Speaker 1: Good morning everybody, Happy Friday, and more importantly, happy New Year,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. That's kind of a I don't I
Speaker 1: can't really wrap my head around that, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: Also, you clearly can't wrap your head around the dress code,
Speaker 2: which was baseball hat today, Crystal.
Speaker 1: Man, I fucked up. I'm already just days into the
Speaker 1: new year, already screwing everything up.
Speaker 3: Your hair look's way too good for a baseball hat.
Speaker 3: So that's that's the bright side.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I am a fan of
Speaker 1: a baseball hat. I'm also a fan, though, I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of visors, which I feel like are more of
Speaker 1: like maybe early two thousands coded. But my head is
Speaker 1: very small and usually I have to wear child size
Speaker 1: baseball hat, so the visor kind of solves that for me.
Speaker 2: I saw we were like planning a show in the
Speaker 2: group a few weeks ago, and I saw you wearing
Speaker 2: a visor, and I was like, damn, Crystal's bringing the
Speaker 2: visor back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, big fan of the visor.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 1: So lots of things going on. We're going to do
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's going to be not a full
Speaker 1: on show here. I don't think we're going to try
Speaker 1: to keep it a little bit brief, and I was
Speaker 1: telling you, yeah, right, I feel you were going to try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel sort of like I feel rusty. You know.
Speaker 1: Just taking this little bit of time off has been nice,
Speaker 1: and I think good for me to mentally reset and
Speaker 1: hopefully for you guys and for the crew as well.
Speaker 1: But I'm also like, do I still know how to
Speaker 1: do this?
Speaker 3: You're doing great, Crystal?
Speaker 5: In the comments, you decide, is she still going to
Speaker 5: do this?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 1: Should I just hang it up?
Speaker 5: Give up?
Speaker 1: That's it? Over?
Speaker 4: Any big resolutions this year, y'all before we begin, I haven't.
Speaker 1: You know, I've I haven't really been a big resolution person.
Speaker 1: Usually what I do is during this time period I
Speaker 1: try to think about, like what are going to be
Speaker 1: the big not just stories, but consequential events of the year.
Speaker 1: And you know, last year, I really was thinking a
Speaker 1: lot about AI, and I would say this year, I'm
Speaker 1: still thinking a lot about AI. So I've kind of,
Speaker 1: I guess, recommitted myself to I was also just talking
Speaker 1: to it about this to see if I can have
Speaker 1: less of just a doumer view of it and more
Speaker 1: of an aspirational like Okay, if this is coming, because
Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult to halt completely, what could
Speaker 1: we do that would make sure that the benefits are
Speaker 1: shared and that this isn't the end of democracy? That
Speaker 1: this isn't you know, the start of truly authoritarian like
Speaker 1: power consolidated in the hands of a handful of people,
Speaker 1: and people tossed down of jobs and just this utterly
Speaker 1: dystopian future, Like what is another envisioning of that? And
Speaker 1: I think it does make sense, like what Bernie's proposing,
Speaker 1: to sort of slow things down while people wrap their
Speaker 1: heads around and while that democratic process plays out, while that,
Speaker 1: you know, inspiration and ideas are percolating. But I'm trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, to try on less of a dumer mentality
Speaker 1: and more of like, okay, well, if this is coming,
Speaker 1: what could we do that would if there if they
Speaker 1: want to rewrite the social contract, Like what does that
Speaker 1: look like in a way that's actual beneficial?
Speaker 5: And what about you? What's your resolution this year?
Speaker 2: This is like very hard to follow Crystal's thoughtful point there,
Speaker 2: I don't really make resolute. I tried not to think
Speaker 2: about the new year in terms of like opening or
Speaker 2: like opening another chapter or anything like that. It's hard
Speaker 2: not to, but I don't really have any anything to say.
Speaker 2: I do remember Crystal saying this last year, and immediately
Speaker 2: I feel like your coverage became super, super helpful because
Speaker 2: you were literally doing the reading and going deep on
Speaker 2: it and brought that lens to the kind of news
Speaker 2: of the day stories.
Speaker 3: So maybe I should take a page out of your book.
Speaker 1: Emily's resolved to mog on more bitches this new.
Speaker 3: Year about the physiognomy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, you know what, I like, I lacked
Speaker 2: a scientific understanding of Sydney sweeney is facial symmetry and
Speaker 2: that I've realized that's a serious error on my part,
Speaker 2: and I pledge.
Speaker 3: To do better.
Speaker 1: You know, even as a Sydney Sweeney critic, I really
Speaker 1: hadn't explored the ways in which she's quote unquote malformed.
Speaker 3: See you didn't get.
Speaker 2: To the orbital Yeah, you didn't say any of that,
Speaker 2: which was neglectful.
Speaker 3: Griffin, do you have a resolution?
Speaker 4: My resolution was to investigate more more fraud into the podcast,
Speaker 4: like Breaking Points.
Speaker 5: So expect a camera crew knocking out.
Speaker 1: Showing up at places and demanding to see their children.
Speaker 4: We tape in the mornings here at breaking points. So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show up in the afternoons with the camera
Speaker 4: crew being like, where's Crystal, Where's Sager? They're not here,
Speaker 4: No show job. Let's look to the future. Let's get
Speaker 4: to the news, folks. It's a brand new year, and
Speaker 4: let's turn our eyes to New York City, where Zora
Speaker 4: Mamdani has been sworn in as mayor. Let's take a
Speaker 4: quick listen to a clip that's been getting some action.
Speaker 2: Long.
Speaker 6: These communities have existed as distinct from one another. We
Speaker 6: will draw this city closer together. We will replace the
Speaker 6: frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Campaign demonstrated that the people of New York yearn for solidarity,
Speaker 6: then let this government foster it, because no matter what
Speaker 6: you eat, how you pray, or where you come from,
Speaker 6: the words that most define us are the two we
Speaker 6: all share.
Speaker 5: New Yorkers.
Speaker 4: Well, all right, that was a taste from the inauguration.
Speaker 4: Crystal was so amazed by that she ran to New
Speaker 4: York City.
Speaker 1: To adjust that and also to let the cat in.
Speaker 5: Hop on the antrack.
Speaker 4: But Big Day Bernie was part of the inaugural ceremony.
Speaker 4: Zoron was sworn in in the old subway in the
Speaker 4: New York City with his wife, and what do we
Speaker 4: make this, guys?
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's extremely helpful, Like that line
Speaker 1: is so funny because I think it was very intentionally
Speaker 1: put in to spark a hole like oh my god, collectivism,
Speaker 1: like what's going on and sharia law and communism and whatever,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a funny.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the sort of thing that the writer
Speaker 1: is been pulling lately, like let me intentionally touch the
Speaker 1: hot stove and make people react to it. And he
Speaker 1: certainly got that. He certainly got that reaction. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's a few things. There's just the portrait of Bernie
Speaker 1: there swearing him in the official ceremony AOC there as well,
Speaker 1: So Bernie being so amazing photo Bernie just like delighted
Speaker 1: mouth escape with Eric Adams looking very stern above him.
Speaker 5: Great new mittens and blanket photo but this time a happy.
Speaker 1: One, but this time delighted.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so to see him kind of in a sense
Speaker 1: like passing the torch built to Zoron and AOC who
Speaker 1: may be you know, a contender in twenty twenty eight
Speaker 1: presidential or at least maybe running for the Senate against
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer was to me very poignant, and I think
Speaker 1: Zoron not only he really has a lot of intentionality
Speaker 1: around the symbols that he chooses. So you mentioned the
Speaker 1: initial swearing in happened in this sort of iconic subway
Speaker 1: shuttered subway stop under City Hall that is really beautiful,
Speaker 1: and you know, came from a time period when it
Speaker 1: was like, we're going to invest in public goods and
Speaker 1: we're going to make them really beautiful and really nice,
Speaker 1: and we're going to put thought and care into it.
Speaker 1: So that was a very thoughtful choice. Immediately after his
Speaker 1: swearing in, he goes to a red stabilized apartment building
Speaker 1: where the landlord has completely neglected. It's falling apart, roaches
Speaker 1: are coming in, pipes are rusted, tiles are falling apart,
Speaker 1: et cetera. That's where he chooses to not only tour
Speaker 1: the facility and to champion their cause and put official
Speaker 1: resources towards it, but also to sign his initial executive orders.
Speaker 1: I know he was. He arrived at the inauguration in
Speaker 1: a cab that was driven by a taxi cab driver
Speaker 1: who had previously done a hunger protest alongside so or on.
Speaker 1: So he just he's thought a lot about how to
Speaker 1: signal this is a different administration and it's being run
Speaker 1: for a different group of people. He also made sure
Speaker 1: in his speech to say, like, look, I was advised
Speaker 1: that now's the time to lower expectations, to do the
Speaker 1: like you know campaign and what's the thing campaign and
Speaker 1: poetry governan pros or whatever, but anyway to set the
Speaker 1: expectation smaller. He's like, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1: We are going to get out there and try and
Speaker 1: we may not always succeed, but we're going to think
Speaker 1: big and we're going to dream big. So you know,
Speaker 1: now the proof is going to be in the pudding.
Speaker 1: And I think he's well aware that the eyes of
Speaker 1: not just New York City, but the eyes of the
Speaker 1: nation are really on him whether this is or not,
Speaker 1: because this is the test. Now he will be held
Speaker 1: up of the as the example of like can the
Speaker 1: left govern or? Are these just sort of like these
Speaker 1: utopian pie in the sky ideals and what comes for
Speaker 1: when the rubber meets the road. They can't really deliver
Speaker 1: on any of these promises, and everyone just leaves with
Speaker 1: further nihilistic and with their hopes dashed.
Speaker 2: I'll add that it feels like an evolution for democratic socialism.
Speaker 2: And to Crystal's point about Bernie elated on stage, sort
Speaker 2: of watching the torch being passed, or that's too passive
Speaker 2: passing the torch. As Crystal said this, I think the
Speaker 2: flavor of Mayor Mom Donnie's administration that we've seen over
Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours looks like the growth into
Speaker 2: a more mature political operation of democratic socialism. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean upper case DA necessarily. I mean Bernie style
Speaker 2: democratic socialism. And I think we all saw with AOC
Speaker 2: she would probably say this, and there's a lot of.
Speaker 3: This in Ryan's book. By the way, there was a surprise.
Speaker 2: Among DSA types and AOC about the response I mean
Speaker 2: about beating Joe Crawley, like that was very surprising. When
Speaker 2: Mam Donnie beat Cuomo in the primary, very very surprising.
Speaker 2: But then I think with Zora and the office is
Speaker 2: so big, and he had so many months to campaign
Speaker 2: after the primary against the guy he beat in the primary,
Speaker 2: and that so many resources poured in.
Speaker 3: It's not just like a congressional seat.
Speaker 2: This is the mayor of New York City, and I
Speaker 2: think there's just been this deluge of concerted strategic thought
Speaker 2: that's gone into what this looks like. And we've seen
Speaker 2: that over the last twenty four hours. We're getting a
Speaker 2: I think a glimpse that this is going to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds obvious to say it, but it's
Speaker 2: another thing to see it. This is going to be
Speaker 2: the future of the lowercase DS democratic socialist movement. And
Speaker 2: just a couple of quick, kind of newsy points. I
Speaker 2: liked this Joe Philipovitch tweet because I sent this.
Speaker 3: In our DMS. But there were a couple of.
Speaker 2: Lines where I was like, ooh, this one, for example,
Speaker 2: was for too long those fluent in the good grammar
Speaker 2: of civility, of deployed decorum to mask agendas of cruelty,
Speaker 2: And Joe Philipovitch said, listen, I am as excited for
Speaker 2: the zorn Era as the next person, but I'm begging, begging,
Speaker 2: begging his speechwriters to allow him to talk like a
Speaker 2: normal person and not an Oberlin freshman writing a persuasive essay.
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting because.
Speaker 2: He doesn't normally talk like an Oberlin freshman writing a
Speaker 2: persuasive essay, and so it was, you know, there were
Speaker 2: the collectivism line. I thought, is it not my favorite
Speaker 2: as a conservative? It gives me chills as a conservative.
Speaker 2: But I see what Crystal's saying that It's like, this
Speaker 2: is he wants you to know that he is touching
Speaker 2: the third rail that he.
Speaker 5: Has to he whipped out.
Speaker 4: He whipped out like the iin Rand villain mode on
Speaker 4: this speech like collectivism.
Speaker 5: We're gonna so here for take it from the audience.
Speaker 2: If you're a villain in an Iron Rand novel, you're
Speaker 2: probably doing something right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's true, true, I I you know, I
Speaker 1: thought about I thought about that Jill Philipovitch tweet as well.
Speaker 1: And here's what I'll say. If he it really depends
Speaker 1: if he delivers on his promises or people feel like
Speaker 1: he is delivering, they feel like life is getting better,
Speaker 1: they feel like he's fighting for them. Then I think
Speaker 1: it's fine to lean into this very like intellectual level,
Speaker 1: you know, grown up level of campaign rhetoric. And I
Speaker 1: sort of disagree that this is different than his normal mode.
Speaker 1: He certainly has the ability to just like talk to
Speaker 1: people and come off as a normal person, which is
Speaker 1: really good and kind of unusual for a democrat of
Speaker 1: any any flavor. But when he does prepared speeches, he
Speaker 1: uses this kind of elevated rhetoric. I didn't see this
Speaker 1: as the first time. Now. What I did note is
Speaker 1: the tone was like, oh, now now that I've won,
Speaker 1: like I'm letting my like socialist freak flag fly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm letting it all out like this, this is
Speaker 1: how it's going to be, and you guys are going
Speaker 1: to eat it up and you're gonna see what we're
Speaker 1: going to deliver. That I did see, But in terms
Speaker 1: of the sort of like you know, elevated rhetoric and
Speaker 1: his approach to that, that to me felt consistent with
Speaker 1: other prepared speeches he gives, and even you know, when
Speaker 1: he speaks on in TV news interviews, et cetera, he
Speaker 1: does reach for sort of more more flowery language. And
Speaker 1: like I said, I think it just matters. If he
Speaker 1: can deliver, then people are going to love him and
Speaker 1: love all the aspects of him. And if he can't
Speaker 1: and if you know, the administrations is a shambles and
Speaker 1: can't deliver on any of the key promises, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like he's fighting for those key promises then I
Speaker 1: think it's going to land very hollow and overwrought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that sounds I know, I think that's true.
Speaker 2: But but that to me is interesting as the This
Speaker 2: is one thing that I think AOC did well and
Speaker 2: poorly when she first entered the scene was that it
Speaker 2: was like, sometimes it did sound like the Oberlin freshman,
Speaker 2: and then sometimes she's really good at talking like just
Speaker 2: the bartender and well Kart.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just gonna say where I distinguish is
Speaker 1: she used a lot of the academic language around, like
Speaker 1: intersectionality and that sort of stuff, whereas Zoran's you know,
Speaker 1: I watched this whole speech and I read the transcript
Speaker 1: again this morning. It's very grounded in class politics. So
Speaker 1: in that way, just on a substantive level, it's different
Speaker 1: from you know, some of the critiques I also had
Speaker 1: of of AOC's language at a certain time, although now
Speaker 1: I think that she is also a pretty effective communicator.
Speaker 1: The other thing that people are freaking out about is
Speaker 1: this is kind of kind of clever in a way.
Speaker 1: So Zorn rescinded all of the Eric Adams executive orders
Speaker 1: from after he was indicted for fraud because he said, look,
Speaker 1: this is when he lost the trust in New York City,
Speaker 1: So anything after that time is being swept out. And
Speaker 1: a number of those executive orders had to do with
Speaker 1: like pro Israel stuff. So one was like some sort
Speaker 1: of a ban on bds, and the other one was
Speaker 1: the codifying of this definition of anti Semitism that conflates
Speaker 1: anti Zionism with anti Semitism. And so rather than just
Speaker 1: like targeting those specific pro Israel executive orders, he's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that was done after he was indicted
Speaker 1: for corruption, all of that is being tossed aside. And
Speaker 1: of course the like you know, the the more like
Speaker 1: right wing Zionist types are freaking out about these particular
Speaker 1: executive orders, and so oh look, see Zara's already coming
Speaker 1: for the Jews or whatever. But but you know, I
Speaker 1: think anyone who listened to how he campaigned would say,
Speaker 1: he certainly has a mandate to make the government of
Speaker 1: New York more neutral to Israel then, you know, certainly
Speaker 1: than Eric Adams and other New York City mayors have
Speaker 1: positioned the government in the past.
Speaker 4: And we've got some polling here, mom, Donnie is up
Speaker 4: five in national net favorability in this New York Politics
Speaker 4: poll was negative fourteen. In September, we got AOC plus
Speaker 4: one here as well, Hochel down six, Trump down twenty,
Speaker 4: Adams down twenty three, and Cuomo at the bottom here negative.
Speaker 1: Adam's more popular than CMA. So funny.
Speaker 5: They should have run him again.
Speaker 3: They should have run Erica.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me and Emily have been saying this for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was.
Speaker 1: Still gonna lose, though. I mean, he had the lowest
Speaker 1: favorability rating of any mayor in New York City's history.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there was any stop in the zoomentum.
Speaker 3: No, there was no stopping the zoo.
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, I think just the point that
Speaker 2: you made, Crystal is when you look at how democratic
Speaker 2: socialism surged in America's populist moment around ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Now it's twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: So twenty sixteen, that's crazy. We're exactly a decade out
Speaker 2: from Bernie surge. It has clearly gone back to something
Speaker 2: that looks a lot more like what Bernie would have
Speaker 2: had it look like had those I mean, there's this
Speaker 2: this moment where Bernie is campaign in twenty sixteen. An
Speaker 2: activist sees the microphone from him, and he sort of
Speaker 2: seeds the spot and it's very academic, jargony type language.
Speaker 2: And so I do think that what we're seeing right
Speaker 2: now is a smarter, more mature, you know, ten year
Speaker 2: in project. And if you're somebody who believes in the
Speaker 2: democratic socialist project, you should be enormously, enormously hopeful about
Speaker 2: what you saw in the last twenty four hours, which
Speaker 2: was again a professional, political, concerted operation with a mature
Speaker 2: strategy as to like bringing in people on a class basis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, some people on the
Speaker 1: left already have been and upset with the decisions that
Speaker 1: are kind of you know, sort of like hard knows
Speaker 1: political tactics, like deciding not to endorse Toosa against to
Speaker 1: King Jeffries, pushing him not to run in that race,
Speaker 1: some of the administration choices, so you know, some of
Speaker 1: those things I think as governing reality sets in, I
Speaker 1: think going to be difficult for a lot of people
Speaker 1: on the left to swallow, myself included. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think he is trying to approach it from eyes
Speaker 1: on the prize. I need to do what I got
Speaker 1: to do to deliver, and that's the you know, the
Speaker 1: number one, first and foremost priority. And then the last
Speaker 1: thing I'll say here, which will set us up for
Speaker 1: our segment on Gavin Newsom and Jade Vance, Mogging and
Speaker 1: Clovicular and all of that, is as we look forward
Speaker 1: to the future of our politics, we are going to
Speaker 1: get a lot of answers in this year, in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six about what the future of the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: is going to look like, because there are so many
Speaker 1: primary challenges across the country, some of them high profile
Speaker 1: that we've spoken about, some of them under the radar
Speaker 1: that we haven't spoken about, and that we don't even
Speaker 1: know about. There are so many contests which are being
Speaker 1: set up right now just in the Democratic primaries that
Speaker 1: are really going to set the tone for what the
Speaker 1: future of this party is. Are they going to hang
Speaker 1: on to the neoliberal let's try to preserve the institutions,
Speaker 1: let's try to cling to the status quo and modestly
Speaker 1: improve it, or are we going in a more radical direction.
Speaker 1: I think the base is going to send some very
Speaker 1: strong messages on that point this year, which is one
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm very excited for us to
Speaker 1: be able to track together. So that's going to be
Speaker 1: something to watch and then of course in the general
Speaker 1: election to see you know, do these the swing that
Speaker 1: we saw in twenty twenty five towards Democrats and that
Speaker 1: we've seen in these special elections where you know, people
Speaker 1: are flipping twenty points towards Democrats. Does that sustain and
Speaker 1: do we have something you know, really quite consequential in
Speaker 1: terms of a wave election or you know, do we
Speaker 1: get a surprise as we have in the past when
Speaker 1: we expected wave elections and they didn't arrive.
Speaker 4: Well to that point, let's mog on over to Clavicular
Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty eight race.
Speaker 5: Now, do you guys know who Clavicular is?
Speaker 1: Like I do now I'm recorded. I recorded an interview
Speaker 1: for KKF with Taylor Lorenz, who you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's her job to know about these characters. And she
Speaker 1: said she went deep on him maybe like four months ago,
Speaker 1: and she just posted something on her channel. So I
Speaker 1: have been educated now in the clavicular full lore and
Speaker 1: origin story.
Speaker 4: So for those listeners who aren't on the algorithm, I
Speaker 4: would describe as evil TikTok.
Speaker 5: There is a man named Clavicular.
Speaker 4: He's kind of in some ways like the New young
Speaker 4: Andrew Tate and that he is sort of a male
Speaker 4: icon for younger men. But this guy, ye, well for
Speaker 4: this group, for enough enough people that we're talking about
Speaker 4: him now and that he's on shows. Yeah, he is
Speaker 4: a looks maxer, which means he would take rocks or
Speaker 4: pebbles and hit them on his jaw to bruise his
Speaker 4: bones to make them stronger to I guess he believes
Speaker 4: give him a stronger jaw line to become more of
Speaker 4: an alpha Chad. He also does a medley of drugs
Speaker 4: to keep his figure, including like low grade amounts of
Speaker 4: meth uh. He does obviously all the other gender affirming
Speaker 4: care trt He is, in a lot of ways trance
Speaker 4: so to male, he's male to male.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's male to alpha male. Y.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's.
Speaker 1: Good I should say. And actually this is just to
Speaker 1: help people understand how extreme the things that he does are.
Speaker 1: He's been taking some form of like steroids from the
Speaker 1: time he was fourteen, and he's actually sterile now because
Speaker 1: of what he has taken. So yeah, his yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he talks about this publicly. This isn't news, and
Speaker 1: so his whole his whole thing is this very nihilistic
Speaker 1: sort of in cell pick up artist adjacent philosophy of
Speaker 1: the world is screwed. It's very hard to get ahead.
Speaker 1: The deck is stacked against you. And the best thing
Speaker 1: that you could do to be able to get women
Speaker 1: and have some sort of success is to look smax.
Speaker 1: To take these extreme like the ethos of the bodybuilding
Speaker 1: world and apply that not just to your body but
Speaker 1: also to your face.
Speaker 5: American Psycho Garnish on top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I was gonna say, it's very it's
Speaker 2: very niche, and that's the like underpinning of American Psycho,
Speaker 2: this idea that you can be the superman.
Speaker 3: And Rodrere has been talking about.
Speaker 2: How we're in Ymar America, but this is actually like
Speaker 2: and his has a totally different take on well actually
Speaker 2: maybe not that different, but on uh, anti Semitism and
Speaker 2: all of that. But when he's talking about Wymar America,
Speaker 2: he particularly zeroed in the other day on Clovicular and
Speaker 2: was like, this is so dangerous because you're getting into
Speaker 2: a place where the Fringes are now prouder and prouder
Speaker 2: about reducing people to their physical worth, and it's very
Speaker 2: eugen it's extraordinarily eugenicsy and he this was like last
Speaker 2: year the rights viral fight was over H one B's.
Speaker 2: This year it was Michael Knowles having clivicular on and
Speaker 2: just like dead ass asking him about JD.
Speaker 3: Vance. And that's where Griffin.
Speaker 5: Which we got a clip, which we got a clip
Speaker 5: right here, let's take a look.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: But I mean, like this next election cycle, who's going
Speaker 8: to win? It's going to be Gavin Newsome against JD.
Speaker 8: Vance because JD Vance is ub human and Gavin Newsom
Speaker 8: ogg'stance as subhuman.
Speaker 3: What makes you say that?
Speaker 8: Uh, he's got a very short total of facial wit
Speaker 8: the height ratio, he's a very resessed side profile, whereas
Speaker 8: Newsom is like six' to Three, Chad.
Speaker 9: So You're JD's Very JD's got to be Sell.
Speaker 5: Gavin newsom Obviously mogson to. Death SO i prefer to
Speaker 5: the vice. President i'm just telling you who's gonna? Win
Speaker 5: do you prefer him?
Speaker 3: Them, honestly.
Speaker 8: It's it's hard to, say But newsome being that much
Speaker 8: more of a, mauger and like having a president who's
Speaker 8: like fat and especially.
Speaker 5: That, young do you think HE'S i don't think he's.
Speaker 5: FAIR i would say he's a bigger.
Speaker 8: Guy for.
Speaker 5: Sure he's just like.
Speaker 8: It's just, embarrassing, like how are you you? Fat and
Speaker 8: you expect to like lead a country you can't even
Speaker 8: be you, know so you like you got let's say
Speaker 8: you've got to.
Speaker 9: Vote it's twenty Eight i'm voting, Now Gavin.
Speaker 5: Newsom you're ready For gavin News you can't be That.
Speaker 5: Hanby that's up Human.
Speaker 2: See you got all?
Speaker 9: Right, well this actually is of a thread with the
Speaker 9: whole conversation because you look at these two. Candids you
Speaker 9: Have Gavin, newsom worst governor in the. COUNTRY i think
Speaker 9: we would all, agree destroyed his, state let its main
Speaker 9: city burn to the ground because of his. Incompetence is a, personal, complete, derelict, liar.
Speaker 9: Degenerate but he is good. Looking i'll grant you. That
Speaker 9: he's good looking and kind of looks Like Patrick, Bateman american.
Speaker 9: Psycho and then and then you have this vice president
Speaker 9: To President, trump the transformative right wing president in our.
Speaker 9: Lifetimes who do you Support trump or?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay so you got and you got this vice
Speaker 9: president hand picked By, trump who is extremely, intelligent very right.
Speaker 9: WING i think he's a pretty good looking. GUY i don't,
Speaker 9: know MAYBE i guess you, Disagree but is all these things,
Speaker 9: checks all these boxes would have all these great, policies
Speaker 9: and regardless you're going to pick the pro mass, migrant
Speaker 9: pro trans pro murder the, babies pro burn the cities
Speaker 9: to the, ground PRO, blm demo crat because he's skinnier
Speaker 9: than the conservative vice.
Speaker 5: President one hundred times. Over i'm you, Know i'm so
Speaker 5: mad At.
Speaker 4: SAGER i tried to Get sager to do this interview
Speaker 4: and he was, like, NO i don't know.
Speaker 5: If we should do. It.
Speaker 1: Interview they could have Been sager getting mogged on The
Speaker 1: Soger mogg the there you, go there's. Okay so there's
Speaker 1: a lot that's interesting about. This first of, All Michael
Speaker 1: knowle's doing this interview to start With Daily wire's not doing.
Speaker 1: Well you, know they're losing subscribers and because people are
Speaker 1: going bored to these type of. Characters so the choice
Speaker 1: to do this, INTERVIEW i think is in a, sense
Speaker 1: in a sense like an attempt to maintain relevance and be, like,
Speaker 1: Look I'm i'm down with, these you know, characters these
Speaker 1: new kid, streamers Like i'm good with.
Speaker 4: This and Then goles is pretty good at that in
Speaker 4: particular on The Daily, wire Like shapiro is not really,
Speaker 4: evolving But roles is kind of getting out.
Speaker 1: There but but, yeah SO i, mean but then you,
Speaker 1: know it's this conversation doesn't like go that well for.
Speaker 1: Him and it's funny BECAUSE i watched most of the whole,
Speaker 1: thing and it's Like clovicular is sort of taking to
Speaker 1: the logical extreme some of the arguments that people Like
Speaker 1: Michael knowles has been. Making so there's been this whole
Speaker 1: thing on the ride about like beauty and beauty is not,
Speaker 1: subjective it's not an eye of the. Beholder it is
Speaker 1: a like established. Fact and also like playing with these
Speaker 1: sort of like eugenics type, ideas and so, yeah For
Speaker 1: clavicular to go to the logical extreme of, like, Yeah
Speaker 1: Gavin newsom looks Like Ai slop of The Aryan chad
Speaker 1: with the Perfect aryan. Family that's my. Guy and and
Speaker 1: we should also Say clavicular ohs in some sense his
Speaker 1: rise To nick fuent has like they're also very like
Speaker 1: adjacent and friendly. Creators fuentez and The gropers also hate
Speaker 1: Jd vance because he's a race, trader because he married
Speaker 1: An indian woman and because he has biracial kids and
Speaker 1: those things sort of like these things sort of fit
Speaker 1: together as. Well but the other THING i, noted just
Speaker 1: specifically about that clip is When noles first asked, him, like,
Speaker 1: so do you Prefer Gavin, Newsom he's, like, YEAH i guess.
Speaker 1: So but then by the end of, it when he realizes, like,
Speaker 1: oh this is getting a rise on. Him, yeah like
Speaker 1: he's he's like losing his mind over. This by the,
Speaker 1: end he's, Like i'd vote for him a hundred times,
Speaker 1: over you, know just completely like all in on. It
Speaker 1: And i've seen another interview clip with him since then
Speaker 1: where he's he's sort of, like, OH i was, trolling
Speaker 1: so giving himself some wiggle room to kind of like
Speaker 1: back out of, this But newsom is leaning into it.
Speaker 1: Hard you, know there's other creators online who are also,
Speaker 1: like you, know PEOPLE i don't even know who they,
Speaker 1: are but other right wing creators who were, like you,
Speaker 1: Know Jadie vance is chonky and fat it's a no for,
Speaker 1: me and posting The Gavin Newsom chad. Photos Gavin newsom
Speaker 1: is posting those, photos posting like ugly picks of Jad
Speaker 1: vans from when he was, younger and pudgy er and
Speaker 1: like didn't have the beard and. Whatever so that's that's
Speaker 1: where we, are that's the state of our politics.
Speaker 2: Today Maybe clovicular should go To marine's boot camp and
Speaker 2: then have words for J d Versus Gavin. NEWSOM i
Speaker 2: think the conversation about like beauty is an interesting invocation
Speaker 2: here because a lot of WHAT i, see including for
Speaker 2: myself on the, right is this question about nature and
Speaker 2: how when we're in such an antiseptic like high tech,
Speaker 2: world we do lose natural some degree of natural beauty
Speaker 2: because everything is. Artifice everything is being constructed in less
Speaker 2: and less natural.
Speaker 3: Ways not, everything but you, know the metaverse.
Speaker 2: Was all we were talking about The New, year what
Speaker 2: like five years ago, something, yeah five years ago something like.
Speaker 5: That but.
Speaker 2: With that in, Mind clavicular is TOTALLY i think making
Speaker 2: the point And Gavin newsom as, well about how natural.
Speaker 2: Looks you you can't like replicate Natural uh this is
Speaker 2: this is so, Stupid but, like you can't replicate natural
Speaker 2: good looks by hammering your jaw and injecting your face
Speaker 2: with with. Fillers you can do something that looks LIKE,
Speaker 2: X y OR. Z, right you could create an artifice
Speaker 2: of the, natural but you. Can't actually it's it's not.
Speaker 2: Natural so it doesn't look, natural and you get into
Speaker 2: that uncanny. VALLEY i obviously watch a lot Of Real.
Speaker 2: Housewives i'm incredibly, familiar uh with these these, efforts but
Speaker 2: in all serious, yeah with the looks back from, women,
Speaker 2: right but, like you, can't it's not. Natural and at
Speaker 2: the same, time the people Like clavicular are trying to
Speaker 2: frame it as totally, natural as like this is it
Speaker 2: is the nietzsche perspective that what we have is power and,
Speaker 2: strength and, uh he will stop at no ends to
Speaker 2: construct power and, strength even if it means and taking
Speaker 2: all of these high tech, medications hammering his drug whatever it.
Speaker 3: Is and it's not.
Speaker 2: Attractive and, HONESTLY i think the same thing About Gavin,
Speaker 2: newsom like he's just he looks Like Patrick.
Speaker 1: Bateman well that's the thing is none of these either
Speaker 1: jimbro trend or this Looks maxing trend or even Like
Speaker 1: Gavin newsom as this you, know Undisputed, chad none of
Speaker 1: these things are for the female. Gaze they're also the male. Gaze, still,
Speaker 1: YEAH i, mean.
Speaker 5: And so it's like it's.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i, mean it feels very sort of like, homoerotic
Speaker 1: Because i'm, like you actually number, one you hate, women,
Speaker 1: RIGHT i mean not all looks, maxers but many have
Speaker 1: this total antipathy towards, women and you know talk about
Speaker 1: women are whoes and you, know ruining our lives and
Speaker 1: all this. Stuff, right this stuff is very adjacent to
Speaker 1: like in cell, ideology pickup artist's, ideology Like manisphere, stuff
Speaker 1: like it's it's all very, similar, Right so they hate,
Speaker 1: women and then the ideal chit chad mail that they're
Speaker 1: trying to craft is much more based on what a
Speaker 1: man's idea of aspirational male beauty would would. Be SO
Speaker 1: i don't, know they're.
Speaker 4: Literally they're literally sar love and to this point about
Speaker 4: LIKE i watched this Clip emily AND i was, Like
Speaker 4: republicans are so. Screwed like they were relying on like
Speaker 4: the spirit Of trump to carry them for like thirty more,
Speaker 4: years and then The epstein thing, happened and now people
Speaker 4: are already looking into what's next and the and no
Speaker 4: one likes any of the any of the lineup behind,
Speaker 4: that which is like THIS.
Speaker 5: Jd gavin. Thing they're okay With, gavin and then.
Speaker 4: This is Dark maha and not just the The trump
Speaker 4: stuff and sort of like the future of the. Leaders
Speaker 4: but this core sense Of republican conservatism was always about, family,
Speaker 4: right protecting the, family and this new generation seems to
Speaker 4: be transcending the need for family or like feeling, like,
Speaker 4: well and IF i can't own a house or have a,
Speaker 4: family why not reject the entire. Concept and Something i've
Speaker 4: been seeing with conservatives, is you, know either it's clavicular
Speaker 4: saying he's, sterile and.
Speaker 5: He doesn't he's actually doing it for, men not.
Speaker 4: Women i'm seeing people Like Asmen, gold another big conservative,
Speaker 4: YouTuber SAY i will never have a girlfriend, again like
Speaker 4: as a positive. Thing AND i still See Andrew, tait
Speaker 4: who's been for years saying it's gay to have a.
Speaker 4: Girlfriend so it seems like these like TEN c stuff, Too,
Speaker 4: yeah that it's literally gay to have sex with. Women
Speaker 4: and so it's like all these influencers are sitting to
Speaker 4: like carve and guide out a path that's like post
Speaker 4: women and like post even having any, children or you,
Speaker 4: know continuing the human.
Speaker 3: Race, well and that's BECAUSE i think it's.
Speaker 2: Important Like tate particularly frames it as about power and,
Speaker 2: strength and, again like these are ideas that are relegated
Speaker 2: to The. FRENCH i mean there's there's for, now there's
Speaker 2: a reason we're laughing at that interview Between knowles And
Speaker 2: clovicular Because clivicular it's it's like, frontos, right that people
Speaker 2: mistake the size of their audience for the size of people's.
Speaker 3: Endorse they're, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, right, right entertain believing every word of. It they are.
Speaker 2: Extremely, entertaining, Right and the reason that they're extremely entertaining
Speaker 2: is because there were all of these taboos, created and
Speaker 2: those taboos were getting pinned i think rightfully to the
Speaker 2: left for the last.
Speaker 3: Ten, years and it made a lot of young men.
Speaker 2: Totally miserable and vulnerable to this kind of thing and
Speaker 2: wanting to just reject The what they felt like was
Speaker 2: the tightening of the strictures and the status quo and
Speaker 2: the cultural centers of power that they felt like we're emasculating.
Speaker 2: Them and to some, extent there's truth to. That but
Speaker 2: on the other, hand when you're, unmoored you are much
Speaker 2: more easily like blown by the wind in one direction
Speaker 2: or the. Other and it's all about, power that's What
Speaker 2: that's what these guys are talking. About the end of the
Speaker 2: day is like what you should value is, power and
Speaker 2: that's really not funny because.
Speaker 3: That could go to a very very dangerous, place very very.
Speaker 1: Quickly, well and it's all about power because they are.
Speaker 1: POWERLESS i, mean this is to me less about you,
Speaker 1: know a backlash the left or, whatever Although i'm not
Speaker 1: saying that there's none of that in. Here but this
Speaker 1: is about where we are in late stage, capitalism where
Speaker 1: men have been told by society that their entire worth
Speaker 1: comes from being able to, provide being able to make
Speaker 1: money and provide for a household and a wife and you,
Speaker 1: know kids and all of, that and then they've been
Speaker 1: robbed of the ability to do, that and so out
Speaker 1: of that you, know extreme place that our society has
Speaker 1: come to with extreme wealth, inequality where there is very
Speaker 1: little hope that people be able to you, know obtain
Speaker 1: the even the life that their parents, had even though
Speaker 1: some of that's huge Through rhodes colored. Glasses that's how
Speaker 1: you end up with this very nihilistic sea of extremely nihilistic.
Speaker 1: VIEWPOINTS i, mean that's you, know that's, fantasism which is you,
Speaker 1: know effectively Neo. Nazism it's it's race. Nihilism of this
Speaker 1: is just how the world is we can't fix, it
Speaker 1: we can't make it. Better we just have to deal with.
Speaker 1: It it looks, nihilism where it's, like, listen if you look,
Speaker 1: better you get, ahead and that's just the way the world.
Speaker 1: Is and then create an exaggerated version actually of how
Speaker 1: bad the world is because there are obviously plenty of.
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i, Mean Donald trump is not good looking and,
Speaker 1: fat and he's president of The United. States but you,
Speaker 1: know so it's a caricaturist view of. Reality but rather
Speaker 1: than having an aspiration of, like, well let's tackle, that
Speaker 1: let's make it so that you don't just judge the
Speaker 1: book by its. Cover let's make it so that there's
Speaker 1: better opportunity for, people regardless of you, know how they
Speaker 1: look on the. Outside it's, no this is how it.
Speaker 1: Is and SO i am going to succeed by the
Speaker 1: rules of this system no matter what it, takes because
Speaker 1: there are so few other roots left open to. Me
Speaker 1: and with clvicular in, particular you, know he he talks
Speaker 1: so first of, all he says he is on the,
Speaker 1: spectrum he's. Neurodivergent he talks about how in high school
Speaker 1: he had trouble fitting, in you, know had the sense
Speaker 1: of like you, know people are getting, dates people are
Speaker 1: getting invited to, parties on being left out what's going on?
Speaker 1: Here and then he goes to college and he gets
Speaker 1: kicked out in like three weeks.
Speaker 3: Time yeah he's nineteen by the, way, right nineteen years.
Speaker 1: Old, exactly and he talks too about how he wishes
Speaker 1: he could just go to college and be a normal college.
Speaker 1: Kid and it's after he gets kicked out in college
Speaker 1: he starts being a bouncer at these NIGHTCLUBS i think In,
Speaker 1: miami and that's where he develops this sense of, like,
Speaker 1: oh the good looking guys get the. Girls that must
Speaker 1: be what life is completely. About and then applies, this you,
Speaker 1: know in his view like scientific and again very, eugenicsy you,
Speaker 1: know assessment of what is beauty and how CAN i attain?
Speaker 1: It because this must be the path. Forward so he
Speaker 1: is a perfect you, know he's a perfect emblem of
Speaker 1: the hopelessness THAT i, think you, know really faces not just,
Speaker 1: men everybody in the you, know end stage capitalistic society
Speaker 1: that we face right. Now so it's not to deny people,
Speaker 1: agency but it is to recognize that no one should
Speaker 1: be surprised that we have these weird nihilistic fringe viewpoints
Speaker 1: that are coming to the.
Speaker 2: Four, yeah THE I a was thinking The Latchian post
Speaker 2: recently about how this is a crazy. Stat more young
Speaker 2: men say they want to get married than young, women
Speaker 2: and when young women are looking at young, men it
Speaker 2: becomes a little bit clearer as to why young women
Speaker 2: are maybe saying we are going to check out of
Speaker 2: this marriage.
Speaker 1: Thing and there are some good thanks reason.
Speaker 2: See, Yeah And griffin made a POINT i don't want
Speaker 2: to gloss, over which is For, republicans is there a
Speaker 2: kind of rhyme to what happened as we were talking
Speaker 2: about earlier in the, show back in twenty sixteen and then,
Speaker 2: beyond especially twenty twenty For democrats where some of these
Speaker 2: like hyper online meme level like liberalism was being pinned
Speaker 2: to Every democratic. Candidate you, know things that were going
Speaker 2: on in classrooms like just think of The libs of TikTok.
Speaker 2: Account just think about that and how powerful that, was especially.
Speaker 3: Like around twenty.
Speaker 2: Twenty does that, then because of our totally fractured media,
Speaker 2: landscape mean the claviculars of the world start to infect
Speaker 2: the way average voters Perceive.
Speaker 3: Republicans and the answer to this is.
Speaker 2: Not people are not prepared for this at THE, rnc
Speaker 2: just as they weren't prepared for at THE, dnc because
Speaker 2: the answer is absolutely, yes absolutely. Yes he has a big,
Speaker 2: platform and he is speaking as somebody who is Pro Donald.
Speaker 3: Trump he is not like a conservative.
Speaker 2: Influencer he's not a conservative radio, host like a local
Speaker 2: radio host. Circuit, say, right you could you could call
Speaker 2: Up mike when he was a local radio host In
Speaker 2: indiana in the nineteen nineties and be, like, hey come
Speaker 2: to our. Retreat you, know maybe he's getting a little. Chippy,
Speaker 2: uh come to our, retreat be a, speaker, whatever and
Speaker 2: you can whine and dine a radio. House so like
Speaker 2: you have more. Control if you're the r N, c
Speaker 2: you have no control. Anymore these are all but.
Speaker 3: Decentralized but here's the other.
Speaker 1: Thing like THE Dhs twitter account is posting about deporting
Speaker 1: one hundred million. People that's every non white, person citizen
Speaker 1: and non in the entire. Country that's a third of the.
Speaker 1: Population they post Like nazi stuff on their main account
Speaker 1: all the, time just. OVERTLY i, Mean Steven miller is
Speaker 1: every bit as extreme As Nick fuentes Or clovicular or.
Speaker 1: Whoever so like. Entertaining yeah, right, yeah just way less.
Speaker 4: Entertaining there's one years to the piece of a nation
Speaker 4: no longer besieged by The third, world and it's a
Speaker 4: car on the beach with a.
Speaker 1: Wave, actually by the, way they stole this artwork from
Speaker 1: A japanese, artist by the.
Speaker 5: Way and also this Is.
Speaker 1: America it Says america after one hundred million, Deportations so
Speaker 1: again that's not criminal or legal. Ale that is a
Speaker 1: third of the, population that is every non white person
Speaker 1: in the. Country so, like of course people are going
Speaker 1: to associate these fringe ideologies with this administration because this
Speaker 1: administration has a fringe ideology that it puts out to
Speaker 1: the public every single.
Speaker 3: Day, WELL i think we're.
Speaker 2: Just going to see more political mainstream quote unquote. Mainstream
Speaker 2: like nothing is as mainstream now as it was when
Speaker 2: we had more.
Speaker 3: Monoculture and SO i think.
Speaker 2: WHAT wo is, like there's more more fringe is going
Speaker 2: to be incorporated into the quote mainstream in the future
Speaker 2: because of the total decentralization that you DON'T i guess
Speaker 2: it's part of the good and bad of losing gatekeepers
Speaker 2: is that it's, like on the one, hand it's good
Speaker 2: because we benefit from the gatekeepers being, gone meaning that
Speaker 2: we can do. This on the other, hand when the
Speaker 2: gatekeepers are, gone it means you have to contend with
Speaker 2: the bad actors in that space, too and they do
Speaker 2: start to really change. Things the last THING i will
Speaker 2: say On clavicular is that we laughed earlier At zoron's
Speaker 2: collectivism line BEING i saw this on at someone said
Speaker 2: the GRIFFIN mati sounds like an Iron rand. Villain and
Speaker 2: what's interesting to me about that is Ein rand was
Speaker 2: the Took nietzscheism to its, extreme and this idea that
Speaker 2: power is what mattered did start to change the way
Speaker 2: influence the way that the right approached capitalism and the
Speaker 2: right approached. Culture and Iron rand was virulently Anti, christian
Speaker 2: was anti, religious which was the case with everyone who
Speaker 2: was downstream Of nietzsche in the twentieth century in that
Speaker 2: kind of stream of. Thought and that's again extraordinarily dangerous
Speaker 2: because what you're starting to see physically as a symbol
Speaker 2: in ridiculous figures Like, clavicular trickles more and more into policy.
Speaker 2: Too if you think this is just people looking at
Speaker 2: themselves looks, maxing it's. Not it's it's going to be power.
Speaker 2: Maxing it's going to be it's going to be polymarket,
Speaker 2: maxing which we're doing in different sectors of.
Speaker 3: The economy right now.
Speaker 2: Too and so it's basically saying the only thing that
Speaker 2: matters is, strength the only thing that matters is, power
Speaker 2: and that's. Horrifying, again there's a real danger that migrates
Speaker 2: from the.
Speaker 1: Fringe it's a very dark view of. Life that's probably
Speaker 1: a good Segue griffin to The Nick shirley talking about
Speaker 1: speaking of influencer culture and bad actors and all of
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff and how much power they.
Speaker 4: Have, Now, emily we got to talk about Detective, surely
Speaker 4: the gum shoe.
Speaker 5: Reporter what's going on?
Speaker 4: Here, emily there was a there was a YouTuber Named
Speaker 4: Nick shirley who went Around, minnesota walked up to some
Speaker 4: daycare centers and they didn't let him.
Speaker 5: In break it down for, US.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if we have like an element to put up
Speaker 2: on the, Shop we'll pull something.
Speaker 5: Up.
Speaker 2: Yeah over the last couple of, weeks this really broke
Speaker 2: right Before. Christmas from remembering, correctly it's hard to keep
Speaker 2: the day straight right. Now But Nick, shirley who's a
Speaker 2: pretty big kind of write coded. Influencer you see the
Speaker 2: video on the screen OF cnn going to talk To
Speaker 2: Nick shirley In minneapolis as he's investigating the massive fraud
Speaker 2: ring that you, know he was like seventy eight people
Speaker 2: have been charged something like that. Already he goes and
Speaker 2: knocks on the door of daycare, centers places that are
Speaker 2: purporting to treat, autism those types of, things and post
Speaker 2: a video that just in the last couple of weeks
Speaker 2: has gone mega. VIRAL i think it has like three
Speaker 2: million views on YouTube as of the time that we're
Speaker 2: talking about, this and many many more views on other.
Speaker 2: Platforms it's basically taken what everybody had heard about in
Speaker 2: the last, month which was the story people have been
Speaker 2: shouting for the rafters about In minneapolis for.
Speaker 3: A long, time and not just people on the.
Speaker 2: Right by the, way the article That i've cited the
Speaker 2: most is a twenty twenty four piece in The Minnesota
Speaker 2: reformer from A somali former government official who was, saying
Speaker 2: this is a real, problem here's what's going, ON, X
Speaker 2: y AND, z and so surely's tactics made for very
Speaker 2: compelling viewership because you could see in some of the
Speaker 2: cases like he's been reinvestigated BY cnn AND npr and
Speaker 2: different outlets who've called.
Speaker 3: All the places that he went.
Speaker 2: To you can see very clearly in some of the
Speaker 2: cases that it's shady and that they're kind of.
Speaker 3: Fronts but but it's gonzo and.
Speaker 5: Most of them he got.
Speaker 4: Wrong like so the flaud is. Real there is real,
Speaker 4: fraud like hundreds of millions of dollars of. Fraud but
Speaker 4: the places that he went to were. Real he, like
Speaker 4: could there's a real fraud and he couldn't even get
Speaker 4: to the right, ones, right like healked not all of, them.
Speaker 3: But, yeah some of them actually.
Speaker 5: Turned because for one of, them he came.
Speaker 4: Early so like one of them was a daycare that
Speaker 4: opens at, two and he came there at like eleven.
Speaker 3: Am that's what it sounds.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah and there were others where they were just
Speaker 1: like this man and a whole crew are pounding on
Speaker 1: our door and demanding to see our. Kids no, Thanks
Speaker 1: we're not opening the door for, you you, know.
Speaker 3: And the better circumstances you wouldn't let him.
Speaker 1: IN i, mean, Listen, like this guy is a. Propagandist
Speaker 1: he had previously gone To israel and did a whole
Speaker 1: propaganda piece for them about how moral they are and
Speaker 1: all the lies that the palace and blah blah, blah
Speaker 1: like this is who he. Is this is not, journalism
Speaker 1: is completely shoddy intentional propaganda.
Speaker 3: That you should see His seacott. Videos that's oh. Boy.
Speaker 4: Yeah we also we got to hear we got to
Speaker 4: hear his. Voice that's important. Too let's just take a
Speaker 4: second of him OF cnn confronting, Him crystal before you
Speaker 4: finish your.
Speaker 1: Point, okay, yeah great.
Speaker 10: Doors and talk to people at various daycares he claims or.
Speaker 10: Frauds did you come during our normal operating hours when
Speaker 10: you came to?
Speaker 7: VISIT i came at eleven, AM i, believe AND i
Speaker 7: also came the following day later in the. Day the
Speaker 7: point of it is not whether or NOT i came
Speaker 7: at the right at the right time.
Speaker 5: Of their operation.
Speaker 7: Hours the point is that blocked out, doors they can't
Speaker 7: give you any. Information you call that, number no one.
Speaker 7: ANSWERS i wasn't trying to go, inside and they there
Speaker 7: should be a way for somebody to actually to call
Speaker 7: that number and somebody be an.
Speaker 5: Answer these aren't real, Businesses but surely.
Speaker 10: You don't think a daycare should just be. Unlocked you
Speaker 10: shouldn't be able to just walk into your. Reception, no
Speaker 10: every daycare is.
Speaker 7: Locked and so, okay you bring upoint the information how
Speaker 7: to enroll a child.
Speaker 5: Because you don't have a.
Speaker 4: Child and then there's one more moment, here really, Good,
Speaker 4: yeah let's try this moment.
Speaker 10: Here do you think that BETTER La enforcement hasn't done?
Speaker 10: ENOUGH i mean they would, say, look these front cases
Speaker 10: have been going, on but they've already done like eighty.
Speaker 10: Indictments the cases have been going, on you know for.
Speaker 7: Years why DID i show up one Day minnesota and
Speaker 7: go to all these daycares no? Children they're receiving millions
Speaker 7: of dollars being covering one million dollars in fraud in one.
Speaker 10: Day how do you know that all the allegations that
Speaker 10: you're making are?
Speaker 7: True how DO i know that they're? True, well we
Speaker 7: showed you guys That we showed you guys what was,
Speaker 7: happening and then you guys can go ahead and make
Speaker 7: your own.
Speaker 10: Milk we're coming so we can make our own. Analysis
Speaker 10: are you one hundred percent sure you're?
Speaker 2: True?
Speaker 5: YEAH i am a hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Sure the, sweatshirt, incredibly the sweatshirt does the Infamous Quality Leering,
Speaker 2: center which is the name of one of the day
Speaker 2: cares with misspelled.
Speaker 3: Learning so what happens.
Speaker 1: Here what happens here is he films this bullshit propaganda,
Speaker 1: video which, like, okay the most you should do from
Speaker 1: this is then if you're genuinely concerned about, fraud which they're.
Speaker 1: Not trump is like spending every day pardoning a bunch of,
Speaker 1: fraudsters like that's his whole administration is like a grift
Speaker 1: and like stealing everything that's not nailed down and pardoning
Speaker 1: white collar criminals left and. Right so they don't actually
Speaker 1: give a shit but Present George Santos george, okay so
Speaker 1: also but in any, case so they you, know if
Speaker 1: you actually care about, this, okay, well let's see if
Speaker 1: he's you, know really onto something. Here let me call
Speaker 1: these day care, centers let me do some, investigation let
Speaker 1: me press the state of government Of. Minnesota does that? Happen,
Speaker 1: No Jade vance retweets. IT i don't, know Don junior,
Speaker 1: bunch other like government officials just pick it up and
Speaker 1: run with, it do and because they don't care whether
Speaker 1: it is true or. Not in, Fact i'm sure these
Speaker 1: are Not Jade vance is not a stupid. Person i'm
Speaker 1: sure he is probably suspects that a lot of this
Speaker 1: is not actually, true but it serves their. Propaganda so
Speaker 1: not only do they take it and run with it
Speaker 1: with zero, checking but they use it for official government.
Speaker 1: Policy so now not only are all of the childcare
Speaker 1: pain ins the state Of minnesota paused based on this absolute,
Speaker 1: garbage propaganda, bullshit but they are now saying they're going
Speaker 1: to pause all childcare subsidies to every state in the entire.
Speaker 1: Country like this IS i, mean this has genuine, consequences
Speaker 1: and this administration we're supposed to be like pro family
Speaker 1: blah blah, blah and also in favor of people being
Speaker 1: able to like go and work. Hard how are you
Speaker 1: going to go out and hold a job if your
Speaker 1: daycare center is now shut. DOWN a lot of these
Speaker 1: places are run very you, know it's they don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of extra. Bandwidth so if you have your
Speaker 1: subsidies cut for a month or even a handful of,
Speaker 1: weeks that center may be. Closed your childcare costs have just.
Speaker 1: Skyrocketed so THAT'S i, mean it's just disgusting to. Me
Speaker 1: but LIKE i, said it serves their. Propaganda in terms
Speaker 1: of you, know they want to they want to make
Speaker 1: it about we hate, immigrants we hate Black muslim immigrants in.
Speaker 1: Particular it also is, like, oh undercutting the social safety
Speaker 1: net and undercutting the. Gesto it's all just. Fraud you,
Speaker 1: know they're not really doing anything. Beneficial and it also
Speaker 1: is not lost on me and this point that others
Speaker 1: have made as, well that it comes at a time
Speaker 1: When israel has taken a major beating with the right
Speaker 1: and with the public in general in terms of their
Speaker 1: perception their view is the best way to combat that
Speaker 1: is by Stoking. Islamophobia and now here you go with
Speaker 1: the guy who did you, know propaganda For israel coming
Speaker 1: in to do this Anti somali like fundamentally like Anti
Speaker 1: islamophobic propaganda as. Well SO i think those, things you,
Speaker 1: know are worth noting that those are happening in.
Speaker 2: Parallel there are, THOUGH i Think ryan AND i read
Speaker 2: from this was A Minnesota reformer article THAT i just
Speaker 2: referenced By SOMALI i think worked at the in THE
Speaker 2: ag office In, minnesota talking about how there were real
Speaker 2: cultural components of, this and actually this article was also
Speaker 2: saying some of the biggest victims of this Were somali
Speaker 2: people who you, know were being.
Speaker 3: Caught up in this massive effort and that.
Speaker 2: LISTEN i think our federal subsidy system is so like
Speaker 2: rife with fraud that there are plenty of white people
Speaker 2: who are out there like defrauding taxpayers and the, government
Speaker 2: but there were even like there are somalies to say
Speaker 2: there's a cultural component to. This SO i don't think
Speaker 2: it's entirely just a question of like Stoking.
Speaker 3: ISLAMOPHOBIA i think there were.
Speaker 2: Maybe we all agree on, this that there were concerns
Speaker 2: In minnesota about, that.
Speaker 1: Which is why The biden administration prosecuted some like seventy
Speaker 1: eight people or, whatever you. KNOW i, mean that's and
Speaker 1: that's the thing is like it makes me sick to
Speaker 1: See Elon musk jumping in on this like a, brother you, did,
Speaker 1: doge how many people did you refer for criminal prosecution of? Fraud?
Speaker 3: Zero?
Speaker 1: Zero? Okay so, yeah, SURE i. Agree by the.
Speaker 2: Way the biggest subsidy queens are The Elon musks of
Speaker 2: yes the, World.
Speaker 1: Yes completely, Yes and so you, know like if you're
Speaker 1: serious about, it AND i think that people on THE
Speaker 1: i agree With, RYAN i agree With rocana that people
Speaker 1: on the left should be concerned about fraud and these
Speaker 1: programs because it does delegitimize them when it comes forward
Speaker 1: and from someone who believes in a social safety net
Speaker 1: and universalist, programs LIKE i think a lot of What
Speaker 1: minnesota did was really great and really. Important so you
Speaker 1: have to be serious about. Fraud this is not the
Speaker 1: way to do. It demonizing an entire group of people
Speaker 1: going off of some bullshit propaganda video honestly, undercuts you,
Speaker 1: know anyone who's serious about, this like undercuts their position
Speaker 1: in seriously investigating this. Stuff, instead you do like What
Speaker 1: rocana is doing In, california where he, said, look there
Speaker 1: was a report that said there is a significant amount
Speaker 1: of fraud. Here we need to have a. Commission we
Speaker 1: need to root this. Out we need to figure out
Speaker 1: where these dollars are going so that taxpayers feel like
Speaker 1: their money is being well, spent like there are real
Speaker 1: and serious ways to go about. It the idea that
Speaker 1: these people have any interest in this when at the
Speaker 1: very same time he's pardoning some you, know white collar
Speaker 1: criminal who stole over like a billion dollars and then
Speaker 1: denying people restitution that they're owed who were victimized by
Speaker 1: these crooks who like took them for all they were
Speaker 1: worth In ponzi, schemes et. Cetera, like let's be, serious
Speaker 1: they don't. Care they just care because it's. Useful there
Speaker 1: a political, project.
Speaker 4: And trump literally pumps and dumps the entire economy with
Speaker 4: his like crypto coins and stuff like.
Speaker 1: That like the biggest fraudsturer in the.
Speaker 4: World i'm, confused are do we like it or? Not,
Speaker 4: like is it based or not to do. This i'm
Speaker 4: confused BECAUSE i think they're just following the great tradition
Speaker 4: of our.
Speaker 5: President, well, NO.
Speaker 3: I mean it's A i think maybe the BIGGEST i don't.
Speaker 2: Know one of the bigger takeaways from this is the
Speaker 2: like it's a media story in that The New York
Speaker 2: times waiting into The somali fraud case is what then
Speaker 2: elevated it into the national. Discourse In, minnesota this has
Speaker 2: been a huge story for, years like, years, years years
Speaker 2: like twenty, seventeen twenty, eighteen even before, that and.
Speaker 3: When The New York times covered.
Speaker 2: It my, perspective as somebody on the, right is this
Speaker 2: should have been a national story or more more significant
Speaker 2: national story for a long, time just given the scale
Speaker 2: of The illaedge fraud it's so serious and significant and
Speaker 2: the treasures are insane that it was downplayed and when
Speaker 2: The New York times comes in elevates the. Story you
Speaker 2: still have a lot of people on the right who
Speaker 2: are frustrated with a lack OF i think understandably frustrated
Speaker 2: with a lack of media coverage prior to The New
Speaker 2: York times coming, In and that happens so. Often The
Speaker 2: New York times comes in elevates a. Story, Springfield ohio
Speaker 2: is a really good, example and then people on the
Speaker 2: right will go berserk in response to, that and it
Speaker 2: completely shifts the conversation to something. Different and that's what
Speaker 2: With Nick. Shirley this kid's a YouTuber who went around
Speaker 2: with a dji mic and an iPhone with a couple
Speaker 2: of security dudes and was just like knocking on. Doors
Speaker 2: didn't have presumably didn't have like an editor or a
Speaker 2: fact checker or anything like. That you put out a
Speaker 2: forty minute YouTube video that was like fairly entertaining and
Speaker 2: went like caught like. Wildfire and that's now the tone
Speaker 2: setting in, Politics like that's how the conversation is getting
Speaker 2: set going, forward and there's just nothing that we can.
Speaker 3: Like that's how it is the way it.
Speaker 1: Goes, yeah that's the last Thing i'll say. That it's
Speaker 1: been irritating me as well AS i see all these
Speaker 1: posts that are like where's the mainstream media? Coverage i'm,
Speaker 1: like this literally all started because of A New York times,
Speaker 1: Piece like y'all weren't doing anything on this until The
Speaker 1: New york like the establishment outlet wrote this. Piece and
Speaker 1: Then i've also seen all these, oh look at all
Speaker 1: these outlets that haven't covered, it and then you go
Speaker 1: and look and they, have and you, know a bunch
Speaker 1: like like there's a bunch of videos now local, news
Speaker 1: Even Barry WEISS'S, cbs THE, CNN ps and like a
Speaker 1: bunch of these outlets have gone out now to be, Like,
Speaker 1: okay well what's really going on? Here but because those
Speaker 1: outlets aren't feeding the narrative that they, want then they
Speaker 1: discount that like that doesn't count because you're not just you,
Speaker 1: know feeding into this this smear campaign that we we
Speaker 1: want to see.
Speaker 5: Here, WELL i think he's The Andrew callahan the.
Speaker 4: RIGHT i think it's incredible that they the right now
Speaker 4: has an ugly guy doing man on the street stuff
Speaker 4: Uncovering So i'm excited for the next investigation in the
Speaker 4: next national news story From Nick. Shirley, uh anything else
Speaker 4: that we need to cover in this in this? Hour uh, Here,
Speaker 4: crystal what Anything you're dying to get.
Speaker 5: Out The ACTUALLY i.
Speaker 1: AM i am dying to get a little bit into
Speaker 1: this billionaire, mountdown just Because i've been somewhat involved with.
Speaker 1: It so if we so, Drop, Yeah i'm a. Millionnaire,
Speaker 1: yeah millionaire.
Speaker 4: Town So david sax here, says as a response to,
Speaker 4: Socialism miami will REPLACE nyc as the finance capital And
Speaker 4: austin will REPLACE sf as the tech.
Speaker 1: Capital it's funny Because miami just elected A democrat as mayor,
Speaker 1: too so that's. Lol And austin is always. Democratic but. Whatever,
Speaker 1: anyway this is all in response To, okay there is
Speaker 1: a possibility that there may be a ballot proposal on
Speaker 1: the ballace In california about a five percent well taxed
Speaker 1: to be paid over five. Years and it's a coalition
Speaker 1: of unions who are pushing, this and So, rocanna who
Speaker 1: knows a lot of these, guys you, Know david sax
Speaker 1: has actually hosted fundraisers For. Rocana came out and was,
Speaker 1: like this is good AND i support. It que and
Speaker 1: absolute meltdown from these. Dudes AND i think it's because
Speaker 1: it's and because he Represents Silicon, valley and because LIKE i,
Speaker 1: said they know. Him it feels like more of a.
Speaker 1: Trail LIKE i think IF aoc said something, SIMILAR i
Speaker 1: don't think they would really. Care but because It's, row
Speaker 1: they're like losing their minds over. It and then and
Speaker 1: what you have up, HERE i think is you now
Speaker 1: have a bunch of these tach billionaires who Very acman
Speaker 1: style are coming out online to announce that they're going
Speaker 1: to put all this money together to try to Unseat.
Speaker 1: Row and they say primary. Him I'm california has jungle.
Speaker 1: Primaries they don't really have primes whatever they want to challenge, him,
Speaker 1: right this is going to be. Unsuccessful but they're throwing
Speaker 1: a complete temper tantrum about. It and so you, know
Speaker 1: there's threats that they're going to leave the state and
Speaker 1: they're going to go To, austin or they're going to
Speaker 1: go To miami and the whole deal.
Speaker 4: For This Howard, casado he, Says roe has done a speed,
Speaker 4: run alienating every MODERATE i know who supported, him including.
Speaker 4: Myself beyond being totally out of touch with that faction
Speaker 4: of his. Base he's devolved into an obnoxious. Jerk at
Speaker 4: least that makes voting him the fuck out all the more.
Speaker 4: Gratifying oh, guy time to primary.
Speaker 5: Him count me. In happy to be involved at any.
Speaker 1: Level, yeah there was one of THESE i can't remember
Speaker 1: who it was from that was, like he's just acting
Speaker 1: like a full On Bernie brode, now And i'm, like my,
Speaker 1: brother my brother In. Christ he was literally co chair
Speaker 1: Of Bernie sanders'. Campaign, like what are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: There and they're happy to your point About David sachs
Speaker 2: hosting fundraisers For row and then talking About miami And
Speaker 2: austin relatively blue. Places austin in, particular they didn't care
Speaker 2: about that when they Thought democrats were on their.
Speaker 3: SIDE i mean this the case was so many of.
Speaker 2: Them they believed that they could kind of co opt
Speaker 2: democrats and then realized that Basically trump was much much
Speaker 2: easier to co. Opt was It traumoth who basically said
Speaker 2: that to? It was Like pete booda judge or somebody
Speaker 2: who was on all. In he was, LIKE i would
Speaker 2: try to call The biden administration and get them to
Speaker 2: work with, me and they weren't taking my. Calls and
Speaker 2: it's just like it's not about even like left or
Speaker 2: right this because this is like such a we're tying
Speaker 2: a bow on the whole episode. Here it's about who
Speaker 2: gives them, power, uh and how they can be like
Speaker 2: strong players in the economy and they believe in their
Speaker 2: core that they know what is, best and what's best
Speaker 2: is them having a ton of control in the.
Speaker 1: Marketplace, yeah they are deeply authoritarian. PEOPLE i, mean they genuinely,
Speaker 1: are and that's What so they hated The biden administration
Speaker 1: for regulating. Crypto they hated The biden administrations AND i just,
Speaker 1: PUSH i mean The biden, ministry like there was very
Speaker 1: little in terms OF ai regulation that was actually, done
Speaker 1: but the little bit that was, done they absolutely had
Speaker 1: to take it. Seriously, yes and then you also have
Speaker 1: these sort of series of personal. GRIEVANCES i recommend you
Speaker 1: guys watch the INTERVIEW i did With Jacob silverman about
Speaker 1: his Book Gilded, rage because he did all the fantastic
Speaker 1: reporting about these. Guys you also have these personal things where,
Speaker 1: like you, know they were pissed off that their employees were,
Speaker 1: woke or In elon's, case the fact that his son
Speaker 1: transitions to being you, know a girl that really bothered
Speaker 1: him on a personal. Level so you have and then
Speaker 1: you HAVE i think It's andreasen who's upset because his
Speaker 1: daughter goes to college and becomes a. Communist so you
Speaker 1: have this sort of like upset over being regulated combined
Speaker 1: with these sort of like personal limitations on their power
Speaker 1: and domain over either their family members or their. Employees
Speaker 1: that leads to this absolute embrace Of. Trump and so
Speaker 1: in any, case to take it back To california and row.
Speaker 1: Here you, know if you look at the polling on,
Speaker 1: this it's like seventy percent of the country that things
Speaker 1: billionaire should be taxed. More, Right it is an overwhelming,
Speaker 1: consensus not just Among, democrats the entire country that billionaires
Speaker 1: are not tax tax enough and should be taxed, more
Speaker 1: especially AS ai is coming and the circles back to
Speaker 1: you know WHAT i was talking about early on and
Speaker 1: thinking about what is this going to mean for our
Speaker 1: society and what could a social contract look like that
Speaker 1: would actually. Work the track we're on right now is
Speaker 1: to have a handful of trillionaires and everybody else, basically
Speaker 1: like you, Know lamps's the slaughter irrelevant. Unneeded that's where we're,
Speaker 1: headed and democracy can't. Survive that's a. Dum there's just
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Whatsoever so in any, case, this
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of all of that is a
Speaker 1: very modest, proposal, right they. Don't but the fact that
Speaker 1: it's even potentially on the table, again this hasn't even
Speaker 1: made it on the belly, yet but even potentially on the,
Speaker 1: table and that their representative In Silicon valley would champion
Speaker 1: it has led to total. Meltdown and so you, know for,
Speaker 1: me it reminds me a little bit of why there
Speaker 1: was such a freak out About zoron In New. York
Speaker 1: not only is he confronting cap but also on the
Speaker 1: you know that he's an avowed Anti, zionist and there's
Speaker 1: this sense, like, oh you could never held that position
Speaker 1: In New York, city of all, places and so For
Speaker 1: roe to hold this position In Silicon valley of all,
Speaker 1: places has a, similar similar character and similar, Flavor and
Speaker 1: is WHY i think it's an important political political battle
Speaker 1: that is brewing.
Speaker 2: HERE i, mean when the twenty seventeen tax cut was,
Speaker 2: passed this is how seriously The Republican party is about
Speaker 2: actual like closing loopholes and you, know actually having a fair.
Speaker 2: Taxation so some Paw ryan was out there talking about the.
Speaker 2: Proposal it's long circulated on the right to get your
Speaker 2: taxes onto a postcard and essentially a version of the flat,
Speaker 2: tax some type of version of the flat, tax and
Speaker 2: it all obviously was not.
Speaker 3: Happening it's all out the.
Speaker 2: Window they have this generational opportunity to close loopholes and
Speaker 2: create a more fair taxation. System they then just RepA
Speaker 2: asked a version of that same bill and are expending
Speaker 2: no political capital to closing. Loopholes there's a. WAY i,
Speaker 2: Mean i'm a flat tax person and we've talked about this.
Speaker 2: Before but if, YOU i, think if, you if these
Speaker 2: like libertarian business, superman we're serious about populism and which
Speaker 2: they're obviously, not but we're serious about opposing, elites then
Speaker 2: you can do taxation in a way that closes loopholes
Speaker 2: and is still to them free market.
Speaker 3: Friendly but nobody has any.
Speaker 2: Appetite they might say in the, abstract oh that sounds,
Speaker 2: good but when push comes to shove and stuff's actually
Speaker 2: on the, table nobody, ever, ever, ever ever.
Speaker 3: Wants to do.
Speaker 2: It so you could even see momentum from the right
Speaker 2: to do something like a flat tax if you have
Speaker 2: all of this generational political. Capital but we, didn't AND
Speaker 2: i think that tells you what type of system people really.
Speaker 1: Prefer, YEAH i, MEAN i hate a flat, tax but
Speaker 1: we can find about that another, day regressive, Whatever but your,
Speaker 1: POINT i, mean your point stands. It here's one THING
Speaker 1: i replied to one of these GUYS i don't even
Speaker 1: remember which one, with BUT i was, like, listen in a,
Speaker 1: Sense rokana is like kind of trying to save your ass,
Speaker 1: Here like he calls a wealth tax an anti revolution,
Speaker 1: tax and he's absolutely. Right like do you think people
Speaker 1: are just gonna stand by forever and watch you destroy their,
Speaker 1: jobs destroy their communities with YOUR ai data, centers steal their,
Speaker 1: water hike their electric, bills and they're just gonna take it?
Speaker 1: Forever Like, NO i, mean this is this was The New.
Speaker 1: Deal the deal in The New deal was that capital, Realized,
Speaker 1: okay we're gonna have to do something here or else
Speaker 1: we're gonna end up with, communists like they're gonna end
Speaker 1: up taking our. Shit it's not gonna be better for
Speaker 1: us if we don't do some sort of you, know
Speaker 1: smoothing the rough edges of. Capitalism and it's crazy to
Speaker 1: me that none of these guys see. THIS i, mean
Speaker 1: it really is genuinely insane to me that they don't
Speaker 1: recognize that if they don't cut the public in on the,
Speaker 1: deal and they, don't they already have more money they
Speaker 1: could ever spend in a. Lifetime, like if you don't
Speaker 1: strike some sort of a balance, here it's going to
Speaker 1: be way worse for you in the long. Term the.
Speaker 1: Public And i'm not just talking About, democrats like they hate,
Speaker 1: you they hate, you they think you are. Villains listen
Speaker 1: to you, know listen to not only democraph listen To Steve,
Speaker 1: bannon listen To Nick, Flints like there is a make
Speaker 1: Very Tim. Dillon, look there is a very broad coalition
Speaker 1: of people, who by the, way rightly see you as
Speaker 1: genuine villains and despise. You so in the grand scheme
Speaker 1: of things like a one percent for five years wealth
Speaker 1: tax or five percent in five years wealth tax is
Speaker 1: such small. Potatoes and so for, me that's the other
Speaker 1: part of this that's, important is like it just shows
Speaker 1: you there is zero recon with, That like even something
Speaker 1: that is a relatively in the grand scheme of, things modest.
Speaker 1: Proposal there's no, like OH i don't think this is
Speaker 1: the right way to do, It let's do this. Instead
Speaker 1: it's just absolutely. No we will give you. Nothing we
Speaker 1: will take our toys and, leave we will. Go some
Speaker 1: of them are like we'll go to a different, country zero.
Speaker 1: LOYALTY i don't any Of, YEAH i don't, know because
Speaker 1: look what's. Happening, yeah After zoran got, elected there were
Speaker 1: more luxury real estate, sales right because there's reasons people
Speaker 1: want to be In New, york there's reasons people want
Speaker 1: to be In Silicon. Valley those things are going to.
Speaker 1: Persist so while SOME i MEAN i DON'T i got.
Speaker 5: The effect here from the independent, sales.
Speaker 1: Maybe there will be a handful of like high profile
Speaker 1: people who very dramatically like take their toys and go
Speaker 1: the Way elon left For texas or. WHATEVER i don't put, that,
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't put that out of the. Question but,
Speaker 1: overall Is miami you're going to give him the finance
Speaker 1: like get out of? Town Is austin going to out
Speaker 1: Do Silicon valley in terms of tech investment and? NOT
Speaker 1: i mean it's nowhere close to. That it's. Preposterous it's a.
Speaker 1: Fantasy so, ANYWAY i think this is the this is
Speaker 1: the fight that The Democratic party needs to take, on
Speaker 1: and if if they want to win back the trust
Speaker 1: of the, people if they want to be able to
Speaker 1: deliver like meaningful change in the country and you, know
Speaker 1: a genuine populism that's actually going to be beneficial and
Speaker 1: help to bring the country back. Together these are the
Speaker 1: types of fight fights that they're they're going to have
Speaker 1: to take. On and you, Know Gavin, newsom by the,
Speaker 1: way is on the other side of. This just to
Speaker 1: go back To Gavin newsom takes money from these, guys
Speaker 1: is raising money to oppose this ballot, Proposition like you,
Speaker 1: know is is definitely on the wrong side of which
Speaker 1: way you would want The Democratic party to. Go but he,
Speaker 1: Mogs but but he does. Mog so what are you gonna?
Speaker 4: Do you, know me and me And David, Sachs we're
Speaker 4: going to be in A miami penthouse doing low grade
Speaker 4: amounts of meth.
Speaker 1: Uh finance with a, hammer.
Speaker 4: Yeah and, wow WHILE Jd vance gets a catastrophic amount
Speaker 4: of ozembic shipped to his house like he's it's just
Speaker 4: gonna be insane FOR. Jd the next couple of, years
Speaker 4: there's gonna be another. Transformation uh, well, FOLKS i think
Speaker 4: you're doing it Our friday. Episode oh, yeah it's gonna.
Speaker 4: Be we're gonna see, something but crazy before after he's.
Speaker 3: Already had the.
Speaker 2: Transformation the, Eyeshadow, oh the beard. Shadow he grew a.
Speaker 2: Beard he lost probably like thirty.
Speaker 3: POUNDS i don't know how.
Speaker 1: Changed his name like five different. Times. YEAH i think WITH,
Speaker 1: jd it's gonna be it's gonna be tough for him
Speaker 1: because they bank so much on the, vibes you, know
Speaker 1: and like he does, it the vibes are not WITH.
Speaker 1: Jd but we'll.
Speaker 5: See, yeah all.
Speaker 4: Right, well, folks the vibes are good here On january,
Speaker 4: second twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Six we're excited for a big.
Speaker 4: Year anything else that we need to mention before we
Speaker 4: sign off and see you back in studio On.
Speaker 1: Monday, yeah regular schedule next. Week Whether i'm prepared for
Speaker 1: that or, Not that early wake up calls can be
Speaker 1: gonna be. Rough so you, know the real, Problems these
Speaker 1: are the real problems That i'm facing in my.
Speaker 3: Life you know who's ready for?
Speaker 2: IT i Bet sager is he is just, waiting is
Speaker 2: alarmed to go off in the.
Speaker 3: Dark you know he's so.
Speaker 1: Excited, well you know, what now that he's a, father
Speaker 1: you start to like work becomes easy once you have,
Speaker 1: kids because he's, like parenting is so much. Harder so
Speaker 1: he probably is looking forward to, like CAN i get
Speaker 1: away from this baby for a little bit of? Time
Speaker 1: just like let me go and be an adult for
Speaker 1: a little bit of.
Speaker 3: TIME i love.
Speaker 4: It And uh to the, audience we're so grateful for.
Speaker 4: You we're hoping you're having a great start to the new.
Speaker 5: Year and in the comments of this, video let us
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Speaker 4: Year anything that you think that we haven't covered, enough
Speaker 4: things that you'd like us to look, into things on the.
Speaker 4: Horizon we're interested to hear what you think as, well
Speaker 4: and that'll do it for.
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Speaker 4: Monday.
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