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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com Slash Podcasts. I'm Paul to Tino. Today

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Speaker 1: we remember former Giants head coach Ray Perkins, who passed

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Speaker 1: away December night at the age of seventy nine. He

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Speaker 1: directed Big Blue from nineteen seventy nine through the two

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Speaker 1: season and ended the teams seventeen year playoff trout with

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Speaker 1: a nine and seven record in one. Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: linebacker Harry Carson was the team captain. As the organization

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Speaker 1: shuffled the front office, a new gm was in town

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Speaker 1: and he hired a former NFL receiver who had become

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Speaker 1: next head coach. Kins. And you know, I had all

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Speaker 1: always sort of done on teams that either they didn't

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Speaker 1: have a whole lot of talent that they had heart,

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Speaker 1: or they didn't have a whole lot of heart, but

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Speaker 1: they had a little bit of talent. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: until Parkins came in and he was able to, I say,

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Speaker 1: we instill a sense of discipline to the group of

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Speaker 1: players that he had. He routed out the ones who

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Speaker 1: could not play within his system or they weren't disciplined,

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Speaker 1: and he got guys who were hard at workers. You know.

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Speaker 1: They we all learned to play the game together and

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of the things that I could,

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Speaker 1: I could play that. Finally, remember with Rae Perkins is um.

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Speaker 1: You know, he would we would sit in the meeting

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Speaker 1: set intimidation about him that you knew when he was

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Speaker 1: and a good two or three seconds after could everybody

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Speaker 1: of him sort of reinstituting that sense of discipline within

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Speaker 1: not going to use the whole he was hard to fear.

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Speaker 1: He was hard, and he was a guy who wanted

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Speaker 1: the best out of his players. And eventually, with some

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Speaker 1: of the moves that he made, eventually, you know, we

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Speaker 1: I appreciated him personally because you know, not that I

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Speaker 1: but like I said that that the main thing that

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Speaker 1: and play consistent football. And that is probably the most

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Speaker 1: and you know, eventually, we during the season wound up

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Speaker 1: The second round lost to San Francisco came after quarterback

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Speaker 1: battling injuries. Few realized that it was Perkins who strongly

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Speaker 1: recommended that Young draft Simms two years earlier. We didn't

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Speaker 1: Phil was a guy out of a program that was

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Speaker 1: September and the day Perkins talked Carson out of an

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Speaker 1: And you know, you hit hit the expression practice the

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Speaker 1: the same thing when we played against Philadelphia, and you

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Speaker 1: And he looked at me after a loss. He looked

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Speaker 1: It was a miserable trip back to um Giant stadium,

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Speaker 1: He was a pretty good coach and in terms of

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Speaker 1: as we remember former Giants head coach Ray Perkins. You

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Speaker 1: Until next time, I'm Paul to Tino. So long, everybody,