1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Emily and this is Bridget and you're 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: listening to stuff mom never told you. And today we 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: are thrilled to do a deep dive into the biography, 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: the amazing nous, the politics, and the poise of the 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: one and only Maxine Waters Anti Maxine. She is sometimes 6 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: fondly known on the Internet and in my heart. Um, yeah, 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: Auntie Maxine is a really amazing and kind of political figure. 8 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: Um right now, she's all the rage. She's in memes 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: pictures of her looking very unimpressed or sort of taking 10 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: Twitter and social media by storm. And I think that's 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: because she is just so dang great. She how authentic 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: she is so authentic. Um, she's just this this voice 13 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: for truth and reason instead of standing up for what 14 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: she believes in. And I love her so much. I 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: love her too. So she represents a district of California 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: just south of Los Angeles, or maybe it is south 17 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, I guess it depends. And yeah, she's near 18 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach, she's near Long Beach. She's representing a pretty 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: boss and pretty fly l a district, and so I 20 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: think she can also get away with politically being flamboyantly 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: and unapologetically liberal, totally and like kind of antagonistic. Yeah, 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the reasons why people 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: love her so much, because I think, you know, in 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: the age of Trump and even before that, I think 25 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: people are thirsting for like legitimate, you know, authenticity in 26 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: their politicians. No one wants someone not in the like 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump way, like I'm just gonna say whatever cookie 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: thing pops into my head, but in the way it right, 29 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: but like someone who is like being real with them 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're She takes no guff from nobody, 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: doesn't make any guff, And yeah, I think like one 32 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: of the things that people really that really resonates with 33 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: people about her is that she just reminds me of 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: every sort of unimpressed black auntie I've ever had, who 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: doesn't care if it's like the wrong time to say 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: it or you don't want to hear it, like she's 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: gonna say it. And I think that's one of the 38 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: reasons why we kind of fondly know her as Auntie Maxine. 39 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: I think she's mainstreamed like throwing shade in the political arena. 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: I agree. And what's funny is I think all of 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: the hyper liberal like white folks rally behind someone like 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, who also takes no prisoners, calls it like 43 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: it is, but she's so she does it in a 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: very different way. She's so Massachusetts, so like New England, 45 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: and anti Maxine is such a opposite and equal reaction, 46 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like the unabashed, unapologetic 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: liberal agenda, but with a very different pres and we 48 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: need both. Frankly, there's a room for all of us. 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: We can both um And so, just like what you 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: were saying, the thing I love about Waters is sort 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: of she comes from this very sort of like the 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: like the where you what you think her outbringing was? 53 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: It is that So she moved to l A as 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: a young mother of two. She started working our garment 55 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: factory and a telephone company, and then eventually ended up 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: getting a job in a small neighborhood in l A. 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Watts as the assistant head teacher for the program head Start, 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: which is the program that helps at risk kids, you know, 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: get a head start in education. And so I just 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: love wasn't Hillary like a big part of making head 61 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Start a thing? I'm pretty sure that I not only 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: heard that on the campaign trail, but it was one 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: of like the champ the programs that she champions first lady, 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, ladies. Um, so yeah. And so I 65 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: just love that she kind of came from these I 66 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: don't want to say humble, but just like very like 67 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: a very specific background the same way that it's like, 68 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: I think it's really cool that Barack Obama started as 69 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: a community organizer, even though some people think like, oh, 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: I guess who I started that one. I'm just gonna say, 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, Barry and I have a lot in common. 72 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: Call us Barry on the should friend of the show. 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: And so yeah, she really worked her way up, um, 74 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, from a supervisor of volunteer services and parent 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: involvement where she taught parents had quote take control of 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: their children's educational destiny and again, and I love that. 77 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: I just love that her work was grounded in this 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: total person to person, parent to parent, kid to kid outreach, 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: right like not sort of in an office somewhere, but 80 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: actually helping her community. And I love when public officials 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: go into politics after starting on like not just a 82 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: receiving end, but getting involved in public service pre becoming 83 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: a politician. So head start is a government program. And 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: guess what government can do great things? And I think 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: we hear a lot about government waste and cutting and slashing, 86 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: but head starts a perfect example of how the government, 87 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the United States government has leveled the playing field for 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: kids of all economic backgrounds to get a level start 89 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to education, which is the key to success. 90 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: And I love, I mean, like and how great is 91 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: it like working with babies and like little kids right Like, 92 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: I think that we have this under this idea that 93 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: like to go into politics, particularly like for men, I 94 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: think like you need to have been like a high 95 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: powered attorney or a business man, or or like some 96 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: sort of you know feel that we think of as 97 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: like connected to finance or money or power or law 98 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: and like understanding. And I think it's it's you can, 99 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: at least in my book, I feel like you can 100 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: tell when someone has gotten there from you know, person 101 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: to person, a community based outreach. And I think, how great, 102 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: how much better would our government be if it were 103 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: full of people who started off in the classroom or 104 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: started off you know. I just interviewed Elizabeth Esti, who's 105 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: a congresswoman from Connecticut. Actually she won in the district 106 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: where the standing Hook shootings took place, and took office 107 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: right before that horrible tragic and that happened. And when 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: I was interviewing her from my Forbes column, I said, 109 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, you were a full time parent before going 110 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: to run for office, Like what did that feel like? 111 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: And granted, I don't want to gloss over the fact 112 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: that she has like a law degree from an Ivy 113 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: League school and she was a high powered attorney um 114 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: in she was actually working clerking in the Supreme Court 115 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: Justice's office, but she walked away from that to become 116 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: a full time parent, raised her kids for the better 117 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: part of a decade, and then ran for office. I mean, 118 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: I think when we have politicians who have a very 119 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: diverse array of experiences, specifically experiences having to do with 120 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: child rear, I agree that we are better off because 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: that's part of how government makes a big difference in 122 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: people's lives. Public education programs like Headstart, And I love 123 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: that Auntie Vaccine brings that background to bear in her 124 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: work and I think it really really shows and so 125 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: she really you know, it's it's in the classroom and 126 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: working with teachers and parents and kids is where she 127 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: says that she learned organ us And something that I 128 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: think is so important is one, just like you said, 129 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: she got her kind of like political background her and 130 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: sort of cut her chops in this community organizing, you know, 131 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: environment and be that she was surrounded by this like 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, it's a it's a choir 133 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: of black women who taught her to organize, taught her 134 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: to work with parents, taught her to work with teachers. 135 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: And she really is explicit about crediting these women, these 136 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, black women who came before her as the 137 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: people who taught her how to organize and open the 138 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: door for her, um, you know, being in public office. 139 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: And so we talked in an earlier episode about this 140 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: idea of like lift as you climb, and these she 141 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: really like it seems like these are women who lifted 142 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: her up, and so for her, I imagine it's also 143 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: very important to climbed. One of my favorite things about 144 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Auntie Maxine Waters is the fact that as she has 145 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: risen up in notoriety, in public office, in leadership, she 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: has not contained or sort of uh what is it like, 147 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: warped her speech and her style to conform to a 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: stereotype of what it means to be a Politician's what 149 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: everybody loves about her. She I mean, I could see 150 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: her saying the same things that she says, you know, 151 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: on the floor. She's probably is the same way, like 152 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: at her family, saying the same thing. I guarantee that 153 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: like people in her family her like her. Um totally. 154 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: I want to take a quick break, but when we 155 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: come back, let's talk about some of her most famous 156 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: moments on the house floor or in the media, when 157 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: anti Maccine became a sort of meme or sort of 158 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: rallying cry, someone to stand behind for the kind of 159 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: politician who takes nothing from nobody and makes her voice 160 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: heard in her own way. We'll be right back after this. 161 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: And we're back, and we couldn't be more excited to 162 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: quote from what is some of the best lines I've 163 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: ever read in any political transcript ever. It feels like 164 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: this reads right off of um, oh god, what's the 165 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: name of the show that everyone here is obsessed with? 166 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: West Wing. It's like better than the writer Scandal. Okay, 167 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: that makes more sense, Scandal or west Wing. It's better. 168 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: It is. It totally is. It's like very Olivia popified, 169 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: but it's Maxine Waters, the one and only no writers 170 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: behind her. So take us back to the first time 171 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: when when she became gained some public notoriety for being 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: a woman who had a lot to say. So she 173 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: has been like, you know, we think of her today 174 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: as someone who you know, doesn't care what anyone thinks. 175 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: And she's had the reputation for kind of a while. Um, 176 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: she's always had this great reputation as somebody was something 177 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: to say, which I love. Um. In she was gaveled 178 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: off the house floor when she refused to stop loudly 179 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: criticizing a Republican member she felt have badger and a 180 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: female witness during a hearing. I love that and so this, 181 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I wish there had been a video of this, 182 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: or that I could find video of this of her 183 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: just like loudly refusing to you know, stop talking, being 184 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: like no, I'm gonna keep going. And I just love 185 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: that that moment was in standing up for another woman, 186 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, she was like I want to be silenced, um, 187 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, it was like you could think of it 188 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: almost as like one of the early Nevertheless, she persisted exactly, 189 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say. UM. In two 190 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, she was quoted as saying the tea party 191 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: could quote go straight to hell, which again I love, 192 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: Like she's just someone who speaks her mind. And I'm 193 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: thinking about all the women I work with or all 194 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: the women listening who might be like, I can't tell 195 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: my boss anything like that, I can't say this kind 196 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: of thing in public at work, or no one will 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: take me seriously. And I think, while it's true that 198 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: you want to make that judgment call for yourself, nobody 199 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: respects Maxine Waters less or I would say, she still 200 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: gets the job done at the end of the day. 201 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: Very good at her but good at her right, And 202 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: it's all she takes risks. Okay, these are not without risk, 203 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: But how refreshing is it to hear a politician who 204 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: speaks her mind like that? You can be that woman too, 205 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Like you can be that politician. I think Kirsten Gillibrand, 206 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: the Senator from New York, is also starting to become 207 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: renowned as a woman who speaks her mind in this way. 208 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: I think nobody does it like Maxine Water right, But 209 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: it's just like it's it's something to it's encouraging, It 210 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: is encouraging and I do think. I mean, the politicians 211 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: that we kind of think of fondly in that way 212 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: tend to be people that we think of speaking their minds. 213 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: They're not people that you know, suck their that suck 214 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: their teeth or hold their tongue, you know, they're they're 215 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: people who really you know, yeah, but it's hard. I mean, 216 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: here's the thing, like a women get criticized way more 217 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: for being as certis that's right and be it's it's 218 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: always risky to be that authentic. But I think in 219 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: today's era, more than ever in the snapchat era, right, 220 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: authenticity matters, and people can tell when you're being guessing them. 221 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: And I think in Washington especially, there's it's just so 222 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: refreshing to hear from someone like Maxine Waters. I agree, 223 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, I think in this 224 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: day and age, in the in the era of Trump, 225 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: I think we particularly you know, resonates with people in 226 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: a particular way. Um Waters was really kind of notable 227 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: for kicking off this idea that like we that that 228 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: lawmakers should be vocally and like this really resistant of 229 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: Trump and they should stand you know, stand up to him. 230 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: She really kicked that off by saying that, you know, 231 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: refusing to go to his inauguration and saying, you know, hey, 232 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go, and you know, kind of making 233 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: that she's basically like boycotted the integration saying, quote, I 234 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: don't honor this president, I don't respect this president, and 235 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm not joyful in the presence of this president. And 236 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that, right because resistance, 237 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: I get I'm all about resistance. I'm also a very 238 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: proud American. And I'm not saying we should all come 239 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: together and come by around the sociopath and the white 240 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: has to be quite frank, but it does. I mean 241 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: that is that is edgy. I mean that is seriously hardcore. 242 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm not here to like champion treason. I'm not saying 243 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: that it's comparable to treason, but it is. It is. 244 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's a little I mean, I think, 245 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: what do you think about take it back to how 246 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: we actually felt during that moment, and like I'm thinking, like, 247 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: for some reason, my big thing was around this idea 248 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: that when presidents do these things that are like cute 249 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: and cuddly. For instance, is Trump this person who spent 250 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: months and months going after people that look like me, 251 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: people like women, you know, other like folks of color, 252 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, other marginalized folks. In what I feel like, 253 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: we're very violent ways are We're gonna get to a 254 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: point where like he's rolling an Easter red with a 255 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: baby on the White House lawn and like, for some 256 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: reason I found that to be like this really horrifying totally, 257 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: and so I I think at that moment, there was 258 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: this idea that like going to the inauguration, going through 259 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: like business as usual, little you know, cute and cuddly things, 260 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: was going to be distasteful, and I thought like, and 261 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: so you know it did it even other presidents that 262 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't fond of, like I certainly wasn't fond of 263 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: George Bush, but like the idea of him rolling an 264 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: Eastern end on the White House law and didn't horror. 265 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: And so I think she's checking into that, and I'm 266 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: not going to do We're not going to have this. 267 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be a normal song in vance where 268 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: we grin and Barrett as a you know, as someone 269 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: who spent so long, you know, viewing such a violent, 270 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: hateful rhetoric, we're not going to act like that's something 271 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: that like that's normal, and they're not going to politely 272 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: clap for it. I think it's um people like to 273 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: bring it back to the respect for the office. Correct, 274 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: And even if you don't respect the president, the person 275 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: in the office, like behaving in that sort of going 276 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: along sort of pomp and circumstance that comes with the 277 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: inauguration is about respecting the office. I think that's what 278 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people would push back and say. But 279 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: I think there has to be a mutual respect there, correct, 280 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: And Donald Trump did not bring that kind of mutual 281 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: respect for America and its perspect How is she supposed 282 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: to respect somebody who? I mean, I I would imagine 283 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: if she as a woman of color, she probably feels 284 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: like like I feel very personally right like, so it's 285 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: difficult like I'm someone who is you know, as you 286 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: might imagine, and very vocally critical of Donald Trump. And 287 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: when people push back like that's like I can't make 288 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: nice or I fine common ground with someone that I 289 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: feel like has is personally denigrating me on a regular basis. 290 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense it. I 291 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: think she pushes the envelope and she someone had to 292 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: be this person right, someone had to be the voice 293 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: on behalf of a lot of us who were feeling 294 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: did you ever think it would be like an old 295 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: black woman in her late eighties. I'm like thrilled it is, Like, 296 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason she went viral. 297 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: So what she's gotten a lot of critic a lot 298 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: of critical sort of feedback in terms of how people 299 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: are reacting to her open vocal um resistance right. And 300 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: I think the far right magazine just last month, the 301 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: American Finger called her unhinged and quote the poster child 302 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: for Trump derangement syndrome. So they're trying to make her 303 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: out as crazy, right, like, oh, she speaks up against 304 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, so she must be right. And I think 305 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: that's a classic tactic used throughout history to silence women 306 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: with strong opinions and saying, oh, she's loony, you know, 307 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: she's unhinged, she's what is it hysterical? Hold that gas lighting? 308 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: One oh one? And I think you know, we in 309 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: the South where I'm from, we have this expression hit 310 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: dog will holler. And basically what that means is if 311 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: she wasn't saying something right, they wouldn't say anything about 312 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: her right, Like the point, the fact that they're you know, 313 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: striking back and being like, Oh, isn't this woman crazy? 314 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: We gotta take her down. Yeah, that feeling that she's 315 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: hit a nerve, like she's got something just like she 316 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: said something right, well, speak of hitting a nerve and 317 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: the frail, pale male ego. Okay. The I think the 318 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 1: biggest moment that put Maxine Waters on the map in 319 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: recent times, which I loved and I think so many 320 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: of us responded to, was this response she had when 321 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly formally formally of the Fox New Network. I 322 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: have to do an episode on that. Um, we'll cover 323 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: that his firing scene. But Bill O'Reilly, formerly of the 324 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: Fox News Network, said that he couldn't even hear what 325 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: she was saying regarding some of her comments against Trump 326 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: because he was so distracted by her quote James Brown Wig, 327 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: this is so awful to me, for it's like a 328 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: it's like an onion of awful where there's layers do it. 329 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: That's very Shrek like it is. Yeah, it is layer 330 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: upon layer, lay upon lair. Basically, one someone who I 331 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: know who who works in the same office as her, 332 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: did make this like very legistic, a point which is 333 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: that like Maxine Waters is in her late eighties, she 334 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: flies back and forth from California to d C, sometimes twice, 335 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: sometimes three times a week. She works, you know, insane 336 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: amounts of hours. She looks amazing, so right, like, so 337 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: even like I don't like the idea of like judging 338 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: a female politician by her looks. But even if we're 339 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: gonna do that, she looks great, what do you want 340 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: her to spend like all of her time at dry 341 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: bar exactly instead of doing her job? Like, logistically, I 342 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: think there's that layer one, layer one, layer two. So like, 343 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if Maxine Waters wears a wig or not, 344 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: who knows, but as a Black woman who has worn 345 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: a wig or two on my in my life, it's 346 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: it's beyond rude. I'm problematic to tell Black women who 347 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: are often you know, maligned and marginalized because of their 348 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: because of our hair, that wearing a wig or like 349 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: a weave or like braids or whatever you want to 350 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: do makes a lot of sense. If you're someone who 351 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: like has a lot to do, like if you're busy, 352 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: you don't want time to get your hair done all 353 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: the time. It makes total sense, and it really goes 354 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: back to the episode that we did about feminist hair, 355 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: where you know, as black women were kind of what 356 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: if you don't what is she like you want her 357 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: to show up in corn rows? Right? Or are you 358 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna say about that? So none of which is a 359 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: wrong move, but like's trying to like calm you white 360 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: people down. The choice to wear a wig is basically 361 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: saying like, so even so I'm not sure if it 362 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: is a big or not, but if it is a 363 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: choice to wear a wig for a black woman, it's 364 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: very much like, I'm my hair is going to be 365 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: you know, my hair is going to be like straight 366 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: and pretty, like you know, white ish, yeah, white ish. 367 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: And I feel like by making that, by making that choice, 368 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: like she still gets crapped on for her hair. So 369 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: it's like, as black women, we really can't win. It 370 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't matter how she looks, she's going to get crapped on. 371 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: And really the subtext is that is that, like, you're 372 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: just a black woman. So like by making by making 373 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: a crack at her hair and calling it a wig, 374 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: he's just trying to remind us like, oh, this she 375 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: He's trying to put her in her place exactly like 376 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: take her down, and I think that that really, um, 377 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: it's just such a problematic, messed up thing. And then 378 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: the the other layer I see in this is, at 379 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: the end of the day, what he's actually saying is 380 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: that he's not listening to the words that are coming 381 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: out of her mouth. And that's that's so fundamentally disrespectful. 382 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: And I've been there, you know, I feel like all 383 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: women have been there. Have you ever been in the 384 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: office setting or been in a classroom setting and realize 385 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: that you know, your professor or your boss or your 386 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: colleagues are so busy checking some part of you out 387 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: and objectifying you in some way, whether it's your hair 388 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: or your body or any or your outfit or whatever, 389 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: that they literally are not listening to the words you 390 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: are saying. That is the most dehumanizing and disrespectful feeling 391 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: in the world of like, I'm actually not respecting your 392 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: intellect and like, yeah, like she was actually talking about 393 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: something that was fairly important to you. I don't know 394 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: that well being of our country and him saying like, oh, 395 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: I can't even hear what you have to say. It's 396 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: just it's just beyond disrespectful. I think we need to 397 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: take a break to take getting a litt as you 398 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: can tell him by makes me gonna pull my hair out. 399 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: So when we come back, we're not to do that one. 400 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: Come up with that one on the fly, you like, 401 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: I swear to God, I did um Sometimes I sometimes 402 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: even a blind squirrel finds enough. Uh. So we're gonna 403 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: take a quick break, and when we come back, we're 404 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: going to unpack the perfect and brilliant response that Maxine 405 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: Waters had to UH to Bill O'Reilly's bs comment about 406 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: her hair. We'll be right back after a word from 407 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: our sponsors, and we're back. We've taken a breath or two. 408 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: I hope you have to uh And Bridget, will you 409 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: do the honors of sharing with us what the one 410 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: and only Maxine Waters had to say about Bill O'Reilly's comments. 411 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: So her response really could not have been better. Like 412 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I wanted to get this 413 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: tattooed on my body. It was so amazing. You still 414 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: can't I have? Might? I might. We'll see next year 415 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: what happens. She said. Let me just say this, I'm 416 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: a strong black woman and I cannot be intimidated. I 417 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: cannot be undermined. I cannot be thought to be afraid 418 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: of Bill O'Reilly or anybody that was the same moment, 419 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like just like fist 420 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: pumping that. There were like air horns going off in 421 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: my mind like like it was the best. Oh my god, 422 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: d J, somebody, some d J who's listening right now, 423 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: Lady d j's we're talking to you, please mix that quote. 424 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I think Beyonce should do. You do 425 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: that like I would play it at my Oh god. 426 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: You know. It's like when she took her quote beyond 427 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: again and put it into what was it flawless? Someone 428 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: do that with Maxine Waters and that. I mean, I 429 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: think women, particularly Black women, really resonated with that quote 430 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: because it just encapsulates all the things all this is 431 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that you might need to, like 432 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: say in the mirror while you're getting dressed in the morning, 433 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: to be like putting on your armor for the day, 434 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: like I will not be intimidated, you know. And she 435 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: she also just came out and said I am a 436 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: strong Black woman, which is radical in and of itself. Radical. 437 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: It's like, I think in this era of the Women's 438 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: March and the conversations around interspectionality that came out of that. 439 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to hold space for black 440 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: unapologetic women to be like leading the resist black, I 441 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: mean just being black and apologetic. So honestly, some days 442 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: that is a radical radical of itself. Sometimes just put 443 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: on your not apologizing for it is like showing up 444 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: in that way can be a radical act. Absolutely, And 445 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: I have to give a shout out to all of 446 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: my friends on social media who took that quote and 447 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: ran with it, whether it was just a post or 448 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, made it a background or made a gorgeous 449 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: image of it. I think there are so many ways 450 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: it's been interpreted and used in a creative fashion to 451 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: sort of spread that mess such I think that's That's 452 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: when she also got up at a press conference and said, like, 453 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: you know, the kids are tweeting about it. Oh, I 454 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: think it's great the millennials. Maybe I love the millennials. 455 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: Like she was she like asking my grandmother, like what 456 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: do you think of social media? Like her response was 457 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: so adorable, Like it's it's like melt melt in my 458 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: heart was so great. She says that she's giddy about 459 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: her Internet fame is the headline that Slate ran with, 460 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: which I think it's just a perfect way, um for 461 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: us to sort of acknowledge that she's having a moment's 462 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: having a complete viral moment. I think the thing that 463 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: I loved so much her you know, her words went viral, 464 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: and probably my favorite, my favorite and perhaps the most 465 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: delicious iteration of her quo going viral was that someone 466 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: affectually a friend of mine, Sabrina shout out to a 467 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: friend of the show, Sabrina Um, founder of b Bold Media, 468 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: she for her birthday. She's sort of known for these 469 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: like empowering, amazing, kick ass cake and she her cake 470 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: will put it in the show notes it's Sheath Cake 471 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: with Maxine Waters is tweet. I love it, so her 472 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: cake says, I am a strong black woman. I cannot 473 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: be intimidated, and I'm not going anywhere. And it's amazing, 474 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: and you've got Maxine waters face on it, right, and 475 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: she's looking. I hope Maxine saw that. I hope onto Maxine, 476 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: I hope. I love what. I love what she's saying 477 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: to about her her sort of viral fame. She goes 478 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: in an interview with MSNBC, she said, I'm so proud 479 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: of the connection that I've made with these young people. 480 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: They do call me Aunti Maccine. I embrace that. I 481 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: love that. I'm going to be there, Auntie. I'm going 482 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: to keep telling the truth. And I want them to 483 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: get out there and register people to vote, get active 484 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: and bombard the Congress of the United States and their 485 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: leadership with what they want them to do. And I 486 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: love that so much because that just shows that she 487 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: is not just like like her viral internet fame is 488 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: something that she wants to use to use to like 489 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: here's like, thank you for sharing my tweet, thank you 490 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: for posting my you know, my like unimpressed face on Instagram. 491 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Now go out and help people vote, right, Like, I 492 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: love that, And I think that that's that's one of 493 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: the things I think that people really tap into with her. It's, 494 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: you know, there's this hashtag trust to black women, and 495 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: I think, like that's what it comes down to. It's 496 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: like why people love Like, I think that we're in 497 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: a moment where people are starting to realize like the 498 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: brilliant political organizing power that is black women. And like, 499 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: I think that Maxine Waters in a kind of way 500 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: like represents that that moment of like, yeah, black women 501 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: are amazing and for too long, you know, black women 502 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: have been the backbone of the Democratic Party and that 503 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: for too long, like that has gone unacknowledged, and like 504 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: that moment is over. Like black women need to be everywhere. 505 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I need to be listening to them, we need to 506 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: be voting for them. We need to be um, you know, 507 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: championing our issues. We need to be all all of it. 508 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: I love it. I couldn't have said about for myself. 509 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: You just nailed it. I'm listening to you Britain. Yeah, 510 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: I should get a podcast. You should. All right, Well, 511 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: I've think I think we've tackled as best we could be. 512 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: Just to give you a small glimpse of the brilliance 513 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: and unwielding leadership of Representative Maxine Onto Maxine Waters. Adore her. 514 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: What do y'all think? What do you what's your take 515 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: on this kind of outspoken, unapologetic, hyper intersectional brand of 516 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: the authentic politician that is Maxine Waters. What do you 517 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: think about her nickname Onto Maxine? With millennials? Do you 518 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: feel like that's good? Is that you know, like do 519 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: you feel like that's disrespectful? Perhaps of maybe like taking 520 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: her title away or do you feel like yeah, or 521 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: do you listeners feel like that's just a way of 522 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: reflecting on how close we all feel to a badass 523 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: like Maxine Water. 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