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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul.

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Speaker 2: Anka and my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends

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Speaker 2: for decades and we've decided to let you in on

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Speaker 2: our late night phone calls by starting a new podcast and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet some

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Speaker 1: real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: They're leaders in entertainment and sports.

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Speaker 1: Innovators in business and technology, and even as sitting president

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Speaker 1: or two.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 2: asked before. Tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 2: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 3: If you say Chief's unqualified, there's only two explanations for

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Speaker 3: that segment. You're stupid or you're racious, because honestly, she'd

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Speaker 3: want to in terms of just qualification DA attorney General, senator,

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Speaker 3: vice president, she might be one of the most qualified

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Speaker 3: non incumbents to ever run for president.

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Speaker 4: Ay Skip, Hello, Hey, they ring their phone ring is

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Speaker 4: better than that spend in the past. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: I had it fixed?

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Speaker 4: Did you get your nose fixed from their cold gead?

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Speaker 4: Or were you sick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I had a little VIRUSO nose

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Speaker 1: just spier the menu of light who hears.

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Speaker 4: I love that you sleep it off. That's my favorite gstip.

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Speaker 4: When you get sick, I go right to the medicine

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Speaker 4: cabinet and you go right to the billow leaf let.

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Speaker 1: That body redo its thing, you know. But it's cool,

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Speaker 1: everything's fine. I don't I don't want it about that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited, man, because one of my favorite dudes,

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Speaker 1: your buddy, is coming on and it's gonna give me

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Speaker 1: some relief from listening a lot of this jokes I've

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Speaker 1: been watching with this Olympics. Have you with governess? My god?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of love blogs and.

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Speaker 4: You gotta watch the highlights at the end. I don't

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Speaker 4: watch it live.

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Speaker 1: I was so disappointed in a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's just terrible.

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Speaker 4: How about the opening and going down this going down

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Speaker 1: That was first of all, I miss everybody coming into

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Speaker 1: the state. What's what the folks? It looks like a

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Speaker 1: bad carnival day and reel up its floats are going

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Speaker 1: down the river. And I love Paris, and I think

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Speaker 1: it was a little mischew right from the flag upside

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Speaker 1: down and calling the South Koreans door. You know, I

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Speaker 1: mean it was judged that, but it's a great city

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Speaker 1: and there's some Listen, it's all about those athletes. Got

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Speaker 1: to take your hat off to those kids. They're unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: God bleives them.

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Speaker 4: Man, second best thing that been embarrassed this year was

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Speaker 4: first when you got that special honor.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's a dubious distinction next to those kids.

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Speaker 1: I admire them so much. Their dedication is just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So how excited are we a bus getting your guy

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Speaker 1: on there?

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Speaker 5: Huh?

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Speaker 4: James Jamess. James is so great and he has no

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Speaker 4: filter whatsoever, and he will cross any barrier, any line.

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Speaker 4: You know, he just says what he feels. He's Look,

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Speaker 4: he's been right more than he's been wrong, let's put

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Speaker 4: it that way. And you know he's been known for,

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Speaker 4: you know, being a brilliant strategist. You know what he

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Speaker 4: did with Clinton saying it's about the economy stupid. You know,

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Speaker 4: he's a guy that's just he's a savant. He truly

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Speaker 4: is a political savant and he's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: But when we get him on I want you to

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Speaker 4: ask him. He'll be good if you ask him about

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Speaker 4: you know, where he thinks his election is going. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: you know, he'll he'll tell you his thoughts on that.

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Speaker 4: And so that's his thing, right, Well, believe that people

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Speaker 4: who said that, you know, the Democrats don't have anybody.

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Speaker 4: His argument is there's actually a very deep bench on

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Speaker 1: Into that interesting times we're in and he'll certainly get

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, what do you want to ask him anything

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a touting artificial intelligence with you viearers,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be the real change

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Speaker 1: that that's going to change the landscape artificial intelligence terms

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and also ask him, you know, the biggest challenge

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Speaker 4: what does he see there? But I think he's going

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Speaker 4: to tell you that we need optimism, so it'll be

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Speaker 4: interesting to hit him on that. But he's he's a

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Speaker 4: political genius, there's no question about it. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: Well, it'll be fun and it'll be very educating, which

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Speaker 1: is nice to like the lyrics around smarting feet all

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Speaker 1: the time. That's why I'm with you. Sure you go,

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Speaker 1: So that's it. But you're going to go back and

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Speaker 1: watch the Olympics. Yeah, and watch that watch that really

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Speaker 1: the Olympics and then I'm gonna call you and say

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Speaker 1: good night.

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Speaker 4: Sounds sounds like a plan. Love love, I love you.

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Speaker 2: It is the man. What's happening, brother?

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you're brown.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've got my partner and my betting partner

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Speaker 2: and my brother Paul Anka up on the top there.

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Speaker 1: James, Hey man, hey man, it's a pleasure meeting you know.

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Speaker 3: I went to hoste. We're a brown named Diana. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and that's how we are about. I'll break a.

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Speaker 1: Bark or out of br that I did.

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Speaker 3: All I got was music.

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Speaker 1: It was nice to meet you, James.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to me, I'm to be on the shower

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Speaker 3: and my dear friends skill.

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Speaker 2: I was just telling Paul earlier. I was trying to

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Speaker 2: remember exactly when we met. It was in the mid

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Speaker 2: nineties when Steve Wynn bought his first boat and he

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Speaker 2: and we were with you, you and Mary, with Edie

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Speaker 2: been friends all this time.

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Speaker 3: All the bats and all the losses.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, right up to today,

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Speaker 2: the way, he's my betting partner, so that's fun. And

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Speaker 2: I was going to also tell you, James that seven

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Speaker 2: you made it a bunch of predictions about what was

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Speaker 2: the campaign. Was at you the ninth of June, so

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Speaker 2: it was just a little over seven weeks ago. And

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Speaker 2: I was telling Paul literally everything that you predicted happened,

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Speaker 2: starting with you know, he really should move on. He's

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Speaker 2: been a really effective president, but it's time for another generation.

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Speaker 2: And if he doesn't agree to move on, they're going

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Speaker 2: But just everything you said was going to happen happened.

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Speaker 2: It was really pretty interesting.

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Speaker 3: You know what you get. I mean, you get a

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Speaker 3: five and zero weekend, you know what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: And so you so Paul asked me a question. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know the answer, and that was what motivated you

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Speaker 3: What was the reason? Well, but you know grew up

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Speaker 3: My grandfather was on what they call leg had a

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Speaker 3: And I went to sixth seventh grade in bat Rouge.

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Speaker 3: The parents sumited a Catholic through who was right by

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Speaker 3: all these colorful figures. And you know, if you grew

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's been more than you can count,

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Speaker 2: but would have been like the really significant changes that

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Speaker 3: Then you know skip. Honestly, in terms of communications, it

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Speaker 3: There are millions of Democrats and millions of Republicans that

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Speaker 3: wanted to say that everybody I grew up with it

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Speaker 3: of time. So, James, he just brought up a word

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Speaker 3: It kind of concerns me that it's become so tribal. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It is. You know, some chribalism is good. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't give to ship the Americans looking at where

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Speaker 1: Well, we're not a how mogenous society. Obviously, that's the

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Speaker 1: part of our problem. Historically, we're just not homogenous.

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Speaker 3: Never happened. Yeah, you know, Paul, what we were coming up,

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Speaker 3: And I think we've become we got bored of what

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned the nineties, which was interesting because back

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Speaker 2: And I think the messaging too is important. You know,

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Speaker 3: And my reply, what are you so bad about? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Let to have. The haves have never had it better.

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Speaker 3: you know, what when you have a country that people

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Speaker 3: are trying to get into, you don't have as big

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Speaker 3: a problem. If you have a country that people are

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Speaker 3: trying to get out of, that's for sure. If it's

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Speaker 3: just become the dinner party clap track, Oh well, we're

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Speaker 3: on charital problem with over border. Actually we don't. We did.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at the number of crossings and

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Speaker 3: most by the way, wouldn't economists go back and look

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Speaker 3: at this. Why are we going at two point eight

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Speaker 3: percent in the United Kingdom going a zero point two percent.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people think it's immigration that's driving our growth,

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Speaker 3: but we don't have we had a border problem.

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Speaker 2: But again, when you talk about perception, you're in the South,

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Speaker 2: Paul and I are in southern California. If you're in

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Speaker 2: southern California, you would believe that we're being inundated with

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Speaker 2: immigrants coming across the border illegally. I'm just saying in

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Speaker 2: terms of you talk about perception.

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Speaker 3: Right, there's forty percent of the people in the country.

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Speaker 3: I think, or if it's flat, that doesn't make the

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Speaker 3: earth fucking flat? Okay, he If you have a perception

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Speaker 3: in the perception is not Look, I go to La

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Speaker 3: and you're right. And when you live in a warm

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Speaker 3: weather climate, which is why people live there, guess what.

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Speaker 3: Allless people rather be in Los Angeles than be in Minneapolis. Gee,

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Speaker 3: I wonder why, and but yes you do. But everybody

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Speaker 3: has a perception. But the perception should be at least grounded.

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Speaker 3: And every time I go, I hear about how everybody's

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Speaker 3: leaving California and I'm stuck in fucking traffic. Okay, in

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Speaker 3: the housing prices get going, somebody's left. I don't know

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Speaker 3: where they are, but they're left there, So you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not. Of course, we had a problem.

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Speaker 2: But doesn't social media play a big part in this?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it does. We've always had bad information and

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Speaker 3: that there's nothing we can do with it, but we do.

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Speaker 3: We do have objective metrics we can look at and

466
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Speaker 3: you could look at the border metrics and it will

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Speaker 3: clearly tell you we had a terrible thing. Because Biden

468
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Speaker 3: listened to a bunch of idiotic people finally figured out

469
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Speaker 3: that these people are really stupid and kind of self corrected.

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Speaker 3: They had a piece of legislation that everybody's for. On

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Speaker 3: border patrol, people will ford our law enforcement sign the

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Speaker 3: front and Trump makes one phone call and then I

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Speaker 3: got people telling me that Biden's got a border problem.

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Speaker 3: What in Trump will This is the diet that killed

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Speaker 3: the legislation. But to be polite, I'm supposed to sit

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Speaker 3: there and nod and agree with everybody. It's just not factual, James.

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Speaker 1: You can say about everybody not agree. You know, you

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Speaker 1: look at us humans, and like other primates, we're a

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Speaker 1: gregarious luck. We enjoy each other's company. But this politics

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Speaker 1: of separated us when you know, I'd go to Washington

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Speaker 1: a lot for years, you know, and lunch would break

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Speaker 1: and both sides would meet. Today, it's frightening. You socially

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Speaker 1: have to shut up your alienator of people that know

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Speaker 1: what's side you're on it.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of troubling. How does that all come back together?

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Speaker 3: The world? We can talk well again the geograph. So

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Speaker 3: most people in Congress represent overwhelming the safe districts. In

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Speaker 3: other words, they represent San Francisco or something like that,

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Speaker 3: or they represent you know, East Tennessee. So one of

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Speaker 3: the things that you could A couple of things you

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Speaker 3: could do is you could really not have gerimandering, of

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Speaker 3: which the Supreme Court is given the green light to

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Speaker 3: where the state legislatures and be fair, you could say

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Speaker 3: they have California did the same thing. Draws legislative districts

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Speaker 3: are just protecting combats. Another thing that could help on

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Speaker 3: the margins, and I'm just say it's eight is this

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Speaker 3: kind of right voting. Another thing that that could help

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Speaker 3: is that when by the way bipartition things have happened

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Speaker 3: that the infrastructure bill is, is it staggering accomplishment both

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Speaker 3: political accomplishment and then great for the United States. We're

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Speaker 3: actually building things right now. But what causes it is

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Speaker 3: that we don't have enough people running where you have

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Speaker 3: to appeal to a broad and based constituency, and that

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Speaker 3: causes siloing, and siloing leads to not very good results.

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Speaker 2: So if you look at the two sides, some would

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Speaker 2: argue that if Kamalie Harris loses this election, she's done.

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Speaker 2: That's her, the end of her political career. But if

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Speaker 2: Trump loses, Trump is yeah, right, I'm just curious, how

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Speaker 2: do you feel about that?

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Speaker 3: That's that's true. I agree with it. I think she

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Speaker 3: got off track with a twenty twenty campaign, But other

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Speaker 3: than that, I think for the most part, she's a

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Speaker 3: rather mainstream. There's nothing mainstream about magnism. It is a hateful,

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Speaker 3: disgusting philosophy. And yes, it will live because we'll never

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Speaker 3: get rid of that. And I think it's you know,

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Speaker 3: there's the most interesting thing. There was Kathy Barnette. You

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Speaker 3: may never heard of. She ran for this in the

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Speaker 3: Senate privatey twenty four and two in Pennsylvania. She's very, very,

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Speaker 3: very very magaet. She's actually a happen to be a

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Speaker 3: black woman who cares and said, you got to understand,

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Speaker 3: Maga was here before Trump, and maga will be here

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Speaker 3: after Trump. Trump did not invent this. It was there

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Speaker 3: and it's not going to go away with him. And

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Speaker 3: you know, that's the country we always lived in. And

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Speaker 3: the only thing that's going to kill that's killed or

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Speaker 3: wounded severely to actually irritate it. How many people come

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Speaker 3: to me and say, man, my kids are just entirely Dinmer, right,

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Speaker 3: they were here, our grandchildren of is. They don't buy

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Speaker 3: into the starbage, they really don't.

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Speaker 2: But it sure has a massive following.

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Speaker 3: But they had not gotten Okay, let's back up. Then

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Speaker 3: number broke forty seven in the national election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but to your point is roughly half the country

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Speaker 2: is on one side and half the countries on either.

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Speaker 3: I think we deal in with the world more than half,

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Speaker 3: by the way. So what I see all the time

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Speaker 3: I read this, said Tyler Cowen and Brett Stevens. What's

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Speaker 3: how to fix the Democratic Party? Well, we hadn't lost

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Speaker 3: an election in two years. We're only dysfunctional if you

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Speaker 3: don't count votes. If you count votes, where do we lose.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's something going on in the country, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a fifty to fifty thing, but

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, we elect you. They've started with

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Speaker 3: Biden in there. People weren't against Biden because of his policies.

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Speaker 3: We all against it because it was too.

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Speaker 5: Old James with the Democrats relieved with replacing Biden's stream,

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Speaker 5: is it truly excitely for Harris or simply anyone.

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Speaker 3: But Chill his second, anyone but Jill. Harris was a

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Speaker 3: beneficiary of being there. Okay, there was no giant Harris

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Speaker 3: and grounds for it. But everybody's like, oh God, we

551
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Speaker 3: got something different, thank God. And you could feel it.

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Speaker 3: You can just feel it. You don't have to be

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Speaker 3: a political expert or anything. You just live in the

554
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Speaker 3: world and you could just feel a giant pim relief

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Speaker 3: coming out of the country. And by the way, Trump

556
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Speaker 3: has a real problem with JD. Banns. This is a real,

557
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Speaker 3: real water Cooper issue. I mean, you start talking about

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Speaker 3: women's you know, reproductive that they don't like that at all.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't go but big yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So James, with Harris taking Biden's place, is this

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for her to tone down the rhetoric. I

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Speaker 1: don't think her rhetoric has been overwhelm the extreme, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think she needs to. Yeah, I think they

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Speaker 1: have to be careful because I think they can. You

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Speaker 1: don't need to go that far. You got to make

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Speaker 1: the contrast between this teaching to pay us hopeing non hope,

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Speaker 1: and the danger that she runs is to get too

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Speaker 1: cool for school to get to go to the convention

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Speaker 1: and it becomes a Hollywood and all the hip people

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Speaker 1: are there, and you know, people sometimes resent that. You

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Speaker 1: gotta you gotta be careful. I've been very critical of

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Speaker 1: what I call metropolitan triumphalism or coastal condensation, and you

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Speaker 1: gotta that's a tendency that exists within certain elements of

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Speaker 1: a democratic party that that they need to take a

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Speaker 1: back seat in my bid.

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Speaker 2: So tell me go back to the JD vance point

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Speaker 2: just for a minute. So I know that you had

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Speaker 2: said to me in the past, who said skip. You

579
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Speaker 2: know we got a deep bench in Democrat Party who

580
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Speaker 2: started rattling off a bunch of names. I know you're

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Speaker 2: big on Governor Basher among others. But with the down

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Speaker 2: to let's say, roughly for people, is there one that

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Speaker 2: stands out to you in terms of somebody that would

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Speaker 2: make the most sense for from a politic, from a

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Speaker 2: rape win the race point of view.

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Speaker 3: So I did a substat video very much. And when

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Speaker 3: you tick a vice president, there's only one thing you

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Speaker 3: give a shit about, and that's winning the election. So

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00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: let's go back and look at some famous successful prices.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Abraham Lincoln liked Andrew Johnson? He told

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Speaker 3: him to shut his goddamn mouth the day after it

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Speaker 3: was inaugurate. Do you think that Frank and rose out

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Speaker 3: like john Nam's gardener? Shit, give me a break. You

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Speaker 3: think Kennedy liked Lyndon Johnson? You think Reagan liked George HW. Bush.

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Speaker 3: So cut this bullshit where you got to get a

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Speaker 3: governing partner and it's got to be somebody your confu it. No,

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Speaker 3: you got to win the election. That's the first thing

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Speaker 3: you got to do. Again, Trump to show you so

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Speaker 3: brita story today. I think it was in the Wall

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Speaker 3: Street Journal and so truck to having Donnis that Don

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Speaker 3: Junior says in Tucker said you should pick jd Vance

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Speaker 3: and Trump literally said, quote, I think I saw him

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Speaker 3: on television one time and he was pretty good unquote.

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Speaker 3: That's what it was based on. I mean, you're really

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Speaker 3: gonna give that much thought. And of course the guy

606
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Speaker 3: is profoundly weird, and they're gonna keep digging stuff up.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna stop. And the Democrats are just going

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Speaker 3: to just pound just They're gonna pumble it.

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Speaker 2: So who would who are you a good choice for

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Speaker 2: the Democrats?

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Speaker 3: I think anybody target. I think more can be great.

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Speaker 3: To Wals be great, Josh a good friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: God offensive Bay, you be great. I don't think there's like.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Gretchen James.

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Speaker 3: Well, she was pretty definitive that she hadn't moren it.

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Speaker 3: I would be fine with her. I love her, so

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Speaker 3: fix the damn robes. But but I'm afraid that they're

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Speaker 3: going to let these policy people govern them and'd worry

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Speaker 3: about who's a governing part of it. But I don't

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Speaker 3: see that Indian d there's just so many, so much

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Speaker 3: talent Democratic for her dates, I could give you eight

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Speaker 3: other people that would be just as good. The guy

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Speaker 3: I really like is Skips Connecticut guy Chris Murphy. I

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Speaker 3: think he's one of the best round. But he knows

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Speaker 3: who he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Connecticut doesn't do They don't need they're gonna

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Speaker 2: win Connecticut, they don't do it.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that. See, that's the mistake. That's what

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Speaker 3: people have said. You picked Gore why is a guy

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Speaker 3: from Arkansas for their god from Tennessee? Because you want

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Speaker 3: two plus two to equal four point one? All right,

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Speaker 3: that's the trick of picking somebody. You want to create

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Speaker 3: some chemistry where the public sees something that. Honestly, I

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Speaker 3: wish she would pick Bashir Why because he's just the

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Speaker 3: youngest one in screams generational change. He gives the votes

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Speaker 3: in states where Democrats don't get bopes. He's been a

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Speaker 3: successful But I don't think she will. But he asked

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Speaker 3: me my first choice would be miss Landrew because the

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Speaker 3: best communicator in the party. What you want when you

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Speaker 3: run it is you want somebody that can's got you

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Speaker 3: back and got your flank. Then I can do that,

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Speaker 3: but I'll approach it is a sly political decision, and

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid they're going to approach it as a governing decision,

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Speaker 3: which I think is stupid. James.

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Speaker 1: Theoretically, don't we need someone who can fight? I mean

646
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Speaker 1: we needed to attack dog someone with no track record.

647
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Speaker 1: I mean one of the main reasons Obama got elected

648
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: he had no history. And it's a game about winning,

649
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: plain and simple, right.

650
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got to have some history. But you

651
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: want to get the best communicated. You want to get

652
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 3: the person that can best take us take a shot

653
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: and then fired back. But yes, you want and that's essential.

654
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: But the pontificating classes, you know, the chin scratches, the

655
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: her offers, say all this governing partner nonsense. And I've

656
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: just been around this too long and when I see that,

657
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: it causes me to throw condiments at the wall.

658
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: Back in the day, if you had a woman of

659
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: color running at the top of the ticket, you wouldn't

660
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: have a Jewish vice president. Taught in terms of you know,

661
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: Jos Shapiro, you think that's still a factor or you

662
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: think not after Obama won, I.

663
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: Don't think Joe Lee would cost our goal forty pound

664
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Speaker 3: books and Josh, the only thing that they might be

665
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: saying is he's been pretty far out there in Middle East. Okay,

666
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: they may think, well if we do that, well, I

667
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: think that this is so disipict I don't it. Maybe

668
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: it's just me. I don't think it's a fact. I

669
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Speaker 3: don't think it hurt Lieberman at all. Jos shapirol one

670
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: like fifty eight percent of the fucking vote in Pennsylvania,

671
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: and I yeah, in those days were like that, but

672
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: I think the new days are better. Like I said,

673
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: I would care if she picked the other woman. I

674
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: can't think of a Jewish woman she could dig with,

675
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: but if there was, it would bother me. Not in

676
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: the East, and I don't think it would be. You know,

677
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: most of the people that care about that, they're not

678
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: a rote Democratic. You're not going to get them. That's

679
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: just not available to you, because if you felt that

680
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: was important, you wouldn't be a Democrat. If you thought

681
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: identity and race and a person's religion was important, then

682
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: the Republican party is your natural vote. If you don't

683
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: give a shit, you're a Democrat.

684
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: James, speaking of Israel, how volatile a test was that

685
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: for Harris and her presidency.

686
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: Campaign, Well, Paul, it's something that's always been with us,

687
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 3: our works who'd whatever. Of course, Ahood and Bill Clinton

688
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: had the road back for the way to do it,

689
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: and you know our fat stupidly killed it. BB was

690
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: against it. And it's really have to take some responsibility.

691
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: October seventh was the greatest act of negligence in the

692
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: last seventy five years. It just was not justified with

693
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: Tamas did at all. But that didn't you know it

694
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: is no needs leadership, not the leadership they got. They

695
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: need some new and they don't do it. They need

696
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: something new and they need like a fresh approach because

697
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: it's you know, I believe this should be a Jewish

698
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: state in the Eastern Mediterranean and perpetuity. How we accomplished

699
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: that is sceptly what we came up with in nineteen

700
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: ninety nine. You have two distinct states. You have you know,

701
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: you reconfigure some borders. You have a d. Mills or

702
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: his own the Ghost States and the United States help

703
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: rebuild gossip and where it is, and you're gonna have

704
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: struggles and you're gonna have everything, but you're gonna have

705
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: a past to piece. And if you don't have that,

706
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: you're not gonna have a pastor piece. And you're gonna

707
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: have more and more events like this. And I think

708
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: it's as difficult than it is. This solution has always

709
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 3: been the tough one, and it's it's a two party state.

710
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: That's the solution. There's no other one.

711
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: There are a lot of issues in the world that

712
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: are less complicated than this one.

713
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 6: A long time skip for a long time baby.

714
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: If you had your say, would you still have an

715
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: electoral college?

716
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: Well, I don't hear I say, and it's I wouldn't.

717
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter because we're going to have one

718
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: because I don't think it's never going to go along

719
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: with losing this influence. And you know what it does,

720
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: I think is it doesn't know.

721
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: No.

722
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: You know, people in California or people in Tennessee, Texas,

723
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: they never get to see a presidential candidate, they never

724
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: get to see a campaign unfold in front of them.

725
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: And there's some chance I have a revote, there's some

726
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: chance it might inspire somebody and maybe somebody will get

727
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: in politics themselves. But you know, when you again, what

728
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: I don't like about it is contributes to sortie and

729
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: I don't like sorting. But it's not going to change,

730
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: no more than the fact that eighteen percent of the

731
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: United States elects fifty two senators. That's a fact. And

732
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: you guess what it's not gonna change. It's highly undemocratic,

733
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: it's highly unsafe, it highly By the way, there was

734
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: a great story in the Wall Street Journal to day

735
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: about how rural America is just falling apart. They can't

736
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: even find people to be librarians anymore. And you know,

737
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 3: we all profess that, you know, rural America is part

738
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: of our heritage. We're letting it just rot, just fall off.

739
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: And it's no wonder. I can't tell you how many

740
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: rural hospitals have closed in Mississippi. And I think that

741
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 3: there is a real crisis all across rural America, and

742
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: I think we're paying insfficient petition to it. But this

743
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: story in the Journal today, I think it was today

744
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: about the small town in Maine there is for the

745
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: focal point. By the way, Maine is one of the

746
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: most rural states in the United States, I think Maine

747
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: North Carolina probably won two. And you know, my part

748
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 3: of the world where I keep hearing people refer to

749
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: blacks is to urban market. I don't know how to

750
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: break the news. There's a lot of blacks of living

751
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: in rural America. You an't trying to do Mississippi Delta

752
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: just to take a drive through it and see. So

753
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: I think rural America gets more far to little attention here.

754
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: So to that end, no matter what party is in control,

755
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: what policy here is, do you think the next administration

756
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: should prioritize.

757
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: I think there's a crisis in rural America. Whether you

758
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: can get people to prioritize that politically, I'm not sure.

759
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: I think that Paul is right that I'm not. We

760
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: can't stop AI, but you can shape things. And I

761
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: think it's something that they're going to have to really

762
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: really think about. And I think we're going to have

763
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 3: to decide do we still want to be part of

764
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: maintaining global order. Do we want to be active in

765
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: keeping the South China Sea open, the Singapore Straits or

766
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: the Suez Canal, all of these choke points in the

767
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: world economy. So did that I think is like a

768
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: huge yess. I mean, not to be predictable, but how

769
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: do we adjust our education system to give our young

770
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 3: people the kind of tools they need because the tools

771
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: they need are not the same tools that the people

772
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: we grew up with needed. Entirely different, entirely different.

773
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 4: True.

774
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think that I agree with you, James.

775
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: I think that we get back to the basic with

776
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: these young people and reading, writing and arithmetics.

777
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: Learn how to write code, sua, and.

778
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: They got to look at the history. I think that

779
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: that becomes very predominant today.

780
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: You know that somebody said that future economy is going

781
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: to have a machine, a man, and a dog, and

782
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: the doll demands job is to feed the doll, and

783
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: the dogs job is to make sure the man doesn't

784
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: touch the machine.

785
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: So so we have enough time, right, Everybody say we

786
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: don't have enough time, and sure, she's obviously it, but

787
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: we have enough time, right. I mean, you look at France,

788
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: they Fratz turned on a dime. Britain held an election

789
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: in a short period of time, so.

790
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: It's you can't, you can't in Britain, you can't. It's

791
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: six weeks direct, you can't talk about powellticar Si to

792
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: hate and forgot what he was years between nine early

793
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: in November.

794
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: It's just the old folgist who want to play by

795
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: the old rules, right.

796
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: They don't like change, well, they don't generally people that

797
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: do pretty well.

798
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

799
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: The other big problem we have is when people look

800
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: at the economy. We got one accountms for people like us.

801
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 3: It's pretty goddamn good. You just be about to people.

802
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: You throw spaghetti at the stog walk that you get

803
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: more spaghetti. And you know, high interest rates help people

804
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: who are net sabers. Young people don't see themselves with

805
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: interest rates. Insurance it's a huge issue. Insurance issues, the

806
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: cost of education. What does it cost You want to

807
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: go to Southern cattle grew up and watch them in

808
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: a roadbow. You can afford seventy five thousand dollars a

809
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: year ago to Southern cap So there is a a

810
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: a generally, I think there's we have to address issues

811
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: that really pertain young people and address a lot of

812
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: issues that really pertain to rural America. I think both

813
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: of them are well. Other parts are getting ahead. They're not.

814
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: They're falling behind a little bit.

815
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Silicon Valley's really made the world in the intro.

816
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, then, and they will continue to remake it.

817
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: And you know that was your first question, AI, and

818
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: that's going to be what we're gonna have to deal with.

819
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: So getting away from politics, you know, being from being football,

820
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna pivot over there. But before we do, being

821
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: from Louisiana, which is a state that's obviously known for

822
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: a rich culinary history, I always forget to ask, as

823
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: well as I know you, I don't even know the

824
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: answer to this, but do you cook? What's your go

825
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: to dish? Well?

826
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: What I kind of cook. It's it's more mean, yeah,

827
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I'm making breakfast for the kids

828
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff. But you know, cooking to

829
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: us is it's four or five people in the family.

830
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: I mean somebody's slicing, someone's dicing, someone's saute in, someone's

831
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: making stock, someone's making roo. I see, food is a

832
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: communal in a family event, and obviously we are the

833
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: food that we that I cooked, it's pretty steeped. And

834
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: you know, louis out our traditions because I like the

835
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: food down here, but but yeah, I do. I'm I

836
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: always kind of found us out to like have a

837
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: cooking show but I'll never do that. But yeah, I

838
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: enjoy I draw food. I enjoy preparing it, smelling it,

839
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: eating it. I don't like cleaning it up too much.

840
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: I don't have to.

841
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: What about music? What about music? It's just is country

842
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: your only genre? Do you like all kids?

843
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: I like? I like old R and D stuff. I

844
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: actually like a lot of the old patriotic songs a lot.

845
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm a taste of way and I equated.

846
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't know much about it anymore,

847
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: None of us do, James, I'm in the business. I

848
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: don't know anymore. I'll tell you what. The most amazing

849
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: thing I've ever seen is Taylor Swift. She just then

850
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: I don't think came here. I can't tell you one song.

851
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: She's something, But the cultural impact of that can't figure.

852
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: There's a great, a great R and V. Duff that

853
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: skip turned me onto on Stax record You remember Stacks, Yeah,

854
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: Salmon Dade, Isaac Gays.

855
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: Based in Memphis, based out of Memphis.

856
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: Check it out.

857
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: It's a great documentaries on Stax Records because I grew

858
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: up in that era also. But it really is very

859
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: informative and it's a great story it's really a good doc.

860
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad you turned me onto that.

861
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: Skip. Now, I think that you know, the history is

862
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: like it was started in a lot of that in

863
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 3: Memphis and the Missippi Delta. Yeah, I think I think

864
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: the New Orleans contribution was pretty powerful in really early days.

865
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 3: I mean, that's is bigger than Elbush in like nineteen

866
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: get to say that's Domino was my guy. Yeah, that's

867
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 3: he just never wanted to move.

868
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: He couldn't do it with three hundred pounds. Yeah, but listen,

869
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: I do very well.

870
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 3: He's a nice guy.

871
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh, he was a sweetheart, James. He came to Canada

872
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: where I lived, and I broke into this stadium when

873
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: he was performing with Take Little Richard Chuck Berry, and

874
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: he was so nice to me. You know.

875
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: I sang Diana.

876
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: Too, which was probably the worst song I ever wrote,

877
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: and he was so inspiring.

878
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: Always liked it be honest with you.

879
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: Well, I like.

880
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: Honesty and clarity, but Fats looked to be He's Tony,

881
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry.

882
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: You just keep believing. You just keep believing.

883
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: So the following year it became such a hit and

884
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: Skip you'll love this and James and I'm on the

885
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: bill with Fats Domino, and he was like a mentor.

886
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: And what I remember was along with him being so

887
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: gracious with me before.

888
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: He go on.

889
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: You know, he had that knees on that fan like Yeah,

890
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: the two guys would come in and turn them upside

891
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: down on his head and they'd take this Niels and

892
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: effort opened up the stand him up, partaking shot of

893
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: whiskey and to go on stage. But he was the

894
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: greatest guy. You're right, A lot of great stuff come

895
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: out of New Orleans.

896
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, news right, me not well, but you know, he

897
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: just never he never wanted to lead the nith War.

898
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he just he just wiped. He was compling.

899
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: I wrote, got fogged down? Was his agent. This is

900
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: some years ago. He said, James, I could have got

901
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: Fat to moved with wassh Ams. I could have made

902
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: five covers. Is much money. And they said, you ain't

903
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: gonna get I told by in a little bit Fat

904
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles. It's the way.

905
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: Well, my partner, he lives on the hamster wheel. He's traveling.

906
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: This guy that's on this podcast with us is the

907
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: only man that's better. A record in the Billboard Top

908
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: one hundred and seven decades, seven kids out.

909
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, you're making me steal. Oh now I

910
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: had to do it. No, but I love that. I

911
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: was raised on rhythm of blues.

912
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: I studied as a kid. You know, I emulated it

913
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: when I started writing. And you know, back then when

914
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: I grew up, we wadified that music. We were a

915
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: clergyman's answer to what was going on because they had

916
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: their stations. We had our station. But what an influence

917
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: when you look at every decade that whole black experience,

918
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: even to brives it. And I think a lot of

919
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: it came out at early R and B stra Yeah,

920
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: for sure. By the way, that one of the things

921
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: want to asking somebody she found this interesting, Paul, that

922
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: they did a study of New Orleans musicians and the

923
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: greatest predictor of how good a musician was was how

924
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: integrated the neighborhood was. The people don't realize that whites

925
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: were very influential in early jazz. The word is influential

926
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: as about let me stipulate that blots.

927
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: Were much more influential. Yeah, you go work at these

928
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: early jazz bands. They used to have a photo display

929
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: it and New Orleans, I am it would struck you

930
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: as like a quarter on the white. And what they did,

931
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: which destroyed, is destroyed. It set this whole thing back

932
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: was there was a place in the yard. It's called

933
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: story build and it was a legal wholehouse history, to

934
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: put it bluntly, And they all came up and there's

935
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: an expression you can like a piano player in a whorehouse.

936
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: Because all of the musicians, most of them were black.

937
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: In the Navy in nineteen seventeen decided they wanted to

938
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 3: close it because the sailors getting the clack. And when

939
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: they closed it, that's how jazz went to Saint Louis

940
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: and Chicago and spread out. It all started with whorehouse.

941
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: Louis Avstrom, of course, but he was a little bit

942
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: he was was born think the nineteen oh three, but

943
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: he was he was totally formed by that entire coach.

944
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: And by the way, Skipp, did you know Louis Armstrong

945
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: was brought up by Jewish Jewish Jewish family. That's right, Jewish,

946
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 3: that's correct, really Jewish family. I mean, just a classic

947
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: example of multiculturalism like you've never seen before. Very true.

948
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: So speaking of family, your wife Mary Mattline, one of

949
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: the greats just crazy about her. So what's your secret

950
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 2: strategy to winning an argument with Mary?

951
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 3: Don't ever listen? Just listen. You never lost the war.

952
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: You didn't fight him. You listen.

953
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: You want to talk to listen.

954
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: That's an answer for the greats, one of the great strategists,

955
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: Paul that we have.

956
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't avoid him, just say yes.

957
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: So James, you know, Skip would call me now every

958
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: weekend with football and you say you won't believe it.

959
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: Could guess who I'm getting my games from. So he

960
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: laid on me right, And I have my guys, my

961
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: connection in Vegas, and I compare the too.

962
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: You did pretty good last year great I had. It

963
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: might have been a little twenty twenty two, but you know,

964
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: you know these things, I'll revert to the to the norm.

965
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 3: So maybe this year will be so good. We'll see.

966
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: We've got some good games, are I'll tell you that

967
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: college season I'll get pretty excited about with all these

968
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: conference changes. I love college I love and you know

969
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: we play both. We play Southern col We opened with

970
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: them in Las Vegas. We play UCLA and bad.

971
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: Rouge didn't know that.

972
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: And I think that I think college football needs those

973
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: kind LSU seven Cow games. I think it's good for it.

974
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: How about Las Vegas didn't have one professional sports team,

975
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: and now.

976
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: What's capital of the plexit? Of course it's it's amazing

977
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: that the Washington both would not put college lines in

978
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: the paper. Now that I will run betting shits exactly.

979
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: You know, James, I lived in Vegas from the late sixties,

980
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: the dot to do the you know that. And I

981
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: worked for the boys, you know, so I sut all

982
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: the good information. But there was one guy that I mentioned.

983
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: There was Roxy Rocksbury. I believe he lived in a

984
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: little apartment.

985
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: Steve used to talk about him.

986
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he would set the line for the whole country.

987
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: And I was sitting down with a guy named Irwi Abrals.

988
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: We called him Lucky Abrams out of Chicago.

989
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: He was the guy with the best record. He used

990
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: to say to me, be careful of the hook. Be

991
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: careful of the hook. Skiff the game was three.

992
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: The boys would lay on the hook because they knew

993
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: they could beat you with it. Sometimes I'm I buy

994
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: the hook, exactly, I buy the hook. You know.

995
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: They will say over a period of time, it's not smart,

996
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: but I've been killed by the hook. I agree, Well, I.

997
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: Lucky said by the hook.

998
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: But two years ago, because I always called James on Friday,

999
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: kept my picks from him on Friday. Two years ago,

1000
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: you were killing it. I mean, but so far since

1001
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: I've been following you, you've had a winning record, so

1002
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: that that's hard to accomplish.

1003
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was documented in twenty twenty two

1004
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: to break sixty two percent against your spread. That's almost impossible, pauls.

1005
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: Vegas guys have been good too, the ones I've given

1006
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: you from them, we'll give me.

1007
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: Let's let's prepare. I don't mind all the information I

1008
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 3: can get.

1009
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: You play the totals, James, do you like the totals.

1010
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: If the guy? Yeah, I generally like straight bets better,

1011
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: but that's just because there's what I grew up. But yeah,

1012
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: I'll do that too.

1013
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: Sure, I'll tease a total. I mean, it's a it

1014
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: suckers bet. But if you have to really sub a teaser,

1015
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: just a two teamer, you're total in a game.

1016
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 3: You could get. You can get some of the lesser

1017
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: particularly college games like under the big ten SEC kind

1018
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: of level. You can get just good total opportunities too.

1019
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: Just don't realize how banned the defense is you know

1020
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: you're not. I don't think the it totals like in

1021
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: the NFL, but they pretty much got that down.

1022
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: I love college. They play it right to the end,

1023
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: wait to the last second. The other guys, well, I don't.

1024
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: Know, give us your last pick. If you had a

1025
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: bet who wins the election?

1026
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: You know, work something I was told early in my

1027
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 3: career by letting their guys James, your role is not

1028
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 3: to predict elections, just to affect elections. But I think

1029
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 3: if ours doesn't fall into the kind of celebrity culture

1030
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 3: trap and positions it at the race about hope in

1031
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: the future, and I think she can run. But she's

1032
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: got to do she's got to execute those things and

1033
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: never ever ever let jd Vans up. You just have

1034
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 3: to keep kicking them and kicking in I mean vertly

1035
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 3: excuse me, because he's just a gift that's just going

1036
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: to give forever, Just give forever. But that. But if

1037
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: they do all of those things, then I think they

1038
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 3: can win.

1039
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: I think she's cozy and warm enough like Clifton, which

1040
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: is important, not cold.

1041
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: No, because not Bill Clinton. Who else is Bill Clinton?

1042
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: No?

1043
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: One, well exactly, but a lot of those guys had

1044
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: some prisone and wharf. You know, she came off very cool.

1045
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think she's I think she's showing that she's

1046
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: gotten better. I mean, she don't have to get better.

1047
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, but what I hear people, if you

1048
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: say she's unqualified, there's only two explanations for that statement.

1049
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: You're stupid or you're racious, because honestly, she's one of

1050
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: in terms of just qualification DA attorney General, senator, vice president,

1051
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: she might be one of the most qualified non incumbents

1052
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 3: that will run for president. Now you can say I

1053
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: don't wak a position. That's fine, that doesn't speak to anything.

1054
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: But the one thing we can say she's qualified.

1055
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: Rank all right, man, we're gonna let you go. We

1056
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time.

1057
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: Dame's real pleasure, real pleasure.

1058
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, y darn.

1059
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,920
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1060
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,840
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1061
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,960
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1062
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,720
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