're gonna talk about coordinators and maybe trying

754
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: to keep some of these coordinators. You guys know a

755
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: thing or two about coaches and what success will do.

756
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and this Cardinals game when we

757
00:45:26,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: come back here on Cowboys Crosstalk h broadcasting live from

758
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,000
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766
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: there's a there's a couple of teams out there, Jacksonville

767
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: being one of them that's looking to hire a new coach.

768
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: They've asked for permission to speak to dan Quinn, Kellen Moore,

769
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Speaker 1: Kevin Gray. I'll talk to you first. I know you

770
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: guys talked about it a lot. Are you worried about

771
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: either one of those two guys leaving? And if so,

772
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: which one more put you on the spot. Yes, and

773
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm more worried about dan Quinn leaving. I think the

774
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: turnaround that this defense has been able to see under

775
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: him cannot be understated. And the loss of dan Quinn,

776
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: I think would be a big one for this Cowboys defense,

777
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: and more so to me because of the vision that

778
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: he had for Michael Parsons and what he's been able

779
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: to turn him into. I think that would be a

780
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: huge loss for the Cowboys of dan Quinn moved on

781
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: somewhere else to be a head coach. First thing you

782
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: said was defense is improved. You agree with that? You

783
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: think dan Quinn would be the tougher loss of Oh,

784
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: no question about it. But I understand he took his

785
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: name off the list, so that maybe I don't know

786
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: if that's true or not, but stay he did. But

787
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: if he didn't, then that would be a tremendous loss

788
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys might be off that list. There'll be

789
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: some others that's come up there as well. Nate, what

790
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about those two guys that maybe also

791
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: speak to Kellen and what he's not? Eight? Everybody? Eight

792
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: weeks too late? Eight weeks ago we went on to

793
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: I will show our podcast that y'all let us have. Yeah,

794
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: eight weeks too late. I try to tell and I'm

795
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: sorry I got him a mask. I'm sorry, but anyway,

796
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: I hope you guys asking him, I'm pitt, you're eight

797
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: weeks too late. You know when when when things are

798
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: going good with our offense, Oh, we can't lose Keller. Yeah,

799
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: we can lose Keller. And I'm always said it because

800
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. We brought him here because he was offensive mind.

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00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: He saw fit to let the coordinator stay, the saint

802
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: so the quarterback and become We have nus Man, we

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00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: have uh coach McCarthy, we have offensive, offensive minded guys.

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Speaker 1: I've always said, from speaking with Coach Quinn doing training camp.

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Speaker 1: When I say, hey, coach quin, what's up? He said, Nate,

806
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: me let me how let you? And he telling me

807
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: let me out. I said, man, Okay, what you got, coach,

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00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: Why did you get this guy? Why did you? And

809
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: he gave me a role for every player, nobody to

810
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: bottom of the roster to the top. He gave me

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Speaker 1: a role for every player that I asked. He said,

812
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: this is how I'm gonna play this guy. Watch me

813
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: play this guy this way. Whether it was safety, whether

814
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: it was a down lineman, whether it was a linebacker.

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00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: He gave and it's playing out. One thing I did

816
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: when I did my homework on him is never at

817
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: any moment defensively. Wherever team he went to, they loved him,

818
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: they wanted to play for him. I think things got

819
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: a lot out of whack in Atlanta. You can lose things,

820
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, by not being who you were. He should

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00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: have stayed with his defense all the way through Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: I think if he does get another head job, I

823
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: think he'll stay with his defense and stay more in

824
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: close in contact because he sees what he is and

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00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: that's his defensive minded coach. He made guys believe. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and you said, Kevin, you said, Michael Parsons obviously

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Speaker 1: had a vision and and you know used him in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. To me, I think jay Ron

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Speaker 1: Curse is another example a guy that you know it

830
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: was just a free agent and teams didn't really know

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Speaker 1: what to do with him. He knew exactly what to

832
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Speaker 1: do with him. Play that big guy close to the

833
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and let him let us link, you know,

834
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Speaker 1: do the do the talking there. I think the biggest

835
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: thing for Quinton was he decided to remake himself and

836
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Speaker 1: reinvent himself. And what he was in Atlanta is not

837
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Speaker 1: the same coach that he is now, which is benefited

838
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the way that they've been able to play,

839
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, defense. If they if he does get a

840
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: new job somewhere else, they're gonna get a guy that

841
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: reinvented himself and found a way to become a better

842
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: head football coach. But see, you know that's back to

843
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: the future, right because he did that thing with Seattle.

844
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Speaker 1: He was the mastermind for Seattle, so he Sometime when

845
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: you become a head coach like North, Turner will always

846
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: be mad at me because I said, coach, you are offensive. Jeez,

847
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: you are offensive coordinated when you have to go big picture.

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Speaker 1: That ain't for every coach to go big picture. North

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Speaker 1: defensive Jimmy's defensive coordinator he bought from Miami. I told

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Speaker 1: him the same thing, and everybody look at me. But

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you are a position coach, you are

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Speaker 1: a coordinator. Some guys are who they are. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I like about the Cardinals. They ain't let Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: be more than what he is. He a head coach,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna run this offense. Yeah. Is it a

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Speaker 1: distraction at all? I'm sure you guys dealt with it

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Speaker 1: when you had success, you had the assistance. They wanted

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Speaker 1: to move up. That happened with you, you know, on

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Speaker 1: your team, your teams with Tom Lanthrew definitely happened there

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Speaker 1: in the early nineties. Is it Is it a distraction

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Speaker 1: at all for the players? No, because we're focusing on

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Speaker 1: the mission. There's a lot of chatter about who's leaving,

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Speaker 1: who's staying. But at the in the moment, no, none

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Speaker 1: at all. None, Because you know what, you don't get

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Speaker 1: opportunities at Super Bowls, even when they went on twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty years stretches of winning getting in. You don't get

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, you know that often. So when

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Speaker 1: you got when you got a chance to make a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl run. You're like Covi, We love you, man.

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Speaker 1: Just concentrate on us right now where you leave. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll get you a big party. Yeah. But other than that, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's do the thing. All right, I'm speaking to Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1: You guys can play a defensive coordinator for a little bit. Here.

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Speaker 1: You got Kyler Murray coming up here. Uh, they're banged

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Speaker 1: up someone receiver. They do have some speed. I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, Timmy, if you're if you're if you got

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Speaker 1: Parsons and Gregory and d Law, you're going up against

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Speaker 1: a guy like Kyler Murray. What would be your game

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Speaker 1: plan there to face him? I would try to keep

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Speaker 1: him in the pocket and not let him get outside

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Speaker 1: and start doing things that he does best. So keeping him,

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Speaker 1: keeping him in the pocket is the main thing that

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are trying to do. And then push,

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Speaker 1: push from within that pocket so it collapses that pocket

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Speaker 1: enough to where he cannot focus and throw that football.

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Speaker 1: You said discipline on a lot of things, So Nate,

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Speaker 1: I'll throw it to you. Keep him in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: That means gregor d Law, do you not rush from

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Speaker 1: the outside like you want to, or do you have

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Speaker 1: to stay. What Timmy is talking about is is is

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Speaker 1: Gallimore and the other kid coming strong. So if they

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Speaker 1: do make them steak outside, which we hope they don't

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Speaker 1: jump inside, but if they do be you know, have

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Speaker 1: a two DP of a pocket. You got this thing

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Speaker 1: collapse enough so the curse kids, you know, you gotta

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Speaker 1: hang him around the line. They receivers ain't there on

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Speaker 1: the more, they got just Green and Kurt, so you

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Speaker 1: can cover that. So you you keep that extra guy

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Speaker 1: close to the line to make sure that this pocket

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Speaker 1: stay strong. He's all about discipline, all right, Really quick,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go through thoughts on how the Cowboys win

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Speaker 1: this game. We'll do it. We'll start with you, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: real quick. How do the Cowboys win? Get a lead early,

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Speaker 1: dominate defensively. That's pretty quick. Play free, baby, and beat disciplined.

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Speaker 1: Play free and beat disciplined. Do not turn that football over.

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Speaker 1: Just don't do it. So all that you man, You

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Speaker 1: guys are quicker than I thought that out. Okay, then

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Speaker 1: then also so if that happens, expecting the Cowboys win,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they're playing their role in right now

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Speaker 1: you get to this NFC East, I mean they're gonna win,

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Speaker 1: win the East. Here all of a sudden, now we

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Speaker 1: got the we got the NFC playoff picture. How how

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Speaker 1: important is it for the Cowboys you think to go

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Speaker 1: for that number one seed. I think it's vital and

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Speaker 1: important because playing at home is huge for them. If

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Speaker 1: they can be able to not have to go on

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Speaker 1: the road and maybe play Green Bay at something like that,

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Speaker 1: I think it would be huge to believe it. Play megadio, megadiddos, megadiddos, megadddo,

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Speaker 1: get the number one seed and play at home. You

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Speaker 1: play better at home. Yes, right, If you don't have

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Speaker 1: the one, he's maybe you're sitting with the two. How

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Speaker 1: worried would you be, Nate, I'll start with you. Just

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Speaker 1: as long as you have some similars of a run game,

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Speaker 1: defensive duel you need to get out of her brother,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's asking about that, all right. This has

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Speaker 1: been Cowboys Crosstalk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. This

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