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Speaker 1: Hey guys, you're back.

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Speaker 2: Oh normally the show was normal. It takes me and

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Speaker 2: it just gets weird. I'm Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Hume and I'm Carol Marcoitz Gary Catherine. I realized I

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Speaker 3: forgot to tell you. I wait. I went to go

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Speaker 3: see Nate Brigatti last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good.

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Speaker 3: It was so good. He's so normal. I just feel

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Speaker 3: like if I ever met him, I'd be like, your

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Speaker 3: brand is normal, Our brand is normal. I really enjoyed it,

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Speaker 3: super clean humor. I wish my kids were with me,

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Speaker 3: but the tickets were also really expensive, so you know,

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Speaker 3: just forget them. It was amazing. He was hilarious and

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Speaker 3: did just a really great job, you know, doing what he.

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Speaker 2: Does, undisputed king of the normies. He's He's so great.

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Speaker 2: I love any opportunity he gets. Just keep giving him stuff,

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Speaker 2: just like just like I want Doug Burgham and Marco

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Speaker 2: Rubert to have like so funny seven jobs. I'm happy

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Speaker 2: for Nate Bargazzi to have all the entertainment jobs.

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Speaker 4: So just do that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, love it.

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Speaker 2: So, by the way, I say, can I say also

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Speaker 2: that I'm coming off a nine to ten mile hike today,

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Speaker 2: so if my words give me yeh know.

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Speaker 3: Why I'll be there to help you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I have very few friends who would

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Speaker 2: have wanted to join me on that one, and I

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Speaker 2: have one friend who did and we made it happen.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I know, I'm at the bottom of that

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Speaker 3: list of friends who would want to join you. Like

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Speaker 3: that was my gut feeling for drinks afterwards. Maybe you

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Speaker 3: know so Iran is still the top story of the week.

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Speaker 3: We are going to be releasing this episode a day

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Speaker 3: early because it is changing so quickly and we don't

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Speaker 3: know what's going to happen. We're recording this Tuesday night.

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Speaker 3: Trump was going to speak and then the White House

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Speaker 3: called a lid, so we don't know. He had a

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Speaker 3: two hour conversation with Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Yeah Who.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what they spoke about. Yet they've been

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Speaker 3: getting along and I think things are going pretty swimmingly.

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Speaker 3: Israel has frankly been on a tear. They've been dismantling

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Speaker 3: the place, and things are going very well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, Israel is surrounded by Iranian proxies.

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Speaker 2: Iranian proxies have been doing harm to American assets and

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Speaker 2: American soldiers and American races and American ships for years

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Speaker 2: and years and years done worse often to Israel. And again, I,

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Speaker 2: like I said, I don't want to assume that Iran

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Speaker 2: doesn't have capabilities that it might still have. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think I think Israel's intel has shown itself

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Speaker 2: to be extremely competent. I'm I'm sure they quite a

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Speaker 2: bit about it. But this does seem like just such

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Speaker 2: a high value opportunity to put this awful, violent regime

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Speaker 2: of all the things on its knees. Yeah, and there's

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Speaker 2: a yes seems like an open one given that Israel

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Speaker 2: took out all of their missile defenses pretty quick, it's

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Speaker 3: We are, Yeah, here we are. So the question has

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Speaker 3: been is this going to split MAGA and I have

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Speaker 3: a new poll to tell our listeners about that found

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Speaker 3: this is a poll of just Trump voters. So eighty

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Speaker 3: percent of Trump voters back the United States providing the

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Speaker 3: offensive weapons to Israel. I'm not surprised by that at all.

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Speaker 3: In addition, the poll found seventy two percent of voters

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Speaker 3: targeting to prevent the Iranian regime from developing nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 3: Then eighty percent of voters felt that I ran as

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Speaker 3: a destabilizing force, a sponsors terrorism, threatens US allies, and

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Speaker 3: undermines American interest throughout the region. Seventy two percent said

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Speaker 3: I ran with a serious threat to the United States

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Speaker 3: national security. Now let's be real here. This poll was

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Speaker 3: conducted yesterday and the day before, so Monday and Sunday.

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Speaker 3: It's very possible that Americans have seen Israel deliver a

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Speaker 3: total whooping on Iran in the last few days and decided, sure,

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Speaker 3: why not we could join in. That's fine, because I

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Speaker 3: don't think that if this poll was conducted before the

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Speaker 3: But it really does say something that there really isn't

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think something that I have pretty much

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Speaker 2: seem to know when the rubber hits the road wins

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Speaker 2: enemies instead opting for bombs. And the thing that I

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Speaker 2: think many Americans are okay with is an American foreign

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go nation build. I just want

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Speaker 2: and he has a record of doing it on solo money.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I got a hit, I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: the hit, and right, that's it. And I actually this

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Speaker 2: as our friend Smokes has turned to salsa, and everyone

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Speaker 2: at this sort of conventional table of foreign foreign policy

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Speaker 2: experts because it was very beltwigh situation was like, oh

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Speaker 2: World War three. He's done it. He's done the thing

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Speaker 2: we were afraid of, that we said he was going

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Speaker 2: And in fact it wasn't right because Trump takes the

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Speaker 2: And he's done that with the Houties, where he's bombed

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Speaker 2: them for six weeks. Actually from Noah Pollock had a

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Speaker 2: He says, this endless war shrieking is ridiculous. Trump bombed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think he you know, for all of

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Speaker 3: been telegraphing this for a long time. The White House released,

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Speaker 3: you know, a montage of Trump commenting on this over

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Speaker 3: but I felt like a lot of people who are

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Speaker 3: thought they just didn't understand it. And at the time

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Speaker 3: them to threaten America and our allies with terrorism or

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Speaker 3: nuclear attack. The time is right now for them to choose.

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Speaker 3: And I at the time was like, how do you

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Speaker 3: not hear this as a pro Israel speech? Which allies?

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Speaker 3: Does he mean here? It could only be Israel? So,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think people wanted and some anti Israel

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Speaker 3: people also heard this as an anti Israel speech, and

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Speaker 3: I was just perplexed at the time. I did not

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Speaker 2: I just think that I understand why people worry about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did it poorly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. A friend of mine tweeted at one point, not

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Speaker 2: I have many friends who lost limbs, I have families

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Speaker 2: who lost family members in those conflicts, trying to make

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Speaker 2: good on those promises, right. I understand people being war

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Speaker 2: Certainly most Republicans are comfortable with, yeah, and probably most

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Speaker 3: And those influencers, it turns out, are a stark minority,

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Speaker 3: And I feel like, you know, for a lot of

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Speaker 3: like that that's their prerogative, but don't try to sell

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Speaker 3: I know, retweeted a bunch of old tweets of mine

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Speaker 3: where Trump is saying Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon

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Speaker 3: I just don't see how anybody could have followed politics

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Speaker 3: for the last, you know, almost ten years of Trump

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think when it comes to foreign policy,

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Speaker 2: having credible threats, having capable allies who are doing the

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Speaker 2: kinds of amazing almost magical things that Israel is accomplishing

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Speaker 2: right now, it really is those things make peace. And

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Speaker 2: I know it's like it's an old saw, peace through strength,

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Speaker 2: we certainly lost it during Afghanistans withdrawal. And I just

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Speaker 2: the cheap get maybe a huge when in the region.

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Speaker 3: I mean absolutely, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Mad at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. You know. Trump had a comment today he

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Speaker 3: said on his truth social he said, we now have

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Speaker 3: complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't compare to American made, conceived and manufactured stuff.

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Speaker 3: Nobody does it better than the good old USA. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of people were like, we now have complete

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Speaker 3: and total control of the skies over Iran. Okay, Like

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Speaker 3: that's great.

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Speaker 2: You know why I can't credit it, but yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I didn't see the name. But somebody tweeted the kid

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Speaker 2: who does nothing the group project and still get today.

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Speaker 3: Somebody on one of my group chats said, it's like

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Speaker 3: when the husbands like, we're pregnant.

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Speaker 2: I did all this work.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, we shall keep you posted. But I

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Speaker 2: don't I think the split is overblown. I agree.

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Speaker 3: I agree, it is overblown and I really don't see

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Speaker 3: look again, you're the influencers. Can say what they want.

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Speaker 3: They can be angry about any military action at all,

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Speaker 2: Whole theatrical nonsense. Yeah, tonight's wear padilla and his situation

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would say that, you know, they represent

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Speaker 2: No one above the law? Yeah, or people above the law?

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing that can be your sincere take right.

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Speaker 3: Done brought that on himself, right, not wearing his pin

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Speaker 3: But I didn't. I didn't even think that they went

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Speaker 5: I was forced to the ground, first on my knees

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Speaker 4: Asking why am I being detained? Not once did they

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Speaker 3: Don't charge at the Secretary of Homeland Security as she's

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Speaker 2: Well, and once he pushes back on those officers, it

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Also, can I just like appro tip on reaching mail voters.

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Speaker 2: Stop crying. There's a lot of crying going on Act.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot Ken Martin, We're.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure, illegal right now worse?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pineapple and pizza and crying video.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm a violator, No violator.

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Speaker 3: No, in my uh, in my dictatorship, it would be illegal,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know how the news media sometimes does

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Speaker 2: choosing to forego high intensity camps and activities for their

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Speaker 2: children in favor of weeks of unplanned time. No way

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Speaker 2: call it. They got a name for it, kid rotting.

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Speaker 4: One.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the term rotting. Bed rotting is what

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Speaker 2: the youngs call just sitting around binging a TV. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not in favor of the term rotting. It just

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Speaker 2: grosses me out. Right. This is also just known as summer, right,

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Speaker 2: that's what used to be known as summer. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't need a new version. I fully agree.

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Speaker 3: And I wrote about a very similar thing in January

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Speaker 3: of twenty sixteen. It was during the time, you know,

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Speaker 3: between when kids are off for a break, and everybody

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Speaker 3: was like, what are your kids going to do? And

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Speaker 3: I had small kids, and I was like, what am

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Speaker 3: I going to do? We take them to the park

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Speaker 3: once a day, and you know, that's what I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do. My kids go to some version of camp.

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Speaker 3: They do also have a lot of downtime with no camp,

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Speaker 3: weeks and weeks of nothing going on. What I wrote

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Speaker 3: at the time is raising children is exhausting, and there's

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Speaker 3: no reason to make it more difficult by wearing ourselves

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Speaker 3: out in pursuit of entertainment for our kids. That's not

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Speaker 3: to say we shouldn't be involved in our children's lives

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Speaker 3: or long for some glory days where our moms chain

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Speaker 3: smoked cigarettes and played majong with their friends while we

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Speaker 3: entertained ourselves with matches and dry cleaner bags. There is

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Speaker 3: a happy medium, there is, and you know I mentioned

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Speaker 3: this on Fox the other day talking about this. But

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Speaker 3: my fifteen year old daughter has been sleeping till noon

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Speaker 3: every day, and good for her. She works really hard

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Speaker 3: all year. She's a straight A student. Let her enjoy

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Speaker 3: and then she'll have some you know, teen tours coming up.

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Speaker 2: I loved the way that they have to pay being

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Speaker 2: bored to high strung New York parents in this. By

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Speaker 2: the way, one of the camps on this list that

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Speaker 2: they mentioned in the New York Times piece, which, of course,

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Speaker 2: like all of this is out of my income bracket.

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Speaker 2: One of the camps is like the Metropolitan Museum of

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Speaker 2: Art maybe, and it's fifteen hundred dollars a week. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna check it, weld On, it's in here. Oh I

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Speaker 2: can't find it, okay, ive, Yeah. The point is at

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Speaker 2: one point in this piece, uh, they there's a person

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Speaker 2: who advises private school admissions missions consultant in Manhattan. She

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Speaker 2: advises these parents to give their kids some unscheduled time,

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Speaker 2: and she's she says, I tell them their kid will

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Speaker 2: be more ahead with their own experimentation versus taking a

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Speaker 2: class inside other children. She said. Registering for STEM camp,

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Speaker 2: for instance, may seem like a great idea to a parent,

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Speaker 2: but it can leave little room for a kid to

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Speaker 2: explore their natural curiosities. It's all adult driven.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to I have to just also add

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Speaker 3: this is I mean that New York you know type

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Speaker 3: a thing is so so real. But when my daughter

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Speaker 3: was we had our first child and we were living

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Speaker 3: in Manhattan, we had to apply her to nursery school,

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Speaker 3: which is like applying to college. I wrote a really

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Speaker 3: jokey essay about like, you know, like she likes to

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Speaker 3: play with her ABC puzzle, but mostly she likes putting

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Speaker 3: all the pieces in a handbag and carrying it around

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Speaker 3: the house. And like I just I made it as much, like,

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Speaker 3: isn't this ridiculous? She got in, Yes, if you make

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Speaker 3: if you make a big joke out of it. She

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Speaker 3: got into like, you know, the only the only nursery

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Speaker 3: school we applied to, but that was really really hard

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Speaker 3: to get into. So nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, just for the record, it is

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Speaker 2: the American Museum of Natural History and it is thirteen hundred.

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Speaker 3: Per week, thirteen hundred a week. That is in sanity.

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Speaker 3: Why I was thinking eight hundred as a like extremely

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Speaker 3: high number that would be ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I would say, I get it that people

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Speaker 2: need childcare obviously, That's why people end up with kids

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Speaker 2: at YMCA camps. And actually I think day camps at

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Speaker 2: REX and nine yeah, probably are a lot of boredom,

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Speaker 2: Like they're not exactly totally planning that day either. But

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Speaker 2: there is so much to be said for kids having

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Speaker 2: unstructured time just goof off and they find so many

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Speaker 2: cool things to do. My kids this summer have started

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Speaker 2: with a friend in the neighborhood. They started playing like

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Speaker 2: a pirate themed game and now they've decided that they're

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Speaker 2: writing a book about pirates, but like they're the daughters

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Speaker 2: of pirates, and I actually think it's a pretty great concept.

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Speaker 2: And they've everyday with like little character studies and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: if I had them in camp, they would be doing this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, I fully on board. My kids live outside

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Speaker 3: most of the year. I totally love it, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: let them enjoy it, let them be kids, like just

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Speaker 3: all this structured stuff, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, that's part of it too. It's it's and it

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Speaker 2: makes parenting more fun because you are not you are

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Speaker 2: not killing yourself to shuttle your children from thing to thing,

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Speaker 2: and you might actually get organic, creative fun time with them, exactly,

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Speaker 2: and they're not burnt out and you're not as burnt out. Absolutely.

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