WEBVTT - Betrayal Weekly: EP 11 - Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty soon up over the hill, I saw a caravan

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<v Speaker 1>of dark vehicles with dark dinted windows. They're all in

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<v Speaker 1>FBI or US Marshall's jackets. They've got their sunglasses, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got their weapons, and they come to my house. They

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<v Speaker 1>rang the doorbell. I let them in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. Andrea Merriman came from money, a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>As a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Her family had a huge house, a vacation home in Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 2>and even a private plant.

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<v Speaker 1>We flew everywhere. We didn't do road trips. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so my family to the plane at midnight and fly

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<v Speaker 1>to Arizona for the weekend to enjoy the sun, and

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<v Speaker 1>then be back when school started on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you met Andrea, you wouldn't know that's how

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<v Speaker 2>she grew up. She's not flashy, She's hard working and honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Her parents raised her that way.

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<v Speaker 1>We had jobs around the house. We didn't get allowance

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<v Speaker 1>for it, or if we did, it was a dollar

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<v Speaker 1>a week, because my parents wanted to teach us responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>and accountability.

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<v Speaker 2>Her family belonged to the church, of Jesus Christ of

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<v Speaker 2>Latter day Saints. Some people call it the Mormon Church,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not the name she uses.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a name given to church members who are not

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<v Speaker 1>of our faith. It's just a mouthful to say the

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<v Speaker 1>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saint.

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<v Speaker 2>From a young age, Andrea took her faith very seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're a child, they give you a ring and

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<v Speaker 1>it says ctr on it that stands for two use

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<v Speaker 1>the right. So part of the culture was to be

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<v Speaker 1>obedient to good principles, doing well in whatever I attempted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do, and in her religious community. She felt empowered as

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<v Speaker 2>a woman. The women around her were ambitious and well educated.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of them had both families and careers.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom had a master's degree, and I remember going

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<v Speaker 1>to my dad asking for help with homework. My dad

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<v Speaker 1>would say, I can totally help you, but who really

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<v Speaker 1>could help you. The person who's the smartest in our

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<v Speaker 1>family as your mother. So I was raised that women

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<v Speaker 1>could do and be anything.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a straight a student, a great athlete. She

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<v Speaker 2>played three instruments and excelled at piano.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything I did, I did to the best of my ability.

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<v Speaker 2>When she got older. She took that determination to bring

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<v Speaker 2>them young university, where she immediately got to work on

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<v Speaker 2>building her future.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad wanted me to be a lawyer, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I went to school thinking I would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Along the way, she found a dream of her own.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted to start a career in advertising and public relations,

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<v Speaker 2>and her work ethic extended outside the classroom. She got

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<v Speaker 2>a job in her apartment complex. That's how she met Sean.

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<v Speaker 1>He came into the office to pay his rent, and

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<v Speaker 1>I processed that for him.

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<v Speaker 2>She would see him around the building, but they'd never

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<v Speaker 2>really talked before.

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<v Speaker 1>My roommates in my apartment were good friends with the

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<v Speaker 1>guys and his apartment people thought highly of him and

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<v Speaker 1>his roommates, and they did fun things and seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be good people.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon after they met in the office, Sean asked her out,

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<v Speaker 2>and right away he impressed her. He knew she liked music,

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<v Speaker 2>so for their first date, he took her to the Symphony.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, they started going out together every weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not do the typical, cheap, low budget, crazy

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<v Speaker 1>college dates. He took me to the best restaurants, two concerts,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he'd take you out into his BMW. He

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<v Speaker 1>was always a very engaging, outgoing, charming person.

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<v Speaker 2>On one date, she wore a pearl necklace. Sean complimented

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<v Speaker 2>her on it and she told him it was borrowed

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<v Speaker 2>from a front So a few days later, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Just showed up at my door unexpectantly with a jewelry box.

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<v Speaker 1>I opened it up and it was a pearl necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, any woman as beautiful as you should

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<v Speaker 1>not have to borrow pearls. I mean, that was what

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<v Speaker 1>it was like to date Sean Merriman. I remember thinking, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>all the other boys I've dated, if they tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do these grand gestures or date this way, it would

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<v Speaker 1>seem really cheesy and corny. But it works for Sean,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just like in the movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though he had expensive taste, Sean didn't come from money.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad was a construction worker. They had moved all

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<v Speaker 1>around the country during his childhood, eleven times in seven

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<v Speaker 1>or eight years. There was a lot of alcoholism, divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was one of the first members of his

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<v Speaker 1>family to go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting into college wasn't easy for Sean. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the grades, but he made up for it with his

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<v Speaker 2>trademark charm.

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<v Speaker 1>He started sending flowers to the woman in charge of admissions,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually he got admitted.

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<v Speaker 2>He was proud of this story, and he always had

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<v Speaker 2>fabulous stories to entertain people with. He was interested in

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<v Speaker 2>things most college kids weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>He was into photography, he was into cars, he was

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<v Speaker 1>into building things.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, Sean didn't let his interests take over their relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>We did everything that I loved. He knew that I

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<v Speaker 1>loved the beach, he knew that I loved eighties music.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew that I loved travel, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>I was finding someone who believed the way I did

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<v Speaker 1>on everything.

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<v Speaker 2>After a few months of dating, the two took a

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<v Speaker 2>trip to California, and there on the beach, he got

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<v Speaker 2>down on one knee.

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<v Speaker 1>Going through my head mostly was wait, I'm only twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm too young to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea was still in school. She'd always planned to graduate,

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<v Speaker 2>start a career, and then get married, but saying yes

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<v Speaker 2>to Sean just made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I thought he was the one,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought that he would be a great friend,

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<v Speaker 1>great partner, great companion, great provider, great father. And am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to find somebody just like him. Again, if

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<v Speaker 1>I passed this by, I saw enough of those good

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<v Speaker 1>qualities and the things that I wanted as part of

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<v Speaker 1>my future. So when he proposed, I said yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So they got married and graduated college in that order.

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<v Speaker 1>We were on a good course together. We were equally

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<v Speaker 1>yoked as a couple to move forward and create the

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<v Speaker 1>life of our dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean had a vision of moving to DC. He even

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed with the CIA. He also considered getting an MBA

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<v Speaker 2>and an Ivy League school. Timately, they decided to plant

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<v Speaker 2>roots in our home state of Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>We chose to move to Denver for my career. I

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<v Speaker 1>got a job working for a government agency doing public

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<v Speaker 1>relations for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean came to love Denver and he found a great

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<v Speaker 2>job at an investment firm.

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<v Speaker 1>He had immediate success, so then he actually started being

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<v Speaker 1>a stockbroker that fall.

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<v Speaker 2>When it came to investing, Sean had a minus touch.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will tell you from September to December that

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<v Speaker 1>quarter he made fifty thousand dollars, and that was in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of money, especially right out of college.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean was bringing home two hundred k a year. But

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<v Speaker 2>that was the nineties. In today's money, that's the equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of four hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year, and

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<v Speaker 2>the money just kept coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Other firms would reach out to him and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come and work for us. We'll give you a signing bonus,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he would take a fifty sixty seventy eighty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars signing bonus and go work for a different firm.

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<v Speaker 2>He hopped from firm to firm for a few years,

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<v Speaker 2>and then soon after they had their first child in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three, Sean came to Andrea with a business idea.

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<v Speaker 1>He came home from work and told me that he

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<v Speaker 1>had some very wealthy, blue blood old money clients in

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City that had been so impressed with the money

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<v Speaker 1>management he had done for them that they had asked

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<v Speaker 1>him to step back from his career as a stockbroker

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<v Speaker 1>and manage their money privately for them.

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<v Speaker 2>She supported him one hundred percent, so he made the

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<v Speaker 2>leap and launched what became Market Street Advisors. It started

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<v Speaker 2>with those Kansas City clients, but pretty soon he was

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<v Speaker 2>investing for f family, friends and neighbors too, and even

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<v Speaker 2>in the madness of starting his own firm and finding

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<v Speaker 2>new clients. Sean made it a point to spend time

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<v Speaker 2>with Andrea at the end of every day.

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<v Speaker 1>He came home at night, had dinner with me, had

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<v Speaker 1>great stories about trades that he'd made that day. He

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<v Speaker 1>had no shortage of stories. He could tell, conversations, he

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<v Speaker 1>could share ideas that he had.

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<v Speaker 2>Life was good for the Merryman's. Sean's investment firm was

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<v Speaker 2>taking off, and the two of them were living comfortably,

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<v Speaker 2>more than comfortably. Even the house got bigger, the cars

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<v Speaker 2>got nicer, and for Andrea there was only one thing

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<v Speaker 2>missing more kids.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things we talked about before we got

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<v Speaker 1>married was that I wanted four to six children. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, that's great, That's what I've always wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>They had another a baby girl, and Andrea was the

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<v Speaker 2>happiest she'd ever been. When Sean got home after a

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<v Speaker 2>long day at work, he didn't have the bandwidth to

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<v Speaker 2>help with the babies.

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<v Speaker 1>He was fine to play with the baby when he

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<v Speaker 1>was home, et cetera, but he was not a hands

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<v Speaker 1>on let me help bathe the baby, let me change diapers.

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<v Speaker 2>And when she asked him about having a third kid,

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<v Speaker 2>he was hesitant. She assured him she'd take on the

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<v Speaker 2>responsibilities that he couldn't, And so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Did everything, handled everything for the baby so that it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't impact his life too much. And I could have

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<v Speaker 1>another child. And I continued to do everything and manage

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<v Speaker 1>the kids so that it didn't impact his life. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time we had our fourth kid, I could count

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<v Speaker 1>the number of dirty diapers on one hand that he

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<v Speaker 1>had changed. It really became. He was busy, he was

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<v Speaker 1>working on his career, and I was the partner in

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship who was focused on home and family.

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<v Speaker 2>All in all, they had four kids together. She was

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<v Speaker 2>the homemaker, he was the provider, and she provided very well.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the life she always wanted. Over time, Sean

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<v Speaker 2>started to be more open about the life he wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>I found out he didn't like dancing. He didn't like beaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go on a trip to California. No, I hate

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<v Speaker 1>the beach. What yeah, I hate the feel of sand

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<v Speaker 1>between my toes. I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>He started developing expensive new hobbies, ones that required him

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<v Speaker 2>to travel.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a big African safari guy. He would go

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<v Speaker 1>to Cameroon and Tanzania and South Africa. And Zimbabwe, all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world to hunt and go on safaris for

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<v Speaker 1>animals and Quinci. Very wealthy people are engaged in those hobbies.

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<v Speaker 1>He sold it as well, I'm actually doing this for work,

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<v Speaker 1>to get more clients to build my business.

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<v Speaker 2>These trips could be dangerous. One time, when he returned

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<v Speaker 2>from a safari in Ethiopia, Sean was acting strange.

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<v Speaker 1>He was keeping his distance and I said why, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I have got to go to the doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>He was worried he could have contracted something. He told

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea a wild story.

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<v Speaker 1>We were climbing a mountain and one of the people

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<v Speaker 1>in the party flipped and he was going to fall

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<v Speaker 1>off a cliff, and so I reached down and I

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed him and saved his life. But he and I

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<v Speaker 1>both got cut up in the process, and I need

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<v Speaker 1>to go and get tested to make sure I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Thankfully, Sean was negative, and even though the story was

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<v Speaker 2>far fetched, Andrea believed him.

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<v Speaker 1>He had so many stories about saving people's lives or

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic things. I used to tell him, if I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>live with you and see that your life is true,

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<v Speaker 1>I would never believe your life. What I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>was most of those stories were probably lies.

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<v Speaker 2>As Andrea and Sean built a family together, Sean started

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<v Speaker 2>to change. He was around less and less working at

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<v Speaker 2>his investment firm, and when he wasn't working, he was

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<v Speaker 2>taking extravagant hunting trips on his own. It became Sean's world,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes that bothered her, but she was committed to

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<v Speaker 2>him no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>For a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of

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<v Speaker 1>Latter day Saints, you marry forever, and you make your choice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you love your choice and you figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to make it work. I was taught that pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the only reason you would ever divorced, as if

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of physical abuse or something beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>you marry forever.

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<v Speaker 2>His behavior was a challenge, but not marriage ending.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't anything that I would have divorced over. It

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<v Speaker 1>was more, oh, I guess I'll make this work.

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<v Speaker 2>And she really did want to make it work. There

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<v Speaker 2>was still so much good in what they had together.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like we were very connected. We went on

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<v Speaker 1>dates every weekend together. He would call me when he

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<v Speaker 1>had downtimes at work, once every morning, and once or

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<v Speaker 1>twice in the afternoon. He'd just called me to check in,

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<v Speaker 1>see what I was doing, see how I was.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he did have the time, she could see

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<v Speaker 2>he was really trying. Especially as the kids got older,

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<v Speaker 2>he became more involved. He led fifty mile hikes for

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<v Speaker 2>their son's boy Scout troop. He drove their daughter around

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<v Speaker 2>on errands. He joked with them, talked with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>above all, he made sure his kids had everything they

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<v Speaker 2>could ask for, all the things he didn't have. Growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>My son played baseball and they won the championship of

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<v Speaker 1>their league. So he bought a batting cage and pitching

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<v Speaker 1>machine that he put in our backyard. We put in

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<v Speaker 1>a pool, We put in a sport court so that

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<v Speaker 1>our kids would have a great fun place to bring

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<v Speaker 1>their friends to.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean wanted their kids to be cultured. He took them

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<v Speaker 2>to museums around the world, and he even started their

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<v Speaker 2>own private art collection.

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<v Speaker 1>We ended up with a collection of Rembrands that was

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<v Speaker 1>worth quite a bit of money, and sculptures by Frederick Hart,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of things like that to make things beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and to help educate our children.

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<v Speaker 2>The batting cages, the private courts, the rembrands. Sure it

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot, but they could afford it in Sean's hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea had watched their money multiply.

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<v Speaker 1>I had watched our account slowly grow up to a million,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I watched our account slowly grow to three million,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I watched my statement grow to total about

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<v Speaker 1>ten million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>In the early two thousands, that was closer to eighteen million.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea also invested her own inheritance with Sean's firm, everything

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<v Speaker 2>she had saved and everything she got from her parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my own money. My parents had passed away

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, and like all of his investment clients,

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting monthly financial statements.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, she wanted to make sure that they were being

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<v Speaker 2>smart with their spending.

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<v Speaker 1>I am very conservative financially. So my first goal was

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<v Speaker 1>I want our home paid off. And so I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was my fortieth birthday. He gave me

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<v Speaker 1>the deed to our house, and our house was paid off.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sean kept making the house better and better.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up building a building behind our home that

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<v Speaker 1>he called his shop. It was actually bigger than our home.

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<v Speaker 1>His work office was in the top level, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom was just cars and trophies. He had an

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<v Speaker 1>aston Martin. He had several porsches of Ferrari, Mercedes, Sedans, BMW's,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean spent pretty much all his time in his shop,

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<v Speaker 2>working on business or taking care of his cars.

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<v Speaker 1>He would go out to his office from probably seven

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<v Speaker 1>am to five pm, come in, have dinner, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be like, oh, I'm going to go out to

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<v Speaker 1>my shop and do this, and then he'd come in

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<v Speaker 1>at ten at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea knew all that hard work was funding their lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 2>but she missed him. She wanted him around more.

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<v Speaker 1>After seventeen or so years of marriage. I've said, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need more money. We have plenty for our needs

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<v Speaker 1>and our wants and things we've never dreamed of, but

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<v Speaker 1>we need you, and he just said I can't. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to build my business.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd spend twenty years prioritizing his work above everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't know how to shift gears. Maybe he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to, so Andrea made peace with the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>her husband would be around when he could be.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of raised, if you look for good

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<v Speaker 1>in others, you will find it. If you're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>bad things and looking to tear people down and to

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<v Speaker 1>hate them, you'll find reasons for that too. He was

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<v Speaker 1>gone a lot of the time, but when he was home,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be there for dinner and do other things

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Now, I don't think any life is completely perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a good life.

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<v Speaker 2>March seventeenth, two thousand and nine, was a really good day.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Saint Patti's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a little irish in the Merriman side of

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<v Speaker 1>the family, so I always tried to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>fun day. I had gold coins and I made green

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 1>pancakes and green milk for breakfast. As I sent my

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<v Speaker 1>kids off to school, I took fun photos of them

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in their Saint Patrick's Day attire. What I didn't

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.640
<v Speaker 1>know at the time was those were the last merrim

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>And family photos that I would ever take. The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>March eighteenth, unexpectedly, I was headed out on some errands.

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<v Speaker 1>I dropped my youngest child off at daycare to have

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<v Speaker 1>a babysitter while I quickly got some things done. And

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<v Speaker 1>Sean called me as I was driving down the highway

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, what are you doing? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you need something? He said, well, actually I

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping to spend some time with you this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, oh, well, I can turn around and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come and get you and you can do my

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<v Speaker 1>errands with me. And he said, no, I need you

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<v Speaker 1>to come home.

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<v Speaker 2>So she turned the car around and went back to

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<v Speaker 2>the house. He was waiting for her in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, I've been running Market Street Advisors for

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<v Speaker 1>the past sixteen years, but I need you to know

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<v Speaker 1>that every day when I got up and left and

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<v Speaker 1>went to work and was gone all day, I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually running a Ponzi scheme.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea thought that her husband, Sean had dedicated his career

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<v Speaker 2>to running his own investment firm, but then Sean confessed

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<v Speaker 2>that it was all a lie. Their life of luxury

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<v Speaker 2>was funded and stolen money. For the past sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been running a Ponzi scheme.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know what a Ponzi scheme was. I

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<v Speaker 1>had heard a Bernie maid off. I didn't pay too

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<v Speaker 1>much attention to those types of things. I knew he'd

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<v Speaker 1>done something wrong, but that's pretty much all I knew

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean explained that when he first started his firm was legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>but in his first year one of his investments went

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<v Speaker 2>south and he panicked.

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<v Speaker 1>So he omitted the five thousand dollars loss from his statement,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure he thought that he could make that

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<v Speaker 1>up with another trade, and then he never did so.

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 2>He kept fudging the books, selling people on his big wins,

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<v Speaker 2>and using money from new investors to pay old ones.

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<v Speaker 2>There were no million dollar trades or miracle investments. The

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<v Speaker 2>conversations he told her about, and all the financial documents

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 2>she'd seen were fake. He was a total fraud. His

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<v Speaker 2>clients had lost millions of dollars, some of them lost

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<v Speaker 2>everything they had. Not only did he lose other people's money,

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 2>all of their own money was gone too. The money

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 2>she'd inherited from her parents and their kids' college funds,

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<v Speaker 2>it was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he said, yesterday, in the company of my attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>turned myself into the US Marshals, to representatives of the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, and I will be going to prison. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he said the word prison, I about died. My

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<v Speaker 1>mind was just swirling. When he said that, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this cannot be real.

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<v Speaker 2>She thought back to all the Outlandis stories he told

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, like the one about saving someone's life

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<v Speaker 2>on a safari. Was any of it real? As the

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<v Speaker 2>reality set in, she tried to cling to anything she could.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to find the positive, like I'd been

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>raised to do. And I said, at least the house

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.919
<v Speaker 1>is paid off. And he said, no, you don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>The house is gone, the cars are gone, everything's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of felt like I was witnessing the apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember apologizing, saying, I'm so sorry, but I have

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.919
<v Speaker 1>to get out of here. And I got up and

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<v Speaker 1>I ran out, and I got in my car and

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<v Speaker 1>I took off up my driveway and started driving out

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<v Speaker 1>of my neighborhood. Uncontrollably, tears were just streaming out of

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea pulled over just minutes after leaving her home. She

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't see much less drive, and as she sat there

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<v Speaker 2>alone in her car, the weight of it all finally

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>hit her.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like everything had been destroyed. Everything was a

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<v Speaker 1>humiliation to me as well as a shock, as well

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>as deeply sad and devastating. My biggest wish and desire

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:58.679
<v Speaker 1>would have been to just walk to the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon and drop off the face of the earth,

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't because I had four kids relying on me.

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I was their only resource.

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 2>She had to keep going. So she made a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>When I went back to the house, I told him

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<v Speaker 1>that he was going to be the one to tell

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the kids. So that night we gathered our family together.

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>He was in a chair in the corner of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the couch across the room from him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told the kids, I have done something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I've made a little mistake. And from across the side

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>of the room, I am just furious, shaking my head, going,

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:49.919
<v Speaker 1>you've committed a crime. You've made huge mistakes over and

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>over every day, twenty four hours a day, three hundred

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and sixty five days a year. That is not one

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>little mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea was angry. The kids, they were terrified.

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I was standing there with four kids ages three to sixteen,

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>tears streaming down their face, looking at me for answers

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and strength. Before I could even say anything, my little

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>third grader said, does this mean You're going to divorce Dad?

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>She knew in that moment that the answer was yes.

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't an easy answer, though.

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I was so humiliated, humiliated to be married to a criminal,

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 1>humiliated at what he'd done, humiliated to know that I

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>would be getting divorced. I was raised that divorce is

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 1>not what you do. Knowing that I had been married

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 1>in a temple forever added a layer of difficulty, a

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>layer of guilt, a layer of regret.

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>But she was done. She couldn't be with a man

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 2>who had spent decades cheating so many others out of

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars. She would walk away, while making the

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>transition as easy as she could for her kids.

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I felt like my kids had been in such shock

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>that they probably needed things to be as normal as

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>possible in whatever ways they could be, So I fed

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>them that night. Sean stayed in the home with us,

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and he.

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Continued to stay in the home and come to family dinner,

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>just as he had for the last twenty years. Even

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>though Sean had turned himself in, the FED still needed

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>time to build a case against him, so they waited.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I even remember cooking dinner for my kids, saying, would

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>you like to call your dad and let him know

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>dinner's ready. I am appalled that I am doing this

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 1>for this man who's done this, but it was for

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>my kids. I was trying to be kind, set an

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>example of divorce and not changing who you are just

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>because you've been betrayed. You choose the right. You are kind,

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you are good to people, no matter what.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 2>The destruction of her life didn't happen all at once.

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>She watched it being taken apart, piece by piece. After

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks of this purgatory, she got a call

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>from the US Marshals. They set a date to come

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>to her house and seize the family assets.

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Pretty soon, up over the hill, I saw a caravan

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<v Speaker 1>of dark vehicles with dark dinted windows. They all pull

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<v Speaker 1>up in front of my house. Everybody starts getting out

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<v Speaker 1>of the cars. They're all in FBI or US Marshals jackets.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got their sunglasses, they've got their weapons, and they

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<v Speaker 1>come to my house. I think the only difference is

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<v Speaker 1>I knew they were coming, and they didn't break my

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<v Speaker 1>door down the doorbell. I let him in.

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<v Speaker 2>The authorities took everything of value, Sean's computer, his cars,

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<v Speaker 2>his art collection, and most of what Andrea owned too.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the thought you should hide some of your jewelry,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought what, No, that would be stealing. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know where you're going to live, how you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep your kids alive. You don't have a job,

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.959
<v Speaker 1>your parents are dead. If you could just end up

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>with something, then you'd have something to sell to start

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<v Speaker 1>a life with. And I went back and forth in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind a couple of times, and then I thought, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I am not going to abandon my integrity just because

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<v Speaker 1>the person I'm married to has and I left it.

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<v Speaker 1>I left it all in my jewelry box because I

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<v Speaker 1>am not compromising my ethics.

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<v Speaker 2>She watched all their belongings get carted away, and she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>Several of my neighbors at the house next door up

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<v Speaker 1>on the deck drinking bar arbicuing having a great time,

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>rejoicing in the downfall of my family and the asset seizer.

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Sean had scammed so many people, neighbors, friends, and family alike.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>She couldn't blame anyone for wanting him to pay, and

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 2>yet people wanted her to pay too, even though she

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>had done nothing wrong. She had been married to the

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Mormon made off as the media soon dubbed him. Even

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>neighbors and friends assumed that she must have known something.

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<v Speaker 1>One time, I was out front with my three year old.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just playing, you know, around the trees or

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<v Speaker 1>the bushes, and I could hear kitchin kitchin Kitchink, and

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<v Speaker 1>I turn around and one of my neighbors is over

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<v Speaker 1>the fence with a lens, photographing every move I make.

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<v Speaker 2>For the short time she had remaining in their house,

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>she was paranoid for the safety of her family, and

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<v Speaker 2>for good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the victims, who was also a neighbor in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood and who had lost probably all of his money,

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<v Speaker 1>came all the way up my steps, to my front porch,

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<v Speaker 1>to my front door with his loaded gun, ready to

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 1>blow Sean Merriman away and who knows who else before

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>he came to his senses, and he turned around and

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>went home without hurting anyone.

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Andrea wanted nothing more than to take her kids and

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>get out of that house, especially since Sean continued to

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>live there waiting to be taken to prison. It took

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>time ninety days for the divorce to be processed, but

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<v Speaker 2>then finally.

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<v Speaker 1>On July thirteenth, I drove to the courthouse with him

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<v Speaker 1>to finalize the divorce. We came home, I packed my

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<v Speaker 1>car with my two dogs and my kids, and I

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>moved that day. And I didn't say goodbye to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not look back. I drove away, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't look in the rear view mirror the whole way

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<v Speaker 1>out of Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>While Sean went away to prison, Andrea went to Utah. Thankfully,

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>she was able to leave her old life behind without

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 2>her husband's debt hanging over her head.

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I had to write my own divorce because I couldn't

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>afford an attorney. I made sure that I wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>he was responsible for his debts and I was responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for mine. Now credit card companies don't apparently have to

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>abide by that, but I think they saw that I

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was pennyless, so they didn't actually come after me.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 2>She and her kids moved in with her brother, and

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>a friend connected her with a job in marketing so

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that she could rebuild. But she was starting from nothing

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>for the first time in her life. She was worried

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>about having the money to eat.

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>For years, I would just have a knot in my

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<v Speaker 1>stomach every time I drove to the grocery store, thinking,

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I have to buy this food, but

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so much. I don't have money. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>just had to adjust.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of that adjustment meant facing her own self blame.

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I was ridden with guilt that I had enjoyed a

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>nice life at the expense of others. I remember Sean

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>said to me before we parted ways, well, at least

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 1>you got a lot of good trips out of it.

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 1>And I just looked at him and went, I hate

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 1>every trip I went on, I hate every photo, I

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>hate every memory. There was all kinds of guilt, Guilt

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>that I'd brought him into the lives of my friends

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and family that got shafted by him, Guilt that I

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>had chosen him to be the father of my children.

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.240
<v Speaker 2>She turned to the church for support and started meeting

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>regularly with a church leader.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, how are you doing? And I said, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I am trying to figure out how this happened. I've

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>tried to do everything right in my life. I've tried

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 1>to be a good wife, a good mother, again, good citizen,

0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a good person. How did I get here? And he goes, well,

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>in all of that, you forgot one thing, the agency

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>of the other person, the other person's opportunity to choose.

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>This is not on you. He did this. There's nothing

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you could have done. What I had to do was

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>recognize and forgive myself for the fact that I made

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the best decision I could with the facts I had

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:29.840
<v Speaker 1>at hand.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>But she also knew that she wanted to forgive Sean.

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>That was the only path forward.

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I had a couple of friends who'd gotten divorced and

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 1>who had not gotten past it. They were very, very

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.359
<v Speaker 1>hateful towards their former spouse, and I saw how it

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was impacting their kids and destroying their family. And so

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the one thing I knew was, we are going to forgive,

0:35:55.719 --> 0:36:01.279
<v Speaker 1>not for him, but for us, so that our hate

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 1>doesn't destroy us.

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Sean was ordered to pay twenty million dollars to his victims.

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 2>On top of that, he was sentenced to twelve and

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 2>a half years in prison. During that time, Andrea was

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a single mom. She raised her kids with honesty, kindness,

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<v Speaker 2>and forgiveness, just like her parents raised her.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>And my kids have turned out to be everything I

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>could have hoped for. Hard working, educated, they all help others,

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 1>they all have skills, They're kind, good people, and couldn't

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>ask for anything more.

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Andrea has been able to rebuild her own life too.

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<v Speaker 1>I can honestly say I am super happy today. I

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<v Speaker 1>am a homeowner, I have a great career that's been

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 1>so memorable. I've gotten to travel, I have done many

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>things that I've dreamed on. I've actually even remarried, if

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you can believe it or not.

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>She ended up married to another man in finance.

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Someone who is everything I thought I was getting but

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't get the first time and more. He's even tall

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and handsome.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And here's the kicker. After they got married, her new

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>husband started a second.

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Career as a fraud investigator, busting Ponzi schemes.

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<v Speaker 2>We end all of our weekly episodes with the same question,

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<v Speaker 2>why did you choose to tell your story?

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<v Speaker 1>Life can be good, That's what we're all here to

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>have and to be. I believe in being happy, So yeah,

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe I chose to be optimistic more than I should have.

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And I did smile when the smiles were totally fake,

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and I remember having my heart so broken it literally

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>ached in my chest. But I've plotted one foot in

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.439
<v Speaker 1>front of the other for a decade when I wasn't

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 1>sure if it was making any difference. But when you

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 1>lift your eyes up and you see you're on the

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>top of a mountain, that's a view worth all the

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>persevering for.

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 3>And minute I did that, I had this deep shame

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<v Speaker 3>flood over me like you've made a really grave error here.

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<v Speaker 3>You've divulged something super private and you'll now never know

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 3>why this person's in a relationship with you, because is

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:33.879
<v Speaker 3>it for the money or is it for you?

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