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Speaker 1: Welcome to Friday, October twenty eighth. Welcome to the Just

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Speaker 1: Baseball Show. I'm Peter Rouffle. That's Arm lateon and Jack

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Speaker 1: mcmullens fired. He's done from the Just Baseball Show. Just

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Speaker 1: wasn't cutting, it wasn't using the little X in front

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Speaker 1: of his numbers, just giving us bad predictions over and

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Speaker 1: over again. Just kidding, He'll be back. That was a

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Speaker 1: small joke. I hope you. Yeah. Now just announcing fall state.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Manscape, use code twenty percent, yeah or just baseball.

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Speaker 1: But this is the MLB first team, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Just Baseball. You're gonna see MLB come out with theirs.

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Speaker 1: You're going to see a bunch of publications, but you

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Speaker 1: know that these are the real answers to the tests.

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Speaker 1: This is the answer, right, Arm, isn't a dance.

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Speaker 2: Of course, no one else matters. Only our first MLB

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Speaker 2: team here, which I actually we just fleshed it out.

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Speaker 2: We tried to poke a hole in each of them,

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Speaker 2: and I mean we'll talk about some of the more

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Speaker 2: sticking point ones that were a little bit more debatable,

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Speaker 2: but I feel really good about this one. There's none

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Speaker 2: that I'm like, I don't know, like we were all

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Speaker 2: kind of an agreemance on this.

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Speaker 1: And that's why Jack was fired because he gave us

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Speaker 1: this rough draft, and then we went through and we

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Speaker 1: poked as many holes as possible, and we had to

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Speaker 1: remove some guys because we will talk about how close

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Speaker 1: some people were, but normally, you know, we do a

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Speaker 1: lot of honorable mentions, and we will mention a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys. But if you weren't good enough, tough luck.

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Speaker 1: This is the MLB first team. If your favorite player

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Speaker 1: wasn't mentioned, sorry, wasn't good enough? Bad players, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're not first team, and why are you

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Speaker 2: even playing baseball right now? That's the crazy thing, though,

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Speaker 2: I do want to highlight one thing is the talent

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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. It's cliche, we say it a lot,

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Speaker 2: holy crap when you really have to pick a first

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Speaker 2: team and you just see all of the guys that

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Speaker 2: had ridiculous years, all of these young guys that had

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Speaker 2: are going to probably crack one of our first teams.

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Speaker 2: As we do this through the years, Baseball isn't a

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Speaker 2: really good spot with this young talent. And you know,

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Speaker 2: this is a nice list that's kind of mixed up

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Speaker 2: with young guys and vets, but honestly more vets than

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Speaker 2: I thought on this list on the offensive side of things.

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Speaker 2: On the pitching side, he got a lot of youth,

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Speaker 2: and hitters are kind of screwed for a while, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two guys, one in each league that were definitely

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Speaker 1: considered for this Hula Rodriguez on the Seattle Mariners and

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris on the Atlanta Braves. These were two of

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Speaker 1: the better center fielders in all of baseball, regardless of

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that if Atlee Rutchman had played a full

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Speaker 1: top catcher in baseball. Like, the youth movement is incredible.

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Speaker 1: Jack does, He's like, I'm gonna tee you up for

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Speaker 1: get bullied. You get bullied. But it's always going to

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Speaker 1: be prospects. Who is a prospect like a Julio Rodriguez,

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Speaker 1: But who do you see next year as a guy

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Speaker 1: That's phenomenal. And I'm also Corbyn Carroll. We saw him

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Speaker 1: So the first reliever who I really want to talk

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to throw harder than Ryan Helsley

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Speaker 1: era for Hellsley ninety four strikeouts and sixty four innings

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Speaker 1: But it really started with Ryan Helsley as the second

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Speaker 2: League, I mean, yeah, Edwin Diaz was was just ridiculous

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Speaker 2: this season. And you get the trumpet Simmy trumpets and

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Speaker 2: But realistically, the show was when Edwin Diaz stepped on

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Speaker 2: seemed like he was that fifteen year old kid pitching

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Speaker 2: the best we've really ever seen, oh when it's even

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Speaker 2: any other pitch. Really, He's a slider fastball as well

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Speaker 2: what's so amazing me. And that's been the key for

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Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz, right throwing anything near the zone, because if

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Speaker 2: that's what really stood out to me. This guy was

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Speaker 1: You had absolutely no chance. And if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz of the Mets, I mean it was hard

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Speaker 1: truly believe this that Emmanual class A was the best

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Speaker 1: So that's something that you could give to DZ and say,

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Speaker 1: he had more explosive stuff. But when I look on

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Speaker 1: But then for Edwin Diaz, opponents hit two sixty six

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Speaker 1: the cutter, which he threw sixty percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: At one hundred miles an hour. It averaged ninety nine

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Speaker 1: it's all in the same place. You could throw it

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Speaker 1: then the slider, opponents hit one nineteen against the pitch.

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Speaker 1: It was actually a mile per hour faster, and he

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Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about these two guys who were just unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz's slider was so much more nasty. I guess

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Speaker 1: where it produced more whiffs. But if we're talking about

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Speaker 1: just limiting damage and the best two pitches possible by

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Speaker 1: how the opponents hit against it, I'm taking a manual

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's totally fair, and I think you're

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Speaker 2: onto it. The thing with Diaz is the slider was

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Speaker 2: so outrageously good. Yeah, that it almost made the fast

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think when Alec Manoa really became

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Speaker 2: No, it's funny, man because Manoa was a guy like

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Speaker 1: four last year. His curveball, again is one of the

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Speaker 1: prettiest in the sport. Definitely probably talked to Clayton Kershaw

434
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Speaker 1: on a bullpen session or four, and then the change

435
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Speaker 1: up also that he just primarily throws to righty's. Righty's

436
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: couldn't touch it. There was a lot of right handed

437
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Speaker 1: stacked lineups against him because lefties just simply had no

438
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Speaker 1: chance against him. If we're looking just at how lefties performed,

439
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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, zero seven to three whip. They had

440
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Speaker 1: twenty three hits all year in thirty five innings. I

441
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Speaker 1: just lefties couldn't touch him. So you put in all

442
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Speaker 1: your rights, and the rights couldn't touch me either. Was

443
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Speaker 1: one of the best seasons in Major League baseball.

444
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Speaker 2: What's amazing fastball and how he dominates with that pitch

445
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: in the ninety three to you know, ninety two to

446
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Speaker 2: ninety four range, you know, whole Occasionally you talk about

447
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: the vile not quite being where it was in the past,

448
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: just just having that life on it from a low

449
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: release point and that vertical break we always talk about

450
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: where the ball looks like it's taken off. He's king

451
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: of that. And then tunneling off of that is the curveball,

452
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Speaker 2: which is a hammer. You talk about how pretty it is.

453
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Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw, ask you got a fastball riding a curveball

454
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Speaker 2: that at a certain point looks like it's that fastball

455
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Speaker 2: riding upwards and snaps downwards and then oh yeah, by

456
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: the way, got a change up as well, which he

457
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: mixes in and keeps right handed hitters at bay. That's

458
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: why you have no shot if your ball curveball combination

459
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Speaker 2: and the change ups good enough to keep writing's in

460
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Speaker 2: check and opponents spare around the Mendoza line against him

461
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Speaker 2: for reason. My only detraction, and he it's not his fault.

462
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Speaker 2: But the only thing is the doctors. That's what they do, right,

463
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Speaker 2: They that they don't stretch you out. He seems like

464
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Speaker 2: the type of pitcher that could go deep into ball

465
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: games with the way he pounds his own, the way

466
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: he mixes in three pitches, the way he limits week

467
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Speaker 2: contact or maximizes is a week contact limits damage. But

468
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 2: we didn't really see him stretched out much, barely went

469
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Speaker 2: over one hundred pitches. I think that's to manage injuries

470
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Speaker 2: like you mentioned, like you alluded to, and you can

471
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Speaker 2: only do what they allow you to do. And when

472
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Speaker 2: he was on the mound, he was as dominant as anybody.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like you throw one hundred and fifty innings, right,

474
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five is still very good. It's

475
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Speaker 1: about you know, it's twenty five less than you know

476
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Speaker 1: that two hundred and to your point about like spin.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy he might not have the velo there,

478
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Speaker 1: but he's in the ninety seventh percentile and spin rate

479
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: on that fastball, so that ninety three probably looks more

480
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Speaker 1: like ninety six. And then how about the ninety how

481
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Speaker 1: about the ninety fourth percent on curveball spin two? I mean,

482
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Speaker 1: this guy's just bidding the baseball.

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Speaker 2: I could promise that fastball looks way harder than it is,

484
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Speaker 2: which you take the velo dip, if it has that

485
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Speaker 2: kind of shape to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'd rather ninety three with the ninety

487
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Speaker 1: seven percent on spind the ninety five and it's not

488
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Speaker 1: spinning as much. One looks harder than the other and

489
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Speaker 1: one is better and it is proven. So how about

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Speaker 1: number two?

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Speaker 2: Man? What a year was for Justin Rolander? Thirty nine

492
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 2: years old and he's on his way to winning another

493
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Speaker 2: Cy Young Award. I mean a one to seven right,

494
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Speaker 2: and also one hundred and seventy five. I thinks missed

495
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Speaker 2: a couple starts with injury. But eighteen and four, I

496
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Speaker 2: know we don't care about records, but anytime was the

497
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Speaker 2: eighteen and four cool? I know it's the Astros and

498
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: you just turned out quality starts, and that obviously helps.

499
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Speaker 2: But what has been really cool to see with somebody

500
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Speaker 2: like Verlanders. Obviously the stuff's still there after two Timmy

501
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: John surgeries, but the command is so good. This guy

502
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: barely walked anybody. We're talking about a walk rate of

503
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Speaker 2: four point four percent this year while striking out eight

504
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Speaker 2: percent of batters when you've got a twenty three point

505
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: five percent K to bb, right, I mean, that's just ridiculous.

506
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Speaker 2: To see him bounce back and do what he did

507
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Speaker 2: this year has been so fun. Hopefully he continues to

508
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Speaker 2: perform when we get to see him in the World

509
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Speaker 2: Series in the coming days. But at thirty nine years old,

510
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Speaker 2: to do what he has done this year, and we

511
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Speaker 2: know he's a first ballot Hall of Famer, but this

512
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Speaker 2: guy's far from done.

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Speaker 1: Well.

514
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a while before we see him get

515
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Speaker 2: inducted in Cooper's sound because I don't see him retiring

516
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: for another year or two if that, and then he's

517
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Speaker 2: got away five more years after that. But I mean,

518
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: this guy's just compiling to what already has been a phenomenal,

519
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Speaker 2: phenomenal career.

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Speaker 1: Talking about his pitches again, he doesn't have a Dylan

521
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Speaker 1: cease slider. But when you look at how each pitch

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Speaker 1: has performed, you could put both his for scene, which

523
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Speaker 1: he throws that ninety five, his slider is curveball, and

524
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Speaker 1: his changeup, which he barely really threw the change up,

525
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Speaker 1: so I don't put that much stock into it. But

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Speaker 1: he's still held opponents till one sixty seven opponent batting average,

527
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Speaker 1: but none of his pitches, none were above two hundred

528
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Speaker 1: in the opponent batting average department. Like each pitch was

529
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Speaker 1: one of the best in baseball. So we didn't have

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Speaker 1: the Dylan ce slider, but his slider was almost as good,

531
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Speaker 1: his fastball was better, and then he had that curveball,

532
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Speaker 1: which was just as good, if not better than Dylan

533
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Speaker 1: Ce's two. So even at this age, all of his

534
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: pitches great as plus plus plus plus plus plus plus

535
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: he was he was unhittable, and he's a big reason

536
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Speaker 1: why the Astros are here at this moment.

537
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Speaker 2: All three of those pitches are strikeout pitches. But the

538
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Speaker 2: craziest part is that he commands them all so well.

539
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Speaker 2: And that's why I think, you know, I know, we

540
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: saw he was kind of noncommittal about his future, but

541
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Speaker 2: This dude could pitch another three years. I feel like,

542
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Speaker 2: if you wanted to, we see Adam Wayne Wright never

543
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: had the stuff that Verlander had, but the way that

544
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Speaker 2: he is able to just outclass people. We're seeing Verlander

545
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Speaker 2: still with the stuff, now getting better at outclassing hitters

546
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Speaker 2: as well. This guy can age like fine wine if

547
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Speaker 2: he wants to play long enough. And I mean, how

548
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: crazy is to see this kind of season from a

549
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Speaker 2: thirty nine year old.

550
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Speaker 1: From a thirty nine year old. That's just what's so

551
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: amazing about Verlinner is is it's not like you know,

552
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: with Adam Wade, right, maybe now he's eighty eight and

553
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: he's really figured out to pitch. Verlinner hasn't really had

554
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Speaker 1: to do that at ninety six ninety seven miles an hour.

555
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: But the best overall pitcher in Major League Baseball this season,

556
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Speaker 1: and the guy that we have leading our first team

557
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: rotation is Sandy al Contra with the Miami Marlins. Talk

558
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Speaker 1: about an innings ze two hundred and twenty eight innings

559
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: led major League Baseball with one of the best eras

560
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Speaker 1: on top of that at two point two eight. And

561
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Speaker 1: I think the most remarkable stat about Sandy ALCNTRA is

562
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Speaker 1: that he was fourteen and nine with the Miami Marlins,

563
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: who we're not very good zero point nine to eight whip.

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Speaker 1: He's not the biggest strikeout guy in the world, you know,

565
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: but he's still logged over two hundred strikeouts at two

566
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Speaker 1: hundred and seven. But really, Sandy is a pitch to

567
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Speaker 1: contact guy with electric stuff. Fastball up in ninety eight

568
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: miles an hour, that sinker at ninety eight miles an hour.

569
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Speaker 1: He uses the change up more than any other pitch,

570
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Speaker 1: which is a difference from last year where he was

571
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Speaker 1: mostly sinker slider change up. Now he's change up four

572
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: seam sinker and then that slider. All four pitches came

573
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Speaker 1: together to give him the best overall season in the

574
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Speaker 1: National League, best overall season of any pitcher. But I

575
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Speaker 1: really want to hear from you what have you seen

576
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Speaker 1: from Sandy? You know, as a Marlins.

577
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Fan, I mean, man, he gave me a reason to

578
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: be excited to watch them every fifth day because we

579
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: know how brutal it was to watch them a lot

580
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: of this year. And I mean Sandy would just take

581
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: matters into his own hands. He talk about winning fourteen

582
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: games and we always get a lot of flak for

583
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: talking about like wins and losses and whatever, and I

584
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: understand the lack of importance of it, but this is

585
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: an important stat here because of the fact that Sandy,

586
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: when the bullpen was struggling, took matters into his own hands.

587
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: When the offense is struggling, took matters into his own

588
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: hands and literally tried to single handedly win games. He

589
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: went six innings or more in twenty six of his

590
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Speaker 2: already two starts in today's game. That's literally unheard of.

591
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: He went eight innings or more. I don't even have

592
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: it in front of me, but way more time than

593
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: anybody else and complete games. Led the league obviously, very easily.

594
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Speaker 2: What's so amazing to me about Sandy is the different

595
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: ways that he can attack you, to beyond the conditioning

596
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: which he prides himself on. It's all he's trying to

597
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: get you out on the first pitch, right. He wants

598
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: to make a pitch look like it's down the middle,

599
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: dives off the end, You get it off the end

600
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: of your bat, You ground out one out one pitch.

601
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: That's what he wants to do. But when he needs

602
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: to get the strikeouts you talked about, the stuff Peter.

603
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: He can get the strikeouts when he wants to. If

604
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: he's in a jam, you'll see him get those strikeouts.

605
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: But he prefers early contact go deep in games because

606
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: to him, he'd rather go nine innings than strike out

607
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: twelve and six. And that was something I talked about

608
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Speaker 2: with him, and he's like, I'm conditioned to go one

609
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: hundred thirty hundred and forty pitches, they just won't let me,

610
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: which is the most savage mentality I've ever heard, and

611
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: I love it.

612
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Speaker 1: It's hard not to love Sandy because I think the

613
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Speaker 1: difference between Sandy and a guy like Khulio or rheas

614
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Arius was around one hundred and seventy ish innings while

615
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Speaker 1: Sandy threw about fifty more. And the Marlins relied on

616
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Speaker 1: Sandy Moore. So could Sandy if they said, if Sandy

617
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: was on the Dodgers and they said, Sandy, we need

618
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Speaker 1: your best five or six, We need you throwing ninety

619
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Speaker 1: nine to one hundred miles an hour getting those strikeouts

620
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: instead of trying to induce self contact in order to

621
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Speaker 1: keep going through the game, he would change. As a

622
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Speaker 1: pitcher on the Marlins, he had plenty of games where

623
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Speaker 1: he was nine innings, two earned runs, three earned runs. Like,

624
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Speaker 1: is that better or worse than five innings, no runs

625
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: or one run. I'm gonna take the guy who's going

626
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Speaker 1: to go the entire game. Don't have to rely on

627
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Speaker 1: the bullpen. And with the Dodgers, you know they had

628
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Speaker 1: that slew of bullpen arms with Julio Arias, the Marlins

629
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Speaker 1: not as much. Their best option was Sandy in the

630
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: eighth and the ninth inning, even when he was tired.

631
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Speaker 1: That's the magnificence of Sandy al contract.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that, because there's no pitcher in

633
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Speaker 2: baseball that was asked to do more than Sandy. I mean,

634
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: what you were looking at a decimated bullpen. You're looking

635
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: at a rotation that, even at points was was so

636
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: brutal that they had to have bullpen games because of

637
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: how beat up the Marlins rotation got, so they wanted

638
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: to preserve that last thing. I'll say, I got it

639
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: in front of me now. Fourteen outings of eight innings

640
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: or more. I mean, that's just in today's game is

641
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: unheard of. Sandy is a workhorse and he's still only

642
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: twenty just turned twenty seven years old. He was twenty

643
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: six this entire season. He's going to be a problem

644
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: for the National League's for a long time.

645
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: For a long time. And this player, as we move

646
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: into offense, is the ultimate problem. Sho Hao Tawny. We

647
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Speaker 1: put him in our DH spot, but really it should

648
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Speaker 1: be the O Tawny spot. When we were talking about

649
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: who were the top five pitchers in Major League Baseball

650
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: this year, Sho Hao Tawny could have been in that conversation.

651
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: If we're talking about hitting, he was one of the

652
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: best overall hitters in Major League Baseball this year. Give

653
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: him thirty four home runs. Give the eleven steals. He

654
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: had an eight to seventy five while hitting two seventy three.

655
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: If we're talking about quality of contact, it's about as

656
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: good as it gets. Sho Hao Tani is probably the

657
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: most talented player ever to step on the diamond in

658
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: baseball history at this point, because with Babe Ruth you

659
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: had the pitching, but it didn't last very long with

660
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: who else. I mean, that's what we're dealing with here,

661
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: and Shoeo Tani can do everything on the mound, everything

662
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: at the plate, while also being top five in sprint speed,

663
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: top five in home to first time. He is the

664
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Speaker 1: most well rounded, best athlete, best player that we have

665
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: seen in our sports since I have been alive, and

666
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: I'd like to venture to say he's the most talented

667
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: player in Major League history.

668
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And here's the craziest part about it for

669
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: me is, you know, we're gonna focus on the offensive

670
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: side because he just missed on the pitching side because

671
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: of the innings. We wanted to prioritize the guys that

672
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: put up similar numbers with more innings. But when he

673
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: went new Clear in the second half offensively, he was

674
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: also going lights out in the second half on the mound.

675
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: And to do both at the same time, you know,

676
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: I always imagine, oh, he might get hot on the

677
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: mound and then maybe cool at the plate, or you know,

678
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: the odds of doing both at the same time and

679
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: kicking it in gears just seems like it's impossible. But

680
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: he continues to do the impossible and offensively in the

681
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: second half a one to fifty five WRC plus a

682
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: nine to twenty seven ops. He hit two ninety two, right, Like,

683
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: That's the one thing, the one detraction that we'll see

684
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: sometimes with sho Hey is oh yeah, there's some swing

685
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: and miss. Sure, Mike Trout has some swing and miss too,

686
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: but to hit two ninety two, get on base at

687
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: a three sixty six clip, and then of course the

688
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: five sixty one slug which he will always hover around

689
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: five hundreds and the slugging. But to see him, you know,

690
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: really putting the ball and play more consistently hitting for

691
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: average down that stretch as well. I mean, this guy

692
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: seemed like he really figured it out in the second half,

693
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: not that he had a bad first half, but really

694
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: turned himself into one of the best hitters in the

695
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: game in the second half, and then of course did

696
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: everything he did on the mound. Uh, you take away

697
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: the pitching aspect of Shoeo Tani and he's still one

698
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: of the best bets in baseball and seems like he

699
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: continues to get better. I mean, it was a really,

700
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: really special year for him, and we talked about bad

701
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: teams and really him being the whole franchise with Sandy.

702
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: I mean, sho Heo Tani when Mike Trout was out,

703
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: was the only reason really you'd ever watched the Angels.

704
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: We could have an entire podcast about sho Hao Tani,

705
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: but we have other players to talk about, let's move

706
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: into the outfield. Who is our first team right fielder.

707
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I swear this guy could play

708
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: centerfield with how good he is and right and said,

709
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: he's just the best defender in right field, period, and

710
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: it's Mookie Bets, and Mooki Bets has got to be

711
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: one of the most well rounded players in baseball. We

712
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: talked about show Hey being able to pitch and hit,

713
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: but Mooki Bets in terms of all of the things

714
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: the traditional five tool player, Mookie Betts has all five

715
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: of those tools at the highest of levels. He just

716
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: turned thirty years old and just continues to churn out

717
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: good season after good season. We had that quote unquote

718
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: down year last year where he put up one thirty

719
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: WRC plus and a three point eight four bounces right

720
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: back this year to hit two sixty nine three forty

721
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: five thirty three while playing elite defense and right thirty

722
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: five homers. Doesn't strike out. He can swipe some bags

723
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: as well. But it really is just incredible watching what

724
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: he does defensively. I mean, the way he's able to

725
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: make plays look so easy, the way he tracks balls down,

726
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: the throws that he makes and then oh yeah, if

727
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: you're in a pinch, you can go play second base

728
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: at a high level. Two. This guy's absolutely spectacular, and

729
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: it just it's shocking to see how many home runs

730
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: he can hit because he looks like a guy that

731
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: should be just spraying the ball all over. But man,

732
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: he's a menace at the plate.

733
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: In my opinion, if you take out shohe because it's unfair, honestly,

734
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: to compare any current Major leaguer to Shoeo Toney, I

735
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: call Mookie Bets the best player in baseball. I think

736
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: he's the most well rounded. I think when the going

737
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: gets tough, he rises to the occasion. And you could

738
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: say Peter well, he Actually his stats in the playoffs

739
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: weren't as good as in previous years. And what I'd

740
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: argue is that he got vacuumed by Manny Machado at

741
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: third base. How many hard hit balls did Mooki Bets

742
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: hit to third base where Manny Machada was making unbelievable

743
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: plays Mookie Bets, all you can ask is that he

744
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: hits the ball hard and plays electric defense, and that's

745
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: exactly what Mooki Bets did. Once again, I think the

746
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: craziest part about Muki Bets. Maybe not the crazy there

747
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: are plenty of crazy things about Mooki Bets, but that

748
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: was he was a fifth rounder. Yeah, he was a

749
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: fifth rounder. And he can play a little bit of

750
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: second base two if you need him to. He is

751
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: as perfect of a big leaguer, whether off the field

752
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: to the leadership, the smile, the marketability on top of

753
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: his production on the field, it's hard to find a

754
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: hole in Mooki Bets's game.

755
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say too, I mean, we talked

756
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: about the thirty five homers, right, but ninety one percent

757
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: zone contact. This guy is one of the best bats

758
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: ball guys in baseball. So you have an elite bats

759
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: of ball type of player here, which again it seems

760
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: like he should be spraying it all over, but nope,

761
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: he's also launching homers. It's just a crazy combination if

762
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: you go by you know, power combined with bat to

763
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: ball's own contact. There's very few in the game better

764
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: than Mookie bats And it just seems like he's going

765
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: to be able to do this for a long, long

766
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: long time. And I think when it's all said and done,

767
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: you know, we'll be looking at Mookie Bats and Cooperstown.

768
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: We sort of cheated in centerfield, but we didn't really matter.

769
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge of the New York Yankees played seventy plus

770
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: games in centerfield and is our first team centerfielder. What

771
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: a season. One of the best seasons in MLB history

772
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: on the offensive side, if you take out steroids. If

773
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: you do take out steroids like the Barry Bonds seasons,

774
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: you know those Sammy Stoas and Mark maguire sixty two

775
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: home runs that may never get there ever again in

776
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. It could, but it hasn't happened since

777
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: Roger Maris in the American League, where he hit sixty

778
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: one home runs. But I think the amazing part of

779
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge is that the home runs are the sexy

780
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: aspect of it, right. But he is almost as well

781
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: rounded as a Mookie Bets at this point. If you're

782
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: talking about play in right field, he was in the

783
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: eighty second percentile of out's above average. He has one

784
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: of the best arms I've ever seen with my own

785
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: two eyes. Ninety third percentile in arm strength. I think

786
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: that number is wrong. I think it should be in

787
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: the ninety nine percent tle. If you actually asked him

788
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: to pull down on.

789
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say if he cut loose, absolutely, he looks

790
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: like he's just tossing him in and it's a one

791
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: hop to third from from the wall in right field.

792
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: It's like he's just flicking it into the infield.

793
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: For being six foot seven, two hundred and eighty two pounds,

794
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: he is the smoothest big man we've ever seen in baseball.

795
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: The guy also hit three to eleven. He was vying

796
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: for the triple crown with one hundred and thirty one

797
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: RBIs that's so good of an overall hitter. Aaron Judges

798
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: also getting on base at a four to twenty five clip,

799
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: and how about adding sixteen stolen bases. But he is

800
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: not the fastest player on the field. He's just one

801
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: of the smartest. He's able to take bags with the

802
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: best of them. He's in the fiftieth percentile in sprint speed,

803
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: So that's how you know that on the bas pass

804
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: he's one of the best, smartest runners. The only hole

805
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: that you can point in Aaron Judges game is the

806
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: swing and miss. But nobody's perfect, right, Maybe nobody's perfect

807
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: except Mookie Bets. And when you hit sixty two one runs,

808
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: you hit three to eleven, you get on base forty

809
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: two percent of the time. I'll take the strikeouts. Aaron

810
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: Judge is about to get a bag.

811
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah he is. And here's the thing with

812
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: the strikeouts is I always look at more important than

813
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: just the pure strikeout raid is is the walks to strikeouts,

814
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: right like the bb T K ratio here, And this

815
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: was by far the best in that department for him

816
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: this season a point six three bb to K ratios

817
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: is by far he's at a point five to two

818
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: for his career. So it just walks about it by strikeouts,

819
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: way up from his career numbers. And that's including this season,

820
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: which jumped up his career numbers, and this year he

821
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: was below zero point five. So I mean, we see

822
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: the strikeout rate probably going to stick around twenty five

823
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: percent of his whole career, but upping the walks, seeing

824
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: the strike out rate remain stagnant, and then doing what

825
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: he did production wise. His quality of contact is so

826
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: good he's taken the free passes that he's going to

827
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: be a high average guy the rest of the way,

828
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: even with the swing and miss. Similar to him, Mike Trout.

829
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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a magnific, magnificent season. There's no

830
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 2: other way around it. We've talked about it all year long,

831
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 2: and I mean, not only is he the first team centerfielder,

832
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: he actually made a majority of his starts in centerfield,

833
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: which is crazy. And the way he covers ground out

834
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: there is remarkable given how big he is. Like you mentioned,

835
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: this guy is, I can't wait to see how much

836
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: money he gets. I really can't. I know you're nervous

837
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: in regards to where he's going to be. I assume

838
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: he stays in the Bronx obviously, but I'm so curious

839
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: what this contract's going to look like because, like you said,

840
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: we've never really seen a season like this in a while,

841
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: and we've definitely never seen a contract season like this.

842
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: And that's a conversation for the offseason. I am a

843
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: little bit nervous and sensitive about that subject right now.

844
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: I need it to breathe a little bit. Just you know,

845
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people I saw that Aaron Judge unfollowed

846
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: the Yankees on Instagram or something that was some big news.

847
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: Just so you all know, he never followed the Yankees,

848
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: So nip that one in the butt. But let's talk

849
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: about left field, because it might be the second best

850
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: hitter in baseball.

851
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: I mean, Jordan Alvarez. Trying to get this guy out

852
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: is nearly impossible. If you're a lefty, he's gonna crush you.

853
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: If you're a rioty, he's gonna crush you. If you

854
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: throw fastball, he's gonna hit it. If you throw a

855
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: breaking ball, he will also hit it. High leverage, he

856
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: will rise to the occasion. Jordon Alvarez is one of

857
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: the most well rounded hitters in the game, and we

858
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: saw it this year. One eighty five WRC plus he

859
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: slash three oh six, four oh six, six thirteen. It's

860
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: a six point six F four thirty seven home runs

861
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: and that's like basically all offensive boosting me F four there,

862
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: but the thirty seven home runs with a nineteen percent

863
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: strikeout right while walking fourteen percent of the time. It's

864
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: just absurd what this guy's able to do, and still

865
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: so young at twenty five years old, He's only gonna

866
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: get better and better, and it just seems like it's

867
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: impossible to get this guy out. It really does. And

868
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: even I know he slowed down a little bit in

869
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: spots in the postseason, but it seems like he's impervious

870
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: to a prolonged slump because of how talented he is.

871
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I think the most amazing part about Jordon Alvarez is

872
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: I always say the most amazing when there's so many

873
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: things that you can say to these guys. But I

874
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: guess the thing that jumps out to me the most

875
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: is his ability to hit breaking pitches, his ability to

876
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: hit off speed pitches. If we're talking about how we

877
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: performed this year, he hit three or five against breaking balls,

878
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: three forty six against off speed. So the idea is

879
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: against yord On, well, you can't throw him a fastball

880
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: right because he's gonna hit it to the freaking moon.

881
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: So we gotta spin him to death. You can't, and

882
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: you can't get him to chase either, So he is

883
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: as impossible of an out like with you know, with

884
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, right, he has been susceptible to the low

885
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: and away slider, right because you know, he chases and

886
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: he whiffs, and if you make a mistake, Aaron Judge

887
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: is going to hit it to the moon. There is

888
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: none of that for jord On. He's as comp as

889
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: complete of a hitter as we have in our game,

890
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: and it's just crazy that he was traded from the

891
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers. Of all team for Josh Field.

892
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: They had no idea what they had. Man, even the Dodgers.

893
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: No team's perfect, no team's perfect, They had no idea

894
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: what they had. And you talk about the ability to

895
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: get the breaking balls. What stands out to me that,

896
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: of course does big time. Another thing that really stands

897
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 2: out to me is you look at a big, powerful,

898
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: left handed hitter and you're like, oh, man, that guy

899
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: must struggle a little bit with lefties. Nope. This past

900
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: season and has pretty much been this way his whole career.

901
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: One eighty three WRC plus against lefties, one eighty six

902
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: WRC plus against righty's. There's no platoon splits, there's nothing.

903
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: Bringing in the lefty for Jordan doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

904
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: You might as well just throw your best pitcher and pray.

905
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: That's the way it is. And we saw that with

906
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: Robbie Ray.

907
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: He has one bluestone. It's up. It's up in the

908
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: middle of the zone with like ninety eight. So if

909
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: you can perfectly locate that, yeah, but you can't throw

910
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: it more than once.

911
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: Because it hitted to the mood and hope he's not

912
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 2: sitting on it because even though it's a blue zone,

913
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: if he knows you're going up there, he'll get there.

914
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: And he's going to know that it's going to happen

915
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: in the World Series too. I bet he's ready. If

916
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: he takes away the one blue zone, it's over.

917
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: It's over. And here's the thing. He takes that for

918
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: a strike, do it again, like that's the thing with it.

919
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Bring up Mike trout again because that's kind of the

920
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: picture of a power hitter. That's a blue zone for

921
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: trout Man, but he doesn't chase at the top of

922
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: the zone and hold dare you'll locate it there three times.

923
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: You tug it down a few inches.

924
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: See you move it on to shortstop. This one was

925
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: a tough one. There was a lot of good shortstops

926
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: this year, but the leader in f war the defense

927
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: just was at another level. Even though Dansby Swanson had

928
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: a great year on defense, I think everyone knows that

929
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor might be the best defender in the entire sport,

930
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: and he had a great year offensively. So Francisco Lindor

931
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: is our first team shorts up. How about twenty six

932
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: jacks one hundred and seven RBIs almost on twenty bases

933
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: was sixteen. He had a seven eighty eight ops because

934
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't walk that much, but he still hit two seventy.

935
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor doesn't strike out. He walks enough, even though

936
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: it dropped off from last year, but he was more

937
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: aggressive this year. He needed to be a run producer

938
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: for the New York Mets, and he was the ultimate

939
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: run producer. Another guy where it's really hard to get

940
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: him out. In twenty twenty one when he struggled a

941
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: little bit, he couldn't really hit the breaking ball. He

942
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: was a little bit worse on off speed, but this

943
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: year changed all of that. He was actually the best

944
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: off off speed pitches. He was great off breaking balls,

945
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: and of course he crushed fastballs. This is another guy

946
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: similar to Mookie Betts, where there really is no hole

947
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: in his game. He's probably the most well round shortstop

948
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: that we have. Like there are number of shortstops that

949
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: are all great, but they all have their weaknesses. I

950
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: don't know what Francisco Lindor's weaknesses, and I do think

951
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: based on four he had the best overall season at

952
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: the shortstop position.

953
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at what he does defensively in

954
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: terms of the plays he's capable of as a great

955
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: athlete with a great arm. I mean, we can look

956
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: at all the highlight reel plays, but the instincts are

957
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: what really stand out to me. I mean, this guy

958
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: seems like he always knows where to be. He always has,

959
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: you know, the right first step. He's always making the

960
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: plays that seem really difficult to make. And he's even

961
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: got PitchCom in his ear right, Like he's such a

962
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: heady player on defense that he wants to hear PitchCom

963
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: so that he can kind of align himself based on that,

964
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: and Buck show Walter kind of lets him go free. Rain.

965
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: I know, we have a lot of shifting in today's game,

966
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: which is going to be you know, rained in a

967
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: little bit, but with Lindor it was I really do

968
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: believe that he was kind of on his own with

969
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: positioning because they trust him like that, and I would

970
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: trust him. This guy. He's one of the smartest baseball

971
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: players are gonna find. On the offensive side. You mentioned

972
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: the driving in runs RBI's. You know, that's typically a

973
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: stat that we attribute to being out of the control

974
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: of the hitter. But I think in this instance, and

975
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: I've talked to a lot of players about this, and

976
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: they think they've all kind of told me, you got

977
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: to look at it in an individual, case by case basis. Lindor,

978
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: like you said, was asked to drive in runs for

979
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: the Mets. That was the role that he had to

980
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: really lean into, and he did really well. He drove

981
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: in one hundred and seven runs this year. This is

982
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: a guy that usually is leading things off, usually is

983
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: the tone center. To drive in one hundred and seven

984
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: runs is really impressive. We saw the home runs, we

985
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: saw the bats ball, we saw a little bit of everything.

986
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: I the one thing would be walking a little bit more,

987
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: but that's not really part of his game. He likes

988
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: to be aggressive, put the ball in play and put

989
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: the pressure on the defense. And it worked for him

990
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: all year. And I mean he's one of the best

991
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: defenders period in Major League Baseball.

992
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't asked to walk, and even though he wasn't

993
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: asked walk, he still walked enough. Right eight percent got

994
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: on base at a three forty three point thirty nine clip.

995
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: That's plenty. I'm Francisco Lindor is still one of the

996
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: best overall players in baseball. I think this next position

997
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: at third base, this was the toughest, is the toughest.

998
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: So who'd we go with?

999
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Man? This was the one that we delayed the start

1000
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: of the episode for a little bit at third base

1001
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: because it was so darn close between We had Manny

1002
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Machado and then Nolan Aernado. Ultimately our first team third

1003
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: baseman is Nolan Aernado. And really what put Aeronauto over

1004
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: the top? We saw what he did offensively this year

1005
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: and proving that he can hit outside of corps even

1006
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: more so. But how about the fact that he just

1007
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: was one of the best defenders again period. It was

1008
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: Aeron od On Lindor. I mean, I just imagine what

1009
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 2: they would do on the left side of the infield together,

1010
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: if they were ever teammates, it would be it would

1011
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: be a joke. It would be a babbit nightmare over there.

1012
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: But Aeronato's offense, I mean, what he did this year

1013
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: was was right there with Machado one off in the

1014
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: WRC plus department. But that the thing is is doing

1015
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: what he did away from course, kind of proving to

1016
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: everybody that he can do this We saw the third

1017
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 2: four home runs last year, but that came at expensive

1018
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: getting on base right a three twelve on base percentage

1019
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: last year. He got on base at a three point

1020
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: fifty eight clip this year, and Aeronaudo looked like that

1021
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: complete hitter again the thirty pumps only striking out eleven

1022
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: percent of the time two ninety three, three fifty eight,

1023
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: five thirty three slash lines, so we see the power

1024
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: still there, we see the contact rates go up, and

1025
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: then we see the strikeout rate drop, walk rate jump

1026
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: like this was as ideal of an offensive season, as

1027
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: you could see from Aeronado, he put it all together

1028
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: this year and the defense has not tapered off whatsoever.

1029
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: This guy was a vacuum at third base, as he

1030
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: always has been. One of the most well rounded seasons

1031
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 2: I think we've seen from Aeronauto period. We know WRC

1032
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: plus is park adjusted, so that's always gonna knock the

1033
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: corps guys, But this is the highest WRC plus of

1034
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: his career at one fifty one by a pretty good margin, and.

1035
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: Him and Manny Minchada were so so close on offense.

1036
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: But what really took Aeronauto over the top, like you mentioned,

1037
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: was the defense. At defensive run saved, you're looking at

1038
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: outs above average, you're looking at defensive war Nolan Aernato

1039
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: has the advantage. It's not by a ton, but in

1040
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: it's a couple of categories. He takes the leap and

1041
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: if we're looking on an offense, we're looking at consistency

1042
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen, So in the last seven seasons, if

1043
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: you take out twenty twenty, he's thirty home runs, one

1044
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: hundred RBIs and that has not dropped off from cors

1045
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: Field in two seasons with the Cardinals, thirty jacks, one

1046
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 1: hundred RBIs and close to a three hundred batting average

1047
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: hit two ninety three this year eight ninety one. Ohps,

1048
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get from Nolan Aernado year in,

1049
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: year out. What more could you ask from a guy? Right?

1050
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: I mean, really it. Besides the COVID shortened twenty twenty season,

1051
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: this was the lowest strikeout right of Aeronauta's career by

1052
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: by a pretty fair margin, three percent lower than his

1053
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, career average, which is still spectacular at fourteen

1054
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: point six percent. So it's it seems like something really

1055
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: clicked for Aeronado on the consistency side on the bat

1056
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: to ball side. We know at course field, beyond the

1057
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: fact that the ball flies, the reason why guys hit

1058
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: from more averages are so much space for balls to

1059
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: just land right and doubles and singles. And that's the

1060
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: one thing Jeff Conhi always talked about with us, is

1061
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: like it wasn't about the home runs for me, is

1062
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: I could hit one off the end to pop up

1063
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: with a you know that would normally be caught. Guys

1064
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: are playing so deep it falls in aeronauto. Kind of

1065
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: struggled with that average department last year and just the

1066
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: consistency side, and now we just saw it kind of

1067
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: all come together for him this year. If he starts

1068
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: hitting like this the rest of the way with his

1069
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals career and is able to duplicate this, I mean

1070
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: I already think he's a Hall of Famer, but talk

1071
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: about first ballot with ease. If he continues to do

1072
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: what he did, he seems like he's getting better and

1073
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: better as a hitter.

1074
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: The fourth best hitter in baseball by WRC plus is

1075
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: five foot six, one hundred and sixty six pounds and

1076
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: his name is jose Al Tuf. What a season once

1077
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: again similar to Aeronado, similar to our baseman. Year in,

1078
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: year out, you know what you're gonna get from Altuve.

1079
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: Altuve used to be fifteen to twenty home runs, steal

1080
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: in forty fifty bags, thirty bags a season. But then

1081
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: what we saw in twenty nineteen was the power coming

1082
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: to play. Hit thirty one home runs and only stole

1083
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: six bases. He still hit two ninety eight, so all

1084
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: the offense was there, but he sacrificed running a little bit.

1085
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Then you move forward into twenty twenty one, again thirty

1086
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: one home runs, five stolen bases, but he only hit

1087
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: two seventy eight, so he's kind of just figuring out

1088
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: who joseel Tuove is, even though we know how good

1089
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: he is.

1090
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: And like the second phase, you know, yeah, the.

1091
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: Second phase of Hosee Tuve. That's a great way to

1092
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: put it. And then this year was the ultimate second phase.

1093
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: Had those twenty eight home runs, but then went back

1094
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: to running eighteen stolen bases. He hit three hundred again,

1095
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: he had an ops at nine to twenty. Jose Altuve

1096
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: defending a second bases also great. The one hole you

1097
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: can point his is the throwing arm. But he's so

1098
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: quick with it that it doesn't really matter. And he's

1099
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: at second base. Jose Altuve is simply one of the

1100
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: best players in Major League Baseball and is on track

1101
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer.

1102
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: Yep. I mean you set the stage perfectly, and this

1103
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: is somebody now that's respected, especially at home, with that

1104
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: with the Crawford boxes, and he leans into that really well,

1105
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: and with how good of a hitter he is. But

1106
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 2: this is a guy that can can leave any yard.

1107
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: He's got power that just doesn't make sense. It's it's

1108
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: really frame defying. But what I've seen now too, is

1109
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: a guy that is leaning into that more, being more patient,

1110
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: being more selective. Hey, I'm not the fastest guy in

1111
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: the world anymore. I'm not, you know, nearly as quick

1112
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: as I once was. But hey, I can still be

1113
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: opportunistic with my stolen bases, as you mentioned, stealing eighteen

1114
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: on nineteen tries this year, which is spectacular after hardly

1115
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: stealing him over the last couple of years. Being banged

1116
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: up didn't help, But also now his teams respect his

1117
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: power with the now fifty eight homer or fifty nine

1118
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: home runs excuse me, over the last two seasons being

1119
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: more selective at the plate, not expanding the zone. First

1120
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: time we saw him walk at a double digit percent

1121
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: percentage eleven percent walk rate this year is really going

1122
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: to boost that on base percentage, and that's why we

1123
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: saw him get on base at a three to eighty

1124
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 2: seven clip. I mean, that's one of the best figures

1125
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: of his career, aside from those unbelievable seasons he had

1126
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: at age twenty five to twenty six. I think we

1127
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: saw a three ninety six on base in a four

1128
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: to ten. This would be the second or the third

1129
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: best of his career right here. So I mean, al

1130
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: Tuve is not showing any signs of slowing down. It's

1131
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: kind of adjusted in this second phase of his career.

1132
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: And this was the best season he's put up four

1133
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: wise since twenty seventeen. This guy's not slowing down at.

1134
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: All, not slowing down at all. Another guy who's not

1135
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: slowing down at all is our first baseman.

1136
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: And potentially the MVP out of the National League. It's

1137
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: Paul gold Schmidt. And it's amazing that Paul gold Smith

1138
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: was good enough for Freddy Freeman not to be the

1139
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: first team first baseman right because Freddy Freeman had a

1140
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: spectacular season, but it's impossible to put anybody ahead of

1141
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: Paul goldchmanth he's one of the best hitters period. This

1142
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: year three seventeen, four oh four, five seventy eight slash

1143
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 2: line for the Cardinals this year, thirty five home runs,

1144
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: a seven point one f four and a one to

1145
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: seventy seven WRC plus. Gold Schmidt walked, He didn't strike

1146
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: out too much. The power was there, the bat to

1147
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 2: ball was there. He was another guy that at some

1148
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: point we were talking triple crown right he was. He

1149
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: was in the conversation there too. That slowed down a

1150
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: little bit into the end and we saw that spill

1151
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: into the playoffs for the two games that he played.

1152
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: But what he did this year was incredible. This was

1153
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: arguably the best season of his career at age thirty four.

1154
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 2: I love seeing this. This is just really talented hitters

1155
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: having it come together mentally, you know, kind of figuring

1156
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: things out as they have ten plus years under their

1157
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: belt and still having the physical capabilities to maximize that knowledge.

1158
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: Gold Schmidt looked as good as ever in twenty twenty two.

1159
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: The only thing I can add, because you added everything

1160
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: on the offensive side, how about defensive side? He was

1161
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: a Goal Glove Award finalist. Will he win it? I'm

1162
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: not totally sure. Pretty sure that Christian Walker should win

1163
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: it based on the numbers, but I don't think any

1164
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: of us would be shocked if Paul Goldschmid won. And

1165
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: he's one of those finalists that at this day and age,

1166
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: like if they gave it to Paul Goldschman, I'm not saying, oh,

1167
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: come on, like it should have been Christian Walker. Goldschman,

1168
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: you could argue deserves it every year. That's why he's

1169
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: so valuable. Right. This is where these well rounded baseball players,

1170
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: year in year out, they almost get underrated on when

1171
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: we say top ten lists, where it's like, would you

1172
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: put Paul Goldschmid as a top five player? I know

1173
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: that Nolan Aronado said that Paul Goldschmid is the best

1174
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: player that he's ever played with, and he hasn't played

1175
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: with him that long at age thirty three, thirty four

1176
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: years old. For Goldschmidt, like it is Paul Goldschmidt year

1177
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: in and year out. We know we're getting thirty five jacks,

1178
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: we know he's hitting three hundred, we know he's even

1179
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna steal some bases, and we know he's going to

1180
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: be one of the best defenders at his position. Like,

1181
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: how is that not a top one world player of baseball?

1182
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: What more do you want? You know, what more do

1183
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: you want? It's just because he's a first baseman. Really,

1184
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the one thing that that quote

1185
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: unquote docks him a little bit. But I mean, yeah,

1186
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: he's doing everything you could want from a baseball player,

1187
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: and it's amazing to see him having this this career year.

1188
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, at age thirty four, you wonder,

1189
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, what's next year going to look like? And

1190
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: if he continues to do this, we're gonna look at

1191
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: his career, you know, maybe four or five years from

1192
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: now and be like, holy crap, hole, Golchmid did that. Like,

1193
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: I agree. I think he's one of those guys that

1194
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: being in Arizona for so on, also being so consistent,

1195
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: we become a little bit numb to how good this

1196
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: guy is.

1197
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: I think we became slightly numb to our catcher. And

1198
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: I think at this point it's undeniable he's the best

1199
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: catcher in baseball. Yeah, this season really established that for

1200
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: JT real Muto. What doesn't jt real Muto do? It's

1201
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of a common thing of this episode. These are

1202
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: the most well rounded baseball players in the game, and J.

1203
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: T Romuto exemplifies that. Twenty two bombs, twenty one stolen

1204
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: bases from a catcher, eight twenty oh ps, he walked,

1205
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: hit for average, he slugged, he has the best overall

1206
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: pop time in baseball. He's a well above average frame

1207
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: or top ten in all the metrics. What doesn't J

1208
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: two Ramuto do? And when I was writing my betting preview,

1209
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: I was looking at all the Phillies' pitching stats. While

1210
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: they might not have the most sparkling names outside of

1211
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: Wheeler and Nola, jto Romuto affects the game more than

1212
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: what the stat sheet will tell you. When we were

1213
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: talking about Aeronola last year, what was his problem? Right?

1214
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: It was command within the middle of his own That

1215
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: was what jt Rumuto told us and J. T Romuto

1216
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure in bullpen sessions with Aeronola was working with

1217
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: him daily in order to improve that. And then we

1218
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: saw the ultimate Aeronola, Zach Wheeler, all these bullpen guys.

1219
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: I bet if you ask them. What is one of

1220
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: the biggest reasons that they're in in this spot, They

1221
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: would say J T Romuto, And he's one of the

1222
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: best offensive catchers and he's got twenty one bags. What

1223
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: doesn't Jjo Romuto too?

1224
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: And the craziest part, so the twenty bags are something

1225
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: he wanted this year and to be the first catcher

1226
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: since Pud Rodriguez in nineteen ninety nine to go twenty twenty,

1227
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: which is unbelievable. It wasn't like he tried forty times,

1228
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: like he was efficient on the base paths as well.

1229
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: But how about this second half we saw from JT.

1230
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: He was shaky in the first half for his standards

1231
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: one of three WRC plus in the first half. Second

1232
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: half slash three oh seven, three sixty seven, five eighty three.

1233
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: It's a one sixty two WRC plus and a nine

1234
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: to forty nine OPS on top of the defense and

1235
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: everything else that he brings to the table. I mean,

1236
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: to do what he did in the second half, the

1237
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: Phillies are not where they are without JT. Of course

1238
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: you could say that with a couple other guys on

1239
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: that team, given the pitchers you mentioned, and of course

1240
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: Bryce Harper, but JT is as important as anybody on

1241
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: that team, and you illustrated beautifully what he does in

1242
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: terms of calling a game, receiving his ability to limit

1243
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: the running game. But what he did offensively in the

1244
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: second half two was not only be the best offensive

1245
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: catcher in the game, but be one of the better

1246
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: hitters in the game in the second half and just

1247
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: really put that Phillies team over the top, alongside Bryce

1248
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: Harper and some of the other guys. But it was

1249
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: just awesome to watch him in the second half. It's

1250
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: been awesome to watch him in the playoffs. And this

1251
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: is a player that, of course I have really a

1252
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: little bit of a bias towards because he came up

1253
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 2: with the Marlins. I always felt like he was underrated

1254
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: as the Marlins catcher. I always thought he was one

1255
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: of the best catchers in baseball, and now doing it

1256
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: with the Phillies, he's really solidified himself as the best

1257
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 2: catcher in baseball. And the only guy that I think

1258
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: has a chance to catch him is Adlie and I

1259
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: think he ultimately will as JT. Taper's off, But I think,

1260
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: as JT showed, it's gonna take Adlie a few years

1261
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: or a nuclear kind of season to dethrone JT as

1262
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: the best catcher in baseball.

1263
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: And Will Smith still has, you know, a title there

1264
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: as an incredible hitter, but he just can't defend like

1265
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: Real Muto can, doesn't have the arm he does, doesn't

1266
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: can't receive the ball like he does. I don't think

1267
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: he has that same relationship. And it's because and it's

1268
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 1: not all Will Smith's fault. Will Smith is still young.

1269
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: Will J. T Remutu is thirty one years old. He's

1270
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: been there, done that, and we can't wait to see

1271
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: him in the World Series. That'll do it for the

1272
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: Just Baseball first team. Just to recap, on the relief

1273
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: pitcher side, we have Ryan Helsley, Emanuel class A, and

1274
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: Edwin Diez starting pitchers. It's Alec Manoa, Dylan Ceze, Julio Arias,

1275
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander, and Sandy al Contra at dh or. We

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Speaker 1: have Shoeotani in the outfield, Mookie Bets Aaron Judge, Jordan

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Speaker 1: Alvarez shortstop, Franciscolden Door third base, Nolan Aernado second base,

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Speaker 1: joseel Tuove first base, Paul Goulchman, and at catcher JT.

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Speaker 1: Real Muto. Remember to use code October fifteen. Best way

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Speaker 1: to support this podcast is to get yourself some merch.

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Speaker 1: We are still live with manscaped. If you guys want

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Speaker 1: to use twenty percent off, use code JB Show Treat

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Speaker 1: your balls right, cheat your balls people?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 1: Why not us? It's getting to the holiday season. If

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Speaker 1: all the ladies listening to this podcast, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a great present for your boyfriends, why not us? Right,

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Speaker 1: Ellie arms girlfriend if you're listening, a great present for him.

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Speaker 1: But I think he already has some thanks to our friends.

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Speaker 2: They did send me some, but I'm probably gonna go

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Speaker 2: through it quickly. I'll be honest. I was probably gonna

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Speaker 2: go through it quickly. The ball deoder and the ball toner.

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Speaker 1: It's enough, set enough se so make sure you use

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Speaker 1: those codes. Of course, we'll be back on Monday for

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Speaker 1: a recap of game one and game two, and with that,

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Speaker 1: thank you everybody.